This is Not a Guilty Gear Strive Tier List
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- The Arc World Tour Finals are this weekend, so let's talk about the strengths and weaknesses of the current character roster.
streamed Mar. 8, 2023
0:00 I'll be commentating Arc World Tour Finals this weekend
0:10 Happy Chaos & Leo
1:44 Ramlethal, Nagoriyuki & May
3:17 Chipp
4:02 Jack-O'
5:28 Baiken & Testament
6:50 Bridget
8:27 Zato-1
9:52 Goldlewis
10:33 Giovanna
11:09 Axl
12:11 Faust
13:09 Millia
13:56 Sol
14:52 Anji
15:46 Ky
16:42 I-No
17:31 Potemkin
18:10 Sin
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They definitely want to keep Pot around where he is in strength. The balance team has a poster of AC Pot with a sticky note that says "Don't let it happen again."
They should have one patch where he's that powerful so Potemkin players understand why he needs to be restrained.
@@BobardeZanzibar they gave us the beta. We knew already how our days were numbered. Now we huddle around the fire for warmth forced to kara cancel for every meal. Times are bleak but our faith is armor-clad
*backdash pb*
@@peerlessvillain Backdash PB has existed since prehistoric times. That real evil of AC Pot was loopable Oki which could cover every option, and unblockable setups. Straight up villainous character. Heat Knuckle should NOT do that!!!!
so lame :(
This Is (Not) a Tier List
Guilty Gear Strive 1.25+1.0
Strive upon a time
The end of Strive
This is just a tribute.
Bruh this sajam lad knows the fkn match up for every character absolutely legend
its his job lmao
@@cycy8699 that’s true
@@cycy8699and he's great at it!
Even the dog at 0:26 is asking ArcSys for nerfs to them.
“Go off, King”
"Watch Sol just win this weekend."
Not just that Sol got 3rd and 1st place lol. Can't argue with consistency. With Gio at 2nd. They may be mid tier but they're still solid tournament picks.
It's so cool to me that all the characters are like reasonbly within striking distance of each other balance wise except for the 2 or 3 outliers on either end, hope that makes for some fun games.
Yep. The top tiers can be tough to fight, but I’d rather have buffs for the characters at the bottom
@@Stryfe52 Leo and HC definitely need to be knocked down a peg, just due to how obnoxious they can be at times, but yeah, buffs > nerfs.
@@AMnotQ Agreed with Happy, but Leo has generally seemed fine to me. Maybe that’s because I’ve rarely fought any good Leos.
Only other thing that really stands out to me is May’s dolphins feeling as bad as they did on release now. Sin could’ve used that buff.
@@Stryfe52 Leo is likely one of those characters that changes a lot based on what skill level the player is playing at. At highest level he just has a ton of good options to cycle through while being able to leverage his much higher defense, but they require a very good understanding of the game to use in an effective way. I'm not a high level player and don't face high level Leos, but every time I'm on defense against him I feel like I'm saying "thank god you don't know the nasty stuff", and I get out for free a lot of the time. Jonathan Tene has video talking about RPSing against Leo on defense and that gave me a pretty good impression of what he's actually capable of.
@@gwen9939 Makes sense, most Leos I fight are the kind that somehow manage to drop every other back-turned combo.
“Watch Mocchi just cook everyone” well that aged quite nicely :)
19:46 you called it, GOAT shit tbh
Sol Jamguy's faith never wavered.
Yea I agree that theoretically Leo shouldn't be top 2 but he seems to have the best consistency at a high level out if any character. HC is also really underrepresented given how ridiculous the character can be bug that's just because his misplays are a lot more unforgiving than most. Misinput with Chaos takes you from being plus 27 to minus 40 in the opponents face with counter hit state.
What I’m hearing at 1:40 is that Umisho won EVO because they had the power of love backing them up
Why did you phrase that weird
I understand the bit about some characters coming out a bit nuetered (or maybe uncoordinated may be better) because they were scared and then got more stuff later that rounded them out more when I think about how Gio wasn't able to act out of her dash for 9 or so frames on release. In retrospect that was pretty wild for her not to have since Gios dash is what makes her Gio. I'd be interested to hear what you think are the most character defining changes that have occurred so far.
Being a Pot main is knowing that the shadow government is against you
GL's biggest issue being matchups is definitely real, though I think one thing that separates him from Zato is that his wincon doesn't maintain itself after wallbreak. His post-wallbreak situation is weaker than most, while characters such as Zato, Ram, and Chipp get to maintain significant advantage on super wallbreak and have good tools to immediately start offense on regular wallbreak. This is also compounded by his high wall damage and BTs dealing wall damage on block.
This is a notable contributor to why he suffers in his bad matchups more than these characters might, since he will often have to get his game started more than once unless the opponent fucked up really badly.
Just bought this game this weekend and this vid is really helpful for getting a feel for the different character playstyles
insightful and/or thought provoking.. thank u sir
"Watch Sol win this weekend. Watch Mocchii just cook everybody."
And cook everybody he did.
19:45 The prophecy comes true!
Lmao I hadnt finished this vid last week before Arc Revo. I was finishing the last half while drinking coffee and almost spit it out when you said "watch Sol win this weekend" lmao
It's pretty cool to hear that every character is viable even if they have some issues. Makes this tournament really hype to see with character choices and match ups
Just got into this game on Xbox when it hit Gamepass. I can't stand the way the Online play works but I'm having fun overall. Gonna try and grind my way to the highest rank. I placed at floor 6.
im glad that it being added on gamepass gave a surge to the playerbase, welcome!
@@partmanparttree651 I gotta catch up but I'm gonna put the time in.
who are you maining / looking to main?
If it makes you feel better, i placed floor 6, completely new to fighting games, and mained pot. 6 months of playing on and off and I was floor 10 challenging celestial. Make sure to play a character you love and you'll be fine
@@zackabisheganaden6554 I'm using Ramlethal.
Haven’t played GG I think last time a bit when Bridget came in. I’m super happy to here my girl Jack-O is “Top 5” material. All my hardwork and bullshit shenanigans was worth it. I gotta get back on the grind… next patch lol
0:26 unironically the funniest moment in a sajam video
Pot players in shambles
jacko is as close as i can get to venom in strive, i am satisfied
Thanks for the (not) tier list, i will now use these opinions to justify my losses and short comings :D
European I-no player here. Often looking around the Europe lobbies, wondering why there aren’t other I-no players
Indeed. I play I-No too but interestingly I've noticed quite a few I-Nos in the NA park, although it may just have been one of those evenings when they all come out to play.
I wonder if the game rating her as hard to play (those damn 2 stars) has anything to do with new people not picking her up?
I play I-No in NA and I'm pretty much the only one I ever see
No one played I-no because she's a weird rush down character most people think of rush down as high low mix with maybe stagger pressure while I-no has some mix most of her play comes down from poking to get stagger pressure going. You have to think with her a lot.
Yh I dont think ive ever played the mirror on EU servers
I'd love to see a tournament not-a-tier list. It is how most(?) people interact with the game anyway (a few sets instead of long sets). I think this is why there is often disconnect between a person's perception of their character and their character on a tier list.
breaks my heart whenever someone says testament is a rare character. they're quite popular in my region and I hate fighting them....
What region are you?
@@fallonrishiva7841 Australia/New Zealand
I fought one in one of my first online matches it was pretty hectic
This aged well.
I just want beak driver to be a better option than kabari considering the resource management
The fact that baiken can rout pretty much any hit into a kabari hard knockdown/safejump/crossup setup has me seething as a sin main.
13:10 feel free to correct me if wrong but they changed his item rng a couple patches ago to stop getting bad items as often and how mini Faust procs
It wasn't that they were bad items. He just way too high of a chance of getting mid ones.
IIRC they made it so that you can't pull donut if there's already a donut on screen, and you can't pull a banana if there's already a banana on screen. They also made the banana have a chance of coming out as the peel. So definitely a little better, especially for snowballing with items or using his item supers, but if you're doing one toss on knockdown I don't think the RNG is any better than it was.
@@NickJJU I'm like 80% sure they made minifaust more common, so I think even single pulls benefit
Minifaust went from a good item to meteor-tier partystarter with that change. Recent buff to teleport hurtbox to prevent it from getting hit by the weight upgraded that item a lot too. His payout per item throw is much larger.
Finally decided to hardmain Millia recently and have the move experience in the Baiken matchup, I think that it might be slightly Baiken favorite but not by much. Millia cares less about parry than a lot of other character due to her strings being fairly tight, and Baiken is a pretty squishy character all things considered. The problem is Baiken has a lot of tools that make it much harder for Millia to gain space and HKD, like jHS, Youzansen (can function as crossup protection on weaker knockdowns, and both versions of Kabari (tho really it’s cause Millia can’t do shit in tether imo). Definitely not like a 6-4 tho
Additional caveat, Millia’s anti airs aren’t actually great in the Baiken matchup since 6p hits low and CS is one huge hurtbox, hence why jHS is problematic as the timing to hit it is less leniant than a Testament or Ky 6p for instance
So before I watch I wanna say that I have beaten the arcade mode at least once with every character ( No dlc characters yet bcuz noob ) and the ones I enjoyed the most were pot, Faust, zato and Leo but the one I did the best with was chipp. Gonna get happy chaos here soon
In hindsight, 19:45 in this vid is hilarious.
Imagine if Sin was a base roster character and his dlc spot was RAM
uh oh has the time truly come for sandwich man to take a bite?
Happy chaos players after losing real life concentration
That dog knows this is a tierlist
No, this is a tribute
give pot 5p that doesn't whiff on crouchers
Sol Badguy
i downloaded this from xbox game pass yesterday and i'm new, what characters are easy to pickup and play?
Gio, may, ramlethal, ky, baiken, nagoriyuki and testament
@@octozedI wouldn't put Nagoriyuki in that list. He isn't hard to play when you understand him, but just picking him up for a new player is gonna be a challenge.
That said, if ya like the character, give em a shot.
Most characters are easy enough to get a general idea of their gameplan so just pick who you like and you'll be able to make them work
Sol, Ky, Gio.
You'll get the most bang for your new buck.
Anyone saying Baiken or Nago are high. Fun characters for sure but characters that can literally lose the game in a single button press. Not conducive to learning a new game/genre.
IIRC from an early dev diary, Gio was intentionally designed to be easy to understand. She even has a passive mechanic that buffs you if you forget to use your meter.
Ram losing HKD is a big deal
I love Potemkin but his P buttons make me sad, fuckin' Goldlewis gets 2P Behemoth for a REALLY GOOD knockdown and Potemkin can't even turn a (non-counterhit) far slash into a BAD Knockdown...
2p behemoth does get a really good knockdown but I wish you the best of luck trying to defensively 2p decent opponents that understand that Goldlewis has a massive weakness in the form of fast low profile buttons, they don't even need to be really low profile just enough that spaced out 2p can't hit them.
2p is both a blessing and a curse to Goldlewis.
Pot definitely deserves a faster 2p though
@@roarkviolet1912 I do admit that I am being reductive, but being able to mash with inconsistent results is still preferable than not being able to mash at all.
Potemkin's P buttons just aren't theoretically good enough to justify them being balanced by ArcSys to be so bad in practice...
But alas, I shall stand by my boys side, till death do us part!
@@yosha101 Yeah Pots P buttons are incredibly unbalanced on purpose, in theory they don't want pot to be able to do what Goldlewis can do with his 2p aka convert into good Oki but that is inherently flawed logic because Pot dosen't have anything that can create that situation off of 2p/5p and I don't know if point blank 2p/5p goes into 6p HK which is still meh Oki.
Pots got the health to spare at least let him gamble it on defense for some reward and a chance to play the game, note that as a Goldlewis player I don't count BMF as a viable defensive option for Pot.
@@roarkviolet1912 Point Blank 5P 6P HK is true, but it scales HORRIBLY and resets Potemkin to neutral, which while it IS better than being stuck in the corner I'd say it's BARELY worth the risk. (Not to mention the situation this would come up most often, someone dashing up to Pot, is HORRIBLY inconsistent cause some characters go under 5P for some god forsaken reason)
The only other "real" defensive option Potemkin has is the liable to mess up Heavenly PRC which requires meter, execution, and might not even work!
All the Sol doomers looking real silly after yesterday
The good thing about tier lists is that its a good excuse to talk about each "thing" (character, faction, item, etc.) in a game separately, and hopefully in detail. Honestly if this video was a little more beginner friendly, it would be pretty good to show beginners to help them choose a main or understand the game.
I would personally compare Strive Ramlethal with early incarnations of Justice... good pokes, long range, rushdown potential, and lasers to respect.
Old justice was so stupidly strong she was banned from tournaments. I don’t know if this is the best comparison lol
@@tdwl2802 You sure? Ramlethal's pretty strong even by comparison. Also Reload Justice was pretty balanced compared to Accent Core Plus and Plus R incarnations.
@@MimebladeGMail Justice was only unbanned from competitive play from +r since she got reworked to be a moderately strong zoner rather than the god-of-all-trades boss character she previously was. Ram has never been overpowered enough to warrant a ban by contrast lol.
Potemkin top 1 next patch
I hope so cuz man it be rough sometimes
The drawing of sins finger in the character portrait is so fucked up
Can someone tell me what 'rps' means? Please?
Rock paper scissors
Thank you
Still don’t understand how people say Sol sucks. I feel like it’s just dooming over and over about nerfs. Honestly all the characters in the game feel like they got sauce.
Really far off with that prediction damn.
"Pot's buttons feel bad, and he's... intended to be where he's at" is truth.
His 5p doesn't hit Jack-O's drones, his Giganter Kai no longer counters (its good as a combo tool, but it didn't need to lose the counter), Heavenly has horrendous scaling and drops from the center instead of wall breaking, Anji and Milia (his previously positive matchups) have both gotten significantly buffed, Testament and Happy Chaos (two reasonable zoners) exist, Axl's buffed, red RC knocks up. There's no place for Pot in tournaments in GGST.
5P definitely hits Jack-O minions, just not from every angle
@@KingAfrica4 or when they're on the ground in front of you.
With giganter not being strike invincible any more his defense is so incredibly risky/flawed. 5p whiffs everything, 2p slow as molasses, HF armor is a crappy bargain bin dp. If the opponent isn’t in buster range every move they do is practically 3-4 frames safer
@@KingAfrica4 p
@@HellsFallenAngel1 that’s when you use 2p
Yeah I mean look at how bad testament was. Arbiter blew, far slash had so much recovery. Things just didn’t gel together. Sin will definitely get the same qol buffs
I find it hilarious that sajam riots so hard against millia and I-no doomers but then this vid (doesn’t) place Millia in what is (not) essentially low tier and I-no in what is (not) essentially bottom 3.
Yeah but clearly thinks the characters are balanced enough that everyone is viable. He plays Sin who according to this is (not) bottom 1. They're definitely not as strong as the rest of the cast but that certainly doesn't make them unplayable.
Somebody's gotta be the worst character in the game. That doesn't mean that they're as completely unplayable as some of the doomers think.
@@NickJJU I am one of those apparent doomers and have never ever considered them unplayable but I won’t lie and act like it didn’t bother me to essentially get made fun of and told I was an idiot for thinking millia struggled against a large portion of the cast and that I-no was incredibly hard to play. this isn’t a “boo-hoo my feelings got hurt” type of comment I’m trying to make but boy have I gotten a fair bit of heat for saying what he basically says in this video, and that frankly feels slightly validating but also a bit annoying.
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Aside from clickbaity title I'd call the video 'character overview/analysis' and I've enjoyed the free-form open-minded discussion this video provokes.
As an FGC commentator Sajam makes a valid point that in spite of lower 'perceived power level' and unfavourable match-ups some characters have decent tournament results.
Zato and Jack-O being a decent example of that due to their specific game plan, forcing opponents to react to their gimmicks.
All in all, I think that tier lists are often misused and don't provide enough insight on how does the character operates.
But they provide insight on community's perception of the game which can be used strategically.
TL DR
Don't blindly follow tier lists. Do your research. Make up your mind ;)
Typical Low-effort, click-bait, trend-chasing tier list.
Jk, this was dope.
Classic Sol downplay, saying he's still a perfectly solid pick with plenty of consistent strengths and universally powerful tools that force people to respect his options even when they're in the driver's seat! Sad, pathetic you're still trying to say this character sucks just because you're a fanboy!
This is a VERY Sol downplayer thing to say. Damn…
Idk, Happy Chaos and Leo.. I have dignity so I won't ever pick them up
I feel like Sajam just avoids using any pronouns for Testament even though they officially use they/them at this point
least chance to set off combative gamer chuds who are gonna cause trouble I guess? idk. might just be automatic and hes not thinking about it while talking.
Most of the time he doesn't use pronouns or refer to things as they
Most people on commentary these days do this (mostly to players they aren’t familiar with). I feel like it’s in order to be respectful in general but also to avoid distractions from the main topic (the matches) and shitflinging in comments regarding gender discourse.
@@CaptinSpyke I mean he uses female pronouns for Bridget so clearly he doesn't mind too much pissing off the gamer chuds
@@BananaMate They/them are just weird and impersonal sounding pronouns that don't feel specific or human. It's like if a black person asked you to call them the N word as their pronoun. You might know that doing so is making the person more comfortable, but that doesn't make saying it less uncomfortable.
Over time this will get easier for English speakers as it becomes more normalized and humanized as a way of refering to someone but for now I don't blame anyone for dancing around saying it.
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