Phil Johnson's Thoughts on Mormonism: Exclusive Q&A Session
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Phil Johnson (Executive Director of Grace To You - @gracetoyou and Pastor/Elder) answers several questions about Mormonism at the 2023 G3 Conference (@G3Ministries). Mormonism seems like "just another Christian denomination" on the surface-but the beliefs and teachings of the LDS Church are quite contrary to Christian beliefs and Biblical teaching.
In this interview with Phil Johnson, we ask questions like "Was the Trinity a product of pagan philosophy?" and "Can we trust our spiritual experiences to know what is true?"
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"The only thing that is absolutely trustworthy is the word of God." Amen! 💯
Man will always fail you. Look at the Catholics and their pope, look at the Mormons and their prophet, look at the Jehovah's Witnesses and their governing body. You will always be disappointed when you make man your god.
God quite literally went out of his way to specifically create a universe where he had to brutally genocide 99.9999% of all life on earth, and torture his own son worse than any being could ever be tortured
@@RSorkin 1. Irrelevant to the video.
2. So?
@@AustinD1646 1.) It’s relevant to your comment, that’s kinda the point
2.) So, i believe it is a terrible idea to say the only trustworthy thing in the entirety of the universe, is a being who actively goes out of his way to commit brutal genocide to thousands of races, and torture his own son worse than any being could ever be tortured.
Edit: Sorry, but i kinda felt like a lot of it was implied, notice how i basically repeated the same comment, just changed the wording so you could follow along
Please keep making these videos. When one takes a step back and just listens, they can see that these are done so respectfully and out of a love for Mormons.
It’s obvious that some people come here only to argue and be hostile without ever looking into what you say, but keep sharing the truth nonetheless.
Cool that you were able to get these interviews.
I’m posting early. All Mormons have to do is read John 1 and Jesus tells us who he is and the character of God.
Only problem is that when we translate John 1:1 correctly, and scholars, even many evangelival scholars, agree, then a correct translation of John 1:1 would be: "And the word was Deity"... and this actually is something in accordance to a old hebrew tradition, where someone takes on the title of someone else, acting in his name, for example we get this in Exodus 3 where the "Angel of the Lord" speaks as "the God of Israel", and we also have other people like Metatron that take on the titel of "Yaweh", which is why people confuse one with the other..
In Exodus 23 we have the "name of the Lord in him", refering to the Angel of the Lord, where the Angeld of the Lord can even forgive since (as did the Apostles of Christ)..
So, Mormons do read John 1:1, but it seems that how LDS would define it is currently more supported by the academic consensus on that matter..
Lol, that’s like saying all you have to do is read James to know faith with works are required.
@@Kapayapaanman you sound like a Mormon. If you do not know the son, how could you know the father?…..
@@kevinhullinger8743just coming to support you with saying that even if the supposed “correct” translation of John 1:1 was true (seen this comment on recent videos as well), there’s only one deity in Judaism/Christianity, so that changes absolutely nothing. Interestingly enough, the JWs changed it to be “a god.” All we have to do is look at what Joseph Smith changed John 1:1 to read to show the significance of what it shows, as well as his falsehood.
Plenty of people have made videos responding to these other points such as the angel of the Lord and James 2. So it’s evident that only one side is favored and there hasn’t been any attempt to listen to the responses, as is displayed with such blanket statements of things like “scholars agree…”
InspiringPhilosophy recently said something along the lines of, “Did you even try to listen to what the other side said?”
@@Kapayapaanmanso what work or works did the thief on the cross do when JESUS told him he would be in paradise this day. Also read Eph.2:8-10. I hope this helps
You said that God is a spirit and the spirit has no flesh and bones. But I believe it says in the Bible God created us in his image please explain thank you
No worries, BOM is pure fiction, and The Bible is a largely fictional tome.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
The key phrase here being "That the man of God may be perfect." Your problem is thinking that scripture makes one a man of God. One must first be a man of God. Then the scriptures are profitable.
As for false prophecy, that depends on interpretation. Many prophecies from thousands of years ago are yet to come to fruition. Does that make the Prophets false? And even Jesus Christ said that to believe in him, one wouldn't die. Yet he, his Apostles, and all his followers have died. Does that make Jesus a false savior? Of course not. It all goes to our understanding or comprehension of the meaning of the scripture or prophecy. Sometimes counsel is perceived as prophecy. There are many excuses to reject the entire matter of God if that is your aim to do. It is easy.
John 4 says "God is spirit" how do you guys tell people it says? "God is A spirit" 😂😂😂😂. So much for believing the bible for what it says.
John 4:22-26
[22] You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. [23] But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. [24] God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” [25] The woman said to him, “I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ). When he comes, he will tell us all things.” [26] Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am he.” (ESV)
@@BrendonKing that backs up what I said 😂. Thank you.
@@outof_obscurity then clearly you cannot read.
@@BrendonKing I said John 4 says "God is spirit" not "God is A spirit" and you posted the verse. And the verse said exactly what I said it said. That's confirming what I said. I can read just fine 😂
The idea that “scripture is true because it says it’s true” is laughable at best.
The Bible, it self begins with two contradictory stories of the creation, written by different people at different times, and yet there are people that actually believe that every word of the Bible is written by God.
The guy in this video is doing nothing more than attempting to structure power over people who he believes to be in the wrong because they’ve come to a different conclusion.
If presented in a court of law, the Evangelical perspective would be eviscerated, based on the actual scholarship and the texts of the Bible. Almost all religions pick and choose their preferred perspective, and evangelicals are no different. So quite trying to pretend you are somehow different.
“scripture is true because it says it’s true” Can't an ultimate authority for truth say so?
The 2nd story of creation is a partial rehash with more detail.
The Bible is the only revealed history that actually starts from the beginning.
We don't even have other idolatrous belief systems starting until several hundred years after the tower of Babel.
"If presented in a court of law" Jesus was presented in a court of law, was unjustly condemned, He died, was buried and rose from the grave.
Your court case is next, the wages of sin is death.
Repent and trust Jesus and your rebellion will be forgiven.
@@AdamsTaiwanAn "ultimate authority for truth" can claim to be an ultimate authority... But so can a scammer. So can a book of falsehood, and that's why it's not enough to read the Bible and take it as true simply because it declares itself so.
The Bible states that the cure for leprosy is the blood of pigeons. Do you trust that remedy over modern antibiotics?
@@maxxam3590Jesus Christ said to search the scriptures to see if what he was saying was true.
Where does the Bible say that the cure for leprosy is the blood of pigeons?
@@AdamsTaiwan but the ultimate authority didn’t say so, other people “said so” and ascribed it to an authority figure.
So if the wages of sin is death, then we all die, as nobody is free of sin. Your own judgment is counted as sin.
@@Elizabeth-rk3do Leviticus 14:1-57
It's a ritual of "cleansing", which as you can imagine, makes the situation worse for a recently recovered patient. No one who is recovering should be taking part on a ritual where pigeon blood is used. And why won't the Bible even mention antibiotics?
The Bible is hostorically, scientifically and morally wrong. The fact that it endorses slavery alone should be proof enough of how wrong it is.
So mad! To think, others have different opinions and beliefs. Lol. Hey everyone, my interpretation is better than your interpretation.
Yes, everyone has different opinions, beliefs, and interpretations...but that doesn't mean that everyone's is equally valid or correct. The question - "what belief corresponds with reality" is important to ask.
A lot of people don't know that Scholars overwhelmingly agree that throughout the entire history of the Bible God was understood to have a physical body and most Scholars also think that prior to around the 8th or 7th Century BCE God also had a wife...
Also we got Exodus 3:11:
"And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend"...
Which scholars?
@@gtf5392 Oh there are many, like I said, once you take a closer look it becomes evident that the majority of scholars agree on this.. Here are some that have written some good books about the topic (I left out the book titles for now because I dont want to advertsise their books, but all of them have writen on that specific topic)..
... and of course there are many more
- Professor Francesca Stavrakopoulou
- R. Renehan
- Esther j. Hamori
- Andreas Wagner
- Benjamin Sommer
- Christoph Markschies
- Brtiaany E. Wilson
Once we look into the original texts, and how things were seen back in the Old Testament times, we see that the notion 1. that there actually is a dichotomy between physical and spirit in the sense that spiritial is meant to mean „not being physical“, is anachronistic within the Hebrew Bible because it actually originates from Greek philosophical frameworks and was not part of the worldview that the biblical authors had intil the Greco-Roman period. In other wods, prior to that, spirit was considered to actually be physical, just in a more refined, pure and everlasting way.
Scriptures like Genesis 32:30, or Exodus 33:11 can only be explained away when we presupposed univocality of the entire Bible, and decide that because John agrees with John, a Moses or a Jacob has to be false in their statement.
@@SimonDaumMusicThe true and living God the Father is invisible and a spirit. I Timothy 1:17; Colossians 1:15; Hebrews 11:27;
Unlike pagan gods, the true and living God is not married. God created Adam out of the dust of the ground and Eve out of Adam's rib, no wife needed! God is self-existent. God does not need food, air, water, clothing, shelter, sleep, sex, or anything else a mere created being might need.
The true and living God offers forgiveness of sins, salvation, eternal life, and exaltation for free if you are interested. That is how much God loves everyone! ❤️
@@SimonDaumMusic name one that is unanimously accepted.
@@BrendonKing There is no such thing as a scholar that is unanimously accepted by everyone simply for the fact that you will always have scholars and followers with their own agenda.. This is why we are only left with first, to look at what the majority of scholars agree on, and second, to seek out scholars that have proven to care more about truth than to make their own dogma work. And so the claim that Yaweh was believed to have had a body and a wife is common consensus amongst most scholars that have proven to care more about truth and facts than about making anyones worldview work..
So if we take this as a standart, look at the facts we have, be willing to let truth speak for itself, then there is no way anyone can deny or bend away that Yaweh was believed to have had a body and a wife in the more ancient days...
So instead of seeking something that is unrealistic, meaning a scholar everyone will unanimously accept, just study all these things without the presupposed believe of ones own, inerratn interpretation of the Bible, because as long as people never give any room to the possibility that things may actually be a little differen than ones own worldview, they would not even accept if every scholar would perfectly agree on this, because this is what the inerrandy of the Bible (or rather ones own iinerrant interpretation of the Bible) is all about, nothing and noone can falsify ones own interpretation and therefore there is not evejn any need to engage with things outside this own narrative.
The names and books I listed give enough evidence that can be checked and tested.. either people are willing to seek out truth as it presents itself, or they wont, it is nothing anyone can force upon another person.
You have the scriptures but seem to be good at twisting them. You proof text them to fit the conversation at hand, but those scriptures you use weren't holding the same conversation.
The only thing that actually matters about Joseph is the original revelation he received. The first vision of the father and son telling him they were going to rebuild their church through him. Everything else after was either of God or of the devil.
So do critical thinking about the first vision. All four accounts say he read the bible which said if he asked he would receive, if he lacked wisdom he could ask God. So he went to do that. He said the father and son appeared to him and told him his sins were forgiven and he would help rebuild the church. You say that was of the devil? Think about that for that to even be possible it would mean you have to disbelieve Jesus when he said you'd receive, you'd have to claim James a false apostle. You'd have to believe Satan is more powerful than the father and that he could intercept that prayer, stop God from hearing it, then appear as the father and son to lead him to Jesus to lead him away from Jesus. Jesus said his sins were forgiven, so now you have to agree with the Pharisees who said Jesus was casting out the devil by the power of the devil. And even if I leave the saints to join your church you'd have to be consistent and tell me Satan is still more powerful than the father and can intercept my prayers in your church too. So if God cannot guarantee answering our prayers how can he guarantee our salvation?
Do you see how fast your position falls apart about this case?
So I'll ask again was that a vision of God or of the devil?
Are you willing to do that? Are you willing to throw the bible out, claim Jesus was casting out devils by the power of the devil, and teach Satan is more powerful than the father? Because that's where you stand right now if you double down that was a vision of the devil. So are you willing to do that? Or are you willing to trust God instead of this false teacher?
Everything you’re saying presupposes that Joseph Smith actually had the vision, of which there are 9 differing accounts, not 4. The 1832 account written in his own diary tells a different story and was kept hidden for a long time, and was actually ripped out and taped back in. We’re not talking about different eye witnesses emphasizing different details. This is one person who keeps changing their story-which we call lying. So I’m inclined to believe he just made it up.
James 1:5 is to fellow believers for them to pray about what to do during trials and tribulation. It has nothing to do with praying about truth claims. So Joseph Smith already misapplied it to begin with.
The difference between his vision and Jesus with the Pharisees is that Jesus was actually physically there performing miracles in front of many people. All we have from Joseph Smith is a supposed vision from years before he told anyone. He could make them say whatever he wants in his story. This is like his “prophecy” that people would hate him and speak poorly of him. How convenient that he would share this “prophecy” in 1837 when he was already well known and sending missionaries into Canada. Same with the “prophecy” he added about himself into his “translation” of the Bible. All we have is a book published by Joseph Smith in 1830 that contains a prophecy that he would publish a book in 1830. Again, how convenient.
So no, nobody is saying the devil has more power.
Your argument seems to really lean heavily on the assumption that Joseph Smith really prayed which church to join. You seem to think that if he really prayed that prayer, then the Father and Son *must* have physically manifested themselves to him and instructed him on how to reboot their church--the only other possible explanation is that the devil "intercepted" Joseph's prayer.
Do you apply that to other people in history as well?
I mean, Joseph's first vision supposedly took place in 1820. That's 1400 years at least since the true church died, according to Mormonism. How many people in that 1400 year time span do you think prayed asking God for help discerning religious truth? (The 1500s-era English poet and preacher John Donne is a good example; see his Holy Sonnets.) Did the Father and Son physically manifest to each of them? If not, does that mean that Satan must have "intercepted" *their* prayers? Why weren't men like that chosen to be the new prophet of the last dispensation, if they asked for wisdom from God about which church to join?
My answer is that God is satisfied with the clarity of His word. He has every freedom to manifest Himself to whoever He wants to, whenever He wants to, but His normal attitude seems to be: "I've already commented on this issue in My Word; go read it." That's how Jesus argued whenever he touched on a contemporary controversy: "Have you not read what is written...?"
You also bring up the fact that you feel that to reject Mormonism is to say that the devil is more powerful than God. I actually think the opposite is true: that as long as you believe that the church spent 1400 years comatose, and there was no true church on the earth, that makes God look incredibly weak--especially since he promised he would keep his church (Matthew 13, Matthew 16, John 10). I say God keeps His church--but also lets falsehoods grow up from time to time because people lie for personal gain--about God as well as about almost anything else.
@@Liberator54321 if he didn't have the vision then there is no God, or if he lied then the devil is the father of lies and it would be of the devil anyways.
So yes you have to admit you think Satan is more powerful than God and intercepted that prayer and answered it for him. Be honest and admit you don't actually believe the bible.
James 1:5 says "if any of you lack wisdom ask of God... And it SHALL BE GIVEN HIM" Jesus in John said "whstsoever you ask the father in my name it shall be given you".
So just admit you're a false minister leading people to a false conversion and you don't believe the bible because it goes against your financial agenda.
@@BardOfShwa never seen evidence of people asking God for that information. Also was the USA organized and religious freedom available to actually rebuild the church?
If that vision actually happened then that means you have the scriptures but don't understand them. Also the history doesn't even support your interpretation of those scriptures. Why aren't you catholic? Because there was an apostasy 😂
then just admit you think Satan is more powerful than the father, and admit you don't actually believe the bible like you claim. You're a false minister leading people to a false conversion.
Admit to all the flaws I mentioned earlier.
@@outof_obscurity What? Haha. That’s a false dichotomy. There is a third option-Joseph Smith just lied and God is real. This in no way makes the devil more powerful. My point was that I don’t think Joseph Smith actually prayed that and went out into the woods. I’m saying I think he made it up years later and just said he did that, similar to his other “revelations” and “prophecies.”
That’s what James 1:5 says, yes. And the context is to fellow believers about what to do during trials and tribulations. It’s not about truth claims.
I don’t make any money from any kind of ministry. Many assumptions and accusations from you.
Imagine dedicating an entire channel to opposing Mormonism (or anyone’s belief!) 😂
The Mormon movement must be a real threat to the collection plate 💰of religionists. Had to make up for it with clicks and likes. Very “Biblical” of you. Your god must be proud.
Why we would spend time opposing Mormonism -
Because we believe that the LDS church teaches (to use a Biblical phrase) the "doctrine of demons," a Gospel that stands contrary to the work of Christ and contrary to God's revelation in Scripture.
That means that whoever follows such teachings are "severed from Christ" and subject to the wrath of God. We WANT our neighbors to come to a knowledge of the truth and be saved from the wrath to come. We do NOT desire for them to die and be subject to wrath on the day of judgment on account of deceptions and false teachings...and so it's worth confronting these things for the sake of the souls of our LDS friends, family, and neighbors.
We don't do this to earn money, but to "save others by snatching them out of the fire" (Jude 23).
Paul says that part of the roll of the "Lord's servant" is to "correct his opponents with gentleness [that] God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth." (2 Tim. 2:24-26), and Jude commands us to "contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints."
God desires that every man should reach true repentance, and that all should know the true Gospel of grace and mercy through Christ...we desire the same things for our LDS friends, who we believe to be cut off from Christ.
You do understand that Joseph Smith started with that very premise to create the LDS church - that all existing forms/denominations of Christianity are corrupt and false? It seems only fair to hold these claims to the fire and examine them in light of historic Christianity and the Bible.
My God didn't spend tithing to build a high-end shopping mall in Salt Lake. Those in glass houses.
You know it's all mythology, right?
Keep on telling yourself that. One day you might actually believe it.
@@BrendonKing And what exactly would make me believe it? This is mythology, whether you like it or not.
That's what I used to say, that it's mythology. Then I read the Bible over and over. How many times did you read the Bible before you concluded it's mythology??? Oh, man! You are missing out on the most beautiful thing in life (and after this life).
@@How.To.Get.Saved. I started reading the Bible in 1988, and worked for two christian book stores and one christian publishing house. Fun fact about that publishing house, my older brother still works there, so I still visit maybe twice per year. How many times I've read it? Hard to say exactly. Cover to cover, I think twice. But if you add up every time I've read it focusing on each individual passage, I've read it several times.
How exactly am I "missing out on the most beautiful thing in life"?
@@maxxam3590 God is the most beautiful thing in life, but I suppose not for you. It's possible to read the Bible and not come to know Him. I mean there's Bart Ehrman. Gosh, I hope you don't give up. Thanks for replying.😊