You realize the people making the porn he wanted to look at are monsters too, right? This world is screwed up. How many other Rex Heuermanns are out there?
No we know he searched for these things but we don't know if he actually found what he was looking for These are just searches keep in mind however Whoever makes Anything close to what he is looking for is disturbed Stuff like that should not even be available
@@matthewpitre8159 I couldn't agree more. It's a bit shocking to me that common sense is ignored and the worst of society are allowed to roam the most degrading sites out there.
@@matthewpitre8159 yo I can't even imagine typing the words and what the heck would come up on G alone. I don't even want young folks to see this comment smh
He's fixated on that ,makes me wonder could he have killed when his father died? He was 11 maybe he killed a 10 year old and was searching to see if they ever found her??
LOL. 99% of white guys like petite small women ,Spinner if you will. anything more than 100 is fat and hated . The weird thing is that a lot underage girls are being molested , but mothers are looking the other way. there is a huge Problem that is becoming open because of old school white men feel that they are losing Power and Control.
This guy started killing long before the early 2000’s and he didn’t abruptly stop 13 years ago either. The woman Grace spoke to was spot on. These sickos don’t just stop.
Yeah, I think so, too. Especially with him looking up all of those Google searches about 10-year-old girls. His father died when he was 12-ish. My guess is he started like Bundy who started and finished with 13-year-old girls.
I absolutely HATE that there are so many results for each of those searches!! He might be caught but how many other pathetic, vile, perverted creatures are fantasising & searching right now? 😳
I could get sick after hearing of his Google searches. I can’t believe people think of such stuff!!! That’s so scary and the sad part is you know there is more and will be more killers out there and in future. Makes me sad and scared for my own child in this world. So scary
I have 3 daughters, and now 2 little grandsons. When I tell you that I pray EVERY day! You have to pray and trust in how you’re raising or have raised them well and knowing how to make GOOD decisions…and enjoy peace in that knowing.
No telling how far this guy went or how many people he has killed. Sounds like his interests were as sick as it can get with all those searches regarding children, abuse, and sex. Not only is he a sick bastard but what about all the people making these types of videos? They need to be found and prosecuted. Your guest was right about the part-time comment. You two are a great team.
Internet search is how homeland security busted my brother ..he got 7 years in prison. Just for having the downloads… why didn’t they catch this monster sooner????????
He searched for “active” serial killers. He’s never stopped. He searched for a twink - could that explain the male victim??? Thank you Nancy! Huge fan!
I think he murdered the male by " accident " if you know what i mean. He thought he hired a female but got a trans. He murdered him after finding his surprise. Now he searches twinks and trannys to reminisce his exciting experience. Basically saying that he never intended to murder a male or twink. It just happened, resulting in a new weird secret fetish. JMO...
He’s been murdering for at least 30 yrs.Grandpa’s belt has somethg to do w/ his thoughts of GrPa. No one takes a passed on gift from a dead relative-& uses it in a crime unless it has an emotional & deep connection w/ that person.Q: What did Grandpa do to REX?
@@aj529 I think we have an idea when someone is a bit different but I never think someone could be a serial murderer! Especially the LI murderer. I don’t know how they found him. Pizza DNA. How? When? 🤷♀️
The “10 year old school girl” search…he needs to be investigated for every child sexual assault and child death in the tri-state area. If he has any family members that are 10yrs old or around, they need to be interviewed. Disgusting man. I hope all his victims receive justice.
We don’t sleep peacefully that’s for sure. I can still picture vividly in my mind and can describe every single detail of every scene and evidence. Between me and my husband one of us will have a vivid nightmare at least twice a week or more. It’s the trauma displayed on a victims face that’s haunting along with the descriptive atrocities that happened to them. What makes it worse is many DA’s rather plea which releases these offenders early to only do it all over again.
His fascination with 10 year olds might be why he picked his victims. I heard they were all very tiny. I’m so glad they found him. I feel so sorry for all these families. My heart hurts for them.
True, and LA would have been waaay more invested in missing children than some "h00kers". The fact that he managed to get away with these acts, despite being investigated, in a time when surveillance cameras were around, is a condemnation of law enforcement.
I know the daughter of one of the 4 . He called her from her mothers phone. She was 7 years old. She’s been afraid to go anywhere alone ever since. We know now he’s been stalking her online to this day and has a time share near us. We tried to tell her her fears were unwarranted. We were wrong.
I think he knew if he did that to kids it would bring a different kind of search for him that he didn’t want! He picked his victims because they was living a high risk lifestyle and he could get them alone for money
I have worked as a Prison Nurse before…. Sometimes I Think Prison is a worse Punishment then the death penalty. I do feel the death penalty should always be available for premeditated murder and sex crimes against children. Death Penalty or life in prison.
@@elaineisabelle427 nah, he's a huge imposing guy (albeit not young) and they won't care he kiIIed prost...utes, ones over I8. A lot of psychopaths thrive in prison as they are masters at adaption. It's possible, HE may be the v!ctimizer there. If you were talking about some small, fraiI guy who is in there for possessing chiId porn or even dittIing a chiId, then yes, but the circumstances here are different . We want so bad to believe the worst will "pay" for their krimes in there, but that's not always the case, unfortunately. * excuse the mispeIIings, certain worrds will get this comment sensored.
This sick puppy is going to have a lot of other victims, just follow the Pizza crust crumbs and get ready for a 20 part Netflix series explaining his evil double life that's certainly getting more complex day by day
This nation needs a serious discussion about violent "porn" maybe begin by giving it a new name. As a woman, this poison is an ever present threat to my well being.
I love what a great mother Nancy Grace is. Every time she talks about her twins she lights up. Fighting crime. She is awesome. I'm so glad they finally caught the LISK.
With that search history, he absolutely never stopped killing. His searches seems to be an attempt to curve his desires and wants. Remember BTK was very similar to this man, it’s just been a long time since we’ve, fortunately, had a BTK. Scary stuff.
actually he could . he chose small girls put bag in suitcase. but i’m sure mosyku home because most of these girls have men around and he’s too vulnerable
Nancy, I love your take on these crimes and I love that you don't give a crap what others think. Only thing I am sad about is there isn't the death penalty across the nation.
@@annwalsh8079 I can certainly see your point, ladies. Unfortunately, it may not be so in this case, but in so many cases, the wrong person is accused and convicted. There have been many of these cases in the past, only because some overly enthusiastic prosecutor or police chief wants to close the case very quickly. This is because they have a huge load of cases, or, sometimes, so much media pressure to find their perpetrator.
Hey Nancy, I have followed your shows for the last 2 decades, just wanna thank you soooo much. Your awesome! Now, this guy is sick and he never stopped and probably never would have. God only knows how many people he really killed through out his whole pathetic life. I would like to state my opinion on this matter. Our Justice system and legislative laws must change for criminals such as serial killers. There needs to be swift and harsh punishment, otherwise these sick F@$ks will keep doing it. This has been going on for way too long!! There must be a better deterrent intact. My thoughts and prayers to all the victims families.
I agree that the system needs to be changed. People need to stand up and fight for better legislation, such as longer sentences for repeat violent offenders. While NY has no death penalty, he may have also crossed state lines or comitted other federal crimes, potentially with harsher punishments.
I think they must have to work up to it, by repeatedly choosing every evil option over the right one, over and over until they have no conscience and it feels "normal" to them.
Thats sad.,.they hav to bear this ..will hav 2 change their lives ,big time..their world is gone,as they knew it..change names....but parents of victims,hell thry hav been thru..curious,where did the doll come from,in basement..
I couldn’t imagine, helps at the wife is going to be when she finds out her hairs were on the bodies to. And then to find out about his search history. He destroyed their lives.
Google should be alerting the police/FBI any time anyone searches for those things. Why isn’t this already happening?! What’s even worse is that he probably found tons of videos when he did those searches. I hate this disgusting, awful world. Sending love and support to the victims and their poor families.
I knew I could get the best information from you and Sheryl!! Thank y’all so! If his wife is from Iceland, did he travel there too? Bodies might be there! I’m listening to you , Nancy , for all of the updates!
Nancy you're awesome. Watching your show makes me feel like I'm not crazy! I also vacuum every single day we have 3 dogs and a cat, there is fur in every single inch of this household and no matter how hard I try to clean it, it is always there. You're a great mother, daughter and wife !
I hope this is a death penalty case. Shannan Gilbert, rest in peace, blew this thing wide open by calling and screaming for help. What I don't understand is anyone who was shocked by this. I would not have gotten into an empty elevator with this guy. He's terrifying-looking.
@@LFranklya the ones that suspected something thought their husbands were having affairs. This one really didn’t provide much for his family. I understand the wife had to apply for food stamps. Not 💯 about that but one of the news channels mentioned it after she applied for divorce.
Borderline victim blaming. Anyone that is at all familiar with serial killer's know they are excellent at the ability to compartmentalize. Often loved ones and spouses have no clue. They think they are cheating at the most. Smh, it's 2023, not 1965. Stop blaming the family they are victims too.
Oh yes! If he’s buying a burner phone in 2023 There’s no way he stopped. There’s definitely more victims. It’s only a matter of time. What a sick twisted evil monster. Those searches make me sick also. 🤮
I agree. I HIGHLY doubt he just stopped killing. Like he woke up one day and was just no longer a homicidal psychopath?! Also what do you think are the odds those were his first ones? I'm not buying that either. He's what 58-59. I don't believe he just woke up one day 10 years ago as one either If this man has lived, visited, went to school somewhere else they need to start looking. We all know that's not how it works He's narcissistic, cocky, and vile. The way he calls the families he wants chased he wants people talking about him. Wondering. He's sadistic. Calculating. I doubt calling the families was enough to satiate his needs. It wouldn't shock me if he kept track of their families. Watched them at times. Those poor families. My heart breaks for the lost of precious young woman. I hope for them, this brings a small amount of justice to them and little bit of peace
He’s been murdering for at least 30 yrs.Grandpa’s belt has somethg to do w/ his thoughts of GrPa. No one takes a passed on gift from a dead relative-& uses it in a crime unless it has an emotional & deep connection w/ that person.Q: What did Grandpa do to REX?
He is a sadist... both to his victims and to just people he deals with in general. If the opportunity presents itself to be able to abuse, irritate, aggravate, scare, terrorize... does not matter just so long as it gets a rise out of the person, he will go for it.
This man almost 60yrs old absolutely 💯 Agreed this sick mofo has been killing at least 30-40yrs now i hope they find more girls that families been looking for yrs n yrs hopefully can find answers soon but hopefully they go back to where he grew up to the spot he got arrested cuz young girls n women went missing wherever he lived!!!!!
Absolutely. He’s been murdering for at least 30 yrs.Grandpa’s belt has somethg to do w/ his thoughts of GrPa. No one takes a passed on gift from a dead relative-& uses it in a crime unless it has an emotional & deep connection w/ that person.Q: What did Grandpa do to REX?
@@orangepeel3465 He probably got his ass beat with a belt but so did a lot of us I'm close to his age and sure haven't killed anyone over it your passionate over this you should of been a detective much needed for this very type of stuff and yes he's been doing goofy things to woman no doubt since he was very young ppl he hung around with or relatives gonna be popping up or even a survivor maybe give us all more details on this dude here he's a classic nut job..... I've been busy with the girl who faked her kidnapping the Alabama girl who went missing 2 nights she definitely been messing around with another man is what I think we know after the highway she made it to Target for snacks brought em to the Red Roof Inn than walks home when she realized the whole nation out looking for her no mention of suspects nor a toddler she planned it not well but planned it so I was caught up on that but I will be looking into any and all info on this guy I live in Pa. not far away from the marsch land where bodies found and have friends on Long Island so ty have a great day any suggestions I should watch plz lmk❤️❤️
Like my Mama and Granny ( God rest their souls) would always say, "You can be highly intelligent and STILL be dumb as a box of rocks." This dude is just that. Period. 🙄🤦🏾♀️ I'm so glad he's been caught!
Nancy he didn’t start doing this when he was 45 years old! Your suspicions are right! God, I can only imagine what his family is going through! His wife’s hair is literally on one of the bodies. Sick bastard! Also, one of the young women he worked with said he left a creepy message on her phone! If I was her, I would be terrified right now.
He’s been murdering for at least 30 yrs.Grandpa’s belt has somethg to do w/ his thoughts of GrPa. No one takes a passed on gift from a dead relative-& uses it in a crime unless it has an emotional & deep connection w/ that person.Q: What did Grandpa do to REX?
The moment you mentioned the cat scratch post, knew that the suspect had to be nailed. Coming from someone who also took in a black stray kitten, now a big boy, and many years of different cats and dogs, there is no way he didn’t transfer fur to the crime scene. 🐈⬛
Yes she has come forward recently and nobody is talking about it the fact that he was in the woods just popping out following her and asking her all sorts of weird questions she even had to Questions like you come here often? I like get a new pick up line! Apparently he was also covered in dirt also he Had got a ride from 1 of his coworkers home 1 night on a dessolate Stretch of road He started talking to her about the killings And said I wonder why he used burlap she Is obviously creeped right out about that
Nancy, you rock. Thank you SO much for being the voice for us. All of us, especially women. Going after the scumbags that wreck society and harm others. Bless you! Sherry
I would like to know if his wife and children were fearful of him. And if there are any survivors who escaped him, but who have been too fearful or humiliated to tell their story?
Good questions Agnetha. I haven't heard much about his wife, but the neighbors said she was quiet. They said when his wife would leave for the weekend, he was taking hookers to the house and screwing them. I'm thinking they might find alot of dna evidence inside that home. Do you believe there are more victims than just these 4?
I believe there are more victims, and I don't believe he brought them all to his home. As an architect, he could have literally designed hidey-holes in buildings that nobody would know about. He dealt with obscure building codes, so he could have told owners they were required to wall off a space, etc. Plus, he would have known about construction sites, when cement might be poured, when they were not being worked on, etc. If they are able to tie in more victims, investigators will need to go over his building projects, very carefully searching for bodies. The doll aspect is so very creepy, and I believe he was one twisted and sick individual. They say that sex and porn addicts are always searching for new things to consume or try, moving to the more and more extreme, such as pedophilia and snuff. The dolls make me think he may have been trying to live out unrealistic fantasies. Also, he may have dressed up his victims just as one would a doll. The wife's hair may have come from him using her hairbrush or clothes, etc. Plus, duct tape is sticky even when it's still rolled up, so if he had it in the home it would have picked up all kinds of things. I hope they are not going to find even sicker things, such as souvenirs or remains used to dress dolls, etc. Sending out live and light, for the world surely needs it right now. RIP ladies ❤
He wasn’t as smart as he thought he was, now was he?! He thought he was following them so closely, when in fact they were following him! Even BK knew he was being followed! He literally wore gloves and took his trash to the neighbors house!🤣
I think you are spot on Ms. Grace about being even more murders to this scum. I can’t believe he woke up one day in his 40’s and decided he was going to comit murder.
Thank you Nancy for reporting this story, you are the best advocate for these poor girls! More of these nightmares need to be out there for all to know, education for young girls, people in general💕
I'd search for un accounted dead space in his house or any building he had at his disposal. For hidden storage.behind bookcases or movable objects .He is an architect. False wall spaces.
That list of searches you read off and I'm sure it's just the icing on the cake really tells a story of how depraved society is. Scary question is how many of us probably know someone seemingly normal that fit this bill. So disturbing
This must go past other states, i think this case is going to be very complex and could take years. Doesn't he even have a hunting licence for Alaska and numerous properties in different states, like, South Carolina and some others and don't even get me started on them internet web searches they're so sick and twisted its unreal, it gives me chills
Nancy I agree about the different states. I myself am Canadian from QC and I spend most of my summer in the north east US. Your states are so closely connected up there, I really wouldn’t be surprised if he is linked to other similar murders of marginalized women and trans women in those areas. Much love- keep doing good work!! ❤
He obviously had to move the dump site. And he has been to that country where his wife is always going to and I almost guarantee that he has victims over there. One freaking crazy part of the death of Shannon Gilbert is that he was able to direct her to his dump site without having to snatch her and take her home and bring her back to the dump site. He was getting that good.
It’s possible she could have thought he was having a affair but unless he had harmed her at some point I don’t think murder would have occurred to her.
@@Juanitajam so you believe Murderer/Serial Killer would have crossed her mind? The average normal person doesn’t think that way. She honestly might have believed she knew her husband well. She found out she didn’t. BTK’s wife and children were abused at least mentally by him but none ever considered SK to be in his nature. Keith Hunter Jesperson the family knew he was different but not sure SK crossed their minds until much later. There are others too. She not the first wife of a SK who really didn’t know. Seriously doubt she’ll be the last.
The wife is from Iceland and was always traveling from the USA to her homeland. And she has a special needs son from a previous relationship. She probably wasn’t paying attention.
Part of the thrill is getting away with it, it is only logical. The profiles of the victims seem to me, to reflect his partners/wives, at the time. Often the best behavior is with family and work, and I'd look at missing people in his teens near where he was at the time. The whole timeline needs to be done...
I been waiting for nancy grace to drop the video on this case!!! One of the craziest cases.. so many freaking details.. so much sketchy things… so many storylines just EVERYTHING… we need justice for ALL the victims!!! Whether big belly creep did it all or if there is another killer out there… i just hope we get justice for Shannon Gilbert and ALL the others There actually is DP in New York but only for serious federal crimes.. so if this turns federal, then its possible.. someone is on a DP trial right now in New York
With all his sick thoughts... The sick thought is that he had a daughter and a wife... What kind of sick thoughts did he have about them... Living in deceit... They must be sick to their stomach living thru this.
His searches got to be unbearable 😢😮 his mind is like one of a reptile. He lives off the fear and carnage of others that were defenseless. He is a nasty ogre human hybrid reptile. The sad part is, he isn't alone.
You realize the people making the porn he wanted to look at are monsters too, right? This world is screwed up. How many other Rex Heuermanns are out there?
No we know he searched for these things but we don't know if he actually found what he was looking for These are just searches keep in mind however Whoever makes Anything close to what he is looking for is disturbed Stuff like that should not even be available
Too
Many and the scum bags that watch CSAm are just as bad .
Many
@@matthewpitre8159 I couldn't agree more. It's a bit shocking to me that common sense is ignored and the worst of society are allowed to roam the most degrading sites out there.
@@matthewpitre8159 yo I can't even imagine typing the words and what the heck would come up on G alone. I don't even want young folks to see this comment smh
*This case is absolutely a nightmare*
Remember he called the victims family’s and taunted them with details of the assaults and the possibility of them still being alive. Absolute DEMON
Oh my god. I completely forgot about that!
Like col russel Williams
Shannon Gilbert’s mother was also called. There may be a group of people doing this stuff.
So cruel to harass the victims' families 😢.
😮😮 horrible fiend 😮
He searched 10 year old girls
His victims were all small built women
He kept a life size doll with the hair in braids
This is scary stuff
Creepy asf
He's fixated on that ,makes me wonder could he have killed when his father died? He was 11 maybe he killed a 10 year old and was searching to see if they ever found her??
LOL. 99% of white guys like petite small women ,Spinner if you will. anything more than 100 is fat and hated . The weird thing is that a lot underage girls are being molested , but mothers are looking the other way. there is a huge Problem that is becoming open because of old school white men feel that they are losing Power and Control.
VERY SCARY 😧
Didn’t his father die when he was 10. That is significant
This guy started killing long before the early 2000’s and he didn’t abruptly stop 13 years ago either. The woman Grace spoke to was spot on. These sickos don’t just stop.
We also need to get rid of these porn sites that help fuel these monsters!!!
I agree. It's ridiculous such sites are allowed to exist. Right and wrong used to mean something in this nation.
"dOn'T kiNk sHaMe mE pOrN cAn bE hEaLtHy blah blah blah" urgh
100% agree ...
Nancy, I’m certain you’re correct, this guy is connected to others
1 thing stood out not spoke about imo.....the police said he got a new burner phone per kill well....they said 7 burners linked back to him
@@moderator7169 That’s such a good catch.
👍 100%
And those 'others' are *significant* members of their communities. It's disgusting.
@@linasanukethe killed a baby?? 😢
I’m horrified by this. His searches are as nasty as you can get. 🤮
This guy's been killing his whole life
Im certain he's been involved in this activity for many years.
Yeah, I think so, too. Especially with him looking up all of those Google searches about 10-year-old girls. His father died when he was 12-ish. My guess is he started like Bundy who started and finished with 13-year-old girls.
I agree !
Serial killers do that. It's why they get so good at slaying. It's how Ted Bundy would have been if he had internet.
Just when I thought I'd heard it all. What a sick sick person
I absolutely HATE that there are so many results for each of those searches!! He might be caught but how many other pathetic, vile, perverted creatures are fantasising & searching right now? 😳
I could get sick after hearing of his Google searches. I can’t believe people think of such stuff!!! That’s so scary and the sad part is you know there is more and will be more killers out there and in future. Makes me sad and scared for my own child in this world. So scary
Why is this stuff allowed to be put on the internet?
What about YOUR Google searches.
Make them public, we'll see if you are as clean as you claim.
I have 3 daughters, and now 2 little grandsons. When I tell you that I pray EVERY day! You have to pray and trust in how you’re raising or have raised them well and knowing how to make GOOD decisions…and enjoy peace in that knowing.
@@xl000 grow up
What were his searches? 💩
My wife's best friend's daughter was one of the victims. It's a small world. Thank God he is caught
So distressing for all involved. Let’s hope that this arrest brings some answers for all the victims families. They all deserve it so much
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Bless mom 😥💔🙏😇💜
No telling how far this guy went or how many people he has killed. Sounds like his interests were as sick as it can get with all those searches regarding children, abuse, and sex. Not only is he a sick bastard but what about all the people making these types of videos? They need to be found and prosecuted. Your guest was right about the part-time comment. You two are a great team.
Yes, agree - who makes these videos??? They are all victims. Maybe kids trafficked? It's a scourge.
They are mostly made by other sick people who enjoys similar content, or by people that just want to make money. Nasty, greedy, disgusting people.
Internet search is how homeland
security busted my brother ..he got 7 years in prison. Just for having the downloads… why didn’t they catch this monster sooner????????
How do you know he wasn't filming these sordid crimes and posting them? 🤮
@@BeasyBee21 It's confounding! More than 10 years later. But, we're not sure he was able to access the downloads he was searching for.
He searched for “active” serial killers. He’s never stopped. He searched for a twink - could that explain the male victim??? Thank you Nancy! Huge fan!
He definitely killed the asian guy listening to this.
Pardon my ignorance, but what is a “twink?
I think he murdered the male by " accident " if you know what i mean. He thought he hired a female but got a trans. He murdered him after finding his surprise. Now he searches twinks and trannys to reminisce his exciting experience. Basically saying that he never intended to murder a male or twink. It just happened, resulting in a new weird secret fetish. JMO...
@@diamondloverforever6759 Twink means like a young, usually skinny, handsome but feminine gay male. Lots of vanity and flamboyence.
Yes. I read somewhere that the Asian guy was a cross dresser or something. So that explains it. He likes the feminine looking types
I'd say something happened to him at 10 years old. He will not last long in prison. His next Google search: How to stay alive in prison.
Hopefully they won’t allow him any further computer access
NO EXCUSES
Some people are just natural born MONSTERS
He’s been murdering for at least 30 yrs.Grandpa’s belt has somethg to do w/ his thoughts of GrPa. No one takes a passed on gift from a dead relative-& uses it in a crime unless it has an emotional & deep connection w/ that person.Q: What did Grandpa do to REX?
Put him in gen pop and let them handle this evil POS.
I think his Father died at that age.
This is so scary and disturbing, Thank God these Officers and Detectives found this evil man!
Thank you Nancy for your coverage.
His family must be freaking out. You never know someone
Yes, do you think they had any idea that at least something, was going on with this creep?
@@aj529 I think we have an idea when someone is a bit different but I never think someone could be a serial murderer! Especially the LI murderer. I don’t know how they found him. Pizza DNA. How? When? 🤷♀️
The “10 year old school girl” search…he needs to be investigated for every child sexual assault and child death in the tri-state area. If he has any family members that are 10yrs old or around, they need to be interviewed. Disgusting man. I hope all his victims receive justice.
I’m so glad for CSI personnel. I couldn’t do that job! Seems so gross but it’s important work. And the nightmares the detectives must get!
Its why a lot of people in law enforcement commit suicide.
No shit! How do they even sleep?!
@@CobraR1993😢
Which is Y many have a drinking problem,,, kno coz Hit Home personally 😢
We don’t sleep peacefully that’s for sure. I can still picture vividly in my mind and can describe every single detail of every scene and evidence. Between me and my husband one of us will have a vivid nightmare at least twice a week or more. It’s the trauma displayed on a victims face that’s haunting along with the descriptive atrocities that happened to them. What makes it worse is many DA’s rather plea which releases these offenders early to only do it all over again.
His fascination with 10 year olds might be why he picked his victims. I heard they were all very tiny. I’m so glad they found him. I feel so sorry for all these families. My heart hurts for them.
True, and LA would have been waaay more invested in missing children than some "h00kers". The fact that he managed to get away with these acts, despite being investigated, in a time when surveillance cameras were around, is a condemnation of law enforcement.
I know the daughter of one of the 4 . He called her from her mothers phone. She was 7 years old. She’s been afraid to go anywhere alone ever since. We know now he’s been stalking her online to this day and has a time share near us. We tried to tell her her fears were unwarranted. We were wrong.
Yes Melissa was 4’10, amber was 4’11, Megan was 5’5 and Maureen was 4’11
I think he knew if he did that to kids it would bring a different kind of search for him that he didn’t want! He picked his victims because they was living a high risk lifestyle and he could get them alone for money
I have worked as a Prison Nurse before…. Sometimes I Think Prison is a worse Punishment then the death penalty. I do feel the death penalty should always be available for premeditated murder and sex crimes against children. Death Penalty or life in prison.
Don't worry, I'm sure those inmates will take extra good care of him and I'm sure they will be gentle. Lol
@@elaineisabelle427 nah, he's a huge imposing guy (albeit not young) and they won't care he kiIIed prost...utes, ones over I8. A lot of psychopaths thrive in prison as they are masters at adaption. It's possible, HE may be the v!ctimizer there. If you were talking about some small, fraiI guy who is in there for possessing chiId porn or even dittIing a chiId, then yes, but the circumstances here are different . We want so bad to believe the worst will "pay" for their krimes in there, but that's not always the case, unfortunately.
* excuse the mispeIIings, certain worrds will get this comment sensored.
DP for guilty beyond any doubt. The rest, life. Judges, probation need to stop putting predators back into their hunting grounds.
He will be killed in prison like Jeffrey Dahmer!
Hes a huge dude
This sick puppy is going to have a lot of other victims, just follow the Pizza crust crumbs and get ready for a 20 part Netflix series explaining his evil double life that's certainly getting more complex day by day
I hope they don’t make a series about him…
I feel sure he has more victims. So grateful they have him behind bars.
30 years
@orangepeel3465 30 years ???? He started in 2010 or is that wrong
@@jasminejohnstone1803 Body parts found starting in the 90's.
Serial killers do not quit until they get caught. It's an addiction.
The Asian Male that was found on Gilgo Beach was dressed in woman's clothing. He searched for Asian Male with Female Characteristics.
Thank-you Nancy! Your the smartest attorney on the planet.
This nation needs a serious discussion about violent "porn" maybe begin by giving it a new name. As a woman, this poison is an ever present threat to my well being.
Ted Bundy admitted it was the origin to his violent urges and I thought it seemed too simple but beginning to think this is the main factor
Ted Bundy warned of the dangers of porn the night before his was executed! He wasnt lieing that time thats for sure
YES! Altho I've never seen it, nor intend to - it needs a new name. SICK! Violent Sick
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Your current administration condones it
Thank you so much Nancy and Sheryl! I am so thankful they finally got this MONSTER!!
I'm a true crime buff and I've heard all types of horrific details but those searches still hit me hard af.
It was given to his brpther
It was green
I love what a great mother Nancy Grace is. Every time she talks about her twins she lights up. Fighting crime. She is awesome. I'm so glad they finally caught the LISK.
With that search history, he absolutely never stopped killing. His searches seems to be an attempt to curve his desires and wants. Remember BTK was very similar to this man, it’s just been a long time since we’ve, fortunately, had a BTK. Scary stuff.
Terrifying. Real life...
Serious question. Why are these searches / combination of those words not somehow flagged by the provider for immediate action by police?
Here is the thing: this guy is very good at what he does. Thinking it’s just these 3 girls defies any reasonable logic.
These girls were not his first
or last
And don’t forget the guy. I think he raped and killed him to. One of his google searches of porn was about a feminine guy that was Asian.
Killing a hooker in a remote location is not evidence of skill.
This is so disturbing. It’s going to get worse as the cops gather evidence from the house.
Yeah, he had to do it in the home he couldn't have gotten a body hog tied out of a hotel room. What a monster, pure evil.
actually he could . he chose small girls put bag in suitcase. but i’m sure mosyku home because most of these girls have men around and he’s too vulnerable
Explain that plz
He could have rented a hotel room plus he could have put a body in a suitcase.
Nancy, I love your take on these crimes and I love that you don't give a crap what others think. Only thing I am sad about is there isn't the death penalty across the nation.
Not even a few States? Shocking news to me. Thank you.
@@annwalsh8079 I can certainly see your point, ladies. Unfortunately, it may not be so in this case, but in so many cases, the wrong person is accused and convicted. There have been many of these cases in the past, only because some overly enthusiastic prosecutor or police chief wants to close the case very quickly. This is because they have a huge load of cases, or, sometimes, so much media pressure to find their perpetrator.
Hey Nancy, I have followed your shows for the last 2 decades, just wanna thank you soooo much. Your awesome! Now, this guy is sick and he never stopped and probably never would have. God only knows how many people he really killed through out his whole pathetic life. I would like to state my opinion on this matter. Our Justice system and legislative laws must change for criminals such as serial killers. There needs to be swift and harsh punishment, otherwise these sick F@$ks will keep doing it. This has been going on for way too long!! There must be a better deterrent intact. My thoughts and prayers to all the victims families.
My late Granny loved Nancy Grace and at 8pm Granny was unavailable lol. She loved it when Nancy cut the mic of an idiot....
@@c.b.-11 - awe!!💕💕❤️
I agree that the system needs to be changed. People need to stand up and fight for better legislation, such as longer sentences for repeat violent offenders. While NY has no death penalty, he may have also crossed state lines or comitted other federal crimes, potentially with harsher punishments.
I think the Asian guy may have been a cross dresser. Wasn't that one of his searches?
@@mcicalese58 It's very possible, as cross dressers and trans people are often the victims of violence. I hope they all RIP ❤️🌈
What a horrible human. I don’t understand how a person can turn into such a evil person.
I think they must have to work up to it, by repeatedly choosing every evil option over the right one, over and over until they have no conscience and it feels "normal" to them.
He’s a monster not a human.
@@abc-wv4inAbsolutely! That is how this works. Choices, over and over 👌
Imagine what his wife and children think or feel about hearing the search history 🤢
BTK daughter has already weighed in and talked about the pure Hell his family is going through.
Thats sad.,.they hav to bear this ..will hav 2 change their lives ,big time..their world is gone,as they knew it..change names....but parents of victims,hell thry hav been thru..curious,where did the doll come from,in basement..
I just can’t imagine
They can never go back and live in that house
I couldn’t imagine, helps at the wife is going to be when she finds out her hairs were on the bodies to. And then to find out about his search history. He destroyed their lives.
Google should be alerting the police/FBI any time anyone searches for those things. Why isn’t this already happening?! What’s even worse is that he probably found tons of videos when he did those searches. I hate this disgusting, awful world. Sending love and support to the victims and their poor families.
I knew I could get the best information from you and Sheryl!! Thank y’all so!
If his wife is from Iceland, did he travel there too? Bodies might be there! I’m listening to you , Nancy , for all of the updates!
Nancy you're awesome. Watching your show makes me feel like I'm not crazy! I also vacuum every single day we have 3 dogs and a cat, there is fur in every single inch of this household and no matter how hard I try to clean it, it is always there. You're a great mother, daughter and wife !
Thank you Nancey ! It feels like such a crazy world where people hurt each other!! I just can't understand
That is so beautiful of Mrs Nancy taking care of her mother God bless you for honoring your mother!
I hope this is a death penalty case. Shannan Gilbert, rest in peace, blew this thing wide open by calling and screaming for help.
What I don't understand is anyone who was shocked by this. I would not have gotten into an empty elevator with this guy. He's terrifying-looking.
New York abolished the death penalty
NY doesn't have the Death penalty !,
I'm thinking they find a body of some one he killed in a state that Does have the Death penalty !
I doubt he will survive the first month of prison. This story is the worst I have ever heard. I think the devil is even disgusted by this guy!
@@601RoLizsadly he’s likely to be fine in prison.
He will be in PC
I find it hard to believe he kept all of this from his wife. Really makes me wonder how much she knows or whether or not she was possibly involved
There have been many SK in the past that have been married and their wives knew nothing. BTK for one.
@@Harley_Girl68 or pretended not to know
@@LFranklya the ones that suspected something thought their husbands were having affairs. This one really didn’t provide much for his family. I understand the wife had to apply for food stamps. Not 💯 about that but one of the news channels mentioned it after she applied for divorce.
His wife is from Iceland and constantly was in and outta the country traveling from USA to her homeland
Borderline victim blaming. Anyone that is at all familiar with serial killer's know they are excellent at the ability to compartmentalize. Often loved ones and spouses have no clue. They think they are cheating at the most. Smh, it's 2023, not 1965. Stop blaming the family they are victims too.
His wife's hair was found on at least one of the victims, so yes, these crimes occurred at his home.
Probably happen at his storage unit.
Good point!
His wife's hair could have been in his car or on his clothes. It doesn't *necessarily* mean the crimes happened in his home.
Or his wife helped...
@@BradleyVolk3 His wife was away for the 3 murders he's charged with so far. There's no reason to think she helped.
absolutely, child predators and serial killas NEVER change
It is fascinating to hear the conclusion to those mysteries from so long ago. I always wondered and so glad they caught him!
Oh yes! If he’s buying a burner phone in 2023 There’s no way he stopped. There’s definitely more victims. It’s only a matter of time. What a sick twisted evil monster. Those searches make me sick also. 🤮
I agree. I HIGHLY doubt he just stopped killing. Like he woke up one day and was just no longer a homicidal psychopath?!
Also what do you think are the odds those were his first ones?
I'm not buying that either. He's what 58-59.
I don't believe he just woke up one day 10 years ago as one either
If this man has lived, visited, went to school somewhere else they need to start looking. We all know that's not how it works
He's narcissistic, cocky, and vile.
The way he calls the families he wants chased he wants people talking about him. Wondering. He's sadistic. Calculating. I doubt calling the families was enough to satiate his needs. It wouldn't shock me if he kept track of their families. Watched them at times. Those poor families. My heart breaks for the lost of precious young woman. I hope for them, this brings a small amount of justice to them and little bit of peace
He’s been murdering for at least 30 yrs.Grandpa’s belt has somethg to do w/ his thoughts of GrPa. No one takes a passed on gift from a dead relative-& uses it in a crime unless it has an emotional & deep connection w/ that person.Q: What did Grandpa do to REX?
He is a sadist... both to his victims and to just people he deals with in general. If the opportunity presents itself to be able to abuse, irritate, aggravate, scare, terrorize... does not matter just so long as it gets a rise out of the person, he will go for it.
This man almost 60yrs old absolutely 💯 Agreed this sick mofo has been killing at least 30-40yrs now i hope they find more girls that families been looking for yrs n yrs hopefully can find answers soon but hopefully they go back to where he grew up to the spot he got arrested cuz young girls n women went missing wherever he lived!!!!!
Absolutely. He’s been murdering for at least 30 yrs.Grandpa’s belt has somethg to do w/ his thoughts of GrPa. No one takes a passed on gift from a dead relative-& uses it in a crime unless it has an emotional & deep connection w/ that person.Q: What did Grandpa do to REX?
@@orangepeel3465 He probably got his ass beat with a belt but so did a lot of us I'm close to his age and sure haven't killed anyone over it your passionate over this you should of been a detective much needed for this very type of stuff and yes he's been doing goofy things to woman no doubt since he was very young ppl he hung around with or relatives gonna be popping up or even a survivor maybe give us all more details on this dude here he's a classic nut job..... I've been busy with the girl who faked her kidnapping the Alabama girl who went missing 2 nights she definitely been messing around with another man is what I think we know after the highway she made it to Target for snacks brought em to the Red Roof Inn than walks home when she realized the whole nation out looking for her no mention of suspects nor a toddler she planned it not well but planned it so I was caught up on that but I will be looking into any and all info on this guy I live in Pa. not far away from the marsch land where bodies found and have friends on Long Island so ty have a great day any suggestions I should watch plz lmk❤️❤️
Like my Mama and Granny ( God rest their souls) would always say, "You can be highly intelligent and STILL be dumb as a box of rocks." This dude is just that. Period. 🙄🤦🏾♀️ I'm so glad he's been caught!
Nancy I watch your Bloodline Detectives series, which I love! You’ve spent your career searching for justice for victims! Admirable ❤️🙏
Nancy he didn’t start doing this when he was 45 years old! Your suspicions are right! God, I can only imagine what his family is going through! His wife’s hair is literally on one of the bodies. Sick bastard! Also, one of the young women he worked with said he left a creepy message on her phone! If I was her, I would be terrified right now.
He’s been murdering for at least 30 yrs.Grandpa’s belt has somethg to do w/ his thoughts of GrPa. No one takes a passed on gift from a dead relative-& uses it in a crime unless it has an emotional & deep connection w/ that person.Q: What did Grandpa do to REX?
The moment you mentioned the cat scratch post, knew that the suspect had to be nailed. Coming from someone who also took in a black stray kitten, now a big boy, and many years of different cats and dogs, there is no way he didn’t transfer fur to the crime scene. 🐈⬛
Wow can’t believe the twins are teenagers now…time is flying …we appreciate you Nancy
And she's taking care of her mother. I love Nancy.
There was a girl that said he bothered her in a park just recently.
Yes she has come forward recently and nobody is talking about it the fact that he was in the woods just popping out following her and asking her all sorts of weird questions she even had to Questions like you come here often? I like get a new pick up line! Apparently he was also covered in dirt also he Had got a ride from 1 of his coworkers home 1 night on a dessolate Stretch of road He started talking to her about the killings And said I wonder why he used burlap she Is obviously creeped right out about that
Really, I didn't hear that one.
The Devil
@@matthewpitre8159 where did u get from?
A woman
Nancy, you rock. Thank you SO much for being the voice for us. All of us, especially women. Going after the scumbags that wreck society and harm others. Bless you! Sherry
Those searches are telling and so revolting.
Even if he's completely innocent of the murders, he still needs castrated, a lobotomy, and thrown in a cage.
It's extremely disturbing that his own daughter is a red head. 😬
Ohhh no. Sick evil bastard.
He owns property in 3 different states so I agree with the caller. They need to search his other properties as well!
I would like to know if his wife and children were fearful of him. And if there are any survivors who escaped him, but who have been too fearful or humiliated to tell their story?
Good questions Agnetha. I haven't heard much about his wife, but the neighbors said she was quiet. They said when his wife would leave for the weekend, he was taking hookers to the house and screwing them. I'm thinking they might find alot of dna evidence inside that home. Do you believe there are more victims than just these 4?
always '"TEAM NANCY" thank you for your reporting !!!
I believe there are more victims, and I don't believe he brought them all to his home. As an architect, he could have literally designed hidey-holes in buildings that nobody would know about. He dealt with obscure building codes, so he could have told owners they were required to wall off a space, etc. Plus, he would have known about construction sites, when cement might be poured, when they were not being worked on, etc. If they are able to tie in more victims, investigators will need to go over his building projects, very carefully searching for bodies.
The doll aspect is so very creepy, and I believe he was one twisted and sick individual. They say that sex and porn addicts are always searching for new things to consume or try, moving to the more and more extreme, such as pedophilia and snuff. The dolls make me think he may have been trying to live out unrealistic fantasies.
Also, he may have dressed up his victims just as one would a doll. The wife's hair may have come from him using her hairbrush or clothes, etc. Plus, duct tape is sticky even when it's still rolled up, so if he had it in the home it would have picked up all kinds of things. I hope they are not going to find even sicker things, such as souvenirs or remains used to dress dolls, etc. Sending out live and light, for the world surely needs it right now. RIP ladies ❤
Well said
@@TeeJayNZ Now we find out he also has a dodgy brother Craig too, watch this space . . . 👀
Great theory!
I love how she mentions her twins all the time. I have twins too and I’m always talking about them too!
An architect of sadism
Excellent way of wording it.
Excellent comment!
I’m a writer and this an incredible tag for him.
Truth! I have a hard time believing that he was warm, affectionate & nurturing with his wife & children.
Love you, Nancy! Always true crime reports.
What kind of a pychopath does not eat the pizza crust?
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I agree! That should factor into our assessment of others. Lol
He wasn’t as smart as he thought he was, now was he?! He thought he was following them so closely, when in fact they were following him! Even BK knew he was being followed! He literally wore gloves and took his trash to the neighbors house!🤣
I think you are spot on Ms. Grace about being even more murders to this scum. I can’t believe he woke up one day in his 40’s and decided he was going to comit murder.
we love you Nancy. There have been killers with years between murders
I Don't think there's years in-between they just haven't found the bodies !
Yep BTK stopped killing for years before he get caught
"You can't be a part-time serial killer!"..... That part.
I definitely think we are going to find victims in different states
All the towns and states he drove through en route to his brother’s South Carolina property need to be checked for more victims! 💯
Thank you Nancy and yes many more victims
Thank you Nancy for reporting this story, you are the best advocate for these poor girls!
More of these nightmares need to be out there for all to know, education for young girls, people in general💕
I'd search for un accounted dead space in his house or any building he had at his disposal. For hidden storage.behind bookcases or movable objects .He is an architect. False wall spaces.
Brilliant point!
Pure evil , cant even call him human , sick sick sick . I bet there is a lot more to be found imo
Looking fabulous NG I always look forward to new uploads from you !
That list of searches you read off and I'm sure it's just the icing on the cake really tells a story of how depraved society is. Scary question is how many of us probably know someone seemingly normal that fit this bill. So disturbing
Thank you Nancy for this informative Video. And I hope we will find out more about all those people he killed.
Yes, i believe there is a new dumping ground that hasn't been discovered.
They are looking at other states for sure because he owns other properties worth around $800,000 in SC and Las Vegas
Mani love this friend. She's always great on the show. Such good feedback.
I wonder how many bodies were washed out by Super Storm Sandy in 2014. I am from Long Island near the area and Gilgo and Oak Beach washed away.
GREAT analysis Nancy & Sheryl ... thank you :)
Absolutely love you Nancy and love your intelligent guests!!!
NANCY GRACE is QUEEN !!!!! DAM YOUR AWESOME , dont stop doing what you do Mrs. grace
This must go past other states, i think this case is going to be very complex and could take years. Doesn't he even have a hunting licence for Alaska and numerous properties in different states, like, South Carolina and some others and don't even get me started on them internet web searches they're so sick and twisted its unreal, it gives me chills
Nancy I agree about the different states. I myself am Canadian from QC and I spend most of my summer in the north east US. Your states are so closely connected up there, I really wouldn’t be surprised if he is linked to other similar murders of marginalized women and trans women in those areas. Much love- keep doing good work!! ❤
He obviously had to move the dump site. And he has been to that country where his wife is always going to and I almost guarantee that he has victims over there.
One freaking crazy part of the death of Shannon Gilbert is that he was able to direct her to his dump site without having to snatch her and take her home and bring her back to the dump site. He was getting that good.
If he had a police radio, maybe that is what tipped him off to Shannon?
@@Bzzzzzzzz535 noice. Never thought about it like that. That would explain it.
The wife can’t be completely surprised. There had to have been clues.
It’s possible she could have thought he was having a affair but unless he had harmed her at some point I don’t think murder would have occurred to her.
@@Juanitajam so you believe Murderer/Serial Killer would have crossed her mind? The average normal person doesn’t think that way. She honestly might have believed she knew her husband well. She found out she didn’t. BTK’s wife and children were abused at least mentally by him but none ever considered SK to be in his nature. Keith Hunter Jesperson the family knew he was different but not sure SK crossed their minds until much later. There are others too. She not the first wife of a SK who really didn’t know. Seriously doubt she’ll be the last.
The wife is from Iceland and was always traveling from the USA to her homeland. And she has a special needs son from a previous relationship. She probably wasn’t paying attention.
Part of the thrill is getting away with it, it is only logical. The profiles of the victims seem to me, to reflect his partners/wives, at the time. Often the best behavior is with family and work, and I'd look at missing people in his teens near where he was at the time. The whole timeline needs to be done...
Thank you, Nancy! ❤❤
I been waiting for nancy grace to drop the video on this case!!! One of the craziest cases.. so many freaking details.. so much sketchy things… so many storylines just EVERYTHING… we need justice for ALL the victims!!! Whether big belly creep did it all or if there is another killer out there… i just hope we get justice for Shannon Gilbert and ALL the others
There actually is DP in New York but only for serious federal crimes.. so if this turns federal, then its possible.. someone is on a DP trial right now in New York
This was a great conversation/ interview. So many great smart points.
With all his sick thoughts... The sick thought is that he had a daughter and a wife... What kind of sick thoughts did he have about them... Living in deceit... They must be sick to their stomach living thru this.
His searches got to be unbearable 😢😮 his mind is like one of a reptile. He lives off the fear and carnage of others that were defenseless. He is a nasty ogre human hybrid reptile. The sad part is, he isn't alone.
Its incredibly sweet, how much you love your twins, Nancy ❤️💕