Check out EIGHT different 270° awnings in ONE video

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  • Опубликовано: 21 дек 2024

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  • @softroadingthewest
    @softroadingthewest  Год назад +42

    Next week, I'll work on learning correct hand gestures for "lowest" and "highest" 😆 1:26

  • @rock283
    @rock283 Год назад +44

    There is something to say about actual person to person demonstration, the guys who grabbed the awning and suspended themselves definitely get bonus points for faith in the product.

    • @francescocesario2658
      @francescocesario2658 6 месяцев назад

      lol that was a gimmick.. he had the post extended down.. 😂 ofcourse it could hold his weight..

    • @liamcooper5202
      @liamcooper5202 5 месяцев назад +3

      ​@francescocesario2658 Dean didn't have the support pole installed when he hung from awning and has done it many times

    • @GregBatt
      @GregBatt 2 месяца назад

      @@francescocesario2658the bush company awning is super strong I can do chin ups on mine.

  • @pala4833
    @pala4833 Год назад +10

    The Bush Company one looks pretty good. The deploy/stow demos were impressive.

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад +5

      Indeed, even though it's not at the top of the price scale, to me this unit looks like the gold standard. It's a lot more money than I budgeted for this item, though it looks like it would outlive me. Buying one $1,500 awning is ultimately less expensive than buying a $1,000 awning now and another $1,000 awning down the road. 😏

    • @juliusgregorio
      @juliusgregorio Год назад

      I’ve had my eye in the bush company as well. It’s one of the heaviest awnings along with their RTT. Built like a tank though.

    • @BrienWood7.3
      @BrienWood7.3 Год назад

      23zero looks really good and won't break the bank.

  • @michaelblake4442
    @michaelblake4442 Год назад +5

    I have been using the Bush Company 270 for about two years now and i am full time on the road, it is the best thing since sliced bread, so easy to put out and pack away I use it all the time. My previous awning was a bit of a chore to put away so i was less inclined to put it out. It is good in the wind but I am still a bit cautious and tend to put it away if the car is unattended

  • @ErnestoG3
    @ErnestoG3 Год назад +3

    I re-watched your $60 DIY awning. A lot of things have changed in three years!

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад +1

      Haha, well, one of the things that has changed is years of imperfect experiences with my DIY awning. 😄 And this new setup with the camper, I need shelter both on the rear and the side. I have a few too many DIY projects awaiting my attention as it is but a few months camping with no awning has reminded me how much I need one. For something this complicated, I'm happy to invest in someone else's R&D and superior welding, haha. Large DIY projects bog down my ability to actually get out and film some adventures...after months of working on my rear bumper, not spending still more months in the garage is feeling worth some investment. 🙂

  • @aimlesslydriven
    @aimlesslydriven Год назад +4

    When I was at Expo West this year I had a gentleman camp next to me with the FSR 270 with the walls and floor and it was impressive and well made. During the hail/rain deluge out there it was an incredibly great place to be sheltered underneath.

    • @maddrummerhef
      @maddrummerhef Год назад

      I was considering this one so that’s good to hear

  • @EmotoOregon
    @EmotoOregon 11 месяцев назад +4

    I remembered when this was going on. I t was the best time to get out in the mountains. All the weekend warriors where in Redmond getting overland gear for their campground adventures.

  • @MadjikMan56
    @MadjikMan56 4 месяца назад +8

    Very helpful video, thank you.
    I find it peculiar that all these 270 awnings have about a 8-10" gap between the edge and the camper/shell above the tail gate. Seems like having weather get through that area when you're getting in and out of the bed, cooking in the tailgate area, etc is not a good thing.

  • @sheriewart8100
    @sheriewart8100 Год назад +3

    23zero 270 driver side & 180 for passenger side with wall kit, awesome awning

  • @Cobian88
    @Cobian88 Год назад +14

    I'm glad I read the comments. I was going to go with the 23Zero since it's pretty cheap and free-standing. But I saw people mention FSR one and even though it's smaller, I love how the back covers the whole tailgate. I usually post up at the tailgate of my truck so the side coverage isn't that big of a deal. I wish people did more video's of all these awnings, I really appreciate you going around and getting info on what you could. Have you decided on one yet?

    • @cooperlink3455
      @cooperlink3455 Год назад

      Did you end up buying the fsr awning? I’m planning to purchase one soon with a room

    • @marceld6061
      @marceld6061 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@cooperlink3455 I know this is an older post but I have had the FSR going on my second year. Love the awning. Looked at the wall kit but didn't want to haul around the giant bag of canvas. Also, I didn't think I would use the wall kit because it defeats the whole purpose of 'quick deploy'. When at camp and you want to go driving around, you have to take it all down first and then set it up again when you get back. If you like to stay in one place for days at a time, well that is different.
      I have my 270 hanging off the awning brackets that mount to their RTT. Simple, clean, easy. The only issue I have with the awning is that the straps get caught in the frames when closing it up. (Note: I am short so that could be the problem?)

    • @demolitionbmxd
      @demolitionbmxd 22 дня назад

      I wasn't sold on the overall look of the FRS quality, how is it holding up for you? As a van dweller the nail in the coffin on the FSR for me was no extension down the length of the vehicle, ie. no coverage over the side doors. Loved the idea of the squared tailgate/back-door area though.

  • @scottymac5174
    @scottymac5174 Год назад +2

    A nice selection! I've been looking for options for my new GFC. That new Yakima, the Peregrine and the Bush Camp caught my eye.

  • @AdventureIdaho
    @AdventureIdaho Год назад +3

    I just installed a OVS Nomadic LTE on my Gladiator. It came in handy last weekend and worked well. Not bad for $450. Thanks for the excellent video!

  • @krismiller5474
    @krismiller5474 Год назад +2

    So glad you did this one. Enjoy your channel and was also at the Expo for the first time.

  • @OutOfOfficeCamping
    @OutOfOfficeCamping Год назад +3

    We actually went with the Force Protector Sweet Spot Kit 2.0 awning system for our GFC camper. We decided against a 270 awning for 3 reasons, 1) Weight 2) Placement limits set up in East Coast Forest camping next to trees. IE find a epic spot and the awning can't be opened. 3) 4x4 East Coast trails with trees a 75% chance of getting it ripped off the truck. $10,000 camper and a $1500 Awning no thank you.
    A Bush Company would be my first choice if non of the 3 above mattered. Hands down incredible build quality!
    The Force Protector is the most versatile setup. Which allows for any deployment you can come up with. Let me repeat that ANYTHING. We've added marine pins on all sides for easy quick setup. (Yes, a 270 is much quicker to set up). All in all its a extreamly fancy tarp made in the USA. The kit comes with 2 panels, which are 6x10, so 120 square feet of coverage. With endless possibilities. Coming in at only 14 lbs for everything.
    Can be used as a tent shelter, go vehicle to vehicle since it comes in 2 bags plus 2 bags for poles. You can add more panels and even connect to others with panels at camp. A wonderful alternative to a fixed 270 awning. 😊
    Mark (& Teresa)
    Hampstead Maryland
    Ford Ranger - GFC Camper V2 #1919

  • @bajasoobnut
    @bajasoobnut Год назад +1

    When we were hanging out with Edward at his truck on Sunday I was looking at his awning and liked that little kickstand to help with water mitigation like that alu-cab rep was showing

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад +1

      Agreed, that's a nice touch. I like how Yakima picked up this feature as well.

    • @bajasoobnut
      @bajasoobnut Год назад +1

      @@softroadingthewest definitely and Yakama is a local company as well lol so they know rain for sure lol

  • @kennethboatner8611
    @kennethboatner8611 Год назад +2

    I’ve got a Hiker overland trailer ordered . I decided to go with the 23 Zero Peregrine 270 with the deluxe walls . From what I’ve read it’s not the best but is awesome for the price point. The awning was around $990 and the deluxe awning walls 1&2 were about $800 . I can’t wait to get it and try it out.

  • @smfmotors
    @smfmotors Год назад +2

    I have the OVS 270 LT and their Shower suite. The 270 is ok, less than two years of occasional use and its showing lots of wear, seems like the bag has shrunk in AZ heat, it's harder and harder to get it to fit back in. Replaced the shower suite already with the Taruca shower and love it!! I will probably go with Taruca awning when its time to hand down the OVS.

  • @jeffbettenga
    @jeffbettenga Год назад +3

    I love my OVS 270 nomatic. I think it is a bit heavier than others but cheaper at $800. I got mine slightly used at $450, well worth that. I use the 270 more than ever since it is so much easier to deploy and put away.

  • @garygomer7940
    @garygomer7940 Год назад +3

    Very helpful video, thanks for your work and sharing with us. Last year I went through many (too many 😵‍💫) hours of research for a 270 Awning. I purchased the James Baroud, it was beyond amazing and HUGE! Long story short I ended up returning it due to multiple replacements being severely damaged due to poor packaging and handling, it weighed about 90 lbs. I then went with the Freespirit Recreation 270 Awning … the quality and functionality is absolutely perfect (I work in Supplier Quality for GM, so I know something about quality). I nightly recommend FSR’s awning. Only downside to it is after temporarily having the massive James Baroud, the FSR awning footprint seems small. Thanks again for sharing your adventures!

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад +2

      A LOT of commenters here seem very pleased with the FSR. I don't know if they were at Expo PNW or not, but if they were, I wish I would have seen this one in person.

  • @chuckgmanleyphotos7197
    @chuckgmanleyphotos7197 Год назад +1

    Well done Donald!!
    To note I reached out to all dogs for Koni shocks and their parabolic springs on my Tacoma from your review. Thanks it is all working well!

  • @williamkenyon9858
    @williamkenyon9858 Год назад +2

    Good info here and I like that you held back your narrative. The issues I have seen with the 270 design is the bag(storage bag) isn't waterproof on some models. The one a friend has the bag allows water to collect inside while in the storage mode(collapsed). I couldn't tell if any of these suffer from the same fate but it is something to consider when look at an awning!

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад +2

      The only one who really addressed this in any way was the Bush Company guy, who indicated their bag is designed to allow water to drain out.

  • @godsbackcountryoverland
    @godsbackcountryoverland Год назад +3

    If budget is not an option then those are not bad, but for value and price I looked at many option at the show as well and ended up buying and Ironman 270 XRT 143 free standing awning with extra poles and three walls as well for 1k. In the never ending money pit of overlanding value for the money spent is the most important to me. I’m also going with Topo Toppers Badlander in the near future, I think you made a great decision on your top as you can’t go wrong for the price. I spoke with a guy at the show that had this awning going on 3 years and it looked great, he said he was very happy with it and the fact that it any weighs 47 lbs is another plus.

  • @MrKeenaz
    @MrKeenaz Год назад +1

    Thank you Donald. That was a well presented video. Awnings are NOT all the same as I’ve been told by a seller who seems to think they swing out 270degs and that’s that. You have shown us the exact differences and qualities that go into the makings of them. Cheers to you buddy.

  • @kenuber4014
    @kenuber4014 Год назад +1

    Thanks, this was alot of information. I'm looking for an awning as well.

  • @rmorales1029
    @rmorales1029 Год назад +1

    We bought the Bundutec 360 awning for our Colorado teardrop trailer. Love the additional coverage of this freestanding awning as compared to what you get from the 270. Also, never under estimate the power of a slight breeze and the “sail” effect created underneath the awning when open. Just make sure you buy one that can handle strong winds because if your away from the trailer/truck on a hike/fishing/bike ride and the wind comes up all of a sudden you don’t want to come back to a “folded up” awning.

  • @t.o.f.t.s.
    @t.o.f.t.s. Год назад +1

    I like the OVS as well, but the Perigrine and Bushwcker seemed impressive. while at the show it was evident how dark and cool it was under the Perigrine. I'm looking at their 180° option.

  • @Nolgore
    @Nolgore Год назад +3

    A key differentiator is the shape, the ones that are square off the tailgate are best. Alu Cab, FSR, and CVT are all that shape.

  • @BTBSean0
    @BTBSean0 Год назад +4

    Coming from Australia we get every typ of awning on the market ...I have seen them all close to 40 different companies version ...I have the Bush Comany xt 270 ...Best strongest Awning on the market by far ...Bundutech is a close second (I have their tent) ...my channel has uploads of these

  • @mikedevere
    @mikedevere Год назад +1

    Great resource. Good luck with the rest of the search - very interested in learning from your experience 👍

  • @user-bp6ov4vd2f
    @user-bp6ov4vd2f 5 месяцев назад +3

    This video was very informative. I’ve been looking into 270 awning for a little while. Try to make a wise choice. Some companies on this video were never heard of before. So thank you for putting this together. Heck, overlanding gears aren’t cheap 😢 wonder which awning you ended up with…..

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  5 месяцев назад

      I ended up with an awning from a new company that reached out to me after I published this video. Here is the video about the awning I got:
      ruclips.net/video/HPyhi8JU_8E/видео.html
      and here is a follow-up video about improvements the company has since made to their awning:
      ruclips.net/video/mj7iic2JBUU/видео.html

  • @johnwalker3263
    @johnwalker3263 Год назад +1

    I love how they wrap around the back of the vehicle! That would work great for my Jeep. What I’m don’t love is the weight and the price. That’s some expensive shade! For me to justify it I’d have to use it A LOT! Thanks for the video. It clarifies a lot.

  • @erichughes9098
    @erichughes9098 Год назад +1

    Thank you Donald very helpful. I am planning to do a build on a gladiator soon.
    😎👍

  • @jeepersdelight
    @jeepersdelight Год назад +2

    Jase from MD here.
    Great vid! I've been pondering the idea of moving my ARB awning to the trailer and doing a 270 or 180. While the tuff stuff one is MY range lol, The Bush Co. is suuuper kool! Fairly simple in design, strong, and my lawd the setup and breakdown times are wild!! And the bag...shoo, you can probably stash a couple fishn' poles in there!!
    But, totally dig your truck, I can relate when it comes to most of the stuff can be DIY, thus save and hold out for the few NICE things. That topper is Kool and eager awaiting how you decide to do the rest!
    🍻 from MD my friend!

    • @SoloHiker1
      @SoloHiker1 Год назад +1

      Dude you're a freaking genius. Never thought of stuffing a rod in there.

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад +2

      "Most of the stuff can be DIY, thus save and hold out for the few NICE things" YES!! Thank you! I may quote you on this in a future video, this is a critical point that gets past a lot of people when I do actually decide to get a quality piece of gear. 😏

    • @jeepersdelight
      @jeepersdelight Год назад +1

      @@softroadingthewest
      Hey there! Yea man please do, quotes all yours!! Give me a name drop! 😂
      Me and my brother were talking, cant fathom some of these builds sometimes..like 10 maxed out credit cards later 😂 ..plus, im way to 'handy' NOT to DIY!
      🍻!!

    • @jeepersdelight
      @jeepersdelight Год назад +1

      @@SoloHiker1
      Totally!! Sometimes ya just gotta stare at chit long enough...with a beer

  • @KnittedSchnauzer
    @KnittedSchnauzer Год назад

    Great review. The vendors themselves provided not only good information on their product, but gave some idea of how the awnings are used for those of us that haven't seen them.
    I was impressed that they pretty much all seemed the same. Aluminum arms and ripstop fabric. My sense though is that the hinge is the key and pivotal element. It would be hard to judge which is best.
    Thanks again for an excellent presentation.

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад

      I agree, the hinge construction and how the arms interface with it would seem to be the most important detail in terms of durability. In person, I definitely got a sense of which ones inspired more confidence than others and a few of these have risen to the top of my list. Still contemplating though. 😄

  • @bruceyyyyy
    @bruceyyyyy Год назад +1

    Thanks for putting this out there.

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад +1

      I mean, it's no soda bottle weight test, but we can't all be bruceyyyyy 😄

    • @bruceyyyyy
      @bruceyyyyy Год назад

      @@softroadingthewest Just you wait until I move a building with Pepsi or have a spectacular explosion of soda. It's a win win really.

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад +1

      @@bruceyyyyy LOL 😆

  • @waxifari5528
    @waxifari5528 Год назад +5

    If I had a full size rig I’d “Go Bush” (as their media says) without hesitation. But as a mid size I micro manage GVWR like a Nazi backpacker lol. And as such I went FSRs 270 on my build. It it good for the price and class-leading lite at 27 lbs. Can’t say for sure but I believe it’s a rebranded Drifta product which is not a bad thing. Great vid btw.

    • @Thergood
      @Thergood Год назад +4

      I have the FSR 270 as well. The other great feature is the squared off coverage over the tailgate. Most of these awnings do not fully cover the rear the of the truck. Lightweight, free-standing, and full tailgate coverage.

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад +2

      I'll check out the FSR. I'm surprised I didn't see them at Expo PNW (maybe they were there and I just missed them). With my ultra-light camper and relatively lightweight bumper builds, I'm personally not too concerned about 25 vs 50 lbs. My daughter weighs 95 pounds but I wouldn't leave her at home if she wanted to come along. 😄 Anyway, definitely gonna take a look at the FSR, I want to consider every possible option before plunking down this kind of change, and their tailgate coverage sounds interesting. Thanks!

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад +1

      OK, just went to look at that. That's a nice looking unit and impressive build for that low weight. Looks like they're currently out of stock. 😕

    • @Thergood
      @Thergood Год назад

      @@softroadingthewest They restock pretty regularly. Demand seems to be really high for them.

    • @waxifari5528
      @waxifari5528 Год назад

      @@softroadingthewest Sorry to throw another unit in the mix of deliberation and head spinning comparisons lol. But in seriousness it is worth consideration.
      Also has optional wall kit - you probably saw that on website.
      I was able to see in person @ OE MW last year and FSR became local, moving from PNW to Golden so it became a no brainer as the lightest freestanding 270 and being able to physically drive to them if there was an issue.
      Good luck in your decision. With your beefy brackets on your topper I think any 270 will do great. So you really are splitting hairs so to speak which is a good problem to have.

  • @twocrowsdown
    @twocrowsdown Год назад +2

    Nice job on this video. I’m from Australia and I’ve never heard of Bushwakka ( did a Google search - they’re dinkum). I have a 270° awning on my Toyota Hilux and rate them almost as high as remembering your car keys - winter here right now so I get shelter from the rain but in summer I think I appreciate the shade even more.

  • @midnightadventureswa
    @midnightadventureswa Год назад +6

    These are all nice looking awnings, but I would also look into overland vehicle systems 270 I have a 180 and used it multiple times the construction and the material is outstanding. I would seriously look into that company 😊

  • @robertsegura6451
    @robertsegura6451 Год назад +3

    I bought a 10x10 foot sun shade cloth, suction cups, and telescopic poles and called it a day. $1,500.00 is mucho to stay out of the sun.

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад +4

      I did something along those lines for years...a lightweight tarp and telescoping poles. It was cheap, and better than nothing, but came with a lot of frustrations and I was often unable to use it. I mostly camp fall/winter/spring so it's about more than staying out of the sun...even with poles staked down and tarp guy-lined out, there are frequently conditions where my DIY solution is simply unusable. It was also time-consuming to set up and stow away...not a huge issue for most people, but for me out filming adventures for my channel, time is of the essence when I need to be capturing footage during the best light of day, in the evening or in the morning, right when I make/break camp. Also, camping with friends, people would constantly be tripping over my guy lines, and camping solo, even I would trip over my own dang guy lines. 😆
      For me, investing in an awning like this is not just a knee-jerk "I'm-an-overlander-and-need-an-awning-on-my-rig." It's the conclusion I've finally reached after YEARS of trying to avoid making this purchase, heh. It has come to the point where I can now see that it's worth spending money on...for me. If your solution works for you, that is fabulous.🙂

  • @roytiller4537
    @roytiller4537 Год назад +2

    I absolutely love your set up because it's what I would love to do but my budget is more whatever I can find at Harbor Freight. lol But I did go to that show in Redmond on the last day, I always hope to run into you and other youtubers that do what you do and I manged to run into Jason and his huge van and Maria from Roaming Reckless but that's it. Hopefully one day I will run into you. I love your videos because they remind me of Oregon Field Guide shows ...

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад +3

      I'm sorry I missed you, hopefully we can cross paths next year. I'm going to try and be a little more predictable at future Expos with some scheduled times at specific locations. A number of people missed me this year (including some good friends I was hoping to see) so I'm aiming to improve that going forward.

    • @roytiller4537
      @roytiller4537 Год назад

      @@softroadingthewest No worries.

  • @chrismagJ
    @chrismagJ Год назад +1

    Spent 2022 overland expo looking for a 270 for my OEV CampX. Once i saw the Bush awning I was sold. Picked mine up at expo 2023.

  • @demolitionbmxd
    @demolitionbmxd 22 дня назад

    Good video to compare, I've relocated to USA recently from Australia which has a plethora of awning options.
    I have a Bundutec 360 on my troopy in Australia that is still going strong after many years of use. I just ordered an OVS 270 awning for my 4x4 econoline in the USA to test the waters. Seems to be decent quality for the price point ($700 shipped), I also got their shower which again is plenty high enough quality for a shower/toilet cubicle.
    If I change out again it looks like the Bush Company is still one of the better go to's stateside like they are in OZ. South African's tend to make good gear, simple but effective and well thought out while being high quality.
    I used to own a Howling Moon RTT which is another SA company, and that thing was so well built.

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  21 день назад

      I know plenty of people who have been happy with their OVS gear, I think they do a good job, should serve you well. I'm always impressed with the gear out of South Africa, but man, it would break my budget to fully outfit with SA stuff! :-)

  • @CraigG21
    @CraigG21 Год назад

    Lots of great options!

  • @davidseck1146
    @davidseck1146 Год назад +1

    Actually, most of those awnings look pretty tough. The tuff stuff awning would be the only one I'd overlook personally. I have an Overland Pros awning and I love it. Depending on your application you'll need to make custom brackets as they only provide L brackets therfore the brackets won't work on rtt or pop up tent channels. I was able to get mine modified at a shop locally. I bought it at Expo pnw last year for around $900

  • @Brian.A.Simmons
    @Brian.A.Simmons Год назад

    Great video piecing all these awnings together! I would go with the Taruca or The Brush Company. Cheers!

  • @rossipremier
    @rossipremier Год назад +4

    I was at the show and can't remember if OVS was there or not, hoping to find some in depth reviews of their stuff. From what you saw, I really liked the 23zero, anyone who mentioned plastic in the hinge is out for me, and the 23zero guy hung on it, feels like that's the minimum strength test👍😂

    • @dalegear3539
      @dalegear3539 Год назад +5

      Regrettably, I purchased an OVS 270 degree awning several years ago. Planning on replacing it with a Bush Company 270XT. My OVS is easy to deploy but a real pain to get it zipped back up. So, I find myself not using it very much anymore. Also, the support poles on mine are rather flimsy. In the rain, mine sags really bad. Oh well, lesson learned. In my opinion, I made a bad decision based on pricing instead of being patient and waiting to buy quality.

    • @rossipremier
      @rossipremier Год назад +2

      @@dalegear3539 thanks for the insight and the feedback, getting it back into the bag has been the number one gripe I have read about and I could see that making it so you don't use it as much. And that's the whole point of having a quick deploying awning like that style instead of the ones that just shoot straight out and require legs.

    • @dalegear3539
      @dalegear3539 Год назад +2

      @@rossipremier Exactly!

  • @scottymac5174
    @scottymac5174 Год назад

    It's truly hard to find what is out there. People telling me I need A Kinsman. $2995.
    Glad you are doing the research Donald... I will just sit back here with my box of popcorn.🤘

  • @RatherBeWheeling
    @RatherBeWheeling Месяц назад +1

    Great video, thanks for showing these for comparison! Its pouring down rain right now as I try to finish my truck cap build. Water is streeming down my toppers back window (working outside, no shop) drenching my tailgate and back 2 feet of my bed and my super expensive brand new plywood lol. As I look for a way to stay dry when camping I notice a big issue with most of these awnings; a large gap at the back of the truck. Kind of defeats the purpose of an awning if I cant open the back up without soaking my setup, am I the only one who intends to use my tailgate as my workspace, cooking and entry into my truck? Is there a better solution to keeping the back end of the truck dry when out camping in rain, snow etc? Hearing the Yakima rep talk about how much it rains where they live... but seeing the massive gap over the tailgate made me laugh a little.

  • @joshcrawley1565
    @joshcrawley1565 Год назад +1

    The bushwhacker awning I know in Australia you can get a zip in the back section behind the vehicle to access a rooftop tent

  • @TUNDRALU
    @TUNDRALU Год назад

    Good video! I have the Alu-Cab 270 awning and there is a reason all the other makers are trying to copy it! Its the best! just my opinion! Go with whatever makes you feel good!

  • @BirdPhish
    @BirdPhish Год назад +1

    Hey Donald, I didn't order the awning Kimbo offered with my camper...trying to figure out a DIY option. The Darche 180 awning I had on my trailer I had got ripped out of the ground and blown upright like a huge sailfish out in the middle of nowhere...aka birdphish lol...out there in Owyhee Cyn. so I'm apprehensive of awnings now. Also beware of wall kits...waste of money imho ....I went to the trouble of making a video on my DIY awning repairs to fix damage caused by the wall kit I had.. Awesome meeting you and Jason and I also ran into Edward at the Expo...hope I didn't put you in a terrible spot with the One Wheel!

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад +1

      Haha, on the contrary, I was happy to give the One Wheel a new try, it was the best I've ever done on one, haha. I'm not convinced it's the portable electric vehicle for me, I need to spend more time with one before I decide to pull that particular trigger. 😄
      Whatever awning I get, I won't be adding a wall kit. I don't have room to cart around all that fabric, and I can sit inside my camper if the awning isn't shelter enough.
      It was awesome to finally meet! Thanks again for the time on your One Wheel!

    • @BirdPhish
      @BirdPhish Год назад

      @@softroadingthewest an inexpensive way to improve your balance, and have fun around a camp is a slack line....I filmed some rock climbers doing some extreme slack lining out in Alabama Hills recently and have a slow motion clip of one of them doing a double back yoda!...have a look at my video if you wondering what that is lol. but you could string a line between trees close to the ground...no risk

  • @robertnevarez7599
    @robertnevarez7599 9 месяцев назад +4

    I think there all great, but the most important thing is folks cook off there tailgate, the gap above is the problem when it comes to rain. There more like 250°

    • @TimTamTT
      @TimTamTT 8 месяцев назад

      This because I got a 270 and I got shorted at the tailgate lol😂

  • @jimmymcdonald1638
    @jimmymcdonald1638 7 месяцев назад +1

    Great job on this review

  • @tjkrueger2655
    @tjkrueger2655 Год назад

    Well, I for one, can't wait to see how you build your own now

  • @mdharrisuiuc
    @mdharrisuiuc Год назад +2

    I've got the Bushwakka (Taruka) awning and love it. Quality was good enough for my needs, but probably second to the Bush Company and Alucab ones. My only gripe is the "amber" LED is more of a a warm white, and it still attracts bugs. It is certainly more pleasant than the hard white LED color.

    • @-PORK-CHOP-
      @-PORK-CHOP- 2 месяца назад

      Agree, they should be putting Red Led instead of Amber, as bugs are still attracted to amber light.

  • @konakcc
    @konakcc 2 месяца назад

    I have the OVS 270 which is fine to deploy and setup but a pain in the rear to put back away. It would be great to review the procedures for putting each away and which are easier than others.

  • @dualsportjeff423
    @dualsportjeff423 Год назад

    I have the ovs 270. I like it because we left it deployed one night and the wind came up and was blowing 40mph. We did get up and close it but it took the 40mph wind for. Few hours. And the price is very reasonable.

  • @theboston3386
    @theboston3386 Год назад +6

    The Bush Company is the best hands down, then Bushwakka and then BYO since they just replicate.

    • @BelchevKalin
      @BelchevKalin Год назад +2

      That's what I was about to write. :)

  • @utahjohnnymontana3373
    @utahjohnnymontana3373 Год назад +1

    There's the Wraptor 270 by Overland Pros. I've looked at it and the Bush Co awning and I like them in theory but I have a hard time with the idea of hanging another 40-60 pounds all the way up at the highest part of the truck. Maybe its not an issue...I don't know.

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад

      Yeah, it's definitely a chunk of weight up there, though obviously lots of rigs run these, even rigs with a bunch of stuff already on the roof. I have effectively no weight up high and not too worried about getting up into the 50-60 pound area. If I was carrying gear, fuel, road shower, etc on the roof, weight might need to be a bigger consideration. I'll check out the Wraptor 270. I have to admit, I had no idea there were so many of these out there. I thought I might find four or five at Expo, LOL.

    • @hunter_pauley
      @hunter_pauley Год назад +1

      I have the overland pros wraptor 6k and the coverage is insane with it.

  • @FieldingSmith
    @FieldingSmith Год назад +2

    The yakima is new, but I really hope it turns out to be a good product. I have a topomap theme going on!

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад +1

      I agree, the Yakima is intriguing...they've picked up some key features of the South African designs but at a more accessible price. Plus as I'm based in Oregon, I like that it's a PNW company.

    • @michaelhwozdecki7381
      @michaelhwozdecki7381 Год назад

      The Yakima one is on sale through labor day on their website. I just ordered it. I like the topo design and the pole for rain run off.

  • @AdventurzAU
    @AdventurzAU 6 месяцев назад +6

    RipStop canvas was invented in the USA during WW2, it was patented 1May1962 inventors Louis Weiner and Harold H. Brandt. It is not something 'developed' in South Africa (I hate sales pitches)

    • @liamcooper5202
      @liamcooper5202 5 месяцев назад +1

      I must have missed that. Only watched TheBushCompany's in full, and Dean doesn't say that. So I'm guessing an inferior band 🤣

    • @AdventurzAU
      @AdventurzAU 5 месяцев назад

      @@liamcooper5202 @23:40 the spruiker mentions it being 'military grade called "RipStop" out of Africa'...

    • @liamcooper5202
      @liamcooper5202 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@AdventurzAUI mean, they could just be saying that's where their supplier is. They don't explicitly say it was invented in South Africa. Doesn't matter because I wouldn't buy it.

  • @ApexRR1
    @ApexRR1 6 месяцев назад

    Thanks!

  • @Blackplague17
    @Blackplague17 3 месяца назад

    I’d like to see your cooking setup with the awning deployed. Mainly cause I have an idea and I want to see how possible it is

  • @cage-rattler
    @cage-rattler Год назад +2

    My biggest concern with those type of awnings is the large gaps between the awning and the vehicle that let rain in. Especially at the back.
    Do any of those do a better job at closing that gap than others?

    • @waxifari5528
      @waxifari5528 Год назад +1

      You just have to mount it forward enough so the last panel covers wherever your “concern” area is. For me I have the back panel over the full topper rear door when it’s open. So the rain doesn’t even touch the open topper door and I’m under canvas and glass if I’m back there.

  • @herve160181
    @herve160181 4 месяца назад

    We have a budget brand freestanding 270 degree awning in Australia that retails for $350 AUD. And people love it.

    • @HaliHunters
      @HaliHunters 2 месяца назад

      which brand? have a link?

  • @scottymac5174
    @scottymac5174 Год назад

    Campers... You went with the Topo. I liked the Topo but they didn't offer a model for my truck. So I went with GFC. My camper is probably worth more than the High Blue Book value of my truck.
    You only live once... This new company... Super Pacific. Just saw one today and looked them up. Starting price: $13000.

    • @scottymac5174
      @scottymac5174 Год назад

      At least my car is non programmable.

  • @diypunx
    @diypunx Год назад +2

    So what awning are you thinking about going with? Have you had a chance to see the Free Spirit 270 awning in person? The free spirit looks like a good design that only weighs 37 lbs. The yakima might be a great deal if you can use a 20% off coupon from REI.

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад +4

      I haven't seen the Free Spirit in person, alas, though many people have sung its praises. It seems like a very solid choice. I do have an awning on the way, I may not have a video about it out before I head off to Expo Mtn West, but I'll certainly share on Instagram once I get it installed, hopefully mid-August-ish.

  • @Sergiop4x
    @Sergiop4x Год назад +1

    taruca looks solid
    budget wise.. it's hard to beat the OVS 180

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад +1

      OVS must've been at PNW...did you see them? I walked the entire show, every aisle, at least three times, and most of them more than that, somehow OVS got past me. I gotta have 270, I really need side and rear coverage with this setup. Still waffling between going as budget as possible or biting the bullet and getting something that'll last the rest of my life. 😄 It was great to meet you BTW, hopefully we'll cross paths again someday and get the Frontiers out on the trail!

    • @Sergiop4x
      @Sergiop4x Год назад

      @@softroadingthewest I didn't see them either! I'm in the same boat trying to stay in budget but also don't want to waste it on a crap product. Likewise Donald! I'm sure we will cross paths again.

    • @dalegear3539
      @dalegear3539 Год назад +1

      Bought an OVS 270 several years ago in an effort to stay in budget. It was a mistake and now I'm in the market for a new awning, probably a Bush Company 270XT.

  • @melissagreenmonstergirl
    @melissagreenmonstergirl 5 месяцев назад +1

    One of the awning manufacturers need to come up with a 360 awning that mounts in the center and covers the whole van but gives you a covered area around both sides that stick out about 10 feet. The reason is to keep the roof covered which keeps the van cooler in the summer. Problem is the center post would be too tall. I'm not an engineer so yall need to figure that out 😂

    • @liamcooper5202
      @liamcooper5202 5 месяцев назад

      It would have to be a left and right mount with some way of attaching then in the middle. There is not enough length across the back to make it up the sides

    • @ryanwhiskin5608
      @ryanwhiskin5608 Месяц назад +2

      Bushwakka (taruca) have on in Aus that is like 2 x 180 awnings with a connecting piece of fabric that almost achieves this.

  • @RDuude
    @RDuude Год назад

    Awesome video!

  • @TheWinwin4all
    @TheWinwin4all 3 месяца назад +2

    If I'd have $1500 burning my pockets, I'd buy bush company one. Till that time comes, I'll use 10x10x8 instant pop up tent for $150 ))

  • @durtyflyadventures
    @durtyflyadventures Год назад +1

    The last and most expensive one seemed to be the cheapest quality but I could be wrong. We have the ovs 270 for a few years and the only issue is the bag. Not good quality, the awning is awsome. It has heald up in the snow and rain and wind

    • @SoloHiker1
      @SoloHiker1 Год назад +1

      I was waiting her to grab a rail and swing from it. I would have been sold!

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад +2

      I think the appearance may be deceiving. I believe this to be a very solid, well-made awning. The one I was filming in their booth had been on this guy's truck for four years. I actually talked to him for a while, retired fellow using this setup a lot for years, and he raved about the abuse the awning has taken. All that said, there are a few details about their design that appeal to me less than some of the less-expensive options, and for the money, this would not be my choice. 🙂

    • @durtyflyadventures
      @durtyflyadventures Год назад

      @@softroadingthewest true, he had been using it for years. I agree the price is high and biggest thing for me was that it had to have one support to use and not free standing. I didn't realize how many awnings are out there now. Great video by the way

  • @mountainsnmoore256
    @mountainsnmoore256 Год назад

    Good information, thanks for sharing!

  • @JCreole
    @JCreole Год назад +3

    I just use a Coleman instant shade…..from Costco 😂

  • @victory-on-the-road
    @victory-on-the-road Год назад

    supper cool what a space ❤

  • @katzen-opa5400
    @katzen-opa5400 Год назад +3

    Which awning, do you think, can withstand a night of continuous rain?

    • @smamg2182
      @smamg2182 Год назад +1

      The bush Company Awning,period.

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад +4

      I'm sure any of these would be fine through a night of continuous rain. Clearly it would be wise to set up in a way that allows good drainage, as a number of these fellows described. I fully intend to be using whichever awning I get through continuous overnight rain...it's unavoidable for me here in western Oregon. 😄

    • @katzen-opa5400
      @katzen-opa5400 Год назад

      @@softroadingthewest Thanks a lot.

  • @HudsonZRoamer
    @HudsonZRoamer Год назад +2

    I’ve had both the Alu Cab 270 and QuickPitch 270 awnings and used them both extensively. I’d personally go with the QuickPitch awning as the hinge is much beefier than the Alu Cab one and holds up in extremely strong winds. QP posted a video of theirs from expo in strong winds a few years ago. I have no biased towards any brands and I def would purchase the QP one if I needed a 270 awning again.

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад +1

      Oh yeah, QuickPitch, I'll check it out for sure, thanks man!

  • @collinchinn
    @collinchinn Год назад

    Ed Shin cameo @19:04 lol

  • @es0terra
    @es0terra Год назад +4

    Donald….is it just me, or does the Alucab seem the lesser build quality and barebones of the bunch, yet one of the most expensive? I’m not impressed. I really liked the Taruca.

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад +1

      Despite the rectangular arms, in person the Alu-Cab actually gives the impression of being well designed and solid. I didn't get a good overall shot from a distance, but the way it sits actually inspires more confidence than some of the others, and Alu-Cab has a long history in the industry and a reputation for solid, reliable products. That said, if I was going to spend $1,500 on an awning (not likely LOL), the Alu-Cab would not be the one I would select. 🙂

    • @RickReardon
      @RickReardon Год назад +2

      @@softroadingthewest If you were spending $1500, and didnt purchase the Alu-Cab, which one would you go with? Great video BTW. I am personally leaning towards the FSR, but I am beginning to get analysis paralysis..

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад +3

      @@RickReardon Among what I saw in person, the Bush Company definitely feels like the gold standard. The fact that they don't include any legs at all tells me they have a LOT of confidence in the sturdiness of their hinge construction.
      I'm intrigued by the Yakima though. It incorporates features that I liked from both the Alu-Cab and the Bush Company, at a considerably lower price, and it's a PNW company. On the flip side, it's a new product that hasn't had a chance to accumulate any kind of track record.
      Analysis paralysis indeed, LOL. Honestly, I feel like most of us probably can't go wrong with any of these in the ~$1,000 & up range. Most people seem to be happy with whichever 270 they got.

  • @9gagerofl
    @9gagerofl Год назад +7

    Overland kings needs a better spokesperson. All ill say about that

    • @PreaFTW
      @PreaFTW Год назад +1

      Yea dude sounds baked

  • @rickschefers8067
    @rickschefers8067 Год назад +1

    I am looking at different options for my 14 x 7 cargo trailer do you think the 270 option would work?

  • @stayraddad4638
    @stayraddad4638 Год назад

    Very helpful thank you

  •  Год назад

    Thank you.

  • @Colesgotsteez
    @Colesgotsteez Год назад +1

    Does anyone have the roam 270? Curious how that one is

  • @kurtford4862
    @kurtford4862 Год назад +1

    Look at side winder 2 by care free of colorado I have two one on each side and another of the back for the back I have standard 8’ but I cut it down to fit, easy I have had them now for 20 years and use them all the time ,in every environment .mine are in a aluminum case that clicks open I like them better than the bag with a zipper .Don’t do the 270 they suck , by design they are two flat like a big sail I have seen them on vehicles completely blown over on there self twisted aluminum had to be cut away. I have also found a couple wrapt around cactus in baja abandoned. Another problem is in heavy down poor the area between the arms fill with water become pools and snap the poles, they now put eyelets in to try and direct the water but with them tied down in heavy rain the only thing they do is rip out the eyelets.why do they all offer replacement parts? Gimmick for newbs good for someone who will use it in fair weather .Get your buddy Jassons old awning you will be much happier

  • @mzlittle
    @mzlittle 2 месяца назад

    Most people in he comments seem to agree with the Bush Company's awing. My RUclips research also tells me the same. I'm about to make the purchase, I hope I'm right!

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  2 месяца назад

      That would have been my first choice as well, if I'd had the budget for it. It seems like the gold standard.

  • @oneplus2ins
    @oneplus2ins 2 месяца назад

    If money was no object, I'd buy the Bush Company awning. Until then, I'll keep using my big golf umbrella.

  • @sagebrushbob2321
    @sagebrushbob2321 Год назад +1

    Okay... I gotta know. Where's the bug? Either you keep reading my mind, or you have my workroom bugged. Which is it? I've been looking at 270 awnings, too, with the same thoughts as you. Just like the topper... and the winch... and the rear bumper... and the lights... This is getting eerie.
    In your case, the gap at the rear of the awning is really irrelevant. The rear hatch on the Topo will cover the gap when its open.
    Personally, I'm favoring the Yakima or the 23Zero right now. Good quality at the price range I'm willing to spend. It'll be fun to see what you come up with.

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад +2

      Great minds, Bob. :-) I was impressed with the Yakima. It picks up some key features of the South African designs, but at a more accessible price. I'm also looking at some interesting other options out there that weren't present at Expo PNW. I'm aiming to have an awning on the truck by mid-August and I'll get a video up about it as soon as I am able!

  • @cjphillips2716
    @cjphillips2716 10 месяцев назад +2

    The hardest part to using these out in the elements is putting them away solo. Wish we could’ve seen that as well.

  • @strathound
    @strathound 7 месяцев назад

    Would all of these work with an iKamper too? Or would it interfere with the rooftop tent clamshell folding over?

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  7 месяцев назад +1

      I'm not familiar with the iKamper, but I think it would simply be a function of what kind of mounting space you have available. I would think you would need an awning that mounts on the opposite side from where your iKamper opens. I don't know how far the iKamper foldout extends out from your vehicle, but I _doubt_ it's enough to clear one of these awnings, so the deployed awning would prevent access up and down from the RTT. Note also that these are pretty tall when folded up and enclosed in the bag...like probably 8-10" depending on the model. My suggestion would be to look at the setups of other people who have iKampers and see how any of them are running awnings. Good luck!

  • @brandtdaniels
    @brandtdaniels Год назад +2

    Donald, I always hear good things about Overland Vehicle Systems (OVS) 270° awnings. Check them out as well!

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад

      For sure. I've seen the OVS on a lot of rigs. If they were at Expo PNW, I somehow missed them.

  • @JeffCanyon
    @JeffCanyon Год назад +1

    Great awning demo, so what are you going to use for your rig? Thanks Jeff

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад +2

      Video on that coming very soon!

    • @jimrice4699
      @jimrice4699 6 месяцев назад

      I'll add, the absence of the OVS is somewhat glaring. Better price point, offered by major overloading shops and in all appearances and reviews I have seen it seems to be top shop materials (in contrast with some of the others out there...).

  • @stevencondron9355
    @stevencondron9355 Год назад +3

    Best awning is Ostrich awning made in South Africa nothing comes close to it

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  Год назад +1

      I was really hoping they (or their US distributor) would be at Expo PNW. The Ostrich Wing Jr is one of the options I already had my eye on before going into this, and I really wanted to see it in person. It looks awesome.

    • @-PORK-CHOP-
      @-PORK-CHOP- 2 месяца назад

      @@softroadingthewest Aussie here, Ostrich are not that popular out here, the design is weak, did you end up getting an awning ?

    • @softroadingthewest
      @softroadingthewest  2 месяца назад

      @@-PORK-CHOP- I did, but it's none of these. A new start-up here in the US, Reign Outdoor, offered to let me test their 270. It's not quite Bush Company level, but it's closer to what my mostly budget-minded viewers would consider and included the details I was looking for. Reign ended up tweaking their awning a bit based in part on my initial feedback and I now actually have their 2nd-gen version on my truck.
      First version:
      ruclips.net/video/HPyhi8JU_8E/видео.html
      Second gen:
      ruclips.net/video/mj7iic2JBUU/видео.html

  • @johndj7524
    @johndj7524 7 месяцев назад

    Can someone explain to me taruca(by bushwakkka)? Is it different? From bushwakkas own awning?

  • @CallsignVega
    @CallsignVega 9 месяцев назад

    Hard case 270 or bust.

  • @big_bird8597
    @big_bird8597 Год назад +3

    lol they all the same from the same factories they just put their sticker on it, so rally your decision should come down to which looks best and who offers the best warranty

    • @vaskodimoski5690
      @vaskodimoski5690 Год назад +1

      Some are not all

    • @big_bird8597
      @big_bird8597 Год назад +1

      @@vaskodimoski5690 yes sorry the same 3 factories

    • @6806goats1
      @6806goats1 Год назад +1

      Sure looks like it to me. Thinking about building it myself but since size is an issue and trying to keep it compact I think I'll go with a single arm and not the truss method. The truss is stronger but since I'll add side panels I still want support rods.

    • @-PORK-CHOP-
      @-PORK-CHOP- 2 месяца назад

      Not the Australian Made ones, we have many local manufacturers of these awnings, probably 30 different brands here that don't export to USA.

    • @-PORK-CHOP-
      @-PORK-CHOP- 2 месяца назад

      @@6806goats1 The truss design is far superior, the U channel type are useless they bend too easily.

  • @darincarner9751
    @darincarner9751 Год назад

    Hey Donald! What do you have for a rear bumper system there!!?? I dig that setup

    • @darthmatt4120
      @darthmatt4120 Год назад

      i'm pretty sure he made it himself. I think he has videos of welding his own bumpers, if I am remembering correctly.

  • @crayelazlo5113
    @crayelazlo5113 6 месяцев назад +11

    There is nothing about any of these that screams they are worth $1500.

    • @melissagreenmonstergirl
      @melissagreenmonstergirl 5 месяцев назад

      Not all are 1500. The 23 zero is under 1000

    • @airooter
      @airooter 3 месяца назад

      @@melissagreenmonstergirl where? I see $1100 + shipping

    • @demolitionbmxd
      @demolitionbmxd 22 дня назад

      Same goes for most offroad/4x4/van life accessories. 4x4/overlanding market is a bit more niche so you tend to pay a little excess to keep the businesses afloat in my experience, but overall if it's a quality canvas or blend cover, that plus the raw material bring a lot of these up to $4-500, then you have to pay overheads, employees, distribution. A lot of vanlife geared equipment is just blatant rip off.
      Look at offroad/van barwork as well, people pay like $1200 for just a rear door ladder on sprinters.

  • @jaypikachu6660
    @jaypikachu6660 Год назад +6

    South Africa labor rates cheaper then China and seller still want $1700 for a awning, cost more then American made awning😂

    • @-PORK-CHOP-
      @-PORK-CHOP- 2 месяца назад

      Correct, Alu Cab stuff in Australia is a major rip-off

  • @overland8081
    @overland8081 Год назад +6

    You can spend thousands if you want all the latest greatest stuff but for me my opinion is that all this gear has gotten way out control with pricing and I just kinda seems like me its all about who has all the expensive gear and fanciest overland rig. I've been adventuring since the 80s and I've found multiple ways to easily have a very comfortable setup with out having to spend all that cash.yes somethings you might have to spend for like my artic coolers and my jackery but its just seems like its a competition on who have the fanciest set up. Half these rigs I see on the road don't have a scratch in em or an once of dust on em from actually getting off the beaten path. Just my opinion

    • @rowdyrobbyrider4226
      @rowdyrobbyrider4226 11 месяцев назад +2

      I agree. They spend all that money and don’t have any left to go on any real adventures so they just drive to Starbucks. I’d rather put that money into experiences.

    • @jimrice4699
      @jimrice4699 6 месяцев назад +1

      True, I'm of the same or older vintage and have been doing stuff like this forever.
      HOWEVER, I have lived in WA state for about 30 years now, somehow I aged and became weaker and less limber 🤔 and somewhat less inclined to set up camp and independent freestanding rainflies solo in the dark or in the rain if I don't need to.
      I have a new vehicle that I am outfitting. My pop up topper will have a reasonably large canopy installed - probably a 270 because it can be very rainy much of the year. I also have a propane heater in the topper. Those two things will enable me to comfortably go to the Olympic coast ANY time of year (imagine the tranquility during a nice March, April, or May week during a forecasted break in the weather (the coast stays above freezing mostly).
      I have some very nice "wing" style rainflies that I could deploy and likely will if space is limiting for the attached canopy or other reasons. Nonetheless, I'll spend the money for the option to pull up to a camping area on a drizzly evening and deploy the canopy - all while maybe waiting a day or two for things to dry up before hiking up into the mountains .... But I'm disinclined to buy the most expensive versions.
      I also wish they could be easily removed and re-installed.