Alabama Gov. signs bill to protect IVF

[@avataryellow]

So...the official stance is, "An embryo is a person when it's convenient for our politics, and not a person when it's inconvenient?"

[@aaliyah7792]

Yep.

[@WeaponizedGoochsweat]

Statement goes for both sides

[@avataryellow]

@WeaponizedGoochsweat I'm pretty sure one side says that an embryo is not a person. Ever. Please correct me if I'm wrong though.

[@WeaponizedGoochsweat]

@@avataryellow pretty sure a few dudes in Alabama don't represent the whole political side of pro life no more than the doctors in New York killing babies after birth represent pro choice.
So yeah.

[@degarri7995]

@@baileymiller1644nuance determines if it’s self defense or not, if you don’t mean to do harm but you kill someone it’s manslaughter, if it were consistent Ivf deaths would be manslaughter. We are Americans tho we don’t like moral consistency. We just like to appear consistent while being as hypocritical as we can.

[@chesthoIe]

So if we have blastocysts frozen in Alabama, they are our children. Can we take them home and put them in our own freezers? Can we claim them as dependents on our child tax credit?

[@x.s5162]

They wouldn't even have to be in your home freezer. If you pay more than 50% of the childs bills you get to claim them(aka bording schools and hospitals living children count) so since you are paying for 100% of their care(paying for their upkeep in the freezer) you get to claim them as dependents.
Its going to be fought but law wize the wording is there to probably win in court or revoke the other dumb bill saying they are living kids. Like the pregnant lady in texas driving in carpool lane (2+ people in car, children count) and getting tickets but fighting them because shes pregnant and a fetus past 6weeks was deemed a living child equal to a birthed one.

[@kabine1]

Kinda crazy how all those blastocysts have different unique DNA huh?

[@ngotemna8875]

​@@kabine1 Kinda crazy how that's also true for cancer but i don't see you trying to force people to keep that

[@kabine1]

@@ngotemna8875 cancer cells share the same DNA as the human it mutates in. Pretty easy google research NGL.

[@Aabergm]

@@ngotemna8875 Of course not, that affects men.

[@kaydim5921]

Alabama really is wild

[@NightwolfRainbow6Siege]

As someone from Alabama, you don’t know the half of it…

[@theseeker4249]

@@NightwolfRainbow6SiegeI second this

[@streamerssaymyname]

Alabama is nothing if not pro-family 😅

[@1eyedwilli3]

@@streamerssaymynameI have lived here for 13 years. They got rid of free summer lunch at the schools. It’s socialism.
My wife and I paid off the local elementary schools lunch debt for poor kids.
All these “ Christian people” and round and it took this agnostic guy and his wife to do the right thing.
This state is 40 years behind the rest of the world. And I kid you not it only takes a 10 min drive from my house to end up in places that look like Somalia.

[@benjordan1971]

​@@streamerssaymynamepro family unless ivf parents lol.

[@MexiSword]

In Alabama frozen embryos are considered people.
It also means black embryos can now be charged as an adult.

[@johnnickfanaccount3492]

What are you even talking about

[@maarten1115]

​@johnnickfanaccount3492 Children who commit crimes can sometimes be charged as adults. Being charged means that a public prosecutor brings you before a court to try and have you judged for your alleged crime. Mexi's comment satirises the justice systems' tendency to charge afro american minors as adults (because adults can be given harsher punishments).

[@johnnickfanaccount3492]

@@maarten1115that's not really an African American thing, if a 16-17 year old commits a heinous crime (like murder, armed robbery, etc) they will likely be charged as an adult yes

[@airstriker108]

@@johnnickfanaccount3492yeah you’re right it’s not an African American thing it affects all minorities as well

[@johnnickfanaccount3492]

@@airstriker108 are you trying to say that teenagers in 'minority' groups commit more heinous crimes ?

[@Insidous_saint]

Alabamas 45th rank education is showing.

[@sunshinelizard1]

Well, when they put more thought and passion into frozen embryos than living children, this is what happens.

[@Brandon-gz9nx]

Cool it with the racism

[@tpd1864blake]

@@sunshinelizard1poor education caused that decision, not the other way around

[@aliceslab]

​@@tpd1864blakesome of them understand meiosis they just dont agree that a precursor is a precursor, they think its a full grown human.
which is the most absurd part is that some already know the process they just refuse to look at it accurately which is more frustrating than just ignorant people

[@tpd1864blake]

@@aliceslab philosophically, I think human life begins when an embryo is able to live on its own outside the mother. Of course nowadays, an egg can be fully developed artificially from an incubation machine, so I think an exclusion should be made that it has to be able to survive without incubation equipment. Then the point at which that transition occurs should be determined with that in mind

[@fireant202]

So…what about miscarriages? The original ruling is still extremely flawed even with a bill adding a carve out for IVF.

[@ChronoSoul]

I don't think miscarriages are affected. D&Cs to remove dead fetuses from the womb are still permitted.

[@anthonyhubbard8]

@@ChronoSoulthe fetus is not always dead in the womb.
Sometimes it will only die once delivered, but that puts the mother at a much higher chance of death not to mention having to go months carrying what they know will be an unviable birth

[@fireant202]

@@ChronoSoul it doesn't take much imagination to see how bad actors could exploit such a precedent. What if a woman does something that subjectively endangers her unborn child or causes a miscarriage? Could someone pursue charges of "reckless endangerment" or "manslaughter"? My point is just that anything that moves us closer to fetal personhood is such a slippery slope that the idea shouldn't even be entertained.

[@johnnickfanaccount3492]

​@@fireant202It's not a slippery slope. Nobody is trying to criminalize a miscarriage because that is not really a preventable thing nor was it intentional, nor is it an issue. People want to criminalize abortion because it is the INTENTIONAL killing of a fetal human life with malice and aforethought

[@yuvalne]

well, considering there are already women in jail for stillbirths...

[@CoolKnight4722]

We’re living in a time where someone’s uterus is valued more than themself
Do you think a period is considered manslaughter now?

[@seantaggart7382]

Ye

[@robertm3329]

How is this challenging the person themselves?

[@cluckerchick9425]

Probably, some people are just ridiculous...

[@wheezer6695]

You really need to stop reading Salon and WaPo

[@ObiwanNekody]

Not sure, but sometimes a miscarriage is treated as such.

[@mapratt]

Who's going to write a bill to protect us from Alabama politicians and their "court system"?

[@XxShadow101xX]

It's called the 2nd Amendment, lmao

[@taternater7495]

it’s called the bill of rights

[@678friedbed]

​@@taternater7495 the courts sided with the bill of rights.

[@aboveaero]

Soooo, can they claim them as dependents on their taxes?

[@NINacide]

I want all of those people counted in the census and the representatives in the house to be adjusted accordingly

[@michaelvossen7253]

This small town has 20,000 residents. But 2,000 are kept in a freezer.

[@NINacide]

@michaelvossen7253 my county has more people in it than utah. I want my haploid zygotes counted

[@NINacide]

@michaelvossen7253 p.s. i feel like a 3/5ths compromise reference is hiding around the corner

[@YashBeanz]

​@@NINacideI see that you have taken AP Bio and APUSH

[@user-sw6fr5xx8q]

@@NINacide erm actually 🤓 a zygote is a diploid cell.

[@Rumade]

Banning abortion is not pro-family. Many pregnancies each year are terminated by women who already have children. They choose to terminate because they don't have the health or resources to birth another, and want to be there for the existing family.
If you want to be pro-family, fund family planning access, and childcare.

[@MRSD45]

They don't want family planning at all. They are attacking all forms of family planning, from sex education, to BC, IVF, emergency contraception, and of course abortion.

[@hatkid3093]

Then don't get pregnant

[@hironguyen1708]

If the US was pro-family, there would be paid maternity leave (and many many many other law benefit family).
No, they are pro-labour and pro-consumer.

[@Aaron-hh8nx]

Then control yourself instead of killing

[@Camarila]

don't forget about ectopian pregnancies. fun little things they are 🙄 (sarcasm)
and some choose abortion because they don't want to pass their own illnesses like HIV positive.

[@medcastrophilip544]

Its crazy how they are picking and choosing what supports their agenda, if you want to ban it then go all the way with it and suffer the full consequences with your full chest

[@bobbyhilvert107]

Right if you actually truly believe that embryos are people you can’t make an exception for IVF.
I don’t believe this but it’s inconsistent to allow ivf and allow fertility clinics to keep or get rid of unused embryos but then say it’s immoral for a woman to do the exact same thing.
liFe BEgiNs aT incEPTion and all that.

[@luxintenebris1776]

The ruling was only in regards to whether or not a clinic was liable for damages when the clinic allowed a random person to walk into their supposedly secure laboratory freezer and destroyed embryos that two couples had spent thousands on.
The clinic told the couples they were SoL. The couples sought damages.
Previous court rulings had already established that wrongful death of a minor laws were applicable during pregnancies.
The Court only ruled that in matters of negligence, the wrongful destruction of embryos was covered by existing law, and that clinics could be held liable for the negligent destruction of embryos.

[@TheJLH]

@@luxintenebris1776if pro life were being ideologically consistent, they’d be banning IVF. But we all know they’re hypocrites.

[@robertnett9793]

That's what happens if you a) either cough up a law without thinking about the implications to fields you didn't anticipate
Or b) you making a law that's meant to do something different, than what you wrote on the tin can and now wonder, why it backfires.
By the way...wouldn't arrest pregnant women than be unlawful incarceration of the embryo?

[@solitarelee6200]

This doesnt make a lot of sense to me, the embryos are people but if IVF kills them its fine?? 😂😂😂 Yall arent even pretending anymore.

[@Real_Beaky]

Exactly. The party that is allegedly "pro-life" from conception just admitted that an embryo is not actually worthy of legal protections. The cognitive dissonance is wild.

[@carus6280]

It's a tough one. The Pro Life community is a bit divided. Many oppose IVF, but others require the embryo to be inside a person first.
TBH though it just seems like politics.

[@kabine1]

Scientifically we know each blastocyst have unique DNA. So we know that each one has the potential to develop into a individual smartphone wielding keyboard warrior. But the pro lifers realized that people who use IVF have a lot of money and they would rather beg for donations than stand on their morals

[@midnight8341]

​@@kabine1each cancerous tumor also has its own unique DNA different from the person around it. Also, identical twins do not (for all intents and purposes). That's not a scientific criterion for their developmental potential.

[@robertnett9793]

@@carus6280 The embryo needs to be in a person to count as 'living' first? That's some olympic level mental gymnastics...

[@Nev4da]

If a frozen IVF embryo is a person then I should be able to claim each of them as a dependent on my taxes.
If courts want to rule like this then take it to the logical conclusion.

[@ladyyoung6558]

Yea, but since the IVF center technically has custody of the embryos ( or they would unfreeze and die), then that would mean the IVF center has the legal dependents and not you. You pay child support in the form of cryogenic upkeep fees. 😅

[@dianapennepacker6854]

I'm pro life sort of. Like you can go ahead, but you are killing a baby. Should get a fine or even a misdemeanor if you keep doing it. Take some responsibility.
Yet this is just ridiculous. Like you said then all the laws and taxes should apply if they treat it like so.
Also literally basing the law off religion should be a big no. Imagine if that backfired eventually too, and Muslims take office somewhere and start doing it. They would lose their minds, but they are the ones who started allowing religion in to mix.

[@joeyhandles]

@@dianapennepacker6854 an abortion tax with a multiplier effect. who can get the highest score?

[@ilia4751]

​@dianapennepacker6854 so your against Muslims?

[@ChronoSoul]

As a pro-life person, yes! I wish we were more logically consistent on this point!

[@robertjames8220]

So what they did was to identify destroying an embryo as "killing a child", and then carved out a circumstance where killing a child is not going to be pursued as a crime. And then they boasted about it. It was a terrible, terrible decision by their Court, and they're trying to paper over it.

[@luxintenebris1776]

The ruling was only in regards to whether or not a clinic was liable for damages when the clinic allowed a random person to walk into their supposedly secure laboratory freezer and destroyed embryos that two couples had spent thousands on.
The clinic told the couples they were SoL. The couples sought damages.
Previous court rulings had already established that wrongful death of a minor laws were applicable during pregnancies.
The Court only ruled that in matters of negligence, the wrongful destruction of embryos was covered by existing law, and that clinics could be held liable for the negligent destruction of embryos.

[@robertjames8220]

@@luxintenebris1776 You are dead wrong. The ruling established that frozen embryos are the same as children in the eyes of the law. No mention of a limitation of "negligence" was made. That's why the IVF services in the state halted immediately, as the ruling made the common practice -- not negligence -- of destroying some embryos during the IVF process the same as killing a child. The clinics there didn't incur the significant cost risk of halting their operations, believing that only negligence would be at issue.

[@michaelolatunji2100]

But not from civil lawsuits…

[@Science__Politics]

I'm pretty sure it prevents civil or criminal lawsuits

[@dammitdan1662]

@@Science__Politicsif the bill gets challenged, the Supreme Court can easily overturn it. It goes against their ruling.

[@Gamecubesupreme]

@@dammitdan1662You do realize legislators can overrule court decisions, right?

[@sofiadragon6520]

Yes, but if this does go to court I don’t see how they cam do anything but overturn their previous position or overturn this law. This is, unfortunately, the process needed to fix this situation. Any radical position breaks how our laws are meant to work, damaging the rights of some (many Jews value the life and mental welfare of the mother over an unborn child, for example) and the stance that a single fertilized cell is as valuable as a born human life is both radical and not a majority opinion.
All these old men who haven't given a single thought to human biology since that one half-wrong abstinence only sex Ed class they had in the 1970's need to spend half an hour refreshing their understanding of how women work.

[@dammitdan1662]

@@Gamecubesupremeyou realize that Alabama is run by conservative hyper-religious zealots who believe that science is the devil, right?

[@Raechel11]

Don't forget your government permission slip for your body because freedom reasons.
For people who claim such moral high ground, they sure go to a great effort not to do anything to help ordinary people.

[@Duckshoe398]

You dont even know what youre complaining about

[@JTM56]

Your just yapping at this point

[@Raechel11]

@SneakySneakerton says the person who doesn't even make a point in their statement lmfao. Also with all that is going on how was that statement how is that statement supposed to offend? Also what do you even want because you aren't even telling people.... I'm not sure why you like the idea of taking away women's freedom but whatever your reasoning you aren't doing it any favors. Lol or maybe this is a bit serious I got another comment that might as well be the same lol 😂 I'm just going to copy and paste this to them as well. Y'all make it far too easy to run circles around you.

[@Raechel11]

@@JTM56 Says the person who doesn't even make a point in their statement lmfao. Also with all that is going on how was that statement how is that statement supposed to offend? Also what do you even want because you aren't even telling people.... I'm not sure why you like the idea of taking away women's freedom but whatever your reasoning you aren't doing it any favors. Lol or maybe this is a bit serious I got another comment that might as well be the same lol 😂 I'm just going to copy and paste this to them as well. Y'all make it far too easy to run circles around you.

[@JTM56]

@@Raechel11 you didn’t make a statement in your comment, my statement was that you didn’t say anything. Also that isn’t taking women’s rights

[@cadetpatricia3921]

If pro-life are serious enough about life from moment of fertilization, why not allow embryos to be claimed as dependents? Cover costs for frozen storage as daycare?

[@foolishgamer99]

Pray for women’s rights to return to Alabama some day

[@JTM56]

Women have just the same rights in Alabama as anywhere else

[@foolishgamer99]

@@JTM56 in New York they have the right to abort a fetus

[@JTM56]

@@foolishgamer99 that’s murder not a right. A women can go and do whatever they want that isn’t murder In Alabama.

[@foolishgamer99]

@@JTM56 You can’t end a life if it hasn’t started. A woman’s body is a woman’s choice.

[@johnnickfanaccount3492]

​@@foolishgamer99 A human fetus is alive as per biological definition. To oppose this would be to oppose science, and even the pro abortion biologists have admitted the fact. Planned Parenthood itself has admitted this.

[@yyyyyk]

If embryos are people then flour is pizza.
Next time you order pizza, the delivery guy will bring you a bag of flour and say: "here's your pizza".

[@gusehrr]

Yeah but flour isn’t pizza. This is just a dumb analogy

[@christinabutterfield1801]

​@@gusehrr Embryos aren't people

[@Eutropios]

​​@@gusehrrright, and embryos aren't people. Thanks for agreeing!

[@AuroraBlacke]

@@gusehrr That went right over your poor little head, didn't it, darling?

[@kabine1]

Papa Murphy's actually does this.

[@justliza4eva]

The bill still doesn't say blastocysts are not people. This is so wild.

[@DrFunkman]

Yeah, not all of them are coming back though. A good portion of the big ones were scared off completely. Why risk millions from a different ruling when you could just leave?

[@DahVoozel]

Wait til they hear what happens to frozen embryos once the family is done "growing".

[@Markephillips77]

The commitment to have different colored notebooks and different poofy pens is what makes this quality content.

[@eshuorishas9987]

I feel like a child just watching your pens move and having to rewatch it.

[@Jon651]

"Why did you do that?"
"Because we never think through the possible consequences, nor do we listen to dissenting positions when making a decision, that's why! And the only reason why we changed our collective mind was because the press was bad for us. Next question?"

[@Akriashi]

So does Alabama not have laws against, I don't know.....destruction of property/ vandalism / wrongful harm/etc..?

[@TheRambunctious]

That’s actually insane??? Why are lab grown embryos dead but an embryo in a womb is alive? I’m so confused???
Edit: The reason I am confused is because I have a BSc in biology. No biologist has ever said that an IVF embryo is more or less alive than any other embryo

[@RockiestRock]

It's because society is wrestling with itself to figure out where to draw the line on these things. Many people want to stop abortions, as those fetuses could grow into babies and then adults if no medical intervention is performed. The stance that some people took led to all embryos being considered full people, which ended up causing issues for IVF and therefore issues for family planning.
This isn't a cut and dry issue between two opposing viewpoints, but rather a very complex ethical and moral discussion between millions of people simultaneously.

[@tscimb]

​@@RockiestRockRather than a discussion between a family and their doctor.

[@johnnickfanaccount3492]

They are both alive by definition. It is completely immoral to freeze an embryo as in the process of IVF. IVF and abortion should be gone

[@Forsakenruler]

@@RockiestRockhere’s my solution just leave it up as a option and that’s it cause I mean what do you do if you got pregnant can’t afford to have the child the father ran and your barely surviving by yourself bring a kid wouldn’t be good for him or the mother

[@keagaming9837]

You might want to take a science class.

[@zareien2290]

Question: are there law firms out there that take test cases just to expose messed up inconsistencies in the law? I would have a field day with these laws

[@krisbaker4095]

So the guy that went in and destroyed the expensive embryos that were not his that started this case in the first place would not be charged. This bill totally makes sense. Do lawmakers even think about long term consequences? I am thinking no.

[@neonradius]

I should be able to get life insurance payments for destroying those embryos. Hell, I should be getting life insurance for miscarrying. It’s a person, right?

[@Mglay556]

Can the courts make a bill that forces the state of Alabama to try and raise the education standards for their state?

[@DrMattHH]

bUt StAtEs RiGhTs...

[@oldman8996]

No

[@DrMattHH]

Technically no, because the legislature creates bills & statutes. But if you mean can the courts (either state or federal) determine that a state is not complying with required educational standards, then absolutely yes they can.

[@yaang9258]

No one has the right to tell another person what they can and can not do with their bodies!
#isupportwomenschoice

[@FM682thecreatorguy]

Your body is different from the baby’s body

[@yaang9258]

@@FM682thecreatorguy you're talking to someone who views a fetus as a parasite, do you really think you're going to change my mind?

[@FM682thecreatorguy]

@@yaang9258 do you even know what a parasite is?

[@yaang9258]

@@FM682thecreatorguy parasite: noun a life form that use another life form as a host for nutrients, transportation, shelter/protection to further its development.

[@protoi703]

@MR.FM682 The "baby" increases your risk of death and bodily harm. No one has the right to force a person to risk their life. It has to be consensual. To avoid hypocrisy blood, bone marrow, plasma and organ donations should be mandatory. Sure there are risks but it would save so many lives. Upon death people's organs should automatically be donated despite the person's wishes or religious beliefs. All these options are pro life, debatably safer than pregnancy, yet we don't force people. Odd how a corpse has more protection than women.

[@OwDaOm]

Every day I'm more relieved to be a man with how this country's going. I wouldn't wanna have to deal with my own bodily autonomy being politicized.

[@RTMonitor]

Just because you're comfortable for being a man doesn't mean that you're safe. We're all affected by anyone who are causing disturbance of our humanity that isn't fair for everyone.

[@thethumbisafinger]

why is it a child? it doesn’t even have both sets of genes
edit: they do have both sets of genes, mb. the question remains, tho.

[@RockiestRock]

Actually, these embryos are the result of fertilized eggs undergoing embryo culture. These embryos have unique diploid human genomes, leading to the controversy we have now.

[@DrMattHH]

It's not a child in any meaningful sense. These people only believe it is because they think their dumb book says it is. (FYI: Their book doesn't really say that.)
Actually, the real reason they believe it is that they and their parents are easily manipulated by politicians, but that's a longer story.

[@montesforeman5079]

​@@DrMattHHPeople believe it is a child because scientifically it is. It's basic biology that human life is created at fertilization. The argument that it not legally a child because you cant claim it on your taxes falls flat.
The real question is, why are so many people determined to uphold the abortion industry that disporportionately targets the killing of minorities, and was expressly created to do so.

[@scarlet16moons5]

So at what point can we start suing cancer for forcing us to get a histerectomy to survive?

[@Winston819]

me about to claim 37 dependants on my taxes

[@JABRIEL251]

Look, I wanna say Ivey did a good, but that's giving credit for a problem you had a major hand in causing

[@Krikket-hm6pz]

Frozen corporations are people.

[@carus6280]

Im wondering if this law will stand up as the court relied on the Alabama Constitution which presumably trumps this law.

[@carlwheezer1030]

Frozen embryos are people hahahahaha conservatives are so weird, embryos are people but lgbt or racial minorities arent

[@waldowin23]

well to be fair a frozen embryo isnt going to groom children, steal hellcats or immigrate illegally and destroy my country so a state can get more electoral votes

[@WeaponizedGoochsweat]

You don't seem to have a good grasp on any of this if this is your takeaway

[@toothcruncher]

@@WeaponizedGoochsweat so sayeth WeaponizedGoochsweat
great name, but their takeaway was fine. frozen embryos being classified as ppl while lgbt and minority rights are taken away and treated subhuman is ridiculous

[@WeaponizedGoochsweat]

@@toothcruncher no, it's entirely not. There is no right that minorities and LGBT don't have that everyone other than them do. Therefore, saying that we consider them to not be people is ridiculous hyperbole, and entirely separate from the point of the video.

[@toothcruncher]

@@WeaponizedGoochsweat de jure rights and de facto rights are two entirely different things. also simply saying “they have rights so we don’t treat them badly” is so ridiculous… you think racism was solved in 1965?

[@ItsABucket]

Alabama really is "Pro-Family" sweet home Alabama

[@ScaryPink]

Is not a person if u can freeze them...

[@eustatic3832]

Pro life is coocoo bananas

[@prestongarvey7014]

Why is that?

[@seantaggart7382]

Yea

[@cluckerchick9425]

Exactly, some 'pro-life' states considered the DEATH penalty for abortion... Something tells me it's not entirely about protecting human life... Hmm... 🤔

[@skinnypete3104]

Its not pro life. They don’t give a damn about women’s lives. Its anti choice. We need to call them out properly

[@prestongarvey7014]

@@skinnypete3104 it’s not anti choice. It’s not wanting babies to die. I’m pro life and yes I do agree with abortion in specific cases but most abortions are just people having sex and not wanting the consequences of it

[@bearb1asting]

Glad your videos are taking off

[@ADP057]

They're a whole Newspaper my guy

[@bearb1asting]

@@ADP057 yeah. It's nice to see real content.

[@ADP057]

@@bearb1asting true i enjoy it too

[@lynjohnston2663]

I have a question about this ruling, did they really think that a frozen embryo was a person or did they do that so that someone could be held liable for destroying them without permission, was there no other way to accomplish that? Because i do think those people did deserve compensation for those embryos even though they werent people

[@Netti103]

Someone deserves so much credit for choosing the colors with the pens and notebook on these sets-it looks amazing

[@TJ-vh2ps]

We live in a world where “extra-uterine unborn child” is now a thing. 🤦‍♂️

[@toothcruncher]

yeah fr they should just call them damn embryos, not children, theyre not developed yet

[@xenthia]

These shorts got the algorithm right, good job WP.

[@Leonlion0305]

We are actually approaching something similar to what George Carlin discussed "is fetus human?" back in 1996, dude is almost 30 years ahead of his time than the government.

[@ItsMeBeeee]

They really be out here trying to say sperm is a human at this point

[@WeaponizedGoochsweat]

Embryo isn't a sperm

[@the_indecisiveartist_5850]

​​​​@@WeaponizedGoochsweat But it has the POTENTIAL to create life. It takes two to tango. By this logic sperms should also be considered life since it is the potential for it just like a blastocyst (an unfertalized egg).
Why don't we ban rubber protection, vasectomies, tube tying, ban that people are allowed to have periods since an blastocyst is discarded through the process, what about guy's private activites which lead to a waste of sperm, and consider blastocysts (an unfertalized egg) people too?
And if I recall correctly, some conservatives disagree with birth control!
Do you see the issue? Not to mention the WILD unbalanced relationship since these laws mainly affect women! I came from a conservative family, am agnostic, belive in protection, am personally pro-life, but pro choice. It's not that I don't want to take away people's rights to belive what they belive, but they can't force everyone to bend to thier will.

[@queenboudicca31]

So...a canister has more rights than an Alabama woman ...

[@Keirebu1]

The pom pom pens are too much

[@waffleface5940]

Its funny

[@merloni7642]

But if an embryo is alive than so is a fetus

[@violetscreaming]

This one is tough. I see the need to protect peoples embryos as that might be their only chance of ever having children and ivf clinics should be held accountable for negligence. But embryos regularly die during thawing and of course defining them as people is very scary in terms of how that affects abortion care.
We don’t want to end up in a world where women who miscarry or go into premature labour and lose their baby are charged with murder.

[@iplaywhatiwant3738]

When are they going to call cancer cells life?

[@carultch]

They always have been called life.

[@Darkhonores]

Way to go American politics 👌

[@TheTee5231976]

The original law came about due to a woman who didn't work at the clinic got into the room where the embryos were frozen and she proceeded to take some out, froze her hand, dropped the embryos, and destroyed them. The couple sued the clinic and since embryos weren't considered people, the court made them 'people' so they families could sue to clinic. The way the new law was written it blocks the couples from suing the clinic who should be held liable since they didn't protect access to the embryos enough that their possible children were lost against their wishes. The law should have been written in a better way so that they still could have sued the clinic for their loss. We need a justice system that protects people over profits

[@JadeDarkness8822]

Should sue the couple who started all this chaos just to get more money from the clinic.

[@abithefallenhuman921]

If an embryo is a person because it has the chance of becoming one, I shouldn't pay taxes because I'm dead, since I'll most likely become a corpse at some point

[@MarkkuS]

Hats off to wapo for these news. Remarkably neutral.

[@WeaponizedGoochsweat]

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[@rivitraven]

According to the Alabama ruling, killing a frozen embryo (or simply letting it die by neglecting to nurture it) would now be considered murder.

[@potmki6601]

Shows that you need more than your values (or need to demonstrate them to electorate) to make non-harmful decisions but also a single ounce of awareness of how things that you try to control work

[@CraftHarlot]

The stupidity of declaring that a fertilized egg is a person is unbelievable. Did they even take a basic biology course?? Or did they all attend a school that taught creationism only??

[@WeaponizedGoochsweat]

While arguably not a person, is a living being.

[@matthewpopow6647]

Alabama: look at us, give us a pat on the back for fixing the problem we caused

[@FrancisR420]

Alabama as a state is hemorrhaging money It's a complete disaster area But they find time to make two rulings that don't change any current practice but just make women a little bit more afraid.

[@l.tc.5032]

I wonder if this is going to lead to an uptick in Embryo adoption.

[@WeaponizedGoochsweat]

You jest but... Maybe that could be a interesting option for couples who can't have kids, such as the infertile/barren, or the LGBT.

[@Bremend]

So let's count them in the census, in hov lanes, for taxes, and for criminal charges

[@louiseely3930]

❌❌❌claiming frozen embryos on our taxes👋 whose with us!

[@zolmation]

I love the shorts from this channel

[@anthonylipke7754]

We have created an exception for practicality because of our insistence on an unverifiable conceptual principal we've decided to enforce some of the time.

[@seanhartnett79]

It also has an insane child poverty rate

[@upgrade_levels]

I'll give em this much, they definitely are consistent

[@St.charles23]

I was always on the fence about kids but in all honesty the government, the economy, my every changing constitutional rights have driven me to a hell no

[@penteractgaming]

The moment you are born you are on your own.

[@merilynnshark6144]

I personally have always thought that the embryo grows until it's ready to hold a soul, in which case a soul takes up the body as it's own.

[@666kittycat666]

I love the sassy pen swirling in the background

[@henrywallace1823]

I love this people love pointing out 'technicalities' of laws and were scaring people saying Alabama wants to stop ivf, South Carolina has the same problem where people are saying abortions will lead the mother to have the death penalty.

[@nicolewilliams7508]

The overreach is ridiculous

[@rmitchell8439]

Anyone else as grateful as I am for Carmella's clones providing minor activity as a distraction?

[@DiceLegendaryWarrior]

Its funny, they care about a child when it's in the moms stomach but not when it's out... Alabama's 45th education rank shows that very well

[@ddbros7892]

Extremely rare good Alabama law

[@originalname610]

Why dont they pay taxes?

[@NightingaleSpica]

I am curious as to how it written. Many people in comments are claiming you cannot be both. I would argue you can it comes down to the details.

[@Somepersonrblx]

Always Alabama with the rights isn’t it?

[@brandonrathbone3690]

If only they didn't need to pass an extra bill in the first place. If only they thought through their initial bill before passing it.

[@revlorebg2]

I’m telling you, while everyone is freaking out about presidential elections, the state leaders are creating hell on earth.

[@ardellandaya1965]

For such a pro family state they sure do the bare minimum like not adding anything addition to FMLA, which even it has certain requirements to take and isn’t a long time at all, and it’s not even paid.

[@xtrff2024]

I can’t wait for pregnant people to start taking the their co parents to court to ask for child support. If a teeny tiny fetus is a child then....

[@andrewcharles6489]

Good for them

[@Ericisnotachannel]

So open up an IVF facility with a 0% success rate.

[@QuesoCookies]

So it's okay to terminate fertilized eggs because it would be unreasonable and inconvenient to call that murder. Finally we're all agreed!

[@Enjinercraft]

Does this mean if a pregnant person commits a crime the embryo couldn’t assist in the pregnant person can just say false imprisonment to the “person” to not go to prision?

[@Mericaa47]

Alabama changing their minds about protecting life because it would cause a $valuable industry to end is very disappointing.

[@hcharlequinharlequincorps8394]

so when the IVF facility destroys them through negligence.. what happens now? the couple that submitted the embryo get to pound sand?

[@justrenthx]

and yall thought Bama rush was the wildest thing happening in that state

[@brokenandcraked]

So they made a law to deem embryos as people. Then they realized it would shut down IVF clinics. So, instead of rescinding the law, they are saying IVF clinics will have an exception to the law... but where else would anyone have embryos outside of a uterus except in IVF clinics?

[@Zeddem]

Crazy to me how such a large part of your country is completely against the bodily autonomy of women

[@TheSleepSteward]

Damn right. W for Alabama and families. 😩

[@georgebegley1065]

So they’re only children when they want them to be basically like I can’t sue someone for their “deaths” but someone can sue me if I get rid of them?