@@fiel81 The second part I am sure is a re-upload of an older video and he didn't even read or study any of the source material since the original upload nor did anything to correct himself.
@@theotherguy21 Nah dude, we've come a long way since those days, specially in current Detective comics runs, specially Tomasi, and Nightwing by Tom Taylor, check em out, Nightwing's run has a specially beautiful moment in it between Dick and Bruce
@louishathaway8163 he is still a terrible father lol he put kids in danger and kinda did brain wash them into his world that's what the dark knight returns shows more realistically while other comics kinda glorify what he does
Yes, Jubilee and Lego Robin were the two based on Carrie Kelly. Also, in the comics, Dark Knight Returns was published before year one. And the mutants weren't really mutants, it was just the gang's name.
Vee... You said you never read the book. So you never read the sequel series where Kelly went from Robin to Catgirl and became the leader that he was training Dick and Jason to be. She even took on Batman's brutal punishment style, going so far as to beating one of the Son's Of The Bat so badly after he disobeyed an order that he had to be infirmed.
Vee.. this is Frank Miller. His Batman is old, tired, and ready to pay back the pain. He doesn’t actually kill the joker but gets close and joker knows he won because they’ll still blame him for killing the joker. And joker takes his life.
I guess anyone can believe whatever they want, but I wholeheartedly believe that the comic was intended to be interpreted as Batman killing the Joker, and Batman hallucinating the Joker speaking afterwards. It’s also more impactful than Joker just killing himself in such an absurd way, somehow summoning enough strength to snap his own neck without even touching it. I understand this is fiction were talking about, but the idea that Joker simply turned his neck too far backwards and snapped it seems ludicrous
Right on! As someone who read the series when it came out... You're right. The Joker always wanted to break Batman... He almost did... He didn't. The Joker assumed that the way to break him , is to make him a murderer and see what happens.👍👍
His neck snaps before the “killing himself scene”. If you listen to that snap and the way his head moves there’s literally no medical way Joker survived it. What happened afterwards was a hallucination that Batman’s mind conjured up to deal with the fact that he just killed someone by creating an excuse for how he didn’t. While Joker’s body is literally burning and Batman misses the shot he tried taking with the gun on the bomb he planted to escape the cops in the very next sequence Batman looks back at Joker’s burning fucking corpse and says “stop laughing” at him in response to him missing the shot. That detail right there as well as the fact that nobody could’ve survived a neck snap like that are the context clues that it was a hallucination. Not to mention in the split second after the first snap we can see his head slump down with dead weight and it slumps down into the same exact position after the scene that I posit being a hallucination. Batman killed joker in this story, and I honestly think the story is better for it as if a man gets Batman to break his one rule then he must’ve been truly despicable. In a way I kind of see it as Batman rectifying his mistake of allowing joker to kill so many people by letting him live. More evidence for this case is that after Batman hits joker with the batarang in the eye and joker surprised exclaims “what are you doing?!” Batman replies, “I’m not playing around anymore.”
Whilst Kevin and Mark will always be the iconic duo. Peter Weller’s Batman vs Michael Emerson’s Joker is probably my favourite. If you haven’t seen the Dark Knight Returns animated movie, do it. It’s superb. Get the whole cut version, not the cut in two parts version.
@@elreynoe15 Look for Batman the Dark Knight Returns Deluxe edition. It has both movies combine into one movie. I have Batman the Dark Knight Returns Home video edition which has the Graphic Novel and Movie in Blu-ray, DVD (It also had digital editions of both the movie and graphic novel, but they wouldn't work now)
You made Frank's point so easily when you insisted that it's interesting to think about how Batman deserves blame for what criminals do. It's a ludicrous premise. He pinpointed the exact type of people who'd say that crap more than 30 years before they started doing so. And people genuinely blame Batman. Call him out for being a billionaire who beats up the apparently poor disenfranchised criminals. It's a once a month thing now. Say what you want but this is the most accurate depiction of people on the left who don't get what Batman is about. Frank is a libertarian, he doesn't like the left or the right.
Regarding the similarities between long Halloween and year one vee brought up, interestingly enough the comic The Long Halloween was actually intended as an alternate sequel to batman year one, eventually being followed up by Batman: Dark victory by the same duo who made Long Halloween and being a very direct sequel to it, forming a batman "early years" Trilogy
It's not really an "alternate" sequel, it predates ASBAR by over a decade. It's just _the_ canon followup. Year One is the canon origin of Batman cross multiple universes, including both New Earth (1985 - 2011 DC Comics) and Rebirth (post-Doomsday Clock). The introduction of Joker also has a story, but Long Halloween and Dark Victory with Year One are meant to form the full canonical transformation of Bruce into _the_ Batman that DC Comics publishes ongoing stories about. The Millerverse Batman meanwhile diverges after Year One. It's unclear where Batman/Spawn and Spawn/Batman take place (before or after ASBAR) but then TDKR/TDKSA/TDKIIITMR are long after that.
@@PosthumanHeresy I meant alternate sequel as in an alternate sequel to the story "Batman: Year Two" which many thought was a disappointing follow up, so they had loeb and sale cook up long Halloween as a follow up to year one instead of that story in the late 90s.
@@bachilles3285 it's a shame that year three never got a paperback release because I really want to read it without having to buy the collection of single issues on ebay. At least we got dark victory which is as amazing as long Halloween IMO
The day Frank Miller died . ... didn't want to call it that 🤔... maybe "infuso" growing up? Nah........ He still make Sh*t content. Who else are you gonna rip-off and feel smart!??😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 We all know you are not capable of 4 syllable words😂 but when you try, so funny. Dude, he definitely either dropped out or had parents that failed him. Either way, he is definitely entertaining................that's what jobbers do. Horrible at what they try, buy we all laugh! 😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘
@@lordcolinb Well that's because the crew of the first 2 films kept most of his ideas while Robocop 3's director rewrote almost every part of Miller's original script.
Frank Miller Comic Timeline: 1. Batman Year One 2. The Man Who Laughs 3. Batman Haunted Knight 4. The Long Halloween 5. Dark Victory 6. The Gauntlet 7. Robin Year One 8. Batgirl Year One 9. Catwoman When in Rome 10. Superman For All Seasons 11. Under the Red Hood 12. Dark Knight Returns 13. Dark Knight Strikes Back 14. The Master Race
I completely agree with the art style comments for the dark knight movies. The comic uses the same art style and I never loved it but was able to still enjoy it and I get there some very iconic panels in that comic. It’s and art style which only gets worse over time, there are comic continues of the story done by frank miller and there’s a reason they didn’t get adapted the story in insane and stupid the art style just gets worse and worse to a point you can’t really tell what you’re looking at. I do kind of wish that some of the worse frank miller Batman stuff would get animated versions so that more people could understand and experience the unhinged insanity of Frank Miller (same for Alan Moore both great comic book writers know for amazing stuff that lost there minds a bit)
Personally I always viewed Batman year one, the long Halloween and the dark knight returns as an unofficial trilogy. Year one is the origin story and Gotham is much more grounded with mob crime being at the center. Then the long Halloween continues that as Gotham slowly transitions into a more comic book city with super villains and what not and slowly transition away from the mob, and then the dark knight returns is the conclusion to this Batman’s story
@@dillydraws honestly I feel like the timeline still fits. While yeah technically they’re set in different timelines I feel like all 3 stories are pretty ambiguous enough on when they’re set that they can really be set in any time period. I just always felt like the dark knight returns was the natural conclusion of Batman introduced in year one and the long Halloween is a great transition story of the more grounded Gotham we see in year one and the more comic book Gotham we see in the dark knight returns
its funny you say this because long Halloween was actually made as a sequel conceptually to year one, as apposed to "Batman: Year Two" which was a direct sequel. and then jeph loeb and tim sale made dark victory which is a direct sequel to long halloween, thus forming a trilogy
Kinda weird that you didn't read the comic. You should! It's exactly what you want, more of it! You should also try reading the Legend of the Dark Knight series. Especially the mini-series "Prey" (Legends of the Dark Knight #11), it's basically the continuation of Year One.
It should be noted that Bryan Cranston is my favourite Gordon voice actor so far and i hope we get to see him play the role live action some day, second only to Jeffrey Wright who i think was an inspired choice :- )
I mean, he did mention In the beginning he hasn't watched nor read the comics or graphic novels, so In this entire video, he Is explaining his reviews on the two animated movie adaptations. You can't really expect everyone to read the comic or graphic novels, more or less watched the movies once or more lmao
I think it's important to note how important the civilian characters are in Year One Year One's main character isn't really Batman but Gordon and most of the important character moments and story beats happen with Gordon Imo that makes the movie and book feel a lot more grounded and human which is perfect for Batman Also, there are direct sequels to Year One but they are vastly inferior and Miller had already shown that he was very opposed to drugs in Daredevil and Year One, makes sense he would present stoners as crappy parents
25:50 Specifically for seeing an older spiderman, Spiderman: Life Story is genuinely one of my favorite comics ever read. It follows his life as if he was actually a teen in the 60s until the 2010s when he's like 70.
Well, we can't actually say that Frank Miller's Batman in D.K.Returns killed the Joker🃏 cuz he didn't, he crippled him paralized him making him unable to kill or even hurt anyone again but the Joker🃏 managed to commit suicide..
Batman did NOT kill the Joker!! He nearly broke his neck!! So he could never move his body again!! He was paralysed!! Disappointed, Joker twisted his neck and finished the job in order the Police would think he killed him!! Batman had enough of Joker!! By letting him live, he allowed him to kill hundreds of innocent people!! He spat on him to show he had enough! Joker was worthless!! He was not worth saving anymore!! Watch that scene again, and this time, really listen to what was said!!
Now then... finally. THIS is the Batman that I grew up with... not the films... the graphic novels. Which is a large part of the reason that I don't see Bruce Timms' version of Batman as the definitive portrayal of the character... but don't get me wrong. I LOVE the "Timmverse"... and I watched it all right from the beginning. Hell, Im 43 and I STILL watch them all... and I bought "JL v The Fatal Five" the day it was released... but Frank Millers version is MY choice for the definitive portrayal of Batman. Along with the earliest of early Batman comics, which I also grew up reading. Hell, in those early runs, he was a dual pistol wielding, criminal murdering BADASS... please cover that version next! Though he doesn't necessarily mix well with the whole "Batman dosen't kill" rule that so many fans seem to cling so tightly to. That rule wasn't invented until the early 1990's.
The rule was invented way before then. And that version of Batman is boring. Just read Punisher at that point, it's more interesting. Batman wasn't killing folks in Year One anyway.
I didnt say anything about "Year One" other than saying I grew up with Frank Millers books...amongst others. If by saying "year one" you mean in 1939 or the 1940's, then you are factually incorrect. I grew up reading those, too. Why would I read "The Punisher" when I can read the comics which inspired him in the first place?
@thisisnotachannel Because it'd be lame. Why go off a prototype character in the 30's and 40's anyway? Having Batman going around killing people is ridiculous. Why even carry non lethal shjt like batarangs if you're just gonna kill people? Why not have an arsenal like The Puniser at that point? It's fucking lame. Not from a moral stand point but from a stylistic standpoint as well. Batman's best stories are about his moral code because that's what makes his character interesting.
Vee, if you love Batman so much, you should definitely familiarize yourself with the comics alot more brother. You're missing out on the greatest Batman stories ever told by not diving into the comics. The late 80's and 90's era of Bat-books were particularly good...I personally recommend the Knightfall story arc. You're doing yourself a great disservice as a Bat-fan by not emmersing yourself into the medium Batman originated from. A youtuber named Salazar Knight has an amazing channel on the Batman comics that you'd love if you're not familiar with it... love your channel BTW...
You putting the Catwoman bit in here makes me think of the other DC shorts attached to other animated movies. Quite often, they're some gems. The Jonah Hex short is leagues better than the live action movie ever was, the Spectre one is probably the best we'll get of him (since I highly doubt a full length movie would work for the character), and such. Sure, I don't think I've seen any of DC's post-Batman: Year One animated movies, so they could have had some far lesser shorts after that, but up to that movie, they were doing quite well.
Reviews like this would be 100% better if any actual research was done about the source material, you keep complimenting “the movie” but both of these films were almost frame for frame replicas of the comics they are based on
The whole Frank Miller thing is very interesting, because in my opinion, he’s responsible for some of the best and some of the absolute worst Batman material we’ve ever gotten. But as far as the art style in the dark, Knight returns, animated film, that’s just the way, Frank Miller draws his characters, specifically in the graphic novel. Fan of the art style or not, they were just trying to be faithful to the book. And this is absolutely, in my opinion, a Batman movie that you need to read the graphic novel first before you watch it.
I think there’s a lot of accuracy in everything in this compilation. I mostly agree with you in your journey and range of opinions here. I too like BATMAN: YEAR ONE best, like DARK KNIGHT RETURN part one better than part two. And I agree with your criticisms. Much as I wish I didn’t. I still see the original graphic novel releases as revolutionary and necessary to most of what Batman has been since. But I also think other than YEAR ONE (which I think was way better than DKR), most of the Frank Miller’s other Batman work has been overrated.
Why does the cat woman short seem sooo familiar, oh yea it’s pretty much like how cat women was in the batman movie from 2022, well it has similar sequences and scenes.
Good video but im ngl you sayin something about bryan cranstons range is wild. Not only has he played a lot of different characters, but in breaking bad alone he showed insane range in his abilities. I dont think anybody thought he should play jim JUST because he looks like him. Bryan cranston is an insanely talented actor and it fr was never a question of if he could accurately portray jim gordan. He could run that shit in his sleep. Bryan cranston the goat. Give him his flowers.
....youve never read Year One until now? Bro....go read The Cult, Dark Victory, Court of Owls, Batman & Joker Deadly Duo, Whatever happened to the Caped Crusader and Gothic if you havent already read these. Those are just a few off the top of my head Edit- also the woman jim cheats on his wife with, sarah essen, he later marries her and shes her own fleshed out character in the batman mythos before being murdered by joker in no mans land
I absolutely loved Year One and TDKR. I view TDKR as one film because thats how I originally read it. They did a great job setting the tone and ambiance in this film. Some of the complaints you've levied at the film don't hold up because that is how it was presented in the original work. And this animated film adapted that work very well. VERY WELL. It really takes you into Batmans future along with all his allies, enemies, and setting. Frank saying the left is looney, well, thats common sense to hundreds of millions of people. Politics really were down played here though. These weren't in your face like today's bullshit. I hope the Y dshr
Nah, I think you're so wrong about Batman being the true identity and Bruce Wayne being the disguise. They're both just exaggerated versions of certain aspects of his personality. Batman is this weird haunting badass creature of the night. That ain't Bruce lmao, Bruce is a scared little kid who ACTS like a badass avenging creature of the night, and who ACTS like this suave confident playboy. They aren't his real identity. The Batfamily are the only people who ever see Bruce for who he really is: This hurt little theater kid who got great at makeup, costume and acting, and is trying his best not to disappoint his parents by making the world a better place. Bruce and Batman are just performances he puts on either for the public or for criminals.
As Bill said in Kill Bill Vol 2 Now, a staple of the superhero mythology is, there's the superhero and there's the alter ego. Batman is actually Bruce Wayne, and Spider-Man is actually Peter Parker. When that character wakes up in the morning, he's Peter Parker. He has to put on a costume to become Spider-Man. And it is in that characteristic that Superman stands alone. Superman didn't become Superman. Superman was born Superman. When Superman wakes up in the morning, he's Superman. His alter ego is Clark Kent. His outfit with the big red "S", that's the blanket he was wrapped in as a baby when the Kents found him. Those are his clothes. What Kent wears - the glasses, the business suit - that's the costume. That's the costume Superman wears to blend in with us. Clark Kent is how Superman views us. And what are the characteristics of Clark Kent? He's weak... he's unsure of himself... he's a coward. Clark Kent is Superman's critique of the whole human race.
@@jamescampbell39 Tarantino clearly doesn't understand the Clark Kent/Superman character. Clark grew up on Earth. He doesn't view himself as separate from humanity. He's one of us. Kill Bill was great, though.
@@8LiterallyJustTheNumber8 I think that even if Superman AKA Clark Kent sees himself as a Terran he like say MR Spock or Mr. Worf was able to move about and be accepted by the society at large they still considered themselves Strangers in a Strange Land. Even if the radiation from our yellow sun had not heightened his natural abilities as was portrayed in the original comics he would have still been an extra-ordinary person Read Gladiator about Hugo Danner and then follow it up with the early published Superman comics from the thirties his people on krypton while not as near god-like as kal lel became on earth, were able to do all the things the original Superman in the comics could do naturally
I think it’s fair to say that we all got that Vee was talking about Gordon’s wife, but used the term "partner" in order to be able to use the line "cheated on his partner, with his partner!" Puns matter, my friend! 😏
Ben Mackenzie as young batman is awesome. I love when other batman story actors step into different roles. It was a little weird hearing Gordan as Batman, but not when you have Bryan Cranston as Gordan here.
There r stoners who r like her parents, so it is valid thing 2 have though. Frank Miller did a better job than a lot of current writers combined on both DC and Marvel .
Great write up, couple of things though. First is Batman killing Joker, I liked it more in the comic where it's pretty much implied he goes off the rails and kills him. I mean he snaps his neck in a moment of rage, and joker catches fire and starts talking in grey bubbles that were used for the "batman" voice in Bruces head. Second The notion that Batman's prominence enabling the rise of costumed criminals directly harkens back to year One where Catwoman is inspired to put on the mask. Batman then inspires the Mutant gang to become the Batgang. This consistent through line leads me to believe that it's less of a critique of the character, and more of an admittance of his ability to inspire and change. He has successfully become a supernatural phenomenon like he wanted, but It's "to what end." that's really in question. Third the scene where Clark and Bruce talk on the ranch. It's a juxtaposition of symbols - an American eagle for Superman and the US government, a lone wolf for Batman and a rat for the Oliver who is also the common American. The eagle swoops down, which he could have at any point and takes it in his grasp. Like how Superman now has Americas fate in his hands as a nuclear deterrent, and an arm of the government. Hence Green Arrows missing arm, and while his ability to function might SEEM hampered his spirit keeps him going. Just like the American people under this oppressive regime still have fight left in them. Ollie and the common man need help to overthrow the Eagle. Hence the other alpha, the lone dog. Fourth the chain of mayor, governor, Senator and President all passing the buck and denying responsibility is cyclical. Think about it, who replaces the President? Another identical link in the chain, so nothing changes. So what does? What's the point of it all? Batman breaks the chain. Batman is the other alpha that can guard the ranch. He wont be as bad as the Eagle, as Government stooge Superman because he DOES accept responsibility. That his actions have consequences. He realizes this when he DOES kill the Joker, realizes he goes to far and doesn't do that again. Regan's war with Russia ends with him alone in a bunker protecting himself, while his followers the American people are left to rot. Batman's war ends with his followers safe.
Good video mate👍🏻 --but there's 1small detail i wanna mention cuz u put it as an example here, it's that in the Killing~Joke batman didn't kill the Joker🃏 in fact it let's us know that he was arrested due to the police lights that are shown coming while both laughing, otherwise it would have shown the kill as the rest of the killings in the book, also A.Moor confirmed it in an interview..
We open to a sea of dead bodies on the floor of a TV talk show as the camera moves from left to right at eye level with the dead bodies. We see a green pointy dress shoe walk into the frame, crushing the fingers of one of the dead bodies in the floor. The camera pans up and we see the joker smirking over a sea of dead bodies from behind. We turns only revealing half his face and we get a look at the Joker as he sees Batman arriving to the scene a few skyscrapers away. We pan to the eyes of Batman that are amazed, sickened and raged and what the Joker had accomplished. We see the Joker turn around with a wide smile seeing Batman and says “To be a billionaire, you’re always a dollar short”. Screen goes black
Its always been my head cannon tha jim knows that bruce is batman( its been shown a couple times in comics and movies) 9:21 he just doesnt say anything because he knows the city needs batman more than bruce wayne
I feel Batman Year One wasn't truely a Batman story persay...it's a story about Jim Gordon, he's the real protagonist. He's not perfect. He's made mistakes and makes more...wants to do the right thing and doesn't want to make waves...but events change his mind. Even at the end he's nowhere near perfect...he's just...like us. Trying to do our best even with our faults.
I won’t lie, I’ve been avoiding these movies, for two reasons: *1.* Because I _hate_ the art style of the comics that they’re based on, and *2.* IMDb reviews are _not_ favourable! That being said, seeing clips of BYO here, in your video, and getting not just a positive review, but all your reasons for _why_ you love it, has made me want to give _'Batman: Year One'_ a chance! 🙂 I’ll never watch _'Batman: The Dark Knight Returns',_ though, be it Part 1 _or_ Part 2!
Also I guess TDKR kind of inspired the talk show scene in Joker, but that was a scene almost directly re done from King of Comedy also starring Robert DeNiro from the 70s
Joker was just an homage to Taxi Driver and King of Comedy with a fresh coat of paint, pun intended, it isn’t bad, but please man, do at least a little bit more research before making the claims that you do
I'm not gonna lie. When I saw that Jim had cheated, I literally yelled out "JIM!!!" as if he was a relative I was disappointed in. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Interesting that Jim and Sarah are married during the beginning of The Dark Knight Returns
I don't really like politics in what is supposed to be escapist entertainment, but I understand it in The Dark Knight Returns. It is solidly set in its timeframe of the 1980s. The Cold War still existed, even though it didn't feel like it was everpresent in American life. This just takes the nuclear threat and dials it up to 11. Soviet aggression still existed in our hemisphere, and in this hyper realistic take on DC's universe, the President would send Superman to handle the threats. You kinda have to accept it for the time of its creation and not let the politics bog you down.
Batman didn’t kill the joker the joker killed himself to make it look like it was batman and batman didn’t spit on the joker he spit a flammable thing on him so he could escape. As well as that in general there was a lot of details missed in this analysis of the dark knight returns. Frank Millers writing is inherently satirical and at some points becomes too much like all star batman. But the way i interpret the political stuff in this movie is that it’s merely there for world building. It’s a world like ours it’s silly everything is so extreme in real life and the movie and the book merely place batman in the middle of it. Batman himself doesn’t take sides he just does batman stuff and is faced with the world. That’s part of what made this so great it’s because it’s not just larger than life hero stuff. Batman is flawed like the rest of us yet works to become better.
Batman Year Two is actually technically a real thing, as The Long Halloween is seen as the follow up to Batman Year One, and Batman Dark Victory the direct follow up to Batman the Long Halloween… so do with that what you will.
2:52 The Eiffel Tower isn't crooked, you're thinking of the Leaning Tower of Pisa! 😄🤣Frank Miller made only two Batman stories that were masterpieces: The Dark Knight Returns and Year One. Everything he has done with the character of Batman since has been self-indulgent, unreadable garbage.
Batman’s most powerful attribute the writers imagination. Funny, how fighting a bunch of thugs they only decide to shoot when he decide to attack them. Every time he fights Superman it’s always some nonsense let him fight Vegeta what do you think will happen alliteration but that’s just my opinion.
He literally shaves the mustache as part of the intro, what are you on about? Edit: THE SHEER DISRESPECT FOR THE TDKR JOKER, YOU- WH- .....you wouldn't get it 🚬🤡
Bro, anyone saying the Batman and Batgirl relationship wasn't a thing. Hasn't read Batman 2.0, ALSO it's a really good way to give him and Grayson their falling out. YES it is awkward, but it happened so 🤷🏽♂️
Pretty good reviews! With the Dark Knight Returns political commentary, I think the work is a bit more on the 80s spectrum of things, and may be clearer to examine it as being less political viewpoints from the modern lens, and more 'establishment' shortcomings and attitudes
funny how you keep saying you're not political yet keep shitting on the movie for being more conservative than liberal--- yet you never mention the opposite in any of your other videos that are clearly liberal centered from DC, kinda funny how bias shows itself.
If i had a nickel for every time i heard that Bryan Cranston should play a live action version of a character named Gordon, I'd have 2 nickels, which isn't a lot but its weird that it happened twice. Always wanted to say that :)
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The mutants are not mutants. They're just a street gang the are basically punks
Exactly, he really overlooked some other details as well
@@fiel81 The second part I am sure is a re-upload of an older video and he didn't even read or study any of the source material since the original upload nor did anything to correct himself.
My biggest issue with frank miller is that he just makes batman a horrible father
Maybe because these commies hate masculinity and the father figure?
Wondering...
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I'm wondering if you're a moron @@diesel3333
Batman kinda is lol
@@theotherguy21 Nah dude, we've come a long way since those days, specially in current Detective comics runs, specially Tomasi, and Nightwing by Tom Taylor, check em out, Nightwing's run has a specially beautiful moment in it between Dick and Bruce
@louishathaway8163 he is still a terrible father lol he put kids in danger and kinda did brain wash them into his world that's what the dark knight returns shows more realistically while other comics kinda glorify what he does
Yes, Jubilee and Lego Robin were the two based on Carrie Kelly.
Also, in the comics, Dark Knight Returns was published before year one.
And the mutants weren't really mutants, it was just the gang's name.
I always thought it was the other way around. Then again, I didn't grow up in the 80s, so what do I know?
Vee...
You said you never read the book.
So you never read the sequel series where Kelly went from Robin to Catgirl and became the leader that he was training Dick and Jason to be.
She even took on Batman's brutal punishment style, going so far as to beating one of the Son's Of The Bat so badly after he disobeyed an order that he had to be infirmed.
Vee.. this is Frank Miller. His Batman is old, tired, and ready to pay back the pain. He doesn’t actually kill the joker but gets close and joker knows he won because they’ll still blame him for killing the joker. And joker takes his life.
I guess anyone can believe whatever they want, but I wholeheartedly believe that the comic was intended to be interpreted as Batman killing the Joker, and Batman hallucinating the Joker speaking afterwards. It’s also more impactful than Joker just killing himself in such an absurd way, somehow summoning enough strength to snap his own neck without even touching it. I understand this is fiction were talking about, but the idea that Joker simply turned his neck too far backwards and snapped it seems ludicrous
@@Orion-Pax_34 there is no contextual clues that he hallucinated
Right on!
As someone who read the series when it came out...
You're right.
The Joker always wanted to break Batman... He almost did... He didn't.
The Joker assumed that the way to break him , is to make him a murderer and see what happens.👍👍
@@lmbuckhalterjr6123 TDKR is like my Bible.
His neck snaps before the “killing himself scene”. If you listen to that snap and the way his head moves there’s literally no medical way Joker survived it. What happened afterwards was a hallucination that Batman’s mind conjured up to deal with the fact that he just killed someone by creating an excuse for how he didn’t. While Joker’s body is literally burning and Batman misses the shot he tried taking with the gun on the bomb he planted to escape the cops in the very next sequence Batman looks back at Joker’s burning fucking corpse and says “stop laughing” at him in response to him missing the shot. That detail right there as well as the fact that nobody could’ve survived a neck snap like that are the context clues that it was a hallucination. Not to mention in the split second after the first snap we can see his head slump down with dead weight and it slumps down into the same exact position after the scene that I posit being a hallucination. Batman killed joker in this story, and I honestly think the story is better for it as if a man gets Batman to break his one rule then he must’ve been truly despicable. In a way I kind of see it as Batman rectifying his mistake of allowing joker to kill so many people by letting him live. More evidence for this case is that after Batman hits joker with the batarang in the eye and joker surprised exclaims “what are you doing?!” Batman replies, “I’m not playing around anymore.”
Whilst Kevin and Mark will always be the iconic duo. Peter Weller’s Batman vs Michael Emerson’s Joker is probably my favourite. If you haven’t seen the Dark Knight Returns animated movie, do it. It’s superb. Get the whole cut version, not the cut in two parts version.
Best Joker by far. He was such a maniac that it made the audience feel the sense of urgency in stopping him
Where do you find the "whole" cut? I have part 1&2 on Blu Ray and swap the discs. Is there a physical release?
@@elreynoe15 Look for Batman the Dark Knight Returns Deluxe edition. It has both movies combine into one movie. I have Batman the Dark Knight Returns Home video edition which has the Graphic Novel and Movie in Blu-ray, DVD (It also had digital editions of both the movie and graphic novel, but they wouldn't work now)
@@elreynoe15 I got mine on iTunes.
Would that be robocop peter weller?
You made Frank's point so easily when you insisted that it's interesting to think about how Batman deserves blame for what criminals do.
It's a ludicrous premise. He pinpointed the exact type of people who'd say that crap more than 30 years before they started doing so.
And people genuinely blame Batman. Call him out for being a billionaire who beats up the apparently poor disenfranchised criminals. It's a once a month thing now. Say what you want but this is the most accurate depiction of people on the left who don't get what Batman is about.
Frank is a libertarian, he doesn't like the left or the right.
Regarding the similarities between long Halloween and year one vee brought up, interestingly enough the comic The Long Halloween was actually intended as an alternate sequel to batman year one, eventually being followed up by Batman: Dark victory by the same duo who made Long Halloween and being a very direct sequel to it, forming a batman "early years" Trilogy
It's not really an "alternate" sequel, it predates ASBAR by over a decade. It's just _the_ canon followup. Year One is the canon origin of Batman cross multiple universes, including both New Earth (1985 - 2011 DC Comics) and Rebirth (post-Doomsday Clock). The introduction of Joker also has a story, but Long Halloween and Dark Victory with Year One are meant to form the full canonical transformation of Bruce into _the_ Batman that DC Comics publishes ongoing stories about. The Millerverse Batman meanwhile diverges after Year One. It's unclear where Batman/Spawn and Spawn/Batman take place (before or after ASBAR) but then TDKR/TDKSA/TDKIIITMR are long after that.
@@PosthumanHeresy I meant alternate sequel as in an alternate sequel to the story "Batman: Year Two" which many thought was a disappointing follow up, so they had loeb and sale cook up long Halloween as a follow up to year one instead of that story in the late 90s.
@@bachilles3285 it's a shame that year three never got a paperback release because I really want to read it without having to buy the collection of single issues on ebay. At least we got dark victory which is as amazing as long Halloween IMO
The Catwoman short was made to try to sell a spin off.
Not true
I love Peter Weller as Batman tbh he's amazing and one of my fav ppl to have voiced Batman. Plus he's freaken Robocop like cmon
Top 5 actors
1.kevin
2.troy
3.Rodger
4.adam west
5.peter weller
Are mine favorite
He also used to have a show on history channel
😊 robocop as older batman is the perfect casting
The day Frank Miller died . ... didn't want to call it that 🤔... maybe "infuso" growing up? Nah........
He still make Sh*t content.
Who else are you gonna rip-off and feel smart!??😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
We all know you are not capable of 4 syllable words😂 but when you try, so funny.
Dude, he definitely either dropped out or had parents that failed him.
Either way, he is definitely entertaining................that's what jobbers do. Horrible at what they try, buy we all laugh!
😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘
Yeah, because Frank Miller also wrote the Robocop movies.
@@Spectahman2.0 so good but they messed up robocop 3
@@lordcolinb Well that's because the crew of the first 2 films kept most of his ideas while Robocop 3's director rewrote almost every part of Miller's original script.
Part 2 is great like Predator 2
14:10 Jim Gordon to Joker *I Am The Danger*
Oil up NOW
All Star is a pretty good compliment, if you have All Star Superman in mind instead of All Star Batman and Robin.
Yeah, all star Batman and Robin must have been one of old man Bruce's nightmares, or him on scarecrow gas. Not great if you ask me
Timmy Turner is a loose cannon cop on the edge who doesn't play by the rules.
Because he... has... FAIRY GOD-PARENTS!
@thisisnotachannel no it's FAIRYGODPARENTS
FACTS.
i think you mean Da Rules
PUNY FARIES
GIVE ME 50 WANDS UPS
Frank Miller Comic Timeline:
1. Batman Year One
2. The Man Who Laughs
3. Batman Haunted Knight
4. The Long Halloween
5. Dark Victory
6. The Gauntlet
7. Robin Year One
8. Batgirl Year One
9. Catwoman When in Rome
10. Superman For All Seasons
11. Under the Red Hood
12. Dark Knight Returns
13. Dark Knight Strikes Back
14. The Master Race
Thank you 🙏🏻😊
@@NostalgiaBrit my pleasure
You forgot All Star Crazy Steve and Dick Grayson, age 12
@@Drums_of_Liberation That's an All Star Story, they're all elseworld stories.
I completely agree with the art style comments for the dark knight movies. The comic uses the same art style and I never loved it but was able to still enjoy it and I get there some very iconic panels in that comic. It’s and art style which only gets worse over time, there are comic continues of the story done by frank miller and there’s a reason they didn’t get adapted the story in insane and stupid the art style just gets worse and worse to a point you can’t really tell what you’re looking at.
I do kind of wish that some of the worse frank miller Batman stuff would get animated versions so that more people could understand and experience the unhinged insanity of Frank Miller (same for Alan Moore both great comic book writers know for amazing stuff that lost there minds a bit)
Personally I always viewed Batman year one, the long Halloween and the dark knight returns as an unofficial trilogy. Year one is the origin story and Gotham is much more grounded with mob crime being at the center. Then the long Halloween continues that as Gotham slowly transitions into a more comic book city with super villains and what not and slowly transition away from the mob, and then the dark knight returns is the conclusion to this Batman’s story
The issue is, year one is the 50s while tdkr is the 80s. The long halloween would need nothing modern in it to fit
@@dillydraws honestly I feel like the timeline still fits. While yeah technically they’re set in different timelines I feel like all 3 stories are pretty ambiguous enough on when they’re set that they can really be set in any time period. I just always felt like the dark knight returns was the natural conclusion of Batman introduced in year one and the long Halloween is a great transition story of the more grounded Gotham we see in year one and the more comic book Gotham we see in the dark knight returns
its funny you say this because long Halloween was actually made as a sequel conceptually to year one, as apposed to "Batman: Year Two" which was a direct sequel. and then jeph loeb and tim sale made dark victory which is a direct sequel to long halloween, thus forming a trilogy
Kinda weird that you didn't read the comic. You should! It's exactly what you want, more of it!
You should also try reading the Legend of the Dark Knight series. Especially the mini-series "Prey" (Legends of the Dark Knight #11), it's basically the continuation of Year One.
that part about how corrupt the cops in year one are was kinda funny because that's literally just how cops behave irl
It should be noted that Bryan Cranston is my favourite Gordon voice actor so far and i hope we get to see him play the role live action some day, second only to Jeffrey Wright who i think was an inspired choice :- )
U literally talk about Batman all the time but you never ever read the comics or graphic novels. "Didnt read year one or Dark knight returns"
Very very goofy
Honestly the "I'm going to guess thats where batman begins got the Joker card bit" is kind of embarrassing haha.
I mean, he did mention In the beginning he hasn't watched nor read the comics or graphic novels, so In this entire video, he Is explaining his reviews on the two animated movie adaptations. You can't really expect everyone to read the comic or graphic novels, more or less watched the movies once or more lmao
@@KaisaExcalibur I can if they're making a video about the subject
@@KaisaExcalibur I expect a person whose channel is damn near Batman content to have read the comics. Stop defending laziness
I think it's important to note how important the civilian characters are in Year One
Year One's main character isn't really Batman but Gordon and most of the important character moments and story beats happen with Gordon
Imo that makes the movie and book feel a lot more grounded and human which is perfect for Batman
Also, there are direct sequels to Year One but they are vastly inferior and Miller had already shown that he was very opposed to drugs in Daredevil and Year One, makes sense he would present stoners as crappy parents
Dude, full stops.
25:50 Specifically for seeing an older spiderman, Spiderman: Life Story is genuinely one of my favorite comics ever read. It follows his life as if he was actually a teen in the 60s until the 2010s when he's like 70.
Bruce needed to speed run Carrie's progression to become Robin
As far as I'm concerned, this Cameo is Kevin Conroy's last serious performance. The other is just a goof he had.
Great Video Man!
I'm so glad I live in the universe where Robocop himself voiced Batman. It's like a dream come true.
Well, we can't actually say that Frank Miller's Batman in D.K.Returns killed the Joker🃏 cuz he didn't, he crippled him paralized him making him unable to kill or even hurt anyone again but the Joker🃏 managed to commit suicide..
Ah, Crazy Steve!
Having Brian Cranston as Jim Gordon was just perfect casting after Kevin and Mark as batman and joker
Am I the only one who thinks Ben McKenzie, Gotham's Gordon, makes a great Batman voice?
Batman did NOT kill the Joker!! He nearly broke his neck!! So he could never move his body again!! He was paralysed!! Disappointed, Joker twisted his neck and finished the job in order the Police would think he killed him!! Batman had enough of Joker!! By letting him live, he allowed him to kill hundreds of innocent people!! He spat on him to show he had enough! Joker was worthless!!
He was not worth saving anymore!! Watch that scene again, and this time, really listen to what was said!!
Now then... finally.
THIS is the Batman that I grew up with... not the films... the graphic novels.
Which is a large part of the reason that I don't see Bruce Timms' version of Batman as the definitive portrayal of the character... but don't get me wrong.
I LOVE the "Timmverse"... and I watched it all right from the beginning. Hell, Im 43 and I STILL watch them all... and I bought "JL v The Fatal Five" the day it was released... but Frank Millers version is MY choice for the definitive portrayal of Batman. Along with the earliest of early Batman comics, which I also grew up reading.
Hell, in those early runs, he was a dual pistol wielding, criminal murdering BADASS... please cover that version next!
Though he doesn't necessarily mix well with the whole "Batman dosen't kill" rule that so many fans seem to cling so tightly to.
That rule wasn't invented until the early 1990's.
The rule was invented way before then. And that version of Batman is boring. Just read Punisher at that point, it's more interesting. Batman wasn't killing folks in Year One anyway.
I didnt say anything about "Year One" other than saying I grew up with Frank Millers books...amongst others.
If by saying "year one" you mean in 1939 or the 1940's, then you are factually incorrect.
I grew up reading those, too.
Why would I read "The Punisher" when I can read the comics which inspired him in the first place?
@thisisnotachannel Because it'd be lame. Why go off a prototype character in the 30's and 40's anyway? Having Batman going around killing people is ridiculous. Why even carry non lethal shjt like batarangs if you're just gonna kill people? Why not have an arsenal like The Puniser at that point? It's fucking lame. Not from a moral stand point but from a stylistic standpoint as well. Batman's best stories are about his moral code because that's what makes his character interesting.
Vee, if you love Batman so much, you should definitely familiarize yourself with the comics alot more brother. You're missing out on the greatest Batman stories ever told by not diving into the comics. The late 80's and 90's era of Bat-books were particularly good...I personally recommend the Knightfall story arc. You're doing yourself a great disservice as a Bat-fan by not emmersing yourself into the medium Batman originated from. A youtuber named Salazar Knight has an amazing channel on the Batman comics that you'd love if you're not familiar with it... love your channel BTW...
Bruce himself said the same thing in different adaptations. Batman Beyond he calls himself Batman in his head & when Batman & Sups meet WW in a comic.
I feel the same exact way about the dark knight returns
You putting the Catwoman bit in here makes me think of the other DC shorts attached to other animated movies. Quite often, they're some gems. The Jonah Hex short is leagues better than the live action movie ever was, the Spectre one is probably the best we'll get of him (since I highly doubt a full length movie would work for the character), and such. Sure, I don't think I've seen any of DC's post-Batman: Year One animated movies, so they could have had some far lesser shorts after that, but up to that movie, they were doing quite well.
The Year One book is pretty much identical to movie. It’s a loyal adaptation.
other way around
I think I worded that poorly, I know the book came out first, the animated movie is a near perfect adaptation of the comic.
Reviews like this would be 100% better if any actual research was done about the source material, you keep complimenting “the movie” but both of these films were almost frame for frame replicas of the comics they are based on
Why does that matter lmao. Judge the product as the product.
Frank's a little nuts. He went to Sin City and never came back.
The whole Frank Miller thing is very interesting, because in my opinion, he’s responsible for some of the best and some of the absolute worst Batman material we’ve ever gotten. But as far as the art style in the dark, Knight returns, animated film, that’s just the way, Frank Miller draws his characters, specifically in the graphic novel. Fan of the art style or not, they were just trying to be faithful to the book. And this is absolutely, in my opinion, a Batman movie that you need to read the graphic novel first before you watch it.
Batman year one was awesome 😊
Damn, you gotta stop it with the reposts lol
I think there’s a lot of accuracy in everything in this compilation. I mostly agree with you in your journey and range of opinions here. I too like BATMAN: YEAR ONE best, like DARK KNIGHT RETURN part one better than part two. And I agree with your criticisms. Much as I wish I didn’t. I still see the original graphic novel releases as revolutionary and necessary to most of what Batman has been since. But I also think other than YEAR ONE (which I think was way better than DKR), most of the Frank Miller’s other Batman work has been overrated.
Why does the cat woman short seem sooo familiar, oh yea it’s pretty much like how cat women was in the batman movie from 2022, well it has similar sequences and scenes.
Okay but you act like Bryan Cranston wouldn’t murder a live action Ned Flanders
I remember aftwr watching it I looked for year two which led me to the comic and i was so bummed 😭
lol he says “lucky amateur” vee, I had the dvd copy and turnt the subtitles on to make sure myself
Good video but im ngl you sayin something about bryan cranstons range is wild. Not only has he played a lot of different characters, but in breaking bad alone he showed insane range in his abilities. I dont think anybody thought he should play jim JUST because he looks like him. Bryan cranston is an insanely talented actor and it fr was never a question of if he could accurately portray jim gordan. He could run that shit in his sleep. Bryan cranston the goat. Give him his flowers.
....youve never read Year One until now? Bro....go read The Cult, Dark Victory, Court of Owls, Batman & Joker Deadly Duo, Whatever happened to the Caped Crusader and Gothic if you havent already read these. Those are just a few off the top of my head
Edit- also the woman jim cheats on his wife with, sarah essen, he later marries her and shes her own fleshed out character in the batman mythos before being murdered by joker in no mans land
I hope you keep this outro for a long time RIP😢🙏🏾
I absolutely loved Year One and TDKR. I view TDKR as one film because thats how I originally read it. They did a great job setting the tone and ambiance in this film. Some of the complaints you've levied at the film don't hold up because that is how it was presented in the original work. And this animated film adapted that work very well. VERY WELL. It really takes you into Batmans future along with all his allies, enemies, and setting. Frank saying the left is looney, well, thats common sense to hundreds of millions of people. Politics really were down played here though. These weren't in your face like today's bullshit. I hope the Y dshr
TDKR movie falls short of the book, imo, because it really benefits from us hearing Batman's inner monologue. Gordon's too, in a couple places.
I feel like the intros from the previous videos could have been reworked to fit this final cut or whatever you want to call it.
2:35 Gordon is the drop of Dawn that gets grease on.
Nah, I think you're so wrong about Batman being the true identity and Bruce Wayne being the disguise. They're both just exaggerated versions of certain aspects of his personality. Batman is this weird haunting badass creature of the night. That ain't Bruce lmao, Bruce is a scared little kid who ACTS like a badass avenging creature of the night, and who ACTS like this suave confident playboy. They aren't his real identity. The Batfamily are the only people who ever see Bruce for who he really is: This hurt little theater kid who got great at makeup, costume and acting, and is trying his best not to disappoint his parents by making the world a better place. Bruce and Batman are just performances he puts on either for the public or for criminals.
As Bill said in Kill Bill Vol 2 Now, a staple of the superhero mythology is, there's the superhero and there's the alter ego. Batman is actually Bruce Wayne, and Spider-Man is actually Peter Parker. When that character wakes up in the morning, he's Peter Parker. He has to put on a costume to become Spider-Man. And it is in that characteristic that Superman stands alone. Superman didn't become Superman. Superman was born Superman. When Superman wakes up in the morning, he's Superman. His alter ego is Clark Kent. His outfit with the big red "S", that's the blanket he was wrapped in as a baby when the Kents found him. Those are his clothes. What Kent wears - the glasses, the business suit - that's the costume. That's the costume Superman wears to blend in with us. Clark Kent is how Superman views us. And what are the characteristics of Clark Kent? He's weak... he's unsure of himself... he's a coward. Clark Kent is Superman's critique of the whole human race.
@@jamescampbell39 Tarantino clearly doesn't understand the Clark Kent/Superman character. Clark grew up on Earth. He doesn't view himself as separate from humanity. He's one of us. Kill Bill was great, though.
@@8LiterallyJustTheNumber8 I think that even if Superman AKA Clark Kent sees himself as a Terran he like say MR Spock or Mr. Worf was able to move about and be accepted by the society at large they still considered themselves Strangers in a Strange Land. Even if the radiation from our yellow sun had not heightened his natural abilities as was portrayed in the original comics he would have still been an extra-ordinary person Read Gladiator about Hugo Danner and then follow it up with the early published Superman comics from the thirties his people on krypton while not as near god-like as kal lel became on earth, were able to do all the things the original Superman in the comics could do naturally
Anyone else find it funny when he said “he is a careless hero in a city of maskless villains” only to cut to a scene with a villain in a mask.
Hmm..Why does the second half of this video look the same as your The Real Batman vs. Superman that was uploaded may 16, 2022?
GORDON cheats on his partner??? Dude it’s OK to say wife!
I think it’s fair to say that we all got that Vee was talking about Gordon’s wife, but used the term "partner" in order to be able to use the line "cheated on his partner, with his partner!" Puns matter, my friend! 😏
Ben Mackenzie as young batman is awesome. I love when other batman story actors step into different roles. It was a little weird hearing Gordan as Batman, but not when you have Bryan Cranston as Gordan here.
bro i feel for you starting this before the batman came out but only being able to get it out now
I didn’t know these animated films were connected
and this is how the batman (2021) captures it
Did this video come out two years late
There r stoners who r like her parents, so it is valid thing 2 have though.
Frank Miller did a better job than a lot of current writers combined on both DC and Marvel .
Great write up, couple of things though.
First is Batman killing Joker, I liked it more in the comic where it's pretty much implied he goes off the rails and kills him. I mean he snaps his neck in a moment of rage, and joker catches fire and starts talking in grey bubbles that were used for the "batman" voice in Bruces head.
Second The notion that Batman's prominence enabling the rise of costumed criminals directly harkens back to year One where Catwoman is inspired to put on the mask. Batman then inspires the Mutant gang to become the Batgang. This consistent through line leads me to believe that it's less of a critique of the character, and more of an admittance of his ability to inspire and change. He has successfully become a supernatural phenomenon like he wanted, but It's "to what end." that's really in question.
Third the scene where Clark and Bruce talk on the ranch. It's a juxtaposition of symbols - an American eagle for Superman and the US government, a lone wolf for Batman and a rat for the Oliver who is also the common American. The eagle swoops down, which he could have at any point and takes it in his grasp. Like how Superman now has Americas fate in his hands as a nuclear deterrent, and an arm of the government. Hence Green Arrows missing arm, and while his ability to function might SEEM hampered his spirit keeps him going. Just like the American people under this oppressive regime still have fight left in them. Ollie and the common man need help to overthrow the Eagle. Hence the other alpha, the lone dog.
Fourth the chain of mayor, governor, Senator and President all passing the buck and denying responsibility is cyclical. Think about it, who replaces the President? Another identical link in the chain, so nothing changes.
So what does? What's the point of it all? Batman breaks the chain. Batman is the other alpha that can guard the ranch. He wont be as bad as the Eagle, as Government stooge Superman because he DOES accept responsibility. That his actions have consequences. He realizes this when he DOES kill the Joker, realizes he goes to far and doesn't do that again. Regan's war with Russia ends with him alone in a bunker protecting himself, while his followers the American people are left to rot. Batman's war ends with his followers safe.
Some of the worst takes I’ve ever seen or heard of when it comes to TDKR
Good video mate👍🏻 --but there's 1small detail i wanna mention cuz u put it as an example here, it's that in the Killing~Joke batman didn't kill the
Joker🃏 in fact it let's us know that he was arrested due to the police lights that are shown coming while both laughing, otherwise it would have shown the kill as the rest of the killings in the book, also A.Moor confirmed it in an interview..
We open to a sea of dead bodies on the floor of a TV talk show as the camera moves from left to right at eye level with the dead bodies. We see a green pointy dress shoe walk into the frame, crushing the fingers of one of the dead bodies in the floor. The camera pans up and we see the joker smirking over a sea of dead bodies from behind. We turns only revealing half his face and we get a look at the Joker as he sees Batman arriving to the scene a few skyscrapers away. We pan to the eyes of Batman that are amazed, sickened and raged and what the Joker had accomplished. We see the Joker turn around with a wide smile seeing Batman and says “To be a billionaire, you’re always a dollar short”. Screen goes black
Vee, you're an all-star Batman content creator. Loving all the videos lately.
"I understood that reference!"
Its always been my head cannon tha jim knows that bruce is batman( its been shown a couple times in comics and movies) 9:21 he just doesnt say anything because he knows the city needs batman more than bruce wayne
I feel Batman Year One wasn't truely a Batman story persay...it's a story about Jim Gordon, he's the real protagonist. He's not perfect. He's made mistakes and makes more...wants to do the right thing and doesn't want to make waves...but events change his mind. Even at the end he's nowhere near perfect...he's just...like us. Trying to do our best even with our faults.
I hope one day we get an adaptation of all star Batman by Frank miller in animated form. That’d be amazing lol
No, god please no. Don't do that.
@@GM-gb1euHE'S THE GODDAMN BATMAN
@@GM-gb1euI know but hearing some actual voice actor reading batman’s monologue’s would be to funny
@@MSTUD10S Every time he says that, take a shot. You will not last to the half of the book. Best way to get drunk.
Bruce Greenwood would be cool
@@Not-spelt-like-at
I like these movies tbh.
Absolutely an awesome video, about time someone talks about these movies!
Posted 6 hours ago? And your talking about the Batman coming out in the future?
Must be re upload
I won’t lie, I’ve been avoiding these movies, for two reasons: *1.* Because I _hate_ the art style of the comics that they’re based on, and *2.* IMDb reviews are _not_ favourable!
That being said, seeing clips of BYO here, in your video, and getting not just a positive review, but all your reasons for _why_ you love it, has made me want to give _'Batman: Year One'_ a chance! 🙂
I’ll never watch _'Batman: The Dark Knight Returns',_ though, be it Part 1 _or_ Part 2!
the imdb reviews are shit, I've generally learned to ignore them
@@MisterSandmanAU I’m learning that too 😕
20:41 you were right about that dawg. Like I watched it till 23:06 and in all honesty I can’t continue watching
Still a good video tho
Fr like this is one of the best Batman movies I’ve ever seen and he’s just clueless
Also I guess TDKR kind of inspired the talk show scene in Joker, but that was a scene almost directly re done from King of Comedy also starring Robert DeNiro from the 70s
Joker was just an homage to Taxi Driver and King of Comedy with a fresh coat of paint, pun intended, it isn’t bad, but please man, do at least a little bit more research before making the claims that you do
I'm not gonna lie. When I saw that Jim had cheated, I literally yelled out "JIM!!!" as if he was a relative I was disappointed in. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Interesting that Jim and Sarah are married during the beginning of The Dark Knight Returns
I want Danny DaVeto as Hawkgirl
Batman Begins seem to depict the corruption rather well.
I don't really like politics in what is supposed to be escapist entertainment, but I understand it in The Dark Knight Returns. It is solidly set in its timeframe of the 1980s. The Cold War still existed, even though it didn't feel like it was everpresent in American life. This just takes the nuclear threat and dials it up to 11. Soviet aggression still existed in our hemisphere, and in this hyper realistic take on DC's universe, the President would send Superman to handle the threats.
You kinda have to accept it for the time of its creation and not let the politics bog you down.
I’m actually trying to blueprint a Frank Miller verse film series
Batman didn’t kill the joker the joker killed himself to make it look like it was batman and batman didn’t spit on the joker he spit a flammable thing on him so he could escape. As well as that in general there was a lot of details missed in this analysis of the dark knight returns. Frank Millers writing is inherently satirical and at some points becomes too much like all star batman. But the way i interpret the political stuff in this movie is that it’s merely there for world building. It’s a world like ours it’s silly everything is so extreme in real life and the movie and the book merely place batman in the middle of it. Batman himself doesn’t take sides he just does batman stuff and is faced with the world. That’s part of what made this so great it’s because it’s not just larger than life hero stuff. Batman is flawed like the rest of us yet works to become better.
I just ordered the dark knight 3 master race graphic novel, I can't wait to read it
Batman Year Two is actually technically a real thing, as The Long Halloween is seen as the follow up to Batman Year One, and Batman Dark Victory the direct follow up to Batman the Long Halloween… so do with that what you will.
2:52 The Eiffel Tower isn't crooked, you're thinking of the Leaning Tower of Pisa! 😄🤣Frank Miller made only two Batman stories that were masterpieces: The Dark Knight Returns and Year One. Everything he has done with the character of Batman since has been self-indulgent, unreadable garbage.
Huh. Never knew those movies were connected. Figured the animated versions were their own little pocket universes.
Batman’s most powerful attribute the writers imagination. Funny, how fighting a bunch of thugs they only decide to shoot when he decide to attack them. Every time he fights Superman it’s always some nonsense let him fight Vegeta what do you think will happen alliteration but that’s just my opinion.
He literally shaves the mustache as part of the intro, what are you on about?
Edit: THE SHEER DISRESPECT FOR THE TDKR JOKER, YOU- WH- .....you wouldn't get it 🚬🤡
Bro, anyone saying the Batman and Batgirl relationship wasn't a thing. Hasn't read Batman 2.0, ALSO it's a really good way to give him and Grayson their falling out. YES it is awkward, but it happened so 🤷🏽♂️
Pretty good reviews! With the Dark Knight Returns political commentary, I think the work is a bit more on the 80s spectrum of things, and may be clearer to examine it as being less political viewpoints from the modern lens, and more 'establishment' shortcomings and attitudes
My patience has paid off
funny how you keep saying you're not political yet keep shitting on the movie for being more conservative than liberal--- yet you never mention the opposite in any of your other videos that are clearly liberal centered from DC, kinda funny how bias shows itself.
Long Halloween is the sequel to Year one.
Man wants to act like the Mutants in the DC movies are the same kind of mutants in XMEN. I like XMEN mutants too but they’re two different things.
If i had a nickel for every time i heard that Bryan Cranston should play a live action version of a character named Gordon, I'd have 2 nickels, which isn't a lot but its weird that it happened twice. Always wanted to say that :)
Say...its miller time
I think you meant the leaning tower of Pisa
6:04 He never dropped an F bomb in Year One, at least not in the movie version, he said "Lucky amateur"