Wow, thats very impressive. A single 59 with a full load , shoving a also fully laidened High speed passenger train. Hats off to the bloke who suggested doing this. :)
I heared a similar story from a retired train engineer. He got red light for his passenger train and got puzzled. It had never been red light for that amount of time there, at that time of the day. He passed the red light slowly and finally found a stranded cargo train. He hooked one to it, blew the horn for "release the brakes", hoped the cargo train driver understood, and pushed the "wreck" into the next station. That was some 50 - 60 years ago. Nowdays no driver would dare to do like that. The modern seafet system would go ballistic. Too often special adapter couplings are needed nowdays.
The driver of the 59 would hardly know he had the HST on there. The total weight of an HST is an extra 3 and a half of those loaded stone wagons.(357 tons)
...Someone give this guy a Hornby model, as a gold plated Oscar-style award to boot. This reminds me so much of the RWS story "Super Rescue", doesn't it much?
Actually I saw something similar once to the north of Chesterfield, a cross country train hauled by 31464 failed with its own six or seven coach train, to be pushed on to Sheffield by 47413 with its own eight coach train...the shit coming out of the duffs roof was something to behold!
Take note Amtrak...look how easy it is.....if you don't have a loco spare to rescue your many failed units, don't leave your passengers sitting for hours have a freighter rescue us!! LEARN from our British cousins!!!!!
Bill william they know the issues it's just they haven't the money to fix them also the class 59 from what I can tell is a freighter so why did you say learn ?
Ridiculously powerful beasts, the 59s. They may be American but they are pretty impressive. I think the aforementioned record stands at around 11,000 tonnes, but that's for European railways. For one of the acceptance tests, a fully loaded train was stopped on a 1 in 40 incline, the trailing Class 56 and a second 59 were shut down, the rails were greased and a single 59 got the whole damn thing moving! 3,000 tonnes! Got a very clever 'traction control' for want of a better phrase. Scary!
Built by General Motors Diesel Division at their Canadian plant in London, Ontario in 1990. The four Class 59/1 locomotives owned by Hanson (parent company of the former owners Amey Roadstone Construction) are similar to the Class 59/0 locomotives of Foster Yeoman, the main differences being a revised head light and marker light layout and the fitting of yaw dampers to permit the maximum speed to be increased to 75 mph (121 km/h).
when i was a secondman at stratford we had a class 59 in for training and it was put on a load test and well lets just say they needed to get a few fitters to fix the load tester after it
TheAdrew1967 I can imagine! In North America the class 59 was based on the model SD40-2. That was the locomotive which I learned the trade. They were very reliable, and are still the gold standard of how a locomotive should be designed and constructed.
Well you say the HST is dead but it isn't if you look where the exhaust outlets are you can still see the smoke coming out of them oh and you can hear the noise of the HST engines so it's not exactly dead
Yes Bristol SpotterHD, the Loco at the rear couples up and provides the power, whilst the driver up front has the brake, Bearing in mine, both Drivers know where they are in relation to the area and road.
I think the slight downhill gradient probably helped it a bit. That said there is footage of a loaded 66 rescuing a failed 225 on here too. They might be ugly but the do have a lot of torque!
I used to work for Burlington Northern. We used to get 3 of the North American SD40-2 locomotives on 17-18,000 ton coal trains. The model which I mentioned was what the class 59 was based from.
@nov3019892008 I believe the Class 59 actually holds the world record in such matters. It has a silly amount of taulk so it can push / pull immense loads.
A 59 has a higher starting tractive effort than a 60. But since an HST set comes out at 370 tons give or take, its actaully lighter than only 4 of those loaded stone wagons! I do know a driver who works out of Mendip quarry, who took a 59 over Savernake bank with 4'000 tons.
59 is supplying the driving force and air pressure for the brakes. The HST is not fitted for multiple-working so when being rescued it only has the emergency coupler and airpipes to connect. Presumably the driver of the HST and the 59 were in radio comms to co-ordinate; plus the HST needs someone to acknowledge the AWS/TPWS tones.
@@hksproductions8507 No they don't. They do not have concealed buffers. The only panel that moves is a small one below the line of the lights. Look up on RUclips, there's a training video that shows the use of the emergency coupling. The only HSTs to have buffers are those that were for use on the East Coast Main line in the early days of the 91s. They have had the lower skirt removed and the buffers are a permanently exposed feature.
@84Knuckles or David Attenborough " Im here in the bushes just outside bath, i cant believe the sight, here we have a fine specimen called Hanson sneaking up on his unsuspecting pray Western.," sorry i was getting carried away then :D
Looked in my diary, 8th April 2010, 59103 on Avonmouth (Bennetts) to Crawley approx 1500t. Train was 1A27 Bristol - Pad. Total loss of power on the HST from the leading cab but had control of the brake once we coupled up. The 59 was powering. All passengers off at Bath Spa.
So not exactly a full load then, that's nothing compared to what the 59s often pull out of Merehead. Bennetts siding is quite restrictive on the length of the train if you don't want to block the road crossing.
I think at the beginning and you mentioned it some "popping' like sounds that's normal... That's just detonators on the track put there by the train crew of the failed train as protection.. it serves to warn the driver of the approaching train there is danger ahead, it also let's everyone around the area that being any train crew or mobile operation managers or fleet that a train is approaching.
When you have a loco that works 4000ton stone trains, pushing an HST set isn't that much of an ask. That said most type5 loco's are the same, the 56s and 60s ripped the couplings out of many a wagon.
honours1980 They are! They are based on the North American General Motors SD40-2 model. I’ve run them extensively in the US and Canada, and they really are impressive.
Hardly a test. 4000t on the 59, then another 360t for the hst, a 59 holds the record for the heaviest and longest train in Europe at 11982t and 6415ft long, so this one isn't even at half that.
No I don't think its a full load as so say of a train but they are fully loaded wagon's but yeah I've seen 59s on hell of a lot more wagons and heavier load so yeah not a fully loaded train
These Class 59,JT42CWR or Series 66 are built in London, Ontario. Canada.by General motors EMD division.and they have power of: 3,300 bhp (2,460 kW) They are not built in America.
The 59's were built at the La Grange works in Chicago Illinois. 66's in London Ontario. The last 66's built were conctructed in the USA, Muncie Indiana.
@fiddleandcatz It was rather blue, I rather sheepishly apologised to the people who were directly behind the cab door when I got out to use the SPT - oops lol
59 is doing all the controlling, HSTs only have brake pipe connections in the nose as not fitted for multiple working. There'll be a bod in the front HST cab with a radio to co-ordinate as well as acknowledging any AWS/TPWS bells
Multi-purpose Vehicles, used as self-propelled plant by network rail. They are modular so can be equipped for various "missions" on the network eg adhesion duties during times of leaf fall
The only concern id have is the loco coupling up to a passenger train full of passengers if anything went even slightly wrong big problems. The locos ie one at each end would have zero problems doing that there only pushing the train at 10 mph
@@tgk300xx4 no a 56 or 66 could not do this if they both had full load of wagons behind it a 56s tractive effort is 62.000lbs a 66 is some where around 70 to 80.000lbs and a 59 is around 120.000lbs so only a 59 or yes you are correct in saying a 60 and 70 can also do this but not a 56 or 66
Wasn't try saving the train for usual with plans new express service better than wasted, hm?? (Oh dear, what these coaches have done spoiled the windows is!!) 😯💔
I hope this comes across as constructive, rather than critical. "Crap" is harsh but the video's kinda hard to watch in places because you're always zooming in and out and panning left and right. Keep the zooms slow or edit the footage afterwards to remove these disorienting bits. You do a great job with the trains that pass at speed; at other times, it feels more like you're hunting around for something to show us. Find a shot, stick with it for a bit and then edit to cut to the next one.
There is a training video for HST guards showing how to couple an HST loco to any other rail loco or wagon using one of the the three couplers stored in the guard's compartment of each hst loco.
Each hst loc has a hitching point behind the removable panel in the bonnet. There are three different adaptors for the majority of all British rail wagons, carriages and locos, making the HST loco very.versatile..
Wow, thats very impressive. A single 59 with a full load , shoving a also fully laidened High speed passenger train. Hats off to the bloke who suggested doing this. :)
Probably the driver of the 59
@@benconway9010 He probably thought its in my way i'll move it
I heared a similar story from a retired train engineer. He got red light for his passenger train and got puzzled. It had never been red light for that amount of time there, at that time of the day. He passed the red light slowly and finally found a stranded cargo train. He hooked one to it, blew the horn for "release the brakes", hoped the cargo train driver understood, and pushed the "wreck" into the next station. That was some 50 - 60 years ago. Nowdays no driver would dare to do like that. The modern seafet system would go ballistic.
Too often special adapter couplings are needed nowdays.
The driver of the 59 would hardly know he had the HST on there. The total weight of an HST is an extra 3 and a half of those loaded stone wagons.(357 tons)
@@SionsTrainVideos the comment is a joke on the fact that the driver would barely notice the extra weight
@@SionsTrainVideos muppet
The length rather than the weight would be a problem, as the drivers are rarely in the middle of a train, I would have thought.
@@kenunderwood8621 radios make this easier, as the HST still has a crew on the head end to observe the signals and crossings.
@@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis Cheers bro!
Yep, sometimes the proper application of a single 139 ton, 3300hp locomotive is all you need for problem solving. A heavily laden locomotive to boot!
...Someone give this guy a Hornby model, as a gold plated Oscar-style award to boot.
This reminds me so much of the RWS story "Super Rescue", doesn't it much?
There already is a Hornby model of the 59 but unfortunately it hasn’t been retooled for about 20 years or so and has nonfunctional lights on the end
1:34 - that one time, when you're actually better off, waiting for next one :P
Actually I saw something similar once to the north of Chesterfield, a cross country train hauled by 31464 failed with its own six or seven coach train, to be pushed on to Sheffield by 47413 with its own eight coach train...the shit coming out of the duffs roof was something to behold!
Take note Amtrak...look how easy it is.....if you don't have a loco spare to rescue your many failed units, don't leave your passengers sitting for hours have a freighter rescue us!! LEARN from our British cousins!!!!!
Bill william they know the issues it's just they haven't the money to fix them also the class 59 from what I can tell is a freighter so why did you say learn ?
Bill william I think the point was to learn to use freighters to rescue rather than whatever they do instead.
I think it's a bit more complicated in the us.
Not really. Although the locomotives are owned by different companies in the US, it's still the same in the UK
US is bigger than UK...
Ridiculously powerful beasts, the 59s. They may be American but they are pretty impressive. I think the aforementioned record stands at around 11,000 tonnes, but that's for European railways. For one of the acceptance tests, a fully loaded train was stopped on a 1 in 40 incline, the trailing Class 56 and a second 59 were shut down, the rails were greased and a single 59 got the whole damn thing moving! 3,000 tonnes! Got a very clever 'traction control' for want of a better phrase. Scary!
11982t at 6415ft is the euro record. Held by 59005.
Great footage. Power of 59 loaded pushing an Intercity 125 like that is awesome. In right place at right time . Great catch
Now that’s a beast! To start it pulls 30 something stone wagons and a 10-car express train as well, EFFORTLESSLY!
Eight coach, the powercars don't count as coaches
Unusual for an HST to be a complete failure.
yeah it is
FGW ones weren't always the best
VERY unusual
Sure is a rare sight. Fantastic capture
sure is Sir Keith ,,,
-2 series EMD locomotives are just plain bulletproof. That’s the best locomotive design ever, and there’s no debating that!
that loco alone has set the standards for servicing and reliability for today's diesel electric locomotives.
Built by General Motors Diesel Division at their Canadian plant in London, Ontario in 1990. The four Class 59/1 locomotives owned by Hanson (parent company of the former owners Amey Roadstone Construction) are similar to the Class 59/0 locomotives of Foster Yeoman, the main differences being a revised head light and marker light layout and the fitting of yaw dampers to permit the maximum speed to be increased to 75 mph (121 km/h).
when i was a secondman at stratford we had a class 59 in for training and it was put on a load test and well lets just say they needed to get a few fitters to fix the load tester after it
TheAdrew1967 I can imagine! In North America the class 59 was based on the model SD40-2. That was the locomotive which I learned the trade. They were very reliable, and are still the gold standard of how a locomotive should be designed and constructed.
Brian Burns The SD-40's were legendary!
@@InventorZahran *are legendary.
The banging is the loco driving over detonators placed as protection for the failed unit.
The 59 is in power pushing the HST which is dead im guessing theres someone in the cab of the hst doing the signals etc
Well you say the HST is dead but it isn't if you look where the exhaust outlets are you can still see the smoke coming out of them oh and you can hear the noise of the HST engines so it's not exactly dead
Yes Bristol SpotterHD, the Loco at the rear couples up and provides the power, whilst the driver up front has the brake, Bearing in mine, both Drivers know where they are in relation to the area and road.
@@benconway9010 could be a cab failure
To be fair a HST breaking down is quite rare
to this day simply outrageous! gutted i past this on a hst going oppisite direction around the twerton tunnel area :(
I think the slight downhill gradient probably helped it a bit.
That said there is footage of a loaded 66 rescuing a failed 225 on here too. They might be ugly but the do have a lot of torque!
its always great to see hst still in use. im surprised a 59 was allowed or even capable to move a train that long
I used to work for Burlington Northern. We used to get 3 of the North American SD40-2 locomotives on 17-18,000 ton coal trains. The model which I mentioned was what the class 59 was based from.
A 59/0 hold the record for the heaviest and longest train in Europe, 11982t, 6415ft long. 59005 Kenneth J Painter.
The guy who shoved a HST deserves a medal 🏅
Impressive stuff there recusing my favourite diesel the class 59s are an amazing beast
@nov3019892008 I believe the Class 59 actually holds the world record in such matters. It has a silly amount of taulk so it can push / pull immense loads.
Maybe not a world record. But 59005 holds the record for the heaviest train in Europe, at 11982t at 6415ft (1.2 miles) long
A 59 has a higher starting tractive effort than a 60. But since an HST set comes out at 370 tons give or take, its actaully lighter than only 4 of those loaded stone wagons!
I do know a driver who works out of Mendip quarry, who took a 59 over Savernake bank with 4'000 tons.
Very nice love seeing unusual move, thanks for sharing - Kyle
nice to hear three detonators going off, bloody scary being on a passenger train when they go off under your train
A very rare catch indeed. HST failures are rare enough but that is extreme. A like and sub from me.
A very interesting catch, do you know whatwas wrong with the HST. Just shows how good the old 59's are.
@bladesman123 The Class 59s took a lot of planning; the Class 66s were a rushed development of the 59 to replace ageing locomotives owned by EWS
So is the 59 now being controlled from the HST cab? Or will there just be a radio or phone link for signals etc?
59 is supplying the driving force and air pressure for the brakes. The HST is not fitted for multiple-working so when being rescued it only has the emergency coupler and airpipes to connect. Presumably the driver of the HST and the 59 were in radio comms to co-ordinate; plus the HST needs someone to acknowledge the AWS/TPWS tones.
Now this is just courage
How did the 59 couple to HST, as there’s no buffers, is the draw bar suitable ?
They actually have buffers and a draw bars. They are hidden inside of the noise of the engines to make it look more modern
@@hksproductions8507
No they don't. They do not have concealed buffers. The only panel that moves is a small one below the line of the lights.
Look up on RUclips, there's a training video that shows the use of the emergency coupling.
The only HSTs to have buffers are those that were for use on the East Coast Main line in the early days of the 91s. They have had the lower skirt removed and the buffers are a permanently exposed feature.
@@hksproductions8507
Watch this video.
It's the HST coupling training film.
ruclips.net/video/silAEkvqJ-Y/видео.html
Watch this HST coupling training film.
ruclips.net/video/silAEkvqJ-Y/видео.html
@84Knuckles or David Attenborough
" Im here in the bushes just outside bath, i cant believe the sight, here we have a fine specimen called Hanson sneaking up on his unsuspecting pray Western.," sorry i was getting carried away then :D
You half want ringo star to be narrating
"once Hanson had rescued the hst they became the best of friends"
Looked in my diary, 8th April 2010, 59103 on Avonmouth (Bennetts) to Crawley approx 1500t. Train was 1A27 Bristol - Pad. Total loss of power on the HST from the leading cab but had control of the brake once we coupled up. The 59 was powering. All passengers off at Bath Spa.
So not exactly a full load then, that's nothing compared to what the 59s often pull out of Merehead. Bennetts siding is quite restrictive on the length of the train if you don't want to block the road crossing.
This shows the amazing power of the class 59
Fantastic I thought she was a 66 then wonder if a 66 could do it well done class 59 🙂
Nope a 66 can no way do what a 59 can do
I think at the beginning and you mentioned it some "popping' like sounds that's normal... That's just detonators on the track put there by the train crew of the failed train as protection.. it serves to warn the driver of the approaching train there is danger ahead, it also let's everyone around the area that being any train crew or mobile operation managers or fleet that a train is approaching.
Never seen that before,some intresting vids on your channnel cheers for looking in at my little layout regards Tony.
When you have a loco that works 4000ton stone trains, pushing an HST set isn't that much of an ask. That said most type5 loco's are the same, the 56s and 60s ripped the couplings out of many a wagon.
What a beast pulling all that
i tell ya those 59s hav got some power
So one track was closed while it was moved?
Super rescue but with out Henry
The power of the 59! Immense
Well.
I think we all know the right thing to do.
#SuperRescue
Wikipedia Class 59 and read some of the statistics for this loco. They are monsters!
honours1980 They are! They are based on the North American General Motors SD40-2 model. I’ve run them extensively in the US and Canada, and they really are impressive.
Sometimes a little push is all you need 😂
cracking footage,right place at the right time,where did it get taken off with the load in tow,bloody brilliant,look forward to the next rescue move!
Yes! This was the one.I watched!
And those Hand held Pinions on the traction motors ;)
@Paulsimon8 I can imagine, it was rather interesting to hear the variety of languages that we were all suddenly able to speak!!
The language was that of a two stroke GM 645E3.
Wasn’t 59101 involved in an accident at Southall in 1997?
thats one way of testing a 59 put a load of ballast trucks on it and stick a dead hst on it for good measures
Hardly a test. 4000t on the 59, then another 360t for the hst, a 59 holds the record for the heaviest and longest train in Europe at 11982t and 6415ft long, so this one isn't even at half that.
Get out of my way little boy!
Wow some power on that loco.
I agree with beeble2003 here; hold the camera more steady please.
But anyway... POWERRRRR!!!
What's the MPG of the 59 here lol?
more like Gallons Per Mile.
It's YPG. Yards per gallon.
These 59's just dont do red signals... they're very impatient lol
the HST failed
class 59 be like, 'your in the way mate'
HST 'sorry i cant do anything
class 59 'your in the way.. MATE.
the banging things r detonators placed on the track to warn of a hazard ahead.
tpvalley
Is that a full load for the 59? Surely not. Im sure it have seen 59s pull more than that. Just asking?
No I don't think its a full load as so say of a train but they are fully loaded wagon's but yeah I've seen 59s on hell of a lot more wagons and heavier load so yeah not a fully loaded train
These Class 59,JT42CWR or Series 66 are built in London, Ontario. Canada.by General motors EMD division.and they have power of: 3,300 bhp (2,460 kW)
They are not built in America.
hugo benedict they where from what I have spotted on the wiki somewhere in Indiana I think
The 59's were built at the La Grange works in Chicago Illinois. 66's in London Ontario. The last 66's built were conctructed in the USA, Muncie Indiana.
This HST must've had a serious problem if both power cars aren't working...
Great catch!!
@fiddleandcatz
It was rather blue, I rather sheepishly apologised to the people who were directly behind the cab door when I got out to use the SPT - oops lol
I don’t think the capability of the 59 to move such a train is ever in doubt, the working however is unusual for sure
The Class 59 is very Powerful indeed
very good, quite an amazing site
I gathered the 59 was pushing the HST, just wondered whether the 59 was being controlled from it's cab or remotely from the HST.
59 is doing all the controlling, HSTs only have brake pipe connections in the nose as not fitted for multiple working. There'll be a bod in the front HST cab with a radio to co-ordinate as well as acknowledging any AWS/TPWS bells
Some people are cruel for no reason, there is nothing wrong with your filming at all, just ignore him...
Class 59 casually adds another 450 tonnes to its consist and carries on.
Are the HST carriage windows smashed?
No, they are reflections
What were those thing at the end?
Multi-purpose Vehicles, used as self-propelled plant by network rail. They are modular so can be equipped for various "missions" on the network eg adhesion duties during times of leaf fall
Network Rail MPVs - Windhoff CargoSprinter freight multiple units used for track maintenance
5* wow brillant vid mate
It looked like a class 66 but it has the same body shape as a class 59
It's true 2 Class 66/59
The 66 was based on the 59 design but the 59 has way more power
The 59 only has a very small load on so nowhere near fully loaded, did't break into a sweat with the the HST on the front.
Good video .. the filming is ok
The HST from the front is formed Coaches HGFEDCBA
Was it for London Paddington
@fiddleandcatz
Even scarrier when you're driving and you crack a set off - Made me shout some rather offensive words in my time doing that! lol
International rescue
I SEE THE LEADING POWERCAR IS WORKING.
The only concern id have is the loco coupling up to a passenger train full of passengers if anything went even slightly wrong big problems. The locos ie one at each end would have zero problems doing that there only pushing the train at 10 mph
@1988Scottie why is my filming crap?
Did the people on the goods engine were pushing the train
Lubdhak Das q1
We're they pushing
its called electronic creep control
pretty much 1 track provided 2 directions
Would a 66 be capable of doing this?
Yes, this isn’t actually that impressive. A 60, 56, 66 and also a 70 could also do this.
@@tgk300xx4 no a 56 or 66 could not do this if they both had full load of wagons behind it a 56s tractive effort is 62.000lbs a 66 is some where around 70 to 80.000lbs and a 59 is around 120.000lbs so only a 59 or yes you are correct in saying a 60 and 70 can also do this but not a 56 or 66
@@benconway9010 Maybe not a 56, but a 66 and it’s TE is 96,000
@@tgk300xx4 still not more than a 59 tho
@@benconway9010 That’s true. A 59 can do it easy as shown. A 66 could also do it but I think it would be a struggle.
I wonder how much paperwork was involved in the process!
@TractorSnarl Then why did they bother making the class 66 from it? why not just order lots of class 59s? as ther are clearly a lot better.
design evolution.
Wasn't try saving the train for usual with plans new express service better than wasted, hm?? (Oh dear, what these coaches have done spoiled the windows is!!) 😯💔
Train driver must have moved up from driving an 8 wheeler tipper, they have no patience either 😂
lucky catch!
Maybe they want to bump start the HST
I hope this comes across as constructive, rather than critical. "Crap" is harsh but the video's kinda hard to watch in places because you're always zooming in and out and panning left and right. Keep the zooms slow or edit the footage afterwards to remove these disorienting bits. You do a great job with the trains that pass at speed; at other times, it feels more like you're hunting around for something to show us. Find a shot, stick with it for a bit and then edit to cut to the next one.
Wouldnt say failed the Hst struck a tree at 90mph
Hah! Never seen anything like this before!
There is a training video for HST guards showing how to couple an HST loco to any other rail loco or wagon using one of the the three couplers stored in the guard's compartment of each hst loco.
Each hst loc has a hitching point behind the removable panel in the bonnet. There are three different adaptors for the majority of all British rail wagons, carriages and locos, making the HST loco very.versatile..