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So we need to set examples but did Danny just say fatphobia is acceptable because fat people can eat less to avoid hate? I think these tragic events just point to the void that is obviously mental health in your country. It’s bad everywhere, but nobody, and especially nobody’s uninvolved relative, should become deceased as a result of verbal comments. I am no stranger to abuse, harassment, stalking etc. and am aware that it breaks down a person. But it the culture of public shaming, and lack of dialogue and support, not the netizens, that should be the focus of any attempts at reparations. A person who is supported properly, who is an adult public figure, should be able to manage these feelings. You will never eliminate public opinion as a public figure.
I love how the explanation to "are they going to be able to top korean charts?" is literally "They´re Bigbang" Edit: it´s the comeback date and I just came back to say that they are doing just fine in the charts (#1 in Melon and #1 in Flo - they did it without breaking a sweat) Edit 2: they are demolishing charts with roof hit after roof hit and they did with just some promo poloroids and flowers. Kings Indeed.
@@sara.cbc92 Imagine being "criminals" and still top charts. I hope you don't give yourself a stroke when the time comes. But you know what, I think they won't be as successful as before, mostly because I predict certain fandom/s to sabotage their comeback.
It wasn't suicide. It was murder and the weapon used was cyber bullying. Every single comment out there needs to be treated as evidence and the people hiding behind these comments need to be held accountable. This is genuinely disgusting.
Um, how about don't read the comments and/or delete your social media account? Akwafina deleted her Twitter account because she was sick of dealing with the hate.
@@xuimod being on social media is a part of their job. And If not social media then it’s fan mail, comments on news reports, harassment of their family members and so on. Besides, celebrity or not, cyber bullying is a criminal offence. Deleting one’s social media doesn’t delete the problem itself.
@@xuimod That's some form of victim-blaming right here. Why not never use the internet? You know, the most important tool we have right now? Bullying someone out of social media isn't defensible! And it isn't a solution.
@@xuimod speaking like one of the privileged people who have never been cyberbullied before. How about we just stop with victim-blaming all together? Not to mention her mother committed suicide too.
Freedom of speech means people can say things YOU disagree with, without jailing people just because they offended your delicate sensibilities. It's tragic that these two athletes were supposedly so damaged by toxic comments, but you have absolutely no clue as to their own mental health and whether they may have done this with or without such comments. When social media is hurting you that badly, don't read it...or change accounts. But you can't fill prisons with innocent people simply because you're a snowflake.
Those bullying issues are really scary and sad... I agree that it should be legally repressed way more to set an example. I don't know how it works in Korea but here in France we had a famous case of a (now) public figure whose bullies were sentenced. I reckon the punishments were not *that* high but it at least showed that you're not untouchable on the Internet, and even hidden behind a pseudonym your identity can be found.
The problem with legality is that most laws lag behind the internet and its ability to virally increase harassment online exponentially. That plus the relative ease with which you can hide your identity makes things difficult. While laws and legal efforts catch up to dealing with this kind of abuse, the better way to go about it is that the social media and community places that house these comments need to take ownership and de-platform or ban anyone engaging in targeted harassment of this nature, and keep doing it until people get the message. Higher standards and terms of service for using these online platforms will go a ways towards minimizing the access these commenters have to the celebrities in question - even if it turns out to be a consistent battle to do so. Additionally, representing companies and sponsors need to support targeted celebrities in forcefully condemning such comments in the first place, while at the same time providing the support needed to cope with them. It seems uncommon that people will actually come out and say these behaviors are wrong or that companies will seek action against those that target them consistently. There will always be hate commenters and harassers but the reason we have this problem is that people go "it's the internet" or go "it won't remove them completely", so the standards have been lowered. A line needs to be drawn in the sand.
The school my niece and nephews went to has come up with a very effective way to counter bullying. It's called the big brother/big sister program. The school is grade one through eight. Every grade five student is assigned a grade one student, and they become the big brother/big sister. They help that child learn their way around school, check on them at lunch, help them with homework, and spend time together at recess. They stay "buddies" until the younger is at grade five, when they become a buddy to a new grade one student. This program encourages empathy and caring for others and reduces the power of cliques (kids don't have as much free time to spend in cliques because they have to help their little brother/sister. My oldest nephew is getting married this summer, and his 'little brother' from grade school is in his wedding party. They have stayed close all these years even though they attended different high schools. If all schools did something like this - make helping others a part of the curriculum - society might produce fewer bullies.
My school did this, the cara (friend in irish) system. A 6th year student (17/18) was assigned a first year and only officially for the first year, we made sure it wasnt just one on one we made an effort to learn who their friends were and we made sure that our caras knew our friend groups so if we were not around they had someone else to go to.
@@DKDKTV I would like to learn more about that is there a way to contact you. We are currently working on cyberbullying and promoting upstanding in schools.
Our school tried something like this too we had a buddy system where an older student from the year above would be a new year's buddy throughout the year to make sure they settle in. It lasted a couple of years then vanished though.
My high school had the same system, but it just encouraged more bullying. Many older "buddies" treated the younger ones like their servants, or made them believe that being bullied is a right of passage. The culture in the environment is what matters most, and culture can be difficult to change.
I know it's a different culture but the apparent hostility towards any korean woman who so much as accidentally associates with feminism is so scary to me. Isn't there also a culture of dating violence in South Korea? It's almost like a quiet, hidden misogyny to me. The disrespect of women and "others" is so scary to me.
@@josefine527 Both the misandry and misogyny in SK are toxic. Feminist movement there is not helping at all as it is more focused on things like women supremacy, man hate, body shaming men etc.. Also south koreans have their own culture and doesn't need westerners to educate them, liberate them or rescue them. Whites with a superhero complex really are tiring.
There should be activism against bullying in general, physical and virtual! People out on the streets protesting. Having news outlets like these and other social media showing how people are fed up with bullying. I think protests should be done outside important institutions about all types of bullying. The government is not enough and signing petitions are not enough.
Yes, Koreans seem very obsessed with cancelling celebs who's supposedly been bullies, but do they actually do anything and care about the bullying that's happening now?
@@kristin123a As an asian (I'm not Korean) and also knows how much more severe the age hierarchy is in Korea, that's easier said than done. If the age hierarchy is way more severe than the country I'm living in, I can only imagine how suppressed everyone in Korea is irl, regardless of age and financial status since there's always someone who's higher than you.
How can most ppl protest when many ppl participate in cancel culture? The cyberbullies always think that they are right and they hide their hated comments as criticism. Look at Wonyoung and Bahiyyih's case, ppl see nothing wrong with bashing them. They say that they're saying the truth and they say it's criticism. Everyone accuses knetz of severe bullying but aren't international fans guilty of this too
Big Bang’s comeback is the most anticipated comeback in kpop for 4 years since members went to mandatory service. After all struggles, scandals, social and press bullying they finally come back. I don’t care about charts, views or awards group may possibly get. BB always gives us great songs and outstanding live vocal performances, and that’s we have been missing in K-pop for several years.
Like always dude, we never care bout charts n votings. We stay late nite just to LISTEN N ENJOY their music, not moving our fingers around so hard to make our kings win votings
For me, I wouldn’t go as far as saying there hasn’t been any great songs or great live performances over the last few years because there have been some groups killing the stages, but I guess it’s subjective. I will agree that this comeback is the most anticipated comeback in Kpop. Unfortunately, not all of it is positive. I have already seen posts about Big Bang being referred to as the “criminal group” having a comeback. That kind of made me angry. I hope that the overwhelming love for the group outshines the few that focus on the negative. I just hope this comeback comes with an actual album, not just one song.
@@kickrockspleze it's been years we got used by that title n we made it as a joke too. Some of us even introduced or told BB as criminals group if people asked "what is ur fav Kpop BG?" N we said "ooh i love this criminals group that come from mafia agency, u know, BB from YG" Even BB n YG accustomed by people pointing their fingers n said bad things n tried to cancel them. But never happened. People still accept n listen their music, openly or secretly
Also BigBang members G-Dragon and Taeyang, they"re below 180cm, Jay of Ikon, D.O. and Suho of Exo. Even in Hollywood there are actors who are below 180cm like Harry Potter's actor Daniel Radcliffe.
I’m sorry you guys are still getting hate comments. I know you kind of played it off as a joke, but it always make me angry to see fans try to cancel people because they can’t see past their own self- righteousness. I have always appreciate and respect the effort and quality you put into your channel. You guys are doing a great job, especially you Danny.
I hope the victims Rest In Peace and that their families find some consolation. What a world we live in, I just don’t understand how people can say so many vile things about an innocent human being and still be able to sleep. Karma is real and it will come for those people, I hope that those miserable people who cause death stay miserable till the day they die.
The way some ARMY go off the handle if anyone even wonders if one of the members might be gay or bi..... As if it is the worst thing a person could be.
@@kiwiwooq Lmao you are talking as if Armys are a whole entity that all think the same way and act the same way. As if we all don't have our own different opinions and personalities. The way you people talk sometimes is something else...
RIP for those 2 precious souls. My heart is aching for them. I can't imagine the pain they have endured and gone through on their own. I just hope ppl learn from this, esp those who likes to spread hate, mean remarks and malicious comments.
it doesn’t matter what a person wears, what their preferences are, or even what their opinions are. you can disagree with a person and their choices and opinions while still being respectful. condolences to their family and friends.
Came to know about K-pop barely 2.5 years back. Since then I checked several groups music videos. Liked a lot of them. But when it comes to BigBang MVs it seemed to me a complete different era with so much fun & energy. Its not only merely good dancing, good vocal / rap or good visual, good melody, I felt a humane touch to it. I am quite excited now hearing their comeback.
Same, I remember watching mnet occasionally for the drama series they had on (I had no Interest or knowledge of Kpop) and one of the most memorable groups that stuck out to me were Big Bang, it was a whole different era back then, the music and performances were less censored ig, just more fun and less restricted. I wonder what they come up with now.
@@idothisforfun1300 I've been watching some other Gen 2 groups and others after and soooooo many things they took from Bigbang for their music and visuals for performances.
lol same. if the korean incels knew what feminists in the west say about men, they would shit their pants. if they already bullied that poor woman for barely nothing, imagine how they would react to what we say.
I think it’s more, he wants to release a SOLO project and the company doesn’t release albums that fast. Taeyang said the same thing about his last album (before enlistment), that they only allot a few albums/song releases a year. Which frustrates a lot of them including iKON, BP, Winner. I can see YG (the company) not having plans or faith in a TOP solo project. So he’ll release his album himself. Even Lee Hi, said they would only allow 4 comebacks a year. One for each quarter, which is insane. But that’s YG for you.
How can Korea have such high standards for making accusations of harassment from victims against alleged abusers, but allow blatant harassment online? So odd the disparity.
It's funny how Knetizen hates bully when in fact they are also a bully, a cyber bully. I hope all those keyboard warriors who left nasty and bad comments will feel bad about their self, they are so disgusting. So sad to these two precious angel, hope they find their peace. Condolence to their family.
Those people don't care about anyone but themselves and their opinion. They will just target the next person. It all will come back to them, one day they themselves will be targeted.
Yasssssss!!!!!! I got into Kpop back in 2012 because of Big Bang. So glad they are back. And I wish ppl would keep their comments to themselves especially unprovoked ones.
me too! fantastic baby drew me into any and all kpop of the time. around 2015 i fell out bc i just didn’t have the time or motivation anymore bc of what was happening in my life. BIGBANG, SHINee and B1A4 were the only groups i tried keeping up with with their releases at least. But then Jonghyun.. and B1A4 disbanded and Seungri’s fucking rot.. 3/3 honestly :/
@Minni This is what others don't understand. There will always be rude and toxic people in every fandom doing dumb shit. But most fandom always like to act like they are all innocent saints and only a few fandoms are toxic (Kpop stans mainly targeting Armys for that), when that is not true at all.
@Minni Ikr, this is what I always say. Army being a large fandom makes it seems as if majority is toxic when it is not true. Rude ones are just the loudest. Also other kpop stans can't just bash or talk bad on BTS and expect Armys not to retaliate, when they will do the same for their own idols. And the way each Armys clapback will be different. There will surely be ones that is toxic. I think, all kpop stans just need to stop the blaming game, focus on their faves and respect other artists even if they don't stan them. No fandom is innocent or a saint, so they should stop targeting one fandom as if the others never did anything.
I am disgusted that online bullying led to the deaths of those two. The problem is that these bullies think that being gay or being a feminist is a problem. What century are they living in? There absolutely needs to be legal ramifications for these comments that express hate, threats or bullying.
Excited for Big Bang comeback and I'm hoping for a mix of both slow and fast songs. Also, I would love a special from Taeyang about how he feels about fatherhood!!
I was watching all of us are dead these days and one frase from the teacher rlly stuck to me, “We live in a system of assault” or something like that. Bullying and cyberbullying are huge things in South Korea and it seems that it won’t stop so soon. How many people already died because of depression and malicious comments? And how many will die until they realize thats wrong to destroy a person’s mind with those types of comments?
Why can't people just be f$#@%&! nice! Keep your damn negative opinions to yourself! If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. People really have no idea how powerful their words can be.💔💔💔💔💔
Bro it's more serious than being nice. If someone is homophobic, incel or sexist they are a threat to society and should get professional help cuz they will kill people directly or indirectly.
@@Ghazalwluv Bro? Also, I never said that this wasn't a serious issue. It's obvious that people are already dying from this. Good luck with getting them to first, admit that they have an issue, and second, to counseling.
be careful with saying 'with being fat you can just eat less'.... cause plenty of "fat" people out there are heavy bc of medical issues, meds, emotional health... it's not always just abt "omg you eat too much" I realise that's most likely not how you meant it AT ALL. but it could trigger some people
I'm sorry to hear that you guys have received hate comments... please know that you are both awesome, and I really enjoy watching your videos! I love your dynamic and banter, and you keep me up to speed with the news :)
I really enjoyed her streams, as someone that doesn't understand a lot of korean but uses streams to learn, i never noticed how bad it had gotten. I hope knetizens change at some point. It's disgusting how some even seem to celebrate when their hate comments lead to death like this. She always seemed like a bubbly happy girl on stream and that also made her streams entertaining, just makes you realise how little you know about the behind-the-scenes just from watching some1s stream. After all streamers are also normal ppl and have a limit to the amount of hate they can take. I don't know how to fix it either, but there definitely has to be a change.
I feel like I was born again. Time to wake up for VIPS.. We've been resting... waiting... watching... etc., it's time for us to finally have something to look forward to with real excitement.
love bigbang's music, love GD's art creativity in all forms. and i hope the group won't focus on expectations and will comeback with something they like, love and want to share. i think they also can top anyone without much trying, just being themselves and producing best music masterpieces. hate comments are the real disaster in Korea, this news are just hideous some hate comments and fandom wars made me turned off and i didn't want to follow music of some bands, i hope i can concentrate on the appreciation of the art and not being crazy fan for whoever.... and that in the future the internet community will become more strict towards especially crazy fans and malicious comments(though i'm not seeing it's happening because of how much hype and money other parties are getting from it) and i just hate stupid comments about appearance. like....really ... you determinate your successes by your looks?! (it's not even only about being tall or smth... really stupid remark to do from very silly person). Jay Park is not tall and he is a legend. BTS once were called ugly, bigbang are not the korean standard beauties and GD still was the muse for karl lagerfeld's chanel. oh) and i love Lil Wayne's and Kendrick's music))) thanks for mentioning 🔥
so happy you guys are planning a Big Bang reaction video! I know you want to move away from that but those videos are so much fun to watch, especially since you’re both so knowledgeable and not just fanboys!
K-pop portrays this charming, shining image of South Korea which excites and lures many foreigners in to the country. However, looking at this ground reality has really made me think of how problematic SK is as a country. Sure, no country is perfect but now I know, as a former k-pop stan, that South Korea ain't perfect either.
honestly these netz will never learn.....this vicious cycle will keep repeating itself......+ the netz that keep dishing these hate/malicious comments should get a taste of their own medicine...
Finallllllyyyyyyy BIGBANG comebackkkkkkkkkk ........ 🌻🌻🌻🌻They will TOP every chart in the world not only Korea because they are BIGBANG whosoever might be the competitors ...simple as that.....Ancipating the cb most.....
Who ever commented negatively to those poor souls should know they have a hand in their deaths and should be ashamed on themselves.. Society should let people be...
Honestly the real identity is a good way to prevent hate comments next I think is flagging certain words and language and if your comment gets flagged you are fined or if a certain number of your comments are flagged you get get your account permanently deactivated or banned.
speaking from a lawyer's perspective, studies have shown that setting strict sentencing guidelines with harsh punishments are little to almost entirely ineffective when it comes to preventing crime. Instead, the same studies suggest that people tend to be more careful - i.e not recklessly write malicious comments on the internet - the higher the chance is of them actually getting caught. I don't know how the Korean law in particular deals with hate speech and malicious comments on the internet but many jurisdictions around the world still lack in that area, leading people to treat the web like a lawless and punishment-free zone. Therefore, a first step, in my opinion, would be to enact set of rules that clearly focus on that exact problem and give the government an opportunity to actually deal with such matters accordingly. A harsher punishment does no good at all when no one is going to be held accountable anyway. All in all it's a difficult matter and you'd probably have opposition arguing about loss of freedom of speech but it's definitely lawful to limit freedom of speech for the sake of 'greater' human rights, such as the right to dignity which is what this comes down to. Germany - also a jurisdiction with similar rulings to what Danny said in terms of defamation etc. - has quite recently enacted such a law and it has already had some positive effect
In the US at least hate is so common that I feel like we are desensitized to hate especially from social media. Whether it’s racist, sexist, colorist, homophobic, body shaming etc. I feel like most people have become very desensitized but it still negatively impacts people a lot. In the US we’ve seen higher rates of suicide among children even elementary school kids which is so crazy. But our country is set up in a way where currently hateful people can even hold our highest office so it just sucks all around honestly.
I am sooo excited for BB's comeback! They're presence is so missed in the K-music world! Them keeping their flower road promise, just hits so hard. I totally want them to get the credibility and positive spotlight they deserve.
How are these people not being held accountable? It blows my mind how they can get away with the comments they say to the point where it’s hurting the said person and they take their lives.
I don't know the laws in Korea. In (Western) Europe such bullies can be held accountable and it happens more and more frequently where I live. But a victim has to file a claim, or a family member respectively, in the case of a suicide, which doesn't always happen because the person in question is too intimidated, or embarrassed, or something else, like a lack of support in their environment. :( Also, if there is a suicide, it has to be proven that it's a result of the bullying, which may seem easy and evident at first, but legally, that can become quite tricky.
Please Danny, can you also jinx a full álbum and a Word tour for BIGBANG? I really wish the single to be just the start of this new chapter between BIGBANG, as four, and the VIPs. I'm sure the music will be fire, I'm so excited for the comeback! The world need BIGBANG!!!
I personally think both of you have a point here. Yes in general peoples mindset needs to be changeg, but at the same time we should make a example out of some people by punishing them. Also i am not a VIP i am a Army but even i am looking forward to seeing Bigbang making a come back.
Haters compete against other haters, one trying to outdo the other to the point they forget the object of their hate. Sometimes it is a game between themselves and has nothing to do with the victim.
I agree that there needs to be more consequences for online bullying. Society also needs to do a better job of teaching and practicing tolerance and take a look at how society reinforces homophobia, misogyny, and racism in each other.
Love watching your shows. The anonymity of the internet give a false sense of power to a hater's ability to cause difficulty for anyone that they see as different which tragically has caused stresses to the point of suicidal responses. My heart goes out the families along with my deepest condolences, this loss of our recently lost human beings due to these behaviors should be actively dealt with.
Anyone who gauges someone’s worthiness by height has absolutely no real grip on reality. People aren’t losers because they’re short. People are losers because they suck at life. 🤷♀️
Am i the only one who laughed when David suggested that Blackpink may comeback at the same time of Big bang? I mean, YG can barely manage one artist comeback every 2 months, to have Big bang and blackpink promoting in the same period it's like hoping for a 2NE1 reunion.
I think most of this hate comments happen because people hide behind anonymously and use the fact no one knows who they are to spit all the s**t they don't have the guts to say to other peoples faces. They don't have accountability for their actions. That's why I totally agree that people's identity should be verified for them to create profiles/leave comments, a lot of people would be to ashamed to say anything.
Knetz are some of the biggest bullies and harassers. If you don’t agree with their opinion you’re automatically in the wrong and deserve to be harassed for the rest of your life. My thoughts and prayers go out to the two who passed and their families
I agree with David - people should be held accountable for what they say virtually. While there are defamation laws but note that a lot of these cyber bullies are keyboard warriors hiding behind pseudonyms. It is extremely difficult to change the mentality of an individual unless they have the desire to change or are aware of their actions - clearly these people don't. So if these bullies can't be civil then why should they be treated civilly? I know that is a slippery slope of a comment but essentially, like David said, there just need to some for of affirmative action and sadly, people do react to fear thus punishment is needed. These cyber bullies are murdered and I bet some of them don't even lose sleep over the impact of their words -- because there are no consequences when you're anonymous.
Using this opportunity to say thank you for your videos! Since there is so much hate on the internet, I think it‘s important to remind people that there are tons of people who enjoy watching their content! ☺️ It‘s the least we can do as viewers and I‘ve been watching your videos for years now, so THANK YOU DKDKTV! ☺️🙏🏼
Lol BTS has been outselling and out charting BB for years now even when they were active, BP don’t chart well in SK, so David again in delusional world like his passing everyone can get a Grammy nom. All for opinions but back it up with some realistic takes.
I’m not Korean, I’m curious how hate comments affect Koreans or Westerners differently. It’s normal for public figures to get hate comments but seems to result in death in Korea more than in the West. Why is that?
I'm replying to you with some reservations, as I'm not Korean either, but, Korea has one of, and at some point, the highest su*c*de rates in the world. It is a culture of conformity and strict hierarchy. Of course it's much more complicated than this, but it may give you some insight.
And if I may add, not that I'm Korean or is fully knowledgeable on any of this, but, imo, Korean comments really do hit differently. They don't just stop at curse words and immature phrases. They can go beyond the person, their family and more.
How it effects people is probably due to cultural differences. In the US specifically we have elementary aged kids committing suicide. We also have lots of people dying from drugs or suffering from eating disorders etc from comments or bullying they get. But we are so used to hate because our country was built on hate and the harm it causes is just expressed differently
@@pennyinheaven That makes me think of the Tablo scandal. Just because some knetz didn't believe he graduated from Stanford (Stanford confirmed that he did), they relentlessly attacked him, tried to end his career, harassed his family to the extent that one got fired from a job, another was physically attacked, even harassed an unrelated person with the same name for "letting" Tablo steal their identity. He said he was genuinely frightened that someone would attack his newborn daughter in the hospital. All because of jealousy over a degree. He had to identify and sue his haters individually to get it to stop.
I am really sorry for these wonderful people that end up their lives caused by individuals that don’t know how to respect human life. I am astonished with the mentality of SK with certain issues which they are not issues to me but unfortunately what I cannot wrap around my brain is the fact that we are in the 21’St CENTURY and from documentaries that I see about SK is that it seems a country so advanced in the new technology, and much more and they cannot progress with issues related to humanity, the way people should be treated, they still have the mentality of people from the 19th century. I do feel so sorry for the young generation in SK because they are the ones suffering and not those idiots that don’t have a brain to use it properly for the good of humanity . I apologize if I am offending anyone, that is not my intention, but please wake up people in the entire world there is only one of each of us with our own individual personalities, we are each unique. RIP all the beautiful souls that have left this world because of individuals that don’t have any type of morals and brains.
Triggered Danny is the bomb! lol That aside, Holy shit bullying in SK is so brutal man. Why are people so hateful and mean. I also agree that bullies are just the worst kind of cowardly murders.
Supposing that these guys' explanation was right..then the youngest member of BIGBANG Seung-ri already finished his duty period in jail? But South Korea is the country of Confucianism, thus, lots of K-POP fans might criticize BIGBANG or Seung-ri's comeback. And they won't catch up with the current K-POP fans' mainstream like BTS's amazing popularity and fame from all over the world. Because except for Taeyang, the other three members have been suffered from some unexpected scandals, and Koreans are already known that.
Daebak 😎 Honestly, I'm a VIP. YG booth I know kpop love kpop From the king of kpop (bigbang) The first Korean song I heard was Bigbang's 'love song', April 13, 2011 until now, I'm waiting for bigbang I don't know why this group is different from the others In terms of songs , their style and vocals . Extraordinary I hope big bang comeback
I think a record of hate on online platforms should be made, like when you asist a murder that shows up on your record when the police looks in to your profile or when you're job hunting. And when it happens multiple times you get a sentence in jail
Kim Woojin also suffered backlash even after being proven INNOCENT. til this day netizens especially twt stans twist his words into smh else and mistranslates what he says. continuously pouring hate comments
Pretty difficult to be a public figure in Korea. So sad to hear of this. I really don't understand why people cannot follow the mantra "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all"
People care less about being sued as they do about going to prison and having a criminal record. Extreme or persistent hate comments and cyberbullying should be treated as harassment by the law.
Haters tend to be jealous of those they hate. I'm so sorry to hear about two young people who were harassed until they felt they had no other option than to take their own lives. The platforms should have put a stop to this a long time ago.
I really love you guys, I always learn something watching your channel. It breaks my heart to hear about the 2 suicides because of hate comments again, I am from a time before social media and computers existed, while I love having all this great technology and often wonder how we survived without it, I also despise it, too many people use the anonymity to hurt others, it’s become a more dangerous weapon than guns almost, I don’t see there being any laws that can put a stop to the bullying that goes on and the many suicides that happened in connection with it, mental illness needs to be looked at as something not as taboo, not looked upon as something one should be ashamed to admit to having, I think most people suffer from some type of mental illness, depression being the biggest, we should encourage people to seek help, that taking your life is not the answer. My heart breaks for the families of these 2 young people who just took their lives may they Rest In Peace
I started getting into kpop in 2019 and I would call myself a 3rd-4th gen stan? I have never actually been in 2nd gen era, so I'm really excited for bigbang comeback!!
I'm glad they sandwiched the really horrific news in between good news. It's still really sad but it's better to end on a high note. Hate comments need to be stopped. It's so sad that so many people tolerate it. I'm not saying you have to start arguing with haters. Literally all you have to do is report the negative comments. It won't fix the problem (obviously) but it's a running start to help. Also, what do you mean he's already cut off his ballz? Is this a common occurrence?
haven't been keeping up with DKDKTV and soon as i start rewatching, it's just such tragic news. all these ppl commit suicide and knetz just don't know how to shut their mouths? what has society come to that they're fine with acting in ways that lead to someone taking their own lives.
Thank you both for all your work, I really like your videos ! But why did you change the background music ? The only time i wasn't distracted by it was on the 2nd topic
I think it’ll be a Bang Bang Bang type of release, personally. I don’t think that level of anticipation will allow them to release something low key, it would be a let down.
Thank goodness a Blue House petition has been started to look into hate comments problem. Theres gotta be a way to have free speech and also not cross the line to where your words could harm someone. At the same time, I hope people will take care of their mental health and be more open to therapy
It has do with how society has developed due to the easy of access to the internet and social media. There is no human interaction. This is how the younger generations learns unlike the older generations. There is a disconnect. Plus having the anonymity on these social platforms emboldened them to do things that they would not do in public. If everyone is held accountable for everything they say or do on social media these people would stop. Not just being sued but also jail time and not insignificant amount of jail time. Especially if a death results from the bullying. Everyone should be held accountable for their actions, no matter who they are. Parents have really dropped the ball on teaching their kids about acceptable behavior in this day in age.
I think it should be a mix of both solutions. Harsher punishment to ensure people would less likely do it, and also having identification to identify the people. They might not be public but the main company should still keep the details. So if hate comments are posted, they can be identified and punish with the more severe punishment. maybe have some filtering system as well on websites
I don't know if i am right or not, but if this wasn't the social media era these haters would have evolved into psychokillers for sure, think about it lurking on someone's profile just to comment hate , it's not just someone messing around, it's literally like being a creep.
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could you maybe link to the blue house petition? as far as i know international people can sign blue house petitions as well
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So we need to set examples but did Danny just say fatphobia is acceptable because fat people can eat less to avoid hate? I think these tragic events just point to the void that is obviously mental health in your country. It’s bad everywhere, but nobody, and especially nobody’s uninvolved relative, should become deceased as a result of verbal comments. I am no stranger to abuse, harassment, stalking etc. and am aware that it breaks down a person. But it the culture of public shaming, and lack of dialogue and support, not the netizens, that should be the focus of any attempts at reparations. A person who is supported properly, who is an adult public figure, should be able to manage these feelings. You will never eliminate public opinion as a public figure.
Yes the king is back ( BIGBANG )
I love how the explanation to "are they going to be able to top korean charts?" is literally "They´re Bigbang"
Edit: it´s the comeback date and I just came back to say that they are doing just fine in the charts (#1 in Melon and #1 in Flo - they did it without breaking a sweat)
Edit 2: they are demolishing charts with roof hit after roof hit and they did with just some promo poloroids and flowers. Kings Indeed.
BIGBANG will always be BIGBANG
But is this a lie? Absolutely not
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@@sara.cbc92 Imagine being "criminals" and still top charts. I hope you don't give yourself a stroke when the time comes.
But you know what, I think they won't be as successful as before, mostly because I predict certain fandom/s to sabotage their comeback.
@@sara.cbc92 stay presseddddd🤣🤣🤣
It wasn't suicide. It was murder and the weapon used was cyber bullying. Every single comment out there needs to be treated as evidence and the people hiding behind these comments need to be held accountable. This is genuinely disgusting.
Um, how about don't read the comments and/or delete your social media account? Akwafina deleted her Twitter account because she was sick of dealing with the hate.
@@xuimod being on social media is a part of their job. And If not social media then it’s fan mail, comments on news reports, harassment of their family members and so on. Besides, celebrity or not, cyber bullying is a criminal offence. Deleting one’s social media doesn’t delete the problem itself.
@@xuimod That's some form of victim-blaming right here.
Why not never use the internet? You know, the most important tool we have right now?
Bullying someone out of social media isn't defensible! And it isn't a solution.
@@xuimod speaking like one of the privileged people who have never been cyberbullied before. How about we just stop with victim-blaming all together? Not to mention her mother committed suicide too.
Freedom of speech means people can say things YOU disagree with, without jailing people just because they offended your delicate sensibilities. It's tragic that these two athletes were supposedly so damaged by toxic comments, but you have absolutely no clue as to their own mental health and whether they may have done this with or without such comments. When social media is hurting you that badly, don't read it...or change accounts. But you can't fill prisons with innocent people simply because you're a snowflake.
Those bullying issues are really scary and sad... I agree that it should be legally repressed way more to set an example.
I don't know how it works in Korea but here in France we had a famous case of a (now) public figure whose bullies were sentenced. I reckon the punishments were not *that* high but it at least showed that you're not untouchable on the Internet, and even hidden behind a pseudonym your identity can be found.
The problem with legality is that most laws lag behind the internet and its ability to virally increase harassment online exponentially. That plus the relative ease with which you can hide your identity makes things difficult. While laws and legal efforts catch up to dealing with this kind of abuse, the better way to go about it is that the social media and community places that house these comments need to take ownership and de-platform or ban anyone engaging in targeted harassment of this nature, and keep doing it until people get the message. Higher standards and terms of service for using these online platforms will go a ways towards minimizing the access these commenters have to the celebrities in question - even if it turns out to be a consistent battle to do so. Additionally, representing companies and sponsors need to support targeted celebrities in forcefully condemning such comments in the first place, while at the same time providing the support needed to cope with them. It seems uncommon that people will actually come out and say these behaviors are wrong or that companies will seek action against those that target them consistently.
There will always be hate commenters and harassers but the reason we have this problem is that people go "it's the internet" or go "it won't remove them completely", so the standards have been lowered. A line needs to be drawn in the sand.
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The school my niece and nephews went to has come up with a very effective way to counter bullying. It's called the big brother/big sister program. The school is grade one through eight. Every grade five student is assigned a grade one student, and they become the big brother/big sister. They help that child learn their way around school, check on them at lunch, help them with homework, and spend time together at recess. They stay "buddies" until the younger is at grade five, when they become a buddy to a new grade one student. This program encourages empathy and caring for others and reduces the power of cliques (kids don't have as much free time to spend in cliques because they have to help their little brother/sister. My oldest nephew is getting married this summer, and his 'little brother' from grade school is in his wedding party. They have stayed close all these years even though they attended different high schools. If all schools did something like this - make helping others a part of the curriculum - society might produce fewer bullies.
My school in canada had the same thing too
My school did this, the cara (friend in irish) system. A 6th year student (17/18) was assigned a first year and only officially for the first year, we made sure it wasnt just one on one we made an effort to learn who their friends were and we made sure that our caras knew our friend groups so if we were not around they had someone else to go to.
@@DKDKTV I would like to learn more about that is there a way to contact you. We are currently working on cyberbullying and promoting upstanding in schools.
Our school tried something like this too we had a buddy system where an older student from the year above would be a new year's buddy throughout the year to make sure they settle in. It lasted a couple of years then vanished though.
My high school had the same system, but it just encouraged more bullying. Many older "buddies" treated the younger ones like their servants, or made them believe that being bullied is a right of passage. The culture in the environment is what matters most, and culture can be difficult to change.
I know it's a different culture but the apparent hostility towards any korean woman who so much as accidentally associates with feminism is so scary to me. Isn't there also a culture of dating violence in South Korea? It's almost like a quiet, hidden misogyny to me. The disrespect of women and "others" is so scary to me.
@@SoshiForever1_SM it's the misogyny in south korea that's toxic
@@josefine527 Both the misandry and misogyny in SK are toxic. Feminist movement there is not helping at all as it is more focused on things like women supremacy, man hate, body shaming men etc.. Also south koreans have their own culture and doesn't need westerners to educate them, liberate them or rescue them. Whites with a superhero complex really are tiring.
@@yunyunnoyb1519 Thank you for saying this because I feel like most foreigners dont understand this.
I don't think it's quiet or hidden at all, it's out in the open, and seems so deeply rooted and a social value
@@josefine527 Well yes but so is the feminism. It focuses more on hating men and extremism than actual feminism.
There should be activism against bullying in general, physical and virtual! People out on the streets protesting. Having news outlets like these and other social media showing how people are fed up with bullying. I think protests should be done outside important institutions about all types of bullying. The government is not enough and signing petitions are not enough.
Yes, Koreans seem very obsessed with cancelling celebs who's supposedly been bullies, but do they actually do anything and care about the bullying that's happening now?
@@kristin123a As an asian (I'm not Korean) and also knows how much more severe the age hierarchy is in Korea, that's easier said than done. If the age hierarchy is way more severe than the country I'm living in, I can only imagine how suppressed everyone in Korea is irl, regardless of age and financial status since there's always someone who's higher than you.
How can most ppl protest when many ppl participate in cancel culture? The cyberbullies always think that they are right and they hide their hated comments as criticism. Look at Wonyoung and Bahiyyih's case, ppl see nothing wrong with bashing them. They say that they're saying the truth and they say it's criticism. Everyone accuses knetz of severe bullying but aren't international fans guilty of this too
@@eleventwelve2650 so what? That not the point anyway
@@TT-ee1vv why should we be?
”Treat others how you want to be treated” so simple yet so difficult for some people apparently. Incredibly sad, such young lives ☹️
Big Bang’s comeback is the most anticipated comeback in kpop for 4 years since members went to mandatory service. After all struggles, scandals, social and press bullying they finally come back. I don’t care about charts, views or awards group may possibly get. BB always gives us great songs and outstanding live vocal performances, and that’s we have been missing in K-pop for several years.
Couldn't agree more #BIGBANG 💛👑
👐👐👐👐👐👐👐 Say it louder!!!
Like always dude, we never care bout charts n votings. We stay late nite just to LISTEN N ENJOY their music, not moving our fingers around so hard to make our kings win votings
For me, I wouldn’t go as far as saying there hasn’t been any great songs or great live performances over the last few years because there have been some groups killing the stages, but I guess it’s subjective. I will agree that this comeback is the most anticipated comeback in Kpop. Unfortunately, not all of it is positive. I have already seen posts about Big Bang being referred to as the “criminal group” having a comeback. That kind of made me angry. I hope that the overwhelming love for the group outshines the few that focus on the negative. I just hope this comeback comes with an actual album, not just one song.
@@kickrockspleze it's been years we got used by that title n we made it as a joke too. Some of us even introduced or told BB as criminals group if people asked "what is ur fav Kpop BG?"
N we said "ooh i love this criminals group that come from mafia agency, u know, BB from YG"
Even BB n YG accustomed by people pointing their fingers n said bad things n tried to cancel them. But never happened. People still accept n listen their music, openly or secretly
changmo: short ppl below 180cm are losers
the entirety of skz: *aye domino*
LMAO
Also BigBang members G-Dragon and Taeyang, they"re below 180cm, Jay of Ikon, D.O. and Suho of Exo. Even in Hollywood there are actors who are below 180cm like Harry Potter's actor Daniel Radcliffe.
Whole Belgium are losers too, those men there are tiny af
One by one they go down down down 😭🤧
They took “kids” too far bro 😭😭😭
I’m sorry you guys are still getting hate comments. I know you kind of played it off as a joke, but it always make me angry to see fans try to cancel people because they can’t see past their own self- righteousness. I have always appreciate and respect the effort and quality you put into your channel. You guys are doing a great job, especially you Danny.
BIG BANG coming back is the healing we all need in 2022
So very true. Nail on the head !! 👍👍👍 So looking fwd to their return.
same!
I agree. The punishment needs to be harsh. They have to be afraid to maliciously attack someone.
I hope the victims Rest In Peace and that their families find some consolation.
What a world we live in, I just don’t understand how people can say so many vile things about an innocent human being and still be able to sleep.
Karma is real and it will come for those people, I hope that those miserable people who cause death stay miserable till the day they die.
The way some ARMY go off the handle if anyone even wonders if one of the members might be gay or bi..... As if it is the worst thing a person could be.
@@nneichan9353 but aren't they the same people who thirst over BL fanfics?
Because some people just thrive off seeing someone else suffer and its sad that there are people out there like that
@@kiwiwooq Lmao you are talking as if Armys are a whole entity that all think the same way and act the same way. As if we all don't have our own different opinions and personalities. The way you people talk sometimes is something else...
RIP for those 2 precious souls. My heart is aching for them. I can't imagine the pain they have endured and gone through on their own. I just hope ppl learn from this, esp those who likes to spread hate, mean remarks and malicious comments.
it doesn’t matter what a person wears, what their preferences are, or even what their opinions are. you can disagree with a person and their choices and opinions while still being respectful. condolences to their family and friends.
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Well said
You said it well
Came to know about K-pop barely 2.5 years back. Since then I checked several groups music videos. Liked a lot of them. But when it comes to BigBang MVs it seemed to me a complete different era with so much fun & energy. Its not only merely good dancing, good vocal / rap or good visual, good melody, I felt a humane touch to it. I am quite excited now hearing their comeback.
Same, I remember watching mnet occasionally for the drama series they had on (I had no Interest or knowledge of Kpop) and one of the most memorable groups that stuck out to me were Big Bang, it was a whole different era back then, the music and performances were less censored ig, just more fun and less restricted. I wonder what they come up with now.
Same, didn't know them back then, eagerly waiting for their comeback, I'm so excited!
I cannot wait for you guys to experience BigBang, they play a hugeeeeeeee role on how big kpop is now + certain styles/ sounds
@@idothisforfun1300 I've been watching some other Gen 2 groups and others after and soooooo many things they took from Bigbang for their music and visuals for performances.
BIGANG can and will top everychart in the world coz they are BIGBANG. 🌻
Can't wait for BIGBANG's comeback!
I actually want to put on a "I´m a feminist" shirt and walk through Seoul now
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10 million views idea fr
Please do.
lol same. if the korean incels knew what feminists in the west say about men, they would shit their pants. if they already bullied that poor woman for barely nothing, imagine how they would react to what we say.
Bestie I will give you company 😂😂
T.O.P.'s contract wasn't terminated. It expired and he choose not to renew the contract to expand his personal activities 🌸
I think it’s more, he wants to release a SOLO project and the company doesn’t release albums that fast. Taeyang said the same thing about his last album (before enlistment), that they only allot a few albums/song releases a year. Which frustrates a lot of them including iKON, BP, Winner. I can see YG (the company) not having plans or faith in a TOP solo project. So he’ll release his album himself. Even Lee Hi, said they would only allow 4 comebacks a year. One for each quarter, which is insane. But that’s YG for you.
How can Korea have such high standards for making accusations of harassment from victims against alleged abusers, but allow blatant harassment online? So odd the disparity.
It's funny how Knetizen hates bully when in fact they are also a bully, a cyber bully. I hope all those keyboard warriors who left nasty and bad comments will feel bad about their self, they are so disgusting.
So sad to these two precious angel, hope they find their peace. Condolence to their family.
I knowww right!!
Those people don't care about anyone but themselves and their opinion. They will just target the next person. It all will come back to them, one day they themselves will be targeted.
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Yasssssss!!!!!! I got into Kpop back in 2012 because of Big Bang. So glad they are back. And I wish ppl would keep their comments to themselves especially unprovoked ones.
True VIP will just take no attention to them as always. Dont worry
We've been known as a lazy fandom. Bout charts, awards, votings, hate comments etc
me too! fantastic baby drew me into any and all kpop of the time. around 2015 i fell out bc i just didn’t have the time or motivation anymore bc of what was happening in my life. BIGBANG, SHINee and B1A4 were the only groups i tried keeping up with with their releases at least. But then Jonghyun.. and B1A4 disbanded and Seungri’s fucking rot.. 3/3 honestly :/
Omg same! I got into kpop around that time and i as like 11 by then. They are literally my childhood
@Minni This is what others don't understand. There will always be rude and toxic people in every fandom doing dumb shit. But most fandom always like to act like they are all innocent saints and only a few fandoms are toxic (Kpop stans mainly targeting Armys for that), when that is not true at all.
@Minni Ikr, this is what I always say. Army being a large fandom makes it seems as if majority is toxic when it is not true. Rude ones are just the loudest. Also other kpop stans can't just bash or talk bad on BTS and expect Armys not to retaliate, when they will do the same for their own idols. And the way each Armys clapback will be different. There will surely be ones that is toxic.
I think, all kpop stans just need to stop the blaming game, focus on their faves and respect other artists even if they don't stan them.
No fandom is innocent or a saint, so they should stop targeting one fandom as if the others never did anything.
I remember watching your Flower Road reaction! I was so sad about G-Dragon going into the military at the time.
Hate comments are a global issue and it's sad, humanity can't treat their own with common decency and respect for their life. Its disappointing.
All I need now is their music. Being on the top for music show is just a bonus...
I've waited so long for the flowers to bloom.
Finally BIGBANG is back!!! We waited for soooo long for this!
As a short person myself I agree with every point Danny said against Changmo. I AM TRIGGERED!!!! 🥲
As a short person lmao same😭😂
I am disgusted that online bullying led to the deaths of those two. The problem is that these bullies think that being gay or being a feminist is a problem. What century are they living in? There absolutely needs to be legal ramifications for these comments that express hate, threats or bullying.
Excited for Big Bang comeback and I'm hoping for a mix of both slow and fast songs. Also, I would love a special from Taeyang about how he feels about fatherhood!!
SF9's Inseong's enlistment date is 21 March, not 31 March BUT thank you so much for mentioning sf9 😭😭 I'm gonna miss him aa
Sorry about the error :(
@@DKDKTV Don't worry about it! :)
Ikr!! I was happy too when they mentioning sf9 :')
I was watching all of us are dead these days and one frase from the teacher rlly stuck to me, “We live in a system of assault” or something like that. Bullying and cyberbullying are huge things in South Korea and it seems that it won’t stop so soon.
How many people already died because of depression and malicious comments? And how many will die until they realize thats wrong to destroy a person’s mind with those types of comments?
Why can't people just be f$#@%&! nice! Keep your damn negative opinions to yourself! If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. People really have no idea how powerful their words can be.💔💔💔💔💔
Bro it's more serious than being nice. If someone is homophobic, incel or sexist they are a threat to society and should get professional help cuz they will kill people directly or indirectly.
@@Ghazalwluv Bro? Also, I never said that this wasn't a serious issue. It's obvious that people are already dying from this. Good luck with getting them to first, admit that they have an issue, and second, to counseling.
coz humans are nasty species
I cannot believe it's finally happening!! I'm so excited for their comeback, I cant
be careful with saying 'with being fat you can just eat less'.... cause plenty of "fat" people out there are heavy bc of medical issues, meds, emotional health... it's not always just abt "omg you eat too much" I realise that's most likely not how you meant it AT ALL. but it could trigger some people
I'm sorry to hear that you guys have received hate comments... please know that you are both awesome, and I really enjoy watching your videos! I love your dynamic and banter, and you keep me up to speed with the news :)
I really enjoyed her streams, as someone that doesn't understand a lot of korean but uses streams to learn, i never noticed how bad it had gotten. I hope knetizens change at some point. It's disgusting how some even seem to celebrate when their hate comments lead to death like this.
She always seemed like a bubbly happy girl on stream and that also made her streams entertaining, just makes you realise how little you know about the behind-the-scenes just from watching some1s stream. After all streamers are also normal ppl and have a limit to the amount of hate they can take.
I don't know how to fix it either, but there definitely has to be a change.
Who is her name again? Sorry I didn’t able to catch it when Danny say it.. is it Changmi?
I feel like I was born again. Time to wake up for VIPS.. We've been resting... waiting... watching... etc., it's time for us to finally have something to look forward to with real excitement.
When will these online bullies be held accountable for their harassment?! How many more people need to die? This makes me furious!
love bigbang's music, love GD's art creativity in all forms. and i hope the group won't focus on expectations and will comeback with something they like, love and want to share. i think they also can top anyone without much trying, just being themselves and producing best music masterpieces.
hate comments are the real disaster in Korea, this news are just hideous
some hate comments and fandom wars made me turned off and i didn't want to follow music of some bands, i hope i can concentrate on the appreciation of the art and not being crazy fan for whoever.... and that in the future the internet community will become more strict towards especially crazy fans and malicious comments(though i'm not seeing it's happening because of how much hype and money other parties are getting from it)
and i just hate stupid comments about appearance. like....really ... you determinate your successes by your looks?! (it's not even only about being tall or smth... really stupid remark to do from very silly person). Jay Park is not tall and he is a legend. BTS once were called ugly, bigbang are not the korean standard beauties and GD still was the muse for karl lagerfeld's chanel.
oh) and i love Lil Wayne's and Kendrick's music))) thanks for mentioning 🔥
so happy you guys are planning a Big Bang reaction video! I know you want to move away from that but those videos are so much fun to watch, especially since you’re both so knowledgeable and not just fanboys!
K-pop portrays this charming, shining image of South Korea which excites and lures many foreigners in to the country. However, looking at this ground reality has really made me think of how problematic SK is as a country. Sure, no country is perfect but now I know, as a former k-pop stan, that South Korea ain't perfect either.
honestly these netz will never learn.....this vicious cycle will keep repeating itself......+ the netz that keep dishing these hate/malicious comments should get a taste of their own medicine...
Finallllllyyyyyyy BIGBANG comebackkkkkkkkkk ........ 🌻🌻🌻🌻They will TOP every chart in the world not only Korea because they are BIGBANG whosoever might be the competitors ...simple as that.....Ancipating the cb most.....
Korea yes, all over the world... full korean lyrics never make it sadly.
Who ever commented negatively to those poor souls should know they have a hand in their deaths and should be ashamed on themselves..
Society should let people be...
Honestly the real identity is a good way to prevent hate comments next I think is flagging certain words and language and if your comment gets flagged you are fined or if a certain number of your comments are flagged you get get your account permanently deactivated or banned.
I agree
speaking from a lawyer's perspective, studies have shown that setting strict sentencing guidelines with harsh punishments are little to almost entirely ineffective when it comes to preventing crime. Instead, the same studies suggest that people tend to be more careful - i.e not recklessly write malicious comments on the internet - the higher the chance is of them actually getting caught. I don't know how the Korean law in particular deals with hate speech and malicious comments on the internet but many jurisdictions around the world still lack in that area, leading people to treat the web like a lawless and punishment-free zone. Therefore, a first step, in my opinion, would be to enact set of rules that clearly focus on that exact problem and give the government an opportunity to actually deal with such matters accordingly. A harsher punishment does no good at all when no one is going to be held accountable anyway.
All in all it's a difficult matter and you'd probably have opposition arguing about loss of freedom of speech but it's definitely lawful to limit freedom of speech for the sake of 'greater' human rights, such as the right to dignity which is what this comes down to. Germany - also a jurisdiction with similar rulings to what Danny said in terms of defamation etc. - has quite recently enacted such a law and it has already had some positive effect
In the US at least hate is so common that I feel like we are desensitized to hate especially from social media. Whether it’s racist, sexist, colorist, homophobic, body shaming etc. I feel like most people have become very desensitized but it still negatively impacts people a lot. In the US we’ve seen higher rates of suicide among children even elementary school kids which is so crazy. But our country is set up in a way where currently hateful people can even hold our highest office so it just sucks all around honestly.
Go OFF! Yup it’s the worst and I just can’t believe how much young kids are definitely getting affected by stuff online and ugh it’s so sad.😭😭
I am sooo excited for BB's comeback! They're presence is so missed in the K-music world! Them keeping their flower road promise, just hits so hard. I totally want them to get the credibility and positive spotlight they deserve.
How are these people not being held accountable? It blows my mind how they can get away with the comments they say to the point where it’s hurting the said person and they take their lives.
I don't know the laws in Korea. In (Western) Europe such bullies can be held accountable and it happens more and more frequently where I live. But a victim has to file a claim, or a family member respectively, in the case of a suicide, which doesn't always happen because the person in question is too intimidated, or embarrassed, or something else, like a lack of support in their environment. :( Also, if there is a suicide, it has to be proven that it's a result of the bullying, which may seem easy and evident at first, but legally, that can become quite tricky.
Please Danny, can you also jinx a full álbum and a Word tour for BIGBANG?
I really wish the single to be just the start of this new chapter between BIGBANG, as four, and the VIPs. I'm sure the music will be fire, I'm so excited for the comeback! The world need BIGBANG!!!
Thank you for the update, came back of Bigbang 😊❤❤❤
I personally think both of you have a point here. Yes in general peoples mindset needs to be changeg, but at the same time we should make a example out of some people by punishing them.
Also i am not a VIP i am a Army but even i am looking forward to seeing Bigbang making a come back.
Haters compete against other haters, one trying to outdo the other to the point they forget the object of their hate. Sometimes it is a game between themselves and has nothing to do with the victim.
I agree that there needs to be more consequences for online bullying. Society also needs to do a better job of teaching and practicing tolerance and take a look at how society reinforces homophobia, misogyny, and racism in each other.
Love watching your shows.
The anonymity of the internet give a false sense of power to a hater's ability to cause difficulty for anyone that they see as different which tragically has caused stresses to the point of suicidal responses.
My heart goes out the families along with my deepest condolences, this loss of our recently lost human beings due to these behaviors should be actively dealt with.
Anyone who gauges someone’s worthiness by height has absolutely no real grip on reality. People aren’t losers because they’re short. People are losers because they suck at life. 🤷♀️
I’m happy Big Bang is back and also as for the deaths how fucking hard is it to respect people and just leave people be
Am i the only one who laughed when David suggested that Blackpink may comeback at the same time of Big bang? I mean, YG can barely manage one artist comeback every 2 months, to have Big bang and blackpink promoting in the same period it's like hoping for a 2NE1 reunion.
As a long time VIP (since 2010) I am super exited for the comeback :D
I think most of this hate comments happen because people hide behind anonymously and use the fact no one knows who they are to spit all the s**t they don't have the guts to say to other peoples faces. They don't have accountability for their actions. That's why I totally agree that people's identity should be verified for them to create profiles/leave comments, a lot of people would be to ashamed to say anything.
Knetz are some of the biggest bullies and harassers. If you don’t agree with their opinion you’re automatically in the wrong and deserve to be harassed for the rest of your life. My thoughts and prayers go out to the two who passed and their families
I agree with David - people should be held accountable for what they say virtually. While there are defamation laws but note that a lot of these cyber bullies are keyboard warriors hiding behind pseudonyms.
It is extremely difficult to change the mentality of an individual unless they have the desire to change or are aware of their actions - clearly these people don't. So if these bullies can't be civil then why should they be treated civilly? I know that is a slippery slope of a comment but essentially, like David said, there just need to some for of affirmative action and sadly, people do react to fear thus punishment is needed.
These cyber bullies are murdered and I bet some of them don't even lose sleep over the impact of their words -- because there are no consequences when you're anonymous.
it's still so crazy to me how korea sees feminists, in my country we're proud but women are shamed for it there. this just hurts to watch, omg.
Using this opportunity to say thank you for your videos! Since there is so much hate on the internet, I think it‘s important to remind people that there are tons of people who enjoy watching their content! ☺️
It‘s the least we can do as viewers and I‘ve been watching your videos for years now, so THANK YOU DKDKTV! ☺️🙏🏼
Lol BTS has been outselling and out charting BB for years now even when they were active, BP don’t chart well in SK, so David again in delusional world like his passing everyone can get a Grammy nom. All for opinions but back it up with some realistic takes.
Comeback like fire..🔥🔥 Blown it Up! Be BIG BAD A$$! I AM SO GLAD THEY ARE BACK. BIGBANG HELL YEAH!!
It’s crazy how much hate people can hold inside them. So sorry that they had to leave the world in such a way. May their souls find peace 😞
Who would send you two hate comments.....You are so much fun!! Love to both of ya! Here's hoping they make a huge splash with some awesome music :)
I’m not Korean, I’m curious how hate comments affect Koreans or Westerners differently. It’s normal for public figures to get hate comments but seems to result in death in Korea more than in the West. Why is that?
I'm replying to you with some reservations, as I'm not Korean either, but, Korea has one of, and at some point, the highest su*c*de rates in the world. It is a culture of conformity and strict hierarchy. Of course it's much more complicated than this, but it may give you some insight.
And if I may add, not that I'm Korean or is fully knowledgeable on any of this, but, imo, Korean comments really do hit differently. They don't just stop at curse words and immature phrases. They can go beyond the person, their family and more.
How it effects people is probably due to cultural differences. In the US specifically we have elementary aged kids committing suicide. We also have lots of people dying from drugs or suffering from eating disorders etc from comments or bullying they get. But we are so used to hate because our country was built on hate and the harm it causes is just expressed differently
Cause there’s no escaping, Korea is very small country so the vendetta is more in your face and hard look away
@@pennyinheaven That makes me think of the Tablo scandal. Just because some knetz didn't believe he graduated from Stanford (Stanford confirmed that he did), they relentlessly attacked him, tried to end his career, harassed his family to the extent that one got fired from a job, another was physically attacked, even harassed an unrelated person with the same name for "letting" Tablo steal their identity. He said he was genuinely frightened that someone would attack his newborn daughter in the hospital. All because of jealousy over a degree. He had to identify and sue his haters individually to get it to stop.
THE COMEBACK THAT THE WHOLE KPOP IDOLS / FANS WAITIN FOR
I am really sorry for these wonderful people that end up their lives caused by individuals that don’t know how to respect human life. I am astonished with the mentality of SK with certain issues which they are not issues to me but unfortunately what I cannot wrap around my brain is the fact that we are in the 21’St CENTURY and from documentaries that I see about SK is that it seems a country so advanced in the new technology, and much more and they cannot progress with issues related to humanity, the way people should be treated, they still have the mentality of people from the 19th century. I do feel so sorry for the young generation in SK because they are the ones suffering and not those idiots that don’t have a brain to use it properly for the good of humanity . I apologize if I am offending anyone, that is not my intention, but please wake up people in the entire world there is only one of each of us with our own individual personalities, we are each unique. RIP all the beautiful souls that have left this world because of individuals that don’t have any type of morals and brains.
Triggered Danny is the bomb! lol
That aside, Holy shit bullying in SK is so brutal man. Why are people so hateful and mean. I also agree that bullies are just the worst kind of cowardly murders.
Supposing that these guys' explanation was right..then the youngest member of BIGBANG Seung-ri already finished his duty period in jail? But South Korea is the country of Confucianism, thus, lots of K-POP fans might criticize BIGBANG or Seung-ri's comeback. And they won't catch up with the current K-POP fans' mainstream like BTS's amazing popularity and fame from all over the world. Because except for Taeyang, the other three members have been suffered from some unexpected scandals, and Koreans are already known that.
Finally something was always missing no matter what new group came out so VIPs lets show them that we are still there on the flower road!
Daebak 😎
Honestly, I'm a VIP.
YG booth
I know kpop
love kpop
From the king of kpop (bigbang)
The first Korean song I heard was Bigbang's 'love song', April 13, 2011 until now, I'm waiting for bigbang
I don't know why this group is different from the others
In terms of songs , their style and vocals . Extraordinary
I hope big bang comeback
I think a record of hate on online platforms should be made, like when you asist a murder that shows up on your record when the police looks in to your profile or when you're job hunting. And when it happens multiple times you get a sentence in jail
I´m just happy that BIGBANG is back. My inner VIP is grateful:)
Kim Woojin also suffered backlash even after being proven INNOCENT. til this day netizens especially twt stans twist his words into smh else and mistranslates what he says. continuously pouring hate comments
Pretty difficult to be a public figure in Korea. So sad to hear of this. I really don't understand why people cannot follow the mantra "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all"
People care less about being sued as they do about going to prison and having a criminal record. Extreme or persistent hate comments and cyberbullying should be treated as harassment by the law.
Haters tend to be jealous of those they hate. I'm so sorry to hear about two young people who were harassed until they felt they had no other option than to take their own lives. The platforms should have put a stop to this a long time ago.
Thank You Bigbang for coming back for VIPs 💛🤴
May these two souls rest in peace. 💜
I really love you guys, I always learn something watching your channel.
It breaks my heart to hear about the 2 suicides because of hate comments again, I am from a time before social media and computers existed, while I love having all this great technology and often wonder how we survived without it, I also despise it, too many people use the anonymity to hurt others, it’s become a more dangerous weapon than guns almost, I don’t see there being any laws that can put a stop to the bullying that goes on and the many suicides that happened in connection with it, mental illness needs to be looked at as something not as taboo, not looked upon as something one should be ashamed to admit to having, I think most people suffer from some type of mental illness, depression being the biggest, we should encourage people to seek help, that taking your life is not the answer.
My heart breaks for the families of these 2 young people who just took their lives may they Rest In Peace
I became VIP years before I also became ARMY! I am excited to see BIGBANG comeback! it will be different without TOP and Seungri.
BIGBANG entering charts even without comeback all these years so i bet they’ll top the charts with their comeback
Finally, you made this video. I'm so excited for their comeback
I started getting into kpop in 2019 and I would call myself a 3rd-4th gen stan? I have never actually been in 2nd gen era, so I'm really excited for bigbang comeback!!
I'm glad they sandwiched the really horrific news in between good news. It's still really sad but it's better to end on a high note. Hate comments need to be stopped. It's so sad that so many people tolerate it. I'm not saying you have to start arguing with haters. Literally all you have to do is report the negative comments. It won't fix the problem (obviously) but it's a running start to help.
Also, what do you mean he's already cut off his ballz? Is this a common occurrence?
Danny, please don't cut your family jewels. You and David matter - remember dat!❤
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haven't been keeping up with DKDKTV and soon as i start rewatching, it's just such tragic news. all these ppl commit suicide and knetz just don't know how to shut their mouths? what has society come to that they're fine with acting in ways that lead to someone taking their own lives.
Thank you both for all your work, I really like your videos ! But why did you change the background music ? The only time i wasn't distracted by it was on the 2nd topic
I think it’ll be a Bang Bang Bang type of release, personally. I don’t think that level of anticipation will allow them to release something low key, it would be a let down.
Yeah agreed. And considering they were supposed to make their comeback in Coachella 2020? (right?) would expect something veryy upbeat
They were the pioneers of releasing double MVs/multiple MVs per comeback. I bet they're gonna release one upbeat and one mellow song.
BigBang comeback I'd the greatest news.. this nade my decade
Thank goodness a Blue House petition has been started to look into hate comments problem. Theres gotta be a way to have free speech and also not cross the line to where your words could harm someone. At the same time, I hope people will take care of their mental health and be more open to therapy
It has do with how society has developed due to the easy of access to the internet and social media. There is no human interaction. This is how the younger generations learns unlike the older generations. There is a disconnect. Plus having the anonymity on these social platforms emboldened them to do things that they would not do in public. If everyone is held accountable for everything they say or do on social media these people would stop. Not just being sued but also jail time and not insignificant amount of jail time. Especially if a death results from the bullying. Everyone should be held accountable for their actions, no matter who they are. Parents have really dropped the ball on teaching their kids about acceptable behavior in this day in age.
I think it should be a mix of both solutions. Harsher punishment to ensure people would less likely do it, and also having identification to identify the people. They might not be public but the main company should still keep the details. So if hate comments are posted, they can be identified and punish with the more severe punishment. maybe have some filtering system as well on websites
I don't know if i am right or not, but if this wasn't the social media era these haters would have evolved into psychokillers for sure, think about it lurking on someone's profile just to comment hate , it's not just someone messing around, it's literally like being a creep.
Do they comment on their profiles?? They always just say that there are comments on "online communities"