as chauvinisme goes since he has italian father and has spent his formative years in Italy (from 10 to 20) you could also say that he is an italian-french composer
What I just don't understand about Varèse is why he thought the generally conservative USA, out of all the other places, was a good alternative to France, which he though was not avantgarde enough.
The weird thing that when Edgard Vareses passed away at 1965, after that directly Frank started his career as musician and recorded his first album. It is like a legacy(legend later) continued legend works.
Varese really knew what he was saying when he described his music as "the movement of sound-masses" colliding at different speeds and angles, as delineated as different colored zones on a map, all in separate movements, occasionally crashing together. And damn is it interesting to listen to.
Really enjoyed this. Thanks for the time uploading it. Thanks everybody else here knowing the name Frank Zappa too. I heard this and the Rites of Spring (mentioned above) at a very cool Edinburgh Festival one year. I also managed to see Sun Ra at one event there also. Feel blessed? Why yes. Yes i do.
Man, the dynamics in this recording are incredible, and this only a RUclips capture. Can’t wait to locate a physical copy of this and listen to it on my stereo.
Edgar's compositions are as modern as they are full of message. A real cascade of new timbres and glissandos that bring an environment full of suspense and uncertainty as he sees this work in depth.
Varese is very exciting to discover. Unlike other modernists, once you hear his work 2 or 3 times, you are satisfied for life. Nothing more to be gained from further listening. The music of composers like Messiaen, Ligeti or Boulez one can listen to for decades, but not Varese.
@@acavalalcha yes! I'm learning scales on the keyboard. Now I'm taking what I've learned to a electric guitar 1 string at a time. I have learned B Major the best so far. thanks!
Why is the siren so much more tasteful in this version than in my Naxos version? Who knew a siren player could make that big of an impact? This is probably my first Varese piece I've truly enjoyed.
This music creates a creepy mood. There is something appealing about... and surprising... An incredible amount of impressions, especially when I'm listening at night...
Soothing being! Taste Varese implies a regression, acceptance of an abandonment of critical sense and a letting go to resonate with the expression of human passions. A moving and sensual music, it will always remain hermetic to the sicks of the heart !
Hi from México: Monstruo de la creación electrónica!...que sería del Rock sin su influencia...no existiría ni el, ni el Jazz! Abrazo esta maravilla de ser!!...Dios te bendiga Edgar....donde quiera que estés!!
I listen mostly to vinyl now. Still by far the most dynamic and realistic reproduction of the audio spectrum . The thrill of crescendos will scare you , as they should.
@@christopherfoley5973 As far as the sonic experience yes, vinyl is superior. But for practical purposes, not so much. I would have to add another room for my collection. Right now it's sitting in about 12 notebooks on a wall shelf. And I have yet to figure out how to play records in my car. haha
This is the first time I listen to a work by Varèse from the beginning to the end. Very cool! I find all the references you mentioned (mostly evident to me is the Rite of Spring) and also some Villa-Lobos (above all "Uirapuru", "Amazonas" and Choros no.8). Thanks!
This was originally orchestrated for a 140 (!) piece orchestra. Varese cut 15 woodwinds and 5 percussion. I don't believe the original orchestration has ever been recorded. Would love to hear it!
This is an actual recording of the original. I think more important is his cutting of the big brass ensemble behind the stage, which you can hear in this recording in all its glory.
A quarter of a million views on such a modern classical composition after eight years online? Holy crap; I will bet you anything that Zappa fans has a LOT to do with that. That’s absolutely phenomenal for modernist compositions like this one, later minimalist compositions, and Dadaist or experimental music in general. I’ve seen some of my favorite compositions of Steve Reich and other minimalist composers from the 1980s on barely scraping up 30K views after a decade or longer available on RUclips which I find simultaneously understandable and sad and not sad at the same time. For this reason I am somewhat worried that my own two most experimental compositions have crept up over 1 Kviews (“Jupiter”, after seven years) and 0.75 Kviews (“Halloween Theme” / “Something Pretty This Way Comes” morph), respectively, in first draft (uncompleted) forms. I am worried these pieces thus may be too popular. ;-) My comment is not about those viewing statistics at all but rather how we generally learn to appreciate art and how we are exposed to it. As an offshoot of the change in the music industry from 1960s to 1980s when things became ultra-commercial oriented rather than art-oriented, and now since the 2000s when we have entered the free sharing and social media era, for good and bad as well, I think we tend to under-appreciate how important it is to actively study and keep your mind open to new and old forms of music and art. I’m a big fan recent quad-Grammy winner Billie Eilish, also a talented co-composer with her brother Finnean but not in the realm of Zappa nor Varése; apples an oranges. Huge fan of hers, and about an hour ago I ran across an interview in which she said: “I love a challenge …. People are such haters of something that is different ’cuz we’re automatically, like, trained to think anything that’s a little bit not what we’re used to is… is ugly; is, like, unnatural, whatever.”[1] It’s hard to accurately transcribe her speech cadences, and admittedly I am quoting her out of context as she’s talking about her preferences in Jordan sneakers and not music. But I think her comment applies equally to music,art in general, but also about how humans develop preferences, both popular and personal, for what and who they like and dislike. Categorical thinking, if you’re familiar with the term from neuroscience and behavioral psychology. If you keep your mind open, Zappa, Varése, Stravinsky, Charles Ives, Steve Reich, Billie Eilish, Gwen Stefani - whatever - are things you can appreciate and enjoy for their outlandishness and subtleties; something I think has been somewhat left by the wayside in the age of soundbites and digital distribution of artistic expression. Returning to the theme of viewership, I’ll just posit the thought that the video of the nine minute interview of Billie Eilish and the first nine or twelve minutes of this Varése complement each other somewhat if played simultaneously. 18.7 megaviews of Eilish’s sneaker video which will probably top 20 Mviews by the year mark on March 4, 2020. [1] Billie Eilish Goes Sneaker Shopping with Complex, posted Mar 4, 2019: ruclips.net/video/EvdzQdnZPcw/видео.html&t=200
'Throughout his career, Charlie Parker publicly acknowledged his admiration for Varese, who was his Greenwich Village neighbor. “I had the pleasure of meeting Edgar Varese,” he once said on Boston radio, “The French composer. He was very nice to me. He’s willing to teach me. He wants to compose something for me.” Of these encounters, Varese remarked, “He stopped by my place a number of times. He was like a child, with the shrewdness of a child. He possessed a tremendous enthusiasm. He’d come in and exclaim, ‘take me in as you would a baby and teach me music. I only write one voice. I want to have structure. I want to write orchestral scores.’ I promised myself I would try to find some time to show him some of the things he wanted to know.” Unfortunately, while the two musicians met informally several times, Varese left for Paris to compose Deserts shortly after they met, and when he returned in the Spring of 1955, Parker was two months dead from lobar pneumonia and a bleeding ulcer.' from digitice.org/blog/post/varese-charlie-parker-and-the-new-york-improv-sessions
I see all of this stuff about frank zappa on here. He probably read about Varese in Henry Miller's "The Air Conditioned Nightmare." That's where I first came across the name. The music is nuts lol
As Pablo Picasso said " i do something, then someone else comes along and does it 'pretty' !" Same for Stravinski. We can do without pretty much everyone else.
“Contrary to general belief, an artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind…” Edgard Varese, French, composer
Technically an American composer of French birth. But whatever, great quote!
as chauvinisme goes since he has italian father and has spent his formative years in Italy (from 10 to 20) you could also say that he is an italian-french composer
What I just don't understand about Varèse is why he thought the generally conservative USA, out of all the other places, was a good alternative to France, which he though was not avantgarde enough.
Nonsense. He was both a French and US citizen (at the very least sequentially) and was French-Italian by ethnic origin.
"Im not smart, everyone else is dumb!"
Finally, a musical interpretation of what I heard when I had a fever of 103.5 when I was 7 years old.
Very interesting
103,5°C
D...did your blood boiled?
@@loplopthebird1860 that would be °F
Maybe you had the radio on and it was really 103.5 FM. Once I said it's only 10:45 PM? Friend said. "No" that's 104.5 FM.
Edgard Varese musical ideas can be heard in a million movie cues!!!
Yeah ?
@@YellowCase2024 West Side story total !!
This is how i feel when socializing
lol
Studying Frank Zappa's biography guided me to this track, I'm evolving so much by listening to this one track.
Zappa set me free musically to create.
The weird thing that when Edgard Vareses passed away at 1965, after that directly Frank started his career as musician and recorded his first album.
It is like a legacy(legend later) continued legend works.
I came here because of the same thing, six years later! Hope all is well!
Varese really knew what he was saying when he described his music as "the movement of sound-masses" colliding at different speeds and angles, as delineated as different colored zones on a map, all in separate movements, occasionally crashing together.
And damn is it interesting to listen to.
eruption257 I wish more people would have that reaction to Xenakis
They probably told him his music was blasphemy
Said it elsewhere...saying again...Varese is the darker, angrier Stravinsky. Great stuff. Pretty obvious Zappa loved those two composers.
I brought myself here.
nice
same
Really enjoyed this. Thanks for the time uploading it. Thanks everybody else here knowing the name Frank Zappa too. I heard this and the Rites of Spring (mentioned above) at a very cool Edinburgh Festival one year. I also managed to see Sun Ra at one event there also. Feel blessed? Why yes. Yes i do.
A reviewer said of Varese's music at the time "His music is either from the distant past, or the far future, and I can tell which it is."
Both
Oh man, the aggression. This is like the heavy metal of the classical music scene.
Man, the dynamics in this recording are incredible, and this only a RUclips capture. Can’t wait to locate a physical copy of this and listen to it on my stereo.
Your neighbor thought he'd play Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor to scare the children for Halloween, but you came up with a better idea...
I can see why Zappa admired him.
Totally
+Jaime Robles Mendoza he looks like the Dweezil.......
+tonewall jaxon that's so true it's scary..
If you are into this and Allan Holdsworth I salute you.
JUST FOUND OUT HE WAS A BIG INFLUENCE ON HIM...I NOW CAN HEAR IT.
Edgar's compositions are as modern as they are full of message. A real cascade of new timbres and glissandos that bring an environment full of suspense and uncertainty as he sees this work in depth.
Frank Zappa brought me here.
+Maxime Merlin ditto
+Maxime Merlin And the Legacy continues
+Maxime Merlin Frank brought me to Edgard! :)
+doctorfuse007 You can definitely hear this man's influence in the Zappa music, particularly the electronic phase.
Yep.
Varese's definition of music: "The corporealization of intelligence that exists within sound."
Varese is very exciting to discover. Unlike other modernists, once you hear his work 2 or 3 times, you are satisfied for life. Nothing more to be gained from further listening. The music of composers like Messiaen, Ligeti or Boulez one can listen to for decades, but not Varese.
Speak for yourself.
Fascinating! Not even five minutes in and I've got goosebumps.
I'm on disability retirement and have 24 hours a day to do whatever I want to. I'm going to start making sounds I like. Should be fun.
👏👏👏🍺
How's it going?
@@THEDONTTELLSHOW good! I've learned B Major. starting to work on creating sounds in Reason 10. I just like B major
Hey, any update on this?
@@acavalalcha yes! I'm learning scales on the keyboard. Now I'm taking what I've learned to a electric guitar 1 string at a time. I have learned B Major the best so far. thanks!
One of my favorites, too. Just ADORE his sirens!!!!
Masterwork from a truly Genius!!!
I like to listen to this very very LOUD!!!
I'm so grateful for this
Thank you for sharing 🙏
I admit my research on Revolution 9 sent me here. Well worth the effort as this is truly a work of genius.
I hear so much of this echoed in Zappa's music (of course)
Chicago had a track titled "a hit by Varese"
Very cool and I love this music because it's crazy how he can do that
So deeply inspired.
Why is the siren so much more tasteful in this version than in my Naxos version? Who knew a siren player could make that big of an impact? This is probably my first Varese piece I've truly enjoyed.
The siren bought me here
This music creates a creepy mood. There is something appealing about... and surprising... An incredible amount of impressions, especially when I'm listening at night...
Heard about him from Zappa, but I'm hearing a lot of Keith Emerson "Tarkus"
here too.
By listening this, I've already pictured Tom & Jerry in my mind.
ahahaaahah :)))
Thank you Frank!
Soothing being! Taste Varese implies a regression, acceptance of an abandonment of critical sense and a letting go to resonate with the expression of human passions. A moving and sensual music, it will always remain hermetic to the sicks of the heart !
ANOTHER MASTERPIECE
Hi from México: Monstruo de la creación electrónica!...que sería del Rock sin su influencia...no existiría ni el, ni el Jazz! Abrazo esta maravilla de ser!!...Dios te bendiga Edgar....donde quiera que estés!!
unbelievable haunting and beautiful
Last time I heard this was on vinyl.... that's how long ago it was. Thanks for posting.
I listen mostly to vinyl now. Still by far the most dynamic and realistic reproduction of the audio spectrum . The thrill of crescendos will scare you , as they should.
@@christopherfoley5973 As far as the sonic experience yes, vinyl is superior. But for practical purposes, not so much. I would have to add another room for my collection. Right now it's sitting in about 12 notebooks on a wall shelf. And I have yet to figure out how to play records in my car. haha
This is the first time I listen to a work by Varèse from the beginning to the end. Very cool! I find all the references you mentioned (mostly evident to me is the Rite of Spring) and also some Villa-Lobos (above all "Uirapuru", "Amazonas" and Choros no.8). Thanks!
wow this is amazing
he modern day composer refuses to die
And that's a great thing. :)
Curiosity brought me here. Interesting.
This was originally orchestrated for a 140 (!) piece orchestra. Varese cut 15 woodwinds and 5 percussion. I don't believe the original orchestration has ever been recorded. Would love to hear it!
This is an actual recording of the original. I think more important is his cutting of the big brass ensemble behind the stage, which you can hear in this recording in all its glory.
The word that comes immediately to mind is “cinematic.”
He damn-well did indeed. Been learnin' a lot about the Laurel Canyon scene too.
That final chord!!
Influenced the Beatles?
The reference to Schönberg Op. 16 No. 1 ending at minute 17:30 is very clear, and well yes Stravinsky on crack :-)
Beautiful !
Thanks
Thank you fz I get Varese now
he is genius !
Edgar Varèse brought me here.
A quarter of a million views on such a modern classical composition after eight years online? Holy crap; I will bet you anything that Zappa fans has a LOT to do with that. That’s absolutely phenomenal for modernist compositions like this one, later minimalist compositions, and Dadaist or experimental music in general. I’ve seen some of my favorite compositions of Steve Reich and other minimalist composers from the 1980s on barely scraping up 30K views after a decade or longer available on RUclips which I find simultaneously understandable and sad and not sad at the same time. For this reason I am somewhat worried that my own two most experimental compositions have crept up over 1 Kviews (“Jupiter”, after seven years) and 0.75 Kviews (“Halloween Theme” / “Something Pretty This Way Comes” morph), respectively, in first draft (uncompleted) forms. I am worried these pieces thus may be too popular. ;-)
My comment is not about those viewing statistics at all but rather how we generally learn to appreciate art and how we are exposed to it. As an offshoot of the change in the music industry from 1960s to 1980s when things became ultra-commercial oriented rather than art-oriented, and now since the 2000s when we have entered the free sharing and social media era, for good and bad as well, I think we tend to under-appreciate how important it is to actively study and keep your mind open to new and old forms of music and art.
I’m a big fan recent quad-Grammy winner Billie Eilish, also a talented co-composer with her brother Finnean but not in the realm of Zappa nor Varése; apples an oranges. Huge fan of hers, and about an hour ago I ran across an interview in which she said: “I love a challenge …. People are such haters of something that is different ’cuz we’re automatically, like, trained to think anything that’s a little bit not what we’re used to is… is ugly; is, like, unnatural, whatever.”[1] It’s hard to accurately transcribe her speech cadences, and admittedly I am quoting her out of context as she’s talking about her preferences in Jordan sneakers and not music. But I think her comment applies equally to music,art in general, but also about how humans develop preferences, both popular and personal, for what and who they like and dislike. Categorical thinking, if you’re familiar with the term from neuroscience and behavioral psychology. If you keep your mind open, Zappa, Varése, Stravinsky, Charles Ives, Steve Reich, Billie Eilish, Gwen Stefani - whatever - are things you can appreciate and enjoy for their outlandishness and subtleties; something I think has been somewhat left by the wayside in the age of soundbites and digital distribution of artistic expression.
Returning to the theme of viewership, I’ll just posit the thought that the video of the nine minute interview of Billie Eilish and the first nine or twelve minutes of this Varése complement each other somewhat if played simultaneously. 18.7 megaviews of Eilish’s sneaker video which will probably top 20 Mviews by the year mark on March 4, 2020.
[1] Billie Eilish Goes Sneaker Shopping with Complex, posted Mar 4, 2019:
ruclips.net/video/EvdzQdnZPcw/видео.html&t=200
One of Frank Zappa's earliest classical music influences.
Thanks, Frank......
Une de ces meilleurs pièces !
Love it!
I am going to a film about Varese at The Moma this Wed. The music sounds like the haunting music sprinkled around the original Planet of The Apes.
A masterpiece.
This is so good...
Incredible finale!
A squid eating dough
in a polyethylene bag,
is fast and bulbous, got me?
i like to think of this as the origin of the sad trombone 13:10
One of the greats.....
im a long time Zappa geek..he turned me on to this brilliance :-)
Love the amount of frank Zappa people. You can really see how much these people influenced his work
"Le côté de Guermantes" et ses commentaires sur la "Schola" m'ont amené ici
Wonderful!!!!!
I have no words
Contemporary Classical Music at its Finest
John Luther Adams also uses air-raid sirens in some of his compositions, and oh so well!
Charlie Parker brought me here...
There's an interview of bird talking about meeting Edgar and studying under him in Europe.
'Throughout his career, Charlie Parker publicly acknowledged his admiration for Varese, who was his Greenwich Village neighbor. “I had the pleasure of meeting Edgar Varese,” he once said on Boston radio, “The French composer. He was very nice to me. He’s willing to teach me. He wants to compose something for me.” Of these encounters, Varese remarked, “He stopped by my place a number of times. He was like a child, with the shrewdness of a child. He possessed a tremendous enthusiasm. He’d come in and exclaim, ‘take me in as you would a baby and teach me music. I only write one voice. I want to have structure. I want to write orchestral scores.’ I promised myself I would try to find some time to show him some of the things he wanted to know.” Unfortunately, while the two musicians met informally several times, Varese left for Paris to compose Deserts shortly after they met, and when he returned in the Spring of 1955, Parker was two months dead from lobar pneumonia and a bleeding ulcer.'
from digitice.org/blog/post/varese-charlie-parker-and-the-new-york-improv-sessions
@@rickvosper7318 Much thanks for this sharing of Parker-Varese encounter.
I have to relax a little now with a piano solo by Nigel Tomm " Roses Like a Nest from the Parallel Experience."
Perfect music for Insane Asylums!
I'm guessing the end of this had a big influence on the score of the movie Aliens.. heavy as
Reminds me of a Hitchcock movie!
I see all of this stuff about frank zappa on here. He probably read about Varese in Henry Miller's "The Air Conditioned Nightmare." That's where I first came across the name. The music is nuts lol
Nah Zappa said in his autobiography he stumbled upon his face on an album cover in a bargain bin and bought it because he liked his mad scientist face
the crack remark is concerning yet humorous
In a 1966 interview Frank Zappa said this was the best song, written and performed many years earlier.
Varèse is much more accessible, than Boulez (RIP), who is by far too edgy for me. And yes, Zappa brought me here, too... :D
Edgy?
Pierre Boulez brought me here.
The Agony of Modern Music. Henry Pleasant..
Definitely hear "Rite of Spring around 12:30 to 13:15 or so.
Thank you!
Stunning! But what is it? A tone poem impression of America?
"Rite of Spring" is already on crack !
This must be SUPER CRACK
Fernand Ouellete's biography on Varese is a must read.
yeah Frank brought me here too
Me too. All these years later and he's still teaching me.
A 52-year-old comic book villian named Scorpio brought me here.
Came here via Chicago.
so damn intense, but greatt
Varèse led me here.
Edmond Kemper brought me here. If you’re going to carry heads in a duffle bag, this is your soundtrack.
No conocía este "Onkalo" !
Wow! This is nasty, I adore it
Les versions de Robert Craft et de Pierre boulez sont des références en la matière !
this music makes me feel like something bad is gonna happen
+drewstix magee
if you were tripping on LSD multiply that feeling by about 10,000 and then hold on tight.
Did Zappa bring yas here?
music for wedding parties
Chortling out loud
That's a great image to behold
Rayuela brought me here, this is delirious!
As Pablo Picasso said " i do something,
then someone else comes along and does it 'pretty' !"
Same for Stravinski. We can do without pretty much everyone else.
Life brought me here