Total War: SHOGUN 2 1vs1: ODA Matchlock Ashigaru vs Portuguese Tercos
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Total War: SHOGUN 2 1vs1: ODA Matchlock Ashigaru vs Portuguese Tercos
Clan: Oda vs Otomo
Battle Difficulty: normal
*Both units: Fire by Rank used.
*ODA Matchlock Ashigaru have +1 melee attack, +1 melee defense, +1 charge bonus, +5 reload skill, +5 accuracy, and are cheaper to train and maintain, at 250/75 instead of 300/100.
Unique to the Otomo Clan, Portuguese Tercos are similar to Matchlock Samurai, but with much better accuracy and reloading skill that are akin to the hero-tier Tokitaka’s Tanegashima. They also have better melee stats and far better armor, allowing them to fight far better in melee than other matchlock units. While they have fewer men per regiment than melee samurai, they compensate for this in most situations due to their initial volley of gunfire thinning out enemy numbers. Despite their superiority, Portuguese Tercos are also far easier to recruit than Matchlock Samurai, requiring only a Nanban Quarter (which can be obtained with no technological requirements), and a powder maker, a relatively low-tier siege building. In contrast, Matchlock Samurai require the late-game gunsmith building. Portuguese Tercos are the best matchlock infantry by a considerable margin, easily defeating the likes of other matchlock samurai or Matchlock Warrior Monks. Their armor makes them highly resistant to enemy arrow fire: they can simply march up to within firing range of Bow Ashigaru while barely sustaining any casualties, though more accurate archers may still pose some threat. Because of the powerful effect of their volleys, and their capable melee skill, they generally prevail or at least trade equally to Katana Samurai; defeating them is best accomplished through the use of heavy cavalry, from the flanks if possible. Like all other matchlock infantry, they have some difficulty effectively firing in hilly or broken terrain. Despite being foreign in origin, the game categorizes Portuguese Tercos as being "samurai". This means that they benefit from all tiers of the smithing line of buildings.
Matchlock Ashigaru are mid-late game infantry. Unlike bow units, matchlock units fire in a straight line, meaning that they have to take land inclines and friendly fire into account more carefully. While they have more men per regiment than Matchlock Samurai or Matchlock Warrior Monks, their poorer accuracy and reloading skills mean that they have a lower kill rate than their counterparts. Nevertheless, they can be useful for fighting armored units, as matchlocks ignore armor values. In addition, matchlock units inflict a heavy morale penalty on their targets. They are particularly useful when defending walls during sieges, as the poor accuracy is mitigated by the advantage of firing from a high elevation. As ashigaru units, they have a numerous number of men per regiment and are relatively cheap, but have poor stats. Unlike other ashigaru units, however, matchlock ashigaru are only available in the mid-late game, as they require a late game art, Gunpowder Mastery, to be researched. Regardless of which clan is played, matchlock ashigaru are quickly eclipsed by Matchlock Samurai (or Portuguese Tercos for the Otomo Clan), which have barely higher requirements for recruitment and have far better statistics. Another disadvantage matchlock ashigaru have is their lack of the Rapid Volley ability, relegating their reload speeds to very low rates.
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I was absolutely not expecting them to own them like that. I guess that's the magic of gunpowder, even a noob with a bit of training can defeat a veteran with ease. I was expecting the Portuguese to reload faster, when I saw them getting the second volley sooner, I knew they were goners. The extra numbers in the Oda units makes a big difference, it means more hits in with a weapon that tends to kill if it hits.
Upon second review, in the initial salvo Oda gets 50 kills while the Portuguese get 60, but that makes the Portuguese lose more percentage of their unit, they reload slower because they have to reform ranks first. As said, in a 1v1 show off, having more men is better when you have guns.
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The portuguese reformed, so their reloading animation got canceled
That reforming while being shot was coined as the “Tosa Shuffle” back when Fall of the Samurai first came out by some popular TW youtuber. I love that term even to this day.
Yeah, unit size really matters in this game more than one might expect. And another thing these videos have been showing me is that "reloading skill" is not very... potent.
Not always, try using ikko matchlock ashigaru
That is the problem with the whole reforming after beeing shot. Because of that there is basicay no difference in reload time for 2 fighting gun units in this game. So who has more people in a unit wins xd
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What about in fots? From what I observed there are muskets, somewhat faster new muskets, back-loading rifles, amd level action carbines (and the spinny boys ofc, but they are not infantry weapons)
Kneel Fire make all the difference here, that mod of fire only helps Ashigaru troops and is detrimental for any other superior tier of gunpowder unit, if the Tercos were spread out with Kneel Fire off they would have destroy the Ashigaru
Yeah I always play with kneel fire mod on.
I know there is fire by ranks but it's bugged and doesn't work as intended
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I was honestly expecting for more shooting to happen. That one side would either die or break before all their ammo was consumed.
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I think you can fix it with gaurd mode, I always use guarde mode so even when enemies get in range and troops are still forming up they will fire or when some guys die in formation they will still fire, or when they get charged some troops will still fire while maintaining formation and only a few guys will fight in melee. Not sure about the second part but I think that's what guarde mode does,
Okay bro, I'll try guard mode.
I actually have noticed one thing. Fire by Rank benefits Matchlock Ashigarus the most and hurts other better units. The reason why is because it puts the gunners far too close to the target for accuracy to make a difference. And because of how slow the animation is, there won't be a significant difference in reload times.
However, using Fire by Rank is generally speaking a bad idea, it makes your matchlocks vulnerable to attack due to how slow the animation is. I wish someone had modded it to make ot fastet.
I think the slow animation of Fire by rank is for balance. If we speed up it too fast, it'll be game-breaking.
On the Workshop: "Realistic matchlock MK II(honnkaku_hinawa_MK_II)"
I did NOT expect that result.
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Europeans: Western swords are far superior to the katana.
*loses the sword fight embarrassingly*
Europeans: Well … they can’t beat us in a gun fight at least.
Oda Nobunaga: Nerf this!
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Well europeana think they are superior than everything
Europeans: Fear not, brothers! God is with us!
Nobunaga: I see no God up here... *Other than me.*
@@kazanshin4108 based Nobunaga.
Portugueses tercos using the voice pack of the US mariners was really sad for me. There is a mod that they fix it, with portugueses voices from empire total war.
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What a weird battle.
Units with worse relading and accuracy is faster and and more accuracy.
The same units with more men and better meele lose instantly.
(This is funny and ridiculous when few men chase more than 100 men army.
Even with shitty stats, more guns = more kills. That's how it was done irl.
Meanwhile here the tercos couldn't shoot a second time because the units AI (not the AI commander) decided to correct their ranks before finishing reloading/shooting. So they lost.
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@@Orendiz I remember back in the day when FotS came out and some popular TW youtuber (LegendofTotalWar I think) and he coined this phenomenon the “Tosa Shuffle”, which in FotS proves fatal to a unit if it happens to it.
You're right 👍
The tercos got done in by the Tosa Shuffle. Because of that, their better reload skill got nullified and the chad peasants numbers prevailed in the end.
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So, terrecos are quite similar to arqebeus Samurai, in the sense they're not meant to be complete front line units, there not as tough as normal samurai nor are they as good with blades, there best suited to a support role, whether that's using them like archers and putting them in the front to completely delete the front line of the enemy before retreating behind that ashigaru meat wall you have, or to hide them off to the side to pick off the open flank of the enemy, or that's my take on it, I used these guys once
Hmm, actually Tercos have better fring skill than Matchlock Samurai and almost identical melee skill as Katana Samurai. Do not hesitate to use them as front line units.
How come the tercos didn't even get a second volley? The ashigarus seemed to have reloaded faster than the tercos while their reload stats are much lower?
Because they wasted their time to reposition
I thought reload speed would help, but it seems it did nothing. So if it just a matter of numbers, how about ikko ikki matchlock Ashigaru vs Oda matchlock Ashigaru? And what about the same ikko ikki against tercos??? Bruuuh, can't wait to see them.
Okay bro, I'll test them soon.
You should def do Matchlock Hero Vs Portuguese Tercos next
Okay bro!
Demonstration of why you can near ignore recruiting higher tier units as ODA from early all the way to end game.
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Oda OP as always.
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This one is a headscratcher. How did they lose? The tercios have better stats all round. I can only assume the fewer numbers made their volleys weaker....
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How does it happen, that oda ashigaru reload faster having worse stats?
Tercos reformed the line due to losses while the ashigaru hadn't received enough losses and maintained formation.
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It’s a happening nicknamed the “Tosa Shuffle”. It’s when a gun unit stops reloading to reform ranks, thus massively delaying their reload. In Fall of the samurai, this is fatal for gun units but especially elite gun units. That’s why the common tactic in FotS is primarily to spam line infantry. They have the morale to not run away, and the numbers to tank volleys from elite gun units long enough that they force an elite unit into a Tosa Shuffle.
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Portuguese Tercos: You Dare Use My Own Spells Against Me. peasant?
ODA Matchlock Ashigaru: yeah in your face lol
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И я понял, что они сильнее нас, потому что они могли вынести это. Это были не монстры, это были люди... тренированные кадры. У них были семьи, у них были дети, их сердца были полны любви... но у них была сила - сила, чтобы сделать это.
...Нам нужны люди, обладающие высокой моралью, но в то же время способные мобилизовать свои первобытные инстинкты и убивать без чувства, без страсти, не пытаясь судить... не пытаясь судить. Потому что именно желание судить приводит нас к поражению.
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The fact that MrSmartDonkey is actually considered a good source of Total War info and he said Matchlock Ashigaru were worthless and you should get Tokitaka's Tanegashima instead 🤦🏻♂️
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If you fight a hill battle put your yari at the bottom but still enough to get the enemy army to get a uphill charge on you and on the top of the hill where they can sight the enemy, your matchlock on guard mode and ranked fire, they will rack so much kills you'll wonder why they're suddenly max level.
Rank fire bug got them. So the thing with Rank fire is reloading skill has minimal affect on it. Generally with Samurai, Tercios, and monks it is better to spread them thin and turn rank fire off.
Yes 👍. Except Matchlock Ashigaru
Totally unexpected Glory to Oda
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all because everyone was waiting on that one dude to finish reloading lmao
Yup 😈
Inconceivable.
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We really need a way to account for the stupidity of the AI. Like, come on. Never even activated Rapid Volley.
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Meanwhile in real life 24 spaniards defeat 1000 samurais xd
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You meant a bunch of bandits and pirates and ronin with little armor? Because they certainly are NOT Samurai.
I hoped my lads would stand against Oda's men. But alas, we were beaten. One thing I never understood in the game is japanese units speak and give orders in japanese. Portuguese units, for some God damit reason, speak in english!!! WHY!?! As they say in Portugal: MAS QUE PORRA DE MERDA É ESTA!?! Aside this nitpicking I still love this game mainly for the music
The Portuguese units speaking in english was a carryover from TW: Empire or TW: Napoleon (which borrowed heavily from Empire). Empire was notorious for how rushed its production was. The tercos melee animations are even carryovers from Empire/Napoleon.
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There are mods in the Workshop for voice lines
Это не случайно, мы всё живём в Америке!
Since they started ranked volley at the same time, The second ranked volley decides who the winner
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Oda chad, like always
But they...lose.
the Oda won, bro 😈
@@TotalWar1vs1 2:09 This look like Ashigarun run away.
@@liszarezo3658 Yeah, I don't know why they ran straight ahead 😂
@@TotalWar1vs1 they are retreating forwards
this is so unexpected!!!
Yeah, I thought that Tercos are the best matchlock infantry in the game but ODA Ashigaru say NOOO...😈
Playing with your food, I see!
The massive number of guns was just too much of an advantage for the Portuguese to overcome. The shuffling in the formation at 1:13 by the Portuguese was also fatal. A lot of precious time was wasted.
Okay. The best setup should be [Oda Ashigaru with Fire by Rank] vs [Maximum stretched out Tercos without Fire by rank]
This happens in single players, just do the long line, no fire by rank, loose formation and the tercios would probabily win, I need to test it.
That is unless the tercos fall victim to the Tosa Shuffle as seen here. That reformation of their line in the middle of reloading nullified any advantage in reloading skill they had, which then allowed the greater numbers of the ashigaru to win out.
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O(P)da ashigaru
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whole stats arent problem, the manpower is, 160 guns vs 80 guns you already know the result before it happens
Tercos have 120 men bro.
Are you play as japan?
Yup, I played as Oda Matchlock Ashigaru.
Fact that japan used to had more guns then most country in Europe
Serious?
lucky for other clans bcs Oda doesnt make long matchlock ashigaru
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what an oddity
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Ashigaru is probably one of the better line infantry types out there, large quantity and they all carry twohanded swords. Compare that to some european ones that had to use their muskets as clubs.
They won because they were ODA ashigaru, standard ashigaru will lose. The Tercos used sword in melee, not rifle butt.
NANI??????
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@@TotalWar1vs1 🥲
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when more guns wins....lol
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es tercios no tercos amigo
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en realidad es Terços, ya que son los tercios portugueses, pero en el teclado ingles no tienen la tecla "ç"
@@Quinto547 Okay.