Guys the kingdom of heaven is for the chosen ,so when you fail to get realization just know destruction is coming unto you , this is the era where people use their thoughts and feelings to speak about God check what Isiah 55;8-9 says we want to take our thoughts to be true , using our feelings but the word is very clear in this organization using scriptures to teach. Ask your self have you ever heard of a teaching like this!!! No wonder that in this second coming of our lord Jesus we are also having the pharisees and scribes who will reject Jesus Christ at the time of end. Ask your self didn't the pharisees pray as we do but why were they rejected and called snakes and all other names by our lord JESUS, Ephesians 4:18 they hardened their hearts and were full of ignorance. And at this point of time brothers and sisters if we don't be vigilant the enemy is going to make us believe in lies John 10:10, 1ptr 5:8) in the end if we don't be humble God is going to send to us a strong delusion to believe in lies 2thessolonians 2:11 so be care ful people. Jesus spoke alot of things in parables as the scriptures said in Psalms 78:2 he will utter his mouth in parables and it was fulfilled, now the time has come Jesus is speaking plainly as he promised in John 16:25 but we are rejecting the truth . All in all please be careful you. Jesus warns us that a few people will be saved so fight hard guys to pass through the narrow gate. In this video the sister is complaining about not allowing the friend not to go home to meet their ill relative! ask your self why did Jesus refuse his disciple to go for Burial of their father and he said let the dead burry their own dead .so you don't have to say that this organization is a cult because of that , God is a God of principle.going to meet a sick person doesn't mean they will get healed but praying for them is much better. Anyway He who has ears let them hear what the spirit is telling the church . Amen
How can you be in this so called new heaven but then they would manipulate if you leave or want to and say you are leaving the promised new heaven ? Or you’re choosing Satan ? 😅 doesn’t make at all. The fact that y’all use MANIPULATION ofwhich the bible says it’s WITCHCRAFT. Jesus never forced the Jews to follow Him or anyone but your cult does. The amount of calls I get Jesus it scary. Your members teach against how God is so loving and caring. I hope you experience the Holy Spirit one day. I’m praying for you real hard
So…all the other cult groups out there are persecuted because their teachings are too hard to understand even though they are true??? This is not even a valid argument or the slightest reason to claim scj is true 😂😂😂 Bring “real” evidence we can actually verify objectively.
@@ritakyere4068 I know they seem very knowledgeable and they answer questions with ease.. But Take a look at some of these verses and pray on it. Galatians 1:8-9 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.. They LITERALLY preach a new gospel. It's as simple as that. Acts 16:30-31 NKJV [30] And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” [31] So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” If ANYONE preaches anything different from this, it's a false Gospel. All you must do to be saved, is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Not the New John, not the new wine, none of that. That is by definition, a new Gospel.
From my third class I knew they were FAKE! but I continued to see the New John (Faithful and wise servant)... I made sure I didn't miss any class and I was playing perfectly along until they got so comfortable to show me the New lying John. I was really surprise how people make so much sacrifices to feast on a cooked up story of a cave man in Korea. Honestly, I enjoyed the company of my buddies and I'm missing them so much. I challenged my review teacher with tough questions he couldn't drimble around it, he referred me his leader who couldn't answer the questions but said I will learn them in the future as they are parables.... No, these are plain words of Jesus and disciples there is nothing parable around it. I left anyways and told them never to contact me. You don't need to be a bible guru to fish out their lies, it's just super glaring
I am with this group now. I understand everything you have said and have experienced some of what you describe. From my point of view though its just people trying to be leaders when they have no business being leaders. Because these people are not leaders they make mistakes and I always remember 1 Corinthians 1:26 yet the leaders forget this verse and that it applies to them too. They are not above this verse. I hang on here because I can ask questions, any question, at the bible center where they teach the bible and I get answers that are bible based. I also see the day advancing when all of God's prophecies will be completed while traditional churches are teaching people to be prosperous and to have faith, the end of Christianity is on the horizon. As the bible says, it will be like in the days of Lot and Noah, people will be eating, drinking and giving into marriage.
You should leave them bro. I know they seem very knowledgeable and they answer questions with ease.. But Take a look at some of these verses and pray on it. Galatians 1:8-9 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.. They LITERALLY preach a new gospel. It's as simple as that. Acts 16:30-31 NKJV [30] And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” [31] So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” If ANYONE preaches anything different from this, it's a false Gospel. All you must do to be saved, is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Not the New John, not the new wine, none of that. That is by definition, a new Gospel.
If you're saying just believe in Jesus and one is save then what does Mt 7:21 mean?? What is God's will?? So one just need to accept Jesus and that's all, don't think faith without deeds is gonna earn a person salvation and eternal life. You don't have to understand the word of life?? What is the truth?? The trinity, rapture, tribulation all false teachings! Be careful at what the worldly pastors are teaching, how do you know what they are saying is the truth. @@emmanuelmoses7249
I am in this group also. Just got Mt. Zion revealed. I'm still processing and reflecting, gonna finish this 10 month class (it's not bad, really interesting and useful teachings), pray A LOT and continue to have my quiet alone time with the Lord.
@@adeleebahe2546 You really should leave. I took the class too. It's a cult. Read my comment above. This "New John" guy is not Jesus Christ in the Spirit. That's nonsense and it's the definition of a New Gospel, which equals a Cult
@@adeleebahe2546 Glory to God!! I too have crossed over from death to life now. Congratulations! It’s not an easy path, long and narrow, but we’re here. Let’s stay worthy of our calling. Praying for you! 🙏🏽
Obviously, Jesus (God) had real power in his time on earth. I could easily claim to be the next savior, but what power do I have? Can I perform a miracle? I can not. Can I predict tomorrow, unless I scheme and weave a certain event? I can not. The difference between Jesus and whatever these people are doing, is that only one has true evidence of being the way to Heaven.
@@lgjc faith shouldn't be based on miracles in the first place.(since the devil can perform them aswell) But as stated in revelation, Jesus will send a messenger.. who is this messenger? Who are the 12 tribes? Where is mount zion? Who are the 144.000? The great multitude in white?
@@BabiiGurlC It shouldn’t be, but it is a way of seeing what is real and what is not. And, the messenger surely would not call himself the new savior or think that he is holy..
@@lgjc could you also direct me to where he said he was the new savior or holy? (I like to do my research instead of just going with what one person said)
Emotional abuse, separation, coercion, children asked to drop out of school, children lying to families, being controlled, not sleeping, divorces, eloping and the worse abuse is being separated from the Holy Trinity.
A similar thing happened to my mom when we were in the church she was sick she had heart failure and she couldn’t make it to some classes and sermons for doctors appointments or because she was sick. And they would be harsh on her a discipline her for that.
Thank you for sharing your experience! I just left them yesterday after studying with them for 4 months of the parables & the secrets of heaven figurative language to interpret Revelation correctly according to their “New John”. My husband who took the Bible study with me met with the group leader & doing some investigation on the guy, connected him to Shincheonji. I suspected it was some weird Korean occult after seeing some videos they shared that was produced by Korean production & using the video of the drowning Korean students when teaching one of their parable interpretation. I got the prompting from the Holy Spirit something was wrong, they use cult practices, very systemic in their approach, verbiage & treatment. The love bombing, fear tactic & condition was all there. They specifically go for vulnerable & “baby milk drinking” Christians. They deny the deity of Jesus & no mention of the Holy Spirit but many holy spirits ie angels. No mention salvation by grace but works of fleeing to my Zion & get sealed to their organization/church. I felt like I was losing my faith being deconstructed & putting on a different belief system. I kept praying for God to reveal the truth & through my husband we found it! Very manipulative teaching but their craft is well put together & very believable. Run away & stay far from them! Not the true gospel!
The love bombing part . They were triggering me all the time.😢 I had major anxiety when I was with one of the mentors. She’d buy me chocolate and Oreo’s to make me feel better 😢
From the Peter Tribes we’ve been told multiple times to evangelise bearing fruits to return back favour to God for his grace and love for us after 6000 years. Everyday is must that you prioritise evangelism
The WMSCOG does the same thing. They make it seem like that is you have to see about your family, it's about bad thing. The WMSCOG will say let the dead bury the dead. And anything that can be am idol. Even your family. Even in the WMS, I noticed that they even became unethical. When the l COVID hit, I noticed things changed big time. That was doing the last two years when I was in there.
You are a liar. The WMSCOG are not like this cult, they don't train people to be robots. They teach the truth of the Passover which no other church teaches. I dare you to tell me the Passover was meaningless.
I really feel for you sister, that perception and the heart is what is missing, ppl can be a problem at times, and Jesus is pure and only focus in SCJ, without Jesus there is no SCJ, I really wish you had reached out further before you left, anything is false if you cannot percieve it. May God help you. Can you explain Mt 11:27, about being chosen by Jesus? Ask for wisdom and God will give it abundantly without costs❤
Something is just off about them i was actually suppose to join them.. i just stop filling in the form. They dont acknowledge Jesus Christ as they should
@@user-nx4nt7rt8f I hope one day the holy spirit will open your eyes and help you.. They really teach false doctrine and don't acknowledge Jesus Christ as much, everything is about the promised pastor
I have never experienced any of this. Anytime there was a funeral or something bad happening to a prospect or newcomer, I have not had this happen at all, it has been completely opposite of what you said. Also, the teach from the Bible.
I just want to know according to you why Jewish leaders rejected Jesus who is the Messiah they have been waiting for centuries?? Why couldn't they understand their saviour was infront of them?😊 😊😊
So you're comparing what this man says to what other men wrote in the bible say. Well how do you even know that the bible is true? It's about choosing to believe one man over another. Does it actually make any less sense to believe this new modern man?
If the man who self-claims to be the only person with all the authority is a conman, and all members are told to completely obey him against their will through lies and deceptions, does that still not matter?? SCJ is not even a religion. It is a mind-controlling cult group, and there is one person who takes advantage of its members.
@@Ozmni11I understand it not selling on book stores but Many ex members already access to that book and many has already been aware of the changes in the doctrine of SCJ most especially the fulfilment reality
Even Jewish doubted Jesus, God's Kingdom is not easy to be understood.
Guys the kingdom of heaven is for the chosen ,so when you fail to get realization just know destruction is coming unto you , this is the era where people use their thoughts and feelings to speak about God check what Isiah 55;8-9 says we want to take our thoughts to be true , using our feelings but the word is very clear in this organization using scriptures to teach. Ask your self have you ever heard of a teaching like this!!! No wonder that in this second coming of our lord Jesus we are also having the pharisees and scribes who will reject Jesus Christ at the time of end. Ask your self didn't the pharisees pray as we do but why were they rejected and called snakes and all other names by our lord JESUS, Ephesians 4:18 they hardened their hearts and were full of ignorance. And at this point of time brothers and sisters if we don't be vigilant the enemy is going to make us believe in lies John 10:10, 1ptr 5:8) in the end if we don't be humble God is going to send to us a strong delusion to believe in lies 2thessolonians 2:11 so be care ful people. Jesus spoke alot of things in parables as the scriptures said in Psalms 78:2 he will utter his mouth in parables and it was fulfilled, now the time has come Jesus is speaking plainly as he promised in John 16:25 but we are rejecting the truth . All in all please be careful you. Jesus warns us that a few people will be saved so fight hard guys to pass through the narrow gate.
In this video the sister is complaining about not allowing the friend not to go home to meet their ill relative! ask your self why did Jesus refuse his disciple to go for Burial of their father and he said let the dead burry their own dead .so you don't have to say that this organization is a cult because of that , God is a God of principle.going to meet a sick person doesn't mean they will get healed but praying for them is much better. Anyway He who has ears let them hear what the spirit is telling the church . Amen
I agree with this, but Jesus and Lee Man He are fundamentally different
How can you be in this so called new heaven but then they would manipulate if you leave or want to and say you are leaving the promised new heaven ? Or you’re choosing Satan ?
😅 doesn’t make at all. The fact that y’all use MANIPULATION ofwhich the bible says it’s WITCHCRAFT. Jesus never forced the Jews to follow Him or anyone but your cult does. The amount of calls I get Jesus it scary. Your members teach against how God is so loving and caring. I hope you experience the Holy Spirit one day. I’m praying for you real hard
So…all the other cult groups out there are persecuted because their teachings are too hard to understand even though they are true??? This is not even a valid argument or the slightest reason to claim scj is true 😂😂😂 Bring “real” evidence we can actually verify objectively.
@@faithbresciani9425 they are supposed to be. They're not the same.
I am in this organization as we speak. Ive been in their class for 4 months and I knew something was off.
Leave them. They teach a false Gospel
What is off please?
@@ritakyere4068 I know they seem very knowledgeable and they answer questions with ease.. But Take a look at some of these verses and pray on it.
Galatians 1:8-9 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed..
They LITERALLY preach a new gospel. It's as simple as that.
Acts 16:30-31 NKJV
[30] And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” [31] So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
If ANYONE preaches anything different from this, it's a false Gospel. All you must do to be saved, is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Not the New John, not the new wine, none of that. That is by definition, a new Gospel.
I hope you have left . Please reach out if you have questions or need any clarity. I was there for 2 years. Very traumatic experience.
@@deborah8056please elaborate am about to join
From my third class I knew they were FAKE! but I continued to see the New John (Faithful and wise servant)... I made sure I didn't miss any class and I was playing perfectly along until they got so comfortable to show me the New lying John. I was really surprise how people make so much sacrifices to feast on a cooked up story of a cave man in Korea. Honestly, I enjoyed the company of my buddies and I'm missing them so much. I challenged my review teacher with tough questions he couldn't drimble around it, he referred me his leader who couldn't answer the questions but said I will learn them in the future as they are parables.... No, these are plain words of Jesus and disciples there is nothing parable around it. I left anyways and told them never to contact me. You don't need to be a bible guru to fish out their lies, it's just super glaring
I am with this group now.
I understand everything you have said and have experienced some of what you describe.
From my point of view though its just people trying to be leaders when they have no business being leaders. Because these people are not leaders they make mistakes and I always remember 1 Corinthians 1:26 yet the leaders forget this verse and that it applies to them too. They are not above this verse.
I hang on here because I can ask questions, any question, at the bible center where they teach the bible and I get answers that are bible based. I also see the day advancing when all of God's prophecies will be completed while traditional churches are teaching people to be prosperous and to have faith, the end of Christianity is on the horizon. As the bible says, it will be like in the days of Lot and Noah, people will be eating, drinking and giving into marriage.
You should leave them bro. I know they seem very knowledgeable and they answer questions with ease.. But Take a look at some of these verses and pray on it.
Galatians 1:8-9 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed..
They LITERALLY preach a new gospel. It's as simple as that.
Acts 16:30-31 NKJV
[30] And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” [31] So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
If ANYONE preaches anything different from this, it's a false Gospel. All you must do to be saved, is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Not the New John, not the new wine, none of that. That is by definition, a new Gospel.
If you're saying just believe in Jesus and one is save then what does Mt 7:21 mean?? What is God's will?? So one just need to accept Jesus and that's all, don't think faith without deeds is gonna earn a person salvation and eternal life. You don't have to understand the word of life?? What is the truth?? The trinity, rapture, tribulation all false teachings! Be careful at what the worldly pastors are teaching, how do you know what they are saying is the truth. @@emmanuelmoses7249
I am in this group also. Just got Mt. Zion revealed. I'm still processing and reflecting, gonna finish this 10 month class (it's not bad, really interesting and useful teachings), pray A LOT and continue to have my quiet alone time with the Lord.
@@adeleebahe2546 You really should leave. I took the class too. It's a cult. Read my comment above. This "New John" guy is not Jesus Christ in the Spirit. That's nonsense and it's the definition of a New Gospel, which equals a Cult
@@adeleebahe2546 Glory to God!! I too have crossed over from death to life now.
Congratulations! It’s not an easy path, long and narrow, but we’re here. Let’s stay worthy of our calling. Praying for you! 🙏🏽
I would like to know what is not considered a cult? What is the truth? Since Jesus and his disciples were considered a cult aswell back in the day..
Obviously, Jesus (God) had real power in his time on earth. I could easily claim to be the next savior, but what power do I have? Can I perform a miracle? I can not. Can I predict tomorrow, unless I scheme and weave a certain event? I can not. The difference between Jesus and whatever these people are doing, is that only one has true evidence of being the way to Heaven.
@@lgjc faith shouldn't be based on miracles in the first place.(since the devil can perform them aswell) But as stated in revelation, Jesus will send a messenger.. who is this messenger? Who are the 12 tribes? Where is mount zion? Who are the 144.000? The great multitude in white?
@@BabiiGurlC It shouldn’t be, but it is a way of seeing what is real and what is not. And, the messenger surely would not call himself the new savior or think that he is holy..
@@lgjc but if the devil can perform miracles aswell how will you distinguish between the two? To see which one is the real deal and which one isn't?
@@lgjc could you also direct me to where he said he was the new savior or holy? (I like to do my research instead of just going with what one person said)
Can the ex member,please be specific of kind of abuses that is in organization. Name and call them out please
ruclips.net/video/IxSJ8IHquEU/видео.html
Emotional abuse, separation, coercion, children asked to drop out of school, children lying to families, being controlled, not sleeping, divorces, eloping and the worse abuse is being separated from the Holy Trinity.
I'm in korea I been caught to scj too. Latter I realized the entire drama....
7:26 Can we now have access to those links concerning the doctrine shifts, please?
Bro I have a book written by Lee Man Hee
@@nopparatviriyapak809 good morning, what is the name of the book. Thanks
A similar thing happened to my mom when we were in the church she was sick she had heart failure and she couldn’t make it to some classes and sermons for doctors appointments or because she was sick. And they would be harsh on her a discipline her for that.
Thank you for sharing your experience! I just left them yesterday after studying with them for 4 months of the parables & the secrets of heaven figurative language to interpret Revelation correctly according to their “New John”. My husband who took the Bible study with me met with the group leader & doing some investigation on the guy, connected him to Shincheonji. I suspected it was some weird Korean occult after seeing some videos they shared that was produced by Korean production & using the video of the drowning Korean students when teaching one of their parable interpretation. I got the prompting from the Holy Spirit something was wrong, they use cult practices, very systemic in their approach, verbiage & treatment. The love bombing, fear tactic & condition was all there. They specifically go for vulnerable & “baby milk drinking” Christians. They deny the deity of Jesus & no mention of the Holy Spirit but many holy spirits ie angels. No mention salvation by grace but works of fleeing to my Zion & get sealed to their organization/church. I felt like I was losing my faith being deconstructed & putting on a different belief system. I kept praying for God to reveal the truth & through my husband we found it! Very manipulative teaching but their craft is well put together & very believable. Run away & stay far from them! Not the true gospel!
The love bombing part . They were triggering me all the time.😢 I had major anxiety when I was with one of the mentors. She’d buy me chocolate and Oreo’s to make me feel better 😢
Did you check with the Bible first before listening to your husband??
@@audreymeyer5616 fast and pray that God open your eyes..have a personal relationship with God for yourself
Based on my research they really push bearing fruit or 'evangelising'. Is there something behind this?
From the Peter Tribes we’ve been told multiple times to evangelise bearing fruits to return back favour to God for his grace and love for us after 6000 years. Everyday is must that you prioritise evangelism
brothers and sisters religeon is not what saves. believe in JESUS trust him and love him
Please where can I get the books. I have a friend who is in this group?
Thank you for sharing 🙏
The WMSCOG does the same thing. They make it seem like that is you have to see about your family, it's about bad thing. The WMSCOG will say let the dead bury the dead. And anything that can be am idol. Even your family. Even in the WMS, I noticed that they even became unethical. When the l COVID hit, I noticed things changed big time. That was doing the last two years when I was in there.
You are a liar. The WMSCOG are not like this cult, they don't train people to be robots. They teach the truth of the Passover which no other church teaches. I dare you to tell me the Passover was meaningless.
Agreed. Wmscog is very quick to make their 'church' more important than family. Especially if it's during the sabbath or feasts 😵💫
I left after 3 years
Would like to share my story from Australia branch
I would love to hear! Can you at least briefly tell me what made you realize that scj is bs?
Btw, congrats!
I really feel for you sister, that perception and the heart is what is missing, ppl can be a problem at times, and Jesus is pure and only focus in SCJ, without Jesus there is no SCJ, I really wish you had reached out further before you left, anything is false if you cannot percieve it. May God help you. Can you explain Mt 11:27, about being chosen by Jesus? Ask for wisdom and God will give it abundantly without costs❤
may God help you rather open your eyes. Maybe you should fast and pray about these people...there is no harm in asking God to open your eyes
Help me and tell me who Jesus was talking about in Matthew 23:39
Something is just off about them i was actually suppose to join them.. i just stop filling in the form. They dont acknowledge Jesus Christ as they should
I'm in, Jesus Is our absolute saviour. He is a son of God, and is the King of the Kings. You are a liar on your own benefit
@@user-nx4nt7rt8f I hope one day the holy spirit will open your eyes and help you.. They really teach false doctrine and don't acknowledge Jesus Christ as much, everything is about the promised pastor
I have never experienced any of this. Anytime there was a funeral or something bad happening to a prospect or newcomer, I have not had this happen at all, it has been completely opposite of what you said.
Also, the teach from the Bible.
Rodriguez Steven Gonzalez Kenneth Anderson Mark
Very quici speech for us non native soeakers
Clark Timothy Anderson Donna Lewis Frank
Hernandez Thomas Robinson John Young Betty
Do you regret leaving?
Hall Jeffrey Thompson Betty Lopez Mary
Perez Michael Brown Matthew Perez Linda
what does scj mean?
I just want to know according to you why Jewish leaders rejected Jesus who is the Messiah they have been waiting for centuries?? Why couldn't they understand their saviour was infront of them?😊 😊😊
Hey so are you comparing Jesus to Lee man hee ? Like you’re saying we are not recognising him just like the Jewish didn’t recognise Jesus ??
@@yordanosayelgn4877I think they’re just asking why Jews don’t believe in Jesus
So you're comparing what this man says to what other men wrote in the bible say. Well how do you even know that the bible is true? It's about choosing to believe one man over another. Does it actually make any less sense to believe this new modern man?
Yes, I've been thinking about this lately, and it makes me really confused 😕
@@adrianaestefaniamillan7846 It's only confusing when you try to fight the truth. It all makes a lot more sense when you get to the other side.
@@adrianaestefaniamillan7846don’t look to RUclips comments for answers. You should research how the Biblical canon came to be.
If the man who self-claims to be the only person with all the authority is a conman, and all members are told to completely obey him against their will through lies and deceptions, does that still not matter?? SCJ is not even a religion. It is a mind-controlling cult group, and there is one person who takes advantage of its members.
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One day you will realize the truth
Were the books added to the description?
No, the books are not in the description. The books are only available through the church not at a book store.
@@Ozmni11I understand it not selling on book stores but Many ex members already access to that book and many has already been aware of the changes in the doctrine of SCJ most especially the fulfilment reality
From Singapore
They are in Malaysia now
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