Magpul vs. Lancer - Side by Side Mag Torture Test
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Magpul vs. Lancer - Side by Side Mag Torture Test
I recently uploaded a video titled "Why I WON'T Be Buying Anymore Magpul Pmags" (link below). I received a lot of hate for that video. So I decided to find out which mag was tougher, the Lancer L5-AWM or the Magpul Pmag. I've made up my mind. What do you think? Thanks for watching. Be sure to like and share.
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This proved two things. 1: lancer makes reliable mags. 2: magpul has a cult following. Great video
Yes, magpul does have glock derangement syndrome
"reliable" and "durable" are different things in this case, look up "Will the US Army Adopt the Magpul PMag? US Army Explores Procurement of “Polymer Magazines” [NDIA 2017]"
various branches of the military have performed a battery of tests and found that the m3 pmag is the MOST reliable, even hilariously more reliable than the EMAGs that the army made specifically to be more reliable than the old usgi mags. lancer mags were among the worst in reliability.
many departments and branches are dropping lancers and moving to pmag
clearly these drop tests show that the lancers are more DURABLE however, or at least seemingly so. I also know the pmags eventually suffer feed lip fatigue (which is why they come with the plastic caps), i have a few AK pmags that did not come with the plastic caps and over 2-3 years of competition use and keeping them frequently loaded they are already starting to malfunction
so it does not seem like there is a clear answer as to which one is "better", personally i stock up on both. as with any investment, diversifying is a good idea
@@rodiculous9464 we want nicer things than the US Army.
@@vockski3173 wtf is that supposed to even mean?
@@rodiculous9464 army procurement is based on cost availability and good enough. In that order. The cheaper option will win. If both items cost the same then the the company with greater production will win.
As painful as it is, I appreciate what youre doing. You torture your gear so that the rest of us dont have to!
This man has sacrificed his AR for the greater good✊ mad respect
What did your poor rifle do to deserve this treatment? I'm going to call child protective services because this is abuse!
Henry R You meant gun protective services since guns are at human🙃
@BestJob IveEverHad I wouldn't throw my tools on the floor like an idiot, much less any of my rifles.
tom tran whoosh
@@EIGHTY7graphics, it is a fair point to say that one should expect their "tools" to be able to take a beating, and if they cannot, then they are unreliable and should be replaced, though I would agree that it is not entirely necessary to be torture testing the rifle to get his point across.
Still, I would rather have a Magpul than one of those Lancer mags if they drop rounds that reliably. And I would be willing to bet that the Magpul PMAG would still feed properly, though I would not want to rely upon it outside of a dire situation and then, just the once, after that it is in the trash and a new one in its place.
@@thors_bane
The PMAG was the one failing, are you confused?!
Which issue is more problematic?
Drop your rifle and mag falls apart dumping all rounds, baseplate, follower and spring?
Or drop a mag by itself and a couple rounds pop out?
You be the judge.
Lol he also did a aimpoint torture test and a ar-15 torture test
I was like "tell me he's not gonna drop...." fuck
It was like being kicked in the balls...
+CountryBoyPrepper yes.. yes it was!
You know you can drop a mag without dropping the gun attached to it, right? lol.
You could surely find other ways to simulate the weight of the rifle. Damn son!
Can't say he didn't want a real test
At least take the optics off!!
Being a Mechanical Engineer (4 year BEME) with extensive knowledge in molding, metal stamping and FEA I'll throw my experience in on this. Looking at the Lancer, being translucent, I can almost be sure they are using polycarbonate. There could be 5% glass fill in the material. I have a very strong feeling by looking at both, the magpul has up to 35% glass in theirs. The reason for this is the strength called creep / rupture. Over time polycarbonate will begin to deform while under a load. Magpul adds the glass to add strength to this property so they do not have to use metal for the feed lips. Polycarbonate alone would fail very quickly. I also upon cutting a section of plastic from the Magpul there is a blend. They may be adding polyamide to the mix also. Polyamide is the material electrical connectors are made from under the hood of your car. This is one tough material and if made of just 35%GF PA, it would bot break but you wouldn't be able to afford it either. Polyamide as a film is used to wrap electrical transformers and as cooking bags for you Thanksgiving turkey. This material can withstand temperatures up to 400F with no affect on it's properties.Plastics can withstand momentarily loads far exceeding it's normal operating stresses, meaning it will "bounce back" so to speak and have no lasting damage or result in failure. Glass will diminish this property in plastic but offers rigidity and extended load capacity over time. Aluminum also has issues with accumulated stress I don't have the time to get into.On the test you did, it was done in a non scientific manner. Dropping the mags by hand will never result in the same forces. The vectors change the resulting forces drastically. I believe you did prove the point that there are issues with the Magpul Gen2 but this is the reason they have revisions. Drop to destruction test do not prove everything as time and exposure also weighs in. To be accurate the test needs to be done in a fixture with a dead fall weight so every mag gets the exact same exposure to forces. I can give you formulas for impact for drop but you also have to factor in the stopping distance. Did each mag have the exact same play and spring force in the weapon? This will make an astronomical difference in the exerted forces. Heat from the inside of a vehicle can get up to 170F down here in South Florida. This alone can cause failure of poly w/o glass while under a load.Let me know if I can help out. It is interesting and helpful for someone to take the time to make this video.Thanks,Robertformer 1/75th Ranger Bn, 10th SFGA.
sorry for the typo...BSME...
Thanks for the insight. I think that this test plus the gen3 test has told me all I need to know for now. Lancers and gen3 pmags for serious use. Gen2 and aluminium D&H mags for casual use. The big takeaway for me was how much difference there is between a gen2 and a gen3. For me a pmag was just a pmag and I didn't pay much attention to what gen it was. I think there are a lot of people out there that don't know. Thank you for your service.
Won't deny your a smart cookie. However, how a mag functions or fails in a combat environment is the deciding factor. 100% of all combat takes place in the field, 0% in a controlled environment. No two drops will ever be the same in combat. The test seems sloppy in a way, but it is very real regardless.
I know that...I broke 2 M16's while in the 1/75th Rgr Bn. We dove to the ground head first slamming the butt stock to the ground and direct the roll direction so when we get up for the next advancement we do not rise on the same but alternating sides...you live longer. Rangers have the absolute best IMT in the world. We could tear up a carbide bowling ball in a padded room... The army did drop polymer mags a while back. Lockheed gave us a few of their newest rockets. We strapped them on our rucks and went to the field for 2 weeks. We met up with some reps from Lockheed and some Army admins after that. Everyone of them failed to fire. They tried blaming us, but we told them this is the way we operate. We don't baby gear. It has to function or we don't use it. We were still using 90mm Rocket launchers designed for WWII in the 80's. It's just a steel tube...can't F it up...
That's right, "uncontrolled testing environment" thru and thru, lol
I was initially skeptical of this video, so I decided to go out and test this for myself. Magpul has a lot of QC blunders from time to time so I was think your mag was one of them. So I took my rifle and my PMAGs, stripped the ranger plates off two of the 4. Brought 2 lancer mags. I decided that dropping them from my shoulder hight 5’4” wasn’t enough. So I stood on my truck bed and dropped them at 9 feet. The Regular gen 3 PMAG survived 2 drops and 19 drops, both the gen 3 with ranger plates survived all 20 drops and one lancer cracked up the spine rendering it broken at 4 drops. The other survived them all as well. The mag catch ledge on all magazines had some damage. The gen 3 regular magazine that survived 19 drops failed because the mag catch had gouged its way out and the magazine wouldn’t stay inserted. The other notable thing was one of the gen 3 with the ranger plates developed a crack completely from the spine to the mag catch. The lancer that survived had a slightly out of spec feed lip that wouldn’t like feeding rounds on the furthest side from the ejection port. I have handpress for steel mags from being a PMI in the Marines for a bit and that brought it back in spec enough to run flawlessly. If it was the apocalypse I’d pick the PMAGs because I could fix them with super glue or tape. They are admittedly brittle now. I emailed magpul and they are sending out 2 new magazines after wanting pictures. Lancer hasn’t responded but I’ll update when they do.
I gotta ask what is the Press called? Where can you get an aluminum/steel GI magazine feed lip press? saw some of the options on brownells
@@awsomedude9111 idk it’s just got a number on it, i tactfully acquired it.
44573
*****ede
^i think that’s the name, it’s smooshed. It’s a hand press. I think the USMC got them for armorers so if you find one of them they May remember. I took this one when we switched to PMAGs
Man I would love to see this test with more than a test sample of 1 for each brand.
WOW dude, torture the magazines, not your rifle, geez.......
My rifle is fine. =)
I bet mine is FINER....lmao
I think I would have taken the optic off at least.
Holy shit I cannot watch this madness.
BadCow lmao rite!! I thought he was just going to release the clip at a normal height the clip may fall from when holding your rifle, and I was like “oh that’s smart” but then he dropped the whole damn gun 😂😂😂😂
'Murica! We got so many guns this fella can afford to drop his whole rig for YOUR benefit!!! Gawd dayum!! Thanks, CountryBoyPrepper.
The lancer mag shot rounds out every time you dropped it outside the rifle. Yet no comments were made on that?
He said it was "normal"! Lol
12:29 "Don't talk." Lol.
Painful to watch but a great test, thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
This is why you buy all different brand mags and not just one type. Try them all.
I got a 10 pack of the Lancers from Brownells and a 10 pack for free from Palmetto when I ordered some cheap red-dot. I've grown a deep liking for the Lancer mags. They're clear and they are so light. They do give up a couple rounds on occasion when dropped but I see it as expelling roundsto spend the energy that would otherwise go into the body of the mag.
I just purchased my first Lancer mag today and the first thing I noticed was the reinforced steel. You can feel the different in the quality. I'm with you lol
Glad I decided to fill my safe with Lancer mags.
Russell glad I decided on gen 3 pmags... never once have I had a jam or break one or anything and I use them often
As long as the followers don't break...
Last year I found the non-translucent L5AWM black mags for a ridiculous $9.79. So I picked up a case and set all but a few dozen presently using aside for a rainy day. I’d agree that if I can find them at reasonable rate it what I’ll buy first if given option, even hour I know I’ll never see the, at those prices again n I’m ok it’s that.
@Trevor Burgart waiting for that video...
Thanks for the vid. Don't know that I could drop one of my rifles to test like this. But, I have one question. After the PMAG broke on the first test, and was obviously damaged, would it not be a good idea to grab another PMAG to test. That way any idea of a "bad" PMAG would be eliminated. If the second had the same issues, the point is proven beyond any doubt. Kinda sux as I have some PMAGS put aside for that day in the future. Does seem that I either need to be sure and not drop my rifle or consider Lancers or other backups. Seems that GI issue mags should be somewhat safe in this test. Again, thanks for risking damage to your gear to show this!
Hey, I have a bunch of p mags too but have quit buying them and switched to Lancer. They are way more robust.
That is my question as well. I have several different kinds of magazines but looking at this from a statistical standpoint a 1 magazine pool does not make for good analysis. You would need to take multiple magazines from each brand.
My heart hurt when you dropped that rifle....and then you did it again!!! 😬😭
Pilotx86 .........and again, and again, and again, and again.
I have a hard time dropping a mag on a reload.
Like many others, I almost died when you dropped your rifle...
With that said, I appreciate you putting more weight into the drop than a loaded mag. I have a stack of Pmags for my 5.56/223 wylde guns, but exclusively run L5AWMs for my .300 guns... I'll duplicate this on my own (maybe I'll buy an airsoft gun of similar weight or something, since some will surprisingly seat magazines).
I'm not ready to give up on Pmags entirely, but I'm thoroughly impressed by the Lancers that I already own. My biggest beef is a trivial one, that is blind reloads potentially chewing up my magwell... Which, in the grand scheme of things, is about concern #501 when it comes to magazines.
Only recently have I gone over to the lancer mags, Got 12 of them at a recent gun show.
I have now side lined ALL my magpul and GI mags.
These things are great.
Left one in my freezer, ran over it 3 times, left it in salt water for 48 hours, left it a brass polisher over night, multiple loaded drop tests, gave it my dog to chew on!
Fired-reloaded and fired again 4 times.
That’s 120 rounds out the same tortured mag and ZERO malfunctions!
One primer did not fire but that is an ammo failure.
Mag worked perfectly even after a full 30 days of this or that ass kickings.
I read that PMag, had an issue with one of the FDE/sand color mags. The physical pigmentation made the magazine weaker. The black PMags supposedly don't have this problem.
Ha yeah right it's cause of the color makes it weaker.i call bullshit.shame on magpul
take your optic off if your going to do this
It's an Aimpoint CompM4. It was the least of my worries....and yes it held zero.
Take you are optic off? Garret was right, you're wrong grammar nazi.
br54991000 a little late but he was referring to the second “your” in that sentence. He should have specified for some. “Take your optic off if you’re (you are) going to do this.”, is the correct usage. However, this is the internet so fuck it. 😂 I myself am no perfectionist when it comes to grammar, unless it’s for a grade.
Own an optic that can withstand this kind of abuse in the first place. Anything that can't is cheap garbage.
los Angeleno yer*
Having been a soldier for 23 years my solution would be just to pull out another mag and continue on. Interesting test though. Used Magpul in the sandbox never had any problems but I'd be willing to try the Lancers for grins
All my buddies who have been in combat use Lancer mags in their civilian kit and bugout bag.
Good thing you're wearing steel toe shower shoes. You could have aggravated the toe nail fungus.
10:10 "Damaging muh bullets.."
As opposed to everything else?
😂😂
Scuffing up a gun ain't going to hurt it. But denting a casing or loosening a projectile from the neck can cause a really bad time
It costs more for bullets than guns now.
thank you for your time and effort.very insightful and helpful.
i love P-mags,both 2nd gen and 3rd gen models for their smooth loading, feeding and good looks. and their ruggedness and reliability,i thought. while ive never had a problem with mine i rarely if ever abuse my equipment to that extent.its good to know what they can and cant take however.
i also use the Lancers and really like the steel feed lips.i feel they offer important advantages over the P-mags and others in this area.
while they do not feed quite as smoothly as P-mags (no steel/aluminum mags do) mine have never caused problems in use.i have noticed they will lose control of the top round on the rearward stroke if you slow stroke the charging handle.they always feed reliably anyway but it is something to be aware of.you shouldnt baby the CH anyway.rack that sucker like you mean it!
i also use Troy magazines and find they feed very smoothly as well. i hate their floor plate design with its 3 locking tabs instead of everyone elses interlocking rail design.they seem good though.
another mag im testing is the ProMag RMR roller mag.ive owned it a while now and from what i can tell its an excellent mag in all respects.very smooth loading and feeding,it has a very aggresive texture that looks good and works well.it seems to be a very good option. it is about 3/8" longer than other mags however.
and finally i use Magpul yellow followers in standard G.I. aluminum mags which work very well.not quite as smooth feeding as polymer mags but good durable and reliable running nonetheless.
and can take extreme temperatures and other abuse without a whimper.any of these mags will serve most folks very well. but looks like the Lancers are the top dawgs for extreme use.thanks again
Oh my goodness, that was painful to watch. Who drops their entire weapon on the magazine? This seemed atypical in any form of use. 20 years military and I never dropped my weapon like that. I do like the results of the mag drop only as this simulates dropping the magazine to reload quickly.
To be fair, I liked the test because it's reminiscent of "what if you have to drive for cover on an uneven surface, and the mag hits the ground." My time in the military, I never dropped my weapon like that either, but I certainly have 1) taken spills and 2) unceremoniously got the fuck down lol. So I see this as potentially viable, and it could devastating to have your mag spray your rounds everywhere.
I guess it may be possible to break a Gen 2 by diving for cover, but what are the odds? I will admit that even the possibility was probably why the Gen 3 mags reversed the base orientation. I run my 40rd P-Mags rather hard, and never had a problem. Still, with all the new mags coming out, I just can't stomach the high prices.
I agree on some points but one. No one ejects a full mag and let it spill to the ground. AND IF BY SOME CHANCE, they are in a combat scenario, you shouldn't be standing up while reloading. You should be behind cover and low visibility. That's my two cents, but overall I enjoyed the vid.
I’m glad you were willing to sacrifice your equipment for the good of others. Thank you! 👍🏼
There are plenty of torture tests on magazines, but this one completes the circle. If anyone drops their rifle with the mag, they now have an idea of the possibilities. Thank you for your sacrifice!!! I know it must have been painful to drop your weapon, so we all can observe the results (this was extreme indeed..thank you again.)
I disapprove of rifle abuse because others didn't agree with your previous vids lol
Right!? People don't like what he said so he beats the dogshit out of his rifle!? Oh the humanity!! Won't someone think of the children!?
well since i dont drop my rifle or mags from shoulder hight in the driveway pmags are just fine and since i believe the windows are a gimmick my pmags are only $10 so ill stick with them
we'll see what happens to your rifle when you're getting shot at.
+OGwhiteboy818 only a tactiturd would say that there is a 99.99999999999% chance none of us will never get shot at
+OGwhiteboy818 face it your a wanna be Navy seal youve probably never even been in a paintball war like i said theres like a 99.99% chance you'll get shot at and if you do im 100% sure you wont have a rifle
+OGwhiteboy818 face it your a wanna be Navy seal youve probably never even been in a paintball war like i said theres like a 99.99% chance you'll get shot at and if you do im 100% sure you wont have a rifle
Also that is what a sling is for. It you drop it it does not hit the ground.
You're a braver man than me dropping your rifle like that. I have to wonder, at what were you shooting? And where did the bullets go? I have never liked any PMag or MagPul stuff. Great test dude! GREAT MUSIC at the end. Thanks for making this AMAZING video.
So you put an already damaged magazine back together and kept using it in the test? Why?
It still held up to 25 drops too. The lancer mag shot rounds out the top every time it was dropped but no comments made on that
The best part of the video is that FDE little tikes car, Sweet!
Bought my first lancer magazine yesterday, now im really glad i did! 😂
"Thank you". I appreciate the undoubtedly gut wrenching test here.
Like a kick to the balls....
After watching the whole test, I agree with your assessment. Personally, I do not think the test was necessary. In the earlier videos, you were merely expressing your opinion. I glad it was justified, but sorry that you had to prove you opinion to the detractors. The only thing that I would have added, is how you oriented the mags to drop them (just say fairly loudly) whether you were dropping them on the 'lips', 'floor plate', 'flat', or 'side' etc. especially for those of use who are watching on a fon, not a large pc monitor.
EXCELLENT TEST!!
CONGRATS!
I hope the detractors are satisfied & go harass a different site!! you had to have said 'in my opinion at least half a dozen times in the earlier videos & said that you would continue to use the other mags. Some people are just looking for something to complain about!!!
Oh they are not satisfied at all. They are saying it's all invalid because the pmag was a gen2 and not a gen3 lol.
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I learned that if you drop a lancer, you may lose a round or 2. Magpul, if there is any weight behind the drop, just abandon it and get a new mag
I think this was a pretty good test. Thanks for doing it so that we don't have to. I bought all Lancer mags without checking any reviews and glad I did. You can tell just by looking at an LWM that it's going to hold up. Those steel feed lips are what sold me. There are tons of sales going on for 10 packs of the LWMs now, so get 'em while you can.
I want to see both after they've been exposed to as much UV as that Little Tikes car
This is the best AR Magazine (drop/torture) test I ever saw! Amazing results, thank you for your contribution... just a suggestion next time you can try wrapping and taping the rifle with something (maybe bubble wrap) to protect the rifle from serious damages, Thanks.
it hurts to see that nice rifle being dropped but at least its not a safe queen. I tried the same thing with gen 2 pmags and had different results. could have been a bad mag. I am not a pmag diva but am happy to see that you found a good alternative other than standard gi mags. hex mags are nice along with the troy battle mags but they are a lil flimsy for my liking. I will have to grab a few lancer mags to base a true opinion on them. keep up the good vids man, just subscribed
Thanks! Be sure to check out this follow up video. ruclips.net/video/_V715oYfw7w/видео.html
I like Lancers, but you can tell completely biased. Either one would suit me fine. Kinda comical
You guys are awesome for making this video. I have only a few rifles but I really should do a drop test like you've done. I drop test my pistols, I really should drop test my rifles.
Your pmag lasted way longer than my tester did. I go straight to the feed lip drop, because that's what separates the weak from the strong and because I try to avoid dropping my ARs. The Pmag feed lip started to crack at 7 drops, and it puked out all of its rounds on the 7th. My Lancer tester has survived 30 drops on concrete, right on the feed lips, and all kinds of abuse like hitting it with a hammer, hurling it into a propane tank, stomping on it, etc. The only issue it has developed is that it doesn't drop free too smoothly, kind of like yours, but it still runs like a champ.
Mine has lasted 36 drops on the feed lips and it doesn't drop free anymore but still functions fine. Did you see my second test with a gen3?
Yea, I finally got to that video after commenting a bunch on the first two
people complaining about dropping the rifle obviously don't run their guns hard.
That was painful to watch at times but thank you for doing this and showing the results.
Been running the lancers since they came out with the L5AWM, have replaced my magpuls with 'em.
thanks for the vid but I don't think this would put me off p-mags. that's a very unusual situation. I prefer 20 round GI mags, wonder how they would do in these tests.
Unusual to drop your gun with a mag inside instead of just the mag? Seems more usual to me
You are correct sir, it does seem to be normal for the Lancer mag to cough up rounds routinely when dropped. Wish it didn't, but it does
Hey, hey, hey.. thats just an extra pmag feature to visually see how many rounds are left in the mag.. at the expense of the mag.. Now all thats needed is for Lancer to make cell phone cases.
Holy shit fuck. FINALLY!!!! Somebody doing a drop test correctly. MrGunsNGear fucked that up.
Some Person correctly? by dripping a rifle with loaded mags?? that's not correctly that's being a fucken idiot for views on RUclips... nobody would drop their rifle like that and if you do you're an idiot or have been shot
this is the most surprising video I've seen on Lancer vs Pmag where most videos are skeptical or bashing Lancer. The magazine is the M2 and not the M3 although.
I just bought a new ar 15, I am so excited to try this test!
I watched a video where a guy dropped his lancer mags on the carpet and the follower broke. What this video shows is that one lancer mag held up better than that one pmag. I don’t own one pmag so don’t attack me as a fan boy, just saying these types of test have different results
I'm glad there's at least one other person out there who's not a fan of PMags. I like almost everything else Magpul does but after buying three M3 magazines and all of them giving me problems I just can't justify buying anymore.
I prefer the lancers too, but let's be real. You can get pmags for 5 bucks a pop while I've never gotten a lancer for less than 15. I say get 5-10 lancer mags for your every day use mags and stockpile basic non-window pmags after that, at the end of the day you'll have several hundred dollars in your pocket and no appreciable difference in performance.
I seriously wonder how PMags outclassed Lancers in US army torture tests.
good job with the drop test installed on the rifle however make sure you check your Optics and any other accessories you have on your rifle because with that much weight you could have easily damaged your optic or your forward
Yep. Will do. Everything seems fine so far.
It held zero!
Are these gen 3 pmags I here they changed there polymer anyway good enough for the USMC good enough for me!🤯🔫🥊
Gregory Hamilton i think they are gen 3. I dint think gen 2s has the window mags
Btw, brutal vid dude. Great research conducted at the mercy of your boom stick.
Oh no, it really hurts to watch the ar dropping with all gears attached, appreciate your video
I completely agree with your assessment, I worked in Aviation for 20 years, despite all the sales hype, I never witnessed composites or plastics with the durability of metal alloy's
Bought the Lancers. Looks like they will be my go-to's from now on. The Pmags will still be in my arsenal as you can never have enough magazines....especially if that BITCH wins. My only problem now....not enough Lancers!!...LOL
I feel your pain, dropping the rifle, but just ejecting the mag, empty or full, is too lite. I haven't watched the full video, but try dropping even an empty mag, after freezing it!?!
I'd say that was pretty conclusive. I don't have a rifle. yet (saving for an SKS), but can you describe the different mags for us dummies? For instance the Magpul seems to be all plastic (no matter what they call it) while the Lancer appears to be plastic reinforced with metal, but I can't tell. exactly where
The body of both the Lancer and Mapul magazines are thermal plastic, but the magpul uses molded plastic feed/retaining lips, whereas the Lancer uses metal lips molded into the plastic, which makes the lancer a bit stronger. In regards to the floor plates, I haven't looked that closely at the lancer design. I have a couple dozen gen3 magpuls, and use ranger plates on them, so dropping them probably wouldn't do as much damage, but who knows. I like the lancer mags.
+Sean Malahy Thanks
the metal isn't molded in, that's impossible. It's either heat bonded or thermal welded. P.S. I work in a plastics plant I know wherof i speak
Would love to see you do the test again with GEN 3 PMAGS. Thanks for the torture test and your time.
I did. Look it up!
just wanted to say THANK YOU for this video! I am building an AR and got me a few of the Lancer smoke mags. I'd like to test them ruggedly like this too. For now I'd like to get a few more and stock up on GI mags too. cheers man
I wasn't aware that the gen 3 made such drastic improvements.
Me either.
i laughed so hard when the pmag dropped. You just had this wtf look.
I was genuinely surprised.
that was a gen 3 pmag not a gen 2. the gen 2 doesn't have the bullet window on the side, it only has the solid polymer block indintions.
Mr. 45acp ,Um all M1 "emag" , M2 and M3 have the window *option*. and the window *option* doesn't do anything except identify how many rounds you have left.Do your research before you rant m8.
I'm glad folks like you drop your guns so I don't have to.
I'm a bit surprised the steel feed lips didn't permanently deform, at least on the off side.
Honestly, so was I.
Looks like a fair, even, real life test to me. We never want to drop our guns but it will happen to all of us. Thumbs up.
Thanks!
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Great video man. And for very one on here bitching about hurting the rifle... it’s a rifle, a machine built for war. If your rifle can’t handle that than you wasted a shit ton of money. A good rifle can be treated like that often and last years with the obvious maintenance. Unless you’re one of those people who wants a rifle for its pretty looks and not it function lol
Do you think the age of the mag played a role? Plastics often become brittle over time. Not making excuses for magpul, just curious.
I do not but even if it did play a role, that's no excuse.
I just took a look at the way my Magpul's lock and stop in the magwell. I have 2 SBR's that I built with billet Black Rain Ordinance. The back edge of the bottom of the magwell comes into contact with the tab on the back edge of the magpul mag. I do not believe you could ever drop the weapon enough or high enough without doing severe damage to the weapon. The contact area is about 5/8 inch wide minus the 1/8 inch rib. The edge of the magwell is tapered. This will cause the mag to be wedged in the magwell and further aid in impact resistance.I checked a forging I have plus another billet from Arizona Ordinance. Both of them also stop on the edge on the back of the magwell plus the pocket for the mag release.I don't see how any of mine will break a magpul...I'm sure as hell not going to drop mine on the road. I'll try to get into a lab where I used to work to get some impact measurements. I can invert it on the top rail and drop a weight on the mag....I'm getting curious now.See if yours has the tab or the magwel in further away than mine. Mine is less than 1/2mm from toughing when the rounds are loading the mag under spring force.Robert
Great to see.. I quit buying them 2years ago when they kept cracking down the rear spine exactly like yours shown at drop 24.. . The only mags I buy are Lancer, ETS, and USGI..
Can we please stop bitching about the rifle. Just appreciate him doing it so you don’t have to do it with yours.. The real topic should be about how the magpul mags failed. I wonder how the Gen3 hold up to this test
the comments. haha. rifles were designed to get beat up. take your queen out of the safe and get it dirty sometimes.
Who uses their abuse and testing rifles for home defense? If the cost of a rifle is a lot to you don't do it. Some of us can afford to have trash rifles for testing. You don't wear work boots to a fancy date if you catch my drift.
Big difference in getting it dirty & deliberately trying to destroy it. I take my kids out to get Dirty but I don't drop them on there heads while doing it 😉
They're tools. I don't care if I ding the face of my hammer up or scuff the handle, I also don't care how much I scuff the hell out of my carbine. Function test, Scotchbrite the burs and dab some black paint pen on it, CorrosionX when dry. The Technical Manual doesn't even call for painting it, just scrub shiny spots with Scotchbrite and top off with film forming dry lubricant if they are found after function checks.
Most everything I own aside from collectables is scratches, holsterwear and scuff marks covered with spray paint and Birchwood Casey touch-up pen.
you just proved your point from the previous video.
I see your point but who's going to be dropping their mags like that LOL I mean I keep mines in a safe and just take them out when I go shooting.
"The bullets aren't good" don't talk lmao
Jack Hoff right?? Seriously though I was the only one who heard that. Then muzzles swaps the guy a few mins later
Paul Teuteul Jr sure has been bored since American Chopper ender.
That's dedication son.
I would be worried about the Lancer feed lips the way they keep popping out rounds. Hard to watch !
military also use them. the soldiers/marines themselves go out and buy them and use for combat. another video a guy dropped 2 on carpet and both followers broke
..... And the Knucklehead of the year award goes to...
I have a couple of TSD Combat Systems 5.56x45 30 rd magazines manufactured in May of 2013.
My lancer that was made in May of '18 is structurally identical to the TSD other than some minor marking changes.
So that means that that is a TSD magazine design that is standing up to the test.
Helpful review.
Thanks for the demonstration of both magazines.
Great Job 👍👍👍👍👍
I got on the Lancer train late in life, after I had already aquired a shitload of PMags. I don't have any clear Lancers though. Can't ever find them in stock anywhere.
Thanks for doing this torture test, I will be ordering at least 5 Lancer mags to add to my Pmag and GI mag stash. My goal is 20 mags per rifle seems lik eyou have much more.
Universal Law same here. always good to have a stash. Love my pmags and lancer mags. slowly getting rid of the pmags though since there's the issue of the follower getting stuck when. there's 5 rounds in it.
Alex TheGreatest thats odd I have never had a single feeding issue from my pmags but I will be paying v close attention. Thanks
Trevor Burgart well I will buy 2 just to try them out fair enough lol. Thanks forn the heads up but I like experience some things first hand.
Universal Law if you ever do just contact pmags. they should replace the mag. I got a new one after I told them what happened. great customer service.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that ranger plates don't negate this possibility on pmags.
No idea. Best way to negate the problem is stick with Gen3 pmags or Lancers.
Awesome. I wanted to do a similar test, but you did it better. Thanks!
tacticalifornia did a video on lancer mags....feeling confused😨
After dropping the mags in the rifle pull back the charging handle to see if the rounds in the lancer will pop out of the feed lips. I am having this issue
Good video. You need to get one of the new daniel defense mags out for testing.