“If men were angels we would have no need of government.”-Thomas Jefferson, what happened in China as a result of three things the power of centralized government and its existence. The second being corruption at all levels and the third being the narcissistic arrogance that accompanies those who seek power. Mao refused will you allow Western intellectual to build his new country and the peasants were not capable. He got a Pissing Contest with Nikita Khrushchev interesting note on socialism is people starved he did not. And he centralized government with all power on him. As an American I have to concede that we have the same problem too much centralized government too many bureaucrats and therefore the human factor creates too much corruption. The biggest problem is the inability to admit you’ve made a mistake before it becomes impossible to fix.
@@Goreuncle As unbiased as any human possibly can be, while at the same time acknowledging that we all have inherent biases. I have to admit that I haven't watched all of them, but the episodes on linguistics and other topics have been of good quality. This episode was solid in that regard as well.
I only discovered Dr. Baum after he had passed away. (I bought his Great Courses lecture series "The Fall and Rise of China" on Audible.) My only regret is that I didn't learn of him 30 years earlier. I cringe at all of the years I spent listening to so many pseudo "experts". His lectures are among the most significant components of my education.
Has anyone noticed that Prof Baum sounds exactly like Tom Hanks? :-) Anyway, I enjoyed tremendously listening to the whole "Rise and Fall of China" lecture. Very well done.
0n farming production: China took until the 1980s to match the farming output of Australia--they made a big deal out of it. At the time, Australia had a total population of about 20 million and a small minority were farmers....
Alicia Henderson It’s my greatest fear. The forces of evil have all the levers of power and clearly are using them. The shallow thinkers bob their heads in dazed approval, critical thinking has been taught out of them.
@@218philip It seems that this current health crisis has opened the door up the door to a lot of sinister, nefarious activity, as of late. I can't help but notice that certain things didn't come up (and/or) become more to the forefront, until this situation that's turned the world upside-down just a year ago, sadly. 😕🤥
Judith Mirville By pushing for fair trade, by making the US energy independent, by standing up to the lies enabled by the shadow government agencies, by defunding china’s stooge agency “WHO”, by trying to reign in the out of control price gouging of the globalist owned drug companies, by trying to secure our borders,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, need any more examples? TDS?
My issue with this lecture is that the issues of the great leap forward are being pushed solely on Mao. If Moa is at the top and his subordinates are lying to him, his decree can only be based on the knowledge he receives. If Mao says that the locals are hoarding the produce, who do you think he got that information from? In fact, the delivery of the lecture seems to have contempt for Mao. Now, I'm no Mao supporter, but as a lecture, I would expect the delivery of the lesson in such a way, not to push a political ideology. This comes off as political propaganda rather than a lecture. I can understand and I do agree that the attempt was flawed in both planning as well as execution. After all, you did say the population was unskilled labourers. However, it is not much different from the development or rather growing pains of any other country throughout history. Case in point, the development of the US was carried out with genocide and land theft. Poorly thought out infrastructures and huge deforestation. But, I digress. It is disingenuous to paint this as if the great leap forward was conceived with nefarious intent.
A lot of his decisions, like the 'hoarding', were based on his own thoughts. Yes, he had advisors and information sources and 'sources', but the decisions were all his. Note that he specifies that a lot of the crap data Mao was using was faked by locals and officials. So it's not said to all be Mao.
@@thekaxmax You ignore his demeanor as he said those things. His contempt was not for the locals, but for Mao as if "he should have been magical and know".
@@thekaxmax Interesting logic. Do you suppose that everything happened instantly in front of his eyes? Because that's the only way you could reach such a conclusion.
Mao new in fact everything that was going on. Not only because he was a leader and because foreign governments and it was widely reported in the press both English and in Asian countries. But more to the point because the secret police reported directly to Mao and they knew virtually everything that went on in the Chinese society at the time. I will see that in reality Mao Zedong was poorly educated in the military so bad decisions were to be expected. But ultimately he made those decisions based on failing to the listen to his counselors.
I feel like this video would be better with a little bit more contextual information at the beginning. I was a little confused about what he getting at in the start.
We hear you! Our channel will be going through some minor upgrades, and the addition of extra context before each video is a consideration our team is discussing. Thanks for the suggestion :)
@TheUkiko It was pretty clear to me that he was cherry-picking silly anectodes, so he could use them to ridicule the whole thing later on. I wasn't expecting much from an American anyway, they're incapable of talking about communism objectively, after so many decades of being fed anti-communist propaganda and indoctrinated in the virtues of unhinged capitalism.
Maybe "the great stumble forward" mould match better. :-) Just kidding. Anyway I am again and again surprised what "the great courses" delivers here. Thanks for that high quality lectures about so many varied topics. That is how I imagined free information for everybdody at the middle of the 80th and not that fake news and social media garbage you are confronted with today. In half an hour you can learn so much. Wished my high school teachers had been that well fosused and interesting presented the stuff - no offense, teachers, you did well though. Thanks and I hope for more lectures for free!
On the other hand, it needed something like this to take the glow off of Mao by both the people and Mao himself....and allowed the rise of practical realists and pragmatic leaders like Deng. So it wasn't all bad consequences.
What if they paid them better themselves families even there county buying power to go to school education money to start business see where iam going with this
mao not at all concerned with ussr. very concerned about usa. usg began to use the threat of atom bombs to compel behavior in ussr, and prc. truman commisioned gen. maacarthur to prepare a list of chinese cities to be erased, in the event of war. and mao began to realize that giant armies of infantry were no longer protection from invasion, or mass death from bombing. so began the great leap to technical warfare. it was expensive, in lives, and not immediately productive. but, even so, china got its bomb, and a resulting sense of safety. the lives were not entirely wasted. and the realization that war depended on technical excellence has underlaid prc policy ever since. they too could send rockets to the moon, and make monstrous explosions in the desert. listen up, usa, is the message: you don't command, any more. unfortunately, the usg is in the control of some very dim people, just read current news.
God rest his soul. Mao Tse Tung was a humanitarian whom saved millions of lives with his great leap forward policy which gave China agricultural independence. He also liberated China from the being a colony of the West and freed China from Japanese imperialism. If there was no Mao Tse Tung, there would be no modern China, and Asia would end up like the middle east, a playground to US imperialism. Long Live the CCP!
/No/ country is, or has ever been, Communist. Not one. Actual socialism and communism get thrown out early on by authoritarians. Example: Lenin was explicitly an elitist, and has a group of socialist farmers executed for wanting to be socialist.
This is one of 48 lectures this man delivers. And yes, it contains a source list at the end. You can download the app to see it for yourself (not that you actually will though, so quit acting like sources are important to you.) Also, he devotes several lectures describing the long March and hoe Mao overthrew the KMT who were collaborating with criminal elements and extorting the population. And he devotes an entire lecture defending Mao as well... Face it, as great of a revolutionary leader Mao was, he was a lousy leader for the country.
He also describe the brutal colonization of China by western powers and describes all the gory details of the Japanese occupation of China as well. Both during world War 1 and world War 2. Watch the whole thing before you get too judgmental.
This is one of 48 lectures this man delivers. And yes, it contains a source list at the end. You can download the app to see it for yourself (not that you actually will though, so quit acting like sources are important to you.)
“If men were angels we would have no need of government.”-Thomas Jefferson, what happened in China as a result of three things the power of centralized government and its existence. The second being corruption at all levels and the third being the narcissistic arrogance that accompanies those who seek power. Mao refused will you allow Western intellectual to build his new country and the peasants were not capable. He got a Pissing Contest with Nikita Khrushchev interesting note on socialism is people starved he did not. And he centralized government with all power on him. As an American I have to concede that we have the same problem too much centralized government too many bureaucrats and therefore the human factor creates too much corruption. The biggest problem is the inability to admit you’ve made a mistake before it becomes impossible to fix.
Very good lecture indeed...hat's off to you sir.
Hooray! I found more of your fantastic lessons! Thank you, Professor Baum!
Excellent lecture. Love Great Courses. One of the few RUclips channels that provide unbiased information provided by exceptionally qualified people.
Thank you. Education is our passion, and we hope it shows!
Unbiased... right 😉
@@Goreuncle
As unbiased as any human possibly can be, while at the same time acknowledging that we all have inherent biases.
I have to admit that I haven't watched all of them, but the episodes on linguistics and other topics have been of good quality. This episode was solid in that regard as well.
I only discovered Dr. Baum after he had passed away. (I bought his Great Courses lecture series "The Fall and Rise of China" on Audible.) My only regret is that I didn't learn of him 30 years earlier. I cringe at all of the years I spent listening to so many pseudo "experts". His lectures are among the most significant components of my education.
Has anyone noticed that Prof Baum sounds exactly like Tom Hanks? :-) Anyway, I enjoyed tremendously listening to the whole "Rise and Fall of China" lecture. Very well done.
Tom's younger, Tom sounds like the Prof. :P
8:19 衛星actually means satellite, not sputnik...I know there are sputnik satellite from earlier USSR, but it's not the same
0n farming production: China took until the 1980s to match the farming output of Australia--they made a big deal out of it. At the time, Australia had a total population of about 20 million and a small minority were farmers....
When’s part 2
This is actually part 18 of a 48 series lecture. Get the service, it's well worth it.
The United States “Great Leap Forward” is just beginning.
Oh, wouldn't YOU love for that to happen! 🤢🤥🙄
Alicia Henderson It’s my greatest fear. The forces of evil have all the levers of power and clearly are using them. The shallow thinkers bob their heads in dazed approval, critical thinking has been taught out of them.
@Truth Speaks ??? 🤔🤔🤔
@@218philip It seems that this current health crisis has opened the door up the door to a lot of sinister, nefarious activity, as of late. I can't help but notice that certain things didn't come up (and/or) become more to the forefront, until this situation that's turned the world upside-down just a year ago, sadly. 😕🤥
Judith Mirville By pushing for fair trade, by making the US energy independent, by standing up to the lies enabled by the shadow government agencies, by defunding china’s stooge agency “WHO”, by trying to reign in the out of control price gouging of the globalist owned drug companies, by trying to secure our borders,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, need any more examples? TDS?
Thank you
My issue with this lecture is that the issues of the great leap forward are being pushed solely on Mao. If Moa is at the top and his subordinates are lying to him, his decree can only be based on the knowledge he receives. If Mao says that the locals are hoarding the produce, who do you think he got that information from? In fact, the delivery of the lecture seems to have contempt for Mao. Now, I'm no Mao supporter, but as a lecture, I would expect the delivery of the lesson in such a way, not to push a political ideology. This comes off as political propaganda rather than a lecture.
I can understand and I do agree that the attempt was flawed in both planning as well as execution. After all, you did say the population was unskilled labourers. However, it is not much different from the development or rather growing pains of any other country throughout history. Case in point, the development of the US was carried out with genocide and land theft. Poorly thought out infrastructures and huge deforestation. But, I digress. It is disingenuous to paint this as if the great leap forward was conceived with nefarious intent.
A lot of his decisions, like the 'hoarding', were based on his own thoughts. Yes, he had advisors and information sources and 'sources', but the decisions were all his. Note that he specifies that a lot of the crap data Mao was using was faked by locals and officials. So it's not said to all be Mao.
@@thekaxmax You ignore his demeanor as he said those things. His contempt was not for the locals, but for Mao as if "he should have been magical and know".
@@winchesterlyon Mao either knew, or he was being lied to by /everyone/ and didn't realise it. Either way he was wrong.
@@thekaxmax Interesting logic. Do you suppose that everything happened instantly in front of his eyes? Because that's the only way you could reach such a conclusion.
Mao new in fact everything that was going on. Not only because he was a leader and because foreign governments and it was widely reported in the press both English and in Asian countries. But more to the point because the secret police reported directly to Mao and they knew virtually everything that went on in the Chinese society at the time. I will see that in reality Mao Zedong was poorly educated in the military so bad decisions were to be expected. But ultimately he made those decisions based on failing to the listen to his counselors.
I feel like this video would be better with a little bit more contextual information at the beginning. I was a little confused about what he getting at in the start.
We hear you! Our channel will be going through some minor upgrades, and the addition of extra context before each video is a consideration our team is discussing. Thanks for the suggestion :)
The title said everything you needed to know...don't really see what the issue is..
@TheUkiko
It was pretty clear to me that he was cherry-picking silly anectodes, so he could use them to ridicule the whole thing later on.
I wasn't expecting much from an American anyway, they're incapable of talking about communism objectively, after so many decades of being fed anti-communist propaganda and indoctrinated in the virtues of unhinged capitalism.
Interesting all Chinese people immigrants parents grandparents have stories of this
Recommended by Brandon Foltz.
10:03 wow. How could ppl be so naive to not know that this isn't gonna work.
Communists are not the brightest people on earth and the Chinese were killed from their blind loyalty. Kill the birds and the locust will take over.
Maybe "the great stumble forward" mould match better. :-) Just kidding.
Anyway I am again and again surprised what "the great courses" delivers here. Thanks for that high quality lectures about so many varied topics. That is how I imagined free information for everybdody at the middle of the 80th and not that fake news and social media garbage you are confronted with today. In half an hour you can learn so much. Wished my high school teachers had been that well fosused and interesting presented the stuff - no offense, teachers, you did well though. Thanks and I hope for more lectures for free!
Or "the great leap backward":)
The ads every 7 mins are annoying
On the other hand, it needed something like this to take the glow off of Mao by both the people and Mao himself....and allowed the rise of practical realists and pragmatic leaders like Deng. So it wasn't all bad consequences.
What if they paid them better themselves families even there county buying power to go to school education money to start business see where iam going with this
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mao not at all concerned with ussr. very concerned about usa.
usg began to use the threat of atom bombs to compel behavior in ussr, and prc. truman commisioned gen. maacarthur to prepare a list of chinese cities to be erased, in the event of war.
and mao began to realize that giant armies of infantry were no longer protection from invasion, or mass death from bombing.
so began the great leap to technical warfare.
it was expensive, in lives, and not immediately productive.
but, even so, china got its bomb, and a resulting sense of safety. the lives were not entirely wasted.
and the realization that war depended on technical excellence has underlaid prc policy ever since.
they too could send rockets to the moon, and make monstrous explosions in the desert.
listen up, usa, is the message: you don't command, any more.
unfortunately, the usg is in the control of some very dim people, just read current news.
Lack of work incentives
that's a management problem not a system problem. As has been demonstrated elsewhere, particularly with UBI experiments.
God rest his soul. Mao Tse Tung was a humanitarian whom saved millions of lives with his great leap forward policy which gave China agricultural independence. He also liberated China from the being a colony of the West and freed China from Japanese imperialism. If there was no Mao Tse Tung, there would be no modern China, and Asia would end up like the middle east, a playground to US imperialism. Long Live the CCP!
Kuckoo for CocoPuffs
When you give the masters total control, people will always enslaved. Simply seen as beasts of burden.
Mao zedong hero of china
"Great Leap Forward" ...if it weren't for Republicans and Manchin we might have one of those.
Yea but that wasn't real communism though
/No/ country is, or has ever been, Communist. Not one. Actual socialism and communism get thrown out early on by authoritarians. Example: Lenin was explicitly an elitist, and has a group of socialist farmers executed for wanting to be socialist.
Very biased and one sided, barely any referencing, and lots of slanders and dramatization. Not a good video
This is one of 48 lectures this man delivers. And yes, it contains a source list at the end. You can download the app to see it for yourself (not that you actually will though, so quit acting like sources are important to you.)
Also, he devotes several lectures describing the long March and hoe Mao overthrew the KMT who were collaborating with criminal elements and extorting the population. And he devotes an entire lecture defending Mao as well... Face it, as great of a revolutionary leader Mao was, he was a lousy leader for the country.
He also describe the brutal colonization of China by western powers and describes all the gory details of the Japanese occupation of China as well. Both during world War 1 and world War 2.
Watch the whole thing before you get too judgmental.
turgid, slanted, and unsubstantiated . Apart from very short random video clips there is little or no referencing.
True
This is one of 48 lectures this man delivers. And yes, it contains a source list at the end. You can download the app to see it for yourself (not that you actually will though, so quit acting like sources are important to you.)