I unsubbed about 2 weeks after 7.0 went live. What I don't understand is that they delayed this expansion and it's still so bad and hollow. There is nothing to do, but play old content and grind for gear in the new convoluted gear system. I have 16 characters and I just couldn't imagine gearing them up in the new system.
I had 30 characters at 75 and 306IR. I played the PTS and provided feedback. Lots of feedback. And when 7.0 dropped, I did not even download the new patch. I unsubbed BOTH of my accounts the same day! I have had 2 accounts since launch. SWTOR was my go to game and I loved it! I had NO issues with game play before 7.0. I just wished that Bioware would not have butchered this game so badly. They should have worked on the ongoing bugs that were in the game. If they wanted to increase the level cap, so be it. BUT, the whole issue of killing the skill tree, screwing with the GUI, removing the Reknown system, and killing the whole gameplay. I have no intent on returning either. Not unless they do a complete rewind on 7.0. And that is not going to happen. So, I am off to FF14. It is ok, just not SWTOR. I left WOW before SWTOR launched, because Blizzard kept screwing with it until it was broken! Now SWTOR is in the same boat. Totally disgusted with what Bioware has done to the game!
That's just it, why the fuck do you have 16 characters lol. At some point you have to call it a game. What they should really have done is make a new SWOR by the eternal emperor shit. One that takes place in a new timeframe. There is already too much to do to call it one game.
I guess people missed the part where content is going to be released over the course of a year at the end of which will be a fully formed expansion. This is a technique employed by Square Enix and Final Fantast to much success.
@@chrislaine8807 No one "missed" that part, but what little content they did release for their 10 year anniversary that was suppose to be so huge was a broken buggy mess. The gear grind was made even worse then before. There was very little good about this expansion other then combat styles.
no pvp content for 4 years, no raid content for 3 years and the new raid being pushed back 6 months at least after an expansion. These developers are too comfortable and just don't care as long as the paycheck keeps coming in.
Raids are no longer in their top 10 replayed content... in large part the removal of ops passes was a shot in their own foot. The original stories were great, because they were unique and had multiple options... but once expansions came around they cheapened out and put us all into a single funnel... meaning those with multiple alts have to grind through the same old story each and every time. And can't really skip if you want titles or anything. The gun stuff is weapon designer stuff that's still coming... which is gonna take a long while no doubt.
they are really disrespecting what players need, like they want to get rid of players and make them move away. Game has so much potential and they don't seem to care
My main was a combat sentinel and what really made me stop playing 1 week after the expansion with the removal of twin fang. They took the only tool we had as a subclass and didnt even have the decency to at least refund us the tech frags and credits that it cost to earn the gear that we had grinded for. Since 7.0 I've only completed the weekly conquest 3 times across my 22 characters. I've just been leveling them and replaying the class stories because if I have to replay content I at least want to enjoy it. I'd much rather pay $40 for every new expansion if it means we go back to the days of KotFE and KotET, when we got good content and hours of story telling. Compared to the combined 2 hours of 7.0 and recycled content.
The sign of a dying game is: multiple currencies. MMOs seem incapable of smart designers that can take "credits" for example, and make it the ONLY currency. New expansion comes out, no new currencies - that would mean you have designers that are not idiots. LAZY LAZY design.
Awesome video. You highlighted very well my own experiences and issues. I hardly even log in these days. I wonder when I'll stop doing that all together. :(
Totally agree dude. I'm at 326 gear now on one of my characters, but because i keep capping on the currencies I cannot possibly gear any of my other toons without grinding a ton of world bosses, heroics, and flashpoints. Its recycled content. There's nothing new. The only way to gear up is to do the recycled content since the only new stuff was just a very very small addition to the story. I would like to get my gear higher, but because story mode raiding gear only goes to 322 and hard mode gear goes only to 326, there is no point in continuing to raid. Nightmare raiders often only progress through each raid until their group gets the achievement and rarely go back in, making 330 gear nearly unobtainable. You've created three different "gear paths" looking at the vendors, but each of them results in a dead end. Conquest gear goes from 320 to 326 (noble) Flashpoint gear goes from: 320-324 for vet mode (elite) 320-326 for master mode (supreme) Operations gear goes from: 320-322 for story mode (tionese) 320-326 for hard mode (columi) 320-330 for nightmare mode (rakata) A couple problems with this 1. how is conquest gear, that is obtained from doing heroics, the easiest content in this game, EQUAL to the highest quality available from hard mode operations? sure the mastery and power differ, but not by much. they are essentially the same. 2. There is no way currently to upgrade from 1 sub path to the next. If i get 322 tionese gear, there is no way through the vendor for me to continue down the "operations" path and upgrade to columi gear or from columi to rakata. To get to rakata I have to run nightmare raids. Which makes sense that nightmare raiders should be the one with nightmare tiered gear. But as explained before, nightmare raids are run for achievements. You need your gear BEFORE going into nightmare raiding. It is not content to be grinding gear in. Without a way to upgrade using at least hard modes, rakata becomes unobtainable (unless you start spamming easy bosses like nefra) Solo players should be locked at conquest level gear (up to 322) conquest level gear should be upgradable doing vet flashpoints or story operations (to 326) vet flashpoint gear/story op gear upgradable doing master flashpoints or hard mode ops (to 330) then in nightmare content players get their achievements. and if they feel like grinding the nightmare content, they get an extra reward like they did in 6.0 (oem's, or maybe something else)
The only thing I've come to not like about loadouts is that you can't switch them while in flashpoints or operations on the fly. That was kind of the main point for them so you can substitute. Having to exit and reenter just to switch your loadout is very redundant.
I unsubbed over a year and a half ago and really never looked back, the new expansion just doesnt do it for me, the gearing aspect for 80's looks like a complete nightmare and for people that don't do ops they get a lackluster gear score and have to live with it... also totally agree with the weapons not being part of the outfitter, how they still havent implemented that is beyond me
Completely agree with everything you said. I also unsubbed, to be paying a monthly sub fee for this garbage is mind blowing. BW want us to grind out the same content we've been playing for many years already for very minimal changes in gear and combat style. There are much better value games out there and even F2P games put out much more content than this abomination,
for me,,the reason i quit heroics years ago was they added knockbacks,stuns,flashes on several elites.champs,,but now,,they added these to almost everything in the game and let alone they ignore all your immunes they absolutly have to knock you,push you,blind you,,,even the weakest of trash,,that`s my last straw
Combat/Carnage players: Waah, we're at the bottom of the DPS charts. Our class is so bad, we're not even viable in HM/NIM content! Me, a Gunnery main: First time?
Hello people. I'm back in SWTOR after over a year break and I'm having a hell of fun. I was a beta tester in 2011 and have played for over 5 years straight and then on and off after short to medium breaks. i have learned that it helps me not to play hardcore for years like i did in the beginning until i don't like it anymore. I love the game because it's the environment and the story that makes STAR WARS for me. It is the game of my life. But... I've also had periods where I couldn't watch it anymore. Hence the long pauses. I recommend anyone who is sick of Swtor, take a step back, uninstall it and then come back after a few months or maybe years :) See you around...stay healthy.
Brother i just got back since a couple of years downtime. Booted up my girl her laptop and redownloaded the game. Insane part? Never cancelled my subscription. I'm fucking loaded with CC. Was a beta tester aswel. Still have the "shut the fuck up about the shit you're bout to see" mail from before they rolled out the beta. I fucking love it. Girls laptop is really fucking slow its an acer but hell on lowest settings its semi playable. Not even doing missions or combat. Just building my stronghold and enjoy the vibe. Customizing my companions their gear and placing them as decoration. Got 26m. Was able to buy the world with it. Now i'm seeing basic decorations like small drop ships going for 150m the fuck is up with that? Dont know what server you're on but maybe we could help eachother getting back into the game. Let me know man. Just dont expect heavy pvp shit from me, laptop wont manage that for fuck sake.
I cancelled my SWTOR subscription after one run through of 7.0. I was like is that all there is ? 10year anniversary? Really disappointed so not paying for a sub.
I came to this conclusion when I realized their manpower was going to cartel packs and MTX mostly. The straw that broke the camels back was a huge issue at the time with framerate lag in warzones. There were many forum posts about it and they were completely radio silent. I'm not going to sub to any service that disregards basic shit that makes a game playable while jamming mtx in my face at every opportunity. This was around the time of strongholds I think. The frustrating part is the game has all the mechanisms in place to make it successful, there's just not enough insight to fit them all together to make something that lasts. I loved a lot of the planets, stories, companions, aesthetics, and I wish I could still will myself to play it, but I can't. They couldn't be fucking up a better situation to be honest. So damn sad. I played warzones. If they had a good enough game to where you could play them without ridiculous lag, I would probably be gladly taking part in microtransactions. That's the order of operations. From what I understood the lag came from the Hero engine which they couldn't readily fix blahblahblah. Fine. That doesn't make it okay. That just reveals what a mistake the Hero engine was. Doing nothing to address it for years at a time is unforgivable IMO. They haven't got any better from what I can tell.
7.0 just killed this game for me too sadly . its like devs just decided to get finished with this game for whatever reason because this whole so called expansion just felt like major downgrade in every possible way .
Off topic: But I think we’ve raided together? Solo Sea sounds so familiar. Anyway, yeah I gave up on SWTOR too. Logging in just made me sad at a certain point. Let’s hope for a new Star Wars mmo this decade.
More importantly, with the downfall of activision blizzard and WoW being on its knees due to their company's issues, it's as if Bioware was holding the gun pointed at them, getting ready to execute them with LotS, but instead they took the gun and shot themselves in the head with it.
Nobody seems to talk about how the streamlining and rebalancing of everything has adversely affected the game itself. Each planet used to take a considerable amount of quests to "graduate" from, so to speak. Story quests used to be very challenging and usually required some over-leveling to complete. Now you can make a sith character and graduate from korriban and get about 80% through dromund kaas in an afternoon. Story progression is a laughable breeze and holds no challenge at all. Its just trivial now. To some degree, the devs knew this would happen because they cut a huge chunk of quests from planets. Quest giver npcs stand uselessly around, acting as if they will open up their quests at some point only to never do so. Its a shame because finishing a planet used to feel like such an accomplishment, and needing to get through tough quests encouraged players to group up with others. (Nobody groups together anymore unless they're already friends). These were also fully voiced quest lines, mind you. So that's voiced and fleshed out quests just cut from the game. Same goes for trainer npcs. They're utterly useless now because you just auto-learn your new abilities when you level up. As for the abilities themselves, the casting rebalance took a lot of the fun from certain classes like Sith Warrior's Ravage and botched some animations like Vicious Slash, which looks so odd it almost looks like the game is bugged and thinks you're holding two sabers when you're only holding one. Why they felt the need to change the Vicious Slash animation is beyond me, but I hate it now. I pray the rumors are true that EA's handing swtor off to someone else. This game's been on a downward spiral since forever and it needs saving.
Hey, nice video and I totally understand, I unsubed in the 1st week. Used to main the assassin. The customization of skills feel pointless, when in 6.3 I used to have the needed buffs for pve and pvp, now I have to switch before entering in pvp, if I do not forget. Also I was a fan of completining conquests and doing a bunch of heroics, now I can't do the heroics I like cuz weekly they change. Stats and weapons where spot on in the clip, gearing requires much more time than expected, and since this year I've become a father, I have less than 2h/day to play, which you know it's not enough. And the imbalance in pvp seems even worse than 6.3. No new content, let's be honest, without that manaan thing you haven't lost anything in ur story.... It's sad and I hope more will unsub, just to deliver a message. Thank you
I'm not the kind of person to throw a fit out of emotion and just "quit". I gave this expansion a chance regardless of being aware of issues. I have played since the beginning of this game (although off and on for sure) and have gone through many other changes. Some of those changes did feel bad but nothing like what this expansion has done. Those other expansions also came with a LOT more content at the start. Its clear that the move by Bioware here is to garner new players. Their data probably shows that vet players like myself have enough credits to where we dont need to buy cash shop items and they see us as creating the inflation that they think they can fix by pushing us out of the game for new blood. Looking back at the PTS requests early on for this patch shows this - we would say, "This is a big problem don't do this" and their (Bioware's) response was "Sure Sure but can you level a character from 1 - 60 on PTS please and let us know how it feels?" They knew what they were doing - they forsook their loyal players to artificially cater to new players with "shiney" (and blinding I might add).
One of my issues is that they say end game mod gear will be back 'soon', so everything that is being grinded now will be useless? paired with making weapons i spent money on also useless, destroying augs while upgrading (they could have at least killed the need for mk-11), the absurd slow pace you get the Aqua Matrix currenc., ...is getting hard to justify staying in, i love this game, +3700 hours in (PvE/PvP), but this is outrageous. Also also, it's nice that i don't have to go back to the terminal to get mission rewards, but i still need to stay close to it to get the weekly again - they could just make it into a menu.
I took my que from the short Onslaught story and bounced. I was excited to learn about the cross class thing but hearing its ?shorter than onslaught? I have absolutely 0 interest in returning.
I took a very long break and came back in early March. I have played this game for years, I know how to gear my chars, but I kept dying in basic story content. (Iokath, and the stupid Gemini boss) I couldn't figure out why! Apparently, my gear was scaled, companion didn't do squat and my relics don't work at all. What the hell have they done to this game? I put all my 306 gear back on and it seems to be better, but then what's the point of grinding for gear I don't even need. 🤔
I completely understand why your leaving this game I'm about to leave once my sub runs out might return in 2023 to see what's new cause why spend $15 a month or whatever you went with to either get little to no content I just think subbing to this game month after month is a waste of money its crazy how much they went downhill after Kotet expansion sometimes it feels like they don't even care about this game anymore cause of the lack of content Edit: I might go check out World of Warcraft to see if that's any good
World Of Warcraft and Swtor travel down the same road to self destruction. It doesn't help that Blizzard is an absolute mess at the moment. If you're disappointed or uninterested in Swtor I'd stay away from WoW as well.
@@yourfriendlyneighborhoodsaiyan WoW has been going on a downward spiral every since the Panda land expansion IMO. The community has been pretty upset as Blizzards been violating WoW in the same/similar ways that Bioware is doing with Swtor. Just to keep it short. Try it out for yourself for sure just keep that in mind. Check out Josh Strife Hayes on RUclips. He has a lot of MMO related content in general. TESO and OSRS might also be worth trying out same with FFO.
What do you mean 3.0 Carnage Marauder used to work differently? Sorry only joined the game in 6.0. I like Carnage, but they kinda butchered it and other Mara spec as well (choice between DCD or CC).
it was a completely different rotation and you went high alacrity, it was all about your APM. You would have to use precision before certain abilities to boost their damage. If you ever played WoW think Fury warrior.
Ferocity used to be called gore and it would give 100% armor penetration for three seconds, so you would run high alacrity to clip extra abilities into those gore windows basically.
I agree why this game sucks... they change the game twice.... The reason why i left was fallen empire and eternal throne and the other expansions because you have to do it 2 - 4 times.... just to have master mode to unlock. They also failed star fortress putting you on veteran difficulty level just to get the rest of companions even though people don't want to que up for star fortress for more cool companions... I spent a lot of hours and still couldn't get what I need and I was a member at the time as well... Bioware are hookers scams.... the only thing that a better starwars is going to be ubisoft open world after avatar the blue people is release then a new star wars will come out six years later.... Single player... Single player is the best thing there is.... in this game industries... we get offline mode... we get no lag for offline mode... this is what a game should be.... and swtor is so expensive the frame rate keeps dropping like every other MMO... It pains me to feel that future games and our technology is not where it should be at this moment. It pains me to see FF14, world of warcraft, maplestory, runescape... every mmorpg will always mess up eventually do we all see the pattern yet? world of warcraft bad expansion of shadowlands a lot of veteran quitted Runescape 3 made it to world of warcraft play style... every veteran quitted, star wars the old republic they quitted for level synch on each planet (once you get raid gear it is completely useless on low level planets, Maplestory had it's own issue as well not sure what made people leave and now there is only a little bit of servers left.... Dragon Nest a new company bought it and it went terrible...
Then there’s me, a new player 1 month in. Completed all the story till KOTET and at my second month of subscription everything I was just getting used to is changed, PLUS, I was a marauder but now I’m stuck as assassin cause a bug locked me and I already have to get used with tickets, customer service. What a BS
I play WoW and covenant are dogshit. There’s always a better covenant and you have to pick the meta it if you want to get into mythic raids. The grind is more insane with “bore” ghast tower. This game is more easy and fun than WoW.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. I totally respect this veteran players opinion; however, I feel that this game caters to more casual players like myself.
I've got 38 characters on my main server, ground up to 326 on the main character I wanted to play most, now I have to swap all of it out for Columi. I also have found that my class of choice has had a major nerf. and I'm near the btm for dps from lower top parse. the amount of grinding I have to do, so I can get Rakata gear is garbage. I have 60k cheevo points and have been playing since 4.0. I'm 100% on most stuff in the game. I don't even wanna play anymore. I love the combat sent. but I choose to play Kinetic sage and now it sux.
One of my biggest issues with 7.0 is how overtuned the "apex" bosses are in HM. I was talking to a buddy the other day and he was talking about how he did Styrak the night before and i asked him how geared they were and he was like oh, mostly 330. That is a problem. You shouldn't need NIM gear to beat a HM boss. You should only need the gear HM drops in order to clear a HM boss.
They have so much HP you nearly feel drained after each fight. It's not more added mechanics or them needing to be better executed, it's just much more HP.
Really? Had some friends do it in 322-326 gear on average and they said they didn’t have too much of a problem once they told one of their friends that they need to replace him for sand bagging (nice guy, just can’t pull anything above 2k dps for whatever reason).
I've literally never heard someone say "Seven dot Oh" for 7.0 ("Seven point oh"). I lul'd. And yes, the lack of content, just the thought that they'd drop virtually no content and think that a promise to trickle content over the next 6 months...on a 10 year anniversary no less.... I mean, it is kinda funny, right?
The worst part of all is because all the gear is bound to legacy once you have a 326 set of gear you can basically just take the any of the gear tech or Force user put it in your legacy storage and then basically keep opening up the heroic gear for automatic 326 gear if you equip it on the other characters
i generally agree but would like to add that i'm cautiously optimistic for actual content to drop over the next 12 month cycle. regarding carnage marauder, that spec has been hit with the nerf bat so hard so many times it's almost laughable. I've played marauder since vanilla and carnage was always my go to spec until 3.0... 2.10 was actually the carnage peak (it was always pretty good up to 3.0) and it briefly came back to form somewhere in 5.x.. there's 2 other viable specs for that class tho so it's not really a deal breaker esp when you consider fury is fotm in 7.0.. I really like combat styles and loadouts and think the ability trees on most specs i've played so far are actually pretty decent. some have worse choices than others. dying for a new daily area to explore tho and some more pvp maps and fps would be really nice
I have cancelled my sub for the first time in 10 years of playing because of this Update.. They have completely killed the game for me and i have moved on to Final Fantasy 14 because now i'm looking for another MMORPG to replace it with
Sounds like the average player base is dying and devs may need to move on. The smaller die-hard fan base like you and your friends may not be enough to keep the game going? Speculation only
Tbh it's been enough for the past many years. There are still many dumb asses spending thousands on the cartel market, thus keeping the skeleton crew alive
I played KOTOR and KOTOR 2 this year for the very first time. And replayed both many times. I am starved for a KOTOR 3 but this SWTOR is all their is and I am hesitant. I just want the Single player RPG experience like Kotor 1 and 2. :(
WoW geeks complain they'll only have 4 relevant new dungeons in the first season of Dragonblight (but 8 new in total), but in SWTOR ... Black Talon is still relevant and needs to be farmed in 2022 lmao. Also, we still have to farm Soa 11 years later.
content story-wise. The gear grind looked like a hassle to do just to be eligible to play old content. Imagine grinding for new gears just to play....Eternity Vault.
Im right there with ya, almost. I have like 86 toons just on one server and a few scattered on others. Since 7.0, i only play 13 of them, simply because they are all in different guilds and i do conquest on them to be considered active, and then i figure out what mats i wanna grind for and how and log in the appropriate toons day to day. and then i raid on the weekend after i've upgraded a few things, IF possible.
When they said you could do things with the classes I thought "oh shit I can have my jedit world a sniper rifle or my wield a double bladed saber..... Nope.... Then I thought you could have them swap weapons.... Soldiers could wield sabers, etc..... So what was the point of 7.0?!
It’s basically was SOE did to Star Wars Galaxies mind you I stayed subbed right to last day of that game, I’m do same here but yeah it should have been held back released all at once was annoyed I lost attacks and have to re gear them all it’s the companions all over again when we spent time and credits stating them and they just remove that. Eh I’ll stick it out but needs work
A bit not releated to the topic, but I love th character look, could tell me what pieces you have? The game is quite a mess. The only good side for me is the combat style system. The skill tree is cool too, but when I saw it once, I though "Oh, they probably will add more ablites, maybe bring back from 4.0, and we will be able to pick between those" How naive I was...
Here you go! right price helm Infamous Bounty Hunter's bracers Outer rim officer's chest piece [black black dye] Outer rim officer's Boots Outer rim officer's Belt Je'daii warrior Greaves republic protector's gloves
They don't play the game. I can say that in PvP there is no way they actually played anyways. There are classes who literally get best Protection while at the same time get upper level DPS with mid level healing while I saw in the same match a Juggernaut Vengeance get mid level DPS with 0 protection and 0 healing. That is not IMBALANCE, it is BROKEN! Un-subbed till fixed. Even then I might just stop while I actually enjoyed playing for Ten years pre-7.0.
We tried SnV last night too NiM just for Dashroode, we were on average 326 gear with full augments but we still had him at 40% HP when we reached the last point of the shield. The only 'doable' boss in NiM with non-nim gear at the moment is Nefra from Dread Fortress.
@@solosea5536 On the DPS side which is the most important we had 3x guardians and 1x vanguard. The parse was around 22k for the guardians and 19k for the vanguard.
@@Kenion2k So I think right now the strat would be to solo tank dash it can be done but its not fun, that should help to get him to 30% before the last shield then I would suggest have a sniper for bubble, that should help also everyone will need to watch their stacks to help healers, other than that it is just tuning, also your VG should have been able to do a little more than 19k at 326 fully aug'd
i've killed dashroode with a lot of different groups, and it's really not that tricky since they scaled the operation down since it was overtuned in 6.0. For some reason (I honestly cant tell you why exactly) all groups insist on staying on the first position and just heal through it. If you have decently geared dps (324+) you kill the Boss when you reach 65~ stacks of the ticking debuff. I suppose people like to play it like that to get more damage since you dont have to move and dont get ported out. It's really just about the heals stacking AoE Talents/Tacticals, the easiest way is just having 2 scoundrels/operatives since they are so overtuned in 7.0 its not even funny anymore. I've also didn't have a single group that solo-tanked it, since you cant really heal a dpswt thats tanking dashroode even for 5 seconds which is required because of the aggro loss on the kick. Good luck on your runs!
@@k1rito853 Yeah its impossible to solo tank that one when he resets aggro, but yeah we did it with the usual tactics and moving + people getting ported may have missed on a few good minutes of damage.
ugh i don't pvp, not even rarely. i'd hope they'd know there are people who don't. i just assumed that the rewards for pvp'ing were things that benefited fighting pvp...? it's been a long time since i played and even then i never looked up at the end game stuff
It's a good video, and I agree with a lot of what you said. If it weren't for pvp and gsf I wouldn't even bother playing the game. PvP is playable, but fuck is it weird missing so many buttons.
We have to realize they development team is really small now and honestly they don't know how they should continue + bioware is more focused on new Mass Effect and new Dragon Age so that studio has really low numbers rn. And it reflects on content we getting. I am saying SWTOR is just cashgrab since KOTET ended *spoilers below* I don't know why Valkorion couldn't be in some operation... it's really strange they throwing most powerful ppl in poor solo flashpoint...Echoes of Oblivion for example...total disgracee to character like Valkorion alias Vitiate, Tenebrae. And now same thing happening to malgus...We already defeated malgus like 3th time...First time in False Emperor, then again in Onslaught as rep side character and now we imprisoned him on fleet -.- It's predictable af what will come next... Sa'har will rescue Malgus potentionaly fall into dark side trough his manipulation became her new apprentice only because she wants to find her brother and literally nobody else will help him...And that new operation? R4 Anomaly? Looks very good from what i saw. But they gonna merge it with story? :D operation without story seems to me bit useless...I would say best operations they ever did was DF and DP u have daily planet, great atmosphere, 2 operations and it's mainly connected with story
I’m actually friends with a few game artists for swtor. They have a hard time designing for the game’s engine because it’s so old. Their main job is designing stuff for the cash shop,
Swtor has a special place in my heart but EA and how the developers interact with the community has left much to be desire the game game out in 2011 but there still isn’t good communication on EA part to interact with their community. They treat as as consumers as opposed to invested community members in the game. I hope EA realizes what it is doing I would really hate for them to kill the game off.
this update was far from ready and bioware should have pushed EA back can this be blamed on the devs yes they are somewhat to blame but a massive amount of that blame goes to EA
They took away or delayed the drop of too many core abilities. Meanwhile nerfing main characters and increasing all enemies especially in Heroics and flashpoints. Inquisitor is almost unplayable now. Warriors are nerfed. I’m out. It’s not fun anymore. I used to love heroics and flashpoints They’re horrible and not fun anymore.
Removing twin god fang did not by any means make the class unplayable. Look i agree with pretty much everything you said but everyone complaining about the removal of that tactical is complaining that the spec now plays differently, combat sent was already the lowest parsing spec in the entire game and if anything it got slightly better in 7.0, only difference is that now you actually have to do a rotation unlike last expansion, no one in high end played combat sent and no one with the ability to play high end will say that being forced to perform a rotation makes the class unplayable.
Don’t get me wrong, being able to spam massacre looked pretty cool, but it got old after a while and I’d rather perform an actual rotation that does good dps vs something that just looks slightly cool. I honestly like some of the choices made for it that focus on doing more damage the more speed buffs you have on you. I still don’t think I will be playing the spec just yet, but I think what would really bring it together is to change ferocity to work like how gore used to work. Wouldn’t fix everything, but I feel it would really help the class.
@@darthjarjarbinks8953 yeah man youre right, anyone who is angry about the changes to combat is a single button spam enthusiast which is shit class design, removing that and forcing players to have some semblance of brain function while playing the game is by no means making the class unplayable. Overall combat is doing more damage than it did in 6.0 comparatively right as we speak but its still the shittiest spec in the game lmao so no one that wants to be taken seriously as an asset to a team should be playing it now or before.
Glad they didn't ruin my lethality operative at least, been playing that spec since 3.0. Its a good thing I already liked GSF, because that's the only way I gear my characters. There's no better way than that it seems. Even then, I've played off and on since the patch (I only have time after work for a couple hours here and there) and just 2 days ago hit 326, just because of the stupid mat caps.
Gearing is easy ones you got your main character to 326 as DPS you collect crates without open them and when you switch to your second Combat Style Tank for example and than open the crates you will have 326 Tank Gear same for Healer alt
And SWTOR went face roll play in 4.0 don't act like you are superior. SWTOR is in a bad state WoW is not any better but at least they added new content which is more than can be said for SWTOR atm
shadowlands was actaully good but took to long for new content as for this is just a joke 2 hours story and thats it forced to do heroric,s and u have to do nim raids but then u have to stil upgrade it just a joke its a grind and it sucks i quited 2 weeks after 7.0
What are you confused about? MMOs need content, BW doesn't release new content at an acceptable pace, players end up demanding new content. Playing the same 11 year old content this game launched with is not acceptable for a game they ask money for. Stop being such a BW sycophant.
What are you even doing in the game? Playing the 11 year old 1-50 content for the 70th time? Wow what an amazing game, we're all just haters who need to be better.
This is a "game" that is played in many games. I call this to be a downgrade because that is in effect what it is doing for me. And I'm just a casual gamer, I play the first 3 chapters of the game for the story: no endgame, no other fancy stuff. I liked the armor that I could get at level 75 - a lot of nice looking stuff and it is gone now. I don't use the game store for much more than "upgrade" stuff. Most other items have been given to me for free. Incidentally Guild Wars 2 had a new "expansion" about the same time as SWTOR. Funny to see that they patched the game every day for about a week. Yes, bugs are part of the business plan currently and it is played everywhere. I can understand your' "bye-bye". I have done the same with other games or I have reduced my presence for occasional returns (like Guild Wars). But I'm gone for good from Neverwinter Nights and some other MMOs. There is just a limit for what I'm willing to suffer. If the frustation level rises above my entertainment level, I'm out. I may be back to gog.com and buy some plane old single player game. Remember all you devs out there: you make an offer but I'm the one to take it or leave it. You don't offer my wants, I'm looking elsewhere. I don't have to fund my own frustration.
Anyone else think that level scaling is bullshit?
I unsubbed about 2 weeks after 7.0 went live. What I don't understand is that they delayed this expansion and it's still so bad and hollow. There is nothing to do, but play old content and grind for gear in the new convoluted gear system. I have 16 characters and I just couldn't imagine gearing them up in the new system.
And imagine if you add a 2nd class to each
I had 30 characters at 75 and 306IR. I played the PTS and provided feedback. Lots of feedback. And when 7.0 dropped, I did not even download the new patch. I unsubbed BOTH of my accounts the same day! I have had 2 accounts since launch. SWTOR was my go to game and I loved it! I had NO issues with game play before 7.0. I just wished that Bioware would not have butchered this game so badly. They should have worked on the ongoing bugs that were in the game. If they wanted to increase the level cap, so be it. BUT, the whole issue of killing the skill tree, screwing with the GUI, removing the Reknown system, and killing the whole gameplay. I have no intent on returning either. Not unless they do a complete rewind on 7.0. And that is not going to happen. So, I am off to FF14. It is ok, just not SWTOR. I left WOW before SWTOR launched, because Blizzard kept screwing with it until it was broken! Now SWTOR is in the same boat. Totally disgusted with what Bioware has done to the game!
That's just it, why the fuck do you have 16 characters lol. At some point you have to call it a game. What they should really have done is make a new SWOR by the eternal emperor shit. One that takes place in a new timeframe. There is already too much to do to call it one game.
I guess people missed the part where content is going to be released over the course of a year at the end of which will be a fully formed expansion. This is a technique employed by Square Enix and Final Fantast to much success.
@@chrislaine8807 No one "missed" that part, but what little content they did release for their 10 year anniversary that was suppose to be so huge was a broken buggy mess. The gear grind was made even worse then before. There was very little good about this expansion other then combat styles.
they put all their money into the cinematic
And it was a different company (outsourced) that did the cinematic.
@@cylonscotty7418 makes no difference
I straight up thought it was for a different game when my friend showed me it lol
no pvp content for 4 years, no raid content for 3 years and the new raid being pushed back 6 months at least after an expansion. These developers are too comfortable and just don't care as long as the paycheck keeps coming in.
Raids are no longer in their top 10 replayed content... in large part the removal of ops passes was a shot in their own foot.
The original stories were great, because they were unique and had multiple options... but once expansions came around they cheapened out and put us all into a single funnel... meaning those with multiple alts have to grind through the same old story each and every time. And can't really skip if you want titles or anything.
The gun stuff is weapon designer stuff that's still coming... which is gonna take a long while no doubt.
they are really disrespecting what players need, like they want to get rid of players and make them move away. Game has so much potential and they don't seem to care
It’s Darth EA
My main was a combat sentinel and what really made me stop playing 1 week after the expansion with the removal of twin fang. They took the only tool we had as a subclass and didnt even have the decency to at least refund us the tech frags and credits that it cost to earn the gear that we had grinded for.
Since 7.0 I've only completed the weekly conquest 3 times across my 22 characters. I've just been leveling them and replaying the class stories because if I have to replay content I at least want to enjoy it.
I'd much rather pay $40 for every new expansion if it means we go back to the days of KotFE and KotET, when we got good content and hours of story telling. Compared to the combined 2 hours of 7.0 and recycled content.
In my personal opinion, combat/carnage is better off without Fanged God Form.
The sign of a dying game is: multiple currencies. MMOs seem incapable of smart designers that can take "credits" for example, and make it the ONLY currency. New expansion comes out, no new currencies - that would mean you have designers that are not idiots. LAZY LAZY design.
Awesome video. You highlighted very well my own experiences and issues. I hardly even log in these days. I wonder when I'll stop doing that all together. :(
Totally agree dude. I'm at 326 gear now on one of my characters, but because i keep capping on the currencies I cannot possibly gear any of my other toons without grinding a ton of world bosses, heroics, and flashpoints. Its recycled content. There's nothing new. The only way to gear up is to do the recycled content since the only new stuff was just a very very small addition to the story.
I would like to get my gear higher, but because story mode raiding gear only goes to 322 and hard mode gear goes only to 326, there is no point in continuing to raid. Nightmare raiders often only progress through each raid until their group gets the achievement and rarely go back in, making 330 gear nearly unobtainable. You've created three different "gear paths" looking at the vendors, but each of them results in a dead end.
Conquest gear goes from 320 to 326 (noble)
Flashpoint gear goes from:
320-324 for vet mode (elite)
320-326 for master mode (supreme)
Operations gear goes from:
320-322 for story mode (tionese)
320-326 for hard mode (columi)
320-330 for nightmare mode (rakata)
A couple problems with this
1. how is conquest gear, that is obtained from doing heroics, the easiest content in this game, EQUAL to the highest quality available from hard mode operations? sure the mastery and power differ, but not by much. they are essentially the same.
2. There is no way currently to upgrade from 1 sub path to the next. If i get 322 tionese gear, there is no way through the vendor for me to continue down the "operations" path and upgrade to columi gear or from columi to rakata. To get to rakata I have to run nightmare raids. Which makes sense that nightmare raiders should be the one with nightmare tiered gear. But as explained before, nightmare raids are run for achievements. You need your gear BEFORE going into nightmare raiding. It is not content to be grinding gear in. Without a way to upgrade using at least hard modes, rakata becomes unobtainable (unless you start spamming easy bosses like nefra)
Solo players should be locked at conquest level gear (up to 322)
conquest level gear should be upgradable doing vet flashpoints or story operations (to 326)
vet flashpoint gear/story op gear upgradable doing master flashpoints or hard mode ops (to 330)
then in nightmare content players get their achievements. and if they feel like grinding the nightmare content, they get an extra reward like they did in 6.0 (oem's, or maybe something else)
Come give SWG Beyond a try if you like older SW MMO you can find footage under my profile.
@@TaurielWoW
Ok bot
The only thing I've come to not like about loadouts is that you can't switch them while in flashpoints or operations on the fly. That was kind of the main point for them so you can substitute. Having to exit and reenter just to switch your loadout is very redundant.
Thanks for this. Glad to see so many people agree. Good video 👌🏽
People need to stop calling this a expansion, because it is NOT a expansion.
I unsubbed over a year and a half ago and really never looked back, the new expansion just doesnt do it for me, the gearing aspect for 80's looks like a complete nightmare and for people that don't do ops they get a lackluster gear score and have to live with it... also totally agree with the weapons not being part of the outfitter, how they still havent implemented that is beyond me
i hate the gearing system so much that i havent used my 80 since his hit 80 and i hit 80 a day or 2 after 7.0
SWTOR players when they cant progress in the MMO by soloing content and ignoring endgame: 🤬🤬🤬🤯🤯🤯🤯
PREACH!! Thank you for the video!!
Completely agree with everything you said. I also unsubbed, to be paying a monthly sub fee for this garbage is mind blowing. BW want us to grind out the same content we've been playing for many years already for very minimal changes in gear and combat style. There are much better value games out there and even F2P games put out much more content than this abomination,
for me,,the reason i quit heroics years ago was they added knockbacks,stuns,flashes on several elites.champs,,but now,,they added these to almost everything in the game and let alone they ignore all your immunes they absolutly have to knock you,push you,blind you,,,even the weakest of trash,,that`s my last straw
SWTOR players when the game has a modicum of challenge and you cant get to endgame by pressing one button mindlessly: 🤬🤬🤬
Combat/Carnage players: Waah, we're at the bottom of the DPS charts. Our class is so bad, we're not even viable in HM/NIM content!
Me, a Gunnery main: First time?
combat/carnage was worse than arsenal even in 6.0 man
Bioware treating it's player base like chumps. I am over giving them money for this game...
Hello people. I'm back in SWTOR after over a year break and I'm having a hell of fun. I was a beta tester in 2011 and have played for over 5 years straight and then on and off after short to medium breaks. i have learned that it helps me not to play hardcore for years like i did in the beginning until i don't like it anymore.
I love the game because it's the environment and the story that makes STAR WARS for me. It is the game of my life.
But... I've also had periods where I couldn't watch it anymore. Hence the long pauses.
I recommend anyone who is sick of Swtor, take a step back, uninstall it and then come back after a few months or maybe years :) See you around...stay healthy.
Brother i just got back since a couple of years downtime. Booted up my girl her laptop and redownloaded the game. Insane part? Never cancelled my subscription. I'm fucking loaded with CC. Was a beta tester aswel. Still have the "shut the fuck up about the shit you're bout to see" mail from before they rolled out the beta. I fucking love it. Girls laptop is really fucking slow its an acer but hell on lowest settings its semi playable. Not even doing missions or combat. Just building my stronghold and enjoy the vibe. Customizing my companions their gear and placing them as decoration. Got 26m. Was able to buy the world with it. Now i'm seeing basic decorations like small drop ships going for 150m the fuck is up with that? Dont know what server you're on but maybe we could help eachother getting back into the game. Let me know man. Just dont expect heavy pvp shit from me, laptop wont manage that for fuck sake.
Useless advice that only gives BW a pass on the hole they've dug this game into.
I cancelled my SWTOR subscription after one run through of 7.0. I was like is that all there is ? 10year anniversary? Really disappointed so not paying for a sub.
I came to this conclusion when I realized their manpower was going to cartel packs and MTX mostly. The straw that broke the camels back was a huge issue at the time with framerate lag in warzones. There were many forum posts about it and they were completely radio silent. I'm not going to sub to any service that disregards basic shit that makes a game playable while jamming mtx in my face at every opportunity. This was around the time of strongholds I think. The frustrating part is the game has all the mechanisms in place to make it successful, there's just not enough insight to fit them all together to make something that lasts. I loved a lot of the planets, stories, companions, aesthetics, and I wish I could still will myself to play it, but I can't. They couldn't be fucking up a better situation to be honest. So damn sad.
I played warzones. If they had a good enough game to where you could play them without ridiculous lag, I would probably be gladly taking part in microtransactions. That's the order of operations. From what I understood the lag came from the Hero engine which they couldn't readily fix blahblahblah. Fine. That doesn't make it okay. That just reveals what a mistake the Hero engine was. Doing nothing to address it for years at a time is unforgivable IMO. They haven't got any better from what I can tell.
The new gear grind is so tedious it's past limits even Activision Blizzard wouldn't cross.
Yea I mean I was not really a fan of BFA or Shadowlands gearing but this new system is very convoluted for no reason
The new gearing system is a pathetic grindfest.
7.0 just killed this game for me too sadly . its like devs just decided to get finished with this game for whatever reason because this whole so called expansion just felt like major downgrade in every possible way .
Now into my third week of not playing swtor... which... is just crazy given I was logged in for 2-3 hours on most days prior to this mess. :(
Off topic: But I think we’ve raided together? Solo Sea sounds so familiar.
Anyway, yeah I gave up on SWTOR too. Logging in just made me sad at a certain point. Let’s hope for a new Star Wars mmo this decade.
They should just rollback this game to how it was in 3.0
More importantly, with the downfall of activision blizzard and WoW being on its knees due to their company's issues, it's as if Bioware was holding the gun pointed at them, getting ready to execute them with LotS, but instead they took the gun and shot themselves in the head with it.
You have 0 idea about Activision-Blizzard and wow.
Seems like sheep got opinions from people who get paid to make hyperbolic opinions.
I played Combat Sentinel for 10 years and didn't know my class is publicly-known underpowered...
Nobody seems to talk about how the streamlining and rebalancing of everything has adversely affected the game itself. Each planet used to take a considerable amount of quests to "graduate" from, so to speak. Story quests used to be very challenging and usually required some over-leveling to complete. Now you can make a sith character and graduate from korriban and get about 80% through dromund kaas in an afternoon. Story progression is a laughable breeze and holds no challenge at all. Its just trivial now.
To some degree, the devs knew this would happen because they cut a huge chunk of quests from planets. Quest giver npcs stand uselessly around, acting as if they will open up their quests at some point only to never do so. Its a shame because finishing a planet used to feel like such an accomplishment, and needing to get through tough quests encouraged players to group up with others. (Nobody groups together anymore unless they're already friends). These were also fully voiced quest lines, mind you. So that's voiced and fleshed out quests just cut from the game.
Same goes for trainer npcs. They're utterly useless now because you just auto-learn your new abilities when you level up. As for the abilities themselves, the casting rebalance took a lot of the fun from certain classes like Sith Warrior's Ravage and botched some animations like Vicious Slash, which looks so odd it almost looks like the game is bugged and thinks you're holding two sabers when you're only holding one. Why they felt the need to change the Vicious Slash animation is beyond me, but I hate it now.
I pray the rumors are true that EA's handing swtor off to someone else. This game's been on a downward spiral since forever and it needs saving.
Hey, nice video and I totally understand, I unsubed in the 1st week.
Used to main the assassin. The customization of skills feel pointless, when in 6.3 I used to have the needed buffs for pve and pvp, now I have to switch before entering in pvp, if I do not forget.
Also I was a fan of completining conquests and doing a bunch of heroics, now I can't do the heroics I like cuz weekly they change.
Stats and weapons where spot on in the clip, gearing requires much more time than expected, and since this year I've become a father, I have less than 2h/day to play, which you know it's not enough.
And the imbalance in pvp seems even worse than 6.3. No new content, let's be honest, without that manaan thing you haven't lost anything in ur story.... It's sad and I hope more will unsub, just to deliver a message.
Thank you
Come give SWG Beyond a try if you like older SW MMO you can find footage under my profile.
I'm not the kind of person to throw a fit out of emotion and just "quit". I gave this expansion a chance regardless of being aware of issues. I have played since the beginning of this game (although off and on for sure) and have gone through many other changes. Some of those changes did feel bad but nothing like what this expansion has done. Those other expansions also came with a LOT more content at the start.
Its clear that the move by Bioware here is to garner new players. Their data probably shows that vet players like myself have enough credits to where we dont need to buy cash shop items and they see us as creating the inflation that they think they can fix by pushing us out of the game for new blood.
Looking back at the PTS requests early on for this patch shows this - we would say, "This is a big problem don't do this" and their (Bioware's) response was "Sure Sure but can you level a character from 1 - 60 on PTS please and let us know how it feels?"
They knew what they were doing - they forsook their loyal players to artificially cater to new players with "shiney" (and blinding I might add).
Come give SWG Beyond a try if you like older SW MMO you can find footage under my profile.
Dude it isn't an expansion it is a patch update, a failed once at that.
People still prefer to play the original class stories which were created more than 10 years ago! While we waited 1 year for 3 flashpoints!
I have been told that Bioware had alot of resources back at launch all the way to Kotet expansion
Armies in the future armies will use swtor currency combos for military grade encryption.
You can only blame the guys who’s in charge of all this. They just don’t care.
Swtor is like a second job now, the grind is way too much.
One of my issues is that they say end game mod gear will be back 'soon', so everything that is being grinded now will be useless? paired with making weapons i spent money on also useless, destroying augs while upgrading (they could have at least killed the need for mk-11), the absurd slow pace you get the Aqua Matrix currenc., ...is getting hard to justify staying in, i love this game, +3700 hours in (PvE/PvP), but this is outrageous. Also also, it's nice that i don't have to go back to the terminal to get mission rewards, but i still need to stay close to it to get the weekly again - they could just make it into a menu.
I took my que from the short Onslaught story and bounced. I was excited to learn about the cross class thing but hearing its ?shorter than onslaught? I have absolutely 0 interest in returning.
I turn to preferred after 7.0 cuz its not expansion, but its terrible reduction!
I took a very long break and came back in early March. I have played this game for years, I know how to gear my chars, but I kept dying in basic story content. (Iokath, and the stupid Gemini boss) I couldn't figure out why! Apparently, my gear was scaled, companion didn't do squat and my relics don't work at all. What the hell have they done to this game? I put all my 306 gear back on and it seems to be better, but then what's the point of grinding for gear I don't even need. 🤔
I completely understand why your leaving this game I'm about to leave once my sub runs out might return in 2023 to see what's new cause why spend $15 a month or whatever you went with to either get little to no content I just think subbing to this game month after month is a waste of money its crazy how much they went downhill after Kotet expansion sometimes it feels like they don't even care about this game anymore cause of the lack of content
Edit: I might go check out World of Warcraft to see if that's any good
World Of Warcraft and Swtor travel down the same road to self destruction. It doesn't help that Blizzard is an absolute mess at the moment.
If you're disappointed or uninterested in Swtor I'd stay away from WoW as well.
@@AAJillSandwich thanks for the advice but I'll still check it out and if it doesn't work out well that ain't the only one on my list
@@yourfriendlyneighborhoodsaiyan
WoW has been going on a downward spiral every since the Panda land expansion IMO.
The community has been pretty upset as Blizzards been violating WoW in the same/similar ways that Bioware is doing with Swtor. Just to keep it short. Try it out for yourself for sure just keep that in mind.
Check out Josh Strife Hayes on RUclips. He has a lot of MMO related content in general.
TESO and OSRS might also be worth trying out same with FFO.
What do you mean 3.0 Carnage Marauder used to work differently? Sorry only joined the game in 6.0. I like Carnage, but they kinda butchered it and other Mara spec as well (choice between DCD or CC).
it was a completely different rotation and you went high alacrity, it was all about your APM. You would have to use precision before certain abilities to boost their damage. If you ever played WoW think Fury warrior.
Ferocity used to be called gore and it would give 100% armor penetration for three seconds, so you would run high alacrity to clip extra abilities into those gore windows basically.
Glad I jumped ship and left SWTOR for good back in March 2021
I agree why this game sucks... they change the game twice.... The reason why i left was fallen empire and eternal throne and the other expansions because you have to do it 2 - 4 times.... just to have master mode to unlock. They also failed star fortress putting you on veteran difficulty level just to get the rest of companions even though people don't want to que up for star fortress for more cool companions... I spent a lot of hours and still couldn't get what I need and I was a member at the time as well... Bioware are hookers scams.... the only thing that a better starwars is going to be ubisoft open world after avatar the blue people is release then a new star wars will come out six years later.... Single player... Single player is the best thing there is.... in this game industries... we get offline mode... we get no lag for offline mode... this is what a game should be.... and swtor is so expensive the frame rate keeps dropping like every other MMO...
It pains me to feel that future games and our technology is not where it should be at this moment. It pains me to see FF14, world of warcraft, maplestory, runescape... every mmorpg will always mess up eventually do we all see the pattern yet?
world of warcraft bad expansion of shadowlands a lot of veteran quitted Runescape 3 made it to world of warcraft play style... every veteran quitted, star wars the old republic they quitted for level synch on each planet (once you get raid gear it is completely useless on low level planets, Maplestory had it's own issue as well not sure what made people leave and now there is only a little bit of servers left.... Dragon Nest a new company bought it and it went terrible...
Then there’s me, a new player 1 month in. Completed all the story till KOTET and at my second month of subscription everything I was just getting used to is changed, PLUS, I was a marauder but now I’m stuck as assassin cause a bug locked me and I already have to get used with tickets, customer service. What a BS
I play WoW and covenant are dogshit. There’s always a better covenant and you have to pick the meta it if you want to get into mythic raids. The grind is more insane with “bore” ghast tower. This game is more easy and fun than WoW.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. I totally respect this veteran players opinion; however, I feel that this game caters to more casual players like myself.
I've got 38 characters on my main server, ground up to 326 on the main character I wanted to play most, now I have to swap all of it out for Columi. I also have found that my class of choice has had a major nerf. and I'm near the btm for dps from lower top parse. the amount of grinding I have to do, so I can get Rakata gear is garbage. I have 60k cheevo points and have been playing since 4.0. I'm 100% on most stuff in the game. I don't even wanna play anymore. I love the combat sent. but I choose to play Kinetic sage and now it sux.
One of my biggest issues with 7.0 is how overtuned the "apex" bosses are in HM. I was talking to a buddy the other day and he was talking about how he did Styrak the night before and i asked him how geared they were and he was like oh, mostly 330. That is a problem. You shouldn't need NIM gear to beat a HM boss. You should only need the gear HM drops in order to clear a HM boss.
Fuck swtor
They have so much HP you nearly feel drained after each fight. It's not more added mechanics or them needing to be better executed, it's just much more HP.
Really? Had some friends do it in 322-326 gear on average and they said they didn’t have too much of a problem once they told one of their friends that they need to replace him for sand bagging (nice guy, just can’t pull anything above 2k dps for whatever reason).
I've literally never heard someone say "Seven dot Oh" for 7.0 ("Seven point oh"). I lul'd.
And yes, the lack of content, just the thought that they'd drop virtually no content and think that a promise to trickle content over the next 6 months...on a 10 year anniversary no less.... I mean, it is kinda funny, right?
I've been calling it "beta 7" myself.
If you didn't leave when KOTET/KOTFE was announced, you're responsible the game is in this state.
The worst part of all is because all the gear is bound to legacy once you have a 326 set of gear you can basically just take the any of the gear tech or Force user put it in your legacy storage and then basically keep opening up the heroic gear for automatic 326 gear if you equip it on the other characters
You are so right dude. I unsubed right after this "expansion"
i generally agree but would like to add that i'm cautiously optimistic for actual content to drop over the next 12 month cycle. regarding carnage marauder, that spec has been hit with the nerf bat so hard so many times it's almost laughable. I've played marauder since vanilla and carnage was always my go to spec until 3.0... 2.10 was actually the carnage peak (it was always pretty good up to 3.0) and it briefly came back to form somewhere in 5.x.. there's 2 other viable specs for that class tho so it's not really a deal breaker esp when you consider fury is fotm in 7.0.. I really like combat styles and loadouts and think the ability trees on most specs i've played so far are actually pretty decent. some have worse choices than others. dying for a new daily area to explore tho and some more pvp maps and fps would be really nice
im also done
I have cancelled my sub for the first time in 10 years of playing because of this Update.. They have completely killed the game for me and i have moved on to Final Fantasy 14 because now i'm looking for another MMORPG to replace it with
Sounds like the average player base is dying and devs may need to move on. The smaller die-hard fan base like you and your friends may not be enough to keep the game going? Speculation only
Tbh it's been enough for the past many years. There are still many dumb asses spending thousands on the cartel market, thus keeping the skeleton crew alive
I played KOTOR and KOTOR 2 this year for the very first time. And replayed both many times. I am starved for a KOTOR 3 but this SWTOR is all their is and I am hesitant. I just want the Single player RPG experience like Kotor 1 and 2. :(
WoW geeks complain they'll only have 4 relevant new dungeons in the first season of Dragonblight (but 8 new in total), but in SWTOR ... Black Talon is still relevant and needs to be farmed in 2022 lmao. Also, we still have to farm Soa 11 years later.
It's great all content is relevant but that also gave BW an excuse not to release new ops or flashpoint at an acceptable pace.
Nailed it. This expansion is a steaming pile of turd.
Three years unsubbed and all I missed was under 10 hours worth of content. Endgame-wise only Rise of the Machines raid seemed remotely interesting.
content story-wise. The gear grind looked like a hassle to do just to be eligible to play old content. Imagine grinding for new gears just to play....Eternity Vault.
I have 87 characters, and today I have un sub because of this patch
I hate to hear it my dude but I am in the same boat as you
Im right there with ya, almost. I have like 86 toons just on one server and a few scattered on others. Since 7.0, i only play 13 of them, simply because they are all in different guilds and i do conquest on them to be considered active, and then i figure out what mats i wanna grind for and how and log in the appropriate toons day to day. and then i raid on the weekend after i've upgraded a few things, IF possible.
same pretty much i think the big problem is group finder they could have so much content on the group finder
When they said you could do things with the classes I thought "oh shit I can have my jedit world a sniper rifle or my wield a double bladed saber..... Nope....
Then I thought you could have them swap weapons.... Soldiers could wield sabers, etc.....
So what was the point of 7.0?!
I unsubbed weeks before 7.0 came out cuz I knew it would be complete trash
Turns out I was wrong - it's worse than complete trash
Did 7.0 was disappointed said ok going to play final fantasy 14
It’s basically was SOE did to Star Wars Galaxies mind you I stayed subbed right to last day of that game, I’m do same here but yeah it should have been held back released all at once was annoyed I lost attacks and have to re gear them all it’s the companions all over again when we spent time and credits stating them and they just remove that. Eh I’ll stick it out but needs work
I'll just be playing the main story on all classes and that's it then it's back to STO
bioware is garbage and needs to be bought out so swtor might have a chance to go somewhere with some random corporation
A bit not releated to the topic, but I love th character look, could tell me what pieces you have?
The game is quite a mess. The only good side for me is the combat style system. The skill tree is cool too, but when I saw it once, I though "Oh, they probably will add more ablites, maybe bring back from 4.0, and we will be able to pick between those" How naive I was...
Here you go!
right price helm
Infamous Bounty Hunter's bracers
Outer rim officer's chest piece [black black dye]
Outer rim officer's Boots
Outer rim officer's Belt
Je'daii warrior Greaves
republic protector's gloves
They don't play the game. I can say that in PvP there is no way they actually played anyways. There are classes who literally get best Protection while at the same time get upper level DPS with mid level healing while I saw in the same match a Juggernaut Vengeance get mid level DPS with 0 protection and 0 healing. That is not IMBALANCE, it is BROKEN! Un-subbed till fixed. Even then I might just stop while I actually enjoyed playing for Ten years pre-7.0.
We tried SnV last night too NiM just for Dashroode, we were on average 326 gear with full augments but we still had him at 40% HP when we reached the last point of the shield. The only 'doable' boss in NiM with non-nim gear at the moment is Nefra from Dread Fortress.
I have heard of some people being able to get him down, but I think they class stacked, if you don't mind sharing what comp did you have?
@@solosea5536 On the DPS side which is the most important we had 3x guardians and 1x vanguard. The parse was around 22k for the guardians and 19k for the vanguard.
@@Kenion2k So I think right now the strat would be to solo tank dash it can be done but its not fun, that should help to get him to 30% before the last shield then I would suggest have a sniper for bubble, that should help also everyone will need to watch their stacks to help healers, other than that it is just tuning, also your VG should have been able to do a little more than 19k at 326 fully aug'd
i've killed dashroode with a lot of different groups, and it's really not that tricky since they scaled the operation down since it was overtuned in 6.0.
For some reason (I honestly cant tell you why exactly) all groups insist on staying on the first position and just heal through it. If you have decently geared dps (324+) you kill the Boss when you reach 65~ stacks of the ticking debuff. I suppose people like to play it like that to get more damage since you dont have to move and dont get ported out.
It's really just about the heals stacking AoE Talents/Tacticals, the easiest way is just having 2 scoundrels/operatives since they are so overtuned in 7.0 its not even funny anymore.
I've also didn't have a single group that solo-tanked it, since you cant really heal a dpswt thats tanking dashroode even for 5 seconds which is required because of the aggro loss on the kick. Good luck on your runs!
@@k1rito853 Yeah its impossible to solo tank that one when he resets aggro, but yeah we did it with the usual tactics and moving + people getting ported may have missed on a few good minutes of damage.
no its becouse of push unpatience that we get quantity over quality.
ugh i don't pvp, not even rarely. i'd hope they'd know there are people who don't. i just assumed that the rewards for pvp'ing were things that benefited fighting pvp...? it's been a long time since i played and even then i never looked up at the end game stuff
It's a good video, and I agree with a lot of what you said. If it weren't for pvp and gsf I wouldn't even bother playing the game. PvP is playable, but fuck is it weird missing so many buttons.
We have to realize they development team is really small now and honestly they don't know how they should continue + bioware is more focused on new Mass Effect and new Dragon Age so that studio has really low numbers rn. And it reflects on content we getting. I am saying SWTOR is just cashgrab since KOTET ended
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I don't know why Valkorion couldn't be in some operation... it's really strange they throwing most powerful ppl in poor solo flashpoint...Echoes of Oblivion for example...total disgracee to character like Valkorion alias Vitiate, Tenebrae. And now same thing happening to malgus...We already defeated malgus like 3th time...First time in False Emperor, then again in Onslaught as rep side character and now we imprisoned him on fleet -.- It's predictable af what will come next... Sa'har will rescue Malgus potentionaly fall into dark side trough his manipulation became her new apprentice only because she wants to find her brother and literally nobody else will help him...And that new operation? R4 Anomaly? Looks very good from what i saw. But they gonna merge it with story? :D operation without story seems to me bit useless...I would say best operations they ever did was DF and DP u have daily planet, great atmosphere, 2 operations and it's mainly connected with story
I’m actually friends with a few game artists for swtor. They have a hard time designing for the game’s engine because it’s so old. Their main job is designing stuff for the cash shop,
@@apotheases Well i understand this l, that engine is trash
Good thing I don't play this for PVE content. That's boring AF. PVP is why I still play.
Swtor has a special place in my heart but EA and how the developers interact with the community has left much to be desire the game game out in 2011 but there still isn’t good communication on EA part to interact with their community. They treat as as consumers as opposed to invested community members in the game. I hope EA realizes what it is doing I would really hate for them to kill the game off.
EA has nothing to do with the state of the game, stop blaming them and giving developers like BW a free pass on their ineptitude.
this update was far from ready and bioware should have pushed EA back can this be blamed on the devs yes they are somewhat to blame but a massive amount of that blame goes to EA
I love Shadowlands stop hating
They took away or delayed the drop of too many core abilities. Meanwhile nerfing main characters and increasing all enemies especially in Heroics and flashpoints. Inquisitor is almost unplayable now. Warriors are nerfed. I’m out. It’s not fun anymore. I used to love heroics and flashpoints They’re horrible and not fun anymore.
Your way of talking reminds me of ryan upchurch. Without the "fuggin" in every sentence haha
Removing twin god fang did not by any means make the class unplayable.
Look i agree with pretty much everything you said but everyone complaining about the removal of that tactical is complaining that the spec now plays differently, combat sent was already the lowest parsing spec in the entire game and if anything it got slightly better in 7.0, only difference is that now you actually have to do a rotation unlike last expansion, no one in high end played combat sent and no one with the ability to play high end will say that being forced to perform a rotation makes the class unplayable.
Don’t get me wrong, being able to spam massacre looked pretty cool, but it got old after a while and I’d rather perform an actual rotation that does good dps vs something that just looks slightly cool. I honestly like some of the choices made for it that focus on doing more damage the more speed buffs you have on you. I still don’t think I will be playing the spec just yet, but I think what would really bring it together is to change ferocity to work like how gore used to work. Wouldn’t fix everything, but I feel it would really help the class.
@@darthjarjarbinks8953 yeah man youre right, anyone who is angry about the changes to combat is a single button spam enthusiast which is shit class design, removing that and forcing players to have some semblance of brain function while playing the game is by no means making the class unplayable.
Overall combat is doing more damage than it did in 6.0 comparatively right as we speak but its still the shittiest spec in the game lmao so no one that wants to be taken seriously as an asset to a team should be playing it now or before.
Glad they didn't ruin my lethality operative at least, been playing that spec since 3.0. Its a good thing I already liked GSF, because that's the only way I gear my characters. There's no better way than that it seems. Even then, I've played off and on since the patch (I only have time after work for a couple hours here and there) and just 2 days ago hit 326, just because of the stupid mat caps.
Gearing is easy ones you got your main character to 326 as DPS you collect crates without open them and when you switch to your second Combat Style Tank for example and than open the crates you will have 326 Tank Gear same for Healer alt
Im a new player wtf happened
we all know you'll come back
You vastly overestimate how appealing SWTOR is.
So much crying in this video!
Crying over a shitty game
@@R3dd1sh BooHoo
@@lethalrage496getting salty over people shaming your gf devs over at Biodrone Austin.
@@KLamki1 🤣🤣🤣
WOW went face roll play when panda land came out, no comparison. Good luck in deadland mmos. You won't be missed.
And SWTOR went face roll play in 4.0 don't act like you are superior. SWTOR is in a bad state WoW is not any better but at least they added new content which is more than can be said for SWTOR atm
@@solosea5536 Then quit, I'm sure you are free to play, so no loss. Good luck.
@@jimkaylor2980 this whole video is him saying he quit, the fuck are you on about?
Can I have your stuff though?
shadowlands was actaully good but took to long for new content as for this is just a joke 2 hours story and thats it forced to do heroric,s and u have to do nim raids but then u have to stil upgrade it just a joke its a grind and it sucks i quited 2 weeks after 7.0
I am confused of how you demand new content
What are you confused about? MMOs need content, BW doesn't release new content at an acceptable pace, players end up demanding new content. Playing the same 11 year old content this game launched with is not acceptable for a game they ask money for. Stop being such a BW sycophant.
I could earn a fortune by selling handkerchiefs to all those users whining about the new content. Geez, I'm getting sick of this.
No it's not perfect, but this sounds like a lot of whining to me. Don't wanna play, don't play. Why do I need to catch this monotone BS in my que?
What are you even doing in the game? Playing the 11 year old 1-50 content for the 70th time? Wow what an amazing game, we're all just haters who need to be better.
This is a "game" that is played in many games. I call this to be a downgrade because that is in effect what it is doing for me. And I'm just a casual gamer, I play the first 3 chapters of the game for the story: no endgame, no other fancy stuff. I liked the armor that I could get at level 75 - a lot of nice looking stuff and it is gone now. I don't use the game store for much more than "upgrade" stuff. Most other items have been given to me for free.
Incidentally Guild Wars 2 had a new "expansion" about the same time as SWTOR. Funny to see that they patched the game every day for about a week. Yes, bugs are part of the business plan currently and it is played everywhere.
I can understand your' "bye-bye". I have done the same with other games or I have reduced my presence for occasional returns (like Guild Wars). But I'm gone for good from Neverwinter Nights and some other MMOs. There is just a limit for what I'm willing to suffer. If the frustation level rises above my entertainment level, I'm out. I may be back to gog.com and buy some plane old single player game.
Remember all you devs out there: you make an offer but I'm the one to take it or leave it. You don't offer my wants, I'm looking elsewhere. I don't have to fund my own frustration.
Come give SWG Beyond a try if you like older SW MMO you can find footage under my profile.