I’m glad they finally fixed some of the main balancing issues of the game. Buffed Raiders oos bullying Made Valk worse than the other heroes Buffed bashes
Finally someone who also thinks Raider's stunning tap was buffed! Its ridiculous now how much stamina raider can take away, considering his OOS pressure is one of the most damaging ones with his combo zone
Cryde Golem to be fair that’s you putting yourself OOS for choosing the wrong option. Now raider can put you out of stamina himself without waiting for you to make a mistake.
listening to them talk about stamina ”nerfs” on warrior's den i just couldn't believe what i was hearing. they were clueless, pretending this was making things better...
“Lawbringer needs to be a better duelist and has a very poor opener” Ubi- make him unrewarding to play and tedious to play against? “No that’s compl...” Ubi- Done he now trashes stamina
I think his play style is more related to turttle and be passive, parry and counter the enemy, he can be really offensive with his lights attacks and followups. Have you any idea of what they should give him?
Snapple Incorporated Honestly, the character design of counter attacker should be set on fire and left in a ravine to die like an unwanted spartan infant. There should be no characters who ability to counter attack better or have more options to do that in a game that’s already bloated on defense.
Things like numbers fixes, which take literally two minutes if you know the code you’re looking for - it’s inexcusable to have to wait months for a known issue to be fixed. This is the problem with “too big to fail” devs like Ubisoft. They know they don’t have to fix it, so they don’t.
Just proves that Ubisoft creates successful games through luck. They had no idea what to do with Siege, but then it became popular. They had no idea what to do with For Honor and they still don't.
@@janzugic6798 You don't see the face that is drawn out of those shadow lines? Look closely at the fence as the raider starts to back away. It kinda looks like this c: at first but then gradually expands to look more like this ._____.
Ok, so the stam changes to most bashes in the game did very little to actually lower the obscene amount of OOS pressure characters like Warden or Conq can put out Lovely
This channel has even made a video introducing out of lock stamina regen yet people still struggle with oos on heroes like conq? Like unless you’re all playing shugoki or some shit you can just walk away from him. ruclips.net/video/g_VUzdWCVdw/видео.html
Ther's another change not mentioned: LBs and JJs side unblockable are no longer back dodgiable; if you dodge right for avaoid the damage, you will take the gb; and if you dodge earlier to avoid the gb, you will take the unblockable.
@@basedaveragejoe220 I've tested for like 20 mins with a friend. If you hit the enemy with a light or heavy, the unblockable is no longer safe to back dodge.
@@nelsonrupiza7789 You could say it's the trade-off for being a hybrid, and I believe it's only Shaolin that can deflect despite not being an assassin, as Valk's is just superior block on dodges. I don't think Shaolin really needs the buff anyway.
I would like to hear peoples opinion on if they should revert deflecting to how it was during the Alpha and i think closed Beta. Where you got a deflect by moveing your guard to the direction of the attack at the right time. This would at the very least stop i-frames from taking priority over deflect frames. Tell me what you guys think.
If you only had to move your guard then blocking, the best move in the game, would become even stronger. And s would be buffed tremendously. It would break the game utterly and no one would be able to attack.
Speaking of deflects. I’ve made some “tests” and found a little annoying thing, don’t know if it’s a feature... There’s a thing that happens to some heroes that are able to deflect, and it bothers me, specially regarding Gladiator. It happens when you deflect a hit that is followed by a hyper armour hit, such as Raider’s second hit and Hitokiri’s light after the first heavy. Peacekeeper, Gladiator, Shaman, Orochi, Shaolin and Nuxia, after deflecting and doing the attack after the deflect (being r1 for Pk, Nuxia and Shaman or r2 for Shaolin and Gladiator, both with hyper armour with Orochi), they can’t interrupt the combo with it, so they just get hit by the second hit of it. I could stand this for all of them, except for the gladiator. Peacekeeper after deflecting deals 20 flat + 15 bleed damage. Nuxia deals 40 flat damage. Shaman deals 18 flat + 16 bleed damage. Shaolin deals 25 flat damage. Orochi can deal 35 or 50 (r2, but it can be dodged) flat damage. They all deal full damage with one fast action that can’t be interrupted. Gladiator can deal, with a full impale after deflect, a total of 36 bleed damage. He can’t impale properly if the second hyper armour hit gets comboed after the first being deflected. He gets hit and the impale interrupted. So he ends up dealing a really sad 6 bleed damage. That’s not fair, the gladiator’s full impale after deflect should be a guaranteed reward for being able to deflect! This doesn’t apply to Berserker, Valkyrie and Shinobi, their actions after deflecting (or the deflect itself) can safely interrupt the hyper armour combo. Kensei’s deflect (“superior block dodge”) has the same properties of Valk’s, the incoming attack that gets deflected just bounces off. Same property doesn’t apply to the Black Prior, if he deflects a heavy attack, it just seems like a regular block, and his dodge gets interrupted.
Another very small thing is still Solaris effect isn't as bright and obnoxious as it used to be it's a lot harder to Pony emote tech with it with Lawbringer
5:58 I can agree with that change, before this patch i was able to constantly dodge BP and Conqs bashes, and right now its giving me a hard time to get the timing from BPs light into bash AGAIN
The bash "nerf" was never intended, it was the result of a change to fix bp's guaranteed oos or revenge light into bash. What they did to fix it was simply make I frames come into play 33 ms earlier. This had the intended effect of fixing the issue but made side deflects completely useless and universally nerfed all bashes. That wasn't intended so they went back and PROPERLY changed that interaction and put deflect and bashes back to how they were. Besides a bash is SUPPOSED to open you up, kinda their entire point.
ryRyan Yahoo, I agree but one thing is to open your opponent up and another is spamming the bash regardless of it's to pen you up or not, that's what I meant, I have absolutely no problem with the bash per say, the problem begins when that's all they do (mainly BP) no matter if you are a decent player or if you are simply turtleing. I know it's just a matter of getting the hang of it again.
Another major point is that stamina draining moves now don't accelerate stamina regeneration like they used to, they now halt stamina regen for a while like most other forms of stamina draining / stamina costing moves.
The stun should only have 10 or 15 stamina drain this shit it ridiculous. Or make it where top stun drains more stamina from you. Also maybe hitokiri block damage. that shit is fucking stupid, i block all three heavies and it takes 25 of my health
Yeah I thought the s were changed on dodges or something. I played vs a decent Conq player (rep 11-19 with him I think, can't remember) after the patch happened and I for the life of me couldn't dodge any of his neutral bashes anymore. I wasn't able to dodge them much before because I'm bad and I hadn't played in a week or so but I couldn't do it regardless. It was strange but this cleared things up so I'm not mad about it. 😶
Hey freeze, do you think that static gaurd characters should have there gaurd on back dodges? My dash attacks often dont connect because they have it protecting them on their retreat. I think it should be removed.
So they changed the effects of stunning tap from lowering your stamina but never putting you oos - to taking less stamina but able to put you oos very easily. Very smart ubi
@@fkkfreeze Ah see lately I've tried on several occasions with different players with a heavy feint into GB however the heavy slips through the gb window.
Great video, as always. The stamina changes don’t exactly make sense to me. You’d figure since they want the game to be faster, they’d integrate that ideology into the stamina. I think I understand them a bit, but... it’s still confusing.
Hey Freeze, a topic that I think would be worth making a video on would be sprint attacks and how some characters have been ignored while some have been buffed like hell. For instance, orochi has it awful; 17 damage, slow as hell, garbage tracking. Whereas raider has a decently fast sprint attack with fantastic tracking that does 35 damage. Just a couple examples, but I think this is worth coverage
Now his flash bangs take you out of stamina? Ig i gotta become a raider main now if i wanna enjoy the game. Its either that or let them walk all over me
3:20 too bad youll never hit that blind justice because even 500 ms lights can poke you out of it so your only chance is an oos knockdown from a parry or a light parry both decently hard to get
Why the hell do you get stamina taken away when he carries you like....the fact that his stunning thing is buffed I think they should reduce the amount of stamina gets taken away. Either that or do the same when lawbringer does his pointy push thing
15 damage attack average that could already be rolled from or walked away from and is punished for twice as much, just being able to react so late made delaying almost useless on most the delay bash heroes. You people forget there’s bad bashes in the game too and you probably use them. But there isn’t offense that is “too good” either so I couldn’t ever see a reason to keep them nerfed. Especially because having the same reaction window as blocking for something that has typically less tracking and aoe an deals blunt damage was kinda stupid. This should *help* bashes function more like opening jabs in other fighting games. But out of lock stamina regen and evasion still is really really easy to utilize and can easily shift your view of conq to oppressive bash hero to what he actually is, option select man.
@@yungmalaria ur probably just mad bcs ur facvourite basher got nerfed, ur main is 100% Conqu or the good old BP :D aahhahaha, pls dont get offended from this .....
Nova Ferrell yeah, he can actually delay the light from any direction while she has to go top for a 400ms attack, so someone ok at the game will just switch to top guard after any move
About two weekends ago I played against a shaman in Dominion that was salty I killed them with a side light as lawbringer while they were back-stancing. (Which was a total read on my part, the guy loved to spam that crap) He said "that was bullsh***" and I said "Well I mean, lawbro is supposed to have some range at the end of the day" to which he replied "Oh yeah lawbringer's supposed to have everything cuz MUH POLE AXE". Keep in mind that this guy would always go for bleeds in fights and proceed to leap into bite after bite until it landed. Anyway, this encounter was the first time my eyes were opened to a select group of people that think lawbringer has everything now. Now whether that is or isn't the case is up for you to decide, but as a lb main I can tell you that I'm smiling right now thinking of that salty shaman getting big mad about lawbro's stamina changes.
Raided changes are...weird... Look, okay, nerf to dodge gb is fine after his buff. I was bit sad as raided main, but that was completly justified. But THIS stamina change is just...what? Why?
We waited a long while for these changes and they still somehow messed up raider and lawbringer animations. Can't wait for feint changes that will somehow ruin the guard change.
I feel like they need to tune numbers down? Like overall damage for everyone's light attacks and stamina drain. Make the slowest light attack a light finisher with 600 frames, but the chains cant be doing enough damage to where it makes throwing a heavy into the combo or from neutral not deemed "efficient" or a "safe." Lights should be jabs, attacks that catch your opponent lackin but wont knock them out unless they take a full 15 seconds of unanswered hits. Heavies should be your slugs and finishers the haymakers. Give me some incentive to hit these finishers. I REALLY DIG that LB does stamina damage on the top heavy. BUT 80 stamina drain? When his damn bash drains too??? Cmon Ubi
Elijah Wilson Yes, on regular bashes and wall splats I think it could be fair. Of course there are exceptions: Centurion’s punches after gb can not deal 30 damage each, maybe 10 per punch. Maybe Raider’s knee should not drain stamina, should only stun, or deal 10 stamina damage. If stampede charge dealt 30 stam damage, wall splat dealt 50, and 10 from the stun knee it would be an 80 clean stamina damage, counting in stunning tap Raider would be still dangerous but not THAT MUCH.
lol i like dragons So, to start, calm your fucking self down and don’t write being a total dick head. Instead of insulting explain: why the fuck my suggestion shall not have sense? Seriously, numbers for the stamina damage right now are a bit fucked up, and they need a serious nerf. It’s outstanding that Valk’s third shield light deals 80 fucking stamina drain, since that’s an attack that can wall splat you. 50 on Lawbringer’s top heavy is too much, but to me could be fairer: imagine getting wall splatted and getting a top heavy by lawdaddy, that’s a ton of stamina gone. 60 stamina drain on a gb throw by Warlord, my main, is still a lot, considering he can headbutt you right after that wall splat instead of going for the standard side heavy. Raider’s stampede charge deals 44 stamina drain, added the guaranteed stunning tap deals another 30. If every move or attack that deals stamina damage dealt something like 30 with the exemptions of the Centurion’s light after gb and the Raider’s knee, stampede charge stunning tap combo would deal 60 damage total (30+30), and if wall splat dealt something like 40, the stunning tap comboed would still result in a 70. Yeah probably 50 for a wall splat could be too much, maybe if that was 40 or 30 for every hero it could still be not so fair for the Raider. Maybe they should give us some kind of “immunity”, doing that if some hero wall splats you, can’t be dealt to you additional stamina drain for the three seconds right after the wall splat?
lol i like dragons You know, probably a solid solution would just be: Any regular attack that shall drain stamina (centurion regular and charged punch, kick, Valk’s shield bash, others bashes and shoves and stunning tap, lawbro top heavies) should drain 30 or 20 , wall splats should drain 40 or 30 an the fucking stampede charge and crushing charge (Warlord) probably should NOT drain stamina, but just be what it is: a longer throw, and let that stamina being drained by wall splats, bashes, parries and parry counters. Would buffing stamina regen a solution?
Yesterday I was playing duels against a Rep 0 Level 7 Black Prior and of course all he used was shield bash, and ye sure a BP spamming shield bash is annoying, but whenever someone literally ONLY uses shield bash and NOTHING ELSE it’s easy to predict and dodge, that was what I thought until after Update 2.10 and either my game was lagging rly hard (Which I doubt since it was around my normal latency which is like 30-50) But I LITERALLY could not dodge the BP’s shield bash for the life of me. I was playing Warden and I swear of my life I was pressing dodge at the right time, but his shield bash just kept on hitting me. I would say he probably bashed me almost 25 times in the whole match, and I probably dodged his 5 bash times, and I was definitely not pressing dodge to late, so idk wtf Ubisoft did, but I’m starting to think they may have literally just made BP broken, and after watching this video it’s really starting to look like For Honors dev team is making some big fuck ups ever since the Raider rework
how can people say raider didn't get nerfed? besides stunning tabs damage reduction he lost one of his signature moves the "dodge gb". but people still be like "oh no can't deal with a 400ms attack which just can come from one direction and can't be done without a dodge, heavy or zone before" while there are other heros out there who can do 400ms from any direction just like that. some people get seriously mad cuz they can't deal with new stuff instantaneously.
I was feeling that bash buff, I knew I was getting caught by more BP bashes. And does anyone else actually feel like you're going OOS more often now? I know they didn't say they changed normal stamina but honestly my stamina is completely disappearing since the patch in every fight. Maybe paranoia, maybe it's legit. I play LB, and yes I know his stamina was always trash. But it really feels like I have one or two hits blocked and I'm OOS. Every single time I get parried I seem to go OOS too, which is an affect of his stamina consumption but it feels more exaggerated now. So I think what I'm trying to say is. I feel like the stamina you lose when you're parried or if your attack is blocked has been increased.
you can check for yourself. Hit someone in training mode and look at that stamina value. Now if someone blocks that attack it's a 2.5 multiplier. And if someone parries it, it's a multiplier of 7.
@@placeholder2617 you should be happy that most of them are bad because facing a good raider is alot worse than a good conq or bp since raider's skill ceiling is wayyy higher
I personally find set stamina damage to be far better than putting someone's stamina at a set amount, period. I'm glad the raider changes were put in place as far as stamina goes, as being out of stamina for failing a parry after being stunning tapped isn't crazy until you remember how dodge into stunning tap is a really good dodge attack. It's too much pressure to access from a strong defensive tool. And I personally think 80 stamina damage is reasonable to give valk side light finishers given their current state - and difficulty to access, as well as perform successfully. Frankly I'm not very happy with the state of valk overall but if they stick with her latest rework then she deserves what she got.
When raider carrying you on his shoulder drains Stam but having a pole axe impaling ur lungs and shoving you for an extended period of time let's you regain stam... Nice job guys 😎
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Ah hell yeah stamina changes! Maybe now my lawbringer won't be so out of sta--
The more that Bricky wants Lawdaddy buffs... the more that he wills Ubi to make weird decisions.
Na he's got asthma forever
I honestly don't know why they dont just increase the stamina pool of ALL characters, and just see how it goes.
It can't be that difficult a change.
@@fkkfreeze literally changing one value for every hero, unless this game's coding is actual feces
Rodmar the devs probably are just lazy
Mmm lovely, I love not being able to attack, makes the game really fun.
@@cheemborg1301 wall splat?
I’m glad they finally fixed some of the main balancing issues of the game.
Buffed Raiders oos bullying
Made Valk worse than the other heroes
Buffed bashes
Nice.
*Exactly what we wanted*
*crying in centurion*
@@dabangtanboi1144 *hoc incrēdibile non est*
@@avzarathustra6164 yes
Raider got nerfed, Now he can deal 110 stam damage instead of 100...
By Ubisoft
Sounds like Ubisoft.
Raider: *Gets more buffs*
Lawbringer: "What about m-" *runs out of stamina*
*Heavy breathing*
Finally someone who also thinks Raider's stunning tap was buffed! Its ridiculous now how much stamina raider can take away, considering his OOS pressure is one of the most damaging ones with his combo zone
Dani Usagi before, raider could do one tap, then if the opponent missed a parry, instantly get OOS. Now, it is atleast gradual.
@@crydegolem4135 now it isnt much different, since he still drains a lot of stamina if you miss a parry after a stunning tap
Cryde Golem to be fair that’s you putting yourself OOS for choosing the wrong option.
Now raider can put you out of stamina himself without waiting for you to make a mistake.
listening to them talk about stamina ”nerfs” on warrior's den i just couldn't believe what i was hearing. they were clueless, pretending this was making things better...
@@DaniUsagi well, at least you are not automatically out of stamina if you fail a parry after 1 tap
Seems like the community is pretty upset with how stunning tap works... let’s *buff* it!
Yes ! and let’s nerf nobushi later ,they are gonna love it !
Jay Middleton they actually seem to think it's a nerf XD
Let's get more frequently OOS against raider yes !!!!!
Happy
Dont worry at least they buffed bashes
@@Sandlchi time to main BP
@@Sandlchi Great, can Orochi get some of that? :D No? D: Okay. :(
At least he wont be getting as many GB's.
Idk, before, if you got tapped once by raider, then tried parrying and missed, you already become OOS. Atleast now it isn’t near instant.
Nobody:
KingMisty: 5:32
Community: Can you please nerf stunning tap
Ubisoft: *Well yes, but actually no*
“Lawbringer needs to be a better duelist and has a very poor opener”
Ubi- make him unrewarding to play and tedious to play against?
“No that’s compl...”
Ubi- Done he now trashes stamina
I think his play style is more related to turttle and be passive, parry and counter the enemy, he can be really offensive with his lights attacks and followups.
Have you any idea of what they should give him?
diego ortega True. He's literally labeled as "counter-attacker". Still, it'd be kinda stupid if he had no decent openers.
@@nocks617 Yeah youre right at least he have fast attacks
Snapple Incorporated Honestly, the character design of counter attacker should be set on fire and left in a ravine to die like an unwanted spartan infant. There should be no characters who ability to counter attack better or have more options to do that in a game that’s already bloated on defense.
Cut them some slack? We've been doing that since 2017. Thanks for the detail, as always.
cut them some slack? LOL they could have done all of this bug fixing shit in the years that it has been released. ubi doesnt deserve some slack.
they are professionals that are paid for their job, what good is a plumber if all his pipes leak?
@@kailius790 understandable conclusion
Things like numbers fixes, which take literally two minutes if you know the code you’re looking for - it’s inexcusable to have to wait months for a known issue to be fixed.
This is the problem with “too big to fail” devs like Ubisoft. They know they don’t have to fix it, so they don’t.
JMW R yeah idk why people defend the devs at this point
Just proves that Ubisoft creates successful games through luck. They had no idea what to do with Siege, but then it became popular. They had no idea what to do with For Honor and they still don't.
This update show that For honor really need a test server like R6 siege
On the right of raider 0:31
._______.
better than clipping with the camera
Lmao I never even thought about looking at that stuff before. Thank you for the unexpected laugh.
@@cksupreme i dont understand what is funny about that
@@janzugic6798 You don't see the face that is drawn out of those shadow lines? Look closely at the fence as the raider starts to back away. It kinda looks like this c: at first but then gradually expands to look more like this ._____.
Ok, so the stam changes to most bashes in the game did very little to actually lower the obscene amount of OOS pressure characters like Warden or Conq can put out
Lovely
Talking about the cassady vid or is youtube trippin for me right now?
Even better it nerfed warlord!!!
@@stigandrthewarlord1871 And valkyrie 😏
This channel has even made a video introducing out of lock stamina regen yet people still struggle with oos on heroes like conq?
Like unless you’re all playing shugoki or some shit you can just walk away from him.
ruclips.net/video/g_VUzdWCVdw/видео.html
LB top UB looks different when doing shove + light + top ub, not sure if its slower or the animation is different :/
there seem to be quite a few animation and effect changes.
it'll be a pain to tell for sure =/
@@fkkfreeze LB's unblockables have definitely changed, they look more fluid
@@propastypete1958 yea I'd say his unblockable feints are more believable
It’s almost looks like they intended for a pommel strike to go in place there the way he kinda lifts his weapon.
I like how raider picks up a grown man, covered in armour, and sprints, but you're the one that loses stamina :/
On 0:32 there's a smiley face in the wooden fence
Ermes Vily guess the fence is a fan of raider bullying people
I was saying from a very time they anounced stamina drain changes on raider, 30-35 on st is overclocked
all the values are kinda bonkers lol
@@Carsu12 they are questionable. But this is broken
Ther's another change not mentioned: LBs and JJs side unblockable are no longer back dodgiable; if you dodge right for avaoid the damage, you will take the gb; and if you dodge earlier to avoid the gb, you will take the unblockable.
Ass a Jj mein I'm happi
I normally roll so no worries
Is this confirmed? is a major buff for lb
@@basedaveragejoe220 I've tested for like 20 mins with a friend. If you hit the enemy with a light or heavy, the unblockable is no longer safe to back dodge.
Vinnik you already couldn't back dodge it without it tracking you. I talk from experience since i've got hit by it countless times
Deflects are so much easier now!!!😀
They feel just as hard for me 😔
Nig Ward i started trying to deflect after the changes, so it's kind of a buff to me... but these bashes will be a pain in the as
now they just need to be actually usefull!
There consistent but the window to do side deflects is soo small that it's more reliable to parry.
If they can't easily implement overlapping deflect and s, it must really be some spaghetti code, heck they could make Assassins have a unique dodge
I was just thinking about this.
That would work, but they would still have to do something about the hybrids that can deflect.
@@nelsonrupiza7789 You could say it's the trade-off for being a hybrid, and I believe it's only Shaolin that can deflect despite not being an assassin, as Valk's is just superior block on dodges. I don't think Shaolin really needs the buff anyway.
I have a question did they changed Glass reflex guard?
they did not
freeze thank you
You mean Glad? If so that's a shame they didnt normalize guard
Fix one problem and another one arises. Ubisoft in a nutshell.
wait if s start as they used to then can bp get a bash on blocked light or crushing counter?
Oh. Well shit.
KudiZ i'll ask the next bp i meet on pc
idk i tested it agaits a bot and it wasnt guaranteed but those are bots so idk how it is againts normal players
@@konieczny3576 probably isn't then
Thanks for the info freeze
Ubi: you know that thing called stamina.... ya good luck having any that
this won't make me reinstall the game ... raider still bullshit and the balance is extremly inconsistent...
You forgot the one good part about he patch. They removed raiders side dodge gb
Jens Marino muscle memory, why you gotta do this to me
I would like to hear peoples opinion on if they should revert deflecting to how it was during the Alpha and i think closed Beta. Where you got a deflect by moveing your guard to the direction of the attack at the right time. This would at the very least stop i-frames from taking priority over deflect frames. Tell me what you guys think.
If you only had to move your guard then blocking, the best move in the game, would become even stronger. And s would be buffed tremendously. It would break the game utterly and no one would be able to attack.
With the dodge s being reverted, does BP get a confirmed shieldbash after any light again?
No you can still dodge it
Speaking of deflects. I’ve made some “tests” and found a little annoying thing, don’t know if it’s a feature...
There’s a thing that happens to some heroes that are able to deflect, and it bothers me, specially regarding Gladiator.
It happens when you deflect a hit that is followed by a hyper armour hit, such as Raider’s second hit and Hitokiri’s light after the first heavy.
Peacekeeper, Gladiator, Shaman, Orochi, Shaolin and Nuxia, after deflecting and doing the attack after the deflect (being r1 for Pk, Nuxia and Shaman or r2 for Shaolin and Gladiator, both with hyper armour with Orochi), they can’t interrupt the combo with it, so they just get hit by the second hit of it.
I could stand this for all of them, except for the gladiator.
Peacekeeper after deflecting deals 20 flat + 15 bleed damage.
Nuxia deals 40 flat damage.
Shaman deals 18 flat + 16 bleed damage.
Shaolin deals 25 flat damage.
Orochi can deal 35 or 50 (r2, but it can be dodged) flat damage.
They all deal full damage with one fast action that can’t be interrupted.
Gladiator can deal, with a full impale after deflect, a total of 36 bleed damage.
He can’t impale properly if the second hyper armour hit gets comboed after the first being deflected. He gets hit and the impale interrupted. So he ends up dealing a really sad 6 bleed damage.
That’s not fair, the gladiator’s full impale after deflect should be a guaranteed reward for being able to deflect!
This doesn’t apply to Berserker, Valkyrie and Shinobi, their actions after deflecting (or the deflect itself) can safely interrupt the hyper armour combo.
Kensei’s deflect (“superior block dodge”) has the same properties of Valk’s, the incoming attack that gets deflected just bounces off.
Same property doesn’t apply to the Black Prior, if he deflects a heavy attack, it just seems like a regular block, and his dodge gets interrupted.
Ty for proper work bro, salutations
The video was helpful indeed, now I know I can safely move on to other games til next major patch hits. Thanks freeze and bon voyage.
Another very small thing is still Solaris effect isn't as bright and obnoxious as it used to be it's a lot harder to Pony emote tech with it with Lawbringer
5:58 I can agree with that change, before this patch i was able to constantly dodge BP and Conqs bashes, and right now its giving me a hard time to get the timing from BPs light into bash AGAIN
The bash "nerf" was never intended, it was the result of a change to fix bp's guaranteed oos or revenge light into bash. What they did to fix it was simply make I frames come into play 33 ms earlier. This had the intended effect of fixing the issue but made side deflects completely useless and universally nerfed all bashes. That wasn't intended so they went back and PROPERLY changed that interaction and put deflect and bashes back to how they were. Besides a bash is SUPPOSED to open you up, kinda their entire point.
ryRyan Yahoo, I agree but one thing is to open your opponent up and another is spamming the bash regardless of it's to pen you up or not, that's what I meant, I have absolutely no problem with the bash per say, the problem begins when that's all they do (mainly BP) no matter if you are a decent player or if you are simply turtleing. I know it's just a matter of getting the hang of it again.
There is also a new bug that makes it so you cannot pause in player vs bot matches like you used to be able to. I really hope they fix that.
Appreciate your work man
So they let warlord have his crest on his shield but didn’t make sure it worked?
So now are we able to dodge bash spams by seeing and reflecting indicator?!?
no the s start later now which means its harder to dodge bashes on reaction
@@bophadesknutz7798 so motherfuckers will spam bash better hq
Another major point is that stamina draining moves now don't accelerate stamina regeneration like they used to, they now halt stamina regen for a while like most other forms of stamina draining / stamina costing moves.
its a buff and guess what the casual comm asked for it, cheered when the news came down that it was coming. Let them cry in their own mistakes.
literally nobody after the rework: buff raider. So why do you assume anyone did ask for that?
Jack Worthing they didn’t ask for it to be a buff but wanted flat stamina damage instead of a hard set. Thinking it would be a nerf. Surprise.
@@shanehunt3019 Well ubi could have made flat numbers which wouldnt result in a buff and it would have been fine, no?
The stun should only have 10 or 15 stamina drain this shit it ridiculous. Or make it where top stun drains more stamina from you. Also maybe hitokiri block damage. that shit is fucking stupid, i block all three heavies and it takes 25 of my health
great video once again !!
Isn't the mid-season patch supposed to drop with seasonal event ?
yeah it is not the mid-season
Now everything make sense that’s why I defeat a Valk yesterday
Yeah I thought the s were changed on dodges or something. I played vs a decent Conq player (rep 11-19 with him I think, can't remember) after the patch happened and I for the life of me couldn't dodge any of his neutral bashes anymore. I wasn't able to dodge them much before because I'm bad and I hadn't played in a week or so but I couldn't do it regardless. It was strange but this cleared things up so I'm not mad about it. 😶
im a rep 70 conq and my neutral bash has been dodged multiple times today ;) It is possible
@@divinEKonstanT he didnt say it was impossible he said that the timing is different. Or was it to flex that you have a rep 70 conq?
@@divinEKonstanT Ok I guess I'm just bad, thanks for confirming :)
@@divinEKonstanT weird flex but okie
Paladin Ravis stop being cocky. I'm a rep 5 conq and according to hearthstone, rank 5 is better than 70
Lol of course Valkyrie gets the short end of the stick, my poor girl.
Hey freeze, do you think that static gaurd characters should have there gaurd on back dodges? My dash attacks often dont connect because they have it protecting them on their retreat. I think it should be removed.
The real question is why cant deflect frames also count as s? Why cant it dodge if its a bash and deflect if its an attack?
it counts as a block...
so unblockables would just mow through your deflect frames.
@@fkkfreeze do you know of a way to change this? Maybe a unique dodge for assassin's?
I don't know what's possible for them and what isn't.
I'm just guessing that that's the problem.
Has it been released those patches I mean
So they changed the effects of stunning tap from lowering your stamina but never putting you oos - to taking less stamina but able to put you oos very easily. Very smart ubi
*Sad mortem.... :(*
Also, is it just me, or has the hitbox for Raider's stunning tap been increased?
Hey Freeze, I've noticed the Hitokiri has a tight gb vulnerability window on heavy input. Have you ever come across this?
she has a 400ms GB vulnerability on the heavies.
@@fkkfreeze Ah see lately I've tried on several occasions with different players with a heavy feint into GB however the heavy slips through the gb window.
Thanks for the info mate does anyone know if we r getting a special event this season like vortiger got
Grim Reaper each season gets one
Dominic Brunsmeier thanks just haven’t heard anything about one yet this season thought it might have come with this patch
2 nerfs to warlord and a raider buff on stamina bullying exactly what the game needed
I don't play Warlord, but i feel your pain
I was guard broken out of a BP zone bash mid bash yesterday. Not sure if it was lag or a bug in the game or if that’s supposed to be allowed?
yes, BP's zone has 400ms of GB vulnerability.
Great video, as always.
The stamina changes don’t exactly make sense to me. You’d figure since they want the game to be faster, they’d integrate that ideology into the stamina. I think I understand them a bit, but... it’s still confusing.
All the minions went to art school and now have randomized patterns on their shields
Hey Freeze, a topic that I think would be worth making a video on would be sprint attacks and how some characters have been ignored while some have been buffed like hell.
For instance, orochi has it awful; 17 damage, slow as hell, garbage tracking.
Whereas raider has a decently fast sprint attack with fantastic tracking that does 35 damage.
Just a couple examples, but I think this is worth coverage
Thresher C88 you can also do the stampede charge and literally turn around someone for a second before grabbing them.
Glads guars mode didn't get fixed? Oh mah gahh
Wow man. This game just got harder. Ty freeze I appriciate ur videos
Hey Ubisoft did a good job reeling people in from their show at E3 last year, wonder what they're gonna do for this one.
Didn’t they also remove/nerf rushing guardbreak
Yes they did remove his rushing gb
Now his flash bangs take you out of stamina? Ig i gotta become a raider main now if i wanna enjoy the game. Its either that or let them walk all over me
3:20 too bad youll never hit that blind justice because even 500 ms lights can poke you out of it so your only chance is an oos knockdown from a parry or a light parry both decently hard to get
for real I don't want to get interrupted by a PK zone
Dont forget Orochi lights, shaolin and LB top lights and berzerker lights
@@bulwark7840 lol so true
Why the hell do you get stamina taken away when he carries you like....the fact that his stunning thing is buffed I think they should reduce the amount of stamina gets taken away. Either that or do the same when lawbringer does his pointy push thing
So why do they hate Warlord so much?
I am finished playing this game 2 years later.....
Another great set of changes for those who play PK, can we already call her abandonware? Might help ease the pain
Meaning indirectly nerfing her? Or buffing her?
@@damidge700 She has a very small stamina pool so any buffs to stamina damage to other characters directly affects her negatively
@@ZOMGerms oh yeah, I play a lot of PK, I just wasnt sure whether you were bei g sarcastic or not with your original comment :)
I'd rather not side deflect than getting bashed all day, and those raider animations are so fucked,ubi what have you done?!
My boi glad still gets shafted
Austin Stone truly sad
Yup. Im sure its not hard. Just buff his reflex guard ;-;
at least he didn't get nerfed.
Mr. Sister-Fister indirectly he got nerfed.
@@stevene8873 how so?
So the mid-season patch was a raider nerf, except not really.
I wish shugoki grab would drain all stamina...
Shut up, please
Smh, i think they need to split the two damages. Im fine with being able to attack stamina but i think it should be one or the other, not both.
What's up all my Xbox bois
Good what about you
Remember when everyone wanted cent nerfed?
Peperidge farm remembers
Cancer they could bring back the old cent and nobody would care. 99% of the players can dodge any of his bash on reaction
Zacha Riz yup
@@zachariz1490 oh the times we live in
NOOOOO why did they buff bashes ..... it was perfectly balanced after the nerfs... :/
15 damage attack average that could already be rolled from or walked away from and is punished for twice as much, just being able to react so late made delaying almost useless on most the delay bash heroes. You people forget there’s bad bashes in the game too and you probably use them. But there isn’t offense that is “too good” either so I couldn’t ever see a reason to keep them nerfed. Especially because having the same reaction window as blocking for something that has typically less tracking and aoe an deals blunt damage was kinda stupid. This should *help* bashes function more like opening jabs in other fighting games.
But out of lock stamina regen and evasion still is really really easy to utilize and can easily shift your view of conq to oppressive bash hero to what he actually is, option select man.
@@yungmalaria ur probably just mad bcs ur facvourite basher got nerfed, ur main is 100% Conqu or the good old BP :D aahhahaha, pls dont get offended from this .....
UVG DE Warlord and Tiandi main, that’s why I mentioned there’s bad bash heroes ya know.
:/
@@yungmalaria ahahahaahhaaahhahaha
@@yungmalaria cheers man
Valk finally got a buff, it ain’t munch but it’s something
I don't know what they did but I can now deal with raiders stunning tap much easier than before.
The timing is exactly the same. They did nothing. You just got better
Lawbringers animations changed
Well... off to play kensei now
So basically Valk got a nerf since outside of light spam her only real pressure tool is the shield tackle
And even that is unreliable
@@damidge700 yeah her rework wasn't even the best to begin with they just made her lights more spammable
Keith J even orochi has better light spam than her
@@zachariz1490 wrong
Nova Ferrell yeah, he can actually delay the light from any direction while she has to go top for a 400ms attack, so someone ok at the game will just switch to top guard after any move
About two weekends ago I played against a shaman in Dominion that was salty I killed them with a side light as lawbringer while they were back-stancing. (Which was a total read on my part, the guy loved to spam that crap) He said "that was bullsh***" and I said "Well I mean, lawbro is supposed to have some range at the end of the day" to which he replied "Oh yeah lawbringer's supposed to have everything cuz MUH POLE AXE". Keep in mind that this guy would always go for bleeds in fights and proceed to leap into bite after bite until it landed.
Anyway, this encounter was the first time my eyes were opened to a select group of people that think lawbringer has everything now. Now whether that is or isn't the case is up for you to decide, but as a lb main I can tell you that I'm smiling right now thinking of that salty shaman getting big mad about lawbro's stamina changes.
What is back-stancing
@@wyvern5890 It's an umbrella term for any evasive ability that is accessed by holding your left joystick down.
Raided changes are...weird...
Look, okay, nerf to dodge gb is fine after his buff. I was bit sad as raided main, but that was completly justified.
But THIS stamina change is just...what? Why?
i wonder where cent stands with these stamina changes. i guess might as well delete him from the game now
@@acid1787 Maybe his gb bash drains 30 30 60 now lol
We waited a long while for these changes and they still somehow messed up raider and lawbringer animations. Can't wait for feint changes that will somehow ruin the guard change.
I feel like they need to tune numbers down? Like overall damage for everyone's light attacks and stamina drain. Make the slowest light attack a light finisher with 600 frames, but the chains cant be doing enough damage to where it makes throwing a heavy into the combo or from neutral not deemed "efficient" or a "safe."
Lights should be jabs, attacks that catch your opponent lackin but wont knock them out unless they take a full 15 seconds of unanswered hits.
Heavies should be your slugs and finishers the haymakers. Give me some incentive to hit these finishers. I REALLY DIG that LB does stamina damage on the top heavy. BUT 80 stamina drain? When his damn bash drains too??? Cmon Ubi
No light attacks should be 600ms. None
Just looking at those repetitive bashes gave me PTSD
To me the maximum limit for an attack to drain stamina should just be 30 for every hero, and wall splatting being 50.
Wolf Lord Hardahat sounds fair
Maybe they should balance all hero's stamina drain to do the same amount?
Elijah Wilson Yes, on regular bashes and wall splats I think it could be fair. Of course there are exceptions: Centurion’s punches after gb can not deal 30 damage each, maybe 10 per punch.
Maybe Raider’s knee should not drain stamina, should only stun, or deal 10 stamina damage. If stampede charge dealt 30 stam damage, wall splat dealt 50, and 10 from the stun knee it would be an 80 clean stamina damage, counting in stunning tap Raider would be still dangerous but not THAT MUCH.
lol i like dragons
So, to start, calm your fucking self down and don’t write being a total dick head.
Instead of insulting explain:
why the fuck my suggestion shall not have sense? Seriously, numbers for the stamina damage right now are a bit fucked up, and they need a serious nerf.
It’s outstanding that Valk’s third shield light deals 80 fucking stamina drain, since that’s an attack that can wall splat you.
50 on Lawbringer’s top heavy is too much, but to me could be fairer: imagine getting wall splatted and getting a top heavy by lawdaddy, that’s a ton of stamina gone.
60 stamina drain on a gb throw by Warlord, my main, is still a lot, considering he can headbutt you right after that wall splat instead of going for the standard side heavy.
Raider’s stampede charge deals 44 stamina drain, added the guaranteed stunning tap deals another 30.
If every move or attack that deals stamina damage dealt something like 30 with the exemptions of the Centurion’s light after gb and the Raider’s knee, stampede charge stunning tap combo would deal 60 damage total (30+30), and if wall splat dealt something like 40, the stunning tap comboed would still result in a 70.
Yeah probably 50 for a wall splat could be too much, maybe if that was 40 or 30 for every hero it could still be not so fair for the Raider.
Maybe they should give us some kind of “immunity”, doing that if some hero wall splats you, can’t be dealt to you additional stamina drain for the three seconds right after the wall splat?
lol i like dragons
You know, probably a solid solution would just be:
Any regular attack that shall drain stamina (centurion regular and charged punch, kick, Valk’s shield bash, others bashes and shoves and stunning tap, lawbro top heavies) should drain 30 or 20 , wall splats should drain 40 or 30 an the fucking stampede charge and crushing charge (Warlord) probably should NOT drain stamina, but just be what it is: a longer throw, and let that stamina being drained by wall splats, bashes, parries and parry counters.
Would buffing stamina regen a solution?
Yesterday I was playing duels against a Rep 0 Level 7 Black Prior and of course all he used was shield bash, and ye sure a BP spamming shield bash is annoying, but whenever someone literally ONLY uses shield bash and NOTHING ELSE it’s easy to predict and dodge, that was what I thought until after Update 2.10 and either my game was lagging rly hard (Which I doubt since it was around my normal latency which is like 30-50) But I LITERALLY could not dodge the BP’s shield bash for the life of me. I was playing Warden and I swear of my life I was pressing dodge at the right time, but his shield bash just kept on hitting me. I would say he probably bashed me almost 25 times in the whole match, and I probably dodged his 5 bash times, and I was definitely not pressing dodge to late, so idk wtf Ubisoft did, but I’m starting to think they may have literally just made BP broken, and after watching this video it’s really starting to look like For Honors dev team is making some big fuck ups ever since the Raider rework
how can people say raider didn't get nerfed? besides stunning tabs damage reduction he lost one of his signature moves the "dodge gb". but people still be like "oh no can't deal with a 400ms attack which just can come from one direction and can't be done without a dodge, heavy or zone before" while there are other heros out there who can do 400ms from any direction just like that. some people get seriously mad cuz they can't deal with new stuff instantaneously.
wut it wasn't mid-season patch
Ubisoft: The Kings of shooting themselves in the foot.
new reflects changes gimme god tier orochi deflects
I was feeling that bash buff, I knew I was getting caught by more BP bashes.
And does anyone else actually feel like you're going OOS more often now? I know they didn't say they changed normal stamina but honestly my stamina is completely disappearing since the patch in every fight. Maybe paranoia, maybe it's legit. I play LB, and yes I know his stamina was always trash. But it really feels like I have one or two hits blocked and I'm OOS. Every single time I get parried I seem to go OOS too, which is an affect of his stamina consumption but it feels more exaggerated now.
So I think what I'm trying to say is. I feel like the stamina you lose when you're parried or if your attack is blocked has been increased.
you can check for yourself.
Hit someone in training mode and look at that stamina value.
Now if someone blocks that attack it's a 2.5 multiplier.
And if someone parries it, it's a multiplier of 7.
@@fkkfreeze Thanks for the info, I will try it out. Man that is a high stamina punish on block for a game that wants offense to stay up. >_>
I quit. Staying in OOS pretty much all the time isn't fun.
only against raider so fret not
@@Glueman_TM and everyone pretty much plays raider because even an idiot/noob can pick him up and do decent
@@placeholder2617 you should be happy that most of them are bad because facing a good raider is alot worse than a good conq or bp since raider's skill ceiling is wayyy higher
I personally find set stamina damage to be far better than putting someone's stamina at a set amount, period. I'm glad the raider changes were put in place as far as stamina goes, as being out of stamina for failing a parry after being stunning tapped isn't crazy until you remember how dodge into stunning tap is a really good dodge attack. It's too much pressure to access from a strong defensive tool.
And I personally think 80 stamina damage is reasonable to give valk side light finishers given their current state - and difficulty to access, as well as perform successfully. Frankly I'm not very happy with the state of valk overall but if they stick with her latest rework then she deserves what she got.
Lawbro mains laugh quietly
When raider carrying you on his shoulder drains Stam but having a pole axe impaling ur lungs and shoving you for an extended period of time let's you regain stam... Nice job guys 😎
Its "competitive"
Fuck fun and realism, that was thrown out long ago