The original function of fi is too make decisions based on the emotions that have been understood. Fi people need to always understand their emotions because it gives clarity on what's right or wrong! The more clear we understand our emotions the more moral our decisions become. Obviously fi has been misunderstood. Fi is all about exploring emotions to understand them with clarity because that will help make better decisions in life because our identity is more clear when we understand the deepest feelings! This is how I feel about it! 😁 I explore my emotions every day and every moment otherwise I become selfish until I no longer see what's wrong with breaking certain rules that are good for all. That's why ne and se heros break so much rules that are good for them and others.
But emotions are harder to understand. Iam much better when i get sudden access to my ti or te but unfortunately it doesn't stay long. I don't want this emotional life and badly want simple logical life. Iam cursed.
Never been a big fan of that supposed distinction - group values vs individual values is far more clear - and that distinction is not really automatic inherent and clear in those terms whatsoever
Soo true about the Fi-hero silently judging! However, I've noticed that I can change my negative opinion of someone to a positive very fast if they do something to deserve it, even if I've disliked them for some time. Still judging ofc but in a very flexible way haha. I think that is important to add to the picture. /INFP
My goodness. There is so much to know...I just want to know it all already. It's killing me that I'm only able to watch this while my kids are asleep. Not enough time
As an Enfp I think that my Fi makes me have strong values and I know what’s is good or bad. But my Ne makes me understand that my view or values are just a possibility that can evolve and I’m always curious to know what other people think or feel about something and why they think it’s true or false or good or bad because of Ne. I’m open to other views , not necessarily that I’ll accept them but I like hearing them. So I think Fi will manifest differently, depending where it’s stacked and how you develop your other functions.
This is my qualm with English as a language. As an Asian person who speaks 5 other languages plus English, your "one thing means another" and "this particular thing actually means the opposite" is nightmarish to explain to my Japanese students who are learning English as a second language. A lot of our dialects and languages can't support the concepts of sarcasms, irony or even satire- and sometimes the direct translation robs the essence of the expressions. - INTP
This why I, an INFJ, really like English. It has layers and nuances to allow me to articulate myself more precisely. I love it. However I do sympathize with the difficulty of teaching it to non-germanic (non-indoeuropean? How deep does the split in concept go?) speakers.
I think I see this phenomenon in the Asian film industry. I always wondered what my disconnect was with their movies. I think was the lack figurative speech. The dialogue was always very straightforward. I see that in anime, too. It's especially interesting since they have more iNtuitives over there than Sensors.
@@narchelsin7679 No. Just a rumor. I think I heard it from Chase. I asked him how he came to his conclusions about how typology correlates to demographics (since we can't really rely on statistics from inaccurate test results), and I think he said that it would be coming up in future lectures. But I he hasn't yet -- at least to my knowledge.
Hmm.... I think if I'm made uncomfortable/ pushed to do something, that just makes me retreat into my own Fi/Si. For example, I've had a high, maybe secondary Te user (ISTJ?) confront me about not getting something finished, and it was very discouraging, made me feel crappy about myself. I ended up procrastinating more, wanting to get away, somehow >.< However, I can be very motivated when someone makes me believe I am good at something or shows me how a task is meaningful. I can be motivated when I think I can be really useful to others. Or when I am confident in my ability to get it done well. There are other factors in play as well, but I really don't think one needs to necessarily try pushing an INFP in a negative manner. It may have the opposite effect anyway. There are much better ways - inspiration or discussion from a place of values can work magic. If it's something that I don't realize I'm doing wrong, starting with just a calm reasoning conversation can be all it takes. But pushing and discomfort... well, I don't remember any instances in which it truly fixed any problems, especially not long term.
Sofiya Karpina this is so true. Thank you for sharing that. Throughout my life I feel like my dad has been discouraging when he thinks he is helping. I always wanted him to just encourage and ask how he can help me meet my goals instead of saying things like, “Get a life..” He tested as an ESFP. I am a highly sensitive person who tested as an “INFP” although I am on a mission to not make that my identity. I am who Yah says I am. It’s a very lonely path but I know we can get through it.
Pushing infp's and making them uncomfortable to be able to change them might actually do the opposite. And all these will pile up in their Si. Instead of helping them, all these negativity will serve as a block for their growth. We live in world where logic and sensory experience is king and as such, emotions and the abstract is invalidated.
@@thekiwisqu33z34 true true true. I'm an INFP 9w8, I think my shadow ENFJ wants to self improve, it's a bit clumsy but the 8 makes me a bit masochistic when it comes to self improvement with pain, all I have to do it let my inferior Te take it instead of my Fi. Immature INFPs don't see the value in how their conflict avoiding nature can be used when you go through the pain thoroughly instead of crying way before the lesson is learned. It's so frustrating to talk to underdeveloped INFPs because in a way I don't think of them as they need to know more knowledge (although that can be true) but there's nothing more real than experiencing the lesson & in my head I'm like "your journey to being more tolerant & more compromising is way too ahead of you" & talk about things I already know, which can be undertimulant to someone who needs more brain stimulation, in way I can listen to a sensor conversation because it's at least coming from a different place, I'm not saying all INFPs but most of them drain me, but that problem can be for anyone of any type who is mature enough to understand this struggle when having relationships with their same type when one of them is underdeveloped in life.
Also I would say in terms of INFPs desiring the lime light I think thats true in terms of envisioning becoming “so powerful and empowering” that we become famous “by chance” because of our “radical authenticity” and for no other reason
Wow id never imagine an INFP wanting fame lol. Im an INFP and i hate the idea of fame or attention. I just wanna live and remain true to self. As id want everyone to do the same.
I read recently that morals were about survival of self and ethics was about survival of everyone. Using the term “survival” in this context was telling because as an INFP, even in decision matters that don’t affect anyone but myself I often feel the intensity of moral decision making fighting for my survival when I can easily see the logic behind a different choice. I drive myself crazy.
" 'Beauty is truth, truth beauty,' - that is all ye know on earth, and all ye need to know." -John Keats And everything else ever said by a Romantic poet (Byron, Shelley, Wordsworth, etc) =Fi
I am a Fi dom and I don't want fame/lime light or things like that. All I want is when I am old and dying I don't wanna regret things that I have done in my Life. I want to find the happiness in little things like seeing the moon, listening to my fav songs, having that leftover ice-cream. Even though life is not a bed of roses as much as I wish it was. Thanks for not calling Fi users selfish like a lot of people do. They say Fi doesn't feel much if they can't relate to your experience. In reality, when I see someone struggling or going through rough situation I can go from laughing fits and pulling pranks to crying my eyes out and hyperventilating within the span of 1 minute. Even though I have never been to their situation. People are like you don't talk much/cry much.(In my head) I am like oh I definitely do just not with you/in front of you.
Interesting video, Chase. I'm an INFP, and although Fi is my preferred function for making evaluations and decisions, I use the other three to varying degrees. I don't agree with some of your assertions such as being very status-oriented. Also, I'm really surprised you didn't mention themes of individuality, authenticity, motive/intent, conviction, and self-referential language when discussing Fi. I'd say the best way to motivate INFPs is to help them feel empowered to make positive impacts. Some of it may come with discomforting times, but I find it highly erroneous to claim that persistence in making them feel uncomfortable (in of itself) is the way to motivate them. It's when INFPs feel strongly convicted about something that they know how to really make things happen. You say that INFPs are these docile people. I can be very chill guy, but if I'm going to be real with you about something, I may not necessarily come off as "nice". When I channel my introverted feeling in certain actions, it's not for the purpose of trying to "look good" in the eyes of others. It can be to do good, because I know certain people have suffered, and I have the power to make things better for said people. How would I feel if I were in that person's shoes? So yeah, there's the feeling element to it, but if you look more closely, you might find that it ties into looking for core needs of a person, of an individual. I get the impression you imply people whose personality types have more prominent introverted feeling are going to be more gullible due to believing people with high credentials. Someone with high credentials can be great, but can I trust that person's motive? Is that person being real with me? Fi uses very different criteria when making evaluations. It is similar to introverted thinking, but introverted thinking puts aside personal feelings to search for logically consistent truths.
Z Iquebal I’m sorry but Fi has nothing to do with motive, that is Ne. But INFPs have both Fi and Ne. When the functions combine together they create different behaviors. Most of what you have described is Fi combined with other functions or other functions entirely. Thank you for your comment.
Fi is said to make "good/bad" evaluations. How exactly does it go about that? You said that most of what I described is Fi combined with other functions or other functions entirely. Please elaborate. Also, another thing on discomfort is that the emotionally-sensitive nature of Fi will come with its own brand of discomfort.
Z Iquebal I don’t disagree with you in this comment. Fi makes good bad judgments based on the Te data available. It’s like an inner scale that weighs things out. The more weight the more good. The less weight, the less good... leading to bad in terms of decision making. Si is more focused on comfort but Fi enhances Si’s need for comfort.
@@mrz4252 I agree totally! I haven't met a single Fi > Te user who values credentials (including myself, but I'll exclude myself since I could type myself wrong) Credentials are valued by high Te users, not high Fi users. Fi is much more about authenticity & credentials can be used as a facade, which is an instant turn off for high Fi users. For example I get instantly annoyed whenever I hear Reza Aslan listing his credentials again & again. Also I have the ideology that you could be a toddler & present to me a correct theory & I'd accept it if it's right, I don't really care about the credentials.
Think your idea that Fi cares about status is one your weakest points. Fi is by definition NOT about external judgement, as this would contradict its own internal judgments in many instances. In an infp, Fi is the starting point and Te may be used to justify this, but status is not motivational for an infp, nor are "credentials"
ajobimlover I think you need to watch my cognitive synchronicity videos. In them you will learn that ones sense of self worth (Fi) is based on the collective thoughts of others (Te) aka status because they are inherently linked and on an axis. I also recommend my video on cognitive axis. After reviewing these, I believe you will see how I came to this conclusion.
Thank you. I'm not disagreeing that we have "cognitive axes" but I'm not so sure that they work the way you describe. Doesn't it make more sense to say that our perceiving function is what provides the raw data to feed our primary judging function, and not another judging function? Doesn't the fact that they are opposed both in orientation (E/I) and in "method" (T/F) mean that they are dealing with two different realms altogether and that our decision-making will overwhelmingly prefer the orientation and method of our primary judger, especially if one is "hero" and the other our 4th (forgot name)
ajobimlover it does make more sense but that is not how it works in practice. This is where things like the demonic child comes into place or the demonic parent. Certain functions can team up with each other. It is not just one sequence in a string. It’s more like an Abacus or a pool full of floaters that all interact with one another as is necessary for integration
Take a practical example. An INFP choosing a career. Let's forget for a moment that INFP's are known for choosing careers not because of status but because of what they like (or at least, that's what most infp's want to my knowledge). An INFP may have some conscious awareness of status considerations because Te is in the conscious stack; however, according to my understanding of the function stack, Fi judgements will take strong precedence over any Te considerations (that are sort of floating in the background of consciousness- perhaps raising questions, but getting flooded by a wave of Fi
I guess it depends on the context of the situation but generally negative motivation does not work in a long run. Encouragement, positive belief and positive feedback make wonders
You know those emotional literacy color wheels that list like, 100 emotions? I’m an ESTP (Fi POLR) and my color wheel only consists of the 3 primary colors: hungry (yellow), angry (red), and asleep (blue).The fact that some people have such a finely-tuned emotional compass that they use it to navigate the world... truly mind-blowing.
ISFP here. This is very pejorative and off the mark. Feeling and thinking are two different modes of evaluating and for some reason you think the FIs evaluations are inferior - selfish, shallow or faulty.
Thank you so much for explaining how Fe users "absorb" Fi. I was wondering all the time if I'm INFP or INFJ because morality plays a large role for me, but in many other situations, the INFJ functions seem to fit better. Now that you mentioned it, yes, you're right, I make my moral decisions based on feeling into people who are expressing their morality. That's pretty fascinating. But as it is my auxilliary function, it still comes pretty intuitive so that I never really realised it.
I’m an INFP male. Having Fi as opposed to Fe kinda sucks because it keeps from acting out things that I know will hurt people, but it doesn’t motivate me enough to act out altruistically. It’s easy to get selfish that way, and being selfish is the last way I’d think any INFP would like to be described. It’s something I’ve had to learn to pay attention towards.
Yes, introverted functions are primarily internally derived and self referencing. Status is externally referencing and has little relationship to fi. Chase seems to 'dislike' fi and have some distorted perceptions. He's likely either ENTJ or entp, so either fi inferior or fi polr. These positions would make understanding conscious use of the function most difficult.
I disagree with the credentials part. It directly contradicts with the core value of Fi: authenticity. Te > Fi would value credentials, that makes it a Te characteristic, not Fi one. I don't know why but I do sense a Ti-Fe bias in your analyses, maybe because you are one or maybe because you appreciate them more (INTPs for example)
@@jilmil33 I agree! I'm not entirely sure of my type, when I'd written this comment I was under impression that I am an ISFP (based on the same test I'd taken multiple times & Dave SuperPowers' method) but now when I've given multiple other tests as well as tried Enneagram & Chase's method, INTP is more likely of me. Even then I'd say this video of his isn't correct, haven't seen any Fi > Te person who'd value credentials so much.
What I'm picking up is that Fi hero does value credentials but since Te is unconscious they won't necessarily make the connection about what's driving their thinking.
@@arande3 That could be the reason, but the 'disgust'/annoyance I've seen on Fi > Te people when someone shows off their credentials makes me think that it's a Te trait to admire credentials. Although I myself am not sure of my understanding of definitions of functions now so I can't be sure.
Yes, Chase is a Ti/Fe user, he's an ENTP. As Fi pairs with Te, the statement that Fi users value credentials is correct because they're also Te users. Sure, if Fi is higher in their stack than Te, they won't value them as much as a more dominant Te user, but the statement still stands. Yes, Chase values INTPs, his videos on us (I'm probably INTP) are incredibly glowing, almost makes me blush :)
From other videos, my understanding of Fi Demon is this: "I dont care anymore; Im doing what I feel like doing, what makes me feel good, and morality is what I say it is." Think of Alex from A Clockwork Orange. He has a made-up system of morality (the little bit he has), and is absolutely Epicurean in the most immoral ways possible. He justifies his atrocities through a twisted Demoniac Fi. It seems there are 2 variations of Fi Demon in action: omni-destruction, and self-destruction. Omni-destruction is like I described. Twisting morality in every sense, justifying horrific atrocities, having no regard for anyone's feelings but it's own, etc. Using Fi for the destruction of others. Self destruction, the common one, is justifying all manner of debauchery to oneself. Sexual deviancy, substance abuse, laziness, general self destruction. Being an INTP, I know I have to watch out for that stuff. Of course, take all this with a grain of salt, I still havent verified all this.
I remember when I was 18 or so I accidentally spread a rumor about myself and could not stop it, so I decided to pretend it was true because I didn't want to go and tell people I had lied in the first place... and I remember this moment so vividly, when I thought to myself, I can choose to believe it's true and I will think it's true, but then I chose not to, because I felt it would be morally bankrupt of me to do so and it was fair that I had to live with knowing I had lied and hadn't been brave enough to admit it. In another instance, I was in danger and I literally tricked myself into thinking I was pregnant and this strange hypermotivation kicked in that gave me the nerve to get myself out of that situation.
Fi considers the human element because it sees behavior as subject to change based on situational factors. Accurate data is very important, therefore you need Fi to interpret its value.
People who have deliberately tested my resolve and also tried to make me feel uncomfortable......... have regretted it. I have a very calm relaxing demeanour. But if you test me, you will wish you were Tony Stark, because I will go Hulk.
excellent work as always! I would like to add that some of us Fi users can actually interpret logic, and recognize truth... however, we don't respect it the same way a Ti user does. in other words, we don't always follow or reject a course of action because we don't know the truth, or it's 'good' or 'bad,' but because we are going to do what we want to do in spite of the truth. so, while I consider the truth or logic of a decision and I consider whether it's good or bad, in the end, I always go with what I want (which I deem as 'good' 😅), whether makes sense or not. -ESFP
You may think you are good at determining the truth logically as an Fi user, but 95% of the time, that's just your Te recognizing what's seems the most probable to be the truth. Ti users also often do what they want despite knowing the true. The truth, after all has no value on its own without Fi morality or Ni desire. But the way they determine the truth is different from a Te user. In these early videos chase didn't really fully explain Te and Fi, but essentially, Te uses inductive reasoning, which means it essentially uses EVIDENCE to see what is MOST LIKELY the truth, and then it accepts that as the truth. It can be biased as to what evidence it looks at tho, especially if it's a higher Fi user with lower Te, because the way a Te user decides if something is good evidence or not, is by evaluating it with their Fi. Ti logic is different tho. It doesn't look at evidence at all, it doesn't care about evidence to begin with. Ti ONLY cares about PROOF. Because proof is DEFINITELY true, so long as your most basic information is also true. The problem with Ti is Ti users HAVE TO make some basic assumptions before they can use their logic. For example before you can tell me what a + b is equal to, you have to know what a is equal to and what b is equal to. If you assume the wrong values, then your final answer will also be incorrect. So Ti users need a way to decide what they will assume to be true. This is what they rely on Te users for. But again, if a Ti/Fe user let's other peoples VALUES decide what they believe, rather than looking at and processing the Te input of other people, then their final answers will also be biased and skewed.
@@zile8869 No, Ti users come up with almost all of the discoveries of fact and always have. Te users are irrelevant to it. Learning facts isn't Te, Ti-Si learns facts as does Te/Se.. the only thing that's Te is teaching impersonal material or trusting sources without self checking, which Ti users often reject if it makes no sense. Most Ti users haven't used Te like that since they were kids The field of economics/finance is basically witch doctory at this point because Ti users get bullied out of the space and it's all about Te consensus of an Fi belief system. If you use Ti instead of Te and say a truth you will be laughed out of the room because everyone knows that's not the truth and you have no credentials For example; "The whole trickle down idea breaks down if the rich don't spend their money at the same rate as the poor and thus decrease net productivity compared to inflation through wealth gain. Therefore the wealthy are draining society by investing in non productive assets (no goods or services are produced and minimal wages are paid by this money cycling around the economy). However non productive assets such as land and housing (without improvements), commodities and shares are the only winners in the economy since 2008 at least, so logically the rich continue to invest in them. And governments happily use this false economy to prop up the numbers to avoid revealing the truth of living standards dropping rapidly and keep the elderly land owning voter base from realising they're destroying the future for their kids and grandkids" There is a guy called Gary Stevenson on here who states those opinions, but even he is a Te user whose Ni believed he was smarter than others, and he has to bring up his money making betting on wealth inequality increase and worse living standards (credentials to be listened to). And he had to discover this by being told to use Te to ask family and friends how they were doing (he's from a poor background), not working it out on the trading floor
You said in this video that in order to motivate an INFP make them uncomfortable which causes their Si child and Fi hero to start sounding the alarms but isn’t that technically attacking their child function which is what you yourself have referred to as child abuse?
HAHAHHA Dying “You wouldn’t know but someone with Fi hero is judging you to your face without you even knowing” Sooo tragically true - Im an INFP who is working on that through studying how everyone works through MBTI so thankful for your vidz!! Also I die laughing at all your videos - the way you hate on logical fallacies makes me bust uppp
Hearing T over F bias in this one! ;) 'The truth' in a logical decision-making process is only true as far as what you know about the situation. All truth is a sliding scale of subjectiveness with the exception of maths.
I agree Dave Cross. And with the exception of any natural science I would add. But for anything with a subjective nature I'd never use the word "truth" - rather "opinion". /ISFP
If you look deeper into the definition of and studies done on emotions and feelings, you will find that they are not just based on good or bad, although that could be part of the expression of a particular individual at a simplistic level. "You are a bad person because of" this or that. (But even here, one could say that the person lacks a level of intellect to think that someone is a bad person across the board, based on a particular belief they hold, Fi or not.) Emotions, feelings and how people make judgements is much more complex than just a matter of good or bad, as you state. You are missing addressing the background at how individuals arrive at their feelings about the world and events. The scientific community is only just beginning to understand what feelings and emotions are at a deeper level. There is a lot we don't know. We are also just starting to research consciousness. MBTI teaching doesn't seem to address this either to any depth, which is highly problematic, especially when we talk about it as being a rigorous study of human behavior or give it too much credit. Ive not read all of Jung's theories but I do know that he didn't see the human mind as so intensely polar as MBTI teaches. He did have conflicting theories to those that MBTI cherry picked. But back to your Fi discussion... Feelings and emotions are based on perspective and can also have a somatic element to them, as described as an "emotional experience". Perspective is based on life experience, intellect, types of logic used, physical sensitivity, birth order etc. How we feel about things is derived from all of these. It's a much more complex conversation than just describing it as a good or bad value judgement which is in itself inaccurate. We all use logic and feelings/emotions to make decisions. Are some peoples decisions based on different types of logic? Sure. Are some peoples decisions colored by the depth of emotion that they are able to feel? Possibly. Are those who use emotions as a decision making process less logical? Of course not. The back end of emotions and feelings includes logic and analysis. So here we need to understand that it depends on the particular person as to how logical or useful or accurately they are assessing a situation. This may go back to consciousness. How conscious are they as a human, and even, what does that mean? An argument of the semantics around the use of the word "morality" and "ethics" is also necessary as a response here due to the fact that morality is defined by you as what one sees as good or bad. You define ethics as being exhibited in yourself as being neutral and morally vacant. Ethics is generally defined as a personal code of conduct, (especially in law, business and medicine). People who study ethics as a career use the terms interchangeably, and so your argument is confusing to me. What are you saying the difference is? Morality is also a code of ethics is it not? Or are you saying that morality is just based on a momentary "emotional experience"? You also don't seem very neutral in your discussion about Fi. It seems as if you disrespect it or even emotions in general as displayed by your tone of voice. What logic leads you to these feelings? --- Signed, boxed in as an INFP who is not judging you but parts of your argument while also observing some of your behavior. But while being a critic on this video, I also get that you're putting yourself out there and doing the work to be judged while offering others a platform to state their case, so I thank you and give you props.
thank you, also why do I have to be neutral in my argument? Just because I am biased doesn't give you or anyone else the license to not listen to me. Bias does not necessarily mean less accurate.
Stephanie! This is an excellent post here. I'm going to go back over it and re-read it when I get a chance. Quick question for you: would you say Fi could also involve aesthetic appreciation, preferences, and other amoral (not immoral) contexts? Another thing, Chase could come off as biased against emotion because of where Fi lies in his unconscious. But as he's mentioned elsewhere, Fe child really does care about the feelings of others.
"Bias does not necessarily mean less accurate". How can you, as a logical thinker, say that? Of course it does, in case your bias prevents you from understanding/wanting to understand Fi correctly. Naturally objectivity increases credibility. I do find your videos very informative and interesting though, even if I don't recognize myself (isfp) in all your statements.
@@salukyh There's no such thing as an "unbiased truth". Every human and society on earth has a bias, since our perspective is limited to our experience. The perspective of every human on earth is biased to the range of experiences they can get on earth(and/or the surrounding planets).
INFP here and I detest use of "my truth" or "your truth." Truth is truth. I'm not entirely sure we're the types who, generally speaking, gravitate to that (if it can correlate to type).
Idk I’m an INFP and I don’t really judge people or think things are either good or bad really the opposite. I think when you make up your mind like that you fail to see the truth and I care more about making decisions rationally. I just try to understand why people think what they think. I interpret Fi more like, you care about how others will be affected by a decision, which is a rational way to think. But reducing conflict is also part of it
From this video I came up with one definite conclusion You are ENTP for sure About my Fi, I got more insight, will have to think about how to digest all this info
Nevermind....after listening more I realized I absolutely don't base the way I feel about something on what others think. That I'm absolutely certain of
If you're gonna be persistent about making me uncomfortable... Sure, eventually I might cave. But you may notice you'll see me around less. That I talk less. And that I stop being vulnerable around you. Because if you're not just making me uncomfortable but TRYING to do so... Why would I try to be around you and why on earth would I tell you things that you can use to do so?
because if you are a rational human being, and have been alive long enough you would understand that we as human beings survive by being exposed to uncomfortable situations, its like if you raised a kid in space where gravity (no conflict) is non-existant their bones are gonna be hollow and mallow, while if you raise them on earth (conflict) their bones are gonna be strong, the longer you push conflict away the less you will be able to deal with it, and since life is nothing but constant conflict you wont last long enough, and if you do you wont be able to achieve your dreams and goals. just for some background info I always hated conflict and prefered harmony, and I still do mind you, but if I no longer prioritze feeling happy over fixing a problem or facing conflict. if there are people that you know trying to incite conflict chances are they want to help you, no problems are sovled with out conflict. in the long run after you have fixed those problems you can truly live in true happiness
@@omarma7815 Addressing a problem wasn't what I was referring to. What I was referring to was pressing buttons, saying and doing things for the purpose of bothering me, to get me to do what you want. Say, significant other of an INFP thinks they're getting chubby, may just prefer they lose some weight for aesthetic reasons, but also may be concerned for their health. They can bring it up and have an adult conversation about it, this is fine. I am not against communicating when there's an issue, that is not what I was talking about. What's not fine if they don't see results quickly enough if the INFP agrees to work on it, the INFP decides not to work on it for whatever reason, or they skip said conversation entirely, and then start constantly dropping derogatory comments about how fat they are and how ugly that makes them. If you do that or similar things (even if less 'extreme' but still in the same category), you're an asshole I don't need in my life and you can kindly fuck off.
This is rather perplexing. As an infp I have done things in the past due to instinct and sometimes looking on the outside it seems irrational or whatever but then in the moment it was justified because I acted with my gut and intuition I guess or is it simply my fear acting in the moment....I act differentlyrin intense situations including freeze response or the other response which is fight...very conflicting thoughts on this one...good content. 😊
I can tell this is your blindspot as your ubderstanding of how this fuction works is superficial and still (at least in this video, I think less so in later ones) more of an attempt to understand it and to tap into it rather than a true, visceral understanding. It is like you are probing it with a stick and examining it - and uour words are still littered with suspicion for the foreign. As someone who has auxillary Fi, which I resisted embracing and did not fully value - out of a guilt and worry of being selfish (yay, Fe critic) - till I was about 30, I have learned to ubderstand Fi not only as not only a willingness but an inability not, to follow their own value system. I can’t do something just because the tribe wants me to. Doing so feels like a betrayal of who I am. I will follow my own values, even if I feel guilty doing so, because not doing so feel immoral and inauthentic to me, which are cardinal sins for someobe with high Fi. Two examples of how this has played out in my life: 1. My mother had a hard time dealing with my grandmother’s illness and in her inability to deal wanted me to also not visit my grandmother. I think in her mibd if I didn’t go it would validate her own choices. She wanted loyalty to the tribe. I needed to be loyal to my own values and relationship with my grandmother and went regardless of my mother’s disapproval. This resulted in my mother not speaking to me for almost a year, which I knew in my gut would likely be the result. But I needed to go. Self over tribe. Own moral values over harmony. 2. About 12 years ago I feel in love with a friend of mine, a woman who had supported me in setting up my own business. When this happened I did not push the feeling away but allowed them to happen and evaluated them - why was I feeling this, what did it mean for my marriage at the time, etc. For me it wasn’t an option to just pretend the feelings were not there and meant nothing. Before acting on them I discussed them with my partner and evaluated options. Honesty is a very strobg value for me, both towards myself and others. Pretending everything is fine or there isn’t an emotional elephant in the room for the sake of harmony and not making others uncomfortable makes me feel like a chartalan. It has always been my role to confront others with emotional truth. To call them on their bullshit and self lies. And I do this regularly with others. This is not about status. It is about honor. It is, as you discuss in other, later, videos about not choosing expediency. It is not as simple as good and bad. It is also about truth, but in a different way than truth for the Ti user. It is about going into one’s fear and choosing love and honesty, and helping others do that. This is how a Fi user can be a warrior.
You are right about perceptions being leading - but I would frame it as intentions. If someone makes a poor moral or social choice I will view this differently based on their intentions. Were they protecting themselves and others were unintentionally collateral damage or was there intent to harm? These things matter to us and will dictate how we deal with a situation and whether we let someone into our life. You, for example, seem to have good intentions in your understanding here. Your grasp of how this particular function works is childish at best, but you are genuinely searching for truth. You are not trying to judge, you are failing to fully understand because you lack deep personal experience with this function as a decision maker.
subconscious is the opposite of the ego. It also holds the anima and animus. The unconscious is the immature form of the ego that is passive but can be made active.
INFP here, thank you for this video ! Your channel is impressive in volume and there are many gems in the content. They are rain gems though, there's no map as to where to find them, there are everywhere in small quantities, so it's kind of a nightmare to collect them if you don't look for anything specific. Which is sad, because gems are pretty not matter what their colour is. (this is a plea for motivated people to contact me so we can condense all the transcendent stuff you said, please, anyone?) Several things were very spot on and rather original on RUclipsLand : -o-o-o 'they(INFPs) want to feel good about what other people think of them' --- Ohhh yes, terribly accurate and definitely one of the keys to read our behaviour. I hate to think that others might think I behaved badly. To the point where I act out of fear of people thinking I did something bad. Which I think is bad. A classic INFP problem. -o-o-o 'Fi-hero, they're *always* *aware* of how they feel about you or anything else' (/they judge you instantly to your face/) --- It took me a long time to think of and then believe the fact that most people don't have a constantly updated "how I feel" about everything. I still tend to forget. That's part of the reason why I really don't want to be seen doing anything bad. And that's part of the reason why "being social" growing up was very tough, I still have to remind myself that people's intentions aren't as bad as they may seem, they just don't feel the consequences. --- About not telling how we feel and *silently* judging, it's either this or perpetually being in conflict with everyone. Our "judgement" is constantly updated, and very small things will bug us. We're too caught up in updating and "feeling" (see below) to come up with a good way to talk about what we feel should be talked about. But at least, we register all the information and form our own opinion, INFP perception of truth is that it's all the 'felt opinions', and we want to contribute. -o-o-o '100% of all social interaction is manipulation' -o-o-o 'Fi wants to feel status' --- Sure, I mean, given the pains that we go through to appear moral and be moral, it would be nice if people respected our person. --- Fame is meh, a lot of people watching you, just makes the job of looking good tougher, plus people can have negative emotions towards you. (--- Woaw, I don't fantasize about being a sidekick in the form of a wife) --- Respect for whatever ability you have is a lot more precious than fame. Trust in our good intentions, gratefulness for our willingness to be patient/to help, that's a lot better than fame. Some things that disturbed me out of my comfiness : -o-o-o "INFPs are very docile" --- We do have Ne over Si... Ne doesn't do docile that well... Okay okay, we're "docile" in a lot of ways. My initial reaction is hating you for saying that though (sorry, I reined myself in :D I promise). My gut reaction is very strong, I'm aware it sounds very violent using the word 'hate' but it's the most accurate. -o-o-o "they(INFPs) always want to have a good experience, they want to feel comfy at all times" --- LOL I can't shut my mouth on that ! First of all, I think it's in contradiction with "INFPs are very docile", here's why. We want to feel good at least as much as the next person does. But we also experience a lot of negative emotions (see precedent point) that we can't avoid and that we have to "digest" until they calm down because Fi has this kind of rule of "Respecting Emotions" or something, and basically, if you feel sad, you have to focus on the sadness until you don't feel that sad anymore. In short, a side of our docility is in accepting whatever emotion comes to us and just "feeling" it, even if that emotion is making us have a terrible experience. "Okay, but this bad experience is forced upon you" well, it's forced upon me only up to the point where Fi is forced upon me. I find that Te is often an antidote for "feeling bad" that I don't manage to use. I'm feeling bad, and then suddenly I realize that there's no point in moping and that I should get on with my life without thinking about "feeling bad", but I just don't manage most of the time. We can't cheat out of bad emotions like xxTJs can. I'm not unreceptive to "bad signals" that trigger "bad experiences" and Fi makes sure I don't fluke "feeling bad". From my perspective, "they always want to have a good experience" applies a lot more to people that aren't disturbed that much by their emotions. Somehow, they dodged the bad part of life...? I would say that "do they want to have a bad experience or what?" is more accurate than "they always want to have a good experience" as a description of Fi. Random things I want to comment on : -o-o-o "To motivate an INFP, you need to make them uncomfortable" --- hummm... if uncomfortable = guilty, then yes, that's efficient ! if uncomfortable = public shame, it might work, or not, but the idea makes me too uncomfortable to say anything that makes sense. Good luck finding the Fi triggers for guilt though hahaha, they're not the same as Fe triggers for guilt... If Fe triggers work, it may be juste because of "INFPs want to feel good about what others think of them"-fear. An INFP knows when they have been forced to do things. They will remember and won't feel good about you until you do something really nice seemingly sincerely.
I really really struggle understanding Fi. If everything were to be judged based on feelings, nothing will progress, because everything, literally, is bound to fail. Humans are bound to fail, systems, anything. Fi is especially harder to understand when it is dominant, there's some kind of a demand (for others) to be morally perfect by the Fi users, or else, they will just discard you because you don't make them feel good. Of course, they do give time for the other person to "fix" their behavior according to the Fi user's liking, but the threshold is going to be low, and once that person messes it up, its done, its over. Ironically, Fi users expect people to be authentic while at the same time they refuse to realize that perfection in moral isn't something permanent, because, we are bound to fail. They can be really harsh, even for a small trivial mistake, they have very very low tolerance and will not think twice to just cut you off like you're so worthless and deserve not even a minute to be heard, and like you're some kind of a criminal that had done a very very horrible crime even worse than a mass murder. In turn, I, when they treat me that way, I also regret I ever gave them my time. And Fi users simply won't put up with my straightforwardness, i gotta arrange my words in such a way that will please their ears because of their tendency looking for motives and agenda behind everything I say as if I'm just inherently evil and they're so morally perfect they gotta judge me, my thoughts, and suspect me, etc, i can't even relax around them. The vibe around them is so uptight, gotta walk on eggshells around them and be very careful, don't let the fragile eggshells break. They prefer tactfulness, I prefer straightforward truth, no more no less. We value different things and my values tend to be seen as immoral by them. They, as I said, have no problem cutting people off even faster than the speed of light. Did it ever cross to their minds that neither do they make the Ti users feel comfortable with their overly sensitive and uptight behavior that really, I myself have billions of reasons why I should just walk away from them because of how stressful they make me feel but I put up because I care about them (and I mean the Fi users in my life), but oftentimes, it's not reciprocated with the same amount of love and empathy from them. It really always feels like I'm àt their mercy. I'm just ranting.
Fi is a very hard function to understand, even for Fi doms, and by your personal experiences, it seems like the Fi doms in your life really has to do some shadow work. Those traits you describe above is basically what an unhealthy IXFP looks like. (failing to see beauty in imperfection, forcing values into other people, not taking criticism well, etc) I also think you actually do understand Fi, because you claimed that humans are just bound to fail which is what Fi is about, beauty in the imperfection of the individual. I think you are struggling to understand Fi users in your life rather than Fi in general. But if you want to understand Fi better, remember Fi is not about progress. Thats the Job of Te. The purpose of Fi is to remind the TJ world, that individual values doesnt always have to be justified with logic, reason or rationality. Crushing individuality for the purpose of maximum efficiency is, as the history would tell you, not a very good idea.
People confuse between Fe and Fi. Fi user don't judge the world based on feelings, infact he judge the world based on data because he is Te user. But at the same time, he cares about his own feelings so he takes decisions that makes him feel good. Because for him, primary priority of life is living happy life. And Fi users are the last one to demand or expect something from others because expectations hurts when it's not fulfilled. And it doesn't feel good for them and they don't do something that doesn't feel good for them. So the person who is expecting moral behavior from you is definitely not an Fi user.
Would it be reasonable to say that high Fi is "spending time self-regulating ones emotions and/or feelings" so as an INTP with Fi demon I allow my emotions to happen to me rather than spending time on self-regulating them since i spend so little of my time in Fi, while an INTJ with Fi child spends lots of time self-regulating emotions and actually enjoy doing that?
I really don't think true Ti users use Fi at all. We use Fe/Ti to try to work out if we are treated fairly and ethically by our own logic and Fe assessment of how others are treated and behave. We compare our treatment to how others are treated and see if it makes sense. We seek justice. If there is no consistent justice we get upset. Ti/Fe looks like Fi, but it is not. Fe fuelled by Ti however often gets blunted before it really assesses how the person feels, so many Ti doms really struggle to even feel what they feel. They often think and can express that they are frustrated, but feel no emotion. It makes it all the more bad when the Fe takes over, because usually the Ti dom has to feel so wronged that the emotions are high, and usually the other party has upset them for a reason and disagrees, furthering Fe's hurt and making the Ti dom feel nobody cares and it makes no sense. Fe users struggle when groups don't share their ethics and truths and their Ti rules don't apply Fi users do not care about the Fe assessment of their feelings or whether it makes sense or not, they know what they feel and why, and only they have any say. What upsets them is people acting against their morals and it matters not at all what anyone else has to say. What Te does there is tell the Fi user what they should do about it. But Te fuelled Fi often shuts down any action or practicality. An Fi dom may often feel upset but like there is no point trying to fix it or act on it. But when Te takes over it's because the Fi user is feeling so upset that they need to release it and again, they were upset for a reason and taking action externally just leads to others thinking they are crazy, triggering Te fighting, and Fi dom then feels like everybody is a bad person. Te users struggle when individuals don't share their beliefs and identities and their Fi values aren't valid to those people
Fi Is Good For Knowing The Map Of Feelings. When It Comes To Truth, Wouldn't Fi Be Corolating The Feeling Of Confidence With The Rational Of A Thought ?
Yes. So Fi can value anything. If Fi values a Te rationale, then it can appear like Ti. But it's not true Ti. True Ti would be looking at a Te rationale and compare it to their Ti facts. They'll say, if this is true than therefore that must must be true/false. I don't do that. I just tend to look at Te rationale and value it.
I think Fi-Te users listen more to people with a certificate is because their are lacking own true-false judgement. They don't know if what the person is saying is true because they don't know how to figure it out. A certificate is a proof that an institution has proofen that the person knows something. So they outsource the true-false judgement to an institution because they can not do it.
This: disputes between Ts and Fs often boil down to a fundamental philosophical disagreement about whether feelings and values count as “facts”. As Fi it is quite clear to me that feelings are facts of reality, and they should play a part in logical decisions
Ti Logic is like a calculator. 1+1 = 2 is literally a logical statement. If you have 1 thing and you add another you logically have to now have 2! Fi morals/values however are subjective. I see eternal life as good and a valuable thing for humanity to pursue. Others may see it as bad. In a way, yes, values ARE facts. Because it is definitely a FACT that I value eternal life. But whether or not I value it has NO EFFECT on the logical truths regarding eternal life, what it is, what it leads to and how to get it. Our values only determine what we will choose to do once we already know the truths regarding eternal life. Think of it like this: The truth can exist without the good, but the good CANNOT exist without the truth. The truth provides substance, aka, a framework for the good to exist on. But the good in return, gives meaning and value to the truth. For example, even if you know the truth that jumping off a bridge will kill you, it will not matter in the slightest to you if you don't have any good/bad values regarding your life. The truth has no meaning or value without the good. You can be the smartest person in the world, knowing everything, but still be unsuccessful because you have no concept of what to value and what not to value, so by extention you have no concept of what something as subjective as success even is. If you live or die, it won't matter to you, so even if you know something will have a 'negative' outcome, you don't care, because you don't see the outcome as negative or positive!
So anyway, my point is: Truth should ALWAYS come first, else our values won't get us to the 'good' outcomes we are looking for. You NEED to put aside how you feel and risk getting offended ro get to the bottom of the truth FIRST, and only then should you focused on what you value. But we should also remember that the only reason the truth even matters at all is because of the good.
I think what I am getting from the meaning of Fi is that it points to one being true to one's own conscience, however it may be formed at the time even if it is misinformed like for example belonging to a sect like the "Jehovah's Witnesses" and refusing to celebrate your birthday based on how your personal conscience is formed, or, better said, even MISINFORMED. You're still following your conscience.
Fe Dom I used to know who would always tell their Fi User BF:"Would you rather be right, or would you rather be happy?" Always thought that was sort of funny
Ti = care of what is Ti + Ne = abstract "what is" Ti + Se = concrete "what is" focus on what/how/why is working From my humble perspective Fi = care of how is (good, beautiful, harsh, soft, small, big, empty, full of.. ect) like tasting something Fi + Ne = abstract " how is " Fi + Se = concrete "how is " Focus on what/how/why is benefit In my opinion Fi care about truth not the same way as Ti. Ti identify truth while Fi taste truth. Or Ti see truth while Fi live truth. Correct me if i'm wrong i'm a simple INTP.
*takes a deep breath* well folks, it's time for informative to kick in (this comment is a story, plz read if you have time, RELAX TOO. Your stress level needs to go down, not up) who want to know a story of a child called Fai? Fai was often written Fi thus he wanted to have an identity. Fai wanted to stand out so that he could correct everyone and show them how to write his name correctly he knew he had a lot to do considering he was thought to be a weak child. Fai had to stand strong to reach the end of his journey. "The journey to comprehension" he called it. The world was hurting him, he felt it. He felt that... People tried to change him and shape him into a marionette of recorded reactions; "oh so sad so sad you ough to be when they tell you they'll go. But ah how glad, how glad you are to help them pack" because that's what was supposed to happen. But he had a set of reaction of his own... What would happen of them if they never existed in reality? Would they become the fruit of his imagination? Or is there a world where he'll find them, strong as they are, fast as they can, real as his hands... beautiful as his mom? Is there a world where his mommy didn't put him to adoption... If there was, then it wouldn't be fair for Fai who's in this world. The world was hurting him, he felt it. But one day a man, with a height of 3 Fai and the hair of ... a fish, asked Fai "what do you feel about this, kid? This system is pretty amazing, right? Keeping y'all under a roof...". To say Fai understood the depth of the man's word would be, well, lying- and doing it stupidly at that! He's a child for god's sake. Yet he felt bad... Just how a man who knows would feel pain from such words. Fai wondered why he felt pain but he could never put a sentence on it, it was a blanc page. But the question of the man was 'what' and not 'why" so Fai answered as he knew; "I feel sad". How easy it would be to switch on and off your feelings as the older people seem to do...They just smile when they want and cry when they want, but Fai can't... He is out of control. He wants to understand why he's always having feelings of his own, reactions of his own... He wants to understand why he has a creeping wish to burn reality with his words, influence and gather, feelings and freedom, words of wisdom, tittles and candies, love and... love and, love. He was thrown off guard by his thoughts, which is why he wants to go in a journey to comprehention. the world was confusing him, he felt it. Even in the darkest days, fire burns to make light when even the moon shies away from the darkness. When he's all alone, everything he was supposed to be with is alone too. But he heard grownups say the universe works like numbers... Fai couldn't see it or even feel it. Fai's teddy bear didn't push him to believe what grownups say so he felt happy with his teddy bear. Wherever he was. *TIME CUT* _it's been 15 years that I'm in this journey. I've discovered that my mother had D.I.D. and couldn't remember much of the story... It was unsettling to think that I blamed all life unfaireness on a woman who had witnessed bigger unfairness from life._ _I also discovered that selfishness often leads to bars... It was a weird deduction but the more I deny it the more scenarios relating "selfishness and bar" pop in my mind and by now, I know when not to force fate; sometimes letting a paper crooked is better because trying anything else could tear it appart, some things are meant to be unpleasant and you can't change them, unless you want something even more unpleasant_ _As for my name and tittles, I left them as reminder of my pain, a crown to prouve my reign over my demons_ _I... was put off by many memories which I'd rather bury on the surface of the sun where they can burn and so do I with them. Yet... there is one memory in particular which still makes me feel unsatisfied, like this journey wasn't over_ _"the world confused him. He felt that"_ _the world... This gigantic, seemingly never ending expands of unknown dark particles surrounded by unknown dark energy being host of many gravitational bodies of magical nature to human, which if inhabited by any new living could mean the end of one of our races because if we follow the theory of evolution; the arrival of a new race on earth is the end of the present one, just how it happened with dinos._ _ This perfectly articulated system of goal oriented creatures working for a cause-consequence sequence of actions leading up to... To... to basically not die, the point of everything on earth is to make human live in such leisury. We could've just lived with watter and reptiles but everything evolved to become all these various living mechanisms which stimulated us to develop coping mechanism of our own to always be a consumers_ _and yet I choose my coping mechanism to be crying on relatable music_ _anyways.._ _I thought a lot about being hurt... and hurting others_ _ I wanted to just stop that joke of a joke of a joke of an excuse people see as "socially acceptable". You accept what you grow to excuse. " I accept stranger danger because you can't know who might be looking for organs to sell" but in fact, most murderer kill people they know because it allows them to "study the prey"_ _I thought about what makes me think I know what's right... At first I freaked out because I had no reason yet everything I thought about seemed reasonable... Not_ _I would argue that in all of us, there is a sense of "right and wrong" and "true or false", the older we get, the sharper our judgements, BUT as we grow we would have an inclination; a preference toward one of the judgements and we'll build many neuro-pathways conserning how to make a system of judgement_ _just like EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD, it didn't start perfect, I had first to feel as a victim, then as a vilain in order to understand right and wrong judgements or to "switch on" the part in my brain to come up with meanings rather than experiences, or to mark "dark territory" and "enlightenment territory"._ _ I would also say that too many dominant moralist take a victim role, and no vilain role, this makes them know in a sense how to mark "dark territories" and enables them to avoid certain actions/words since it's "bad", but the lack or unawareness about needing "a villain role" makes them just put everything that isn't considered bad, good_ _. ON THE OTHER HAND, those who have a tendency of playing the villain role will know the "enlightenment territory" in a sense because what works is good, what doesn't is bad and they end up stepping on dark territories as villain and suddenly everyone hates them, which would make them feel like the victim and maybe they'll have learned a portion of what "bad" is._ _People who never played any role often just rely on showing... fake af. Wisdom comes from playing both roles_ _Oh, and it's worth mentioning that the "villain role" is about trying to do something you feel bad about AND NOTHING ELSE, it's not being a bully, it's just going agaisnt the affiliative nature_ _But we have people who don't care about how they feel within themselves, they consider that unimportant. Their system of judgement is that of someone who can't play roles, they copy actors, they know of the existence of victim and villain, but their preferred judging system is process then decide._ _Their thoughts... but about others feelings._ _"Right" is what they process as a" good character's action", they erase "arbitrary" systems such as the victim/villain arc, then, it becomes a feedback-process system; the more the victims know how to feel in pain by action X , the more "bad" X gets, the more a villain gets good results by doing action Y , the more "good" Y gets_ _Notice how the victims makes what's bad for Fe while Fi villain makes what's good? That is how society's ethics change because if victims show what was good and villain show what was bad then the feedback-process system will smell arbitrary and lack of logic and will disregard them, however, pain is an undeniable "proof of bad" and perfect outcomes with seemingly zero side effects is a twisted "proof of good". We've learned to play well with our cards, hit hard or don't hit._ _even in the midst of all this knowledge, I feel unsatisfied_ _Surprisingly, understanding wasn't my path to take..._ _my path is where people make sense of what I have felt for the longest time: cs joseph dot life_ ouf finally finished the plot! I hope you've read it Chase! You often say or used to say you liked art so I thought of doing this but I'm second guessing myself- what if I'm wasting your time? LAST THING I'LL SAY PROMISE: and here is how you know why some social media has a restraint amount of letters you can use
dude, i loved reading this! your abstractions and occasionally irreverent bombs of abrasive but truthful statements are fascinating (i especially stuck onto the part about stranger danger when in reality, the people we know are more likely to target us)! as an aspiring writer myself, i hope you've got a book or some sort of literary project that you're working on, friend! you've got a story to tell and a way with words to forge your path ahead :D
@@yassimross8625 Omggg this is the most motivational message someone has ever told me 😝😝😘😘😘😘 thank you honey ! My Ne had the time of its life writting this ngl 😆😂😂 I'm happy you enjoyed this Umm nah, I don't really have a project because I wasn't able to get feedback on my first chapters so I never knew if I was bullshiting art or genuinely doing something meaningful 😝 What genre do you write ? 😀
As an ENTP, my Fi is being forked (like in chess) by Ti and Fe -__- it's almost impossible to feel my personal values while their constantly being pushed down by logic and ethics.
I'm going to have to rewatch this one multiple times to really understand and correct me if I'm wrong but if I'm understanding you correctly it sounds like in my case (ENTJ) they base how they feel in certain situations (Fi) based on their Hero (Te), the true false opinions of others. And that's why they ask all of the time "What do they others about a certain subject" because, they're using their responses of others to create their own belief system and determine whether or not other people's opinions make them feel good or bad. Then because of their Fi inferior, their insecurities involve believing that they're not moral individuals and therefore not believing that their belief system is correct and so they're constantly changing it to reflect others who they believe are more moral than them. And because their Te hero is always working they're always continuing to talk to people, find other reference point, research, and redefine their value system of (Fi) to reflect the latest edition of opinions of people that they value. But I'm guessing when they step back, aspire and realize that they are moral people and going after status/success/fame/fortune, etc. doesn't necessarily make them an immoral person, they begin to rely more internally on their beliefs and values as opposed to being a walking encyclopedia of everyone else and finding the inner good in themselves rather than looking to find it in others. Is this correct?
@@CSJoseph I'm trying to tie this all together from and ENTJ standpoint in my ego. My insecurities lie with how I determine something makes me feel good or bad. And it's this way because I'm so reliant on Te Hero to make true false decisions. And therefore I feel something is good/bad because someone who I trust/like respect thinks that something else is true or false. Conversely, this also makes me insecure about my end goals/future (Ni Parent) because I'm once again basing what I want in the future off of others past experiences (Se Child). The circle ends up repeating in both cases, "I want X in my Future because you did X and it made it you feel good, and I like/trust/respect you so therefore I want it because it will make me feel good as well". That's why as an ENTJ many of the people that I look up to are incredibly successful in business/personal development, etc. And I'm assuming that to tap into the subconscious part of my mind, is for me to ultimately realize that I don't have to base whether something is good or bad off of what other people believe and instead go off of what I feel inside. In doing so I have the freedom (Se) that I desire to go after what I want, and I'll know 100% that it's what I want my future to look like (Ni) because it's ultimately based on me and no longer what based off of what other people think. Is that on the right track?
Hello ! I found your videos searching for some more precisions on the cognitive functions. I find this serie relevant, thank you ! Also, it makes me laugh a bit when I hear you talking about how to "manipulate" this type or this other one and especially the way you say it, very free from any ethic or moral (which is very relatable to this special video about Fi users). And I somehow kind of like it. I get your point, it's just that I feel this is soooo ENTP to put it like this because, as an ENFP it totally gives me shiver 🥶, my Fi second function gets crazy 😆. I really appreciated at the end of the video when you brought up the manipulation definition, because it permits (at least for me as Fi second) to get your point better, exactly what you said about perception becoming the reality when there is no explanation.
Can you please make a video on Ti trickster for ENFP's, an how they can deal with it. Yunno the same way you made those videos for Si and Se trickster. I would really appreciate that. Thank you for this video, its very informative.
As an ISTP with demon Fi, I can tell you that Fi makes no sense to me because it only comes out as anger or rage for me throughout my life until present day at 49 years old. Fi is my enemy. I avoid it at all costs. My Ti and Se are badass but Fi is totally useless to me unless I'm being attacked and need rage to attack back.
The thing about making INFPs uncomfortable to get them to do what you want works on me. I will do what you want just so you leave me alone. However, I don't see this working if done everyday because I will avoid you like the plague.
Can you make a video about INTJ-INFP compatibility? I have an INFP male trying to get into a relationship with me (INTJ female) and I'm trying to figure out what I need to watch out for.
I pretty much disagree with Fi is all about diffrentiating the good and the bad, Fi is pretty much about subjectivity. It's not all about the sad, melancholy, or shit like that, feeler doesn't mean we're all sensitive, get angry easily, or do something foolish, etc. It's like a process to understand what's "1+1 =/= 2" in life. Because human nature or even the cosmic has MANY subjectivity to it, universe has many many mystery that if you use logic only you cannot solve it. For example of subjectivity is spirituality, desire, lust, instinct, pride, etc. If u cannot understand it, then all ur logic will just be useless, because you will have those people / energy that will force against you and try to let you down/cancel you
Majority rules is a ridiculous compass for truth. Because as you said, social manipulation is rampant. Rigorous, ethical, and situation-appropriate research methods are a better compass, but still not all that is required to assess a truth.
14:43 hmmm🤔🤔🤔what an interesting thing that you're doing with that pen right there😂😂😂LOL!!!! Anyways is it really impactful to have Fi child???especially on that status thing,i don't necessarily want to be at the spotlights but i will if i see that i have to be,for exaample if i see someone whose in the lead but he is doing it terribly i will tell him to step aside cuz (well) he's doing it wrong.
I am so grateful that I discovered you! Frank James mentioned you in one of his videos and I can't tell you how much I've learned so far from watching yours. I plan on watching every single one multiple times, maybe even take notes because I find this subject matter fascinating and I would love to go into therapy someday. Understanding people comes naturally to me but having a theory and a scientific web of sorts behind it all gives more sustenance and organization to my thoughts. Thank you so much for your videos. You are very inspiring.
Would you please tell me which type uses an “if this action is taken, then that will happen or be the result?” If this, then that, way of processing things. I always base my decisions on that line of thinking. I don’t take action based on feelings.I do that all the time. I’ve always tested INFP, but I’m very logical...have been told by therapists that I’m a logical thinker. Would you please comment on that? I would really appreciate it. However, on the other hand, when I’m expressing my thoughts on something, I often get tangled up and go off on tangents, trying to put together how I think or feel. It’s very frustrating. I do very well communicating through writing. Another thing I’d like to mention is that in school/college, when a paper was assigned, we were always told to make an outline first. That was impossible for me as I never knew what I was going to say on a topic until I was actually writing about it. (I always got A’s on my papers in spite of this.) I would really appreciate your insight into all this. Oh, one more thing. I grew up in an abusive home. My father sexually, emotionally, and mentally abused me and my mother abandoned me emotionally. As a result I have Complex-PTSD and repressed emotions. It wasn’t safe to have emotions in our household. My father would go into fits of rage and eventually use things we might say against us. I also really don’t know who I am.
Just FYI, according to Jungian typology, Fi & Te aren't necessarily on an axis in the middle two functions. Jung stated he was Ti-Ni. He never said anything clear about the I/E order of the auxiliary & tertiary functions. The I/E swapping is MBTI, a branch of Jungian typology. Jung only claimed the dominant & inferior functions would exist on that axis.
As an infp I usually much prefer the supporting role than the limelight. Don't really care much for status or fame, but rather wherever I do end up, knowing that I got there with absolute authenticity, integrity, and of course, talent. I give credit only where it's due, and if there's one thing I cannot stand, it's fame for fames sake. Ie. Talentless, rich celebrities over truly talented nobodies. I do not just jump on any mainstream bandwagon without weighing these things up first.
I'm not an Fi user but I thought what about 'groping'? It's not uncommon for adults to speak of their experiences of groping at a tender age when they say they were never told it was wrong but they always had that inherent feeling that it was 'wrong' and felt their self respect was being violated and alarn bells came on .. And if Fe feeds of Fi , how would Ethics exist without someone's feelings getting hurt by the injustice? Ofcourse Fi ppl are sensitive tho but maybe that's what theyre meant to be... but no excuses for anyone's over sensitivity to escape responsibility!
I'm wondering the same thing, as an ISFP. I absolutely value logic, consistency (the opposite makes me rage inside). I'm an emotional person, but I realize how unrealiable and short-lived my emotions are. Facts and logical truth is what gives my otherwise not so consistent personality some hold.
Do you find that those with an Fe user has a harder time connecting with a Fi user in a romantic relationship? For me having Fi in my 3rd slot, my bf having Fe in his 4th slot... does it make a difference in the commitment level? Fe users make me nervous because they rely on others to determine how they feel about a person? Am I wrong?
So I have pegged myself as an ESFP, does processing emotions go along with Fi? I feel like I do t like dealing with negative emotions, although I have done a ton of self reflection, self growth over the years.. I still at almost 40 really struggle with being present with negative emotions.. do you have any advice for this? Ty
judging people depending on how "out of usual" the act is is hugging usual? yes, then they'll stay within neutral people list is screaming non stop as a "way of talking" usual? no...aaand so I begin to judge how I feel about it, I may not be fair but I can't exacty change my natural mechanisms
INFP here. If someone makes me persistently uncomfortable there is no way I will do what they want. I’ve grown beyond that. I know what sort of discomfort I need to grow and that’s decided by me. Also I don’t plainly take folks with credentials as something I’m “comfortable with”. I have informed and logical perceptions about a person’s competence regardless of title. I think you’ve got a negative/biased view of INFP’s. Someone is very salty and it’s distorting their vision of others’ capacity :)
I get that a lot from INFPs. I say things in a way that gets through to them because I care enough to, despite knowing it will hurt their feelings. As opposed to those in their lives who don't want to risk upsetting them and hold back or just tell them what they want to hear.
The act of deciding whether or not something is good or bad is Fi. Using the truth could technically be Te because the truth is your input. Seeking and finding the truth is Ti. Weighing whether something is true or false is Ti.
I'm questioning my INTP based on this video. Well, I'm always questioning if I'm an INTP tbh lol. As I've gotten older I've noticed I've had my instincts about things and they are based on feelings, granted, I don't stay there, I back it up with logic. I mean, not to pat myself on the back, but while also patting myself on the back...I'm typically right about what I feel. Would that make me an Fi user or no? Or would that be more specific to what exactly I'm using instincts for?
And to clarify, as I got older I noticed it was me "feeling" rather than "knowing". When I was younger I just thought I was a genius and knew everything lol
The original function of fi is too make decisions based on the emotions that have been understood. Fi people need to always understand their emotions because it gives clarity on what's right or wrong! The more clear we understand our emotions the more moral our decisions become. Obviously fi has been misunderstood. Fi is all about exploring emotions to understand them with clarity because that will help make better decisions in life because our identity is more clear when we understand the deepest feelings! This is how I feel about it! 😁 I explore my emotions every day and every moment otherwise I become selfish until I no longer see what's wrong with breaking certain rules that are good for all. That's why ne and se heros break so much rules that are good for them and others.
But emotions are harder to understand. Iam much better when i get sudden access to my ti or te but unfortunately it doesn't stay long. I don't want this emotional life and badly want simple logical life. Iam cursed.
Now i can understand my mom.
How do you explore your emotions every day? What is your ideal conversation/dialogue like?
@@inessalazar945 How do you explore? What's ideal? I'm sorry I'm Te user.
@@mm764 so am I. I was asking how to explore Fi.
Morals vs Ethics..is such a perfect way of describing Fi and Fe..
Well in itself its consistent but making it behaivoural not a great way to put it
Never been a big fan of that supposed distinction - group values vs individual values is far more clear - and that distinction is not really automatic inherent and clear in those terms whatsoever
@@narchelsin7679 Yeah, but Fi can hold internalized group values or originally determined individual values, so no perfect solution.
@@JordanKaufman true. But it's still far better than "morals vs ethics."
@@narchelsin7679 Have you ever researched those terms? I just did and immediately saw the correlation
4:59 - ENTP example - Fi Trickster
6:40 - Will take action when made to feel uncomfortable
8:00 - Respond to news and ppl w/credentials
Soo true about the Fi-hero silently judging! However, I've noticed that I can change my negative opinion of someone to a positive very fast if they do something to deserve it, even if I've disliked them for some time. Still judging ofc but in a very flexible way haha. I think that is important to add to the picture. /INFP
I find that I may judge but I'm kind of distant from my judgemental thoughts. Like, "they're secretly there but never mind them." Lol
Why don’t you ask for clarity
My goodness. There is so much to know...I just want to know it all already. It's killing me that I'm only able to watch this while my kids are asleep. Not enough time
As an Enfp I think that my Fi makes me have strong values and I know what’s is good or bad. But my Ne makes me understand that my view or values are just a possibility that can evolve and I’m always curious to know what other people think or feel about something and why they think it’s true or false or good or bad because of Ne. I’m open to other views , not necessarily that I’ll accept them but I like hearing them. So I think Fi will manifest differently, depending where it’s stacked and how you develop your other functions.
This is my qualm with English as a language. As an Asian person who speaks 5 other languages plus English, your "one thing means another" and "this particular thing actually means the opposite" is nightmarish to explain to my Japanese students who are learning English as a second language. A lot of our dialects and languages can't support the concepts of sarcasms, irony or even satire- and sometimes the direct translation robs the essence of the expressions. - INTP
Very interesting to hear that. Thanks for sharing.
This why I, an INFJ, really like English. It has layers and nuances to allow me to articulate myself more precisely. I love it. However I do sympathize with the difficulty of teaching it to non-germanic (non-indoeuropean? How deep does the split in concept go?) speakers.
I think I see this phenomenon in the Asian film industry. I always wondered what my disconnect was with their movies. I think was the lack figurative speech. The dialogue was always very straightforward. I see that in anime, too. It's especially interesting since they have more iNtuitives over there than Sensors.
@@TheBittenBullet You think Asia has more intuitives than sensors? What makes you think that? Do you have any data?
@@narchelsin7679 No. Just a rumor. I think I heard it from Chase. I asked him how he came to his conclusions about how typology correlates to demographics (since we can't really rely on statistics from inaccurate test results), and I think he said that it would be coming up in future lectures. But I he hasn't yet -- at least to my knowledge.
Hmm.... I think if I'm made uncomfortable/ pushed to do something, that just makes me retreat into my own Fi/Si. For example, I've had a high, maybe secondary Te user (ISTJ?) confront me about not getting something finished, and it was very discouraging, made me feel crappy about myself. I ended up procrastinating more, wanting to get away, somehow >.< However, I can be very motivated when someone makes me believe I am good at something or shows me how a task is meaningful. I can be motivated when I think I can be really useful to others. Or when I am confident in my ability to get it done well. There are other factors in play as well, but I really don't think one needs to necessarily try pushing an INFP in a negative manner. It may have the opposite effect anyway. There are much better ways - inspiration or discussion from a place of values can work magic. If it's something that I don't realize I'm doing wrong, starting with just a calm reasoning conversation can be all it takes. But pushing and discomfort... well, I don't remember any instances in which it truly fixed any problems, especially not long term.
Sofiya Karpina this is so true. Thank you for sharing that. Throughout my life I feel like my dad has been discouraging when he thinks he is helping. I always wanted him to just encourage and ask how he can help me meet my goals instead of saying things like, “Get a life..” He tested as an ESFP. I am a highly sensitive person who tested as an “INFP” although I am on a mission to not make that my identity. I am who Yah says I am. It’s a very lonely path but I know we can get through it.
Same to me! I went much inside! I felt surprised. I think fi just doesn't want it.
Pushing infp's and making them uncomfortable to be able to change them might actually do the opposite. And all these will pile up in their Si. Instead of helping them, all these negativity will serve as a block for their growth.
We live in world where logic and sensory experience is king and as such, emotions and the abstract is invalidated.
@@thekiwisqu33z34 true true true. I'm an INFP 9w8, I think my shadow ENFJ wants to self improve, it's a bit clumsy but the 8 makes me a bit masochistic when it comes to self improvement with pain, all I have to do it let my inferior Te take it instead of my Fi. Immature INFPs don't see the value in how their conflict avoiding nature can be used when you go through the pain thoroughly instead of crying way before the lesson is learned. It's so frustrating to talk to underdeveloped INFPs because in a way I don't think of them as they need to know more knowledge (although that can be true) but there's nothing more real than experiencing the lesson & in my head I'm like "your journey to being more tolerant & more compromising is way too ahead of you" & talk about things I already know, which can be undertimulant to someone who needs more brain stimulation, in way I can listen to a sensor conversation because it's at least coming from a different place, I'm not saying all INFPs but most of them drain me, but that problem can be for anyone of any type who is mature enough to understand this struggle when having relationships with their same type when one of them is underdeveloped in life.
Also I would say in terms of INFPs desiring the lime light I think thats true in terms of envisioning becoming “so powerful and empowering” that we become famous “by chance” because of our “radical authenticity” and for no other reason
Wow id never imagine an INFP wanting fame lol. Im an INFP and i hate the idea of fame or attention. I just wanna live and remain true to self. As id want everyone to do the same.
Please don't ever be persistent in making an INFP uncomfortable, lol. That's just.. too.. mean.
Oh no trust me i will cuz it works lol
They can go ahead and try, but they'll probably be the one who is uncomfortable after Fi calls upon it's righteous wrath
Said an INFP...
Typical
I read recently that morals were about survival of self and ethics was about survival of everyone. Using the term “survival” in this context was telling because as an INFP, even in decision matters that don’t affect anyone but myself I often feel the intensity of moral decision making fighting for my survival when I can easily see the logic behind a different choice. I drive myself crazy.
" 'Beauty is truth, truth beauty,' - that is all ye know on earth, and all ye need to know." -John Keats
And everything else ever said by a Romantic poet (Byron, Shelley, Wordsworth, etc) =Fi
I am a Fi dom and I don't want fame/lime light or things like that. All I want is when I am old and dying I don't wanna regret things that I have done in my Life. I want to find the happiness in little things like seeing the moon, listening to my fav songs, having that leftover ice-cream. Even though life is not a bed of roses as much as I wish it was.
Thanks for not calling Fi users selfish like a lot of people do. They say Fi doesn't feel much if they can't relate to your experience. In reality, when I see someone struggling or going through rough situation I can go from laughing fits and pulling pranks to crying my eyes out and hyperventilating within the span of 1 minute. Even though I have never been to their situation. People are like you don't talk much/cry much.(In my head) I am like oh I definitely do just not with you/in front of you.
I can relate to both. I think what my infp ass wants is "people around me having positive view about me" not fame per se
Interesting video, Chase. I'm an INFP, and although Fi is my preferred function for making evaluations and decisions, I use the other three to varying degrees. I don't agree with some of your assertions such as being very status-oriented. Also, I'm really surprised you didn't mention themes of individuality, authenticity, motive/intent, conviction, and self-referential language when discussing Fi. I'd say the best way to motivate INFPs is to help them feel empowered to make positive impacts. Some of it may come with discomforting times, but I find it highly erroneous to claim that persistence in making them feel uncomfortable (in of itself) is the way to motivate them. It's when INFPs feel strongly convicted about something that they know how to really make things happen.
You say that INFPs are these docile people. I can be very chill guy, but if I'm going to be real with you about something, I may not necessarily come off as "nice". When I channel my introverted feeling in certain actions, it's not for the purpose of trying to "look good" in the eyes of others. It can be to do good, because I know certain people have suffered, and I have the power to make things better for said people. How would I feel if I were in that person's shoes? So yeah, there's the feeling element to it, but if you look more closely, you might find that it ties into looking for core needs of a person, of an individual.
I get the impression you imply people whose personality types have more prominent introverted feeling are going to be more gullible due to believing people with high credentials. Someone with high credentials can be great, but can I trust that person's motive? Is that person being real with me? Fi uses very different criteria when making evaluations. It is similar to introverted thinking, but introverted thinking puts aside personal feelings to search for logically consistent truths.
Z Iquebal I’m sorry but Fi has nothing to do with motive, that is Ne. But INFPs have both Fi and Ne. When the functions combine together they create different behaviors. Most of what you have described is Fi combined with other functions or other functions entirely. Thank you for your comment.
Fi is said to make "good/bad" evaluations. How exactly does it go about that? You said that most of what I described is Fi combined with other functions or other functions entirely. Please elaborate. Also, another thing on discomfort is that the emotionally-sensitive nature of Fi will come with its own brand of discomfort.
Z Iquebal I don’t disagree with you in this comment. Fi makes good bad judgments based on the Te data available. It’s like an inner scale that weighs things out. The more weight the more good. The less weight, the less good... leading to bad in terms of decision making. Si is more focused on comfort but Fi enhances Si’s need for comfort.
i just learned his name is chase lol
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I agree totally! I haven't met a single Fi > Te user who values credentials (including myself, but I'll exclude myself since I could type myself wrong) Credentials are valued by high Te users, not high Fi users. Fi is much more about authenticity & credentials can be used as a facade, which is an instant turn off for high Fi users. For example I get instantly annoyed whenever I hear Reza Aslan listing his credentials again & again. Also I have the ideology that you could be a toddler & present to me a correct theory & I'd accept it if it's right, I don't really care about the credentials.
I thought Fi is all about integrity (inward morality), which makes its users rebellious, sincere, serious, and sometimes cocky.
It just may be. But it takes a Ti + Fe user to build it.
Think your idea that Fi cares about status is one your weakest points. Fi is by definition NOT about external judgement, as this would contradict its own internal judgments in many instances. In an infp, Fi is the starting point and Te may be used to justify this, but status is not motivational for an infp, nor are "credentials"
ajobimlover I think you need to watch my cognitive synchronicity videos. In them you will learn that ones sense of self worth (Fi) is based on the collective thoughts of others (Te) aka status because they are inherently linked and on an axis. I also recommend my video on cognitive axis. After reviewing these, I believe you will see how I came to this conclusion.
ajobimlover here is the link to the axis video I was referring to: ruclips.net/video/swpwQLB1yxo/видео.html
Thank you. I'm not disagreeing that we have "cognitive axes" but I'm not so sure that they work the way you describe. Doesn't it make more sense to say that our perceiving function is what provides the raw data to feed our primary judging function, and not another judging function? Doesn't the fact that they are opposed both in orientation (E/I) and in "method" (T/F) mean that they are dealing with two different realms altogether and that our decision-making will overwhelmingly prefer the orientation and method of our primary judger, especially if one is "hero" and the other our 4th (forgot name)
ajobimlover it does make more sense but that is not how it works in practice. This is where things like the demonic child comes into place or the demonic parent. Certain functions can team up with each other. It is not just one sequence in a string. It’s more like an Abacus or a pool full of floaters that all interact with one another as is necessary for integration
Take a practical example. An INFP choosing a career. Let's forget for a moment that INFP's are known for choosing careers not because of status but because of what they like (or at least, that's what most infp's want to my knowledge). An INFP may have some conscious awareness of status considerations because Te is in the conscious stack; however, according to my understanding of the function stack, Fi judgements will take strong precedence over any Te considerations (that are sort of floating in the background of consciousness- perhaps raising questions, but getting flooded by a wave of Fi
motivating INFP by making them feel uncomfortable that just sounds mean and manipulative
I guess it depends on the context of the situation but generally negative motivation does not work in a long run. Encouragement, positive belief and positive feedback make wonders
It's all in the intent, I suppose.
They tried to motivate me by that way but they failed but they made me uncomfortable. It's no use.
Jakub TheDanger oh well
It is what it is
You know those emotional literacy color wheels that list like, 100 emotions? I’m an ESTP (Fi POLR) and my color wheel only consists of the 3 primary colors: hungry (yellow), angry (red), and asleep (blue).The fact that some people have such a finely-tuned emotional compass that they use it to navigate the world... truly mind-blowing.
ISFP here. This is very pejorative and off the mark. Feeling and thinking are two different modes of evaluating and for some reason you think the FIs evaluations are inferior - selfish, shallow or faulty.
I am pointing out their evaluations are subjective
Rewatching this after an year is really helpful bcz i have noticed my surrounding people and understand them much better than i was.
Thank you so much for explaining how Fe users "absorb" Fi. I was wondering all the time if I'm INFP or INFJ because morality plays a large role for me, but in many other situations, the INFJ functions seem to fit better. Now that you mentioned it, yes, you're right, I make my moral decisions based on feeling into people who are expressing their morality. That's pretty fascinating. But as it is my auxilliary function, it still comes pretty intuitive so that I never really realised it.
I’m an INFP male. Having Fi as opposed to Fe kinda sucks because it keeps from acting out things that I know will hurt people, but it doesn’t motivate me enough to act out altruistically. It’s easy to get selfish that way, and being selfish is the last way I’d think any INFP would like to be described. It’s something I’ve had to learn to pay attention towards.
Yes, the hero function takes itself for granted and rests on it's laurels.
We don't want status we want self respect and honor.
Honor is a form of status bro
Isn't honor Si ?
Runaway TV duty is Si, and duty is pretty similar to honor, so yeah, kind of
Yes, introverted functions are primarily internally derived and self referencing. Status is externally referencing and has little relationship to fi. Chase seems to 'dislike' fi and have some distorted perceptions. He's likely either ENTJ or entp, so either fi inferior or fi polr. These positions would make understanding conscious use of the function most difficult.
@@CSJoseph or maybe status is a form of honour
I disagree with the credentials part. It directly contradicts with the core value of Fi: authenticity. Te > Fi would value credentials, that makes it a Te characteristic, not Fi one.
I don't know why but I do sense a Ti-Fe bias in your analyses, maybe because you are one or maybe because you appreciate them more (INTPs for example)
or ignorance. Iam not satisfied with this video. His most other videos are great.
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I agree! I'm not entirely sure of my type, when I'd written this comment I was under impression that I am an ISFP (based on the same test I'd taken multiple times & Dave SuperPowers' method) but now when I've given multiple other tests as well as tried Enneagram & Chase's method, INTP is more likely of me. Even then I'd say this video of his isn't correct, haven't seen any Fi > Te person who'd value credentials so much.
What I'm picking up is that Fi hero does value credentials but since Te is unconscious they won't necessarily make the connection about what's driving their thinking.
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That could be the reason, but the 'disgust'/annoyance I've seen on Fi > Te people when someone shows off their credentials makes me think that it's a Te trait to admire credentials. Although I myself am not sure of my understanding of definitions of functions now so I can't be sure.
Yes, Chase is a Ti/Fe user, he's an ENTP.
As Fi pairs with Te, the statement that Fi users value credentials is correct because they're also Te users. Sure, if Fi is higher in their stack than Te, they won't value them as much as a more dominant Te user, but the statement still stands.
Yes, Chase values INTPs, his videos on us (I'm probably INTP) are incredibly glowing, almost makes me blush :)
From other videos, my understanding of Fi Demon is this: "I dont care anymore; Im doing what I feel like doing, what makes me feel good, and morality is what I say it is." Think of Alex from A Clockwork Orange. He has a made-up system of morality (the little bit he has), and is absolutely Epicurean in the most immoral ways possible. He justifies his atrocities through a twisted Demoniac Fi.
It seems there are 2 variations of Fi Demon in action: omni-destruction, and self-destruction.
Omni-destruction is like I described. Twisting morality in every sense, justifying horrific atrocities, having no regard for anyone's feelings but it's own, etc. Using Fi for the destruction of others.
Self destruction, the common one, is justifying all manner of debauchery to oneself. Sexual deviancy, substance abuse, laziness, general self destruction.
Being an INTP, I know I have to watch out for that stuff. Of course, take all this with a grain of salt, I still havent verified all this.
There is nothing more logical than doing what is best for everyone (yes this includes ALL angles) - INFP 5w4
I remember when I was 18 or so I accidentally spread a rumor about myself and could not stop it, so I decided to pretend it was true because I didn't want to go and tell people I had lied in the first place... and I remember this moment so vividly, when I thought to myself, I can choose to believe it's true and I will think it's true, but then I chose not to, because I felt it would be morally bankrupt of me to do so and it was fair that I had to live with knowing I had lied and hadn't been brave enough to admit it.
In another instance, I was in danger and I literally tricked myself into thinking I was pregnant and this strange hypermotivation kicked in that gave me the nerve to get myself out of that situation.
Fi considers the human element because it sees behavior as subject to change based on situational factors.
Accurate data is very important, therefore you need Fi to interpret its value.
Learning so much from a man who doesn't seem to like enfps but is full knowledge none the less.
It is natural for someone like me to dislike them. See season 12 playlist on this channel and it explains why.
People who have deliberately tested my resolve and also tried to make me feel uncomfortable......... have regretted it. I have a very calm relaxing demeanour. But if you test me, you will wish you were Tony Stark, because I will go Hulk.
Can you give us an example of when this happened, I am quite curious about how it went down lol.
@@jannah5921 He didn't do shit. He is an edge lord trying to llok badass on the internet. Pathetic
One more thing, Si is arguably more comfort-seeking. Fi seeks authenticity.
excellent work as always! I would like to add that some of us Fi users can actually interpret logic, and recognize truth... however, we don't respect it the same way a Ti user does. in other words, we don't always follow or reject a course of action because we don't know the truth, or it's 'good' or 'bad,' but because we are going to do what we want to do in spite of the truth. so, while I consider the truth or logic of a decision and I consider whether it's good or bad, in the end, I always go with what I want (which I deem as 'good' 😅), whether makes sense or not. -ESFP
You may think you are good at determining the truth logically as an Fi user, but 95% of the time, that's just your Te recognizing what's seems the most probable to be the truth. Ti users also often do what they want despite knowing the true. The truth, after all has no value on its own without Fi morality or Ni desire. But the way they determine the truth is different from a Te user.
In these early videos chase didn't really fully explain Te and Fi, but essentially, Te uses inductive reasoning, which means it essentially uses EVIDENCE to see what is MOST LIKELY the truth, and then it accepts that as the truth. It can be biased as to what evidence it looks at tho, especially if it's a higher Fi user with lower Te, because the way a Te user decides if something is good evidence or not, is by evaluating it with their Fi.
Ti logic is different tho. It doesn't look at evidence at all, it doesn't care about evidence to begin with. Ti ONLY cares about PROOF. Because proof is DEFINITELY true, so long as your most basic information is also true.
The problem with Ti is Ti users HAVE TO make some basic assumptions before they can use their logic. For example before you can tell me what a + b is equal to, you have to know what a is equal to and what b is equal to. If you assume the wrong values, then your final answer will also be incorrect. So Ti users need a way to decide what they will assume to be true. This is what they rely on Te users for. But again, if a Ti/Fe user let's other peoples VALUES decide what they believe, rather than looking at and processing the Te input of other people, then their final answers will also be biased and skewed.
@@zile8869 No, Ti users come up with almost all of the discoveries of fact and always have. Te users are irrelevant to it. Learning facts isn't Te, Ti-Si learns facts as does Te/Se.. the only thing that's Te is teaching impersonal material or trusting sources without self checking, which Ti users often reject if it makes no sense. Most Ti users haven't used Te like that since they were kids
The field of economics/finance is basically witch doctory at this point because Ti users get bullied out of the space and it's all about Te consensus of an Fi belief system.
If you use Ti instead of Te and say a truth you will be laughed out of the room because everyone knows that's not the truth and you have no credentials For example;
"The whole trickle down idea breaks down if the rich don't spend their money at the same rate as the poor and thus decrease net productivity compared to inflation through wealth gain. Therefore the wealthy are draining society by investing in non productive assets (no goods or services are produced and minimal wages are paid by this money cycling around the economy). However non productive assets such as land and housing (without improvements), commodities and shares are the only winners in the economy since 2008 at least, so logically the rich continue to invest in them. And governments happily use this false economy to prop up the numbers to avoid revealing the truth of living standards dropping rapidly and keep the elderly land owning voter base from realising they're destroying the future for their kids and grandkids"
There is a guy called Gary Stevenson on here who states those opinions, but even he is a Te user whose Ni believed he was smarter than others, and he has to bring up his money making betting on wealth inequality increase and worse living standards (credentials to be listened to). And he had to discover this by being told to use Te to ask family and friends how they were doing (he's from a poor background), not working it out on the trading floor
Thank you for explaining this function clearly and with examples. Very helpful!
So true about not bringing things up to prevent imaginary outcomes it's so hard to break that habit
You said in this video that in order to motivate an INFP make them uncomfortable which causes their Si child and Fi hero to start sounding the alarms but isn’t that technically attacking their child function which is what you yourself have referred to as child abuse?
sometimes its warranted. Sometimes you have to publicly shame your INFP to get them to do anything.
HAHAHHA Dying “You wouldn’t know but someone with Fi hero is judging you to your face without you even knowing” Sooo tragically true - Im an INFP who is working on that through studying how everyone works through MBTI so thankful for your vidz!!
Also I die laughing at all your videos - the way you hate on logical fallacies makes me bust uppp
Hearing T over F bias in this one! ;) 'The truth' in a logical decision-making process is only true as far as what you know about the situation. All truth is a sliding scale of subjectiveness with the exception of maths.
I will never claim being unbiased
Dave Cross
Agreed! Maybe it's Chase's Fi trickster that puts the bias :P
I agree Dave Cross. And with the exception of any natural science I would add. But for anything with a subjective nature I'd never use the word "truth" - rather "opinion". /ISFP
10:06 Viewer note. Fi description picks up more concisely.
It’s not based on good or bad, it’s based on like/dislike, without any reasoning.
If you look deeper into the definition of and studies done on emotions and feelings, you will find that they are not just based on good or bad, although that could be part of the expression of a particular individual at a simplistic level. "You are a bad person because of" this or that. (But even here, one could say that the person lacks a level of intellect to think that someone is a bad person across the board, based on a particular belief they hold, Fi or not.) Emotions, feelings and how people make judgements is much more complex than just a matter of good or bad, as you state. You are missing addressing the background at how individuals arrive at their feelings about the world and events. The scientific community is only just beginning to understand what feelings and emotions are at a deeper level. There is a lot we don't know. We are also just starting to research consciousness. MBTI teaching doesn't seem to address this either to any depth, which is highly problematic, especially when we talk about it as being a rigorous study of human behavior or give it too much credit. Ive not read all of Jung's theories but I do know that he didn't see the human mind as so intensely polar as MBTI teaches. He did have conflicting theories to those that MBTI cherry picked.
But back to your Fi discussion... Feelings and emotions are based on perspective and can also have a somatic element to them, as described as an "emotional experience". Perspective is based on life experience, intellect, types of logic used, physical sensitivity, birth order etc. How we feel about things is derived from all of these. It's a much more complex conversation than just describing it as a good or bad value judgement which is in itself inaccurate. We all use logic and feelings/emotions to make decisions. Are some peoples decisions based on different types of logic? Sure. Are some peoples decisions colored by the depth of emotion that they are able to feel? Possibly. Are those who use emotions as a decision making process less logical? Of course not. The back end of emotions and feelings includes logic and analysis. So here we need to understand that it depends on the particular person as to how logical or useful or accurately they are assessing a situation. This may go back to consciousness. How conscious are they as a human, and even, what does that mean?
An argument of the semantics around the use of the word "morality" and "ethics" is also necessary as a response here due to the fact that morality is defined by you as what one sees as good or bad. You define ethics as being exhibited in yourself as being neutral and morally vacant. Ethics is generally defined as a personal code of conduct, (especially in law, business and medicine). People who study ethics as a career use the terms interchangeably, and so your argument is confusing to me. What are you saying the difference is? Morality is also a code of ethics is it not? Or are you saying that morality is just based on a momentary "emotional experience"?
You also don't seem very neutral in your discussion about Fi. It seems as if you disrespect it or even emotions in general as displayed by your tone of voice. What logic leads you to these feelings?
--- Signed, boxed in as an INFP who is not judging you but parts of your argument while also observing some of your behavior. But while being a critic on this video, I also get that you're putting yourself out there and doing the work to be judged while offering others a platform to state their case, so I thank you and give you props.
thank you, also why do I have to be neutral in my argument? Just because I am biased doesn't give you or anyone else the license to not listen to me. Bias does not necessarily mean less accurate.
Stephanie! This is an excellent post here. I'm going to go back over it and re-read it when I get a chance. Quick question for you: would you say Fi could also involve aesthetic appreciation, preferences, and other amoral (not immoral) contexts? Another thing, Chase could come off as biased against emotion because of where Fi lies in his unconscious. But as he's mentioned elsewhere, Fe child really does care about the feelings of others.
"Bias does not necessarily mean less accurate". How can you, as a logical thinker, say that? Of course it does, in case your bias prevents you from understanding/wanting to understand Fi correctly. Naturally objectivity increases credibility. I do find your videos very informative and interesting though, even if I don't recognize myself (isfp) in all your statements.
@@salukyh There's no such thing as an "unbiased truth". Every human and society on earth has a bias, since our perspective is limited to our experience. The perspective of every human on earth is biased to the range of experiences they can get on earth(and/or the surrounding planets).
@@151yaron There is. Natural sciences consist of pure provable facts, truth. I agree most other things are subjective, if not all.
INFP here and I detest use of "my truth" or "your truth." Truth is truth. I'm not entirely sure we're the types who, generally speaking, gravitate to that (if it can correlate to type).
It can. Usually in Te Child/Inferior (Ti Trickster/Demon)
Idk I’m an INFP and I don’t really judge people or think things are either good or bad really the opposite. I think when you make up your mind like that you fail to see the truth and I care more about making decisions rationally. I just try to understand why people think what they think. I interpret Fi more like, you care about how others will be affected by a decision, which is a rational way to think. But reducing conflict is also part of it
From this video
I came up with one definite conclusion
You are ENTP for sure
About my Fi, I got more insight, will have to think about how to digest all this info
Nevermind....after listening more I realized I absolutely don't base the way I feel about something on what others think. That I'm absolutely certain of
If you're gonna be persistent about making me uncomfortable... Sure, eventually I might cave. But you may notice you'll see me around less. That I talk less. And that I stop being vulnerable around you. Because if you're not just making me uncomfortable but TRYING to do so... Why would I try to be around you and why on earth would I tell you things that you can use to do so?
because if you are a rational human being, and have been alive long enough you would understand that we as human beings survive by being exposed to uncomfortable situations, its like if you raised a kid in space where gravity (no conflict) is non-existant their bones are gonna be hollow and mallow, while if you raise them on earth (conflict) their bones are gonna be strong, the longer you push conflict away the less you will be able to deal with it, and since life is nothing but constant conflict you wont last long enough, and if you do you wont be able to achieve your dreams and goals.
just for some background info I always hated conflict and prefered harmony, and I still do mind you, but if I no longer prioritze feeling happy over fixing a problem or facing conflict.
if there are people that you know trying to incite conflict chances are they want to help you, no problems are sovled with out conflict. in the long run after you have fixed those problems you can truly live in true happiness
@@omarma7815 Addressing a problem wasn't what I was referring to. What I was referring to was pressing buttons, saying and doing things for the purpose of bothering me, to get me to do what you want. Say, significant other of an INFP thinks they're getting chubby, may just prefer they lose some weight for aesthetic reasons, but also may be concerned for their health. They can bring it up and have an adult conversation about it, this is fine. I am not against communicating when there's an issue, that is not what I was talking about. What's not fine if they don't see results quickly enough if the INFP agrees to work on it, the INFP decides not to work on it for whatever reason, or they skip said conversation entirely, and then start constantly dropping derogatory comments about how fat they are and how ugly that makes them. If you do that or similar things (even if less 'extreme' but still in the same category), you're an asshole I don't need in my life and you can kindly fuck off.
I love ur videos. I'm watching everything in ur channel all day all night. thank u so much.
This is rather perplexing. As an infp I have done things in the past due to instinct and sometimes looking on the outside it seems irrational or whatever but then in the moment it was justified because I acted with my gut and intuition I guess or is it simply my fear acting in the moment....I act differentlyrin intense situations including freeze response or the other response which is fight...very conflicting thoughts on this one...good content. 😊
It’s kind of a crazy coincidence that all of my personal beliefs and morals just happen to be the correct ones
So an Fi is about how they feel n an Fe is about how others feel?
YES, FABULOUS
Yup
Simply said I’m loving the Sky by you
yeah I got a new one
I can tell this is your blindspot as your ubderstanding of how this fuction works is superficial and still (at least in this video, I think less so in later ones) more of an attempt to understand it and to tap into it rather than a true, visceral understanding. It is like you are probing it with a stick and examining it - and uour words are still littered with suspicion for the foreign.
As someone who has auxillary Fi, which I resisted embracing and did not fully value - out of a guilt and worry of being selfish (yay, Fe critic) - till I was about 30, I have learned to ubderstand Fi not only as not only a willingness but an inability not, to follow their own value system. I can’t do something just because the tribe wants me to. Doing so feels like a betrayal of who I am. I will follow my own values, even if I feel guilty doing so, because not doing so feel immoral and inauthentic to me, which are cardinal sins for someobe with high Fi.
Two examples of how this has played out in my life:
1. My mother had a hard time dealing with my grandmother’s illness and in her inability to deal wanted me to also not visit my grandmother. I think in her mibd if I didn’t go it would validate her own choices. She wanted loyalty to the tribe. I needed to be loyal to my own values and relationship with my grandmother and went regardless of my mother’s disapproval. This resulted in my mother not speaking to me for almost a year, which I knew in my gut would likely be the result. But I needed to go. Self over tribe. Own moral values over harmony.
2. About 12 years ago I feel in love with a friend of mine, a woman who had supported me in setting up my own business. When this happened I did not push the feeling away but allowed them to happen and evaluated them - why was I feeling this, what did it mean for my marriage at the time, etc. For me it wasn’t an option to just pretend the feelings were not there and meant nothing. Before acting on them I discussed them with my partner and evaluated options. Honesty is a very strobg value for me, both towards myself and others. Pretending everything is fine or there isn’t an emotional elephant in the room for the sake of harmony and not making others uncomfortable makes me feel like a chartalan.
It has always been my role to confront others with emotional truth. To call them on their bullshit and self lies. And I do this regularly with others.
This is not about status. It is about honor. It is, as you discuss in other, later, videos about not choosing expediency. It is not as simple as good and bad. It is also about truth, but in a different way than truth for the Ti user. It is about going into one’s fear and choosing love and honesty, and helping others do that. This is how a Fi user can be a warrior.
You are right about perceptions being leading - but I would frame it as intentions. If someone makes a poor moral or social choice I will view this differently based on their intentions. Were they protecting themselves and others were unintentionally collateral damage or was there intent to harm? These things matter to us and will dictate how we deal with a situation and whether we let someone into our life.
You, for example, seem to have good intentions in your understanding here. Your grasp of how this particular function works is childish at best, but you are genuinely searching for truth. You are not trying to judge, you are failing to fully understand because you lack deep personal experience with this function as a decision maker.
the road to hell is paved with good intentions
you are so right! cj joseph doesn't get infps, it's his weak spot
Speaking of the English language, what's the difference between the Unconscious and the Subconscious?
subconscious is the opposite of the ego. It also holds the anima and animus. The unconscious is the immature form of the ego that is passive but can be made active.
INFP here, thank you for this video !
Your channel is impressive in volume and there are many gems in the content. They are rain gems though, there's no map as to where to find them, there are everywhere in small quantities, so it's kind of a nightmare to collect them if you don't look for anything specific.
Which is sad, because gems are pretty not matter what their colour is.
(this is a plea for motivated people to contact me so we can condense all the transcendent stuff you said, please, anyone?)
Several things were very spot on and rather original on RUclipsLand :
-o-o-o 'they(INFPs) want to feel good about what other people think of them'
--- Ohhh yes, terribly accurate and definitely one of the keys to read our behaviour. I hate to think that others might think I behaved badly. To the point where I act out of fear of people thinking I did something bad. Which I think is bad. A classic INFP problem.
-o-o-o 'Fi-hero, they're *always* *aware* of how they feel about you or anything else' (/they judge you instantly to your face/)
--- It took me a long time to think of and then believe the fact that most people don't have a constantly updated "how I feel" about everything. I still tend to forget. That's part of the reason why I really don't want to be seen doing anything bad. And that's part of the reason why "being social" growing up was very tough, I still have to remind myself that people's intentions aren't as bad as they may seem, they just don't feel the consequences.
--- About not telling how we feel and *silently* judging, it's either this or perpetually being in conflict with everyone. Our "judgement" is constantly updated, and very small things will bug us. We're too caught up in updating and "feeling" (see below) to come up with a good way to talk about what we feel should be talked about. But at least, we register all the information and form our own opinion, INFP perception of truth is that it's all the 'felt opinions', and we want to contribute.
-o-o-o '100% of all social interaction is manipulation'
-o-o-o 'Fi wants to feel status'
--- Sure, I mean, given the pains that we go through to appear moral and be moral, it would be nice if people respected our person.
--- Fame is meh, a lot of people watching you, just makes the job of looking good tougher, plus people can have negative emotions towards you.
(--- Woaw, I don't fantasize about being a sidekick in the form of a wife)
--- Respect for whatever ability you have is a lot more precious than fame. Trust in our good intentions, gratefulness for our willingness to be patient/to help, that's a lot better than fame.
Some things that disturbed me out of my comfiness :
-o-o-o "INFPs are very docile"
--- We do have Ne over Si... Ne doesn't do docile that well... Okay okay, we're "docile" in a lot of ways. My initial reaction is hating you for saying that though (sorry, I reined myself in :D I promise). My gut reaction is very strong, I'm aware it sounds very violent using the word 'hate' but it's the most accurate.
-o-o-o "they(INFPs) always want to have a good experience, they want to feel comfy at all times"
--- LOL I can't shut my mouth on that ! First of all, I think it's in contradiction with "INFPs are very docile", here's why.
We want to feel good at least as much as the next person does. But we also experience a lot of negative emotions (see precedent point) that we can't avoid and that we have to "digest" until they calm down because Fi has this kind of rule of "Respecting Emotions" or something, and basically, if you feel sad, you have to focus on the sadness until you don't feel that sad anymore. In short, a side of our docility is in accepting whatever emotion comes to us and just "feeling" it, even if that emotion is making us have a terrible experience.
"Okay, but this bad experience is forced upon you" well, it's forced upon me only up to the point where Fi is forced upon me. I find that Te is often an antidote for "feeling bad" that I don't manage to use. I'm feeling bad, and then suddenly I realize that there's no point in moping and that I should get on with my life without thinking about "feeling bad", but I just don't manage most of the time. We can't cheat out of bad emotions like xxTJs can.
I'm not unreceptive to "bad signals" that trigger "bad experiences" and Fi makes sure I don't fluke "feeling bad". From my perspective, "they always want to have a good experience" applies a lot more to people that aren't disturbed that much by their emotions. Somehow, they dodged the bad part of life...?
I would say that "do they want to have a bad experience or what?" is more accurate than "they always want to have a good experience" as a description of Fi.
Random things I want to comment on :
-o-o-o "To motivate an INFP, you need to make them uncomfortable"
--- hummm... if uncomfortable = guilty, then yes, that's efficient ! if uncomfortable = public shame, it might work, or not, but the idea makes me too uncomfortable to say anything that makes sense.
Good luck finding the Fi triggers for guilt though hahaha, they're not the same as Fe triggers for guilt... If Fe triggers work, it may be juste because of "INFPs want to feel good about what others think of them"-fear. An INFP knows when they have been forced to do things. They will remember and won't feel good about you until you do something really nice seemingly sincerely.
I really really struggle understanding Fi.
If everything were to be judged based on feelings, nothing will progress, because everything, literally, is bound to fail. Humans are bound to fail, systems, anything. Fi is especially harder to understand when it is dominant, there's some kind of a demand (for others) to be morally perfect by the Fi users, or else, they will just discard you because you don't make them feel good.
Of course, they do give time for the other person to "fix" their behavior according to the Fi user's liking, but the threshold is going to be low, and once that person messes it up, its done, its over. Ironically, Fi users expect people to be authentic while at the same time they refuse to realize that perfection in moral isn't something permanent, because, we are bound to fail. They can be really harsh, even for a small trivial mistake, they have very very low tolerance and will not think twice to just cut you off like you're so worthless and deserve not even a minute to be heard, and like you're some kind of a criminal that had done a very very horrible crime even worse than a mass murder. In turn, I, when they treat me that way, I also regret I ever gave them my time.
And Fi users simply won't put up with my straightforwardness, i gotta arrange my words in such a way that will please their ears because of their tendency looking for motives and agenda behind everything I say as if I'm just inherently evil and they're so morally perfect they gotta judge me, my thoughts, and suspect me, etc, i can't even relax around them. The vibe around them is so uptight, gotta walk on eggshells around them and be very careful, don't let the fragile eggshells break. They prefer tactfulness, I prefer straightforward truth, no more no less. We value different things and my values tend to be seen as immoral by them.
They, as I said, have no problem cutting people off even faster than the speed of light. Did it ever cross to their minds that neither do they make the Ti users feel comfortable with their overly sensitive and uptight behavior that really, I myself have billions of reasons why I should just walk away from them because of how stressful they make me feel but I put up because I care about them (and I mean the Fi users in my life), but oftentimes, it's not reciprocated with the same amount of love and empathy from them. It really always feels like I'm àt their mercy.
I'm just ranting.
Fi is a very hard function to understand, even for Fi doms, and by your personal experiences, it seems like the Fi doms in your life really has to do some shadow work. Those traits you describe above is basically what an unhealthy IXFP looks like. (failing to see beauty in imperfection, forcing values into other people, not taking criticism well, etc)
I also think you actually do understand Fi, because you claimed that humans are just bound to fail which is what Fi is about, beauty in the imperfection of the individual. I think you are struggling to understand Fi users in your life rather than Fi in general.
But if you want to understand Fi better, remember Fi is not about progress. Thats the Job of Te. The purpose of Fi is to remind the TJ world, that individual values doesnt always have to be justified with logic, reason or rationality. Crushing individuality for the purpose of maximum efficiency is, as the history would tell you, not a very good idea.
It's exactly how i think of this function, what's your type i wonder?
@@Cinderella-mc8kf INTP
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People confuse between Fe and Fi. Fi user don't judge the world based on feelings, infact he judge the world based on data because he is Te user. But at the same time, he cares about his own feelings so he takes decisions that makes him feel good. Because for him, primary priority of life is living happy life. And Fi users are the last one to demand or expect something from others because expectations hurts when it's not fulfilled. And it doesn't feel good for them and they don't do something that doesn't feel good for them. So the person who is expecting moral behavior from you is definitely not an Fi user.
Would it be reasonable to say that high Fi is "spending time self-regulating ones emotions and/or feelings" so as an INTP with Fi demon I allow my emotions to happen to me rather than spending time on self-regulating them since i spend so little of my time in Fi, while an INTJ with Fi child spends lots of time self-regulating emotions and actually enjoy doing that?
I really don't think true Ti users use Fi at all. We use Fe/Ti to try to work out if we are treated fairly and ethically by our own logic and Fe assessment of how others are treated and behave. We compare our treatment to how others are treated and see if it makes sense. We seek justice. If there is no consistent justice we get upset. Ti/Fe looks like Fi, but it is not. Fe fuelled by Ti however often gets blunted before it really assesses how the person feels, so many Ti doms really struggle to even feel what they feel. They often think and can express that they are frustrated, but feel no emotion. It makes it all the more bad when the Fe takes over, because usually the Ti dom has to feel so wronged that the emotions are high, and usually the other party has upset them for a reason and disagrees, furthering Fe's hurt and making the Ti dom feel nobody cares and it makes no sense. Fe users struggle when groups don't share their ethics and truths and their Ti rules don't apply
Fi users do not care about the Fe assessment of their feelings or whether it makes sense or not, they know what they feel and why, and only they have any say. What upsets them is people acting against their morals and it matters not at all what anyone else has to say. What Te does there is tell the Fi user what they should do about it. But Te fuelled Fi often shuts down any action or practicality. An Fi dom may often feel upset but like there is no point trying to fix it or act on it. But when Te takes over it's because the Fi user is feeling so upset that they need to release it and again, they were upset for a reason and taking action externally just leads to others thinking they are crazy, triggering Te fighting, and Fi dom then feels like everybody is a bad person. Te users struggle when individuals don't share their beliefs and identities and their Fi values aren't valid to those people
@@dxfifa It's physically impossible to not use a function at all, at least as I understand the functions.
Fi Is Good For Knowing The Map Of Feelings.
When It Comes To Truth, Wouldn't Fi Be Corolating The Feeling Of Confidence With The Rational Of A Thought ?
Yes. So Fi can value anything. If Fi values a Te rationale, then it can appear like Ti. But it's not true Ti. True Ti would be looking at a Te rationale and compare it to their Ti facts. They'll say, if this is true than therefore that must must be true/false. I don't do that. I just tend to look at Te rationale and value it.
I think Fi-Te users listen more to people with a certificate is because their are lacking own true-false judgement. They don't know if what the person is saying is true because they don't know how to figure it out. A certificate is a proof that an institution has proofen that the person knows something. So they outsource the true-false judgement to an institution because they can not do it.
A lot of fidgety energy when you're seated still ...explains why you enjoy recording on a walk😂🗿
I was your 1000th like on this video. You're welcome. x'D
All social interaction is manipulation 💯 when I think about things I realize this
This: disputes between Ts and Fs often boil down to a fundamental philosophical disagreement about whether feelings and values count as “facts”.
As Fi it is quite clear to me that feelings are facts of reality, and they should play a part in logical decisions
Ti Logic is like a calculator.
1+1 = 2 is literally a logical statement. If you have 1 thing and you add another you logically have to now have 2!
Fi morals/values however are subjective. I see eternal life as good and a valuable thing for humanity to pursue. Others may see it as bad.
In a way, yes, values ARE facts. Because it is definitely a FACT that I value eternal life. But whether or not I value it has NO EFFECT on the logical truths regarding eternal life, what it is, what it leads to and how to get it. Our values only determine what we will choose to do once we already know the truths regarding eternal life.
Think of it like this:
The truth can exist without the good, but the good CANNOT exist without the truth. The truth provides substance, aka, a framework for the good to exist on.
But the good in return, gives meaning and value to the truth. For example, even if you know the truth that jumping off a bridge will kill you, it will not matter in the slightest to you if you don't have any good/bad values regarding your life. The truth has no meaning or value without the good.
You can be the smartest person in the world, knowing everything, but still be unsuccessful because you have no concept of what to value and what not to value, so by extention you have no concept of what something as subjective as success even is. If you live or die, it won't matter to you, so even if you know something will have a 'negative' outcome, you don't care, because you don't see the outcome as negative or positive!
So anyway, my point is:
Truth should ALWAYS come first, else our values won't get us to the 'good' outcomes we are looking for. You NEED to put aside how you feel and risk getting offended ro get to the bottom of the truth FIRST, and only then should you focused on what you value.
But we should also remember that the only reason the truth even matters at all is because of the good.
I think what I am getting from the meaning of Fi is that it points to one being true to one's own conscience, however it may be formed at the time even if it is misinformed like for example belonging to a sect like the "Jehovah's Witnesses" and refusing to celebrate your birthday based on how your personal conscience is formed, or, better said, even MISINFORMED. You're still following your conscience.
Fe Dom I used to know who would always tell their Fi User BF:"Would you rather be right, or would you rather be happy?" Always thought that was sort of funny
Ti = care of what is
Ti + Ne = abstract "what is"
Ti + Se = concrete "what is"
focus on what/how/why is working
From my humble perspective
Fi = care of how is (good, beautiful, harsh, soft, small, big, empty, full of.. ect) like tasting something
Fi + Ne = abstract " how is "
Fi + Se = concrete "how is "
Focus on what/how/why is benefit
In my opinion Fi care about truth not the same way as Ti.
Ti identify truth while Fi taste truth. Or
Ti see truth while Fi live truth.
Correct me if i'm wrong i'm a simple INTP.
*takes a deep breath* well folks, it's time for informative to kick in (this comment is a story, plz read if you have time, RELAX TOO. Your stress level needs to go down, not up)
who want to know a story of a child called Fai?
Fai was often written Fi thus he wanted to have an identity. Fai wanted to stand out so that he could correct everyone and show them how to write his name correctly
he knew he had a lot to do considering he was thought to be a weak child. Fai had to stand strong to reach the end of his journey. "The journey to comprehension" he called it.
The world was hurting him, he felt it. He felt that... People tried to change him and shape him into a marionette of recorded reactions; "oh so sad so sad you ough to be when they tell you they'll go. But ah how glad, how glad you are to help them pack" because that's what was supposed to happen.
But he had a set of reaction of his own... What would happen of them if they never existed in reality? Would they become the fruit of his imagination? Or is there a world where he'll find them, strong as they are, fast as they can, real as his hands... beautiful as his mom? Is there a world where his mommy didn't put him to adoption... If there was, then it wouldn't be fair for Fai who's in this world.
The world was hurting him, he felt it. But one day a man, with a height of 3 Fai and the hair of ... a fish, asked Fai "what do you feel about this, kid? This system is pretty amazing, right? Keeping y'all under a roof...". To say Fai understood the depth of the man's word would be, well, lying- and doing it stupidly at that! He's a child for god's sake. Yet he felt bad... Just how a man who knows would feel pain from such words. Fai wondered why he felt pain but he could never put a sentence on it, it was a blanc page.
But the question of the man was 'what' and not 'why" so Fai answered as he knew; "I feel sad". How easy it would be to switch on and off your feelings as the older people seem to do...They just smile when they want and cry when they want, but Fai can't... He is out of control.
He wants to understand why he's always having feelings of his own, reactions of his own... He wants to understand why he has a creeping wish to burn reality with his words, influence and gather, feelings and freedom, words of wisdom, tittles and candies, love and... love and, love. He was thrown off guard by his thoughts, which is why he wants to go in a journey to comprehention.
the world was confusing him, he felt it. Even in the darkest days, fire burns to make light when even the moon shies away from the darkness. When he's all alone, everything he was supposed to be with is alone too. But he heard grownups say the universe works like numbers... Fai couldn't see it or even feel it.
Fai's teddy bear didn't push him to believe what grownups say so he felt happy with his teddy bear. Wherever he was.
*TIME CUT*
_it's been 15 years that I'm in this journey. I've discovered that my mother had D.I.D. and couldn't remember much of the story... It was unsettling to think that I blamed all life unfaireness on a woman who had witnessed bigger unfairness from life._
_I also discovered that selfishness often leads to bars... It was a weird deduction but the more I deny it the more scenarios relating "selfishness and bar" pop in my mind and by now, I know when not to force fate; sometimes letting a paper crooked is better because trying anything else could tear it appart, some things are meant to be unpleasant and you can't change them, unless you want something even more unpleasant_
_As for my name and tittles, I left them as reminder of my pain, a crown to prouve my reign over my demons_
_I... was put off by many memories which I'd rather bury on the surface of the sun where they can burn and so do I with them. Yet... there is one memory in particular which still makes me feel unsatisfied, like this journey wasn't over_
_"the world confused him. He felt that"_
_the world... This gigantic, seemingly never ending expands of unknown dark particles surrounded by unknown dark energy being host of many gravitational bodies of magical nature to human, which if inhabited by any new living could mean the end of one of our races because if we follow the theory of evolution; the arrival of a new race on earth is the end of the present one, just how it happened with dinos._
_ This perfectly articulated system of goal oriented creatures working for a cause-consequence sequence of actions leading up to... To... to basically not die, the point of everything on earth is to make human live in such leisury. We could've just lived with watter and reptiles but everything evolved to become all these various living mechanisms which stimulated us to develop coping mechanism of our own to always be a consumers_
_and yet I choose my coping mechanism to be crying on relatable music_
_anyways.._
_I thought a lot about being hurt... and hurting others_
_ I wanted to just stop that joke of a joke of a joke of an excuse people see as "socially acceptable". You accept what you grow to excuse. " I accept stranger danger because you can't know who might be looking for organs to sell" but in fact, most murderer kill people they know because it allows them to "study the prey"_
_I thought about what makes me think I know what's right... At first I freaked out because I had no reason yet everything I thought about seemed reasonable... Not_
_I would argue that in all of us, there is a sense of "right and wrong" and "true or false", the older we get, the sharper our judgements, BUT as we grow we would have an inclination; a preference toward one of the judgements and we'll build many neuro-pathways conserning how to make a system of judgement_
_just like EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD, it didn't start perfect, I had first to feel as a victim, then as a vilain in order to understand right and wrong judgements or to "switch on" the part in my brain to come up with meanings rather than experiences, or to mark "dark territory" and "enlightenment territory"._
_ I would also say that too many dominant moralist take a victim role, and no vilain role, this makes them know in a sense how to mark "dark territories" and enables them to avoid certain actions/words since it's "bad", but the lack or unawareness about needing "a villain role" makes them just put everything that isn't considered bad, good_
_. ON THE OTHER HAND, those who have a tendency of playing the villain role will know the "enlightenment territory" in a sense because what works is good, what doesn't is bad and they end up stepping on dark territories as villain and suddenly everyone hates them, which would make them feel like the victim and maybe they'll have learned a portion of what "bad" is._
_People who never played any role often just rely on showing... fake af. Wisdom comes from playing both roles_
_Oh, and it's worth mentioning that the "villain role" is about trying to do something you feel bad about AND NOTHING ELSE, it's not being a bully, it's just going agaisnt the affiliative nature_
_But we have people who don't care about how they feel within themselves, they consider that unimportant. Their system of judgement is that of someone who can't play roles, they copy actors, they know of the existence of victim and villain, but their preferred judging system is process then decide._
_Their thoughts... but about others feelings._
_"Right" is what they process as a" good character's action", they erase "arbitrary" systems such as the victim/villain arc, then, it becomes a feedback-process system; the more the victims know how to feel in pain by action X , the more "bad" X gets, the more a villain gets good results by doing action Y , the more "good" Y gets_
_Notice how the victims makes what's bad for Fe while Fi villain makes what's good? That is how society's ethics change because if victims show what was good and villain show what was bad then the feedback-process system will smell arbitrary and lack of logic and will disregard them, however, pain is an undeniable "proof of bad" and perfect outcomes with seemingly zero side effects is a twisted "proof of good". We've learned to play well with our cards, hit hard or don't hit._
_even in the midst of all this knowledge, I feel unsatisfied_
_Surprisingly, understanding wasn't my path to take..._
_my path is where people make sense of what I have felt for the longest time: cs joseph dot life_
ouf finally finished the plot! I hope you've read it Chase! You often say or used to say you liked art so I thought of doing this but I'm second guessing myself- what if I'm wasting your time?
LAST THING I'LL SAY PROMISE: and here is how you know why some social media has a restraint amount of letters you can use
dude, i loved reading this! your abstractions and occasionally irreverent bombs of abrasive but truthful statements are fascinating (i especially stuck onto the part about stranger danger when in reality, the people we know are more likely to target us)! as an aspiring writer myself, i hope you've got a book or some sort of literary project that you're working on, friend! you've got a story to tell and a way with words to forge your path ahead :D
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Omggg this is the most motivational message someone has ever told me 😝😝😘😘😘😘 thank you honey !
My Ne had the time of its life writting this ngl 😆😂😂
I'm happy you enjoyed this
Umm nah, I don't really have a project because I wasn't able to get feedback on my first chapters so I never knew if I was bullshiting art or genuinely doing something meaningful 😝
What genre do you write ? 😀
Fi can feel how people think. People are very predictable.
As an ENTP, my Fi is being forked (like in chess) by Ti and Fe -__- it's almost impossible to feel my personal values while their constantly being pushed down by logic and ethics.
I'm going to have to rewatch this one multiple times to really understand and correct me if I'm wrong but if I'm understanding you correctly it sounds like in my case (ENTJ) they base how they feel in certain situations (Fi) based on their Hero (Te), the true false opinions of others. And that's why they ask all of the time "What do they others about a certain subject" because, they're using their responses of others to create their own belief system and determine whether or not other people's opinions make them feel good or bad. Then because of their Fi inferior, their insecurities involve believing that they're not moral individuals and therefore not believing that their belief system is correct and so they're constantly changing it to reflect others who they believe are more moral than them. And because their Te hero is always working they're always continuing to talk to people, find other reference point, research, and redefine their value system of (Fi) to reflect the latest edition of opinions of people that they value. But I'm guessing when they step back, aspire and realize that they are moral people and going after status/success/fame/fortune, etc. doesn't necessarily make them an immoral person, they begin to rely more internally on their beliefs and values as opposed to being a walking encyclopedia of everyone else and finding the inner good in themselves rather than looking to find it in others. Is this correct?
yes, well said
@@CSJoseph I'm trying to tie this all together from and ENTJ standpoint in my ego. My insecurities lie with how I determine something makes me feel good or bad. And it's this way because I'm so reliant on Te Hero to make true false decisions. And therefore I feel something is good/bad because someone who I trust/like respect thinks that something else is true or false. Conversely, this also makes me insecure about my end goals/future (Ni Parent) because I'm once again basing what I want in the future off of others past experiences (Se Child). The circle ends up repeating in both cases, "I want X in my Future because you did X and it made it you feel good, and I like/trust/respect you so therefore I want it because it will make me feel good as well". That's why as an ENTJ many of the people that I look up to are incredibly successful in business/personal development, etc. And I'm assuming that to tap into the subconscious part of my mind, is for me to ultimately realize that I don't have to base whether something is good or bad off of what other people believe and instead go off of what I feel inside. In doing so I have the freedom (Se) that I desire to go after what I want, and I'll know 100% that it's what I want my future to look like (Ni) because it's ultimately based on me and no longer what based off of what other people think. Is that on the right track?
Hello ! I found your videos searching for some more precisions on the cognitive functions. I find this serie relevant, thank you ! Also, it makes me laugh a bit when I hear you talking about how to "manipulate" this type or this other one and especially the way you say it, very free from any ethic or moral (which is very relatable to this special video about Fi users). And I somehow kind of like it. I get your point, it's just that I feel this is soooo ENTP to put it like this because, as an ENFP it totally gives me shiver 🥶, my Fi second function gets crazy 😆. I really appreciated at the end of the video when you brought up the manipulation definition, because it permits (at least for me as Fi second) to get your point better, exactly what you said about perception becoming the reality when there is no explanation.
That is why I did a season on social engineering the types, so that everyone would be able to recognize if they're being engineered.
@@CSJoseph Sounds interesting, I will check it out ! I am just discovering your channel. Thank you !
Can you please make a video on Ti trickster for ENFP's, an how they can deal with it. Yunno the same way you made those videos for Si and Se trickster. I would really appreciate that.
Thank you for this video, its very informative.
As an ISTP with demon Fi, I can tell you that Fi makes no sense to me because it only comes out as anger or rage for me throughout my life until present day at 49 years old. Fi is my enemy. I avoid it at all costs. My Ti and Se are badass but Fi is totally useless to me unless I'm being attacked and need rage to attack back.
The thing about making INFPs uncomfortable to get them to do what you want works on me. I will do what you want just so you leave me alone. However, I don't see this working if done everyday because I will avoid you like the plague.
True lol. Once we stop caring about someone, we don't really care about their opinion anymore.
Can you make a video about INTJ-INFP compatibility? I have an INFP male trying to get into a relationship with me (INTJ female) and I'm trying to figure out what I need to watch out for.
It’s a benefactor relationship. They can be pretty good. Just realize the NF can be very controlling in this relationship if you are not careful
I pretty much disagree with Fi is all about diffrentiating the good and the bad, Fi is pretty much about subjectivity. It's not all about the sad, melancholy, or shit like that, feeler doesn't mean we're all sensitive, get angry easily, or do something foolish, etc. It's like a process to understand what's "1+1 =/= 2" in life. Because human nature or even the cosmic has MANY subjectivity to it, universe has many many mystery that if you use logic only you cannot solve it. For example of subjectivity is spirituality, desire, lust, instinct, pride, etc. If u cannot understand it, then all ur logic will just be useless, because you will have those people / energy that will force against you and try to let you down/cancel you
Majority rules is a ridiculous compass for truth. Because as you said, social manipulation is rampant. Rigorous, ethical, and situation-appropriate research methods are a better compass, but still not all that is required to assess a truth.
14:43 hmmm🤔🤔🤔what an interesting thing that you're doing with that pen right there😂😂😂LOL!!!!
Anyways is it really impactful to have Fi child???especially on that status thing,i don't necessarily want to be at the spotlights but i will if i see that i have to be,for exaample if i see someone whose in the lead but he is doing it terribly i will tell him to step aside cuz (well) he's doing it wrong.
interesting video, thanks.
I never heard of morality being something different from ethics. I find these labels rather confusing. It sounds like the same thing to me.
I am so grateful that I discovered you! Frank James mentioned you in one of his videos and I can't tell you how much I've learned so far from watching yours. I plan on watching every single one multiple times, maybe even take notes because I find this subject matter fascinating and I would love to go into therapy someday. Understanding people comes naturally to me but having a theory and a scientific web of sorts behind it all gives more sustenance and organization to my thoughts. Thank you so much for your videos. You are very inspiring.
Abbi Childs you are most welcome, which video are you speaking of?
C.S. Joseph Frank James did a video called "INFJs make the most awesome (or evil) leaders" and mentioned you around 11:30 mins in.
Much appreciated
Would you please tell me which type uses an “if this action is taken, then that will happen or be the result?” If this, then that, way of processing things. I always base my decisions on that line of thinking. I don’t take action based on feelings.I do that all the time. I’ve always tested INFP, but I’m very logical...have been told by therapists that I’m a logical thinker. Would you please comment on that? I would really appreciate it. However, on the other hand, when I’m expressing my thoughts on something, I often get tangled up and go off on tangents, trying to put together how I think or feel. It’s very frustrating. I do very well communicating through writing. Another thing I’d like to mention is that in school/college, when a paper was assigned, we were always told to make an outline first. That was impossible for me as I never knew what I was going to say on a topic until I was actually writing about it. (I always got A’s on my papers in spite of this.) I would really appreciate your insight into all this. Oh, one more thing. I grew up in an abusive home. My father sexually, emotionally, and mentally abused me and my mother abandoned me emotionally. As a result I have Complex-PTSD and repressed emotions. It wasn’t safe to have emotions in our household. My father would go into fits of rage and eventually use things we might say against us. I also really don’t know who I am.
Look at INTP then?
C.S. Joseph Thank you for replying, and so quickly! I’ll do that.
Just FYI, according to Jungian typology, Fi & Te aren't necessarily on an axis in the middle two functions. Jung stated he was Ti-Ni. He never said anything clear about the I/E order of the auxiliary & tertiary functions. The I/E swapping is MBTI, a branch of Jungian typology. Jung only claimed the dominant & inferior functions would exist on that axis.
As an infp I usually much prefer the supporting role than the limelight. Don't really care much for status or fame, but rather wherever I do end up, knowing that I got there with absolute authenticity, integrity, and of course, talent. I give credit only where it's due, and if there's one thing I cannot stand, it's fame for fames sake. Ie. Talentless, rich celebrities over truly talented nobodies. I do not just jump on any mainstream bandwagon without weighing these things up first.
Well explained!!!
I'm not an Fi user but I thought what about 'groping'? It's not uncommon for adults to speak of their experiences of groping at a tender age when they say they were never told it was wrong but they always had that inherent feeling that it was 'wrong' and felt their self respect was being violated and alarn bells came on ..
And if Fe feeds of Fi , how would Ethics exist without someone's feelings getting hurt by the injustice?
Ofcourse Fi ppl are sensitive tho but maybe that's what theyre meant to be... but no excuses for anyone's over sensitivity to escape responsibility!
Is it possible for INFP to value logic and practicality because of how they brought up? That would throw a wrench on the stereotype, hehe.
practicality, sure, logic? No not really. Si child can be trained.
I see... so Si child can simulate high Te but not Ti, I think? Thank you for replying...
I'm wondering the same thing, as an ISFP. I absolutely value logic, consistency (the opposite makes me rage inside). I'm an emotional person, but I realize how unrealiable and short-lived my emotions are. Facts and logical truth is what gives my otherwise not so consistent personality some hold.
I miss in this description that Fi as well is the source of self worth and gratitude as you mentioned in other videos..
I told my INFP grandmother that social interaction is manipulation to see her reaction and she got so pissed at me lol
Do you find that those with an Fe user has a harder time connecting with a Fi user in a romantic relationship? For me having Fi in my 3rd slot, my bf having Fe in his 4th slot... does it make a difference in the commitment level? Fe users make me nervous because they rely on others to determine how they feel about a person? Am I wrong?
It's actually more compatible to have the opposite functions in the same order
A theory just popped into my head that peoples' favorite movies and music is often whatever appeals most to their child function. True? Or off base?
not always true. My favorite movie is based on my hero.
So I have pegged myself as an ESFP, does processing emotions go along with Fi? I feel like I do t like dealing with negative emotions, although I have done a ton of self reflection, self growth over the years.. I still at almost 40 really struggle with being present with negative emotions.. do you have any advice for this? Ty
Why does status feel good to Fi users?
judging people depending on how "out of usual" the act is
is hugging usual? yes, then they'll stay within neutral people list
is screaming non stop as a "way of talking" usual? no...aaand so I begin to judge how I feel about it, I may not be fair but I can't exacty change my natural mechanisms
INFP here. If someone makes me persistently uncomfortable there is no way I will do what they want. I’ve grown beyond that. I know what sort of discomfort I need to grow and that’s decided by me.
Also I don’t plainly take folks with credentials as something I’m “comfortable with”. I have informed and logical perceptions about a person’s competence regardless of title.
I think you’ve got a negative/biased view of INFP’s. Someone is very salty and it’s distorting their vision of others’ capacity :)
I get that a lot from INFPs. I say things in a way that gets through to them because I care enough to, despite knowing it will hurt their feelings. As opposed to those in their lives who don't want to risk upsetting them and hold back or just tell them what they want to hear.
Good/bad vs true/false
I have FI in my 8th slot. How do I incorporate this aspect? What does this mean?
I recommend checking out season 16
I will!!
'I don't make moral decision-making' Aha
lol i know right
As an INTP I can feel bad and not have one iota of action resulting from that.
is using the truth to decide what is good or bad Ti or does that fall under Fi?
Ti is true and false
Lacking in context. Please provide an example
The act of deciding whether or not something is good or bad is Fi. Using the truth could technically be Te because the truth is your input.
Seeking and finding the truth is Ti. Weighing whether something is true or false is Ti.
Isn't Ti demon basically "Di"? (introverted delusion)
I'm questioning my INTP based on this video. Well, I'm always questioning if I'm an INTP tbh lol. As I've gotten older I've noticed I've had my instincts about things and they are based on feelings, granted, I don't stay there, I back it up with logic. I mean, not to pat myself on the back, but while also patting myself on the back...I'm typically right about what I feel. Would that make me an Fi user or no? Or would that be more specific to what exactly I'm using instincts for?
And to clarify, as I got older I noticed it was me "feeling" rather than "knowing". When I was younger I just thought I was a genius and knew everything lol