this and the "ned rig" got me boggled. i been using a 3in senk on a small jig head since i was 9, plus rapala has been making small "finesse baits" wtf is the dif
Doing more and more with BFS reels on the kayak because it's just dang fun. I still wade with a spinning rod though because I'm only carrying one rod and it sucks when a backlash ends your whole fishing trip.
It's mostly just preference. Whatever you're more comfortable with is what you should use. Love my baitcasters and for lighter stuff I prefer spinning. It’s hard to beat the smoothness of the spinning reels drag.
I usually have about 8 rods on the deck. Usually 50/50 spinning/baitcasting. Now, I have around 60/30/10. Baitcast, BFS, spinning. Main reason is so I can lay the rods in one direction without tripping over the darn spinning rods handle! 😅
BFS a new style of fishing...why complain in fishing one thing is constant lots of choices! I love BFS and am still feeling out what set up is for me. Thanks guys always refreshing to get an honest opinion man!
Totally agree with you! Its all in the anglers choice. The great thing about fishing you can catch on anything thing from a cane pole to a Megabass rod and reel Just have fun and enjoy being outdoors fishing!
BFS origins as I understand it is from Japan. Japanese trout fishermen to be specific. Using modified old baitcasters, like Abu Garcia type round reels to fish for trout on streams became very popular. Both for the ability to throw very small baits and to make wrist cast in tight spaces. As with many things in Japanese culture, fashion and Esthetics played an equally important role with function. The more this gained popularity the more tackle companies took interest. This is why Shimano made a round BFS reel & Daiwa Silver Creek reel. It all bleed over into the bass work and here we are.
Love the content! Appreciate your review and opinions! Totally agree its the angeles choice! If you want to do it and can then do it and enjoy it, if not then just don't. Keep the good stuff coming!
Bfs is the best thing since slice bread My setup: 23 Shimano Conquest with roro spool paired with Old18 buoyancy UL rod. Been using this since the last 15 trips My other combo is 21 Antares DC with Shimano MH conquest rod. Sitting in the corner of my garage for 5 months now.
Do you recommend the Old18 Light casting rod? I've been on the fence between buying the Old18 or a Kastking Kestrel light action rod. ? New to bfs and would love to hear anyone's thoughts or suggestions.
I’ve been fishing BFS since 2009 and still loved to this day. My intro into BFS is after my visiting from Japan start to develop a interested to it and then it’s a obsession now. Early of 2019 as I remember is when BFS is starting to get a lot attention from the mainstream fishing industry after that year Kastking release the first quote and quote and USDM BFS reel the Zephyr that is budget friendly too. But just a side note this is not the first the time the US fishing mainstream industry tries to bring over BFS. They try back in 2012 by tackle warehouse, but it was never catch on to most angler due to price given at that time. So my opinion on “should you or should you not” buy into this BFS thing people calling it scams? The real question is are you a person love to try new things or do you want it when it comes to fishing? If your answer is “No” then don’t buy it; it doesn’t get any simpler as that. Seriously… this shouldn’t be any debate at all. I’m surprise there’s stup!d people complain about shit they don’t want it. Plus in my honest opinion as a person who been doing BFS fishing for so long; if you think BFS is stupid and it’s a scam? then the BFS community don’t need you neither, because you’re giving the BFS genre a bad reps and don’t need negative narrow minded nut head to this community. There I say it 😂
Almost the exact same thing happened with Tenkara. Most Americans were like "Why? I've had a cane pole since I was 6 years old," or "Why not just fly fish with real equipment?" Personally, I fell in love with Tenkara because of the artistry, simplicity, and mostly the fun of it. It's just a simple alternative to western style fly fishing. With BFS it's actually not a more simple alternative to spinning ultralight fishing as much as it's arguably a better alternative. Baitcasters are simply a superior reel system/design to spinning reels. Sure that's a debatable statement, but it's more factual than it is just opinion. I love that I can now do more with a baitcaster. I love using my baitcaster combos, but those were previously only useful for larger fish. I love going after smaller species of fish (hence Tenkara), but I really don't like spinning reels as much as I do baitcasters. All that being said, I'm not jumping headfirst into BFS and throwing a lot of money at it. I currently have one relatively discount BFS combo, and I'm working on putting together a second (but insisting it also be relatively inexpensive). I have probably plunked $100 or so into "BFS" baits/lures, but almost all of those can be used with my ultralight spinning gear, too. I didn't get "suckered" into BFS -- I simply got more interested than I previously was in ultralight because of BFS. I like ultralight fishing, but I also really like baitcasters. For me it was a great answer to a personal dilemma with fishing.
As I commented more or less with the same words a couple weeks ago: If I prefer throwing a 3/8oz or a 1/2oz lure on a baitcaster instead of on spinning gear, why is it strange if I also would prefer throwing a 1/8 or 1/4oz lure on a baitcaster as long as it's castable? The inherent benefits of a baitcasting setup don't evaporate into thin air just because we go down in lure weights.
You can 100% throw 1/8oz on a none bfs reel lol. Diawa ca80, shimano slx mgl 70 will cast that all day on a medium rod lol. I cast 1/8oz jig head with small grubs and 2.7in paddle tails on a 13 fishing mh moderate crankbait rod with the shimano slx mgl 70 and 12lb line. I can't cast 1/16 oz though and that I'll use a spinning setup for.
@@blind_eye_fishing That seals it -- BFS is a scam. That's a quick transition though from not being able to throw 1/16 at all but being able to throw 1/8 "100%" on a non-BFS reel and medium rod. If you throw a 1/8oz crankbait "100%" on that setup I can only congratulate you. But there's more to it than castability, how lightweight the overall setup is for example. The Shimano SLX MGL 70, however great for its price, comes in at 200g. That's 65g or over 2oz more than my $80 BFS reel...
@@borreholic nd!!! Well the Daiwa cc80 will also do the things my shimano mgl 70 does lol its light as well. But seriously whats a extra oz in your hand you really can't tell a huge difference when you're using ot especially when it's on a super light weight rod 😂. And it's only what 60$ lol
i live in the northern part of the midwest and bfs is a bit of a game changer for me. being able to downsize full sized presentations that are traditionally used with regular old casting gear is really nice around smaller fish. the control you have with a baitcaster compared to a spinning rod over finnicky, large bass when you hook them on bfs is great and its just plain fun. Something about pitching around a micro jig/micro texas rig on a spinning rod just doesnt feel right to me, so i got into bfs. the last several bass ive caught over 4-5lbs were all on bfs, and ive been catching them more frequently and consistently since i started using bfs. it just gets bit in areas where catching anything 6+ is rare.
@@aaanglers Thank you for your reply. So I can't take a baitcaster with a deep spool and replace it with a shallow spool to make it into a BFS acting baitcaster?
After watching this vid i bought a KastKing Zephyr for $34 (slightly used) with some kind of 4lb braid. Back lashed a few times then upgraded the line to Reaction Tackle 6lb and not had any issues...But I will upgrade the bearings for sure!
I tried bfs late last yr. And I love it. It really is a lot of fun. So now when I go fishing I'm always bringing my bfs setup and using that more then my regular bass gear.
I've now built 8 different bfs setups that are technique specific. I love it!! Ultralight to Medium. I honestly like to build all my setups to be technique specific, so I own many setups. Plus I hate tying lures 😂
I've never fished a bait casting rod. I've only fished smaller, fresh water bait casting reels, down tide fishing off a boat. Never tried casting. Because I've never had any instructions / tuition on how to use the reels casting and how to set them up correctly. I think using a bait casting reel set up to me, is technically more difficult, than using a spinning reel casting. I use spinning reels for beach fishing. But I know people who are definitely cast further using multiplier reels / larger bait casting reels. So I would very much like to learn how to use a bait casting set up. But don't have the confidence to try it, without help and tuition. Sadly I don't know anyone in the UK, who fishes that way. Don't think I've honestly seen that many bait casting rods / reels in the tackle shops either. But then I'm not really looking. Learning a great deal more from your channel and adapting methods to spinning.
greetings, I'm from Croatia. I can say that you two are great. i started bfs technique in 1918 when i bought tailwalk fullrange bf81 reel and black hole dark horse c642L casting rod. after some time i came across your channel. after that I now have a shimano slx bfs reel, a soloking acura and a soloking bmc100 reel and two more bfs rods from Poland (the company Dragon t46 graphite fuji equipment...) BFS rocks !!!
I love BFS it’s extremely fun. BFS was developed originally for trout fishing in Japans small streams where it would be impossible to Cast anything else but a bait caster that can throw tiny lures. I use mine here In Iowa on the driftless region and have been able cast where some of the fly fisherman can not
for me bfs isn’t for throwing 1/32nd trout magnets. It’s for throwing heavier crappie jigs, 2 and 2.8 inch swimbaits, booyah pond magic spinnerbaits, 65mm jerkbaits , ned rigs etc. Casts these baits amazingly but for the truly small stuff I still prefer spinning for ease of use.
I don’t have a valid opinion, but I have other wants prior to becoming informed… like a dedicated crank set up 😆. It’ll be something to consider once my arsenal is a bit further along 😬.
I Couldn’t have said it better. It’s just a different way to finesse fish. I’ve used BFS stuff since about 2005 when I wanted to throw my Super fluke jr wireless. I got a Chronarch 50 then a Daiwa pixy then 16 Aldebaran… I now have 2 Conquest BFS, 22 Alde and a KK VE 2… it’s not a fad. It’s a philosophy. Making 2lb bass fun.
BFS Fishing is fun. I’ve been casting accurate , fishing a little faster and more efficiently. It’s great for pressured fisheries. I still use a spinning rod for casting further but for close quarter action I use my BFS set up. It’s been a great compliment to my bank style of fishing. BFS is enjoyable. I’m glad there are budget friendly options now in the U. S. Don’t knock it until you try it! 🤙🏾🙏🏽
I've been fishing BFS since the early 1990's. I used a tiny little Ryobi V-Max 3 miniature baitcast reel with light line. The Achilles heel for that real was bushings instead of bearings and it had a v spool. Compared to the Lew Childre's and Garcia's of the day though... It was a BFS setup. BFS fishing actually started with Midwest finesse in the '60s and '70s in and around the Kansas City metro with people throwing essentially what we call the Ned Rig and The Beetle spin. Obviously they were using spinning gear but the theory is... The Midwest summer bass bite slows to a halt when the weather gets hot. You still want to catch fish so you downsize your bait and catch all sorts of species. That style of fishing moved to Japan where they developed actual bait casting setups to handle those light lures. Then it finally makes its way back to the United States 8 or 10 years ago. Though we still had to import the reels from ichiban tackle. The first reel that I imported was a Daiwa pixy and it blew my doors off. I put that reel on a 6' ML Bass Pro micro light rod with 6 lb mono. I had several modern expensive Lew's rods and reels but as a Midwest Finesse Bank fisherman, I probably fished that BFS set up the most. It was just the most fun. Catching moderate size fish on such a light setup was a hoot. Not to mention when I accidentally caught a 20 lb carp on that setup... The most fun I've ever had fishing. Fast forward to today: I've got an ark gravity BFS on a light rod and it's leaps and bounds ahead of that Daiwa Pixy I had for fraction of the price. I love fishing BFS. Fishing 1/8 oz tiny traps and posting my catches and my stories was actually what got me sponsored as a field staffer for Bill Lewis lures several years ago. Tiny traps are the Ned Rig of crankbaits... Fantastic for multi-species and annihilate the white bass bite.
I don’t understand why it’s a scam?,”BFS”you don’t like it”don’t buy it” No worries it’s that sample. If you can’t afford and think it’s a scam”jealous ““mind your own business “. I want it and I’m poor but it’s so much funnier ,also new style of fishing, I’m a fisherman anything that is going to make fishing fun I’m down, It’s lite and I can cast for hours no problem, so my point is it’s an advantage . My set up is an old18, paired with JDM Dawia BFS reel.
I recently jumped into the bfs and went with a starter set up using the kastking kestrel and paired it with a bfs kastking rod. Ive been at it for a few weeks now, and here are my overall first impressions and things ive learned so far. To start with, i do not recommend braid to flouro lead. The idea is, braid is thinner diameter for smoother casting while still providing strength. I have found that the casting is much smoother if you just went with flouro the whole way, the line diameter difference is marginal and birds nests are much easier to get out than with braid (especially with thin line). Second, always tune your bait perfectly to the reel perfectly before you start fishing (even on a re-tie) or its going to be non-stop backlash. Last, the smaller lighter your bait is, accept the fact that you just won't be able to cast as far as you'd like even with high end gear. We still live in a world bound by the laws of physics, and there are things like wind resistance that are going to slow you down. Tbh, im 50/50 on bfs fishing. The jury is still out, but i cant say im completely sold. As of right now it seems like its more for looks because im using a cool little baitcaster set up, throwing little baits that i could already fish efficiently with my spinning set ups. Then you add in all the annoying backlashes, it almost feels unnecessary. You should always do what makes you happy and this philosophy is part of what motivated to try bfs. If i really wanted to, i could probably grab my spinning reel and rig it with the same bait and let it go head to head with my bfs rod and see which performs best. Im inclined to think the spinning combo would win out. Or maybe its just that I'm more experienced with my spinning combo and i need more practice with bfs. In the meantime im gonna continue running my bfs set up for now and see if i can make a case for sticking with it.
What set up do you have? What line did you use? I have found that Varivas braid has been phenomenal for casting and easy to get birdsnests/backlashes out. It practically fixes itself. With a good reel, you will be really happy.
I started with BFS first then got a UL spinning setup. I kinda like the spinning better, but maybe because my spinning combo is very specialized while my bfs combos I got without any thorough research
I have been using a Daiwa Tatula SV with 8LB floro on a 7’2” Med for years. Throwing light Ned’s, tiny Swimbait,or micro chatter baits. What would I gain from a BFS?
I bought a KK Kestrel rod and reel to get my feet wet and I love it, especially for horizontal fishing…as in crank baits and small spinners on 6lb braid I still prefer my ultralight spinning rigs for slow vertical retrieves like jigs and micro neds
I just find baitcasters more comfortable to me. Its really preference at this point. I would never knock someone who genuinely enjoys spincast reel. Theres some high end versions of those and those wouldnt exist unless theres a market for it. Like yall said. How can you really diss bfs when you havent tried it
I just pulled the trigger on a budget (value?) BFS rig today, so it was funny to see this video drop. I've fished spin cast and fly for 40 years, bought a med-heavy bait caster last year, then a heavy because pig jigs, and I couldn't help but wonder - would some of my small jerk baits not work better with a BFS rig? So here we go. I'm sure I won't just throw away my ultra-light spinner, but I can see it getting less time on the water if this works.
I hate spinning reels and won't use them. My "bfs" is a dobyns sierra ultra finesse 7ft light extra fast rod with jdm shimano slx dc xt 70 reel and 8lb fluorocarbon. I don't need to throw anything less than 1/16oz for bass or use 4lb fluorocarbon. If you were fishing for trout or bluegill, you could go lighter, but i don't see any reason for bass fishing. Either way, use whatever you want.
It is not a scam or to replace spinning gear. The correct term is bait finesse,BFS is a term owned by shimano and used for thier bait finesse reels and rods. Bait finesse has its place especially in japan. The bait finesse concept was developed by pro bass angler yukihiro sawamura in 2011 for highly pressured bass in clear water lakes,in or around cover and structure. The biggest advantage it has against spinning gear is the ability to use heavier lines 6-12lb fluorocarbon that would be a hassle to use with spinning reels, 2-5 lb fluorocarbon is what they use in japan for finesse fishing with spinning gear and still be able to pitch or skip light weight usally 3.5-5 gram lures/soft plastic rigs around cover and structure keep in mind japanese bass fishing is mostly done with fluorocarbon line. Bait finesse originated as a cover fishing technique that utilizes light weight shallow spool baitcasters with high gear ratios and rods with strong backbone and soft tips to help pitch or skip the light baits and stop bass from going back in cover. Japanese Bait finesse rods are mainly bass rod's with fast actions and soft tips even the UL and Light power models have serious backbone and fast action's.
I have 1 BFS combo and I'm definitely going to invest in another one at some point. It's just fun. I still use spinning rods, but I've been loving using a BFS combo for trout, Panfish, and dink bass 😂
Yes BFS is last I caught an 8 pound largemouth on a pound test on a small 1/4 ounce spinner. It was awesome. Yes I do like BFS I’m using a Kistler chromium 801 with the BFS four wanted yes this awesome.
I know you guys are just starting to get on the water again, I'd love to just see more vids of you two fishing. Love all the gear stuff but it would be nice to see more of you two just going out and having fun. I liked the videos of you two and Ethan slaying it out there.
Really wanted to hate you guys - but you’re like Beyoncé’s new album… I just can’t! You are actually one place on the internet where I feel like I’m getting product information not biased by commissions to sell it. You have aligned yourselves with the interests of your audience not the manufacturers. That’s a good thing and I hope you are very successful. I’m very interested in DC reels. Especially the lower priced offerings: Looking forward to your thoughts on that one.
Swe have donee an slx dc video in the past. Honestly I don’t care about em much. The just make a cool sound. We grab our regular braking system reels 9 times out of 10. Thanks!
I’m just researching BFS. Why all the controversy? Fish what makes you happy. If it works for you who cares about negative comments or opinions. Last year I caught an 11# 7 oz catfish on a 4’ ultra, ultra light spinning rod using 4# line. Who cares what rod I used, except for me it was the most fun catch I’ve ever had in 60 years of fishing. That includes any equipment and any fish. Even a 44.5” (25#) Muskie on much heavier casting equipment. If someone doesn’t like how you are fishing don’t waste your time fishing with them or reading their comments. Just smile and catch another one!
I mean, I love fishing with light tackle. But I can’t see spending that kinda money on extra set ups, just to do it with a bait cast reel. When I have so many spin set ups at my disposal. I know guys love it, and more power to them. How y’all spend your money is up to you. But to me it’s a waist, I could put that money towards more traditional bait cast reels. But that’s just my opinion. Cause I’m Spaceman 😂
I use bfs on spinning setup. I don't feel like I need to replace my rods and reels because I want to use new lures. I already have ultralight spinning setups.
2 things for me...fishing from a canoe or kayak...#1 - 1 handed casting...big win for me...#2 - if I get a backlash...I can clear it in 10-20 second....I have spent 15 minutes untangling a spinning reel snarl...I don't go below 1/16 oz lures....so, casting distant has been about the same. It's been nice to learn a new skill and have options
Look , if you like to zip and whip rods out like a Kitana while casting and finesse a move like jerk and twitch to get a fish . go with BFS . Shits a lot of fun .
BFS: Cast with one hand (more accurate casting) and adjust your drag while reeling (catch more fish). Spinning: You have to flip the bail to cast and stop reeling to adjust drag (you could lose the fish at this point)
I love bait finesse because I hate spinning gear….actually I suck at using spinning gear is why I hate spinning gear😳Plus, I have tiny hands so a BFS reel feels in my hand the way a 150 sized reel feels in a normal person’s hand😊
Sounds like fun and ain’t that what fishing is all about. I’ll have to look into it next time I’m in the market for another rod and reel. Who am I kidding, I’m always in the market for a new rod and reel. Definitely going to look at bfs in the near future.
@@paulglass7268 we chase giant smallmouth in my neck of the woods. We use light powered spinning rods, a lot of crappie style baits and line that ranges from 4-7 pound test. No one is doing it on a BFS setup. I wouldn’t go so far as to say BFS is a scam, but it’s completely unnecessary. I have yet to find a situation where I’ve thought, “man I wish I had a bfs set up right now”. With that said, if you’re into BFS and it’s keeping you excited about fishing, keep doing what you’re doing. Even on tournament day it’s still all about fun.
@@fishingthe262 a 7,6” light rod is nothing like an ultralight. I’m in MI, big smallmouth is what we do. I don’t target 5lb smallmouth with BFS either. That doesn’t mean you can’t or that BFS doesn’t have a place. Would you frog with a light spinning rod? Flip? No, it wouldn’t be as good. BFS isn’t necessary but that doesn’t mean it isn’t great at some things.
@@eddyray-yb6ig first and for most, I never said it was a scam. Go back and actually read what was written. I said if you’re into it and it keeps you excited go for it. Reading comprehension is an actual thing.
I don’t even understand why some of these topics even exist lol. What the person across the lake is fishing with has absolutely nothing to do with me lol. I don’t own a single BFS item, however, I love casting with my casting reel. I’m better at my spinning reel, but prefer my casting. If I can have fun and enjoy my casting reel, yet throw the small spinning reel baits, I totally would. But that’s my prerogative. I’m the one fishing for me, not you 😂
yeah considering you can get a bfs reel for 30 bucks that out performs 500 dollar shimano reels is proof its not a scam. whats a scam is relabeling made in china products and selling it for 5 times what its actually worth. 99% of the bfs rods made domestic or in japan are from china. you can buy rods directly from there for less than 50 bucks but if you want a shimano label on it you gonna pay $300+ for the same quality. im pretty sure these guys have their own rod they trying to sell thats made in china. if its close to 100 bucks, thats the scam.
@@eddyray-yb6ig I won't defend the free market antics, that's kinda how it is. Would love to see a link to the $50 reel equivalent to the $300 reel so we could check it out. Let clear up a few things since you've been trying to pop off on us in our comments though... 1. We don't sell any rods. We did a collab with Monsterbass last year on a SPINNING rod. We don't work with them anymore. 2. We don't work with any of these companies, so whether you buy them or not doesn't bother us. 3. Send us the links to these products that are 1/5 the price so we can put them head to head in a video with the overpriced options and prove that the cheaper ones are better. Thanks
Sometimes I wonder if the "You don't need X" crowd even enjoy fishing. They talk about fishing as if they only fish because someone told them to ("You sir, go and have fishing as a hobby" ... "Ok, I guess I'll have to do as you say"), and now their only goal is to get something "useful" out of it by getting to X amount/size of fish caught on the smallest budget possible, without even having the level of enjoyment enter the equation. And that comes from me who see myself as frugal in general.
I come from a tournament background and love BFS. Baitcasters lay on deck much better, tangle way less often, and are way more accurate to cast. A note to you guys on speed. A Bfs reel is not even close to a spinning reel in line pick up. When you have a micro spool you need like twice the gear ratio to pick up the same line. The main factor for Bfs is FUN. I could teach you guys a thing or twelve. Keep Chankin' Bros. Yankeelipper
There is absolutely nothing I can do on bfs that I can't do on spin.. you absolutely don't need it.. but it's fun throwing around finesse lures on a baitcaster. Here in Australia, we do a lot of finesse fishing for bream, and for a long time I wanted a BC that I could use for bream when the bass season finishes here. Now that it's possible, I have 3 bfs combos in the boat at all times. The biggest issue with bfs is domestic availability and our fishing here is done primarily in salt water. A lot of BC reels don't handle salt well. Pretty much all spin reels sold on the Aussie market are designed for salt water use, and if they aren't, they don't sell.
I think BFS has a place in the market and is a viable option to try and get a hook in a fish's lips. At this point it's not an option for me but if or when i feel it might be then I'll try it.
After watching almost all of your BFS videos I finally decided to pull the trigger on my first BFS combo, pairing a Kastking Kestrel (not the elite) with a Handing BFS rod, I figure if it works in Michigan it should work in my similar waters here in Maine and my accuracy with my spinning reel is average at best.
I've had a 40 $ 6,6 cadence rod and a 35 $ piscifun reel for like 3 years now for bass. I do everything with it and it didn't hurt my pockets. Fly fishing stuff is a different story😅
Bfs (Bait finesse system) Alot of these youtubers got it mixed with ultralight fishing. BFS started in japan. Yukihiro sawamura was the founder of this technique. This style of fishing was founded to target high pressure waters and being able to catch these pressured fish. Yukihiro is also a pro bass angler in japan. BFS was not designed to cast super light lures as many people i have seen try casting 1/32 1/64 etc. All in all it was designed for bass fishing to use lighter lures to catch highly pressured bass in japan. This is why spinning gear is much more superior than baitcasting gear in ul fishing.
I'm a pure spinning gear guy(except catfish). But I know guys who don't like spinning setups and hated that they couldn't ultralight without stepping into the spinning world. This lets them come to the "Lite Side" and still use their beloved bait caster... ... I still catch more fish though 🤣...
Retreive on a new baitcaster hg and xg are so fast most of the time you will miss fish when they are moving slower so you need to slow down pike crazy while a slower reel you can always retreive faster which is harder to do on a hg xg reel
I guess some of us were fortunate enough to have learned Baitcasting Early on so its second nature.. the Accuracy alone is a major reason why we do need them, some just dont know yet that they need them until the see one of us with confidence Plop a bait into a tight spot, and make that exact same cast within 1 Foot over and over again, Impossible to do with Spinning outfit .
It’s 100% worth it I’ve been fishing for a year now with regular rods and reels I barley catch fish with a bfs set up I caught my pb bass and a whole bunch of fish
To be honest BFS is a freaking blast. Do you need specific line sure it makes the experience better as these guys have said. But for me catching 2 and 3 pound Crappie on BFS. I still use spinning as well. Folks keep the lines tight and those lips sore!
I have a Magic and agree 100% its a great rod for the money. I got it for $37 when Amazon had a 50% off coupon for it. Just got a Mavlos for the same $$ and it’s a noticeably lower quality rod.
Its a simple cash grab from the industry. Many dont cast below a 1/8oz very well and you can do that on multiple standard 70 to 100 size reels that arent bfs specific.
Speak for yourself… plus if you don’t like it; just don’t buy it. How complicate is that logic. No one is putting a gun on your head to go and buy it. I guarantee there’s things you do that I don’t like it either. 😂
@@leepao6302 simple fact is it 100% is a cash grab for many of the companies. You can do exactly the same things with standard reels on a medium or medium light rod ad so called bfs setups. Now I'm not saying all are that but...for the most part it is. Without upgrading multiple things in most the reels you won't cast light (actual ultra light) lures on them. That was proven by a guy that only fishes bfs now lol smh. He has a list of like 2 maybe 3 reels that are actual ultra light bfs reels.
@@blind_eye_fishinglogically never believe anyone who never done it or used it … jokes on you because I’ve been fishing BFS gears since 2009 so I have to say you don’t know what you’re talking about it. Plus we can say that to literally anything we don’t understand or doesn’t like it 😂
@@leepao6302 haha you should never assume anything. I was building and selling shallow spool reels from my tackle shop in the late 90s to early 2000s. There was no bfs reel in 2009 the first actual shallow spool bfs reel released in 2012. In 2009 a shimano mg was released but wasn't a actual bfs reel. It was designed to throw lighter lures yes but like 1/8th and above was it sweet spots. Go tell your lies ro someone else and seems only novice here is you. I'm 100% a more aggressively above average angler 😂.
@@blind_eye_fishing if you think I’m lying just google Daiwa Pixy 68 it made in 2009 and it’s true that Shimano didn’t get into the scene later towards 2012 but Daiwa started the shallow spool reel trend way before Shimano did; so seems like you’re one lying here 😂 plus sounds like you never visit Japan then. One last thing that makes no sense if you say BFS is a scam as you mentioned but yet you also owned a tackle shop too. These two information doesn’t add up 😂 you’re such a terrible liar 😂
Bfs is fun. Its not needed. You could just do a texas rig on a spinning rod and youll catch bass anywhere. Nobody is forcing anybody to buy a bfs rod. Lol
It’s such a huge Marketing Idea this BFS crap lol when by definition we “Finesse” a 1 ounce Jig punching through thick ass cover, we use finesse techniques to trigger a Bite lol… I would absolutely rather use an Egg Beater to toss a 1/16 oz Jig than a Baitcasting Reel. It’s the better Mousetrap Marketing. Let’s start some Acronym Chatter, Big F***ing Scam, Bass Fishing Suckers etc. lol and Opinions are like A**Holes so there’s mine. Semper Fidelis Guys stay safe
BFS has its place but it is not to replace spinning rods. Spinning rods simply have functions you cant get with casing setups. Disregarding that is a real diservice and misleading to your audience and makes me think you just want to sell something that is not "needed". BFS is a luxury item, get a spinning rod before a BFS.
What’s defensive about it? You came in hot claiming we mislead our audience. We promote both spinning and bfs, so we don’t mislead. That’s just facts man. Why are you on the offense 😂. We’re just having fun out here. Good vibes dawg!
Did you even listen to what the guys were saying in the video? They didn’t mislead anyone; they gave a positive and informative point a view for both spinning and bait finesse. No need to come in swinging like that.
this and the "ned rig" got me boggled. i been using a 3in senk on a small jig head since i was 9, plus rapala has been making small "finesse baits" wtf is the dif
Doing more and more with BFS reels on the kayak because it's just dang fun. I still wade with a spinning rod though because I'm only carrying one rod and it sucks when a backlash ends your whole fishing trip.
It's mostly just preference. Whatever you're more comfortable with is what you should use. Love my baitcasters and for lighter stuff I prefer spinning. It’s hard to beat the smoothness of the spinning reels drag.
I usually have about 8 rods on the deck. Usually 50/50 spinning/baitcasting. Now, I have around 60/30/10. Baitcast, BFS, spinning. Main reason is so I can lay the rods in one direction without tripping over the darn spinning rods handle! 😅
I just got a bfs setup Thursday. I want it because I am much more accurate with a baitcaster than a spinning setup.
BFS a new style of fishing...why complain in fishing one thing is constant lots of choices! I love BFS and am still feeling out what set up is for me. Thanks guys always refreshing to get an honest opinion man!
To put it simply: BFS is fun. People that have never used it can’t really speak on it until they’ve at least tried it.
Totally agree with you! Its all in the anglers choice. The great thing about fishing you can catch on anything thing from a cane pole to a Megabass rod and reel Just have fun and enjoy being outdoors fishing!
BFS origins as I understand it is from Japan. Japanese trout fishermen to be specific. Using modified old baitcasters, like Abu Garcia type round reels to fish for trout on streams became very popular. Both for the ability to throw very small baits and to make wrist cast in tight spaces. As with many things in Japanese culture, fashion and Esthetics played an equally important role with function. The more this gained popularity the more tackle companies took interest. This is why Shimano made a round BFS reel & Daiwa Silver Creek reel. It all bleed over into the bass work and here we are.
Love the content! Appreciate your review and opinions! Totally agree its the angeles choice! If you want to do it and can then do it and enjoy it, if not then just don't. Keep the good stuff coming!
Bfs is the best thing since slice bread
My setup: 23 Shimano Conquest with roro spool paired with Old18 buoyancy UL rod. Been using this since the last 15 trips
My other combo is 21 Antares DC with Shimano MH conquest rod. Sitting in the corner of my garage for 5 months now.
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Do you recommend the Old18 Light casting rod? I've been on the fence between buying the Old18 or a Kastking Kestrel light action rod. ? New to bfs and would love to hear anyone's thoughts or suggestions.
I’ve been fishing BFS since 2009 and still loved to this day. My intro into BFS is after my visiting from Japan start to develop a interested to it and then it’s a obsession now.
Early of 2019 as I remember is when BFS is starting to get a lot attention from the mainstream fishing industry after that year Kastking release the first quote and quote and USDM BFS reel the Zephyr that is budget friendly too. But just a side note this is not the first the time the US fishing mainstream industry tries to bring over BFS. They try back in 2012 by tackle warehouse, but it was never catch on to most angler due to price given at that time.
So my opinion on “should you or should you not” buy into this BFS thing people calling it scams? The real question is are you a person love to try new things or do you want it when it comes to fishing? If your answer is “No” then don’t buy it; it doesn’t get any simpler as that.
Seriously… this shouldn’t be any debate at all. I’m surprise there’s stup!d people complain about shit they don’t want it. Plus in my honest opinion as a person who been doing BFS fishing for so long; if you think BFS is stupid and it’s a scam? then the BFS community don’t need you neither, because you’re giving the BFS genre a bad reps and don’t need negative narrow minded nut head to this community. There I say it 😂
Well said! Everything is a debate these days 😂
Almost the exact same thing happened with Tenkara. Most Americans were like "Why? I've had a cane pole since I was 6 years old," or "Why not just fly fish with real equipment?" Personally, I fell in love with Tenkara because of the artistry, simplicity, and mostly the fun of it. It's just a simple alternative to western style fly fishing.
With BFS it's actually not a more simple alternative to spinning ultralight fishing as much as it's arguably a better alternative. Baitcasters are simply a superior reel system/design to spinning reels. Sure that's a debatable statement, but it's more factual than it is just opinion. I love that I can now do more with a baitcaster. I love using my baitcaster combos, but those were previously only useful for larger fish. I love going after smaller species of fish (hence Tenkara), but I really don't like spinning reels as much as I do baitcasters.
All that being said, I'm not jumping headfirst into BFS and throwing a lot of money at it. I currently have one relatively discount BFS combo, and I'm working on putting together a second (but insisting it also be relatively inexpensive). I have probably plunked $100 or so into "BFS" baits/lures, but almost all of those can be used with my ultralight spinning gear, too. I didn't get "suckered" into BFS -- I simply got more interested than I previously was in ultralight because of BFS. I like ultralight fishing, but I also really like baitcasters. For me it was a great answer to a personal dilemma with fishing.
As I commented more or less with the same words a couple weeks ago: If I prefer throwing a 3/8oz or a 1/2oz lure on a baitcaster instead of on spinning gear, why is it strange if I also would prefer throwing a 1/8 or 1/4oz lure on a baitcaster as long as it's castable? The inherent benefits of a baitcasting setup don't evaporate into thin air just because we go down in lure weights.
You can 100% throw 1/8oz on a none bfs reel lol. Diawa ca80, shimano slx mgl 70 will cast that all day on a medium rod lol. I cast 1/8oz jig head with small grubs and 2.7in paddle tails on a 13 fishing mh moderate crankbait rod with the shimano slx mgl 70 and 12lb line. I can't cast 1/16 oz though and that I'll use a spinning setup for.
@@blind_eye_fishing That seals it -- BFS is a scam. That's a quick transition though from not being able to throw 1/16 at all but being able to throw 1/8 "100%" on a non-BFS reel and medium rod. If you throw a 1/8oz crankbait "100%" on that setup I can only congratulate you. But there's more to it than castability, how lightweight the overall setup is for example. The Shimano SLX MGL 70, however great for its price, comes in at 200g. That's 65g or over 2oz more than my $80 BFS reel...
@@borreholic nd!!! Well the Daiwa cc80 will also do the things my shimano mgl 70 does lol its light as well. But seriously whats a extra oz in your hand you really can't tell a huge difference when you're using ot especially when it's on a super light weight rod 😂. And it's only what 60$ lol
i live in the northern part of the midwest and bfs is a bit of a game changer for me. being able to downsize full sized presentations that are traditionally used with regular old casting gear is really nice around smaller fish. the control you have with a baitcaster compared to a spinning rod over finnicky, large bass when you hook them on bfs is great and its just plain fun. Something about pitching around a micro jig/micro texas rig on a spinning rod just doesnt feel right to me, so i got into bfs. the last several bass ive caught over 4-5lbs were all on bfs, and ive been catching them more frequently and consistently since i started using bfs. it just gets bit in areas where catching anything 6+ is rare.
What makes a baitcaster a finesse baitcaster? Is it just a lighter and more shallow spool? Are the internals built different too?
All of that and more. The design allows you to cast ultralight lures aka under 1/16 oz
@@aaanglers Thank you for your reply. So I can't take a baitcaster with a deep spool and replace it with a shallow spool to make it into a BFS acting baitcaster?
After watching this vid i bought a KastKing Zephyr for $34 (slightly used) with some kind of 4lb braid. Back lashed a few times then upgraded the line to Reaction Tackle 6lb and not had any issues...But I will upgrade the bearings for sure!
I tried bfs late last yr. And I love it. It really is a lot of fun. So now when I go fishing I'm always bringing my bfs setup and using that more then my regular bass gear.
I've now built 8 different bfs setups that are technique specific. I love it!! Ultralight to Medium. I honestly like to build all my setups to be technique specific, so I own many setups. Plus I hate tying lures 😂
I've never fished a bait casting rod. I've only fished smaller, fresh water bait casting reels, down tide fishing off a boat. Never tried casting. Because I've never had any instructions / tuition on how to use the reels casting and how to set them up correctly. I think using a bait casting reel set up to me, is technically more difficult, than using a spinning reel casting. I use spinning reels for beach fishing. But I know people who are definitely cast further using multiplier reels / larger bait casting reels. So I would very much like to learn how to use a bait casting set up. But don't have the confidence to try it, without help and tuition. Sadly I don't know anyone in the UK, who fishes that way. Don't think I've honestly seen that many bait casting rods / reels in the tackle shops either. But then I'm not really looking. Learning a great deal more from your channel and adapting methods to spinning.
greetings, I'm from Croatia. I can say that you two are great. i started bfs technique in 1918 when i bought tailwalk fullrange bf81 reel and black hole dark horse c642L casting rod. after some time i came across your channel. after that I now have a shimano slx bfs reel, a soloking acura and a soloking bmc100 reel and two more bfs rods from Poland (the company Dragon t46 graphite fuji equipment...) BFS rocks !!!
Awesome!
From 2018 i am fishing bfs ...my bad not the 1918 😂😂😂😂
Anyway great technique keep going guys!!!
I love BFS it’s extremely fun. BFS was developed originally for trout fishing in Japans small streams where it would be impossible to
Cast anything else but a bait caster that can throw tiny lures. I use mine here In Iowa on the driftless region and have been able cast where some of the fly fisherman can not
for me bfs isn’t for throwing 1/32nd trout magnets. It’s for throwing heavier crappie jigs, 2 and 2.8 inch swimbaits, booyah pond magic spinnerbaits, 65mm jerkbaits , ned rigs etc. Casts these baits amazingly but for the truly small stuff I still prefer spinning for ease of use.
I don’t have a valid opinion, but I have other wants prior to becoming informed… like a dedicated crank set up 😆. It’ll be something to consider once my arsenal is a bit further along 😬.
I Couldn’t have said it better. It’s just a different way to finesse fish. I’ve used BFS stuff since about 2005 when I wanted to throw my Super fluke jr wireless. I got a Chronarch 50 then a Daiwa pixy then 16 Aldebaran… I now have 2 Conquest BFS, 22 Alde and a KK VE 2… it’s not a fad. It’s a philosophy. Making 2lb bass fun.
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BFS Fishing is fun. I’ve been casting accurate , fishing a little faster and more efficiently. It’s great for pressured fisheries. I still use a spinning rod for casting further but for close quarter action I use my BFS set up. It’s been a great compliment to my bank style of fishing. BFS is enjoyable. I’m glad there are budget friendly options now in the U. S. Don’t knock it until you try it! 🤙🏾🙏🏽
I enjoy bfs for the accuracy of a baitcaster. And use the same muscle memory for casts from everything from the bfs to the swimbait rods.
I've been fishing BFS since the early 1990's. I used a tiny little Ryobi V-Max 3 miniature baitcast reel with light line. The Achilles heel for that real was bushings instead of bearings and it had a v spool. Compared to the Lew Childre's and Garcia's of the day though... It was a BFS setup.
BFS fishing actually started with Midwest finesse in the '60s and '70s in and around the Kansas City metro with people throwing essentially what we call the Ned Rig and The Beetle spin. Obviously they were using spinning gear but the theory is... The Midwest summer bass bite slows to a halt when the weather gets hot. You still want to catch fish so you downsize your bait and catch all sorts of species.
That style of fishing moved to Japan where they developed actual bait casting setups to handle those light lures.
Then it finally makes its way back to the United States 8 or 10 years ago. Though we still had to import the reels from ichiban tackle.
The first reel that I imported was a Daiwa pixy and it blew my doors off. I put that reel on a 6' ML Bass Pro micro light rod with 6 lb mono.
I had several modern expensive Lew's rods and reels but as a Midwest Finesse Bank fisherman, I probably fished that BFS set up the most. It was just the most fun. Catching moderate size fish on such a light setup was a hoot. Not to mention when I accidentally caught a 20 lb carp on that setup... The most fun I've ever had fishing.
Fast forward to today: I've got an ark gravity BFS on a light rod and it's leaps and bounds ahead of that Daiwa Pixy I had for fraction of the price.
I love fishing BFS. Fishing 1/8 oz tiny traps and posting my catches and my stories was actually what got me sponsored as a field staffer for Bill Lewis lures several years ago.
Tiny traps are the Ned Rig of crankbaits... Fantastic for multi-species and annihilate the white bass bite.
I don’t understand why it’s a scam?,”BFS”you don’t like it”don’t buy it” No worries it’s that sample. If you can’t afford and think it’s a scam”jealous ““mind your own business “. I want it and I’m poor but it’s so much funnier ,also new style of fishing, I’m a fisherman anything that is going to make fishing fun I’m down, It’s lite and I can cast for hours no problem, so my point is it’s an advantage . My set up is an old18, paired with JDM Dawia BFS reel.
Great Video, Shimano Slx Bfs left /right 6.3 gear ratio on Amazon for less than $175.00
I recently jumped into the bfs and went with a starter set up using the kastking kestrel and paired it with a bfs kastking rod. Ive been at it for a few weeks now, and here are my overall first impressions and things ive learned so far. To start with, i do not recommend braid to flouro lead. The idea is, braid is thinner diameter for smoother casting while still providing strength. I have found that the casting is much smoother if you just went with flouro the whole way, the line diameter difference is marginal and birds nests are much easier to get out than with braid (especially with thin line). Second, always tune your bait perfectly to the reel perfectly before you start fishing (even on a re-tie) or its going to be non-stop backlash. Last, the smaller lighter your bait is, accept the fact that you just won't be able to cast as far as you'd like even with high end gear. We still live in a world bound by the laws of physics, and there are things like wind resistance that are going to slow you down.
Tbh, im 50/50 on bfs fishing. The jury is still out, but i cant say im completely sold. As of right now it seems like its more for looks because im using a cool little baitcaster set up, throwing little baits that i could already fish efficiently with my spinning set ups. Then you add in all the annoying backlashes, it almost feels unnecessary. You should always do what makes you happy and this philosophy is part of what motivated to try bfs.
If i really wanted to, i could probably grab my spinning reel and rig it with the same bait and let it go head to head with my bfs rod and see which performs best. Im inclined to think the spinning combo would win out. Or maybe its just that I'm more experienced with my spinning combo and i need more practice with bfs. In the meantime im gonna continue running my bfs set up for now and see if i can make a case for sticking with it.
What set up do you have? What line did you use? I have found that Varivas braid has been phenomenal for casting and easy to get birdsnests/backlashes out. It practically fixes itself. With a good reel, you will be really happy.
I started with BFS first then got a UL spinning setup. I kinda like the spinning better, but maybe because my spinning combo is very specialized while my bfs combos I got without any thorough research
I have been using a Daiwa Tatula SV with 8LB floro on a 7’2” Med for years. Throwing light Ned’s, tiny Swimbait,or micro chatter baits. What would I gain from a BFS?
Nothing unless you want to go liggter than 1/16 and/or use 2-6 lb fluoro
Thank you for the quick response
I bought a KK Kestrel rod and reel to get my feet wet and I love it, especially for horizontal fishing…as in crank baits and small spinners on 6lb braid
I still prefer my ultralight spinning rigs for slow vertical retrieves like jigs and micro neds
My biggest reason is no line twist !
I just find baitcasters more comfortable to me. Its really preference at this point. I would never knock someone who genuinely enjoys spincast reel. Theres some high end versions of those and those wouldnt exist unless theres a market for it.
Like yall said. How can you really diss bfs when you havent tried it
I just pulled the trigger on a budget (value?) BFS rig today, so it was funny to see this video drop. I've fished spin cast and fly for 40 years, bought a med-heavy bait caster last year, then a heavy because pig jigs, and I couldn't help but wonder - would some of my small jerk baits not work better with a BFS rig? So here we go. I'm sure I won't just throw away my ultra-light spinner, but I can see it getting less time on the water if this works.
Nice!
I hate spinning reels and won't use them. My "bfs" is a dobyns sierra ultra finesse 7ft light extra fast rod with jdm shimano slx dc xt 70 reel and 8lb fluorocarbon. I don't need to throw anything less than 1/16oz for bass or use 4lb fluorocarbon. If you were fishing for trout or bluegill, you could go lighter, but i don't see any reason for bass fishing. Either way, use whatever you want.
It is not a scam or to replace spinning gear. The correct term is bait finesse,BFS is a term owned by shimano and used for thier bait finesse reels and rods. Bait finesse has its place especially in japan. The bait finesse concept was developed by pro bass angler yukihiro sawamura in 2011 for highly pressured bass in clear water lakes,in or around cover and structure. The biggest advantage it has against spinning gear is the ability to use heavier lines 6-12lb fluorocarbon that would be a hassle to use with spinning reels, 2-5 lb fluorocarbon is what they use in japan for finesse fishing with spinning gear and still be able to pitch or skip light weight usally 3.5-5 gram lures/soft plastic rigs around cover and structure keep in mind japanese bass fishing is mostly done with fluorocarbon line. Bait finesse originated as a cover fishing technique that utilizes light weight shallow spool baitcasters with high gear ratios and rods with strong backbone and soft tips to help pitch or skip the light baits and stop bass from going back in cover. Japanese Bait finesse rods are mainly bass rod's with fast actions and soft tips even the UL and Light power models have serious backbone and fast action's.
Great information thank you happy Easter
I have 1 BFS combo and I'm definitely going to invest in another one at some point. It's just fun. I still use spinning rods, but I've been loving using a BFS combo for trout, Panfish, and dink bass 😂
Yes BFS is last I caught an 8 pound largemouth on a pound test on a small 1/4 ounce spinner. It was awesome. Yes I do like BFS I’m using a Kistler chromium 801 with the BFS four wanted yes this awesome.
I know you guys are just starting to get on the water again, I'd love to just see more vids of you two fishing. Love all the gear stuff but it would be nice to see more of you two just going out and having fun. I liked the videos of you two and Ethan slaying it out there.
Working on it!
Flipping and pitching is my thing. I can’t with a spinning reel. I just can’t be accurate with a spinning. I think BFS is perfect for drop shots
New subscriber here, I like your content. Enjoyed your take on BFS. Thank you.
Thanks for the sub!!!
Really wanted to hate you guys - but you’re like Beyoncé’s new album… I just can’t! You are actually one place on the internet where I feel like I’m getting product information not biased by commissions to sell it. You have aligned yourselves with the interests of your audience not the manufacturers. That’s a good thing and I hope you are very successful.
I’m very interested in DC reels. Especially the lower priced offerings: Looking forward to your thoughts on that one.
Swe have donee an slx dc video in the past. Honestly I don’t care about em much. The just make a cool sound. We grab our regular braking system reels 9 times out of 10.
Thanks!
I think it’s definitely a preference, if people don’t like it then don’t buy it 😂. I’m a fan of spinning and casting.
I’m just researching BFS. Why all the controversy? Fish what makes you happy. If it works for you who cares about negative comments or opinions. Last year I caught an 11# 7 oz catfish on a 4’ ultra, ultra light spinning rod using 4# line. Who cares what rod I used, except for me it was the most fun catch I’ve ever had in 60 years of fishing. That includes any equipment and any fish. Even a 44.5” (25#) Muskie on much heavier casting equipment. If someone doesn’t like how you are fishing don’t waste your time fishing with them or reading their comments. Just smile and catch another one!
People just like to argue 🤷♂️
We are with you 🙌
I mean, I love fishing with light tackle. But I can’t see spending that kinda money on extra set ups, just to do it with a bait cast reel. When I have so many spin set ups at my disposal. I know guys love it, and more power to them. How y’all spend your money is up to you. But to me it’s a waist, I could put that money towards more traditional bait cast reels. But that’s just my opinion. Cause I’m Spaceman 😂
I use bfs on spinning setup. I don't feel like I need to replace my rods and reels because I want to use new lures. I already have ultralight spinning setups.
2 things for me...fishing from a canoe or kayak...#1 - 1 handed casting...big win for me...#2 - if I get a backlash...I can clear it in 10-20 second....I have spent 15 minutes untangling a spinning reel snarl...I don't go below 1/16 oz lures....so, casting distant has been about the same. It's been nice to learn a new skill and have options
Look , if you like to zip and whip rods out like a Kitana while casting and finesse a move like jerk and twitch to get a fish . go with BFS . Shits a lot of fun .
BFS: Cast with one hand (more accurate casting) and adjust your drag while reeling (catch more fish). Spinning: You have to flip the bail to cast and stop reeling to adjust drag (you could lose the fish at this point)
Fair points!
I love bait finesse because I hate spinning gear….actually I suck at using spinning gear is why I hate spinning gear😳Plus, I have tiny hands so a BFS reel feels in my hand the way a 150 sized reel feels in a normal person’s hand😊
2026 elite anglers will use bfs because the waters “too pressured”
Sounds like fun and ain’t that what fishing is all about. I’ll have to look into it next time I’m in the market for another rod and reel. Who am I kidding, I’m always in the market for a new rod and reel. Definitely going to look at bfs in the near future.
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If BFS was truly a thing, wouldn’t guys like Fujita and Ito be doing it on tour for their finesse presentation?
Not when you’re giant fish hunting. None of those guys are using ultralight either.
@@paulglass7268 we chase giant smallmouth in my neck of the woods. We use light powered spinning rods, a lot of crappie style baits and line that ranges from 4-7 pound test. No one is doing it on a BFS setup. I wouldn’t go so far as to say BFS is a scam, but it’s completely unnecessary. I have yet to find a situation where I’ve thought, “man I wish I had a bfs set up right now”. With that said, if you’re into BFS and it’s keeping you excited about fishing, keep doing what you’re doing. Even on tournament day it’s still all about fun.
@@fishingthe262 a 7,6” light rod is nothing like an ultralight. I’m in MI, big smallmouth is what we do. I don’t target 5lb smallmouth with BFS either. That doesn’t mean you can’t or that BFS doesn’t have a place. Would you frog with a light spinning rod? Flip? No, it wouldn’t be as good. BFS isn’t necessary but that doesn’t mean it isn’t great at some things.
@@fishingthe262 what unnecessary about having a preference? i can throw dynamite in the lake and say using rod and reel is a scam.
@@eddyray-yb6ig first and for most, I never said it was a scam. Go back and actually read what was written. I said if you’re into it and it keeps you excited go for it. Reading comprehension is an actual thing.
I like both and use both. I also put bfs reels on 8ft crappie poles.
Fishing with a pole is fun
No matter how you prefer.
Agreed!
I don’t even understand why some of these topics even exist lol. What the person across the lake is fishing with has absolutely nothing to do with me lol. I don’t own a single BFS item, however, I love casting with my casting reel. I’m better at my spinning reel, but prefer my casting. If I can have fun and enjoy my casting reel, yet throw the small spinning reel baits, I totally would. But that’s my prerogative. I’m the one fishing for me, not you 😂
Totally agree! Do you and don’t yuck other peoples yum! That’s our opinion!
yeah considering you can get a bfs reel for 30 bucks that out performs 500 dollar shimano reels is proof its not a scam. whats a scam is relabeling made in china products and selling it for 5 times what its actually worth. 99% of the bfs rods made domestic or in japan are from china. you can buy rods directly from there for less than 50 bucks but if you want a shimano label on it you gonna pay $300+ for the same quality.
im pretty sure these guys have their own rod they trying to sell thats made in china. if its close to 100 bucks, thats the scam.
@@aaanglers a scam is selling a made in china rod with no fuji guides for almost 100 bucks.
@@eddyray-yb6ig I won't defend the free market antics, that's kinda how it is. Would love to see a link to the $50 reel equivalent to the $300 reel so we could check it out.
Let clear up a few things since you've been trying to pop off on us in our comments though...
1. We don't sell any rods. We did a collab with Monsterbass last year on a SPINNING rod. We don't work with them anymore.
2. We don't work with any of these companies, so whether you buy them or not doesn't bother us.
3. Send us the links to these products that are 1/5 the price so we can put them head to head in a video with the overpriced options and prove that the cheaper ones are better.
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@@aaanglers soloking acura.
Sometimes I wonder if the "You don't need X" crowd even enjoy fishing. They talk about fishing as if they only fish because someone told them to ("You sir, go and have fishing as a hobby" ... "Ok, I guess I'll have to do as you say"), and now their only goal is to get something "useful" out of it by getting to X amount/size of fish caught on the smallest budget possible, without even having the level of enjoyment enter the equation. And that comes from me who see myself as frugal in general.
Nailed it!
BFS isn’t exactly needed but man is it fun. Imo it opens the door up for ultralight fishing but still doesn’t needs to be in your arsenal. Yet!!!!!
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I caught a 17lb carp on BFS gear the other day and it was a blast
I come from a tournament background and love BFS. Baitcasters lay on deck much better, tangle way less often, and are way more accurate to cast. A note to you guys on speed. A Bfs reel is not even close to a spinning reel in line pick up. When you have a micro spool you need like twice the gear ratio to pick up the same line. The main factor for Bfs is FUN. I could teach you guys a thing or twelve. Keep Chankin' Bros. Yankeelipper
if they were selling their own bfs line of rods made in china. they wouldnt call it a scam.
@@eddyray-yb6ig All these guys promoting this and that. And none catch fish like me, Who's the real scam.
@@yankeelipperfishing lmao
Keep talking about it!!! (B)eats (F)reaking (S)pinning !!!
Is bfs systems being used or allowed in the pro bass tournaments?
Really limited usage
BFS is life! Lol but I also carry a spinning rod along with me on my kayak.
Same!
There is absolutely nothing I can do on bfs that I can't do on spin.. you absolutely don't need it.. but it's fun throwing around finesse lures on a baitcaster. Here in Australia, we do a lot of finesse fishing for bream, and for a long time I wanted a BC that I could use for bream when the bass season finishes here. Now that it's possible, I have 3 bfs combos in the boat at all times. The biggest issue with bfs is domestic availability and our fishing here is done primarily in salt water. A lot of BC reels don't handle salt well. Pretty much all spin reels sold on the Aussie market are designed for salt water use, and if they aren't, they don't sell.
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I think BFS has a place in the market and is a viable option to try and get a hook in a fish's lips. At this point it's not an option for me but if or when i feel it might be then I'll try it.
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I'm not against BFS. I just think they need to bring down the price so more people can try it
It’s starting to come down now
I use bfs for trout. It gets me lots of bites where others don't get them.
After watching almost all of your BFS videos I finally decided to pull the trigger on my first BFS combo, pairing a Kastking Kestrel (not the elite) with a Handing BFS rod, I figure if it works in Michigan it should work in my similar waters here in Maine and my accuracy with my spinning reel is average at best.
Good choice!
For ponds, i love bfs combos over spinning rods
I have heard that you can use a bfs baitcaster reel on a little heavier rod like a medium light rod is that true
You can for 1/8 oz stuff, but you really need a lighter, whippier rod for the lighter lures
I have the zephyrbfs reel on a light 7' rod and I will be trying out tomorrow have a happy Easter
@raygissendanner1476 happy easter!
I've had a 40 $ 6,6 cadence rod and a 35 $ piscifun reel for like 3 years now for bass. I do everything with it and it didn't hurt my pockets. Fly fishing stuff is a different story😅
Not against BFS at all id love to try it and wouldn’t mind paying for it, but how do such small lures catch big fish??
Small finesse lures have been catching fish forever. Sometimes Bass want a smaller snack. Big bait, big bass is not always true either
I would like to try out a Kast King Kestrel though lol I bet it casts amazing.
BFS for the win!
Bfs (Bait finesse system)
Alot of these youtubers got it mixed with ultralight fishing. BFS started in japan. Yukihiro sawamura was the founder of this technique. This style of fishing was founded to target high pressure waters and being able to catch these pressured fish. Yukihiro is also a pro bass angler in japan. BFS was not designed to cast super light lures as many people i have seen try casting 1/32 1/64 etc. All in all it was designed for bass fishing to use lighter lures to catch highly pressured bass in japan. This is why spinning gear is much more superior than baitcasting gear in ul fishing.
Lol I love BFS and I'm 64 years old.
I'm a pure spinning gear guy(except catfish). But I know guys who don't like spinning setups and hated that they couldn't ultralight without stepping into the spinning world. This lets them come to the "Lite Side" and still use their beloved bait caster...
... I still catch more fish though 🤣...
Retreive on a new baitcaster hg and xg are so fast most of the time you will miss fish when they are moving slower so you need to slow down pike crazy while a slower reel you can always retreive faster which is harder to do on a hg xg reel
its like the argument that we dont need baitcasters i have friends who hate it because its hard and expensive.
I guess some of us were fortunate enough to have learned Baitcasting Early on so its second nature.. the Accuracy alone is a major reason why we do need them, some just dont know yet that they need them until the see one of us with confidence Plop a bait into a tight spot, and make that exact same cast within 1 Foot over and over again, Impossible to do with Spinning outfit .
lol down the youtube fishing conspiracy rabbit hole - the bfs-hemonion grove 😂😂😂😂
Scooper frog is must try 🙌
What line did you say you use? I didn’t catch it
Varivas
too each his/hers own
Agreed!
i want to start bfs what do i need to buy
The new kast king kestrel rod and reel are a good value.
@@aaanglers thanks i am probably going to get them
Wait so you telling me comma space man that you aren’t sponsored by BFS?
😂 nope, the actual genre of fishing “bfs” a non business entity, did in fact, NOT sponsor us
Total Jeff response! Love it! Keep it fun and fish on!
It’s 100% worth it I’ve been fishing for a year now with regular rods and reels I barley catch fish with a bfs set up I caught my pb bass and a whole bunch of fish
To be honest BFS is a freaking blast. Do you need specific line sure it makes the experience better as these guys have said. But for me catching 2 and 3 pound Crappie on BFS. I still use spinning as well. Folks keep the lines tight and those lips sore!
Heck yes!
Good fishing tool.. don't forget put and drink ur coffe..🎉😂
"Handing" has some ultra light bait caster rods for a pretty fair price, i don't think i've seen on this channel 🤔
Never heard of them, but will look into it!
I have a magic l and love it
I have a Magic and agree 100% its a great rod for the money. I got it for $37 when Amazon had a 50% off coupon for it. Just got a Mavlos for the same $$ and it’s a noticeably lower quality rod.
Ayy don't go talking about that micro texas! That's my multi species secret sauce! But why don't you peg or bobber stop your weight?
BFS is fun.
Its a simple cash grab from the industry. Many dont cast below a 1/8oz very well and you can do that on multiple standard 70 to 100 size reels that arent bfs specific.
Speak for yourself… plus if you don’t like it; just don’t buy it. How complicate is that logic. No one is putting a gun on your head to go and buy it. I guarantee there’s things you do that I don’t like it either. 😂
@@leepao6302 simple fact is it 100% is a cash grab for many of the companies. You can do exactly the same things with standard reels on a medium or medium light rod ad so called bfs setups. Now I'm not saying all are that but...for the most part it is. Without upgrading multiple things in most the reels you won't cast light (actual ultra light) lures on them. That was proven by a guy that only fishes bfs now lol smh. He has a list of like 2 maybe 3 reels that are actual ultra light bfs reels.
@@blind_eye_fishinglogically never believe anyone who never done it or used it … jokes on you because I’ve been fishing BFS gears since 2009 so I have to say you don’t know what you’re talking about it. Plus we can say that to literally anything we don’t understand or doesn’t like it 😂
@@leepao6302 haha you should never assume anything. I was building and selling shallow spool reels from my tackle shop in the late 90s to early 2000s. There was no bfs reel in 2009 the first actual shallow spool bfs reel released in 2012. In 2009 a shimano mg was released but wasn't a actual bfs reel. It was designed to throw lighter lures yes but like 1/8th and above was it sweet spots. Go tell your lies ro someone else and seems only novice here is you. I'm 100% a more aggressively above average angler 😂.
@@blind_eye_fishing if you think I’m lying just google Daiwa Pixy 68 it made in 2009 and it’s true that Shimano didn’t get into the scene later towards 2012 but Daiwa started the shallow spool reel trend way before Shimano did; so seems like you’re one lying here 😂 plus sounds like you never visit Japan then. One last thing that makes no sense if you say BFS is a scam as you mentioned but yet you also owned a tackle shop too. These two information doesn’t add up 😂 you’re such a terrible liar 😂
I know a lot of people who just dont use baitcasters at all.
Someone give me a nice high end BFS rod and reel and I'll put my opinion in 😏
Bfs is fun. Its not needed. You could just do a texas rig on a spinning rod and youll catch bass anywhere. Nobody is forcing anybody to buy a bfs rod. Lol
It’s such a huge Marketing Idea this BFS crap lol when by definition we “Finesse” a 1 ounce Jig punching through thick ass cover, we use finesse techniques to trigger a Bite lol… I would absolutely rather use an Egg Beater to toss a 1/16 oz Jig than a Baitcasting Reel. It’s the better Mousetrap Marketing. Let’s start some Acronym Chatter, Big F***ing Scam, Bass Fishing Suckers etc. lol and Opinions are like A**Holes so there’s mine. Semper Fidelis Guys stay safe
BFS has its place but it is not to replace spinning rods. Spinning rods simply have functions you cant get with casing setups. Disregarding that is a real diservice and misleading to your audience and makes me think you just want to sell something that is not "needed". BFS is a luxury item, get a spinning rod before a BFS.
We use both and promote both… but sure
Duh, why so deffensivce lol... @@aaanglers
What’s defensive about it? You came in hot claiming we mislead our audience. We promote both spinning and bfs, so we don’t mislead. That’s just facts man. Why are you on the offense 😂. We’re just having fun out here. Good vibes dawg!
@@Gavinskeycry baby 😂
Did you even listen to what the guys were saying in the video? They didn’t mislead anyone; they gave a positive and informative point a view for both spinning and bait finesse. No need to come in swinging like that.
Bfs is not cool
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@@aaanglers at all
@dropzBiG okie dokie
@@aaanglers in no 🌎
@@dropzBiGis it cooler than being a hater?! 😂