This episode came out after 9/11. I'm surprised Grampy didn't ask Moe "When do you get your flying carpet?". And when Moe responded that he's afraid of flying, Grampy would have said "Thats good. We don't want to lose anymore tall buildings".
"“The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb.” The saying means that chosen bonds are more significant than the bonds with family or “water of the womb.” More directly, it means that relationships you make yourself are far more important than the ones that you don't choose " Idk, now that I know the correct saying. I get a little annoyed when people use the incorrect one So I just, comment the correct one
Same actually. I was just about to bring that up when I saw your comment. After learning the origin of the phrase, it became so annoying how often it is missused to mean the opposite and even to justify family loyalty in the face of abusive behavior.
I read somewhere that's not the original quote and was created by an author to prop up found families instead of biological ones like the actual quote does. 🤷♀️
Gypsy being a slur I've learned is mixed. Some Romani say it is a slur, while others seem pissed that those Romani are taking what they call themselves away and prefer the term Gypsy. I've concluded that the whole thing is a mess that I have no say in as an outsider.
I'd avoid it because it comes from the word "Egypt". At the time, it was believed that the Romani originated in Egypt when they actually migrated to Europe from India. Not only is the word offensive to most Romani, it's factually wrong. However, some Romani, especially those in the United States, still use it because Americans wouldn't know what they're talking about when they say "Romani". That's what I've heard.
When I was younger I always heard the word “gyped” but never knew how it was spelt or what they were referring to. I thought it was spelt Jipped. Anyway, used it back in a forum and was called out for using a slur. Some understood because of how I spelt it and how I responded that I had no idea, but some insisted I was racist. 😢
I tend to avoid it, erring on the side of caution. Only using it if I'm clarifying what I mean by Romani. Otherwise sticking with Romani. Also this is kind of their issue to handle.
@@danicafugit2697 I hate people from that last category. Like, come on, it's possible for people to genuinely not know something. A lot of east asian cultures don't know the n-word as a slur, because they were never a part of that business. And I'm betting the people who know the Romani slur is a slur probably don't know a single slur in Kenya.
From what I'm seeing here, I'm sure the creators had no idea just how visible the problem would become over the next 20 years, but I think they tried their best even if it doesn't full-on tackle the issue im the end. What I'd like to have seen is her and her grandpa having THAT excuse. You know the one, the "of his time" excuse. And he has to eventually acknowledge that it was wrong then and it's wrong now. He could admit that he knows it's wrong and tell her he doesn't really know her friends, but he loves her and wants to be better for her sake. Then she can take that forward to her friend's relationship: that she doesn't really know him yet, but she loves her and wants to do right by her. It could let the friend feel safe enough to let her guard down and open up about the problem in her relationship.
Damn, it reminds me of Static Shock about racism even discussing about people’s sexuality, personality, the way they act even their preference. Boy, many kids shows got away with darker moments.
ToonrificTariq tacked the whole Braceface series in a video and yeah. Sharon was way too dismissive about her old grandpa. Not even just racist, it's rude in general.
Very sloppy execution. It had a lack of focus and tried to juggle multiple scenarios that honestly should have had their own separate episode dedicated to it. The one with Maria and the guy should have been its own episode. As for the Grandpa, from a narrative perspective he needed to be held accountable at some capacity. Not villainized but held accountable for his inappropriate attitudes towards people of color. An intervention. SOMETHING! Don’t just dismiss it as generational difference. Overall a well meaning but confusing mess of an episode.
the down side to these shows is when they PSA suddenly charters who never acted that way before do the PSA then never act that way again. the best thing to do is have each charter be hat way in every episode and work the issue out over time while never really getting over it.
I only ever saw clips of this show. I did not know what *that* episode meant. Based on this channel, I assumed it'd be some weird fetish thing where you ask "... did they creator know?" I was not ready for casual racism. That's an entirely different shield that I did not have up at the time.
In Europe we have the same problem of racism you have with black people but with the Roma people (different history, but it lead to a similar situation), then there are the thousands of national minorities which are each a world.
So after the og BraceFace video you did (about Busted), me and the fiancee decided to actually sit and watch BraceFace. Honestly? I think everyone should give it a chance. Once you see what they show is actually about, all the weird shit falls into place - it’s a show made to discuss topics you don’t want to bring up to your parents. There are episodes that are lowkey step-by-step instructions for Middle Schoolers in tough spots, such as their friend being inappropriately talked to by a teacher, handling a friend’s breakup, finding a way to keep step with your bullies, how to navigate tricky arguments/disagreements, and - yes - how to handle puberty and the insecurities it comes with. It’s genuinely a good show, and I mean that. Go try it!
I agree that the show itself isn’t bad, I just think even fans of it would say episodes like this and Busted were kinda questionable at the very least.
Braceface had some interesting episode themes that I haven't seen that many shows tackle, i.e. the period episode (Sharon gets her first period while out on her first date with the boy she likes). There was an episode where Sharon gave in to peer pressure and drank alcohol, another where she starved herself after the show's mean girl called her fat and so on and so forth.
I need to watch this series more, I mostly remember bits and pieces. And you did a riff on the breast implant episode, but there's an episode in this same season with presumptions about a guy's sexual orientation and I think it's the guy she's talking to after Maria calls out her privilege. But I'm not sure they ever use the word gay, which is reflected here too, he says, he's adorable when you'd know if you'd seen the other episode that he's apparently not into girls. Which isn't the one I thought it was, it's a later season, seemingly the one that wasn't broadcast on Disney because of the Busted episode
One thing I respect is that the grandfather DOESN'T Just stop being a bigot because he gets a nice talking to. Racism is one of those things that takes a lot of time and effort to overcome, and it requires a lot of self reflection, even from people with mild views. To many Very special episodes took the path of "oh the guy just stops being racist because he's told about it" which is both unrealistic AND gives the impression racism isn't that big a deal, which is dishonest. The hot dog thing I interpreted as he's at least willing to try to be more open minded, which is a good compromise
For a Canadian kids show, maybe it tackled it in a good enough way but the fact that sexism in the same episode which also may have had the grandpa double down on his beliefs about Muslims or those from the middle east was probably not great to put in the same episode. South Park did do way better on this though to the point that their black viewers loved how it was done
I feel like Maria is valid in her feelings towards Sharron’s grandpa, but the end kills it what could have been a good message. If it was shown that Sharron had a conversation with him and he tried to make an effort to change, it would have been better. That’s not to say that it’s as simple as a one time conversation irl. It’s not and some people don’t care to grow. Ultimately they chose to stay horrible people. You can’t change the minds of people who are too afraid to leave their bubble and grow a world view. I understand generational language differences but you can tell when someone is using language with the intent to be offensive. There is a difference between ignorance and racism. Edit because I thought of something else. Even if they had shown Sharron confronting her grandfather, even if he rejected her criticism, if the focus was on Sharron doing the right thing, and standing up for her friend and others, and acknowledging that her grandfather is wrong and that she was wrong for being dismissive, even that would have been better than how it ended.
A joke that flew over my head was the joke in the Dreamworks movie, ANTZ, where the wasps spoke with a 'sophisticated' accent and a snobbish demeanor. They were totally WASPS not just wasps.
Is it weird I thought for a second that the racist grandpa and the girl we’re gonna kiss? I know that sounds messed up but watch plane hitting her in the face scene again and tell me that’s not what they’re building up to!!!😅😅😅
Would've been more interesting if the grandpa was the one to notice the sexism because of his racism and have it turned back on him like "Why can you be aware of what other people are doing wrong but not what you yourself are doing wrong" would've been a good way to get the character introspecting and actually give him an arc instead of whatever this was.
Idk i feel like the message was that you cant control how people are and some parts of them are hard to deal with but you cant let the bad parts block all the good. Also if you talk about it and try to understand each other, you can both change or adjust your perspective.
Never in my life til today have I EVER seen a cartoon or kids show talkimf abkut racism and all that such but at least static shock taught us an important lesson about unlike braceface that one guy stood up for his friend and got angry at his own dad for being a racist piece of crap while the main character from braceface thought it was funny that her grandpa being racist was being funny which is not so yeah.
No it is a slur because it was literally classed as such by Romani groups since like the 1980s. It's a term thats been used in the racism/prejudice against them, has been used to generalize their culture and was a mislabel in the first place (Being that they were thought to be Egyptian). Kind of like how "Indians" was a mislabel for Native Americans. Of course the way these given names are treated isn't exact.
@@josjos-x5s First of all, if "gypsy" were a slur, then how come RUclips isn't censoring my comment despite them also censoring such words as "aut1$m" and "b1g0t"? Secondly, I somehow doubt that you yourself are Romanian, so you probably shouldn't be saying what is or isn't offensive to them.
One problem is that only 'european and english' people can be racist, they never like showing the reverse. Hence why people who come over say only 'certain people can be' while everyone else isn't. The result is in the present.
Just cause you have different skin, nationality or even views doesnt make you a bad person. If the grampa showed hostility then he'd clearly be the badguy but he was pulling humor and the arab was going along with the jokes. If the arab pulled a joke about grey foxes then i believe the gramps would've taken the humor just as well. But then again i wouldnt know how this episode went. This video is my intro to it but i find that the way a person acts says more than what they say.
A lot of times people who experience racism laugh and crack jokes to cope with a common and awkward situation in part because if you call people out on their racism or ignorance, they get defensive and say “it’s just a joke” “you’re too sensitive” “lighten up” etc. it’s easier to dismiss and deflect by playing a long, not being we think it’s funny or ok but because we’ll be dismissed or raged against for calling it out.
Video title: “Watching THAT episode of Braceface”.
Me: Do you realize how little that narrows it down?
Replace Braceface with Totally Spies, and that statement is exactly as accurate.
This episode came out after 9/11. I'm surprised Grampy didn't ask Moe "When do you get your flying carpet?". And when Moe responded that he's afraid of flying, Grampy would have said "Thats good. We don't want to lose anymore tall buildings".
the execs were really pushing for "camel jockey", but when the writers segued into an asian joke is when they _really_ got *hard.*
"grandpa is not racist, he takes us to Chinatown"
same energy as "i'm not racist, i have a black friend"
It's literally the same energy as "I'm not racist, I enjoy chinese food".
"I'm not a racist, I've eaten at Taco Bell."
“This nation isn’t racist, we had Obama as president”
He showed us how to kick the gong around!
HEEDIE HEEDIE HEEDIE HEE
compared to I'm not racist I only make fun of white people
"That episode of braceface" narrow downs nothing.
It’s like asking Blight who’s father he murdered
I was assuming it was the breast expansion episode 😂
Thumbnails are valuable sources of info and context if you pay attention.
C O R R E C T
@@rco7195😂 expected that one too
One thing I can say about braceface is that the creators aren’t afraid to tackle adult themes
Imagine being the grandpas voice actor, reading your lines for the first time
I think it sounds like Brave Heart Lion. Because that is the voice of a Care Bear Cousin.
"Hah! Get it? Camels! Oh, mercy...anyway, when do we start recording?"
" Um that's not in the script, but thanks for the initiative
"“The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb.” The saying means that chosen bonds are more significant than the bonds with family or “water of the womb.” More directly, it means that relationships you make yourself are far more important than the ones that you don't choose "
Idk, now that I know the correct saying. I get a little annoyed when people use the incorrect one
So I just, comment the correct one
Same actually. I was just about to bring that up when I saw your comment. After learning the origin of the phrase, it became so annoying how often it is missused to mean the opposite and even to justify family loyalty in the face of abusive behavior.
I read somewhere that's not the original quote and was created by an author to prop up found families instead of biological ones like the actual quote does. 🤷♀️
Gypsy being a slur I've learned is mixed. Some Romani say it is a slur, while others seem pissed that those Romani are taking what they call themselves away and prefer the term Gypsy. I've concluded that the whole thing is a mess that I have no say in as an outsider.
I'd avoid it because it comes from the word "Egypt". At the time, it was believed that the Romani originated in Egypt when they actually migrated to Europe from India. Not only is the word offensive to most Romani, it's factually wrong. However, some Romani, especially those in the United States, still use it because Americans wouldn't know what they're talking about when they say "Romani". That's what I've heard.
When I was younger I always heard the word “gyped” but never knew how it was spelt or what they were referring to. I thought it was spelt Jipped. Anyway, used it back in a forum and was called out for using a slur. Some understood because of how I spelt it and how I responded that I had no idea, but some insisted I was racist. 😢
I tend to avoid it, erring on the side of caution. Only using it if I'm clarifying what I mean by Romani. Otherwise sticking with Romani.
Also this is kind of their issue to handle.
@@danicafugit2697 I hate people from that last category. Like, come on, it's possible for people to genuinely not know something. A lot of east asian cultures don't know the n-word as a slur, because they were never a part of that business. And I'm betting the people who know the Romani slur is a slur probably don't know a single slur in Kenya.
From what I've heard, Romani living in the British Isles are called Travellers, accompanied with which part of the country they live in.
From what I'm seeing here, I'm sure the creators had no idea just how visible the problem would become over the next 20 years, but I think they tried their best even if it doesn't full-on tackle the issue im the end.
What I'd like to have seen is her and her grandpa having THAT excuse. You know the one, the "of his time" excuse. And he has to eventually acknowledge that it was wrong then and it's wrong now. He could admit that he knows it's wrong and tell her he doesn't really know her friends, but he loves her and wants to be better for her sake. Then she can take that forward to her friend's relationship: that she doesn't really know him yet, but she loves her and wants to do right by her. It could let the friend feel safe enough to let her guard down and open up about the problem in her relationship.
There is alot of that episodes in Braceface
13 minutes in
Wait, I had no idea Braceface’s father was a… *rock drummer!* 😱
WHY ARE THEY ALL LIKE THAT
and a *jew*, no less!
@@livingcancer5772bruh
Damn, it reminds me of Static Shock about racism even discussing about people’s sexuality, personality, the way they act even their preference. Boy, many kids shows got away with darker moments.
And now when they try you get Ben Shapiro and Fox screaming about "indoctrination"
I've never been a preeteen girl myself, but Pepper Ann is my spirit animal.
ToonrificTariq tacked the whole Braceface series in a video and yeah. Sharon was way too dismissive about her old grandpa. Not even just racist, it's rude in general.
lol I've expected a different Episode.
🙃 At first I thought the Grandpa is just joking and then he goes into full Racist Mode
Very sloppy execution. It had a lack of focus and tried to juggle multiple scenarios that honestly should have had their own separate episode dedicated to it. The one with Maria and the guy should have been its own episode. As for the Grandpa, from a narrative perspective he needed to be held accountable at some capacity. Not villainized but held accountable for his inappropriate attitudes towards people of color. An intervention. SOMETHING! Don’t just dismiss it as generational difference. Overall a well meaning but confusing mess of an episode.
Exactly
The fact that he doesn't overcome his racism is somewhat refreshing. All too often they have the bigot overcome their bigotry very quickly.
1:39 WHAT!???? 😂 😂 😂
I cringed so hard
Who says Harem in a cartoon!? It clearly should be said in an anime setting
@@TheMiraculousVillainPlease tell me you're joking. Anime didn't invent the concept of multiple partners.
Im not so sure actually 😂
the down side to these shows is when they PSA suddenly charters who never acted that way before do the PSA then never act that way again.
the best thing to do is have each charter be hat way in every episode and work the issue out over time while never really getting over it.
I only ever saw clips of this show. I did not know what *that* episode meant. Based on this channel, I assumed it'd be some weird fetish thing where you ask "... did they creator know?"
I was not ready for casual racism. That's an entirely different shield that I did not have up at the time.
I literally finished rewatching Braceface a couple days ago lol, still an amazing show.
In Europe we have the same problem of racism you have with black people but with the Roma people (different history, but it lead to a similar situation), then there are the thousands of national minorities which are each a world.
So after the og BraceFace video you did (about Busted), me and the fiancee decided to actually sit and watch BraceFace.
Honestly? I think everyone should give it a chance. Once you see what they show is actually about, all the weird shit falls into place - it’s a show made to discuss topics you don’t want to bring up to your parents. There are episodes that are lowkey step-by-step instructions for Middle Schoolers in tough spots, such as their friend being inappropriately talked to by a teacher, handling a friend’s breakup, finding a way to keep step with your bullies, how to navigate tricky arguments/disagreements, and - yes - how to handle puberty and the insecurities it comes with.
It’s genuinely a good show, and I mean that. Go try it!
I agree that the show itself isn’t bad, I just think even fans of it would say episodes like this and Busted were kinda questionable at the very least.
I thought you were going to watch the episode where she gets the inflatable bra!
He did a video on that episode a while back, actually!
I thought it would be the one where she drinks alcohol
samee
@@secretmagicalgirl I remember that one!
Oh goddddd I cant finish this one Saber. I bet its a good video but im cringing myself into a pretzel
This is when I first heard about Funimation. I used to have a Braceface DVD more than a decade ago.
Braceface had some interesting episode themes that I haven't seen that many shows tackle, i.e. the period episode (Sharon gets her first period while out on her first date with the boy she likes). There was an episode where Sharon gave in to peer pressure and drank alcohol, another where she starved herself after the show's mean girl called her fat and so on and so forth.
I need to watch this series more, I mostly remember bits and pieces. And you did a riff on the breast implant episode, but there's an episode in this same season with presumptions about a guy's sexual orientation and I think it's the guy she's talking to after Maria calls out her privilege.
But I'm not sure they ever use the word gay, which is reflected here too, he says, he's adorable when you'd know if you'd seen the other episode that he's apparently not into girls. Which isn't the one I thought it was, it's a later season, seemingly the one that wasn't broadcast on Disney because of the Busted episode
I've been binge watching these for recent streams (sadly work means I can never join one live) and am so glad you brought back the furry avatar.
I can't believe halfway through the episode her magic braces made her black.
One thing I respect is that the grandfather DOESN'T Just stop being a bigot because he gets a nice talking to. Racism is one of those things that takes a lot of time and effort to overcome, and it requires a lot of self reflection, even from people with mild views. To many Very special episodes took the path of "oh the guy just stops being racist because he's told about it" which is both unrealistic AND gives the impression racism isn't that big a deal, which is dishonest.
The hot dog thing I interpreted as he's at least willing to try to be more open minded, which is a good compromise
"Oh Graammppyy" and the delivery is SENDING ME
For a Canadian kids show, maybe it tackled it in a good enough way but the fact that sexism in the same episode which also may have had the grandpa double down on his beliefs about Muslims or those from the middle east was probably not great to put in the same episode. South Park did do way better on this though to the point that their black viewers loved how it was done
I feel like Maria is valid in her feelings towards Sharron’s grandpa, but the end kills it what could have been a good message. If it was shown that Sharron had a conversation with him and he tried to make an effort to change, it would have been better. That’s not to say that it’s as simple as a one time conversation irl. It’s not and some people don’t care to grow. Ultimately they chose to stay horrible people. You can’t change the minds of people who are too afraid to leave their bubble and grow a world view. I understand generational language differences but you can tell when someone is using language with the intent to be offensive. There is a difference between ignorance and racism.
Edit because I thought of something else. Even if they had shown Sharron confronting her grandfather, even if he rejected her criticism, if the focus was on Sharron doing the right thing, and standing up for her friend and others, and acknowledging that her grandfather is wrong and that she was wrong for being dismissive, even that would have been better than how it ended.
7:36 That in€£st stare moment
I DIDNT KNOW YOU KNEW ABOUT THIS SHOW-
A joke that flew over my head was the joke in the Dreamworks movie, ANTZ, where the wasps spoke with a 'sophisticated' accent and a snobbish demeanor. They were totally WASPS not just wasps.
What?
@@ClownHoundII Im serious. Search it up.
Is anyone going to mention that the plane that hit "Braceface" was piloted by an east asian
those eyes in the dog walking scene was so bad, uhg
People are asking why the Arab boy didn't react. Keep in mind this cartoon was from the early 2000s. I guarantee he's heard worse.
LMAO, what did you think the Family Guy joke about the family of wasps/WASPs was about? One of their few good jokes.
I never actually saw Braceface but dayum!
1:40 WHAT THE F... Harem in 2001?!
Fun fact! If you Google "that episode," it shows results for the CSI episode "fur and loathing."
But you already knew that, didn't you Saber?
Wait it just sorta ended.
You should watch THAT episode of the show Horseland 😬
It needs a part where they have a serious conversation
Aaah Braceface, love it as a kid and still loving it now. It's still holds today. Like a fine whine.
6:36 there are my favorite characters
How about that episode of monster high about the seamonster getting her period.
Is it weird I thought for a second that the racist grandpa and the girl we’re gonna kiss? I know that sounds messed up but watch plane hitting her in the face scene again and tell me that’s not what they’re building up to!!!😅😅😅
Would've been more interesting if the grandpa was the one to notice the sexism because of his racism and have it turned back on him like "Why can you be aware of what other people are doing wrong but not what you yourself are doing wrong" would've been a good way to get the character introspecting and actually give him an arc instead of whatever this was.
The episode could've tackled the subject better. At the very least, they should've said to him that he was being rude
6:14 Wait Sharon's ancestors came from England!?
Yes thats why she need braces.
Jesus, I'm a minute and 50 seconds in and I already cant believe this shit 😥
If I had watched this live, I'd be freaking out :/
white anglo saxon protestant
Idk i feel like the message was that you cant control how people are and some parts of them are hard to deal with but you cant let the bad parts block all the good. Also if you talk about it and try to understand each other, you can both change or adjust your perspective.
I thought it was going to be the exploding boob episode 😂
Never in my life til today have I EVER seen a cartoon or kids show talkimf abkut racism and all that such but at least static shock taught us an important lesson about unlike braceface that one guy stood up for his friend and got angry at his own dad for being a racist piece of crap while the main character from braceface thought it was funny that her grandpa being racist was being funny which is not so yeah.
Braceface went deep there, this episode is so needed now today. But sadly if we reshow this it will be called woke.
Ohhhh grampyyyyy
Is this a banned episode?
I really like braceface but god this episode and the boob one are such massive blunders ugh
So much "Color Blind" Canada.
Wow that is blunt!
Oh, so "the comments" said it was a slur? Must be legit then...
I mean it is. And you wouldn't know to even look into it unless someone told you.
When you said 'that' episode, I thought you meant the boob one.
This episode goes hard, wow!
That episode was BULLSHIT!
Think about it Saber, what kind of people tend to be bougie, tennis players?
Old money.
"Gypsy" is not a slur, it's just that some people _think_ it's a slur.
Finally! Someone gets it.
No it is a slur because it was literally classed as such by Romani groups since like the 1980s.
It's a term thats been used in the racism/prejudice against them, has been used to generalize their culture and was a mislabel in the first place (Being that they were thought to be Egyptian).
Kind of like how "Indians" was a mislabel for Native Americans. Of course the way these given names are treated isn't exact.
@@josjos-x5s It's been used for decades since then, and yet few if any people have complained.
@@otaking3582 I have the strangest feeling you dont actually listen or even see those to listen to.
@@josjos-x5s First of all, if "gypsy" were a slur, then how come RUclips isn't censoring my comment despite them also censoring such words as "aut1$m" and "b1g0t"?
Secondly, I somehow doubt that you yourself are Romanian, so you probably shouldn't be saying what is or isn't offensive to them.
One problem is that only 'european and english' people can be racist, they never like showing the reverse. Hence why people who come over say only 'certain people can be' while everyone else isn't. The result is in the present.
"I didn't know it was a slur"
Proceeds to say it multiple times.
He's not using it in a hurtful context, he's explaining how he learned it. Calm it
So the bra episode?
Oh first time being the first at no views
Saber is white!?!?
Yes
79th veiwer!
First commentttt
Well not first but second
@@arbotplayzroblox8248 yeah I started refreshing it cuz it wasn't loading from my end but now I see it
i don't mind people telling asian jokes too me. like i won't be offended by it and im asian.
I never would liked this cartoon. I don’t like how they have four fingers.
The four fingers are a remnant of the first animations, so that's an interesting fact
Slice of life anime is great, but I honestly didn't care much for American slice of life. Too many cringe moments
Good news, this is actually Canadian.
Well life is gonna have it’s cringy moments weather it’s anime or a western cartoon
Just cause you have different skin, nationality or even views doesnt make you a bad person. If the grampa showed hostility then he'd clearly be the badguy but he was pulling humor and the arab was going along with the jokes. If the arab pulled a joke about grey foxes then i believe the gramps would've taken the humor just as well.
But then again i wouldnt know how this episode went. This video is my intro to it but i find that the way a person acts says more than what they say.
A lot of times people who experience racism laugh and crack jokes to cope with a common and awkward situation in part because if you call people out on their racism or ignorance, they get defensive and say “it’s just a joke” “you’re too sensitive” “lighten up” etc. it’s easier to dismiss and deflect by playing a long, not being we think it’s funny or ok but because we’ll be dismissed or raged against for calling it out.
It's not always about the intention, it's the words said.
her eyes are so wild and buglike wtf