My thoughts with the Fairgrounds situation currently are that this track could have the same sad fate that Myrtle Beach Speedway did. If you hate racing and noise, why move/live next to a race track?
Ya back in the 80s at are local track in Langley BC Canada we raced on Saturday. Nights and one of the stupid complaints was it made some one sheep nervous and another one was there cows couldn't milk
I remember Slap said if Americans moved to Paris they'd within a few years be screeching like idiots to tear down the Eiffel Tower and build an apartment complex!
The worst part is that he did that in the middle of a "fact checking" bit.... Literally paused to "find it" and still made up an impossible number. Really makes me not trust Iceberg's objectivity here
@@ZwilfertThat was Jason Burguron (I think that’s how is surname is spelled) who made that claim without doing any fact checking. He’s a monumental bellend and should never be taken seriously. Other than him basically being a corporate shill, I don’t see why anyone would.
As a lifelong Nashville resident who lives by the fairgrounds, the only people against it moved here recently and it shows. I'll make sure my votes go to anyone supporting the racetrack.
I honestly don’t want to see another iconic piece of American racing history disappear. Nashville Fairgrounds is a great staple of racing, and a great investment for the city of Nashville itself. With so many people wanting to return to racing there, it will be a big boost in revenue and tourism to the Nashville area, and a boost for our sport in general as well. I’d like to see it return to the Cup schedule someday on a two-race schedule for the Nashville area in tandem with the Nashville Superspeedway (maybe replace Dirt Bristol with Fairgrounds), but I’d rather it not be so controversial.
It ain’t going nowhere. SMI and the city has already put a lot of effort into trying to bring back the track. They’re not going to pull the plug just because of some shitty oppression.
@@ZPaul_ if SMI is on the case, they they’re going to win. If they can bring back Wilkesboro for the All-Star Race, they can bring back the Fairgrounds.
How about putting the Nashville Superspeedway race in the spring and the Nashville Fairgrounds race in the summer? Residents with children who are out of school for the season can just go on vacation during that time and not have to complain so much.
I still don’t get it. This will bring eyes to your city, bring more money to your city, allow your city to reinvest and all they care about is themselves. Absolutely moronic.
@@NASCARHistoryCat9909 Yup. And concerts will be held there too. And racing already takes place there. This will add one race date a year and make ALOT more money
Not to mention literally every single complaint they have applies to all the new stadiums right next door. And not only applies but applies to the other stuff twice as much.
@@JordanRunge14oh no a little loud noise for once in these people lame pathetic life's how will they ever survive you know what I say deal with it plus it's only gonna be a one weekend thing anyways
Funny how the people near the Fairgrounds keep complaining about noise when Nascar LITERALLY just had a street course race and there were NO noise complaints despite ALSO, at one point, being worried about noise.
IndyCar has a street race in Nashville this Sunday. I know that's further away from residential areas than the Fairgrounds, but I'm unaware of many, if any, noise complaints from the last two years of IndyCar races.
I don't live in Nashville but its so frustrating when you see so many people not want to vote to save an iconic track. These people complain about noise, and then you next to it is a Soccer stadium, and yes there's noise there. I don't understand, why people don't want to save a track, at a city that's been in on fire when it comes to racing in that market. AND SOME OF THOSE WANT TO ACT LIKE KARENS, YEAH I said it, and complain, complain, complain, complain, and now things like this don't help at all.
they complain about the noise as if it’s like gonna be a constant thing. I can’t imagine it’ll be that many weekend and plus weekly racing cars aren’t even that loud
The problem with those who chose to move by the track, people don't want to take responsibility anymore but instead blame everyone else because it's easier for them to do so.
I mean I don’t think he should worry because most games are Saturday bc of Apple TV and has been very good team thus far. As both a nascar fan and soccer fan (my goddamn shitty Red Bull team). As long the racing and nascar cup weekend does not clash with their home game it should fine. I mean cup weekend send Nashville Sc away simple. I would love to go Nashville for all the sports honestly.
They don't realise soccer fans and NASCAR fans are not always the same people and likely are not. And even if they were, it is possible they would go to both . The soccer team operators if they are behind this are idiots
@@Fordguy02This nails it. Instead of working together, Ingram & co. see SMI as a competitor to be eradicated. He so much as said the neighborhood can't handle two 30K seat venues. A Bristol rep accused him of wanting the Speedway snuffed out, and the way this is going, I believe it. Always gotta follow the money.
I think a major part of it is the Fairgrounds opposition to Nashville SC's stadium. They fought against it every step of the way and are still suing even though it's already been built. Makes it pretty obvious why Ingram opposes the track expansion
The Fairgrounds needs to come back into the NASCAR fold. This sport has a greater history and legacy than almost any other in the nation. And it really needs to replace the Superspeedway.
There’s an active train track crossroads right next to the race track. Every 3-4 hours a train runs through blasting it’s horn. There’s locals with sports cars, sports bikes, muscle cars that like ripping it up on the road throughout the day. The soccer fans have a parade and march to the soccer stadium playing drums, chanting, shooting off fireworks. The soccer games are mostly on Wednesday’s and Thursday’s. There’s also concerts that go on at the soccer stadium as well. So this “noise” complaint is dumb.
As someone who is nascar fan and soccer fan (a pain ful Red Bull fan in NJ). 25k or so in Nashville is loud and that team is on an upward success (Nashville SC). I think it’s possible to support both track and stadium while trying to mitigate traffic, quality of life and other issues that residents have a stake as well. I’m not sure when they will vote on the track but given the metro board has been supportive it might be slam dunk. However just because the opposition might not have good points or loudest does not mean they win (see Arizona coyotes arena situation although that’s on crappy owners). I think if nascar cup weekend comes then send Nashville SC on away game without scheduling it at the same to avoid stretching the resources. I would go to Nashville for this race if it happens
What more funny we just had street race in Chicago with mufflers and we where in a city racing and they worried about nose at short track with sound barriers
My argument to anyone that wants to tear down a race track is, you bought your house after the track was built you knew it was there when you bought your house you probably saved money by buying a house near a track as well you can move the track can’t.
If they're really complaining about that one Racetrack that's been there way longer than them, then they haven't checked out the other "5 F1 and NASCAR Tracks" in NASCAR (See what I did there) All I hear is "UGH, We'll be Responsible for Taxes" or "Too Noisy for my kids, der der der der" Like if you really complained about Taxes and Noise, (In the words of NasHawk) Then maybe you should move out Edit: 6:48 What is this Dude on????
I hope the Fairgrounds comes back to NASCAR, went to a Busch series race there back in 2008 or 9 if I recall correctly. Had such a blast with my dad and brother.
My favorite part of public hearings is what i call the "Karen nod". When someone agrees with whats being said so much they turn into a bobble head from how hard they are nodding. When the guy from the opposotion is talking you can see some CLASSIC grade A Karen nodding behind him.
I get the concers about the noise the parking and all but it's not like NASCAR is going to be there 24/7 yet why didn't they complain about the soccer stadium as well? You can't have it both ways. Either have both or get rid of both. Besides the track was there long before the neighborhood was there. Did they honestly thought the track was going to closed and be torn down before they moved in? Besides if they're crying fowl on raising taxes then explain the other sports related projects that required raising taxes as well. Again you can't have it both ways on that as well.
I do think nascar should expand the cup series toward more legendary tracks like they did with north wilkesboro while at the same time removing some dates or tracks all together to make room for more exciting things. Not to mention younger fans will get exposed to more short track racing and legendary tracks as well as long time fans seeing their once favorite tracks return. Obviously with the issue of lousy noise complaints from people who decided to move right next to a race track these tracks are starting to disappear at an alarming rate and as a result is just lost money for nascar and nashville or who ever else had this problem
Of tracks on the current F1 calendar, Austin and Miami are practically equidistant from Nashville, with Austin being 873 miles and Miami being 896. The closest FIA Grade 1 track (which is what is required to host an F1 race) is the Indy Road Course at 294 miles away.
I love the idea of having two race dates in the same city but at two different tracks. Not many places have that as an option. Closet I can think of is different track configurations, Daytona, Charlotte and Indy. Maybe Chicago Street then do Chicagoland. These people are always angry with nothing better to do. Ignore them, they don’t bring value to the world or anyone else.
SMI/Supports I think need to bring some younger/quicker speaking people for the next meeting. A lot of the people speaking against, while most of their points were incorrect, but their speaking abilities were a lot better, Clay Greenfield did a good job on Support, but from what I saw a lot of the speakers in support were older people who discussed the history of the track and covered that part very well, but few that really coherently broke down why the people speaking in opposition's points were incorrect.
There are a number of sponsors that utilize GEODIS for their 3PL services. Perhaps those companies should encourage GEODIS and their talking head employee to support the track or move their business.
It will be saved. The Nashville has already shown willingness for Motorsports with allowing Indycar to race through their streets. I’m pretty sure they’ll allow NASCAR to come too.
I'm not a local, but I would definitely fly in to see a cup race at such a unique track. And it would be incredible if this city could manage decent public transit between the speedway and downtown
We did a drift event here in Lexington, on a Sunday, from like 8am to 5pm. They city got noise complaints so they said no more. However, the fireworks they shoot off at the local baseball games, sometimes at 11pm or later, are ok.
nashville fairgrounds raceway has been there and operational since the 1950s. if your not a race fan , it would be stupid to move next door to a track. its also a historical landmark in nashville. so its protected from being torn down.
There are many steps to getting the track renovated. 1)The Mayor is for it✔️ 2)The Nashville Fairgrounds Board passed it (after getting Jason Bergeron off the board)✔️ 3)now it needs 3 Nashville council meetings after this July 25 public meeting…
I went to both SRX races there and it's amazing. I think they should bring it to Nascar. It had fun racing but like you said parking and getting in and out was a nightmare.
Dude, you’re not going to get the opposition to lay down and say their bad. This would only antagonize them likely. May want to consider a different strategy. ✌🏼
Hahahahaha. I mean I’m at point I don’t care. Might as well use IndyCar Street Course at this point. The kid in suit looks and sounds like he went to my Alma Mater. You can probably hear IndyCars from Downtown there at Fairgrounds. They keep doubling down over nothing. That sounds familiar. Something I just realized frontstretch lighting looks like lighting in Vanderbilt’s Memorial Gym. How it’s shaped. Yeah off topic I know.
Race tracks on publicly owned properties, fairgrounds, have been disappearing over the years. Exs: Indianapolis Fairgrounds closed their track 2 years ago. Syracuse closed theirs in 2017, Sacramento, Minnesota and other have been gone for years. Of the few that are left are left, many aren't well maintained and need a lot of money to bring them up to current NASCAR standards. Some of those that were renovated never brought in the money they were predicted to bring in. I think SMI (owns Kentucky Speedway) and ISC (owns Chicagoland Speedway) would be better received bringing those tracks back rather than trying to resurrect a track with so much opposition to it. I don't like to see tracks close and get razed, but the sport in general is in a financial crisis. I think that the scarce money they have would be better spent on tracks in areas where people want them rather on court fights in areas that don't want them.
I have been to the soccer stadium in person and i will say you can hear the fans loud and clear from the neighborhoods and plus the people that live there use their lawns as parking for the stadium they get a whole months rent in a night
I mean, they could just move to another close by track. Let that town reap all the taxes benefits. Let Fairgrounds sit unused, refuse to sell the land and watch as property values drop. Maybe put up a giant billboard for advertising.
This really shows the issues with tracks nowadays and why proper planning has to be done. It’s sorta like a channel on RUclips I’ve watched where the guy is a city planner. He mentions how when they’re planning projects like new streets and neighborhoods you gotta think about how things will be 20 to 30 years down the road. What are the needs of the area going to be? When a lot of these smaller tracks around the country were built - like the Nashville Fairgrounds - they had no idea that neighborhoods would pop up so close to the track. But if you’re going to build a track today you have to take that into consideration. What they’ve done with Kansas Speedway, for example, is a great way to do it. They built the track and the area around it was always planned for retail. There’s lot of businesses surrounding it to where there’s no room to build a subdivision. You also gotta look at what does the track bring to the city. Again, looking at Kansas, there’s all the retail that popped up nearby. There’s the casino next door. It took a largely undeveloped area and turned it into a huge money maker with taxes. Another thing to consider is the political landscape. There’s a reason these housing developments are getting built next to tracks. It’s the government setting up the zoning laws. So you wanna build in an area where you don’t necessarily have to deal with zoning laws (so outside the city) or that they’ll zone for commercial (like at Kansas). In some cases though, the track holds the power. Look at SMI when they were building ZMax Dragway in Charlotte. Briton threatened to move CMS and the city had to compromise. He had the power to do that though as his track has been there hosting NASCAR for decades. The loss of the money the track helps bring in to the area would’ve hurt. Now apply these things to Nashville. There’s a lot of complications to this. The housing being so close. The building the soccer stadium next door. There’s no room to bring in other businesses. And there might be a mayor now willing to work with them but what about in the future? And of course the power, they haven’t hosted a Cup race since 1984 so the city knows they can do without it. They’ve got some big obstacles to overcome. Even if they do, what ones are likely to come up in the future? I wish the best of luck to them but it’s hard for me to see it as a long term thing if they do it. I’d love to be proven wrong though.
As much as I want this track back on the cup schedule WHY THE FUCK ARE TAXPAYERS DOLLARS GOING TOWARDS AN ENTERTAINMENT VENUE INSTEAD OF FIXING OUR CRUMBLING INFRASTRUCTURE! This goes to the Titans stadium as well as no stadium for football or racing should be coming out of the taxpayers dollars when there is much more important stuff that it should go to, especially if it's for a multi-million dollar NFL team.
Well I'd rather spend it on a race track than spend it halfway around the world on a country that hates us. You're not wrong though. Infrastructure is far more important, but no one gives a shit about it. Texas' energy grid sound familiar?
He reeked of corporate as soon as he started talking, let alone the "points" he made. It's absurd. Also, tweets in 2001? He's so upset, he doesn't even know how to use timelines and buzzwords correctly. Get him a crying towel! I stand with the fairgrounds, and would love to see it make a return. It'd be a huge boost economically for the area, enriches the sport, and is overall a net positive. The opposition is so out of line, they're not in the same zipcode. It'd be comical, if it weren't so sad.
I find it funny that these people are complaining about potentially one to two weekends a year that may be louder than usual. People really have nothing else better or constructive to complain about and it shows.
On one hand, i really feel like this is becoming too much of a circus to bother continuing with, and that Nashville Speedway has had good enough racing in the past few years to justify keeping it around instead. On the other hand, I really wanna get the chance to enjoy these people's displeasure from the Fairgrounds getting re-opened, if for nothing more than me being petty. I hate the stigma certain people will give racing these days, and I wanna see local racing venues continue to grow and prosper more often, and it feels like there's always some lunatics that decide to cry foul at the idea because "muh peace and quiet". Let people have fun, dammit. Life's too short as it is.
Breaks my heart to see this happening in my state's capitol. I could never see this happening in Bristol, we love the track and wish nothing but the best for Nashville. Also thought I'd add, Jason slamming everyone from Bristol is unfounded, but not unexpected. What do we know anyway, they're smart Nashville residents and we're dumb hicks in the mountains.
If you move next to an active racetrack, don't be surprised that there's loud cars there, and that goes for anything that could potentially affect your quality of life or annoy you- don't move next to a railroad if you don't like hearing trains, don't move next to an airport if you don't like hearing airplanes, don't move next to a highway if you don't want to deal with traffic and noise, and don't move next to a farm if you don't want to deal with manure and dust, and as long as those businesses and responsible parties make reasonable efforts to reduce their impact on the communities they're in, the rest is on you. The racetrack also is not operating 24/7/365 it only operates a couple of weekends out of the entire year, so if you can't deal with a couple weekends of racing out of the entire year, that's on you. And for city planners and politicians, don't reward people who failed to do their homework and lack any kind of common sense on where they were moving to by caving in to their demands.
I live down the street from Geodis Stadium and the stadium is far louder than the speedway. Concerts and soccer games have fireworks the whole time which bounces off of that metal stadium and sounds like a bomb going off. We wont even get into the traffic or the security that yells at you because you are trying to get home on their streets. You literally cannot go anywhere two nights a week anymore unless you want to wait until midnight when the concerts or soccer games are over to get home. 34,000 people stadium with 4000 parking places, and barely any sidewalks. It's a nightmare and I was here way before the stadium. Now I hear the stadium is not making enough money so will continue to increase events during the week.🤔
Its a very unique track with the location and all. But hoe stupid could you be to build a city around a race track then have the nerve to complain about noise? I swear people have no sense and are the resson many tracks that have been around since before the cities built around them are now gonnanbe disappearing. I dont know what could be done to stop this but its safe to say if racing was as respected here as it is in Europe this wouldnt be a problem
Being a Nashville native, and having a personal connection to the track itself, allow me to be the small thorn in the bed of roses that is this comment section. I can definitely see both sides of this issue, as I try to do with many things, and this is no different. First off, as you mention a bias with those opposed to the expansion of the track, the same bias is clear in this video, but then each side has an audience they are trying to appeal to, so I get that. Jason Bergeron, for whom I don't know, and didn't know of before this video, resigned from the Fair Board before the naming rights agreement was ever signed, in order to avoid the very thing you accuse him of in the video. As far as Geodis Park being a source for noise, I have friends who live no more than a half mile from the stadium, and were opposed to the stadium, and still are in many ways, and even they say the noise is negligible, even when the stadium is filled to capacity, and much of that is thanks to the roof that covers the majority of the stadium. Traffic on the other hand, that's a whole other thing. To another point you brought up, public financing, I for one, am opposed to publicly financing any stadium that the city won't outright own, and there's a growing sentiment to that effect in Nashville after the Titans stadium deal, which is a bad deal all around, and has become an issue in the upcoming mayoral election. I didn't support the Titans getting city money, nor do I support city money going to this either, it's all equal, and it's all bad. I do want to make the point that I do understand the history of the track, as I said in my opening, I have a personal connection to the construction of the track, as my grandfather operated a crane that pulled a paving machine up the banking of the track when it was paved in the early 50s. I also understand the appeal and sentiment of the drivers, as the track is a throwback to a bygone era of short tracks that NASCAR used to race on all the time, rather than just a few times a year. I get it, I get both sides, and I wouldn't have an issue with the expansion plans if 1. There was a plan aside from the features, and one that dealt more with the infrastructure issues that exist (and there may be, and I just haven't heard or read them) and 2. That SMI foot the bill for the project, because I, like a lot of Nashvillians, are getting tired of paying for other peoples' playgrounds. I'm sure I'll get blasted in the replies, but that's my thoughts.
@@johnhaas2523 "He hasn't done anything to get talked about and he's nothing but a (expletive) driver." Um, Matt DiBenedetto is 8th in the Truck Series standings, has nine Top 10s so far this year, including six Top 10s in a row as of now, and appears to be a lock in for the playoffs. So I don't know what you're talking about him being a bad driver this year. Automatic first round elimination, maybe, but DiBenedetto is doing well for what his team is given. So, if anything, he should be admired right now for what he's giving that team.
The Fairgrounds fought tooth and nail against the soccer stadium getting built there even though it could've been mutually beneficial. Part of what got the deal through is Nashville SC paying 100% for the stadium and infrastructure improvements in the area. The fairgrounds are actually still suing against the stadium even though it's already built. I wish there could've been a positive relationship there but the Fairgrounds chose not to
I am 100% in favor of the renovation and NASCAR returning, as long as it doesn't effect local short track racing at the track. As a long time former Nashville resident and a former competitor at the track in the 80's and 90's, I would rather see the Nashville Superspeedway, which isn't in Nashville by the way, loose it's NASCAR date and that date go to the Fairgrounds Speedway or at a minimum split the date every other year. When I was going to the races at the Fairgrounds as a fan, there was plenty of parking, even for the All American 400. What happened? Did Metro government build a bunch of stuff in the parking lots? If Metro Nashville government still works the way it used to, it's a done deal. The renovations will go through after they go through the motions.
I wish that they could renovate it. Bring back the history, double down on motorsports heritage. Wish that the talk would end and the results begin. Also I think it would be cool to have a Nashville Superspeedway Nashville Fairgrounds double-header weekend. Could go leaps and bounds to improve NASCAR Schedule
I also find it funny on the public funding side that the opposition is complaining about the 20-50 mil needed for it when, as iceberg said, Nissan stadium rebuild will take 1billion in public funding. Also using the we'll get the superbowl for doing it argument is stupid because you will only be guaranteed one superbowl from said rebuild then the NFL will ignore them after that again and go back to their normal superbowl locations (in Florida, California, Texas, Arizona, Atlanta and New Orleans)
No point in speculating about the NASCAR schedule anymore. According to the opposition, NASCAR will be racing at Nashville Fairgrounds every week next year.
Just would like to point out almost 30,000 “Nashvillians” in Lebanon Tennessee and the surrounding area are ready for the fairgrounds 🤟 Politicians are the worst kind if people.
I'm bad at geography but the Nashville super speedway has sold out. The Indycar race has become a staple. And I know Supercross ran a couple of events at the football stadium. Why wouldn't you want more people putting money into the local economy?
The speedway and fairgrounds were built long before the houses if people have problems with noise why buy property next to a racetrack to build a house. It seems like a better logical choice to build in the middle of the woods or the plains with no roads if you want peace and quiet.
The hell with it at this point. Focus the energy where Motorsport is wanted and celebrated and where the community rally’s for it. And give NASHVILLE the ✌️ and let them not take the commerce. Have a nice day.
Was twitter around in 01? In my opinion if you want to to be fair have people who have actually lived in Nashville more than years vote on it. Lived in Tn all my life been going to the fairgrounds since I was a child. Got to see the final truck race. The problem with all of Tn is all the people moving here and not doing anything for the roads. Hahaha Super Bowl in Nashville will be such a cluster fuck. The town I live in put a amphitheater next to me on a dead end road with one way in and one way out. I hope they renovate it and bring it back.
I thinks it’s like anything these days- anything that is good is now considered bad. What is bad is now good. People’s arguments are so out there and stupid and they believe in it like a religion.
This is a fight with the city coffers and the people that moved into the air path of an airport. The track was there before these people moved there. It’s tons of money to the city & businesses. I sure hope the city/county tells the whiners to FO.
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Do you want the Nashville Fairgrounds to return to NASCAR?
Eh idc really
There’s already 3 races at Tennessee per year
My thoughts with the Fairgrounds situation currently are that this track could have the same sad fate that Myrtle Beach Speedway did. If you hate racing and noise, why move/live next to a race track?
its historic and should be added along with memphis and Nashville has that road course
No we don’t need that track
But I do wana see home owners mad let’s get a truck race there
I find it hilarious how they complain about noise with the Fairgrounds when they've had an IndyCar street race there for 3 years now.
Well, won't this year be the third??
And SRX at nashville fairgrounds recently too
Because the V6s aren't as noisy
@@blaisemichael7872 or local/reg grassroots events too. But to me it was more about the engine noise
Ya back in the 80s at are local track in Langley BC Canada we raced on Saturday. Nights and one of the stupid complaints was it made some one sheep nervous and another one was there cows couldn't milk
I remember Slap said if Americans moved to Paris they'd within a few years be screeching like idiots to tear down the Eiffel Tower and build an apartment complex!
I love how he said "In 2001 he tweeted". Sounds like the timeline might be off.
I was like "What??? Twitter didn't exist in 2001"
@@cito1101lol MySpace didnt even exist until 2003.
The worst part is that he did that in the middle of a "fact checking" bit.... Literally paused to "find it" and still made up an impossible number. Really makes me not trust Iceberg's objectivity here
@@ZwilfertThat was Jason Burguron (I think that’s how is surname is spelled) who made that claim without doing any fact checking. He’s a monumental bellend and should never be taken seriously. Other than him basically being a corporate shill, I don’t see why anyone would.
As a Nashville resident, I will NOT be voting for anyone who does not support the fairgrounds.
Glad to see someone with a brain.
Preach - Brains 🧠 what the rest of that area lacks
problem is the fairgrounds board is appointed, not elected.
it’s all the people that relocated to there from california calling the shots. they have an agenda and it’s intentional
Karens be like, MLS Stadium, I Sleep, Nashville Fairgrounds, REAL CRAP, new NFL Stadium, Also, I sleep
As a lifelong Nashville resident who lives by the fairgrounds, the only people against it moved here recently and it shows. I'll make sure my votes go to anyone supporting the racetrack.
it’s the people relocating there from california. they have an agenda and it’s intentional
I honestly don’t want to see another iconic piece of American racing history disappear. Nashville Fairgrounds is a great staple of racing, and a great investment for the city of Nashville itself. With so many people wanting to return to racing there, it will be a big boost in revenue and tourism to the Nashville area, and a boost for our sport in general as well. I’d like to see it return to the Cup schedule someday on a two-race schedule for the Nashville area in tandem with the Nashville Superspeedway (maybe replace Dirt Bristol with Fairgrounds), but I’d rather it not be so controversial.
It ain’t going nowhere. SMI and the city has already put a lot of effort into trying to bring back the track. They’re not going to pull the plug just because of some shitty oppression.
@@ZPaul_ if SMI is on the case, they they’re going to win. If they can bring back Wilkesboro for the All-Star Race, they can bring back the Fairgrounds.
How about putting the Nashville Superspeedway race in the spring and the Nashville Fairgrounds race in the summer? Residents with children who are out of school for the season can just go on vacation during that time and not have to complain so much.
I still don’t get it. This will bring eyes to your city, bring more money to your city, allow your city to reinvest and all they care about is themselves. Absolutely moronic.
Because noise! 🤦♂️
These people seem to forget that the MLS stadium is in action WAY MORE then the racetrack
@@NASCARHistoryCat9909 Yup. And concerts will be held there too. And racing already takes place there. This will add one race date a year and make ALOT more money
Not to mention literally every single complaint they have applies to all the new stadiums right next door. And not only applies but applies to the other stuff twice as much.
@@JordanRunge14oh no a little loud noise for once in these people lame pathetic life's how will they ever survive you know what I say deal with it plus it's only gonna be a one weekend thing anyways
How was the tweet from 2001 when Twitter didn't exist until 2006?
Funny how the people near the Fairgrounds keep complaining about noise when Nascar LITERALLY just had a street course race and there were NO noise complaints despite ALSO, at one point, being worried about noise.
IndyCar has a street race in Nashville this Sunday. I know that's further away from residential areas than the Fairgrounds, but I'm unaware of many, if any, noise complaints from the last two years of IndyCar races.
@@alecerdmann8505 And it's the THIRD TIME they've raceing on the streets, on top of that. No complaints there...
I don't live in Nashville but its so frustrating when you see so many people not want to vote to save an iconic track. These people complain about noise, and then you next to it is a Soccer stadium, and yes there's noise there. I don't understand, why people don't want to save a track, at a city that's been in on fire when it comes to racing in that market. AND SOME OF THOSE WANT TO ACT LIKE KARENS, YEAH I said it, and complain, complain, complain, complain, and now things like this don't help at all.
they complain about the noise as if it’s like gonna be a constant thing. I can’t imagine it’ll be that many weekend and plus weekly racing cars aren’t even that loud
The problem with those who chose to move by the track, people don't want to take responsibility anymore but instead blame everyone else because it's easier for them to do so.
why buy a house in this neighborhood if you don’t like it?
TLDW: The owner's of Nashville's soccer team is worried that the racetrack will take away fans and revenue by watching races instead of soccer.
I mean I don’t think he should worry because most games are Saturday bc of Apple TV and has been very good team thus far. As both a nascar fan and soccer fan (my goddamn shitty Red Bull team). As long the racing and nascar cup weekend does not clash with their home game it should fine. I mean cup weekend send Nashville Sc away simple. I would love to go Nashville for all the sports honestly.
They don't realise soccer fans and NASCAR fans are not always the same people and likely are not. And even if they were, it is possible they would go to both .
The soccer team operators if they are behind this are idiots
I don’t think he’s worried about losing soccer fans, he’s worried about competing for things like concerts.
@@Fordguy02This nails it. Instead of working together, Ingram & co. see SMI as a competitor to be eradicated. He so much as said the neighborhood can't handle two 30K seat venues. A Bristol rep accused him of wanting the Speedway snuffed out, and the way this is going, I believe it. Always gotta follow the money.
I think a major part of it is the Fairgrounds opposition to Nashville SC's stadium. They fought against it every step of the way and are still suing even though it's already been built. Makes it pretty obvious why Ingram opposes the track expansion
It’s like the people who moved next to Oceana Air Force base , than complained about the jet noise.
The Fairgrounds needs to come back into the NASCAR fold. This sport has a greater history and legacy than almost any other in the nation. And it really needs to replace the Superspeedway.
There’s an active train track crossroads right next to the race track. Every 3-4 hours a train runs through blasting it’s horn. There’s locals with sports cars, sports bikes, muscle cars that like ripping it up on the road throughout the day. The soccer fans have a parade and march to the soccer stadium playing drums, chanting, shooting off fireworks. The soccer games are mostly on Wednesday’s and Thursday’s. There’s also concerts that go on at the soccer stadium as well. So this “noise” complaint is dumb.
As someone who is nascar fan and soccer fan (a pain ful Red Bull fan in NJ). 25k or so in Nashville is loud and that team is on an upward success (Nashville SC). I think it’s possible to support both track and stadium while trying to mitigate traffic, quality of life and other issues that residents have a stake as well. I’m not sure when they will vote on the track but given the metro board has been supportive it might be slam dunk. However just because the opposition might not have good points or loudest does not mean they win (see Arizona coyotes arena situation although that’s on crappy owners). I think if nascar cup weekend comes then send Nashville SC on away game without scheduling it at the same to avoid stretching the resources. I would go to Nashville for this race if it happens
Nashville SC can play at Nissan Stadium again if needed.
@@runrafarunthebestintheworld that’s not needed Geodis Stadium is there own home. Just let them play away for the weekend when cup races. Simple
What more funny we just had street race in Chicago with mufflers and we where in a city racing and they worried about nose at short track with sound barriers
The clowns still arguing about this track need to either move or shut up
Man I remember when twitter was around back in 2001
I hope that it’s not too good to be true to have Nashville Fairgrounds back in the cup series or something
The fist clips of the video brought back flashbacks of how cold it was that day 😂
Nashville Superspeedway puts on awesome racing
My argument to anyone that wants to tear down a race track is, you bought your house after the track was built you knew it was there when you bought your house you probably saved money by buying a house near a track as well you can move the track can’t.
How can u twit something in 2001 when twitter was created in 2006
If they're really complaining about that one Racetrack that's been there way longer than them, then they haven't checked out the other "5 F1 and NASCAR Tracks" in NASCAR (See what I did there)
All I hear is "UGH, We'll be Responsible for Taxes" or "Too Noisy for my kids, der der der der"
Like if you really complained about Taxes and Noise, (In the words of NasHawk) Then maybe you should move out
Edit: 6:48 What is this Dude on????
Also, if they are mad at a NASCAR track, why are they not mad at "5 F1 tracks"?!
I hope the Fairgrounds comes back to NASCAR, went to a Busch series race there back in 2008 or 9 if I recall correctly. Had such a blast with my dad and brother.
tweeting in 2001 haha
My favorite part of public hearings is what i call the "Karen nod". When someone agrees with whats being said so much they turn into a bobble head from how hard they are nodding. When the guy from the opposotion is talking you can see some CLASSIC grade A Karen nodding behind him.
100% politics. Zero Logic
I get the concers about the noise the parking and all but it's not like NASCAR is going to be there 24/7 yet why didn't they complain about the soccer stadium as well? You can't have it both ways. Either have both or get rid of both. Besides the track was there long before the neighborhood was there. Did they honestly thought the track was going to closed and be torn down before they moved in? Besides if they're crying fowl on raising taxes then explain the other sports related projects that required raising taxes as well. Again you can't have it both ways on that as well.
I do think nascar should expand the cup series toward more legendary tracks like they did with north wilkesboro while at the same time removing some dates or tracks all together to make room for more exciting things. Not to mention younger fans will get exposed to more short track racing and legendary tracks as well as long time fans seeing their once favorite tracks return. Obviously with the issue of lousy noise complaints from people who decided to move right next to a race track these tracks are starting to disappear at an alarming rate and as a result is just lost money for nascar and nashville or who ever else had this problem
Bring the fairgrounds back
"5 F1 tracks in the nashville area"
What? Im 95% sure the nearest F1 track, or track that is allowed to host F1, is Miami.
Of tracks on the current F1 calendar, Austin and Miami are practically equidistant from Nashville, with Austin being 873 miles and Miami being 896. The closest FIA Grade 1 track (which is what is required to host an F1 race) is the Indy Road Course at 294 miles away.
I love the idea of having two race dates in the same city but at two different tracks. Not many places have that as an option. Closet I can think of is different track configurations, Daytona, Charlotte and Indy. Maybe Chicago Street then do Chicagoland. These people are always angry with nothing better to do. Ignore them, they don’t bring value to the world or anyone else.
Same market
Of course there'd be Karens disrupting the deal, and hypocrites at that
SMI/Supports I think need to bring some younger/quicker speaking people for the next meeting. A lot of the people speaking against, while most of their points were incorrect, but their speaking abilities were a lot better, Clay Greenfield did a good job on Support, but from what I saw a lot of the speakers in support were older people who discussed the history of the track and covered that part very well, but few that really coherently broke down why the people speaking in opposition's points were incorrect.
Buy houses near pre existing race track which is notoriously loud. Complain about noise. 🤔
There are a number of sponsors that utilize GEODIS for their 3PL services. Perhaps those companies should encourage GEODIS and their talking head employee to support the track or move their business.
the soccer stadium wants to make the tracking the parking lot for the stadium. it was in the plans years ago that didn't get approved IIRC.
Sadly the future doesn't look bright for Nashville Fairgrounds. We have to hope the track is saved before any thought of bringing NASCAR back.
It will be saved. The Nashville has already shown willingness for Motorsports with allowing Indycar to race through their streets. I’m pretty sure they’ll allow NASCAR to come too.
You are not aware of the Culture in Nashville & TN & the South, and Race Cars. Many famous Race Car drivers live in TN, & Nashville.
The residents of Metro Nashville Davidson County voted for the Racetrack & Local News does not report the Vote!
I'm not a local, but I would definitely fly in to see a cup race at such a unique track. And it would be incredible if this city could manage decent public transit between the speedway and downtown
We did a drift event here in Lexington, on a Sunday, from like 8am to 5pm. They city got noise complaints so they said no more. However, the fireworks they shoot off at the local baseball games, sometimes at 11pm or later, are ok.
They're just throwing crap at the wall and seeing which sticks. Gotta love bombastic nonsense
nashville fairgrounds raceway has been there and operational since the 1950s. if your not a race fan , it would be stupid to move next door to a track. its also a historical landmark in nashville. so its protected from being torn down.
There are many steps to getting the track renovated.
1)The Mayor is for it✔️
2)The Nashville Fairgrounds Board passed it (after getting Jason Bergeron off the board)✔️
3)now it needs 3 Nashville council meetings after this July 25 public meeting…
I went to both SRX races there and it's amazing. I think they should bring it to Nascar. It had fun racing but like you said parking and getting in and out was a nightmare.
Dude, you’re not going to get the opposition to lay down and say their bad. This would only antagonize them likely. May want to consider a different strategy. ✌🏼
Hahahahaha.
I mean I’m at point I don’t care.
Might as well use IndyCar Street Course at this point.
The kid in suit looks and sounds like he went to my Alma Mater.
You can probably hear IndyCars from Downtown there at Fairgrounds.
They keep doubling down over nothing.
That sounds familiar.
Something I just realized frontstretch lighting looks like lighting in Vanderbilt’s Memorial Gym.
How it’s shaped.
Yeah off topic I know.
I noticed that similarity between NFS and Memorial Gym. Funny.
Race tracks on publicly owned properties, fairgrounds, have been disappearing over the years. Exs: Indianapolis Fairgrounds closed their track 2 years ago. Syracuse closed theirs in 2017, Sacramento, Minnesota and other have been gone for years. Of the few that are left are left, many aren't well maintained and need a lot of money to bring them up to current NASCAR standards. Some of those that were renovated never brought in the money they were predicted to bring in.
I think SMI (owns Kentucky Speedway) and ISC (owns Chicagoland Speedway) would be better received bringing those tracks back rather than trying to resurrect a track with so much opposition to it.
I don't like to see tracks close and get razed, but the sport in general is in a financial crisis. I think that the scarce money they have would be better spent on tracks in areas where people want them rather on court fights in areas that don't want them.
I have been to the soccer stadium in person and i will say you can hear the fans loud and clear from the neighborhoods and plus the people that live there use their lawns as parking for the stadium they get a whole months rent in a night
I HATE people who move in right next to a race track, and complain about the noise! We've had two drag strips in my area shut down because of this.
8:00 What a prick. And how dare he drag class warfare into this.
Ah yes, I remember when Marcus Smith'a buddy tweeted that in 2001. I was definitely an active twitter user in the year 2001
I mean, they could just move to another close by track. Let that town reap all the taxes benefits. Let Fairgrounds sit unused, refuse to sell the land and watch as property values drop. Maybe put up a giant billboard for advertising.
What other close by track?? It just doesn't exist
This really shows the issues with tracks nowadays and why proper planning has to be done.
It’s sorta like a channel on RUclips I’ve watched where the guy is a city planner. He mentions how when they’re planning projects like new streets and neighborhoods you gotta think about how things will be 20 to 30 years down the road. What are the needs of the area going to be?
When a lot of these smaller tracks around the country were built - like the Nashville Fairgrounds - they had no idea that neighborhoods would pop up so close to the track. But if you’re going to build a track today you have to take that into consideration. What they’ve done with Kansas Speedway, for example, is a great way to do it. They built the track and the area around it was always planned for retail. There’s lot of businesses surrounding it to where there’s no room to build a subdivision.
You also gotta look at what does the track bring to the city. Again, looking at Kansas, there’s all the retail that popped up nearby. There’s the casino next door. It took a largely undeveloped area and turned it into a huge money maker with taxes.
Another thing to consider is the political landscape. There’s a reason these housing developments are getting built next to tracks. It’s the government setting up the zoning laws. So you wanna build in an area where you don’t necessarily have to deal with zoning laws (so outside the city) or that they’ll zone for commercial (like at Kansas).
In some cases though, the track holds the power. Look at SMI when they were building ZMax Dragway in Charlotte. Briton threatened to move CMS and the city had to compromise. He had the power to do that though as his track has been there hosting NASCAR for decades. The loss of the money the track helps bring in to the area would’ve hurt.
Now apply these things to Nashville. There’s a lot of complications to this. The housing being so close. The building the soccer stadium next door. There’s no room to bring in other businesses. And there might be a mayor now willing to work with them but what about in the future? And of course the power, they haven’t hosted a Cup race since 1984 so the city knows they can do without it.
They’ve got some big obstacles to overcome. Even if they do, what ones are likely to come up in the future? I wish the best of luck to them but it’s hard for me to see it as a long term thing if they do it. I’d love to be proven wrong though.
Do a video on the downfall/history of the Rockford Speedway?
As much as I want this track back on the cup schedule WHY THE FUCK ARE TAXPAYERS DOLLARS GOING TOWARDS AN ENTERTAINMENT VENUE INSTEAD OF FIXING OUR CRUMBLING INFRASTRUCTURE! This goes to the Titans stadium as well as no stadium for football or racing should be coming out of the taxpayers dollars when there is much more important stuff that it should go to, especially if it's for a multi-million dollar NFL team.
Well I'd rather spend it on a race track than spend it halfway around the world on a country that hates us. You're not wrong though. Infrastructure is far more important, but no one gives a shit about it. Texas' energy grid sound familiar?
No taxpayer money is going towards the renovation of the Nashville Fairgrounds Speedway.
@@MrSports60 oh that's even better then
By no means are Marcus Smith or SMI saints, but when you argue for (or against in this case) something, lying is a terrible argument.
SIMPLE… Restore the Nashville Fairgrounds Speedway!
I think Marcus should buy the houses of everybody who is complaining and then bulldoze them and use it to expand the parking lot.
Is it just me or does his mic make him sound high pitched? 😂😂😂
He reeked of corporate as soon as he started talking, let alone the "points" he made. It's absurd. Also, tweets in 2001? He's so upset, he doesn't even know how to use timelines and buzzwords correctly. Get him a crying towel! I stand with the fairgrounds, and would love to see it make a return. It'd be a huge boost economically for the area, enriches the sport, and is overall a net positive. The opposition is so out of line, they're not in the same zipcode. It'd be comical, if it weren't so sad.
Are there 40 F1 tracks in the area yet? 🙄
I find it funny that these people are complaining about potentially one to two weekends a year that may be louder than usual. People really have nothing else better or constructive to complain about and it shows.
On one hand, i really feel like this is becoming too much of a circus to bother continuing with, and that Nashville Speedway has had good enough racing in the past few years to justify keeping it around instead.
On the other hand, I really wanna get the chance to enjoy these people's displeasure from the Fairgrounds getting re-opened, if for nothing more than me being petty. I hate the stigma certain people will give racing these days, and I wanna see local racing venues continue to grow and prosper more often, and it feels like there's always some lunatics that decide to cry foul at the idea because "muh peace and quiet". Let people have fun, dammit. Life's too short as it is.
Breaks my heart to see this happening in my state's capitol. I could never see this happening in Bristol, we love the track and wish nothing but the best for Nashville. Also thought I'd add, Jason slamming everyone from Bristol is unfounded, but not unexpected. What do we know anyway, they're smart Nashville residents and we're dumb hicks in the mountains.
If you move next to an active racetrack, don't be surprised that there's loud cars there, and that goes for anything that could potentially affect your quality of life or annoy you- don't move next to a railroad if you don't like hearing trains, don't move next to an airport if you don't like hearing airplanes, don't move next to a highway if you don't want to deal with traffic and noise, and don't move next to a farm if you don't want to deal with manure and dust, and as long as those businesses and responsible parties make reasonable efforts to reduce their impact on the communities they're in, the rest is on you. The racetrack also is not operating 24/7/365 it only operates a couple of weekends out of the entire year, so if you can't deal with a couple weekends of racing out of the entire year, that's on you. And for city planners and politicians, don't reward people who failed to do their homework and lack any kind of common sense on where they were moving to by caving in to their demands.
I live down the street from Geodis Stadium and the stadium is far louder than the speedway. Concerts and soccer games have fireworks the whole time which bounces off of that metal stadium and sounds like a bomb going off. We wont even get into the traffic or the security that yells at you because you are trying to get home on their streets. You literally cannot go anywhere two nights a week anymore unless you want to wait until midnight when the concerts or soccer games are over to get home. 34,000 people stadium with 4000 parking places, and barely any sidewalks. It's a nightmare and I was here way before the stadium. Now I hear the stadium is not making enough money so will continue to increase events during the week.🤔
No body wanted to live there years ago. Attended many a Fan Fair there . Till the moved it downtown.
Reminds me of the idiots who moved right behind Myrtle Beach Speedway and then got their way on getting it tore down
Its a very unique track with the location and all. But hoe stupid could you be to build a city around a race track then have the nerve to complain about noise? I swear people have no sense and are the resson many tracks that have been around since before the cities built around them are now gonnanbe disappearing. I dont know what could be done to stop this but its safe to say if racing was as respected here as it is in Europe this wouldnt be a problem
Being a Nashville native, and having a personal connection to the track itself, allow me to be the small thorn in the bed of roses that is this comment section. I can definitely see both sides of this issue, as I try to do with many things, and this is no different. First off, as you mention a bias with those opposed to the expansion of the track, the same bias is clear in this video, but then each side has an audience they are trying to appeal to, so I get that. Jason Bergeron, for whom I don't know, and didn't know of before this video, resigned from the Fair Board before the naming rights agreement was ever signed, in order to avoid the very thing you accuse him of in the video. As far as Geodis Park being a source for noise, I have friends who live no more than a half mile from the stadium, and were opposed to the stadium, and still are in many ways, and even they say the noise is negligible, even when the stadium is filled to capacity, and much of that is thanks to the roof that covers the majority of the stadium. Traffic on the other hand, that's a whole other thing. To another point you brought up, public financing, I for one, am opposed to publicly financing any stadium that the city won't outright own, and there's a growing sentiment to that effect in Nashville after the Titans stadium deal, which is a bad deal all around, and has become an issue in the upcoming mayoral election. I didn't support the Titans getting city money, nor do I support city money going to this either, it's all equal, and it's all bad. I do want to make the point that I do understand the history of the track, as I said in my opening, I have a personal connection to the construction of the track, as my grandfather operated a crane that pulled a paving machine up the banking of the track when it was paved in the early 50s. I also understand the appeal and sentiment of the drivers, as the track is a throwback to a bygone era of short tracks that NASCAR used to race on all the time, rather than just a few times a year. I get it, I get both sides, and I wouldn't have an issue with the expansion plans if 1. There was a plan aside from the features, and one that dealt more with the infrastructure issues that exist (and there may be, and I just haven't heard or read them) and 2. That SMI foot the bill for the project, because I, like a lot of Nashvillians, are getting tired of paying for other peoples' playgrounds. I'm sure I'll get blasted in the replies, but that's my thoughts.
This is more messy than my toilet after Taco Bell💀
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FOR GOD SAKES CAN ONE RUclipsR TALK ABOUT MATT DIBENDETTO ITS BEEN 1 YEAR SINCE HES GOTTEN ANY ATTENTION
@@johnhaas2523 "He hasn't done anything to get talked about and he's nothing but a (expletive) driver." Um, Matt DiBenedetto is 8th in the Truck Series standings, has nine Top 10s so far this year, including six Top 10s in a row as of now, and appears to be a lock in for the playoffs. So I don't know what you're talking about him being a bad driver this year. Automatic first round elimination, maybe, but DiBenedetto is doing well for what his team is given. So, if anything, he should be admired right now for what he's giving that team.
One would think the soccer stadium wpild.want to have a symbiotic relationship with the fairgrounds
The Fairgrounds fought tooth and nail against the soccer stadium getting built there even though it could've been mutually beneficial. Part of what got the deal through is Nashville SC paying 100% for the stadium and infrastructure improvements in the area. The fairgrounds are actually still suing against the stadium even though it's already built. I wish there could've been a positive relationship there but the Fairgrounds chose not to
@@hunterjuneau7037 maybe because they foresaw this coming like they were treated hostile in the planning stages?
@@budsodastories That seems a strange assumption to make. Do you know that to be the case?
I am 100% in favor of the renovation and NASCAR returning, as long as it doesn't effect local short track racing at the track. As a long time former Nashville resident and a former competitor at the track in the 80's and 90's, I would rather see the Nashville Superspeedway, which isn't in Nashville by the way, loose it's NASCAR date and that date go to the Fairgrounds Speedway or at a minimum split the date every other year. When I was going to the races at the Fairgrounds as a fan, there was plenty of parking, even for the All American 400. What happened? Did Metro government build a bunch of stuff in the parking lots? If Metro Nashville government still works the way it used to, it's a done deal. The renovations will go through after they go through the motions.
Idea: have to races in Nashville, one in the Fairgrounds and the other in the superspeedway, just to give both tracks something
That's what happens when you by a house by a race track 😊
I wish that they could renovate it. Bring back the history, double down on motorsports heritage. Wish that the talk would end and the results begin. Also I think it would be cool to have a Nashville Superspeedway Nashville Fairgrounds double-header weekend. Could go leaps and bounds to improve NASCAR Schedule
I've said it before and I'll say it again. This Fairgrounds Speedway thing is an absolute Pipe Dream
Build an identical track somewhere else, where the people want racing. Its their loss.
The parent company to Geodis is a French rail company.
I also find it funny on the public funding side that the opposition is complaining about the 20-50 mil needed for it when, as iceberg said, Nissan stadium rebuild will take 1billion in public funding. Also using the we'll get the superbowl for doing it argument is stupid because you will only be guaranteed one superbowl from said rebuild then the NFL will ignore them after that again and go back to their normal superbowl locations (in Florida, California, Texas, Arizona, Atlanta and New Orleans)
No point in speculating about the NASCAR schedule anymore. According to the opposition, NASCAR will be racing at Nashville Fairgrounds every week next year.
Take a look at Marne, MI.... Small Town built entirely around a short track... Look at how they're doing things.
That dog already craps on the apartment floor.
Just would like to point out almost 30,000 “Nashvillians” in Lebanon Tennessee and the surrounding area are ready for the fairgrounds 🤟 Politicians are the worst kind if people.
I'm bad at geography but the Nashville super speedway has sold out. The Indycar race has become a staple. And I know Supercross ran a couple of events at the football stadium. Why wouldn't you want more people putting money into the local economy?
@@johnhaas2523
That's why I said im bad at geography when it comes to these things.
I'm going to the arca race at illinois state fairgrounds
The speedway and fairgrounds were built long before the houses if people have problems with noise why buy property next to a racetrack to build a house.
It seems like a better logical choice to build in the middle of the woods or the plains with no roads if you want peace and quiet.
The hell with it at this point. Focus the energy where Motorsport is wanted and celebrated and where the community rally’s for it. And give NASHVILLE the ✌️ and let them not take the commerce. Have a nice day.
Was twitter around in 01?
In my opinion if you want to to be fair have people who have actually lived in Nashville more than years vote on it. Lived in Tn all my life been going to the fairgrounds since I was a child. Got to see the final truck race. The problem with all of Tn is all the people moving here and not doing anything for the roads. Hahaha Super Bowl in Nashville will be such a cluster fuck. The town I live in put a amphitheater next to me on a dead end road with one way in and one way out. I hope they renovate it and bring it back.
I thinks it’s like anything these days- anything that is good is now considered bad. What is bad is now good. People’s arguments are so out there and stupid and they believe in it like a religion.
This is a fight with the city coffers and the people that moved into the air path of an airport. The track was there before these people moved there. It’s tons of money to the city & businesses.
I sure hope the city/county tells the whiners to FO.
I'd love to see the Fairgrounds come back and dump the speedway.