Advanced Aikido Techniques Part 1
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Yoshimitsu Yamada, a direct student of O Sensei for more than ten years, is an 8th dan and the chief instructor at the New York Aikikai. Currently, he is Chairman of the Board of the United States Aikido Federation and the Latin America Aikido Federation. He is the author of Aikido Complete and has made multiple aikido training tapes.
Yamada Sensei is well known for his clear and strong basic technique. He teaches seminars all over the world where thousands of students attend his classes.
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"We must keep the spirit of budo no matter how we practice."
Q: You were one of the earlier uchideshi at the Aikikai. What year did you start?
A: When I joined as an uchideshi only Tamura Sensei and Arikawa Sensei were there. Yasuo Kobayashi was still in college. He came to the dojo every day. I entered when I was 17. I am 53 now, so it must have been 1955.
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RIP Donanvan Waite Sensei. You have inspired generations
I've trained somewhat in Aikido (still just starting out). I can tell you from practicing with other students, you really do need to know how to roll. Because if you fight against a technique, and do it wrong, it really hurts.Now is Aikido perfect? No. Does it hurt? Does it work? Depending on the practitioner, yes it does. There are certainly ways around some techniques, but many still work. Try it, then criticize. Good luck learning.
The demonstration is simply for those who know Aikido... Those who do not, are completely taken by surprise.... I would say deluded..... The Sensei is using complicated hand, wrist, elbow and, centre of gravity techniques, to achieve the desired result of throwing his uke...... Such techniques, just as the waist and leg movements by Steven Segal in his movie fight scenes, are imperceptible to the untrained eye...... Of course, uke is thoroughly aware of the technique and is well prepared for it, which unfortunately is not the case on the street or, in war..... Nevertheless, I would recommend Aikido to all...... Life is a circle and, Aikido is understanding the circularity of motion, all motion, including, definitely including that of an attacker..... When Aikido techniques become part of a fighter's natural repertoire of defensive moves, he or she are there, with the Special Forces...
Excellent technique from Yamada sensei and excellent uke from Donovan Waitie sensei
Exelente demostracion del poder que posee el aikido.
@AikikaiAikido, I have trained in Aikido 12months also jujitsu for 25years and judo for 3years and Muay Thai for 3years. It is the first time iv seen this footage and this is an excellent representation of aikido, it incorporates circles, spirals, triangles and wave motion. I would like to see more of these videos if possible as I am very impressed with the quality.
increibles tecnicas. Tan fluidas que parecen facil de hacer.
Me encanta el AIKIDO.
real life does not evolve around fights, real life doesn't work like that. There are other things like: social dynamics, health, education, intelligence, success, goal setting, money making,fun,personality, confidense, humour, charisma,relationships, feeling good, nature,people, pr.....etc In that sense, i think Aikido people use it and make it work in every aspect of their life. As for real fights(very rare)>depends on the character,situational awareness, who hurts first...and luck
Yes, I think aikido would be effective against modern MMA techniques. A simple example: MMA fighters often shoot in for a leg sweep. A defense is to lower center of gravity and oppose the force of the attacker so he cannot take your legs or disturb your center. From there you apply rotational force to takedown your opponent. Instead of receiving the force and opposing it an aikidoist would simply step in, take an arm, and rotate his center to apply ikkyo and submit his opponent.
Advanced Aikido - Uke should move around Nage, not nage around Uke
guiding/cutting the attackers energy along the same line as the attack - deflecting and redirecting it to use against him/herself ne. A principle Aikido principle I think!
After all these years he still doesn't get it. He is all shoulders and strength.
He needs to go back to basics.
Great respects to Yamada Sensei! I enjoy his techniques and his attitude to Aikido.
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It does only require little strength, even a skinny girl can do it. I have trained Jiu Jitsu and thats also exercises that requires little strength. In fact many of the exercises in Aikido are the same they are using in Jiu Jitsu, yes even Judo. Smal skinny girls can do it all the way through.
@Goergebenson That's because you think the moves are application techniques whereas they're actually body conditioning techniques to train the body to work as one collective whole.
That was very slow and beautiful movements. Thank you.
@Goergebenson Lol jujitsu, aikido, and judo follow most of the same principles. Think of it as religions. Theres Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, they seem different but at their core they follow the same principles. I think aikido is more useful because the concept of reversing your opponets momentum is beautiful to me. Then again, it all depends on the fighter so comparing styles really is not fair
Sure it works... even more than those whom does hard techniques... Aikido gives inner peace an templance... it helps better that any other martial art because you learn how to be calm with a clear mind in aggressive situations plus use the body mass straigth... what you see in this video is "Practice" aikido uses jiujutsu forms for training, but it has no form... we can punch, kick, pull hair, pin eyes, pin articulations etc. ones you know aikido there´s no need to figth.
Exclellent Aikido representation. Very good quality.
Yamada Sensei...marvellous...sublime.
DO compair mma w/aikido, i've seen it used in a fight(controlled but not official) w/seccefuly, then again that was by a retired marine that learned aikido in japan fighting an amature fighter but still, aikido works in a fight, but only if you know how.
Excellent video! Thank you very much for sharing. The techniques are so smooth. The uke is doing an excellent job, too. If you do not know how to fall, you will hurt yourself badly.
Aikido is great defensive martial Arts, Professionals of this skill demonstrate it only with someone who is able to absorb push and pulls and throws. it can hurt your partner if he were as dumb as the guys who do not know nothing of aikido. Combat Aikido is as deadly as jujitsu..I will not compare them but martial arts is not for hurting or killing someone.. That is why there is no actual combat competition with practitioners of this skill.. I'm not sure but I haven't heard any yet..
@MrDavidX96 Yes,sometimes there is some force and people start to learn how to use Aikido effectively, but there is a very thin balance between harmony and brawling, please don't confuse the two. As per fights between aikidoka vs others : like a grand master called Fujita Masatake shihan once said : "we all train so maybe one day when we will need to apply our knowledge we would have a better chance to convince the others that they were wrong to attack. And don't forget Keiko! Keiko! Keiko!"
With all due respect to Yamada Sensei, this is no longer how I see Aikido. To a person starting in Aikido, this video is very important. But this style which Yamada Sensei teaches makes Aikido look too harsh. It doesn't explain "Atari" which is one of the most important things in Aikido. If you want to see a totally different way to look at Aikido, type "Endo Sensei Aikido" and really focus on the series of videos.
Yamada Sensei has excellent techniques. I enjoy watching him.
While I'm not a fan at all of the traditional way in whch ke walks up and helpfully grabs te wrist then poses as he's thrown and locked and manipulated by beautiful flowing technique,I do know that more realisticlly sparring will yield speedily effective methods with which we can nter and execute these techniques against a fuly resistant,100% uncooperative attacker intent on doing severe harm to us.I've executed many a wristlock against many an armed and many a fully resistant foe.It works.
This to me is Aikido
We train 3-on-1 or even 7-on-1, it doesn't matter. Breathe and move, that's all it takes.
omg, I would die to be called Yoshimitsu. :D
The very first technique you learn in Aikido is an armbar from the ground.
You're right not all Aikido schools emphasize atemi -- that is to say not all schools teach strikes that make contact. This is for safety during training. In a real life situation where an attacker is non-compliant these same "strikes" may actually hit and cause damage.
I'm sure the reason he added BJJ to his repetoir was to experience another martial art. BJJ has many, many good moves that I am not denying.
nice techniques
@djjack2k8 Muay Thai is like stepped-up boxing. Aikido is all about the opponent's force in his charge, kick, punch, etc and redirecting it in your favor. Really, I'm not sure how they'd go together considering the totally different styles of movement (ie you typically have very little contact time with your hands in muay thai), but I'm sure they can in some way.
Both kotegaeshi and sankyo would not be allowed in most MMA competitions since most do not allow small joint manipulation. To say that all his wins were by BJJ/submission wrestling moves is ignorant. BJJ comes from jujitsu and so does Aikido. Some of the techniques in one may look a lot like the other and vice versa. Aikido has armbars, chokes, even punches....
The use of attackers forces against him. Plus development of harmony within ones self.
BJJ and Aikido both come from Jujitsu. In order for you to employ BJJ against you would need to be able to perform a takedown -- something any proficient aikidoist would never allow you to do.
To put it another way: How do you pass a guard when there is no guard to pass?
Wow you know nothing of Aikido. There is atemi in Aikido, quite a lot really. Aikido's randori includes many attackers, attacking at will. Your BJJ will help you against one person, but if you are attacked by just one other person you will be overwhelmed.
nice advanced techniques and the redux with slow motion is a great idea. However I am a student of Aikido and some of these techniques seem a little too elaborate to be effective. nice demo though!
@Akbarquaran i only speak a little japanese, i don't go too much farther than ja matasda watshi wa mrdavidx96 des and uke naga etc, you'll have to tell me what Keiko means
a gentle man none of this apology stuff goes on the boxing site its good to hear life is too short to be angry all the time but some people can get you close take care
i just met a 4Th dan on this, explainme with fewer an painful ways what aikido is. :p
simple amazing, i came to youtube to see more of tihs. thanks for share.
I looked up the video you were referring to. The only think resembling the Aikido in this video is the pants (I'm sorry I do not know what the garmet is called). I did not see any of the techniques that I have seen in any of these demonstrations. Also the opponent was not "dummied". It was a relatively even match. It was hard to see cause someone decided to video tape it with their sandwich.
@Goergebenson
Yah that's what i also thought at first when I was just startin to learn the techniqs shown here..i even told my uke "hey dont fall so hard youl get hurt! is it some sort of a choreograph?" when im doing the task of uke myself i then proved that its not part of a choreogrph!! techniqs are painful when done properly..can cause much injury to the uke if the falling is not done this way...with these many moves shown here ull only choose 1for practical application..really effective!
@Goergebenson Actually I think Aikido is a capital idea against tae kwon do, most TKD users outside of Korea want the vital parts of the body so they go for head and neck, when they attempt that high kick thats when they already lost. Now against more unpredictable styles like Capoeira and Muay Thai where flying knees and spinning back kicks are common then I could understand. But then again, when you get in a street fight you don't expect some common guy to be a 3rd degree black belt lol
The more you train in Aikido the better you can respond to quick punches like some1 was writing in here, and the more effective you become in controlling any opponent. Though with the more time you spend and better you get, the more you understand we are not training to bring harm to others but to make Peace. MMA and UFC have different purposes, so please don't compare them. Cheers :)
For the guy who doesn't think this could be used in a real fight, this is the only "real" fighting there is, from men who spent a thousand years in "real" fighting, with the finest swords ever devised. This is sword fighting, without the swords, same technique. If you don't believe me, try to throw a punch at a master of position, an aikido student. It's like chess, and the shit you know isn't in the rules.
I don't dare comment, Sensei Yamada, I can't second guess his "stuff", you know? I can say that with all of life's tremors, Aikido is the only peace I have found. It is profoundly sensible, I wholeheartedly would promote it, even after 25 years in the striking arts. It does not compare, it's a whole 'nother box of stuff. It's real. Before WWII, Sensei did it to you, after WWII, you had to come to him first! It was now "peaceful".. It's all based on 3' razor blades! One move had to work.
Depends. In training you generally throw people across the mat, in the street and if you're having a full on training session you throw them through the floor. There have been times when I've not taken ukemi correctly while being thrown across the mat and I've been badly injured, as in three months hobbling around on crutches. I dread to think what would happen if I screwed up while being thrown INTO the mat.
Aikido is defense without maiming anyone. Aikido techniques can be changed
In fighting multiple terrorists, Aikido would be used with other martial arts techniques.
Spinning enemies would be used to keep other terrorists away (like a shield), then flip or throw terrorists onto others. During throws or flips, it's best to dislocate at least 1 enemy joint &/or break some bones. Injured terrorists can't fight as effectively.
As terrorists untangle themselves, there'd be time to neutralize another.
I've watched the fights and you've proven nothing to me. The only two that had multiple opponents was a 2 vs 3 and some weird riot and it looks like a few got someone down and kicked him good.
Don't know what was said, how it went down. You simply haven't proven that fights in the UK are usually multiple attacker. You said it. now prove it. Or at least back it up with more than two vids.
The Aikidoka is NOT aware that he is falling before his opponent IF the opponent was the one to make it happen!! Either with a trip, takedown, or bottle.
The premise falls. If the Aikidoka is not ahead in the "loop" then he cannot react any faster than the attacker. Just like all those that said their striking would prevent a grappler from getting close. It failed too.
Accepting these premises is a leap of faith. I do not believe that Aikidoka have an advantage over humankind. Sorry!
And this is the value of weapons work: It shows you multiple strategies for putting your opponent behind you in the loop before the fight even starts. If you want to fight with swords you have to get past your opponents sword and get control of the line of attack before you can even think of striking. Which means you have to learn to close off avenues of attack and open up others so that your opponent is forced into doing something reasonably predictable allowing you to kill him.
The Aikidoka's reaction speed is therefore faster. By the time the attacker is positioned to kick or delivering the kick the Aikidoka could already be back on his feet and because he's ahead in the loop he has the advantage and can seize the initiative futher disrupting the OODA loops of the attackers who are now forced to react to the Aikidoka.
This is what randori teaches, the disruption of the OODA loops of multiple ukes to the point they cannot effectively attack allowing escape.
OODA loops have to do with any decision made by a human being. The Aikidoka is aware that he is falling before the opponent is so he is ahead in the OODA loop. Plus the Aikidoka only has one course of action so his OODA loop is faster. The attacker has many different options to choose from and many other variables to consider all of which which slows down his response.
Then there's the time needed to close the distance to strike and the fact that he is stationary kicking at a moving target.
I'm having a hard time finding this big news in the media. I did a search on violence in the UK. Now, I'm hobbled by not knowing the best sources of news in Europe, but this is all I found.
on pub violence: Fights could erupt anywhere, but only one in 10 could be described as truly "rough" pubs where violence was endemic.
tell me where to verify the fact that violence is on the rise in the UK and particularly multiple attackers. Otherwise, all I have is your word and that has not been good.
Yeah and in town centers on a night towards the end of the week say thursday on wards you'll scenes like those. Especially up north.
This is something that is big news in the the national media here. Both because people are fed up of town centres becoming warzones and because resorts in Spain and Greece are fed up of Brits going there on holiday and trashing the place. We have this cultural problem where a good night out is getting pissed and kicking the crap out of random passers by.
I do have a reply about the footage. I searched that on youtube and couldn't make it out. Add some to your favorites and I'll see it for sure. You have to add an enormous number for it to be representative of a whole COUNTRY.
Every country and city has it's bad areas. If you want to get shot in Canada, I can tell you where you need to be. Toronto has affluent and young areas where it is damn safe. We also have crime-infested areas where a roach isn't safe. UK is probably the same
So you Aikidoka can be on your feet before anyone can react is different from saying that you are too fast to be hit?
Before anyone can react = Faster than anyone can hit.
I'm really sorry to be beating you over the head with these outrageous and insupportable comments, but they are just cut and paste and you keep making them. Take a contemporary philosophy course. They'll teach you how to debate and not make comments you can't support.
Sure! Here is your quote when I tried to tell you that being on your back is shitty and it's good to have some options. According to you...
"If a moving Aikidoka slips or trips he'll be back on his feet before anyone can react and he probably wont even have slowed down."
That's pretty clear. We can stand up before anyone can react. Reeks of overconfidence and very much inflated claims of superiority. Kind of par for the course where you are concerned.
Every one of your 27 years you have been and seen fights? Wow!! That is a lot different than your 200 fight claim. See... 27 years, one fight (seen or been) well... you were off by 173 fights.
But then... one a week. 52 weeks a year x 27 years that means you've seen 1,404 fights. Incredible! Or bullshit. Easy call.
I think that it is great that you speak for the entire UK. Lord knows you're qualified. The entire UK has erupted in violence. Damn. Had a great time there about 10 yrs ago
I'm getting a math lesson from a man who got his own age wrong on his profile. I think I'll pass on that one.
You said "I have 27 years worth of experience of fighting in the UK." Just a GREAT example of your habitual exaggeration.
Asking about my heritage? Last time you asked a personal question it was about my rank. Asked twice, when I gave it, you pussied out and wouldn't give yours.
You are NOT a person that anyone should take seriously. Outrageous sweeping statements and BS.
Yeah do the maths, if I'm 27, that means I have 27 years experience of living in the UK and I can't remember things from birth, leave it until I'm at school age and can remember stuff say about four years old. That leaves me with 23 years of witnessing stuff and remembering it. Be careful when you make exact quotes. Don't think too hard will you you might figure something out. You're not French canadian are you? English skills not quite there maybe.
No I said I had 27 years worth of experience of fighting in the UK. As in all my life I've been around people fighting.
At age 5 I'd seen a few things and being in that envoironment if something happens you know about it. You hear it for a start. I remember one saturday night I came downstairs and got myself a pint of pepsi and some crisps. My uncle yells at me to go upstairs, a pint glass skims over my head and then it proper kicked off and that kind of thing happened a few times.
Lets talk about what I know.
I know that you said you bounced and managed a pub for 27 years and that is how you know most fights are not one on one.
Seeing as how YOU are 27 that is complete bullshit. Or did you manage or bounce at age 5?
I know that I would be stupid to listen to one person on the internet (who can't get his age right on his profile) as to entire state of the UK fight scene.
I know that you'll make insupportable statements and then scramble to justify them. I know enough.
No. I know about false-cause arguments that don't prove anything. If someone lives above a dog grooming establishment, they aren't experts on dogs or breeding.
Kids have to go to bed before adults. Kind of normal.
I never made the statement you attribute to me yet again. So you are just arguing with yourself. Weird. But it makes you feel like a winner. Create an unsupportable fact, attribute it to another and refute. Damn.... you really are insecure.
I mean, aren't you embarrassed? You got your age wrong on your own profile (or forgot it is there), you talked at length about an art you know nothing about and were proven to be completely full of shit.
Aren't you embarrassed that the only Aikidoka in action you can find is a one-armed guy who wins without Aikido? If I called someone out to find a real fight, they did and I couldn't... I'd feel like an ass.
So show me the vid or title that shows an Aikidoka on his back working an arm bar. If you can't, I'm gonna call bullshit (yet again) and NOT attribute this "victory" to Aikido.
Anyone reading this, search yourself for an Aikido arm bar or Rokkyo. You will come up empty.
Still, BJJ has tournaments, UFC1 and 2, vids of fights between two people (broken arms too!). Aikido has NONE of this. To say BJJ has proven nothing practical is ridiculous from art that hasn't proven anything at all.
Lord in heaven. Half-truths, irrelevance...pity is this probably works on sheep.
If you live above a pub when you are three years old, it doesn't mean you know how one works OR how the fights go down outside. Kids have a bedtime.
The only thing I have asserted about Aikido, is that the techniques just seem unrealistic or too damn hard in a fight. Similarly, I cannot find ANY evidence (other than anecdotal from the faithful) that an Aikidoka has prevailed in a tournament or street fight.
No it isn't. I just searched Rokkyo and found a great demo and it is NOTHING like what the one-armed bandit pulled.
I challenged other people that said it was Aikido to tell the title of the vid that shows an Aikidoka on his back pulling an arm bar. Nobody has been able to do it. Because they CAN'T.
Could I find a BJJ or other MMA arm bar vid? Oh, lord... so many.
Doesn't change the fact that you can't find a one on one fight on the whole internet or youtube. Not ONE.
There you go again. I'm not getting angry at all. I'm just tired of trying to reason with a flower. You need to STOP telling people what their opinions are. Asking makes more sense. Of course, then you couldn't refute a statement that nobody made.
I had MANY reasons to walk from Aikido and even more to not recommend it to anyone. You were not "happy" to say you were wrong about BJJ. You had to buy the book, still try to wriggle out of your preposterous statement and had nowhere to go.
No I analyse your words and now you're getting angry because you know I'm right.
You like to deal in reality? Obviously not enough to find the reality of weapons work in Aikido. If you'd have bothered to find out the reality of Aikido'd probably still be training. But you thought you knew the reality of it, you still do. You still can't accept that it isn't what you thought it was.
I was happy to say that I was mistaken about BJJ no such statement has come from you about Aikido. Ego much?
Joke? You want to talk about a joke? Let me tell you about the poser in Aikido who started dissing BJJ. Just kept going and challenged the BJJer's to find a real fight. They did! It was two adversaries, no rules and BJJ prevailed.
Ready for the punchline? When the Aikidoka was challenged to do the same, the fucker could only find a ONE ARMED AIKIDOKA WINNING WITH A MOVE THAT WASN'T AIKIDO!!!! LOL!!!
In fact, all Aikido has is anecdotal evidence. Talk about shaky!
I'm not putting words in your mouth I'm just examining the implications of what you say.
On the question of weapons training, given your extensive knowledge attained over 4 whole classes, the only reasonable statement you can make about Aikido weapons work is "I don't know."
In fact the only statement on Aikido that you can make is "I don't know." You can't demonstrate that it's ineffective or effective, practical or impractical because you don't know. You lack the training or experience.
OK 25 years. If you felt it was impractical that implies that you knew better than the Aikidoka. That implies that you believed that the immediate practical purpose behind sword training was to use a sword.
That's making a statement that you know why Aikidoka use bokken and that you know better.
If you genuinely didn't think you knew, you would have asked. Since you didn't we have to assume you thought you knew better.
You can say what you want. I've taken about 3-4 classes where they were using a Bokken. I was a natural and the people I was working with were shocked that I had no prior experience.
I walked away from the weapons classes because...WTF! I'm never going to carry a sword and neither is my opponent, so forget it. The jo made more sense to me or the tanto. Just never got the chance. I'm more interested in hand to hand. Most people are.
Five years? One year in BJJ makes you much better than the untrained.
I'm noticing some things you have said seem fishy. According to you, a "high ranked" Aikidoka, now unbeatable, Managed and bounced at a pub for 27 years, you are 36 and taking your masters? Yet you can't follow a simple point, and forget the things that you've said. You say just about anything and then try to save yourself.
You've plenty to say about the aims and philosophy of an art you know nothing about. Bad form
Your ability to misunderstand, talk around the issue and provide half truths is really without peer.
There is a proper way to hold it and a proper stance. Try as you might to talk about other things, the bokken IS moved. It came easy and they had to stop higher kyus from attacking first. They had no idea I was a rookie. I had a gift for it.
I stopped, because I don't carry a friggin' sword, nor do my opponents!! You say BJJ has proven nothing of practical value while you play with swords?
It's not about moving the bokken it's about making sure your body positioning, distancing and angles is correct.
Uchi Kaiten for example you cut the femoral artery which ensures you're at the correct distance to stretch and unbalance uke, then you make 270 degree turn to decapitate them, which also locks up their shoulder, elbow and wrist, which gives you a lever to bring them down with.
But if your cuts aren't in the right place, your none of it works.
We have adult, beginner and advanced classes. Blue belts train with whites and purples help out too. Great community.
You don't have to tell me that all the ranks train together. I did it. I remember watching first kyu at work and I remember them telling me that applying Aikido in a real fight was damn hard. I remember watching the advanced students train and I still maintain that it was unrealistic. 6th kyu or any you still see the training and the results.
More than you can say for BJJ
Your hypocrisy knows no bounds! YOU were the one claiming that BJJ's first and only goal was to go to the ground. Quotes from the Gracies proved that was crap. You were the one that said we don't learn any standup. 2 techniques was what you said. Proven wrong.
The point is, if you would talk about things you do not know about.... why the hell would anyone listen to you about anything. It's not like you would say... "I don't know."
Too insecure!
I mean we still attack weak points in the armour during weapons work, we still use weapons in conjunction with throws and joint locks koryu jujutsu style. Weapon attacks are still the basis of our attacks, defence against and use of a weapon is still the basis of our kata.
We still use kata! The reference point for technical correctness is if do the kata with a bokken and if your cuts are in the right place your kata is correct.
Although it isn't koryu the koryu influence is easy to see.
I don't talk much about BJJ I talk about ground work be that BJJ, JJ, Judo.
Actually the local BJJ class is far more expensive than my Aikido class and they have different classes for different grades.
In my dojo everyone regardless of rank trains together and does the same stuff on the whole.
Daito ryu is koryu jujutsu, it's a system created by people that survived on the battlefield long enough to teach what they'd learned and that was passed on to Aikido.
I still am talking about multiple attackers, the assumption in Aikido is that it is multiple attack.
Did I say faster than anyone can see?
Did I say it was infallible?
I'm just stating that there's far more to Aikido than you think. I've seen Aikidoka fights, I've used Aikido. Aikido draws on nigh on 1000 years of battlefield experience, we do have quite a lot of bases covered, more than most people realise. But then most people get 6th kyu decide they know everything and leave.
And YOU forget that we started talking about multiple attackers. I told you that someone might get thrown to the ground, trip or get hit hard from behind.
You explained your kryptonian powers and that you could move faster than anyone can see....
Now you are talking about ONE attacker. Your system is not infallible and to think that it is..... is begging for a very ugly wake up call. I don't wish that on you.
Perhaps you will be lucky and see an Aikidoka experience what I am talking about.
Ukemi is the art of recieving technique part of which is what to do when you are falling. You forget that the attacker would be kicking at a target that had probably thrown himself clear and was actively moving away from him. I'm not talking about rolling on the spot here, I'm talking about systems of escape and evasion.
You should play british bulldog, teaches you to stay on your feet when six guys are dragging you down. Awesome game.
Guy.. I think you are just fooling yourself. Ukemi does not make a person impervious to falling or to being on their back. A drunken Aikidoka getting up? That's your gauge? Did these same guys have someone trying to kick them in the face? Doubt it.
Maybe it's because I've grown up in Canada and when winter comes, people who have lived here their whole lives fall on ice. Maybe it's because we love contact sports. Getting knocked on your ass happens. Better have a plan.
Sorry dude, the choreography of practise and the hilarious "attacks" just make it seem a little unrealistic. This is the RUN ACROSS ROOM AND GRAB WRIST attack. Then we go to the RUN ACROSS ROOM AND THRUST attack. Realistic?
It reminds me of Jim Carrey as the martial arts instructor making his student attack him properly (and pathetically) before KO. You should watch it. Good for a laugh.
There's a difference between a punch and a thrust. There is no direct defence against punching in Aikido, you simply have to enter in and clinch.
Thursting through is a different matter, the intent is different it is actually a weapon attack. Rather than just hitting the opponent the intention is to drive a weapon into the body. And even then you don't catch it you rely on timing to be in the right place to meet it.
Oh I can roll to my feet. Doesn't take long at all. I believe a punch or a kick can be faster than me getting to my feet.
Sounds like you are overestimating your abilities and underestimating your opponent. Always a good idea!
Tripping in a dojo is nothing like tripping in a parking lot and you know it. I've seen guys in fights backing up for good reason, only to fall over the unseen and land on icy pavement. Good luck popping up on that!
An opinion, but Aikido needs to evolve and spar
I remember distinctly, being taught technique where we had to almost "catch" a punch and steer it in the direction we wanted. I say.. can't be done. Too damn hard.
So test it! Have an Aikido research group that tries out the effectiveness of what is taught and rate it. I think the wristlocks from lapel grab will do well. Others will be trashed fast.
Half of this vid is, attacker grabs wrist....uh okay. Hardly realistic.
Before you can say what Aikido needs you actually need to know how Aikido trains.
Normal Aikido training in the high kyu grades tests everything sparring tests.
My instructor will get the biggest guy in the dojo to try and lock me down. I'm constantly having people try and take me down and every time I enter in it has to be in such a way that it puts me in a dominant position from which I can't be struck and from which uke can't recover.
If uke can resist I'm doing something wrong.
I think Aikidoka would do well to find a way to work in some sparring into what they do. Or at least, add some realism to the drill.
Example: I've seen martial arts of different types work on a wide sweeping block of a punch. I don't think it would work, but there is a safe way to find out. Get the student to put on a hockey helm with mask . Have the attacker put on some small gloves.
Have the attacker try to punch the student in the face say 20 times. See how many blocks are successful
It was a Nick Diaz fight against a guy from Japan. He just friggin stood there with both hands up and wide waiting for the jab. He planned to block it and counterpunch with power. That was the plan. It sounded GREAT!!
What happened? Diaz landed a merciless jab while looking at the guy like "are you serious?" and eventually knocked him the fuck out.
People who convince themselves that they can easily block a punch are in for an ugly surprise. This guy was a pro and found out it was futile
I think it makes a lot of sense to train for a worst case scenario instead of trying to minimize it's occurrence. An Aikidoka can be back on his feet before anyone can react. Anyone else think that this sounds vaguely superhuman?
Reminds me of the guy in a UFC waiting for opponent to punch. They figured they could block and counter punch. Sounded good. Ended badly. Got nailed at will.
Training accidents are in a controlled environment. Can't be compared to a skirmish elsewhere.
It's a possibility of course but the idea of training is that it minimises such possibilites. If a moving Aikidoka slips or trips he'll be back on his feet before anyone can react and he probably wont even have slowed down. Again, we train for it.
On the balance of probabilites I think it's unlikely I'll end up on my back. From the way training accidents happen it seems likely to me that if I'm moving forward it's me that'll land on top. And now I'm going for a drink.
Interesting choice of words. "Aikidoka avoid the clinch." I try and avoid the flu. Still get it.
Aikidoka could find themselves in the clinch or taken from behind and they have no time to react. Or, they can slip and trip over something on the ground. It happens not fighting.
If you want to try and avoid it, great idea! But if you DO end up on your back, you need options to get away. BJJ trains for this and nobody advocates your back in a street fight. Doesn't mean it can't happen.
People are always like "Why doesn't anyone try punching during your randori" and the answer is that tori isn't going to stick around to get punched.
The only option is to grapple and getting that initial grip on someone that's moving and using atemi isn't easy, if you close enough to grab you're close enough to get punched. If you manage to get a grip they can harmonise with it, use your movement to off balance you and you end up on the floor.
The only fights I can find where someone was successful in overcoming multiple attackers... were two on youtube.
What was the person's training? You'd be surprised. I was. It was....
Are you ready for it?
Boxing. A couple of guys landed some hard and fast shots and one guy beat up two, another beat up 3 or 4.
Lets make you work. If there is no evidence whatsoever that Aikidoka works one on one, what the hell makes it viable against many?
And here I am accusing you of using another language to make yourself feel superior. Proved me right.
I do know what ad hominem is and it would have been easy to figure out given the context in which it was used. For a man working on a masters, you certainly favor the straw man fallacy. Misrepresenting your opponent is cheap and low.
You do need a lesson in how to get up from the ground, or make some space to get away. Our training is the standup you have already acknowledged.
An Aikidoka asking for proof when you can't provide a single vid of Aikido working in even a one on one fight.
So being extremely effective in a one on one fight is not practical. Being able to avoid a takedown and get up fast is not practical. Run from a multiple attack is bad advice. Whatever buddy!
Your sweeping statement is based on your opinion and nothing else.
Yup. No higher education for you. Probably not luck that I guessed you were single and didn't get much of an education.
BJJ does consider multiple attack scenarios and they say... "get the hell out of there". They also teach a good number of techniques that will help someone do that.
Your original point was : "They've proven nothing of any practical value." Trolling at it's worst and disrespectful to an art that is enjoyed by many.
I could tell you are single by your attitude and I can tell you have no higher education because of the sweeping statements like "in the UK 1 v 1 is rare"
What do you base that on
Yes. Your problem is that you assume too much and attribute arguments to this text that simply don't exist. They do believe that martial arts that say they train to effectively deal with multiple attackers are fooling themselves. inflated claims is what they say.
That said, there are all sorts of reasons not to go to the ground. No BJJ is gonna take on 12 guys. The environment itself might be hostile. Broken glass, whatever. We don't practice getting up if we only want to stay down.