If you're not from the coloured community, you don't truly know us. You might think you do, but in reality, you do not. I've been expressing this sentiment for years, for yearrrrrrrrrs! Tessa Dooms, Director at Rivonia Circle and Lynsey Ebony Chutel, a journalist for The New York Times, have both reiterated this (they're the authors of the book titled Coloured - how classification became a culture. I often compare the way South Africans feel about how the U.S. portrays South Africa and the rest of Africa to how coloured people are portrayed. The depiction is often through a very skewed lens. The coloured community is far from being a monolith, yet there is a tendency to tar us all with the same brush. There are stereotypes and negative labels about us that many coloured people can't even relate to. It’s quite amusing 😂
The brother from Ghana still has much to learn and truly grasp the profound impact of systemic injustices and how their legacy continues to shape and affect future generations.
Rre Trevor Noah depicts the majority Ubuntu/Botho philosophy of our people in that he is a polyglot of our languages. That is the difference between growing up in blackcentric society such as Johannesburg in comparison to the highly polarised western-philosophy based Cape Town. Cape town has been cleared of its indigenous languages of the Khoi-Khoi. They were enslaved and thus had to invent Afrikaans(which the dutch subsequently stole in the 20th century) Hence the Xamissa ancient philosophy died there. Alot of us in the north speak many languages + Afrikaans and English. We learn each others languages. There was even a language to bridge whites jnabilty to speak to their workers in the mines called FANAGALO. It would be wise to view this from a necropolitics perspective. thanks for the discussion.
Just because an oppressive system stops, doesn't mean it ceases to affect peoples realities. It doesn't mean wealth disparities and social privelages become automatically balanced. I think the man on the left lacks that understanding, perhaps because he is not from a settler colonial state. But DEI and BBEEE are methods to rebalance society so that we can get to a place where everyone can actually have access to relatively equal opportunities
Did you expect white people to give you money in compensation? Of course they wouldn't. What I love about black South African is their pride, it keeps them on top, they don't let white people gaslight them, they ignore them when they're not relevant to their community conversations and they don't let them lead (they're outsiders and must keep quiet on African issues, white issues are not black issues). My advice to Colored people to stop expecting the people who formerly enslaved you to give you anything. BUILD from scratch for yourselves. Stop speaking to gaslighters.
bro from ghana strikes me as a person who knows little/nothing about south african history and why programs like BEE must exist in that society. other countries with similar histories of disenfranchisement of sections of its population based on one's heritage or race can relate. Am from kenya and indeed this conversation about bringing up marginalised or historically disempowered groups is advancing steadily.indeed at independence we had an africanisation program but has since died, but it was a very relevant discussion at the time.
If we asked the average Ghanaian in Ghana, what this guy is talking about when he says equal footing I'm sure they'd laugh and tell you about the inequalities that exist in their country. Because he sounds like a very privileged child with blinds on to the world around him.🤞🏿
The guy from Ghana is ignorant of South African history, Ghana got independence from the British in the 60s, how far have you developed ? and you never had apartheid after colonialism as we did ,go back and study South African history before you comment.
Then why do Ghanians flood South Africa if they all have equal opportunities? I know so many here in my city.At least he listened to when the white woman spoke
Bro lives under a rock . I am a Black American and millions like myself knows a lot about Africa.. this dude makes black folks in America looks ingnorant in front of our south African sisters..
I think what surprising to me with him is that he failed to articulate the link between affirmative action in the US and in SA because the policies are similar
I agree with the Ghanaian's point. Inspite of social inequalities, systems should be meritocratic. Inequalities should be tackled by improving access to education, health etc. Giving someone who is less qualified a job is not the answer...
Dude from Ghana needs to be educated on correcting the Imbalances of what the systems off the past created that still benefit the few privileged leaving behind the new incoming born free in today's SA new democratic system. The coloured girl isn't really saying nothing here, u needed a black educated SA responding to the Guy from Ghana on finding balance in a work place than still having one dominate group still in majority and in control of a certain work place environment. To correct this u need to balance the Equation in getting as much black folks and other non whites educated in that work environment to have a fair representation off the multicultural SA society than having still one dominate race group that has been given first priorities in the past yet we are all free today. It's still not balance for that matter due to systematically passed on Racist systems and to correct this the gov and SA introduced what u call BEE programs bringing in the left behind to the peace off the pie than having one race dominate everything because that's how it looked it even when we all are free today.
People mistake being mixed raced for coloured. I am a black women, with a white partner..our child isn’t “culturally” coloured in the south african sense. Trevor is half black with Xhosa culture and half white
There are 10 ethnic groups of African people in South Africa Zulu Xhosa Tsonga Venda Ndebele Tswana Swati Sotho Pedi Kwe 80+ percent of the country population But not even one of them is there with you
The question discussed is wrong. What's south-african? It's exactly what they did to it since the 1500. Blacks occupy political offices for administrative purposes. A few of them manage to use state money to live nice. The system put in place by colonizers since the 1500s is still in place. But, fortunately, the system of our royalty is going to be forced to take over. Knowledge is coming out. Fast, unfortunately! So, which south-african is the question about, since that south-african exists in a colonisation-apartheid-violance made system that continues to date. Just saying! Lovely show
If you're not from the coloured community, you don't truly know us. You might think you do, but in reality, you do not. I've been expressing this sentiment for years, for yearrrrrrrrrs! Tessa Dooms, Director at Rivonia Circle and Lynsey Ebony Chutel, a journalist for The New York Times, have both reiterated this (they're the authors of the book titled Coloured - how classification became a culture.
I often compare the way South Africans feel about how the U.S. portrays South Africa and the rest of Africa to how coloured people are portrayed. The depiction is often through a very skewed lens. The coloured community is far from being a monolith, yet there is a tendency to tar us all with the same brush.
There are stereotypes and negative labels about us that many coloured people can't even relate to. It’s quite amusing 😂
Stereotypes such as?
The brother from Ghana still has much to learn and truly grasp the profound impact of systemic injustices and how their legacy continues to shape and affect future generations.
Also, thank you for this channel!!! You're doing the Lord's work!
Regards,
Coloured South African ❤️🇿🇦
Our pleasure! More is in the pipeline ❤️. Thanks for your interest in our discussions.
Rre Trevor Noah depicts the majority Ubuntu/Botho philosophy of our people in that he is a polyglot of our languages. That is the difference between growing up in blackcentric society such as Johannesburg in comparison to the highly polarised western-philosophy based Cape Town. Cape town has been cleared of its indigenous languages of the Khoi-Khoi. They were enslaved and thus had to invent Afrikaans(which the dutch subsequently stole in the 20th century) Hence the Xamissa ancient philosophy died there. Alot of us in the north speak many languages + Afrikaans and English. We learn each others languages. There was even a language to bridge whites jnabilty to speak to their workers in the mines called FANAGALO. It would be wise to view this from a necropolitics perspective. thanks for the discussion.
My dad used to speak about Fanagalo a lot when I was a child. I thought he was making up words 😂 Nostalgia 😊
This was very insightful, thank you sharppstarr💯
Just because an oppressive system stops, doesn't mean it ceases to affect peoples realities. It doesn't mean wealth disparities and social privelages become automatically balanced. I think the man on the left lacks that understanding, perhaps because he is not from a settler colonial state. But DEI and BBEEE are methods to rebalance society so that we can get to a place where everyone can actually have access to relatively equal opportunities
Did you expect white people to give you money in compensation? Of course they wouldn't. What I love about black South African is their pride, it keeps them on top, they don't let white people gaslight them, they ignore them when they're not relevant to their community conversations and they don't let them lead (they're outsiders and must keep quiet on African issues, white issues are not black issues). My advice to Colored people to stop expecting the people who formerly enslaved you to give you anything. BUILD from scratch for yourselves. Stop speaking to gaslighters.
I think the person who was telling him that affirmative action meant less qualified was lying to him.
bro from ghana strikes me as a person who knows little/nothing about south african history and why programs like BEE must exist in that society. other countries with similar histories of disenfranchisement of sections of its population based on one's heritage or race can relate. Am from kenya and indeed this conversation about bringing up marginalised or historically disempowered groups is advancing steadily.indeed at independence we had an africanisation program but has since died, but it was a very relevant discussion at the time.
If we asked the average Ghanaian in Ghana, what this guy is talking about when he says equal footing I'm sure they'd laugh and tell you about the inequalities that exist in their country.
Because he sounds like a very privileged child with blinds on to the world around him.🤞🏿
You should have added a Black South African
The guy from Ghana is ignorant of South African history, Ghana got independence from the British in the 60s, how far have you developed ? and you never had apartheid after colonialism as we did ,go back and study South African history before you comment.
Then why do Ghanians flood South Africa if they all have equal opportunities? I know so many here in my city.At least he listened to when the white woman spoke
Bro lives under a rock . I am a Black American and millions like myself knows a lot about Africa.. this dude makes black folks in America looks ingnorant in front of our south African sisters..
This is why these discussions are so important… we need to learn more about and empower each other 🙏🏽
I think what surprising to me with him is that he failed to articulate the link between affirmative action in the US and in SA because the policies are similar
Not at all. It was a valid question.
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I agree with the Ghanaian's point. Inspite of social inequalities, systems should be meritocratic. Inequalities should be tackled by improving access to education, health etc. Giving someone who is less qualified a job is not the answer...
Dude from Ghana needs to be educated on correcting the Imbalances of what the systems off the past created that still benefit the few privileged leaving behind the new incoming born free in today's SA new democratic system. The coloured girl isn't really saying nothing here, u needed a black educated SA responding to the Guy from Ghana on finding balance in a work place than still having one dominate group still in majority and in control of a certain work place environment. To correct this u need to balance the Equation in getting as much black folks and other non whites educated in that work environment to have a fair representation off the multicultural SA society than having still one dominate race group that has been given first priorities in the past yet we are all free today. It's still not balance for that matter due to systematically passed on Racist systems and to correct this the gov and SA introduced what u call BEE programs bringing in the left behind to the peace off the pie than having one race dominate everything because that's how it looked it even when we all are free today.
Thoughts 💭?!
People mistake being mixed raced for coloured. I am a black women, with a white partner..our child isn’t “culturally” coloured in the south african sense. Trevor is half black with Xhosa culture and half white
There are 10 ethnic groups of African people in South Africa
Zulu
Xhosa
Tsonga
Venda
Ndebele
Tswana
Swati
Sotho
Pedi
Kwe
80+ percent of the country population
But not even one of them is there with you
The question discussed is wrong. What's south-african? It's exactly what they did to it
since the 1500. Blacks occupy political offices for administrative purposes. A few of them manage to use state money to live nice. The system put in place by colonizers since the 1500s is still in place. But, fortunately, the system of our royalty is going to be forced to take over. Knowledge is coming out. Fast, unfortunately! So, which south-african is the question about, since that south-african exists in a colonisation-apartheid-violance made system that continues to date. Just saying! Lovely show
1500s? Colony?
Elaborate please.