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39:00 - the "vodka type of drink" - it's a Rakija 100% guarantee - a type of home-brewed "brandy" or "moonshine" if you want, boiled from high on sugar fruits - grapes, plums, apricot, even cherry.. the alc. varies from 40% up to 70%. We balkan people, don't go anywhere without it. The % of alc. 40-49, depends on it's purpose: - fastest & most efficient way, to "mess your skate's laces" - go with lower % of alc. Very aromatic, goes in soft and beery - the perfect appetizer for this, is a salad of fresh cucumbers and tomatoes, seasoned with onions, olive oil, and Balkan white cheese. a.k.a - "Shopska" salad. These rakijas are usually well aged, between 3 & 15 years. Kept hidden for special occasions, like weddings, anniversaries or foreigner's visitations - where we want to impress 'em. - "Daily" used, is aged about 1-2 years, 51-59%, and it's purpose is chess, board, or card games that happen daily with friends: the point is - they don't drink all of your Rakija. This is the "high-octane" - where every sip is a struggle, and they "lick" a cup of 150-200ml. all night.. And thus - not get too messed up, and walk away on foot. 2 preferably. Not effective move on experienced players. They drink that & when messed up - ask for the "hidden one from the cashe". - 65-70% - this is "Exorsism" class of alcohol, with questionable legality. On the sea level - is used only, for medical purposes, external application. For foreigners - a pure poison. For ours - not for weak ones (kids under 9 y.o.). The Highlander's coffee: Only way to drink it - you must be on 4000m or above. Thin air sobers you fast, as it evaporates through your skin quickly, when pressure is low. On other point - usually, these substances are flavored with chilly pepper (yes - a litteral chilly pepper - dropped right in the bottle). It's used instead of coffee - a sip of it "punches" so hard you rather open your eyes and wake up from the shock. Where the chilly taste starts working on your stomach & help dissolve the food quicker. Exactly what coffeine does, but healthier. Credits for that discovery - Kirgyztan. We Balkan people - greatfull for that! Best wishes!
Your description of this exotic Rakija is very tempting. Made from fruits eh? My kind of "refreshments". Too bad Balkans is a looooooong way from Southeast Asia 😁
It was flown out of Batajnica AFB near Belgrade. This Yak was flown in then Yugoslavia by romanian defector and was tested in Yugoslavia and then lended to US. After testing, Yak was returned to Romania. Yugoslavia also tested Romanian Mig 15 which landed in by mistake in 1953 and later returned to Romania
The story in the documentary was collected from the real protagonists of the story, and from what we know, in addition to what you can hear from their own recollections, it does not quite match the Wikipedia story, as it so often happens. We cannot share all we know, but suffice to say that it was a bit more adventurous than it seems
A single Yak-23 was acquired by US intelligence via Yugoslavia in November 1953. The aircraft was a Romanian Yak-23 flown by Mihail Diaconu who had defected with it. The aircraft arrived disassembled and was shipped to the U.S. Air Force Test and Evaluation Center at Wright Field near Dayton, Ohio.[7] It was reassembled and made operational for several test flights, during which time it was disguised with U.S. markings. Efforts were made to keep the aircraft's identity secret and it was flown only in the early morning. On one occasion it was passed on the runway by a formation of F-86 Sabres whose pilots inquired as to the plane's identity. A story was conceived that the aircraft was a Bell X-5, which had a similar layout. At the completion of design and flight evaluations the aircraft was again disassembled and shipped quietly back to Yugoslavia in its original paint scheme.
What you posted is the Wikipedia story, hence usually packed with inaccurate information. Some of the info in your comment is also mentioned in the video. The story is recalled, for what he could share, by one of the protagonists, and that also includes original footage of the operation
@@Dronescapes well , there were only 2 slavic countries in balkans , yugoslavia and bulgaria , as bulgaria has the black sea there is no way it would have come by train , and as yugoslavia was never with stalin, yeah i know we did play the double agent , most probably came from yugoslavia , moreover, bulgarians dont rly conceder them selfs slavic , they would not be interested in asking about your czech parents , i can tell you with certainty it came from yugoslavia
@@nikojnemavakvoWikipedia copy and paste isn't a good look... Especially since you only chose to post a small portion. And I serious doubt you were alive or have any kind of inside information to something that happened 80 years ago... Let alone were more than a child when Yugoslavia was still a country. Or have any insider info that "it certainly" came from Yugoslavia...
@@Dronescapeswhen Americans returned the jet carefully repacked, it should have been easy to see machining marks and scrapes on fasteners and hints of unusual time on the engine. Where am I going wrong here?
I'm sure someone else has said it, but because Captain Dye's reticence to identify the country that "lent" us the Yak 23 suggests that this documentary was made before this story's details were declassified, I'll confirm that here in the present day it has been revealed by our government that the country in question was indeed Tito's Yugoslavia.
It’s hard to imagine how a man of Cripps’ intelligence, education and experience could be so naive and such a damned fool on such a strategic issue as aeroengine technology.
@@cmillerg6306 yes I am sure that no one especially in the military at any time before NYPD Blue ever would have swore or even would have thought of using an acronym like FUBAR. Lighten up life is more fun when you learn to laugh, champ
All foreign aircraft tested by the US used a buzz number starting in FU from WW2 on (which got confusing when the F-86 Sabres were assigned the same block).
I think it would be safe to declassify the whole affair. Only one of the countries involved in the affair still exists and most likely everyone involved in the affair is long dead.
It depends on the continuing value of the assets. Dependable long-term spy assets are rare to come by, & if the US continues to run espionage operations based on a fundamental structure of the original spy setup from the 50's they would not be required by Congress to declassify the means, methods &/or people involved in an old operation like this. These boys (& possibly girls) managed to spirit a whole aircraft fresh from its factory into the US, assemble & fly it, & then get it back into a USSR logistics stream before any Soviet quartermaster knew it was missing. That is a masterstroke of material diversion & only possible because the offering Soviet Nation had intimate, possibly secret knowledge of another Soviet Nations' logistics & product propriety assurance methods. If some of those methods are still in use today then continued secrecy of sources & methods is still warranted. If they're still viable you can never know when the same gaps or the same ways may be needed to use again, so keep them viable. The Russians continue to depend on rail today for 100% of all their known, heavy logistics needs including their Strategic Rocket Forces.
Also, this could be a base of the CIA respecting the known wishes of a dead ally. When an official US intelligence Agency review committee (& all of them are official) reviews data for declassification, they are known to make efforts to consult with any third parties involved if there are still any. (Second-hand parties in intelligence operations were usually the targets of US operations so we tend not to ask second-hand parties for release permissions.) Sometimes third parties have to be asked for release permission in a blind capacity, in other words they don't know the existence(s) of other third parties. If Party C suspects Party D was involved but noone in Parties A, B or D tells them that Party D is cool with Party C giving permissions for release, Party C may play it safe & say no. And of course we have to consider that Party C as mentioned in my first response may be running their own, continuing intelligence operations such that the release of data from the US may reveal to Party D sources or methods of that ongoing op by Party C. Intelligence at those levels are the grandest of chess games, & the logic behind many moves seemingly make little sense until you're much later in the game.
The classified country where the plane originated from was Romania. The "communist Balkan country" that delivered Romanian Yak 23 to the US in 1953 was Yugoslavia.
obviously the reds gave us a crappy plane as a wild goose chase and for the russian forensics, security penetration, aircraft engineers... you get the idea.... to see how we covered our tracks
The Brits didn't think it might be a good idea to ask the US if they were ok with the transfer of western technology to the Soviets ? And how naive were they to think "obviously they will continue buying from us and never just copy our design" LoL
...then they went to china for a nice visit and befriended the nice Beijing bosses and said to themselves "surely these nice, friendly and peaceful chinese communist folks (unlike the scheming soviet thieves) would never ever think of copying our designs if we license to them our consumer products and build factories here using our capital. Maybe some of them may want a small bribe or two. We can afford that." and the next is history 🤣🤣🤣
My grandfather was rebuilding a mig 15 hed bought un the mid 90s. I had a fuselage, wings, other control surfaces and a shit ton of boxes. The jet engine suffered a bearing failure on the main shaft so im sourcing another engine fingers crossed. But i also found that to my surprise the gagillion year old wiring was a bit fucky wucky so i tore it all out and i found the universal automotive wiring kits with gauges from 12-22 for next to nothing, i also found the copper wire cut to length jumper wire kits with 8 gauge (i think pretty sure anyway) and less than a $100 i had plenty of wirin. Im skipping the aircrafts factory gauges in favor of a digital.dash like Holley offers for "race " only cars
@doc_sav really, what makes one 18 gauge wire different from another? Is there a different insulation, resistance etc... or are you just saying something that sounds good in your head but you actually have no idea what you're talking about? It's OK not knowing something, just don't make statements pulled straight from your ass
Cia had a secret airline in Laos during the Vietnam war called air america secret airline special forces response operations in Laos during the Vietnam war
50 years later all MiGs and other former SU hot rods were available for wholesale prices to anyone. Who was willing risk their savings and sometimes their health. Near south of Seattle Washington. Along Highway 5 sits both MiG 15 and 21 since 1992. Don’t know if they’re still there. Oregon air museum has MiG 15 with Spruce Goose.
That COUNTRY... HAD TO BE.. EITHER.... AL BANIA, ALBANIA, OR, YUGOSLAVIA...... I THINK 💬 ALBANIA.. IT WAS ALBANIA... THAT GAVE IT TO ITALY AND ITALY TO.. USA.. OR ALBANIA GAVE IT TO FRANCE
If the security was this tight around a Yak-23, imagine how tight the security was around the crashed Extraterrestrial Space crafts that were brought the Wright-Patterson AFB.
Well, at the time Russians had a solid inclination for copying. They copied, bolt by bolt, the B-29, the British turbojet, large parts of the Concorde (but clearly largely failed), and obviously the Space Shuttle (they obviously tried). They had an entire branch of the KGB just dedicated to stealing and copying technology. Besides gathering data, the US had little to copy from them. They certainly had the jet engine, which was given to them by the Brits years earlier (1941), becoming both G.E. and Pratt & Whitney's first turbojet, and also powering their first jet flight, and operational jet fighter, which flew during WW2 in Italy. Back in WW2 Americans were also training Chinese pilots, and helped them defend themselves against Imperial Japan, (Flying Tigers) ruclips.net/video/gaJrwwOkEjY/видео.html Times have changed!
How so? They didn't reverse engineer or copy the Yak-23: the point of the operation was to ascertain performance characteristics and other relevant data. The other programs involving acquired Soviet aircraft were of a similar nature: what the US learned that was useful for production from soviet aircraft was minimal but what they learned about performance and capabilities was priceless.
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39:00 - the "vodka type of drink" - it's a Rakija 100% guarantee - a type of home-brewed "brandy" or "moonshine" if you want, boiled from high on sugar fruits - grapes, plums, apricot, even cherry.. the alc. varies from 40% up to 70%.
We balkan people, don't go anywhere without it.
The % of alc. 40-49, depends on it's purpose:
- fastest & most efficient way, to "mess your skate's laces" - go with lower % of alc.
Very aromatic, goes in soft and beery - the perfect appetizer for this, is a salad of fresh cucumbers and tomatoes, seasoned with onions, olive oil, and Balkan white cheese. a.k.a - "Shopska" salad.
These rakijas are usually well aged, between 3 & 15 years. Kept hidden for special occasions, like weddings, anniversaries or foreigner's visitations - where we want to impress 'em.
- "Daily" used, is aged about 1-2 years, 51-59%, and it's purpose is chess, board, or card games that happen daily with friends: the point is - they don't drink all of your Rakija.
This is the "high-octane" - where every sip is a struggle, and they "lick" a cup of 150-200ml. all night.. And thus - not get too messed up, and walk away on foot. 2 preferably.
Not effective move on experienced players. They drink that & when messed up - ask for the "hidden one from the cashe".
- 65-70% - this is "Exorsism" class of alcohol, with questionable legality.
On the sea level - is used only, for medical purposes, external application.
For foreigners - a pure poison.
For ours - not for weak ones (kids under 9 y.o.).
The Highlander's coffee:
Only way to drink it - you must be on 4000m or above.
Thin air sobers you fast, as it evaporates through your skin quickly, when pressure is low.
On other point - usually, these substances are flavored with chilly pepper (yes - a litteral chilly pepper - dropped right in the bottle).
It's used instead of coffee - a sip of it "punches" so hard you rather open your eyes and wake up from the shock. Where the chilly taste starts working on your stomach & help dissolve the food quicker. Exactly what coffeine does, but healthier.
Credits for that discovery - Kirgyztan.
We Balkan people - greatfull for that! Best wishes!
Your description of this exotic Rakija is very tempting. Made from fruits eh? My kind of "refreshments". Too bad Balkans is a looooooong way from Southeast Asia 😁
I've always been fascinated with early jets so this documentary is a treat for a guy like me...Thank you so much 👍👍👍
Our pleasure!
Story is well known. Tito lended the plane to US for enough time and then got it back. So it was important not to let used chewing gum in the plane
You should check the incredible hoax of Tito's Space Program (sold to the U.S.)
tito je TIIITO😊
Or you won't get no spending cash, Yakety Yak... Don't talk back.
It was flown out of Batajnica AFB near Belgrade. This Yak was flown in then Yugoslavia by romanian defector and was tested in Yugoslavia and then lended to US. After testing, Yak was returned to Romania. Yugoslavia also tested Romanian Mig 15 which landed in by mistake in 1953 and later returned to Romania
The story in the documentary was collected from the real protagonists of the story, and from what we know, in addition to what you can hear from their own recollections, it does not quite match the Wikipedia story, as it so often happens.
We cannot share all we know, but suffice to say that it was a bit more adventurous than it seems
A single Yak-23 was acquired by US intelligence via Yugoslavia in November 1953. The aircraft was a Romanian Yak-23 flown by Mihail Diaconu who had defected with it. The aircraft arrived disassembled and was shipped to the U.S. Air Force Test and Evaluation Center at Wright Field near Dayton, Ohio.[7] It was reassembled and made operational for several test flights, during which time it was disguised with U.S. markings. Efforts were made to keep the aircraft's identity secret and it was flown only in the early morning. On one occasion it was passed on the runway by a formation of F-86 Sabres whose pilots inquired as to the plane's identity. A story was conceived that the aircraft was a Bell X-5, which had a similar layout. At the completion of design and flight evaluations the aircraft was again disassembled and shipped quietly back to Yugoslavia in its original paint scheme.
What you posted is the Wikipedia story, hence usually packed with inaccurate information.
Some of the info in your comment is also mentioned in the video.
The story is recalled, for what he could share, by one of the protagonists, and that also includes original footage of the operation
@@Dronescapes well , there were only 2 slavic countries in balkans , yugoslavia and bulgaria , as bulgaria has the black sea there is no way it would have come by train , and as yugoslavia was never with stalin, yeah i know we did play the double agent , most probably came from yugoslavia , moreover, bulgarians dont rly conceder them selfs slavic , they would not be interested in asking about your czech parents , i can tell you with certainty it came from yugoslavia
@@nikojnemavakvoWikipedia copy and paste isn't a good look... Especially since you only chose to post a small portion. And I serious doubt you were alive or have any kind of inside information to something that happened 80 years ago... Let alone were more than a child when Yugoslavia was still a country. Or have any insider info that "it certainly" came from Yugoslavia...
@@Dronescapes I don't like that story either, but no other country would dare to deliver soviet aircraft to the US at that time.
@@Dronescapeswhen Americans returned the jet carefully repacked, it should have been easy to see machining marks and scrapes on fasteners and hints of unusual time on the engine. Where am I going wrong here?
Got a USSR model kit of a YAK.23 if you like a 50 vintage kit that was made the same way for years this was it minamom detale an easy to buld😮
I'm sure someone else has said it, but because Captain Dye's reticence to identify the country that "lent" us the Yak 23 suggests that this documentary was made before this story's details were declassified, I'll confirm that here in the present day it has been revealed by our government that the country in question was indeed Tito's Yugoslavia.
It’s hard to imagine how a man of Cripps’ intelligence, education and experience could be so naive and such a damned fool on such a strategic issue as aeroengine technology.
Same soundtrack as "Hunt for Red October"! How appropriate!
I love how the tail number is FU-599 lol
That was before vulgarity was common in the US. Ppl back then would not have made any such connection.
@@cmillerg6306 yes I am sure that no one especially in the military at any time before NYPD Blue ever would have swore or even would have thought of using an acronym like FUBAR. Lighten up life is more fun when you learn to laugh, champ
All foreign aircraft tested by the US used a buzz number starting in FU from WW2 on (which got confusing when the F-86 Sabres were assigned the same block).
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23:54 "Operation Moola", Moola meaning, "I don't know" or "have no clue" in Korean. That was funny and blindsided me.🙂
I think it would be safe to declassify the whole affair. Only one of the countries involved in the affair still exists and most likely everyone involved in the affair is long dead.
Douchebag Putin seems liking accusing neighboring countries things done over 80 years ago. Maybe it’s better let it be.
It depends on the continuing value of the assets.
Dependable long-term spy assets are rare to come by, & if the US continues to run espionage operations based on a fundamental structure of the original spy setup from the 50's they would not be required by Congress to declassify the means, methods &/or people involved in an old operation like this.
These boys (& possibly girls) managed to spirit a whole aircraft fresh from its factory into the US, assemble & fly it, & then get it back into a USSR logistics stream before any Soviet quartermaster knew it was missing.
That is a masterstroke of material diversion & only possible because the offering Soviet Nation had intimate, possibly secret knowledge of another Soviet Nations' logistics & product propriety assurance methods. If some of those methods are still in use today then continued secrecy of sources & methods is still warranted.
If they're still viable you can never know when the same gaps or the same ways may be needed to use again, so keep them viable. The Russians continue to depend on rail today for 100% of all their known, heavy logistics needs including their Strategic Rocket Forces.
Also, this could be a base of the CIA respecting the known wishes of a dead ally.
When an official US intelligence Agency review committee (& all of them are official) reviews data for declassification, they are known to make efforts to consult with any third parties involved if there are still any.
(Second-hand parties in intelligence operations were usually the targets of US operations so we tend not to ask second-hand parties for release permissions.)
Sometimes third parties have to be asked for release permission in a blind capacity, in other words they don't know the existence(s) of other third parties. If Party C suspects Party D was involved but noone in Parties A, B or D tells them that Party D is cool with Party C giving permissions for release, Party C may play it safe & say no.
And of course we have to consider that Party C as mentioned in my first response may be running their own, continuing intelligence operations such that the release of data from the US may reveal to Party D sources or methods of that ongoing op by Party C.
Intelligence at those levels are the grandest of chess games, & the logic behind many moves seemingly make little sense until you're much later in the game.
@@CoffeeAndPaul Good points.
Huh? Bulgaria, Romania, and Albania don’t exist??
The classified country where the plane originated from was Romania. The "communist Balkan country" that delivered Romanian Yak 23 to the US in 1953 was Yugoslavia.
Awesome intrigue!
Excellent point Neil.
obviously the reds gave us a crappy plane as a wild goose chase and for the russian forensics, security penetration, aircraft engineers... you get the idea.... to see how we covered our tracks
The Brits didn't think it might be a good idea to ask the US if they were ok with the transfer of western technology to the Soviets ?
And how naive were they to think "obviously they will continue buying from us and never just copy our design" LoL
...then they went to china for a nice visit and befriended the nice Beijing bosses and said to themselves "surely these nice, friendly and peaceful chinese communist folks (unlike the scheming soviet thieves) would never ever think of copying our designs if we license to them our consumer products and build factories here using our capital. Maybe some of them may want a small bribe or two. We can afford that." and the next is history 🤣🤣🤣
That’s a great looking aircraft
That voice. Nice
My grandfather was rebuilding a mig 15 hed bought un the mid 90s. I had a fuselage, wings, other control surfaces and a shit ton of boxes. The jet engine suffered a bearing failure on the main shaft so im sourcing another engine fingers crossed. But i also found that to my surprise the gagillion year old wiring was a bit fucky wucky so i tore it all out and i found the universal automotive wiring kits with gauges from 12-22 for next to nothing, i also found the copper wire cut to length jumper wire kits with 8 gauge (i think pretty sure anyway) and less than a $100 i had plenty of wirin. Im skipping the aircrafts factory gauges in favor of a digital.dash like Holley offers for "race " only cars
Dude, that's awesome!
Does anything on the plane still use radio tubes outside of the radio?
Weird.....!!
Bro you can't use automotive grade wiring on an aircraft.
@doc_sav really, what makes one 18 gauge wire different from another? Is there a different insulation, resistance etc... or are you just saying something that sounds good in your head but you actually have no idea what you're talking about? It's OK not knowing something, just don't make statements pulled straight from your ass
@@doc_sav the Soviets succesfully did it with wiring much worse than used in automobile industry, so - why not?
Great history👨✈️I believe the F86 carried 50 caliber guns and not 50 MM?
This fact shows how ameicans were skilled in craft reliable jet aircrafts those times...
Slimovitz was the drink.yougoslavia was the country. It's quite well known as are the three men.
Cia had a secret airline in Laos during the Vietnam war called air america secret airline special forces response operations in Laos during the Vietnam war
Looked at the map… for sure Yougoslavia and Albania :)
50 years later all MiGs and other former SU hot rods were available for wholesale prices to anyone. Who was willing risk their savings and sometimes their health. Near south of Seattle Washington. Along Highway 5 sits both MiG 15 and 21 since 1992. Don’t know if they’re still there. Oregon air museum has MiG 15 with Spruce Goose.
I think Putin has asked for them back… he’s running out of hardware.
You'd think they would have noticed the American markings painted on it...
RoAF - Yak-23 short movie
SABRE has 6 .50Cal machine guns not 50mm.
50mm? Must be the super secret ground support Sabre gunship 🤣
Imagine if the Americans had managed to crash the Yak-23 while it was in their possession :D
Yikes! They shouldn’t have bothered.
So what? It was a common practice in the third world to re-sell weapons they got for free from one side to the other. Money does not smell.
I can bet. Was Romania. They well known of making deals like that
Extraordinaire vidéo. Donc le film avec Clint Eastwood ''Firefox'' est vrai ?👋🏻👋🏻🇫🇷🇫🇷🙏🏻🙏🏻
Moon, that spells Tom Collins.
Leave no trace...
We painted it...
Wtf?
Came here from r/WeirdWings
THAT COUNTRY, WAS, YUGOSLAVIA.....
That COUNTRY... HAD TO BE.. EITHER.... AL BANIA, ALBANIA, OR, YUGOSLAVIA...... I THINK 💬 ALBANIA.. IT WAS ALBANIA... THAT GAVE IT TO ITALY AND ITALY TO.. USA.. OR ALBANIA GAVE IT TO FRANCE
It was taken from Yugoslavia ..Everybody knows
If the security was this tight around a Yak-23, imagine how tight the security was around the crashed Extraterrestrial Space crafts that were brought the Wright-Patterson AFB.
Sending back with USA markings on it was a bit risky
It wasn’t sent back with U.S. markings
Bu kasetlerin Türkçesi yokmu messut ertegi
I added Turkish bubtitles
Yugoslavia
Seems so, Tito!
Ha, what fell in Roswell?
Haha once up on a time usa is the old china 😂😂
Haha I wish this made sense so I could laugh with you 😂😂
Well, at the time Russians had a solid inclination for copying. They copied, bolt by bolt, the B-29, the British turbojet, large parts of the Concorde (but clearly largely failed), and obviously the Space Shuttle (they obviously tried).
They had an entire branch of the KGB just dedicated to stealing and copying technology.
Besides gathering data, the US had little to copy from them. They certainly had the jet engine, which was given to them by the Brits years earlier (1941), becoming both G.E. and Pratt & Whitney's first turbojet, and also powering their first jet flight, and operational jet fighter, which flew during WW2 in Italy.
Back in WW2 Americans were also training Chinese pilots, and helped them defend themselves against Imperial Japan, (Flying Tigers)
ruclips.net/video/gaJrwwOkEjY/видео.html
Times have changed!
How so? They didn't reverse engineer or copy the Yak-23: the point of the operation was to ascertain performance characteristics and other relevant data. The other programs involving acquired Soviet aircraft were of a similar nature: what the US learned that was useful for production from soviet aircraft was minimal but what they learned about performance and capabilities was priceless.
sure thing kiddo, what did the US copy from an outdatedYak23?