Man AMAZING video. I have these case in particular, 9600k with GPU 7900GRE. Im thinking on build new PC with AM5. But this is the same conflict. 7500F or 7800x3d. I see many Benchmark and your is the best. Things like 165hz on monitor, its true. But i have 1 doubt. All games in benchmark are good GPU optimiced and the charge of work is 90% GPU. But I would have liked you to include it in this same video. Titles like world of warcraft, Escape From Tarkov or Dungeonborne. Not for anything in particular. But they are games that are not as well optimized graphically or mechanically and require a higher percentage load on the CPU than conventional AAA games. Another cause that no one reflects is the possibility of using 1440p in a title since your monitor is 1440p 165hz but they continue to show ultra graphic configurations, where many times the bottleneck reaches the GPU at 100 fps but they do not show the cause of that. configure the game in medium or low settings to obtain more FPS, which would act like playing at 1080 since the graphical load on the GPU is reduced and the load would be transferred to the processor. I think that in these 3 titles, for example, they are very popular games that many people play. And they have the specific nuance of requiring a lot of work from the CPU. And for these specific cases "I believe" because I have not seen anyone showing the results of these tests nor have I been able to verify. But I think that the 7800x3d has a great obvious advantage and is more profitable. Thanks for the video and since you have the hardware and the capacity, I invite you to do some tests with these causes to finish clarifying doubts in this regard, making a distinction between 1440p and different graphics loads on the GPU. Since that alters the load that the CPU receives. And with the cause of titles that have a large load on the CPU and thanks so much for you video
Thanks for the feedback. I have played a ton of wow in the past. I've had to ween myself off lately do to limited time, but i love it. I think the hardest part would be having a scene that you can repeat. Like if I just run around Stormwind with 50 players on the screen when I log in the next time there might be only 25 on the next CPU test. I might try to find a way to get repeatable results because I know there's a lot of people in your shoes that might have specific titles that demand much more CPU power.
I don't know if these benchmarks are actually indicative of gameplay though. Helldivers 2 - if you are playing at difficulty 7-9, an 8700k is going to STRUGGLE. Hell, even my 7600x drops into the 70's when things really get going. CP2077 (post 2.0) - Once again, you go to dogtown or a somewhere with more crowd density, you are not getting the frames displayed here. Not a chance.
For the 8700k I definitely agree. The only reason it held on so well is because its running 5.0ghz all core. But in the video I commented that mileage would really vary depending on game / scenario. I agree if you start loading up bots on HD2 on the old intel it will struggle. That why really the only thing I recommended for it was if you have a old slow card you'd be good to get a 6600XT. That's a good "I'm not wasting too much money on my old system" but I'm getting back to good 1080p performance. The 7500 / 7600 I think it still stands that You will need a pretty heavy duty video card to see a huge difference. The problem is its very hard to get a repeatable Hell divers max units on screen between runs to really test it that way. it opens up a lot of variation. Ultimately if you have the money to buy the GPU you want regardless of CPU then definitely get the 7800x3d its a rock star, but if you are sacrificing gpu budget for it, I think there's a lot of cases you'd be better off with the 7600. I just wanted to share my findings because I see people thinking they have to get a 7800x3d then they buy a rtx 3060 12gb. Also I see a trend where people are so overly focused on "Bottlenecks" That they are biting off on benchmarks that are purposefully forcing a bottleneck to test components as real world results.
yea man like 7600 and 7500f and basically same but just price difference and I always recommend 7600 to people cause it will work perfect with gpu without bottleneck tbh 7800x3d is only for people who have money I would get 7600 and buy better gpu Great Video man
I generally agree that the 7500F is powerful enough to extract the most out of almost any GPU in the market, but it doesn't mean that benchmarking in CPU bound scenarios is stupid or wrong. It may be misleading to people who don't know what they are looking at in a CPU benchmark. The unrealized differences in high resolution examples will eventually become relevant in the CPUs life cycle with more demanding games and could become immediately relevant if using upscaling and optimized settings for example.
I agree, you have to CPU bound the tests to see how truly different 2 models are. They are very valid tests. I just made this video because honestly I was curious where the break point was to really get a 7800x3d, and just spread more data points on combos.
My 8700k pc died after a power surge.. the problem is the motherboard and it will cost me 100 to fix it.. should i instead get a 7500f + mobo for 150 +60 for ddr5 memory? Is it worth the 100 extra? Im on a 1070ti but will probably upgrade soon
Yes it's worth it. The 7500f will feel much more responsive. With the 1070ti you night not see a huge fps difference, but if your components have died I would upgrade to am5 7500f or 7600x.
@JohnnyRage303 the motherboard died the rest are fine but a replacement is over 100 dollars and if i buy it i wont be able to upgrade for another year. So i sold the working parts for 300 usd but kept the storage. Ill add another 300 on top for 600 in total for a full system without storage. Ill probably buy used anyway so a 11900f system with a 3070 or a 7700x with the same card for around the 600 mark.. the used market here in kuwait is dirt cheap
I recently started to build a new pc, had an rx 6700xt ryzen 5 5600x, and am planning on building a new am5 platform with the rx 7800xt and ryzen 5 7500f =)
best competitive stable 240 pc ? i have a 5 7500f and a 6750xt got xmp on , sam and game mode but my 99% fps is 180 on cs2 comp settings and fortnight its horrible to play on i have to use dx 12 and it has so much imput delay (for 800 gbp how much i paid for my build its my first )
7500f set pbo to enable, not auto, set freq offset positive set value 200, set curve optimizer enabled, set all core. At this point you have to play with settings. I would set negative 30 and test for stability. If its not atable walk it back 25, 20 etc. You can tune per core but most 6 core cpu will take a all core tune.Most 7500f I have tested will do it. These are the settings that make the 7500f on par with the 7600 for gaming.
If the budget supports it, the 7800x3d is always a great product. I don't personally play tarkov or squad but I don't think that with the 4070S it would be a huge difference. The pricing since this video has gone crazy on 7800x3d. At this point the 7700x is $250 in the US it is a great middle ground.
@@JohnnyRage303 ive got the 7800x3d to replace my 7500f, and i have to say, the difference on the 1% lows specially was massive, mostly on tarkov, ive move from 58 fps to 98fps
When you use dlss the video card is rendering at a lower resolution and upscaling the image, so it will be capable of producing more fps. It's not an exact comparison but if your at 1440p and upscaling the numbers will be closer to the 1080p results.
For other lane we will have new x3D processors on 2025. And in these terms i dont know what to do. Buy 7500F or 7800x3d. If is more optimun buy 7500F and in the future buy other new x3D or if is best buy 7800x3d and forget the issue of processors for 3 or 4 years using the 7800x3d.
Depends on your GPU, if you need to buy now and can get away with it something like the 7500f $129 or 7600 $185 will get a system going and allow you to look forward to the 9800x3d. I am most excited about the rumor of loosening PBO options on the 9000 series x3d. who knows if it will be true. if you need a end all be all system now though the 7800x3d will last a while.
Nice one. Good to see a video on YT considering more affordable builds.
Thanks, I try to spread advice on affordable ways to get killer PC performance.
Great video, this is really well-structured and informative.
Glad it was helpful!
Man AMAZING video. I have these case in particular, 9600k with GPU 7900GRE. Im thinking on build new PC with AM5. But this is the same conflict. 7500F or 7800x3d. I see many Benchmark and your is the best. Things like 165hz on monitor, its true. But i have 1 doubt. All games in benchmark are good GPU optimiced and the charge of work is 90% GPU.
But I would have liked you to include it in this same video. Titles like world of warcraft, Escape From Tarkov or Dungeonborne. Not for anything in particular. But they are games that are not as well optimized graphically or mechanically and require a higher percentage load on the CPU than conventional AAA games.
Another cause that no one reflects is the possibility of using 1440p in a title since your monitor is 1440p 165hz but they continue to show ultra graphic configurations, where many times the bottleneck reaches the GPU at 100 fps but they do not show the cause of that. configure the game in medium or low settings to obtain more FPS, which would act like playing at 1080 since the graphical load on the GPU is reduced and the load would be transferred to the processor.
I think that in these 3 titles, for example, they are very popular games that many people play. And they have the specific nuance of requiring a lot of work from the CPU. And for these specific cases "I believe" because I have not seen anyone showing the results of these tests nor have I been able to verify. But I think that the 7800x3d has a great obvious advantage and is more profitable.
Thanks for the video and since you have the hardware and the capacity, I invite you to do some tests with these causes to finish clarifying doubts in this regard, making a distinction between 1440p and different graphics loads on the GPU. Since that alters the load that the CPU receives. And with the cause of titles that have a large load on the CPU and thanks so much for you video
Thanks for the feedback. I have played a ton of wow in the past. I've had to ween myself off lately do to limited time, but i love it. I think the hardest part would be having a scene that you can repeat. Like if I just run around Stormwind with 50 players on the screen when I log in the next time there might be only 25 on the next CPU test. I might try to find a way to get repeatable results because I know there's a lot of people in your shoes that might have specific titles that demand much more CPU power.
I don't know if these benchmarks are actually indicative of gameplay though.
Helldivers 2 - if you are playing at difficulty 7-9, an 8700k is going to STRUGGLE. Hell, even my 7600x drops into the 70's when things really get going.
CP2077 (post 2.0) - Once again, you go to dogtown or a somewhere with more crowd density, you are not getting the frames displayed here. Not a chance.
For the 8700k I definitely agree. The only reason it held on so well is because its running 5.0ghz all core. But in the video I commented that mileage would really vary depending on game / scenario. I agree if you start loading up bots on HD2 on the old intel it will struggle. That why really the only thing I recommended for it was if you have a old slow card you'd be good to get a 6600XT. That's a good "I'm not wasting too much money on my old system" but I'm getting back to good 1080p performance. The 7500 / 7600 I think it still stands that You will need a pretty heavy duty video card to see a huge difference. The problem is its very hard to get a repeatable Hell divers max units on screen between runs to really test it that way. it opens up a lot of variation.
Ultimately if you have the money to buy the GPU you want regardless of CPU then definitely get the 7800x3d its a rock star, but if you are sacrificing gpu budget for it, I think there's a lot of cases you'd be better off with the 7600. I just wanted to share my findings because I see people thinking they have to get a 7800x3d then they buy a rtx 3060 12gb. Also I see a trend where people are so overly focused on "Bottlenecks" That they are biting off on benchmarks that are purposefully forcing a bottleneck to test components as real world results.
yea man like 7600 and 7500f and basically same but just price difference and I always recommend 7600 to people cause it will work perfect with gpu without bottleneck tbh 7800x3d is only for people who have money I would get 7600 and buy better gpu
Great Video man
Thanks!
Great video.
Thanks!
I generally agree that the 7500F is powerful enough to extract the most out of almost any GPU in the market, but it doesn't mean that benchmarking in CPU bound scenarios is stupid or wrong. It may be misleading to people who don't know what they are looking at in a CPU benchmark. The unrealized differences in high resolution examples will eventually become relevant in the CPUs life cycle with more demanding games and could become immediately relevant if using upscaling and optimized settings for example.
I agree, you have to CPU bound the tests to see how truly different 2 models are. They are very valid tests. I just made this video because honestly I was curious where the break point was to really get a 7800x3d, and just spread more data points on combos.
My 8700k pc died after a power surge.. the problem is the motherboard and it will cost me 100 to fix it.. should i instead get a 7500f + mobo for 150 +60 for ddr5 memory? Is it worth the 100 extra? Im on a 1070ti but will probably upgrade soon
Yes it's worth it. The 7500f will feel much more responsive. With the 1070ti you night not see a huge fps difference, but if your components have died I would upgrade to am5 7500f or 7600x.
@JohnnyRage303 the motherboard died the rest are fine but a replacement is over 100 dollars and if i buy it i wont be able to upgrade for another year. So i sold the working parts for 300 usd but kept the storage. Ill add another 300 on top for 600 in total for a full system without storage. Ill probably buy used anyway so a 11900f system with a 3070 or a 7700x with the same card for around the 600 mark.. the used market here in kuwait is dirt cheap
I recently started to build a new pc, had an rx 6700xt ryzen 5 5600x, and am planning on building a new am5 platform with the rx 7800xt and ryzen 5 7500f =)
If you are in the US amazon has the 7600X for $170 today. That is a absolute killer deal and will make a great budget AM5 build.
ty man
best competitive stable 240 pc ? i have a 5 7500f and a 6750xt got xmp on , sam and game mode but my 99% fps is 180 on cs2 comp settings and fortnight its horrible to play on i have to use dx 12 and it has so much imput delay (for 800 gbp how much i paid for my build its my first )
7500f set pbo to enable, not auto, set freq offset positive set value 200, set curve optimizer enabled, set all core. At this point you have to play with settings. I would set negative 30 and test for stability. If its not atable walk it back 25, 20 etc. You can tune per core but most 6 core cpu will take a all core tune.Most 7500f I have tested will do it. These are the settings that make the 7500f on par with the 7600 for gaming.
What about cpu heavy games like Tarkov, Squad. Would worth go for 7800x3d with a 4070S over 7500f???
If the budget supports it, the 7800x3d is always a great product. I don't personally play tarkov or squad but I don't think that with the 4070S it would be a huge difference. The pricing since this video has gone crazy on 7800x3d. At this point the 7700x is $250 in the US it is a great middle ground.
@@JohnnyRage303 ive got the 7800x3d to replace my 7500f, and i have to say, the difference on the 1% lows specially was massive, mostly on tarkov, ive move from 58 fps to 98fps
if im using dlss on quality at 1440p, how the cpu difference applies?
When you use dlss the video card is rendering at a lower resolution and upscaling the image, so it will be capable of producing more fps. It's not an exact comparison but if your at 1440p and upscaling the numbers will be closer to the 1080p results.
For other lane we will have new x3D processors on 2025. And in these terms i dont know what to do. Buy 7500F or 7800x3d. If is more optimun buy 7500F and in the future buy other new x3D or if is best buy 7800x3d and forget the issue of processors for 3 or 4 years using the 7800x3d.
Depends on your GPU, if you need to buy now and can get away with it something like the 7500f $129 or 7600 $185 will get a system going and allow you to look forward to the 9800x3d. I am most excited about the rumor of loosening PBO options on the 9000 series x3d. who knows if it will be true. if you need a end all be all system now though the 7800x3d will last a while.