Thank you so much for this video. Being a Finale user who just learned about Finale ending, I've decided to make the move to Dorico. I've spent the last 2 days watching as many Dorico tutorials as possible, but wish I had found this first. It's so clear and easy to understand. Going to download the pdf and go through the whole guide. Moving on to Part 2 of this series!!
Thank you! This tutorial is so well conceived and delivered with clarity and gentleness. I’m learning so much and am in increasing awe of how well this program has been designed.
@Dorico Daniel, your comment sharing insight as to the *design* of the shortcut keys is absolute gold. As soon as you said "alt is the 'move'" key, that made so much sense. Please include that kind of design insight into the First Steps document. I know that it lists a lot of move shortcuts and that the reader might pick up on the fact that they all have the alt-key in common, but I think you need to hit the reader over the head with it! What you said was perfect "think of alt as the move key" is all it took for me.
Daniel, this “First Steps” tutorial is very helpful! The PDF says to use Ctrl/Cmd-= or Z to Zoom. Using Z just undid the new score and left the word “Tacet” in a box on the screen. But using Cmd-= to Zoom in and Cmd- - to Zoom back out works great. Whenever I get stuck in Dorico, an alternate method always saves me, so I’m really glad that you guys coded more than 1 way to complete a task. When Shift would only select the notes in the current bar, the Extend Selection on/off icon enabled me to select the 2 bars to use the ‘R’ command to Repeat them, as another example of being saved by an alternate method of performing a task in Dorico.
Really useful thank you! New to Dorico but old hand at Sibelius. Some of the ideas are similar and it's just getting used to the Dorico way, but so far I'm finding it really useful to use the forums and the Facebook page too.
Maybe it's me, but the 5 Guide and this video show adding the repeat hook in the properties from Write mode, but it looks like this has moved to Engrave mode, which isn't obvious if you are following along.
I'm with you until 47:52. Pressing \ [mac] and entering notes does not put the tenuto markings on the notes. I can add them later. I can enter the note and press \ to get it, but I don't get the results the guide or you show here. The tenuto mark does not light up blue like you show. Quit and restarted to see if that was an issue. Same thing when entering arpeggio in m.26. Notes enter, but no arp. Certainly can add later.
@@dorico US English, large Mmac keyboard with number pad. I can use the key commands to add the articulations laters, so the keys are working. Just won't allow to enter notes with articulations.
@@bllft4314 that's strange. It should just be the keys to the left of the Enter key on the main part of the keyboard, or maybe just above the Enter key (to the right of the [ ] brackets)
Hey there! Finale crossgrader here. Around min 31:20 in this video, you add the upstem "primary" voice after having written the downstem second voice. So as you say, you don't need to create a new one with shift + V but you can simply press V to switch between the two existing voices. Is there a way to be aware that there are two voices present in those bars? A visual marker of some sort? Thanks!
There is a visual marker when the caret is enabled and you press V as you can then see which voice you are using and if others are available. You can also turn on voice colours in VIew > Note and Rest Colors > Voice Colors
I'm also a Finale user and find this incredibly useful. Just what I needed as first time user of Dorico. I do think that Finale's communication has been very poor to date. Why on earth haven't they pointed us to this video and Part 2 and associated manual as a way to starting getting our heads round this new programme and whether it works for us?!
Version 5 does not behave like the video. Only 10 minutes in, added 73 bars as instructed and automatically got a 74-measure tacet, how do I break it up to get individual bars?
That happens if you're using the part layout instead of the score layout. Either switch back to the score or change the options in Library > Layout Options > Players > Bar Rests and Multi-bar Rests
Hello! Thank you for your previous replies. At 59:52, when I enter the text in the popover for the tuplet in bar 40 (3:2e) I somehow get two triplets of 8th notes rests, instead of a single one. Any ideas of why this is happening?
If you’re referring to a click track or metronome click, check out, “First Steps Part 2”, where he covers Playback. I haven’t got there yet, but your question might be answered there.
I'm watching this with some basic notation theory, but wondering why an arpeggio is written the way it is? Imo played as separate notes commonly plucked. Why isn't it written as separate notes. I'm learning so hope to find an answer and further my understanding.
An arpeggio is notate with a chord and the arpeggio sign. Dorico cleverly plays it back as you says: the notes sound one after the other in a fast succession. You can visualise this in the key editor (switching to Played durations view) and also personalise how Dorico plays it back, while maintaining the correct notation in the score.
Can you get in touch with support with what you are seeing please? Either raise a ticket in your Steinberg account, or upload a screenshot to our forum or facebook community group page.
Here's my issue; maybe it isn't an issue. When I create a new voice, quite often as I'm proceeding the description near the caret will be showing a voice number higher than the number I've created. For example, let's say I've created a 2nd voice with stems up, but when I want to go back to the original stems down voice it now says "Stem down Voice 3." I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong that results in this. However, is it really such a big deal? As long as the stem is pointed in the direction you want it to?
I think you might be pressing Shift-V and creating a new voice each time. Instead, once a voice has been created just press V to toggle through the available voices.
I'm testing Dorico SE, and so far I haven't been able to input a single note using my keyboard. I press numbers - note duration won't change, I press letters - no note input. All I can do is switch the caret on and off. Even pressing Space only starts playback, but does not shift the caret. I'm confused to say the least.
I seem to have figured it out: for some reason hotkey commands are displayed in my native language, and when I switch to English, hotkeys stop working. I've never encountered this behaviour before. In most programs, hotkeys work regardless of the keyboard layout, except for those few cases when certain keys have different values in another layout. But Dorico seems to stick to just one layout when it comes to hotkeys, so I have to always keep in mind which layout I'm in right now. Not great, for it adds yet another thing to devote my attention to when typing.
Are you saying that, Shift-N doesn’t turn on Note Input for you? Have you tried going into your OS Settings and changing the Language and/or Region the OS and computer are using, not just the keyboard layout? What happens if you select, ‘United States’ as your Region and use the associated “English” keyboard layout? Don’t the shortcuts work then? I’ve had similar issues when I change my keyboard layout to Spanish but leave my Region set to ‘United States’. Changing the Region to Spain or a Latin American country will change the behavior of how everything works. I hope that explanation helps.
Does the full version of dorico include everything I’d need for extended techniques notation? This is what I’d need to notate my scores , hope you can help 🎶
Probably depends on which extended techniques you need - cutaway staves don't have a specific feature as yet. Maybe post some examples on Dorico.com/forum ?
Hi, I watched 'First Steps live' and follows the every steps. (I use Dorico pro 4.0) It's very nice to understand the functions Dorico has. I'm struggling to respell the note section. The guide(in the 47th page respelling notes) says, [ Alt(I use PC) = ] key transforms A natural to Bbb(double flat). When I clicked [Alt =] key once, A natural chcnged A #. Clicked twice it didn't change anything. In my case, it didn't work. But, in bar 35, Db transforms C# by [ Alt - ] key. Would you please how to solve this problem? Thanks,
Are you using a US/UK keyboard layout? You can also edit the key command by going to Edit > Preferences and in the Key Commands section search for 'respell' and check/change the 'Respell using note name above' (or below) option.
Layout confusion.. Look up the pdf "MOLA Guidelines for Music Preparation" and see how they define the desired (aka required) size of the staff: -"The minimum legible staff size for scores is 4 mm (measured from the bottom to the top of each staff), and note heads should be large enough for the conductor to read with ease at the podium." -"Parts The most readable staff size for all instruments is 7.5 mm (measured from the bottom to the top of the staff). Although 7.0 mm may be readable for winds as they generally use their own stands, it is less so for strings because they share a stand. Anything smaller than 7.0 mm is unacceptable, and anything larger than 8.5 mm should be avoided." ..these sizes are defined by the size of the staff fro bottom to top.. which seems to be how Sibelius also does it.. ..yet Dorico does not measure this way, and Dorico requires some math to figure it out, because Dorico specifies staff size in terms of height of each space ("Space Size" or a pre-set "Rastral Size"), not height of entire staff, although Dorico tries to show a conversion right next to the Layout option "17.00 pt staff = 0.2" staff", note that, first, the Guideline is given in mm (so requires conversion to verify), second, Dorico's helpful conversion to inches does not have enough significant figures (only "0.2" not "0.24" like the 'Rastral size' shows), and third, the "Rastral size" options, even if converted to mm and if they had 3 significant figures, the Dorico presets don't match with the Guidelines easily, the 'Guideline recommendation' 7.0mm, 7.5mm, etc, falls between the Dorico 'Rastral' option presets.
Dorico's rastral sizes are based on the ones given in "Behind Bars", not the MOLA Guidelines. You can choose which unit of measurement is used for the comparison in Layout Options by changing your preferred unit of measurement in Preferences.
Dorico is an amazingly excellent bit of software (I have Pro 4)! Its documentation, and videos like this (including the presenters) are world-class, too. But you oughtn't to call this doc/video "First steps". I write docs for developers, so I understand the temptation to put too much into "Getting started "-type content. But this example is absurdly beyond the pale. Calling that doc "First steps" is so inappropriate, it's insane. It's like a "My first hike" that's in fact a climb up Everest. It takes discipline to call something "First steps" and then to stick to actually showing only the first steps.
While it might seem daunting, it does show you the first steps of lots of little things - note input, articulations, and the first steps of engraving too.
@Dorico I don't find it daunting, myself. The PDF and video are great, and necessary, and comfortable/easy, teaching tools. I just think it has the wrong name. Something more along the lines of "Deep feature walkthrough and case studies". A first steps doc would be 3 pages long at most; would use the simplest defaults/templates; would walk you through the simplest bit of music entry; would not duplicate stuff from the Op Manual such as the UI; would not show you lots of different ways of doing a thing; and so on. The Op Manual also shows you the first steps of lots of little things. But because it shows you so much more, as well, you're wise enough not to call the Op Manual "First steps".
There's too much exposition about all the possible ways you can do something at each stage of this beginner tutorial. It really slows down the learning. We need a basic intro without lectures about every option at every step.
It's a tricky balance between how to do something and understanding that people work in different ways. Maybe start with this short 'getting started' PDF instead: blog.dorico.com/2018/09/getting-started-with-note-input/ or this simple video guide: ruclips.net/video/m_ZkxhuSDwM/видео.html
First steps? No. This is an amazing tutorial for almost anything important in Dorico. BRAVO! AMZING TUTORIAL.
This is wonderful! I was hacking using individual video tutorials. This was a great exercise.
Glad it was useful!
Thank you so much for this video. Being a Finale user who just learned about Finale ending, I've decided to make the move to Dorico. I've spent the last 2 days watching as many Dorico tutorials as possible, but wish I had found this first. It's so clear and easy to understand. Going to download the pdf and go through the whole guide. Moving on to Part 2 of this series!!
Glad you found it useful!
Thank you! This tutorial is so well conceived and delivered with clarity and gentleness. I’m learning so much and am in increasing awe of how well this program has been designed.
excellent tutorial. I enjoyed the little, unedited mistakes, makes it all more natural and human. thank you
Thanks, I think ;)
Thank you Lilly, and thank you Daniel for presenting this very helpful guide to Dorico.
@Dorico Daniel, your comment sharing insight as to the *design* of the shortcut keys is absolute gold. As soon as you said "alt is the 'move'" key, that made so much sense. Please include that kind of design insight into the First Steps document. I know that it lists a lot of move shortcuts and that the reader might pick up on the fact that they all have the alt-key in common, but I think you need to hit the reader over the head with it! What you said was perfect "think of alt as the move key" is all it took for me.
Thanks, unnamed presenter! Excellent video!
No problem (from unnamed presenter)
Excellent tutorial. I currently use Sibelius, and am increasingly convinced to move to Dorico. Thanks very much.
Excellent video! I like the way you cross reference the verbal instructions to the instruction manual.
Excellent. Thank you so much. Super useful and clearly explained. Do more please!!!!!
Did you catch part 2? ruclips.net/video/r1srPmeQ46o/видео.html
Excellent tutorial. Thank you.
Great series! Thank you.
Fantastic tutorial! Thank you!
BRILLIANT! Thank you!
Daniel, this “First Steps” tutorial is very helpful! The PDF says to use Ctrl/Cmd-= or Z to Zoom. Using Z just undid the new score and left the word “Tacet” in a box on the screen. But using Cmd-= to Zoom in and Cmd- - to Zoom back out works great. Whenever I get stuck in Dorico, an alternate method always saves me, so I’m really glad that you guys coded more than 1 way to complete a task. When Shift would only select the notes in the current bar, the Extend Selection on/off icon enabled me to select the 2 bars to use the ‘R’ command to Repeat them, as another example of being saved by an alternate method of performing a task in Dorico.
Thank you, I've been meaning to learn Dorico, and this is exactly what I need
Thank you. - very helpful as I move from Finale
Brillant, thank you!
Thank you so much Daniel!! This video was so helpful :D
Amazing tutorial to get up to speed!
Really useful thank you!
New to Dorico but old hand at Sibelius. Some of the ideas are similar and it's just getting used to the Dorico way, but so far I'm finding it really useful to use the forums and the Facebook page too.
Maybe it's me, but the 5 Guide and this video show adding the repeat hook in the properties from Write mode, but it looks like this has moved to Engrave mode, which isn't obvious if you are following along.
It’s not just you…literally have spent the last 10 minutes thinking I had done something wrong. Thank you for answering my unasked question!
I'm with you until 47:52. Pressing \ [mac] and entering notes does not put the tenuto markings on the notes. I can add them later. I can enter the note and press \ to get it, but I don't get the results the guide or you show here. The tenuto mark does not light up blue like you show. Quit and restarted to see if that was an issue.
Same thing when entering arpeggio in m.26. Notes enter, but no arp. Certainly can add later.
which language/layout is your keyboard?
@@dorico US English, large Mmac keyboard with number pad. I can use the key commands to add the articulations laters, so the keys are working. Just won't allow to enter notes with articulations.
@@bllft4314 that's strange. It should just be the keys to the left of the Enter key on the main part of the keyboard, or maybe just above the Enter key (to the right of the [ ] brackets)
Hey there! Finale crossgrader here. Around min 31:20 in this video, you add the upstem "primary" voice after having written the downstem second voice. So as you say, you don't need to create a new one with shift + V but you can simply press V to switch between the two existing voices. Is there a way to be aware that there are two voices present in those bars? A visual marker of some sort? Thanks!
There is a visual marker when the caret is enabled and you press V as you can then see which voice you are using and if others are available. You can also turn on voice colours in VIew > Note and Rest Colors > Voice Colors
@@dorico thank you for the kind reply. So I can only see it if I'm in note input mode and on the specific bar.
@@SebSquonks yes. The number of available voices can also change for each instrument too.
I'm also a Finale user and find this incredibly useful. Just what I needed as first time user of Dorico. I do think that Finale's communication has been very poor to date. Why on earth haven't they pointed us to this video and Part 2 and associated manual as a way to starting getting our heads round this new programme and whether it works for us?!
I'm not sure - but I'll pass on those comments and see if we can improve the process of switching
Version 5 does not behave like the video. Only 10 minutes in, added 73 bars as instructed and automatically got a 74-measure tacet, how do I break it up to get individual bars?
That happens if you're using the part layout instead of the score layout. Either switch back to the score or change the options in Library > Layout Options > Players > Bar Rests and Multi-bar Rests
Hello! Thank you for your previous replies. At 59:52, when I enter the text in the popover for the tuplet in bar 40 (3:2e) I somehow get two triplets of 8th notes rests, instead of a single one. Any ideas of why this is happening?
Can you get in touch on either Dorico.com/forum or facebook.com/groups/dorico with a picture and details of the issue please?
Hello! How and where can I change the sound and the accents of the click ??
If you’re referring to a click track or metronome click, check out, “First Steps Part 2”, where he covers Playback. I haven’t got there yet, but your question might be answered there.
I'm watching this with some basic notation theory, but wondering why an arpeggio is written the way it is? Imo played as separate notes commonly plucked. Why isn't it written as separate notes. I'm learning so hope to find an answer and further my understanding.
An arpeggio is notate with a chord and the arpeggio sign. Dorico cleverly plays it back as you says: the notes sound one after the other in a fast succession. You can visualise this in the key editor (switching to Played durations view) and also personalise how Dorico plays it back, while maintaining the correct notation in the score.
Like if you're here in 2024 after Finale's demise.
At 44.14 you show the panel for entering dynamics. My Dorico only shows the text in the panels, not the hairpins or other symbols. What do I do?
Can you get in touch with support with what you are seeing please? Either raise a ticket in your Steinberg account, or upload a screenshot to our forum or facebook community group page.
Here's my issue; maybe it isn't an issue. When I create a new voice, quite often as I'm proceeding the description near the caret will be showing a voice number higher than the number I've created. For example, let's say I've created a 2nd voice with stems up, but when I want to go back to the original stems down voice it now says "Stem down Voice 3." I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong that results in this. However, is it really such a big deal? As long as the stem is pointed in the direction you want it to?
I think you might be pressing Shift-V and creating a new voice each time. Instead, once a voice has been created just press V to toggle through the available voices.
@@dorico Ah. That's it! Thank you
I'm testing Dorico SE, and so far I haven't been able to input a single note using my keyboard. I press numbers - note duration won't change, I press letters - no note input. All I can do is switch the caret on and off. Even pressing Space only starts playback, but does not shift the caret. I'm confused to say the least.
I seem to have figured it out: for some reason hotkey commands are displayed in my native language, and when I switch to English, hotkeys stop working. I've never encountered this behaviour before. In most programs, hotkeys work regardless of the keyboard layout, except for those few cases when certain keys have different values in another layout. But Dorico seems to stick to just one layout when it comes to hotkeys, so I have to always keep in mind which layout I'm in right now. Not great, for it adds yet another thing to devote my attention to when typing.
Are you saying that, Shift-N doesn’t turn on Note Input for you? Have you tried going into your OS Settings and changing the Language and/or Region the OS and computer are using, not just the keyboard layout? What happens if you select, ‘United States’ as your Region and use the associated “English” keyboard layout? Don’t the shortcuts work then? I’ve had similar issues when I change my keyboard layout to Spanish but leave my Region set to ‘United States’. Changing the Region to Spain or a Latin American country will change the behavior of how everything works. I hope that explanation helps.
How many voices are possible in each staff?
There's no limit to how many voices you can have in each staff in Dorico.
Does the full version of dorico include everything I’d need for extended techniques notation? This is what I’d need to notate my scores , hope you can help 🎶
Probably depends on which extended techniques you need - cutaway staves don't have a specific feature as yet. Maybe post some examples on Dorico.com/forum ?
Hi, I watched 'First Steps live' and follows the every steps. (I use Dorico pro 4.0)
It's very nice to understand the functions Dorico has.
I'm struggling to respell the note section.
The guide(in the 47th page respelling notes) says, [ Alt(I use PC) = ] key transforms A natural to Bbb(double flat).
When I clicked [Alt =] key once, A natural chcnged A #. Clicked twice it didn't change anything.
In my case, it didn't work.
But, in bar 35, Db transforms C# by [ Alt - ] key.
Would you please how to solve this problem?
Thanks,
Are you using a US/UK keyboard layout? You can also edit the key command by going to Edit > Preferences and in the Key Commands section search for 'respell' and check/change the 'Respell using note name above' (or below) option.
Layout confusion.. Look up the pdf "MOLA Guidelines for Music Preparation" and see how they define the desired (aka required) size of the staff:
-"The minimum legible staff size for scores is 4 mm (measured from the bottom to the top of each staff), and note heads should be large enough for the conductor to read with ease at the podium."
-"Parts The most readable staff size for all instruments is 7.5 mm (measured from the bottom to the top of the staff). Although 7.0 mm may be readable for winds as they generally use their own stands, it is less so for strings because they share a stand. Anything smaller than 7.0 mm is unacceptable, and anything larger than 8.5 mm should be avoided."
..these sizes are defined by the size of the staff fro bottom to top.. which seems to be how Sibelius also does it..
..yet Dorico does not measure this way, and Dorico requires some math to figure it out, because Dorico specifies staff size in terms of height of each space ("Space Size" or a pre-set "Rastral Size"), not height of entire staff, although Dorico tries to show a conversion right next to the Layout option "17.00 pt staff = 0.2" staff", note that, first, the Guideline is given in mm (so requires conversion to verify), second, Dorico's helpful conversion to inches does not have enough significant figures (only "0.2" not "0.24" like the 'Rastral size' shows), and third, the "Rastral size" options, even if converted to mm and if they had 3 significant figures, the Dorico presets don't match with the Guidelines easily, the 'Guideline recommendation' 7.0mm, 7.5mm, etc, falls between the Dorico 'Rastral' option presets.
Dorico's rastral sizes are based on the ones given in "Behind Bars", not the MOLA Guidelines. You can choose which unit of measurement is used for the comparison in Layout Options by changing your preferred unit of measurement in Preferences.
Dorico is an amazingly excellent bit of software (I have Pro 4)! Its documentation, and videos like this (including the presenters) are world-class, too. But you oughtn't to call this doc/video "First steps". I write docs for developers, so I understand the temptation to put too much into "Getting started "-type content. But this example is absurdly beyond the pale. Calling that doc "First steps" is so inappropriate, it's insane. It's like a "My first hike" that's in fact a climb up Everest. It takes discipline to call something "First steps" and then to stick to actually showing only the first steps.
While it might seem daunting, it does show you the first steps of lots of little things - note input, articulations, and the first steps of engraving too.
@Dorico I don't find it daunting, myself. The PDF and video are great, and necessary, and comfortable/easy, teaching tools. I just think it has the wrong name.
Something more along the lines of "Deep feature walkthrough and case studies". A first steps doc would be 3 pages long at most; would use the simplest defaults/templates; would walk you through the simplest bit of music entry; would not duplicate stuff from the Op Manual such as the UI; would not show you lots of different ways of doing a thing; and so on.
The Op Manual also shows you the first steps of lots of little things. But because it shows you so much more, as well, you're wise enough not to call the Op Manual "First steps".
There's too much exposition about all the possible ways you can do something at each stage of this beginner tutorial. It really slows down the learning. We need a basic intro without lectures about every option at every step.
It's a tricky balance between how to do something and understanding that people work in different ways. Maybe start with this short 'getting started' PDF instead: blog.dorico.com/2018/09/getting-started-with-note-input/ or this simple video guide: ruclips.net/video/m_ZkxhuSDwM/видео.html