It's Finally Here! Arcimoto's Fun Utility Vehicle - Exclusive CEO Interview
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- On today's episode of Now You Know, Zac talks to Mark Frohnmayer, CEO & Founder of Arcimoto!
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I am one of the 4,000 that were willing to put $100 deposit for reservation, but I live in TX. My main challenges before I can finalize and take delivery now that they are gearing up to start shipping these to retail consumers.
a) Can I drive one of these in TX with a regular Driver License or will I need a Motorcycle license?
b) No Federal Tax Credit for any EV classified as Motorcycle since end of 2016. Unlikely to resume under current administration.
c) No State Tax Credit or Incentives in TX for any EV.
Currently, the Arcimoto seems best suited for consumers in California, Massachusetts, Maryland, Arizona, and Illinois which offer State Tax Credits or Incentives. I believe most of these are also States where you don't need a Motorcycle license to operate 3-wheel Motorcycles.
I won't ever ask for my $100 deposit back, but I will wait until I can drive (either Motorcycle license not required or I acquire one of those) in TX. Meanwhile if the Tax Credit / Incentive options become available or other improvements take place on the cars, that will make the longer wait more worthwhile.
Elio Motors did a lot of work nationally and state-by-state on creating laws recognizing the differences between 3-wheel vehicles and 2-wheel motor cycles. The result is the autocycle classification. 28 states with laws recognizing autocycles do not require operators and occupants of the autocycle to wear helmets. Unfortunately Texas' definition of an auto cycle seems to require a steering wheel which leaves the Archimoto a motorcycle and drivers to have Texas motorcycle driver's license as well as having to follow Texas motorcycle helmet laws.
@@thomasmcfarland5019 Such an informative response. Much appreciated.
You put $100 down. What is the expected retail starting price?
I am wondering why you would be resistant to getting a Motorcycle Endorsement on your Drivers License? Since the Arcimoto is classified as a Motorcycle, you should be able to get the Endorsement using the Arcimoto. Sure, there might be a little bit of a hassle getting the Arcimoto to the DL Bureau, but, worst case, you could rent a trailer (and truck if needed) to haul the Arcimoto for your Motorcycle test. Also, I know here in FL a lot of motorcycle dealers offer classes and assistance to get the Motorcycle Endorsement. While getting the MC Endorsement might be a bit of a pain, it is not overly burdensome and should not prevent you from the enjoyment of owning an Arcimoto.
I live in Eugene and use an ARCIMOTO key fob. Cool people work there. "We" all are anxious for the production RAMP UP (I'm in line too - don't worry, I'm a late adopter). So exciting.
Thank you for sharing...
As a share holder, I must say...YAYYY!!! Very exciting and thanks for sharing this.
What happens when an f-150 hits it on the rode? An actual question not being a b**ch. Is it not kinda dangerous
@@silouis5355 Rent one and find out for yourself then report back. I'm sure it's no more dangerous than any other vehicle in it's class.
Sì Louis the same can be said about the can-am spyder and any motorcycle
I believe in Arcimoto 100%. This company has great future.
I totally get it. their is a huge disconnect. however if the price doesn't match then it just doesn't make sense. Considering a new car can cost 15+k and do both jobs. If this is priced around the amount you can buy a new car for, people will get a multifunctional car every time for convenience.
I think the price is somewhere around $13k to start. That will likely drop significantly with larger volumes and cheaper batteries in a few years time.
I bet the used market for this will be awesome tho
I just priced what I could find to be the cheapest 2019 brand new car at 16k. A Toyota Yaris. If its really 22k They would have to get well under 9k for me to consider this over a yaris lol. only because I'm not rich so I don't buy recreational vehicles. I tend to like multiuse things. But I agree for the used car market It would be ultra-affordable. just like some of the older electric cars on the used market now is well under 10k. only issue with those they still are kind of like recreation cars because of range. I cant wait till they get this battery energy density thing solved because the majority of people dont have the time and patience for charging with long trips. Time is definitely money. But the EV powertrain is really where the futures at regardless of whether batteries, hydrogen or something else is the energy source.
@@Lilmiket1000 Range is more of an imagined than a real issue for most people. If your daily use is under 100 miles, and you can charge at home, you'll never have a problem with range. For road trips, or hauling extra cargo, there are rentals. Most people buy overcapacity so they are always covered for any occasion, but is this necessary?
My issue with EVs is that I can't charge at home. I could charge at work, though, and that might be enough.
It would be interesting to see how a vehicle like this would do in a society that is already set up with vehicles of similar idea like rickshaw's and India and highly populated urban areas that are now moving to electric mobility.
Hawaiian islands would be an ideal rental market for destination transportation.
I totally agree! 💯
I’d love to get one but is it highway legal? Otherwise it is of limited use in Hawaii.
@@greghelton4668 is 75mph highway legal there ?
NWforager no. 55 max.
Charlie Fox it’s not a speed issue. Hawaii also has restrictions on how vehicles are built. For example carts are not allowed on the freeways even if they can reach 55 mph. But I think this vehicle will be treated more like a motorcycle so it will be allowed on highways.
Love to see these for rent over on the Hawaiian islands. Rather than the Polaris Slingshot.
Gregg Franklin they need a larger range
No wonder I saw my first Arcimoto on the street in SF the other day. I will be renting one to check it out for sure!
In Europe, we already have an EV like that made by Renault called Tweezy. There is also an upcoming three wheeled EV by Seat with similar specs but this is a closed vehicle (Tweezy is only half closed) with heating.
Renault Twizy - looks similar but with 4 wheels and it has a lot of enthusiasts.
I just bought some shares. Thanks for the tip.
This guy talks real smooth about absolute silliness. No protection from the elements, no heating or AC, no protection of your personal belongings, on and on.
The Arcimoto has: heated seats, optional doors, and a trunk on the back for your personal belongings.
This feels perfect three wheeled vehicle while having sweet combination of 70 to 130 miles range and 80 miles of top speed !
Perfect. My work commute is 7 miles per day.
Is it road legal in UK?
@@sunblindman the uk would be a better market for the fun than the usa, streets are smaller, lower speeds and public transport is a bigger part of commuting
im a proud investor in arcimoto. one day im buying one
According to the video they'll only cost $ 11,900. I can afford that as a low payed factory worker. If you're an investor you'll have no problem buying one. But......................you'll never be able to. Because they'll never make it to market in large numbers. It's too good to be true.
@@delhoghe the $11,000 price tag is a bit of a gimmick because that's where they hope to be someday after they can get manufacturing costs down but as of right now they are $19,900 which is not cheap and comparable to a new Honda Civic.
Funny that this should be developed in the USA because I believe it would do astonishingly well in Europe and Asia, rather than the USA.
Rambler Andy Call me crazy but Americans won't be into this kind of thing right off the bat, so I think it'll easily be more popular in Europe and Asia
@@ReDiiKuLuS Well I'm sure Arcimoto will sell everyone they make, but yes, I think it would do better in Europe and Asia if production ever goes international.
There's no need to write of America. The more of these that are on the street, the more people will see them, and the more interest it will drive. The rental model will make it easy for people to try it out, and then they'll know they can actually buy one. Then they'll see the prices, and it won't take a lot of math wrangling to figure out how affordable it is. You'd be surprised how important the inclusion of a locking trunk is on the Evergreen model release. (I think it's Evergreen... so many code names!)
that is right ,in us big is better.
@@ramblerandy2397 in europe we have better ,is called Twizy
Convince Disney to make a network of roads for these at Disneyworld and sales will be insane.
Picking up a kid at school...can’t beat it for cool factor!
i wanna pick up my sister from school in this
Perfect! An FUV to fight against FUD.
This has a lot of potential in hailing commuters in the Philippines! Hope it reaches ASEAN markets.
absolutely, it looks simmilar to a tuktuk but faster
Awesome story guys! This is what we need more of...
Saw one in traffic today.
Excellent design and excellent acceleration.
This company is really going places.
Buy stock now.
As someone who has to bring a wheelchair (folding electric) the deliverator would be perfect
Puerto Rico look forward to seeing you here
Where I live in Canada it goes by where the 2 wheels are side by side.If its in the front,it's a car. If the 2 side by side wheels are in the back it's a motorcycle trike.
love to see these in the uk, they look perfect
They look brilliant! I can imagine they would do well in the UK assuming they fit within our daft transport legislation.
Does is come with an umbrella then?
$11,900 is a lot but for the first run that's not that bad. Once they get it to $5k or below that's when it would be compelling for short commutes or delivery drivers, etc.
@DrgnFlys Yeah that's ridiculous, need a 75-80% price cut then after they get economies of scale
Looks like fun for a short commute or errands
@@markplott4820 At 25 mph. We have different definitions of fun.
-- 3 Wheel integrated control drive is the next level for this EVehicle. Hub motors inside each rim. This will increase handling , safety and efficiency tremendously.
I like this. This is the future of electric motorcycles. The roof overcomes the problem of visibility that electric motorcycles have. And the open air/doorless feature of it provides the wind in the hair and on the skin feel that many motorcyclists love.
I cannot wait to rent one in Denver. Denver is a perfect area for it because it a very progressive city. It was the first to decriminalize magic mushrooms and one of the first areas outside of California to legalize marijuana after all.
I would not want to own one because I like the idea of each person only owning one car, but am open to frequently renting many different cars over my lifetime.
In the UK 3 wheeled vehicles can be driven on both car and motorcycle licenses. I can't wait to buy one here someday, hopefully sooner rather than later.
Does it have door options to keep rain and snow out, etc..?
From the video, there are soft and hard shell options being developed. Nothing about availability.
7:27 Watch here for answers to you question...
They showed soft and hard doors. I was wondering about cold climate driving myself.
All they showed was computer graphics, nothing actually made
so cool to see our home town at 3:06
I like the interviews y'all do- thanks! And I wish Arcimodo much luck! But they are only ever going to be a niche product, for campuses, tourist and destination areas, golf courses maybe... The list is long for would-be 3-wheeled vehicles that have tried to make it in this space and failed (start with Aptera and make your way through the alphabet). Because it is still a motorcycle- and because of that, it is missing a lot things you want in a daily driver: AC. Airbags. Forward Collision warning and lane centering. Autonomous driving. Room for more than 2 small bags of groceries. 5-star collision test ratings. Comfort. The ability to hear the person you are talking to, whether in the back seat with your phone.
People buy 4-5 seat cars not to be wasteful, but because their car has to fulfill many functions, from getting to work, to having room for your coworkers for lunch breaks. You want room for your camping gear one weekend, and room for your new TV the next. This is why SUVs and CUVs (really, just rebadged, taller hatchbacks) are growing in popularity.
And the Arcimodo won't replace many motorcycles, as it can't duplicate the driving experience of a motorcycle (leaning into a curve is one of the fun things about motorcycles, along with having your date having to wrap her arms around you to stay on- can't duplicate that on an Arcimodo;-).
There isn't a technical reason not to have features lie forward collision warning, wouldn't that just be sensors in the right places? As for hearing the person behind you, I got to test drive one of early models about 2 years ago and was surprised how well you can hear the other person (tried it both, as a driver and passenger).
I'm on the waiting list, but I don't see this as a replacement vehicle, we have one electric car for the whole family, this would be in addition to it.
most of the features you list are features I would NOT want in a daily driver.
Again, I wish nothing but success for Arcimoto! But my concern is that the CEO views this as a replacement for everyone's daily driver. If the success of his company depends on that, he is in trouble, and is grossly over-estimating his market size. Most drivers cannot afford multiple vehicles, so most are going to buy that 4-seat car/SUV for the versitility and safety it provides. Many others have tried to crack the three-wheeled market for the last two decades. None have succeded.
Really like these. I could see these blowing
Up in popularity.
This may be nice in sunny climates but the lack of doors and windows would make it impractical for most people while cooler climates you will definately need a heater. Range is also a big thing if you are doing deliveries. I do pizza deliveries and I am going through a tank of diesel on a small 1.4 litre car every 3 weeks even though I am only working about 15 hours per week.
You can get doors and windows
For a lot of markets you're going to need to enclose it and have A/C or heat
Doors will definitely be an option as indicated in their marketing and videos. Even without A/C or heat, this expands the operating temperature range much wider than a motorcycle or scooter. Not to mention the stability 3 wheels offers over a 2 wheel cycle in inclement weather.
I live in Northern Utah and I'm a reservation holder. I have no worries I'll be able to drive this thing most anytime of year, with some doors.
Heated seats and grips are two features on some models. But I agree that these are primarily for warmer climates.
@@JustWasted3HoursHere I'm not as worried about using it in cold climates, you have coats for that, the problem is using it hot climates where you won't arrive to work sweating through all your clothes. Try driving this thing to your office job in Houston, Phoenix, Atlanta...
@@markplott4820 You mean temperate climates, not warm. Only use this thing in places between 30-80 degrees Fahrenheit. Must be great to live somewhere with those kinds of temperatures.
What a great little run about. These would be perfect in Mediterranean holiday destinations which are currently full of motor scooters.
Hey Guys, Love that you're promoting Acrimoto. How bout a little love for the Sparrow EV which has been around for a while and is a great design.
Brilliant. A solution clear and simple. Well done
That’s really cool! Coming from a 51 year old...😄👍🏻👍🏻
I am very excited as well for the Arcimoto electric vehicles. I agree that most trips (nearly all) are solo person trips making our current vehicles clearly inefficient. As far as distance goes, most of our trips here are well under 100 miles round trip. I agree that having doors is a must for driving in the rain. I am fine with just wearing a sweater (or a coat and a scarf) during the winter, but I don't really want to get soaking wet. Hopefully we'll be able to see the doors soon. I am very much looking forward to seeing these vehicles on the market soon here in Oregon USA.
Very suitable for the person with disabiliy...
The North American Tuk Tuk rated for highway! Passenger capacity is too low, make 6-person version!
I LOVE IT
I would love to have one up here in rural Nebraska, it is the ideal(add light doors and it is all weather)....Also add these to airport rental facilities, hotels around big cities..
I’m picturing packing my electric scooter in this to go to meets then riding that all over only to ride back home and zero fuel consumption the whole day long
Ten Questions:
1. What is the profit margin going to be five to ten years from now?
2. How much will a unit cost five to ten years from now?
3. Are they going to vertically integrate manufacturing?
4. If demand is good, how many units can the existing factory produce?
5. Do they have any technology advantage or durable competitive advantage (moat against competition)?
I WANT ONE! NOW! Tariffs are blocking the USA from getting EV’s for under 10k which would be a total game changer!
If I get one of these for my New York travels I'll have to get the hard shell for it because of the weather and to park it without someone wanting to get in it and check it out while I'm not there.
Beautiful design and build. Europe here...hope I can afford it!
I would like to have them for austin SXSW. Maybe get a few over here for next big event. I could see these buzzing around downtown where I no longer go as it is gridlock. One thing would be good ventilation or a mini AC that moderates the heat around here. I could see that with my Model Y. Great video and will buy a few shares to support it.
Have they tested them in colder regions yet? I would love to have a FUV and be able to use it in the winter where in my region it gets to -30 C. Most electric vehicles lose about 60% of their charge(Tesla Model 3) in weather like that and it would be awesome for Arcimoto to be a trail blazer in that category as well.
Would be great to see you put an assembly line here in Moab.
I down in Australia and with our weather here I see this as being a really awesome vehicle that would be embraced by the Australian public. I am not far from the Gold Coast up in Queensland and they would sell like hotcakes there , the Coast is about 30km-50km top to bottom so the ability to commute to and from work there is achievable plus with our sun a good quality solar panel incorporated on the turret/roof could give you some extra kilometres plus I see there would be room behind that rear seat to incorporate a tiny sine wave inverter to also boost the vehicle even if it was a seperate lithium battery that you switched to if you came to the end of your range on the main battery. here in Australia where we do have long distances between cities some form of Hybrid FUV would be awesome.
Definitely needs some kind of rain protection. It may be classified as a motorcycle but it will be seen as and compared to a small car more than a motorcycle
This is like a faster, cooler version of the Renault Twizzy for the US. I’m intrigued. Any info on charging speed? J1772 I assume? Surprised there was no mention of that.
We hope we can have this in the Philippines. This is very practical.
Washington stock holder, and hopefully owner in the future. Keep up the great work.
Interesting that these extremely light vehicles are only a little more energy efficient than a Tesla in city driving and probably less efficient on the highway. This highlights for me what an incredible job Tesla has done. These 3-wheel electric motorcycles may do well in some niche markets, but electric cars still seem like the game changing product to me.
Jim Roth I believe it' has to do with battery quantity on board, use too many and it becomes even more inefficient due to battery weight.
Awesome, can't wait to see more of these on the streets! It seems still a little big and heavy for human scale personal transport but will be perfect for hauling cargo or people with disabilities. Keep it up!
Really nice idea this would be Great in the Caribbean Islands too, where the roads are a little more winding and full of Hills at times and streets are small. You can Zip in and out in no time to the beaches, restaurants, grocery stores etc.
---------- It Would be nice if you can Have the option to Upgrade the Seating from Two to Four passengers. Like if you bought a two seater and you had a kid or two kids. Now the family can still have use of the vehicle instead of going to buy another vehicle to accomodate the whole family instead.
---- Another thing,, I would really like to see a Person with a dissability use one of these, to see how easy to get in and out and maneuver the vehicle. I guess am thinking of the fact if it will be comfortable for them enough to be able to drive it. Just becasue the way you sit in a Car and the way you sit in this is a little different like riding a bike (of course ) an some People tend to have back issues or leg issues. It may not be a big point for some but for a lot of People it is. just saying.
---------- CAN YOU TEST DRIVE THE FUV ? -------- guess that would help with the dissability part. Do you have Any Options to Modify it if need be ?
----- Am not being Ignront just looking into buying one in the future. so am new to this. thanks.
I'm sure someone has experienced crashing those front wheels into something. The cabin gives the illusion of a slim vehicle, but adding in the width of those wheels is a different story.
Just came back from Key West, Fl You can rent them for a fun day in the Florida Keys ( Sept-Oct 2020)
I'm living the dream!
Amazing work but how much road price in India
Isn't it better to use steering insted of handle bar but with less rotation.
How can drive it in winter?
it' s not suitable for families that are more than two people.
Your work is great. Thanks a lot.
A rotatable more radiused bucket seat you can swivel into, could add side balance comfort and protection. Just a thought. looks fun
Love it! Is it Available in any other countries?
These would be great rentals in Moab, Ut.
Good for days without rain, snow, sandstorms or heat.
Looks really cool, and I like their approach to market.
Would like to see what it could do in an off road configuration.
I don't think a 3 wheeler would make a very good "off Roader", I think the Arcimoto could handle some rough roads, but a 3 wheeler wouldn't make a very good "true"ff roader.
@@bbcooter388 you're probably right, but I still want to see it tried.
We are also surrounded by National Parks. These would be great for park workers and rangers to get around.
Really nice! I'm sure it'll be a hit as this is pretty much what I would design to maximize performance.
The main reason for its efficiency is its small cross sectional area and lower drag.
The most efficient shape would be something that looked like a tuna or shark.
A fully enclosed and stretched version with 4 inline seats would get awesome economy for a family!
Niagara Falls Canada would be a great rental spot to tour wineries boutique shops etc. Do you have any thoughts about snow compatibility for northern states and southern canadian provinces?
Good for you guys. One of these would fit the niche where I live. 12.5 miles each way with a few shopping stops sometimes. Being I can take it on the highway is even better. I certainly keep my eye out on these. I'm certainly interested in testing one.
They need a larger range for larger sales. First responder needs to have a dependable rig. So miles of range speaks to that.
When are these coming to NY and do I need to wear a helmet and get a motorcycle license?
I would love to see these in a car-sharing service like Car2Go or Zipcar. Charging would be the main barrier, but I have read about mobile charging solutions for electric cars. That would work even better with the FUV because of the smaller battery, which I presume translates to quicker charging. It depends on the charger they have on this vehicle, which they don't really talk about.
Full enclosure option info was something i was looking for, but just saw it on this video.
Why is it that all of these designs lack doors!?!!? I mean I can understand if you're not worried about the cold but rain is still a thing! Not to mention part of the benefit of a traditional car is that you can lock it and your belongs up. I'd never find a use for a vehicle like that other than a joy ride on a nice day but even then I might as well take a bicycle.
Just had a vacation in Catalina Island last year, these would be amazing there
Ironic that it's made in Eugene, a rainy, often cold climate. Saw one out on Lorane highway just outside of Eugene, Oregon and did not know what the heck it was till I was able to close in on it and see the brand name, but the first thing I thought was that it was open on the sides on a cold day. Freezing.
Also, how far can you go on a charge? Last I read, it was a 100 - 130 miles. Sounds like it's a lot but not really as vast as the distances are in the US. How long does it take to charge up? What kind of outlet do you have to have? Also, how are the batteries recycled? What are they made out of? Do they pollute when they're made? Just playing a little Devil's Advocate, here. Electric vehicles DO have a carbon footprint and electric production does have an impact on the environment.
I would like to see LED lights out lining some of the frame and sides, better for the night rides.... It could be a factory option...
Looks nice. No storage, AC, Heat, or Collision protection. Limited market.
The US version of a Renault Twizzy.
There are US spec Twizys badged as Nissans in California, but they're used only by a ride sharing company, not sold to the public, yet.
Nice vid. Rooting for FUV! :)
How about the winter? Anything incolsed? Not doors?
Niche market, vacation spot rentals and delivery not mass market. No doors, not worried about weather, motorcycle alternative. does look fun for that though
Super awesome and so much potential to save the world. My question is that the fuv rental business might face the same problem as the bicycle rental business that had a major problem in maintaining a sustainable model with bicycles being damaged and some destroyed by careless and irresponsible customers.
What a bout a deep puddle or a flood out dip in the road will the batteries short out ? What if your caught in a down pour and your driving in six inches of rain trying to make it home will the motors shot out ?
This one would be excellent for Costa Rica!
the problem with this is - the moment it gets on the road or on the pavement - this will add much more traffic just like an e-bike, unless it will be legislated to be OUT of the MAJOR route that would be good.
What would it take to have a rental franchise in Jacksonville FL?
If you get a rental place for these in surfers paradise on the Gold Coast in QLD Australia you would make a killing. Moped hire places used to hire so many scooters before the locals started complaining. However these being electric and alot more stable a vehicle you wouldn't have e the complaints or accidents like with the mopeds.
I like this. It's not quite the 200 mile range that I would like, but if I can get some studded tires for this with a robust defroster, I could commute with this. It would be even better with 3 motors and some 33" tires.
Great idea especially if solar chargeable. I hope we develop road ways where we can drive them legally. Thumbs up.
Wow I love this I'm seeing this in the Caribbean like Tobago
There needs to be something like this, but the front wheel stick way out, doesn't tilt around the corner, not great for bad weather driving, someone need to find away to merge the best of a motorcycle and a car.
Looks like a great all around vehicle !