Absolutely loved this!! Not seen your content before and so glad this showed up, I live in Padiham and I’ve never heard of this case, been down that lane many times too. Thanks for covering this and keep up the good work. BC. Now subscribed. 😊
We cringe looking back at these older videosnbut glad people find them interesting all the same. I guess it's just getting used to talking into a camera. This case was bizarre and I still think about the old lady on that lane who spoke to us about it. It's when she said she used to see Richard sat on the old metal gates at the top of the lane and how, when she was much older, people she knew would talk about the case and wondered if Richard actually did kill her. It makes you wonder if he was guilty of planned murder 🤔
You have done a fantastic job in bringing this story alive for us. The blending of the statements and the readings from the Podcast you nailed it. Just when you think you’ve solved what happened you had throw a drop of doubt in the mix. We truly reliving history through your stories. Thanks for sharing bud
This was my grandma's uncle her name was Lillian Marion massey . She never mentioned this in her lifetime I only found out due to research of my Ancestry.
Thanks for reaching out to us 😃 It's a sad and tragic story and I guess we will never know the real truth as to what happened. It's another of those stories though we do keep checking back on looking through the old newspaper archives and trying to find information we missed first time around as I do think there is possibly more to uncover.
Hi Sheena, my late husband was called Stephen Massey and his father was Frank Massey and they came from Burnley. I’ve never researched his family line but know two Massey men emigrated to New Zealand. One became the president of one area which was named after him (name since changed) although there is a university there still called Massey. The other worked on a dairy farm but eventually visited the US, came back and started an ice cream business which became one of the largest in New Zealand (on a par with Walls ice cream here). I wonder if there is a connection to your family line?
@@starlight1867There are three Massey Universities here in NZ now. And Eldora was an ice cream brand made by the Massey family in the far North of NZ. Around the 30's they had established a lucrative ice cream run to a number of districts around the north island. Hope this wasn't useless information. 😁
It must have been hard for the family back then. Personally I don’t believe it was premeditated murder. Evidently neither did the jury im glad he found his way home. But I do feel for her children and his daughter that’s a hell of a weight to live under blessthem
well you done it again what a very strange case but very interesting and wonderful view . we could almost think we were there there with the way you tell the history thank you both so much see you soon love trev and christine
My great-grandfather died after being hit by a train whilst working on the line at Hapton in April 1950. His name was John Hughes and he was an Irishman who'd brought his wife and children over from Attymass in County Mayo.
There is a photo of him in the Burnley Express - Wednesday 26 April 1950, along with this story. I think its the same man, but in 1930, a man by the same name was arrested for stealing pipes from a store (not sure whose). He was fined 10s. This is in the Lancashire Evening Post - Tuesday 29 July 1930.
Thanks! Very informative & enjoyable. Be nice to see a Southern/South West series. The 1950's mystery regarding the death of a young girl which was connected to Sugar Ray Robinson's entourage is of perticular interest.
@michaelhiggs8657 thanks, we do plan to go further a Field, but at the moment our diary is full with us working full time, family life and videoing, it's just finding time but is in our plan as we keep growing. Thanks for watching
They must have been fond of each other to spend 3 days wandering around like that. But perhaps it was the other way around, perhaps he wanted her to run away with him, and she refused. I can't imagine him strangling her when he didn't really want too. After all she had 3 kids.
She couldn't be with the man she loved and didn't want to be with the one she married. Desperate times take desperate actions. Maybe she pretended to drink the concoction to provoke a response, which unfortunately after three days of badgering he relented.
Is there any other evidence that she wanted to commit suicide apart from what the boyfriend said? Did they get the drink analysed? I find it hard to believe he did not mean to kill her, strangling someone requires strength and stamina, it takes between 4 and 5 mins for someone to die from strangulation.
To me, the lifestyle of the victim: neglecting to take care of her own small three children for days at a time and instead barhopping and cheating on her husband with other men etc seems to indicate someone who is deeply unresponsible and self-serving. It would be so today, and much more so 100 years ago when this type of behaviour was very much against all social norms. To me this just doesn’t in any way fit the psychological profile of someone who would commit suicide. Infact I would argue that it more closely fits the psychological profile of someone who is likely to commit murder. But suicide? No way.
@exactam0 Good things pointed out here. Thanks for this. What I love is obviously we research, do all our homework from all the information we collate produce the video. Afterward I love this interaction which gets everyone talking sharing thoughts, ideas etc and we have a great community. Thanks for sharing this
Very interesting story and sad 😢 going back so many years. Very strange story but obviously true, poor woman probably didn't want to live anymore but couldn't commit suicide herself. So interesting to see the actual places even though it was 100 years ago. Excellently done, thanks Chris and Vicky. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
One thing we wanted to do when starting the whole RUclips journey was to go out and visit the places where the stories took place, rather than just sit in front of a green screen and overlaying photos as we speak. I think by taking people to the actual locations, it brings it more to home and maybe raises more interest?
The definition of murder is the intention to kill etc so the evidence may have suggested enough doubt to remove the ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ element in a murder charge. Was he clever enough to introduce that himself? The fact that the local Bobby advised silence plus a few other factors could imply some things but the only people present was the victim and the defendant. Everything is purely speculative if not supported by evidence.
I think everything about his story is correct except everything before the strangulation. How can you drink nearly a full bottle of poison and just get a bit sick lol. Everything about his story stinks. I reckon they gave him manslaughter and waved the ridiculous story because she was a cheating wife and it was frowned upon back then, or far more widely than today. She probably said she can't see him anymore because the husband was getting suspicious and he reacted like that or planned it all weekend if she told him days before.
I feel so sorry for Richard, he obviously had had a very hard life. She seemed like a very selfish woman, there are women like that but somehow I always think life was much to hard to think of going out drinking and mixing with other men other than your husband None of it made any sense, and also who apart from Richard (probably) thought of the poor children, especially the little one. I really don't understand her thinking at all and I realise that the title accurately describes the story. Thank you, you do a brilliant job.
He made a life in padiham with daughter Ellen and spouse norah It must have been hard for all concerned some thinking him a murderer others not. But he did it and it looks as though he did his best to atone for what happened. I hope he rests in peace
Many thanks for sharing this information. When we filmed this story, we were still getting used to sourcing information and which resources were available to us as it was all new. Now we have half a dozen or more places we visit and use 😀
firstly what beautiful . beautiful .. countryside . wow . unspoilt countryside . then was this murder . NO. IT definitly was not . the lady had decided for whatever reason she wanted no more of this . life . and ..this happens ..just read tonight where a chap decided to jump in a rive here and anothe poor chap not knowing the guy hhad told his friends and all what he was about to do .. then jumped in the river then the other poor chap jumped in to save him . unforturnaly they both died and the jumper fought with the saver guy who was a good swimer and end of they both perished ... the lady in this case for whatever reasons had decided to off hersel .and bringing the guines bottle and something like poisen had done a deal of planing . the guy whom she selected to help her in her endevor s was and innocent assistant and went strait home and told the story . no hidden agenda . . the very expericnced police men got the story straight form the mans mouth via the bro .. whom i feel was the real hero to the story becauxe he immediatly saught police help .. the magistrate s made the correct decisions . as u say in an era wherre a crime if it had been proven to be a serious crime would have definitly been a hanging offence . but the officers sussed ths situation and obviously helped in the magstartes getting a correct fix on what had occured . fair play . poor man . he was used and he was spared . .a.d.. think of some of the modern muder sucides that hafe take place .. one .. where a man kills his wife and children whith a chipping hammer to back of head in ged upstairs .and the goes the easy road himself wihth aprepared concoction of poisen .. ouchhh . i just feel its strange teritory and we cant really rationalise even thoug as humans with sensitivites we try . thank yo again for yorur lovely presentation loved the story .. and lets hope thry all rest easy in earthly
Richard married in 1900 to Mary and they had Ellen im presuming Mary died after birth. Richard according to prison records on ancestry served three years. On 14 oct 1943 he enlisted in the 62nd county of Lancaster Burnley battalion of the home guard his daughter Ellen is listed in his record as-is a spouse
Norah Wealden was his wife according to the record. Richard was 54 at that point they lived in Green street Padiham. in 1969 on 6th April a Richard Massey of 12 cotton street Padiham died according to the England and Wales nation probate records administration was granted 23 may the same year it doesn’t say who to. It looks as though this particular death was registered in April quarter Burnley Lancashire volume 10b page 1751 his date of birth on the index is 22 July 1899 and at death he was 69. Lancashire online parish clerks state burial 10 April 1969 St. John’s road Cemetery padiham lancs Richard massey abode 12 cotton st padiham grave 612 plot C registrar was W E Speight he was buried by J Connolly presumably an undertaker having died at the general hospital in Burnley. The original register is held at Burnley cemetery and is as follows burials 1930-2021 page119 entry 9794.
You need to use Google Maps much better or Photographs something to give us a Grasp of the area you are describing!! Very Hard to understand? and How were tthey visiting all these villages? on Foot,Bicycle or Car? I'm sorry but the way you tell this Story you make it Sound Quite Normal the way this Woman Lived ?? 1920s
You do know when we made this video don't you? Right at the very start when we were just starting off, so of course, we learn as we go along and have been using maps since, both new and the old OS maps.
From what you describe about the circumstances that transpired that night/morning....i personally believe that, to strangle someone takes a lot of strength ...and the mindset to do it. I reckon he was an astute man, who made the gamble, knowing full well that he could have faced the death penalty, if a jury went against him. The gamble paid off, and the rest, as they say is history.
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Absolutely loved this!! Not seen your content before and so glad this showed up, I live in Padiham and I’ve never heard of this case, been down that lane many times too. Thanks for covering this and keep up the good work. BC. Now subscribed. 😊
We cringe looking back at these older videosnbut glad people find them interesting all the same. I guess it's just getting used to talking into a camera. This case was bizarre and I still think about the old lady on that lane who spoke to us about it. It's when she said she used to see Richard sat on the old metal gates at the top of the lane and how, when she was much older, people she knew would talk about the case and wondered if Richard actually did kill her. It makes you wonder if he was guilty of planned murder 🤔
You have done a fantastic job in bringing this story alive for us. The blending of the statements and the readings from the Podcast you nailed it. Just when you think you’ve solved what happened you had throw a drop of doubt in the mix. We truly reliving history through your stories. Thanks for sharing bud
Brilliant Chris and Vicki. Love all your videos x
Thanks fir the lovely comment. Glad your enjoying our content 😊
Thankyou for your reply and Thanks for telling this story so respectfully of my family history
HOW SAD
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This was my grandma's uncle her name was Lillian Marion massey . She never mentioned this in her lifetime I only found out due to research of my Ancestry.
Thanks for reaching out to us 😃 It's a sad and tragic story and I guess we will never know the real truth as to what happened. It's another of those stories though we do keep checking back on looking through the old newspaper archives and trying to find information we missed first time around as I do think there is possibly more to uncover.
Hi Sheena, my late husband was called Stephen Massey and his father was Frank Massey and they came from Burnley. I’ve never researched his family line but know two Massey men emigrated to New Zealand. One became the president of one area which was named after him (name since changed) although there is a university there still called Massey. The other worked on a dairy farm but eventually visited the US, came back and started an ice cream business which became one of the largest in New Zealand (on a par with Walls ice cream here). I wonder if there is a connection to your family line?
@@starlight1867There are three Massey Universities here in NZ now. And Eldora was an ice cream brand made by the Massey family in the far North of NZ. Around the 30's they had established a lucrative ice cream run to a number of districts around the north island. Hope this wasn't useless information. 😁
It must have been hard for the family back then. Personally I don’t believe it was premeditated murder. Evidently neither did the jury im glad he found his way home. But I do feel for her children and his daughter that’s a hell of a weight to live under blessthem
tanks, I enjoyed the story.
Excellent. Really enjoyed this.
Another well presented documentary.
Many thanks Stewart.
well you done it again what a very strange case but very interesting and wonderful view . we could almost think we were there there with the way you tell the history thank you both so much see you soon love trev and christine
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Thank you Trevor for your kind comments. Glad your enjoying the channel 😊
I so enjoy your stories , you are most respectful on your accounts. The human condition of ordinary men is so telling. Thank you.
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Thank you for your reply I do like your videos I will be watching them now
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My great-grandfather died after being hit by a train whilst working on the line at Hapton in April 1950. His name was John Hughes and he was an Irishman who'd brought his wife and children over from Attymass in County Mayo.
There is a photo of him in the Burnley Express - Wednesday 26 April 1950, along with this story. I think its the same man, but in 1930, a man by the same name was arrested for stealing pipes from a store (not sure whose). He was fined 10s. This is in the Lancashire Evening Post - Tuesday 29 July 1930.
@@DaysofHorror thank you. I'd like to think it wasn't my grandpa nicking stuff 😁 but I'll have a look.
@@DaysofHorror it so WAS my great-grandfather! 🤣
I think a lot of our ancestors got up to shenanigans lol@@elizabethwoolnough4358
@@elizabethwoolnough4358aww what a small world...
Thanks! Very informative & enjoyable. Be nice to see a Southern/South West series. The 1950's mystery regarding the death of a young girl which was connected to Sugar Ray Robinson's entourage is of perticular interest.
The girl was 7 year old Christine Butcher.
@michaelhiggs8657 thanks, we do plan to go further a Field, but at the moment our diary is full with us working full time, family life and videoing, it's just finding time but is in our plan as we keep growing. Thanks for watching
I have jest came across your videos very interesting
Thank you Susan, hope your enjoying the content 😊
They must have been fond of each other to spend 3 days wandering around like that. But perhaps it was the other way around, perhaps he wanted her to run away with him, and she refused. I can't imagine him strangling her when he didn't really want too. After all she had 3 kids.
Thanks for watching and commenting Henry 😊
She couldn't be with the man she loved and didn't want to be with the one she married. Desperate times take desperate actions. Maybe she pretended to drink the concoction to provoke a response, which unfortunately after three days of badgering he relented.
Again I see how you are looking at this 😊
My she R.I.P
Is there any other evidence that she wanted to commit suicide apart from what the boyfriend said? Did they get the drink analysed? I find it hard to believe he did not mean to kill her, strangling someone requires strength and stamina, it takes between 4 and 5 mins for someone to die from strangulation.
Yep agree 😊
To me, the lifestyle of the victim: neglecting to take care of her own small three children for days at a time and instead barhopping and cheating on her husband with other men etc seems to indicate someone who is deeply unresponsible and self-serving. It would be so today, and much more so 100 years ago when this type of behaviour was very much against all social norms. To me this just doesn’t in any way fit the psychological profile of someone who would commit suicide. Infact I would argue that it more closely fits the psychological profile of someone who is likely to commit murder. But suicide? No way.
@exactam0 Good things pointed out here. Thanks for this.
What I love is obviously we research, do all our homework from all the information we collate produce the video. Afterward I love this interaction which gets everyone talking sharing thoughts, ideas etc and we have a great community. Thanks for sharing this
Very interesting story and sad 😢 going back so many years. Very strange story but obviously true, poor woman probably didn't want to live anymore but couldn't commit suicide herself. So interesting to see the actual places even though it was 100 years ago. Excellently done, thanks Chris and Vicky. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
One thing we wanted to do when starting the whole RUclips journey was to go out and visit the places where the stories took place, rather than just sit in front of a green screen and overlaying photos as we speak. I think by taking people to the actual locations, it brings it more to home and maybe raises more interest?
The definition of murder is the intention to kill etc so the evidence may have suggested enough doubt to remove the ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ element in a murder charge. Was he clever enough to introduce that himself? The fact that the local Bobby advised silence plus a few other factors could imply some things but the only people present was the victim and the defendant. Everything is purely speculative if not supported by evidence.
Thank you for this thought process and yes can see where your going this this. Hope you enjoyed the story. 😊
I think everything about his story is correct except everything before the strangulation. How can you drink nearly a full bottle of poison and just get a bit sick lol. Everything about his story stinks.
I reckon they gave him manslaughter and waved the ridiculous story because she was a cheating wife and it was frowned upon back then, or far more widely than today.
She probably said she can't see him anymore because the husband was getting suspicious and he reacted like that or planned it all weekend if she told him days before.
I feel so sorry for Richard, he obviously had had a very hard life. She seemed like a very selfish woman, there are women like that but somehow I always think life was much to hard to think of going out drinking and mixing with other men other than your husband None of it made any sense, and also who apart from Richard (probably) thought of the poor children, especially the little one. I really don't understand her thinking at all and I realise that the title accurately describes the story. Thank you, you do a brilliant job.
Thanks Linda, yes seems like she was very selfish 😢
no poison in her stomach she was trying to manipulate him and it all went wrong
she was my grandma
Very small world 😊
Burial: 10 Apr 1969 St John's Rd Cemetery, Padiham, Lancashire
Richard Massey -
Died At: General Hospital Burnley
Age: 69yrs
Abode: 12 Cotton St Padiham
Grave Number: 612
Plot: C
Buried By: J Connolly
Registrar: W E Speight
Register: Burials 1930 - 2021, Page 119, Entry 9794
He made a life in padiham with daughter Ellen and spouse norah It must have been hard for all concerned some thinking him a murderer others not. But he did it and it looks as though he did his best to atone for what happened. I hope he rests in peace
Many thanks for sharing this information. When we filmed this story, we were still getting used to sourcing information and which resources were available to us as it was all new. Now we have half a dozen or more places we visit and use 😀
firstly what beautiful . beautiful .. countryside . wow . unspoilt countryside . then was this murder . NO. IT definitly was not . the lady had decided for whatever reason she wanted no more of this . life . and ..this happens ..just read tonight where a chap decided to jump in a rive here and anothe poor chap not knowing the guy hhad told his friends and all what he was about to do .. then jumped in the river then the other poor chap jumped in to save him . unforturnaly they both died and the jumper fought with the saver guy who was a good swimer and end of they both perished ... the lady in this case for whatever reasons had decided to off hersel .and bringing the guines bottle and something like poisen had done a deal of planing . the guy whom she selected to help her in her endevor s was and innocent assistant and went strait home and told the story . no hidden agenda . . the very expericnced police men got the story straight form the mans mouth via the bro .. whom i feel was the real hero to the story becauxe he immediatly saught police help .. the magistrate s made the correct decisions . as u say in an era wherre a crime if it had been proven to be a serious crime would have definitly been a hanging offence . but the officers sussed ths situation and obviously helped in the magstartes getting a correct fix on what had occured . fair play . poor man . he was used and he was spared . .a.d.. think of some of the modern muder sucides that hafe take place .. one .. where a man kills his wife and children whith a chipping hammer to back of head in ged upstairs .and the goes the easy road himself wihth aprepared concoction of poisen .. ouchhh . i just feel its strange teritory and we cant really rationalise even thoug as humans with sensitivites we try . thank yo again for yorur lovely presentation loved the story .. and lets hope thry all rest easy in earthly
Another awesome story! I think he murdered her.
Thanks Michelle for watching and commenting... seems the case doesn't it! Take care 😊
Richard married in 1900 to Mary and they had Ellen im presuming Mary died after birth. Richard according to prison records on ancestry served three years. On 14 oct 1943 he enlisted in the 62nd county of Lancaster Burnley battalion of the home guard his daughter Ellen is listed in his record as-is a spouse
Norah Wealden was his wife according to the record. Richard was 54 at that point they lived in Green street Padiham. in 1969 on 6th April a Richard Massey of 12 cotton street Padiham died according to the England and Wales nation probate records administration was granted 23 may the same year it doesn’t say who to. It looks as though this particular death was registered in April quarter Burnley Lancashire volume 10b page 1751 his date of birth on the index is 22 July 1899 and at death he was 69. Lancashire online parish clerks state burial 10 April 1969 St. John’s road Cemetery padiham lancs Richard massey abode 12 cotton st padiham grave 612 plot C registrar was W E Speight he was buried by J Connolly presumably an undertaker having died at the general hospital in Burnley. The original register is held at Burnley cemetery and is as follows burials 1930-2021 page119 entry 9794.
Serval penitude!😂
Hi there wordsmith, correct and well spotted "Penal Servitude" 😆
You need to use Google Maps much better or Photographs something to give us a Grasp of the area you are describing!! Very Hard to understand? and How were tthey visiting all these villages? on Foot,Bicycle or Car? I'm sorry but the way you tell this Story you make it Sound Quite Normal the way this Woman Lived ?? 1920s
We do now use alot of Google maps and os maps in our more recent videos... 😊
You do know when we made this video don't you? Right at the very start when we were just starting off, so of course, we learn as we go along and have been using maps since, both new and the old OS maps.
You have a blonde lady today!
@@pamelaselmes3640 two years ago when we did this story. It's absolutely flown by!
Omg,never going back to that colour again lol 😆
I thought it suited you 😊
Thanks @@jamescullen8607
From what you describe about the circumstances that transpired that night/morning....i personally believe that, to strangle someone takes a lot of strength ...and the mindset to do it. I reckon he was an astute man, who made the gamble, knowing full well that he could have faced the death penalty, if a jury went against him. The gamble paid off, and the rest, as they say is history.
Yeah, I agree 👍