It’s crazy to think that Mayo had not even been in the role of a coordinator before he got this job. What the hell was Robert thinking. This is 100 % on Kraft for underestimating how much the job of HC involved….
@ the seasons he got in a power struggle with the GM? All that illustrates is that it’s hard to win when your boss is actively sabotaging you. You could bring up what the Titans did this year in their first year without him, though. 3 wins and picking first overall in the draft.
@@nexigram yeah he’s annoying to say the least . It’s fine to have that argument but can I hear him give a better alternative. All this knocking bitching about other people making the case but no solution . Right now Vrabel has the most complete resume that’s on the market and he just so happens to have ties to the fanbase and organization. Maybe I’m over looking someone so feel free to let me know.
Let's not forget all of us who were saying Mayo never should've been hired in the first place!!! We knew it was the wrong move, we recognized and greatly acknowledged the nepotism, we knew it wasn't going to work, we knew it was going to end this way. Then the dumb sensitive casual fans piped up and tried telling us we were being mean and negative pessimists and we need to give him a chance first... WE TOLD TOU SO!!!!
I know, I trusted Kraft...to a point. I just didn't like how he did bill. now, i'm totally happy. hey, you never should have done bill dirty like that. I'm not playing racial games I'm black and I love bill. mayo isn't my guy. but the pats are my team. I went with it. if you are a patriots fan you root for your team. what's this rooting for your coach to fail nonsense? is it that important to you? is race that important. that it supersede every other decision? To not give a guy a chance, of course it won't be as successful, your replacing a legend. But your expecting the firing of bill to have been on the level. not a personal vendetta to remove the most qualified performer in history
VERY HAPPY WITH ROBERT KRAFT / OWNERSHIP! THANK YOU BOB AND JONATHAN FOR BEING HERE FOR PATRIOT NATION! EXCELLENT BUSINESS DECISION! NOW HIRE VRABEL AND MCDANIELS!
@ 4-13, and about 6 years worth of failed drafts in a row! Putting Matt Patricia and Joey Judge in charge of a 2nd year QB, and becoming a laughing stock of the league. He also THREW the 2017 Super Bowl! Come on casual!
No, Mayo and staff deserved to get fired, but they also deserved the dignity to finish out their last game. Buffalo threw the game in such a disgusting way that it made losing impossible.
Why because they recognize the mistakes they have been making and are now trying to find a real coach? Mayo saw colors. Well now he's seeing red😂. Glad the DEI hire is gone now hire Ben Johnson screw the BB coaching tree. The last thing we need is Mc Daniels back too with his complicated offense no one gets today. Hire Ben as HC / OC and bring in the best defensive coordinator you can hire. Give Ben some say in player selection and keep wolf to get the players the coaches want.
I love how Mayo gets all the blame. No one holds Bill to the flame. Terrible draft after terrible draft. Letting good kickers walk and drafting two poor kickers, letting a good WR walk for next to nothing and recruiting a washed up WR. Let’s not forget Bill was 5-13 with a Supet Bowl roster. NE is now the Jets.
What Superbowl roster? The Patriots never had a losing season with Tom Brady starting. The Patriots overachieved Mac Jones rookie season. Agree, terrible drafting took the Patriots from a .500 team to a four win team.
No. They not the Panthers. They have QB for the future. A good experienced coach and innovative offensive mind, those are building blocks for a playoff level team. Patience.
Can Fred hear himself at all? If not Vrabel, then who? "Well..., we're waiting." Sooner or later, people need to stop with the "what ifs". Unless there's someone available with Belichick's capabilities, and then one could say, "What if Belichick wins 6 super bowls and then his success falls off a cliff? Should we really hire Bill Belichick?" Hire the best available person and move on.
It’s ok if the Pats suck. They literally owned the league for 2 decades. It’s hard to win. Pats finally look like the rest of the league. No reason for fans or media to make a big deal about it.
We have a potential franchise QB, a top 4 pick and tons of money. Get that fans dont trust ownership/front office but lets hope with the firing of Mayo that doing a real search that they're acknowledging their mistakes. Every team has to bottom out & rebuild. #TheNegativityInThisTownSucks
@@Steven-lb4bl it's the reality of where we are. All teams have to rebuild, for 20 years we were on top. Lets see where this offseason goes, its an important one.
Pats are the Panthers of the AFC…because the Greatest coach of all time weakness was evaluating talent. The Pats haven’t had an All Pro player after the 2009 draft.
Kraft's haven't had to do anything for year's. Now they have to are they still equipped to do so. Badly run organization. Need to interview the best people and then hire them. Not half assed like they do
All these naysayers are trying to set themselves up for "well why aren't they firing this next guy? ... this season was a disappointment" next January. They all can only talk about 4-13. Also... how do you not love Fred's ridiculous review of Vrabel's career? "9-7, 9-7... last two years weren't good." To borrow from Elaine, he yaddahyaddahed Vrabel's two best seasons. News flash, Toucher: take whoever your favorite coach in history is. Besides all his wins, he never won.
@@reganderson9721 it’s amazing he got the job having and doing absolutely nothing of merit. Always the crying Black women that twist it to make it seem like they’re the victim. Black women don’t need a real man they got a girlfriend with balls.
Andrew is a tool!! no one listens to him. He has zero credibility after he told everyone that Maye should sit out the year. I don’t even know why he has a job.
WTF are you talking about? Bryce Young was the #1 pick in the 2023 draft! He's had his ups and downs as a young QB...but what makes you think he may not be better than Drake Maye? What did Maye do with a shitty team? The same thing Young did in his 1st season. I'm a Pats fan...but sorry, Carolina is a much better team (roster) than the Patriots right now!
This is just not true and is based on outdated narratives. Carolina is in a better position than the Pats right now. They have their QB and a young coach who has the team culture trending in the right direction. It’s ok to just say nothing when you don’t actually know what you’re talking about.
@@asid448Bryce Young picked it up at the end of the season but to say that hes better than Maye is wrong lol. Maye is more talented than Young. He has a worse roster than Young and put up comparable if not better numbers. Maye didnt have to get benched halfway through the year for performance lol
@chad3071 I did not say Young is better. I said that you and I have no idea who's going to be better...based on a lot of factors. Coaching, surrounding talent, and just the team fit for a player. Bryce Young had to be something in the eyes of scouts...he was the #1 pick. He's also spent 2 years on a shitty team. Both players will not be anything special without an O-line to protect them. Or playmakers around them. You and I have NO clue how either career will turn out. If Maye keeps turning the ball over in his 2nd year...he will be benched just like Young was.
This fascination with Vrabel is sickening. This team needs new blood and new vision. Someone who is up to date with analytics and all the other departments this team lacks and the best ones have. We need an offensive mastermind. Stop recycling ex-Patriots just to hold on to past times. Move forward, do it swiftly and get rid of that past that is holding our future
The difference between the panthers and the patriots is the panthers are getting better, they are gonna be a good team next year, I’d say a 10 win team next season. We were getting worse not better.
It’s crazy to think that Mayo had not even been in the role of a coordinator before he got this job. What the hell was Robert thinking. This is 100 % on Kraft for underestimating how much the job of HC involved….
I don’t know why Fred keeps harping on Vrabel going 9-7 in first two years when he had 11 wins and then 12 wins in the two years after that. 🙄
@ the seasons he got in a power struggle with the GM? All that illustrates is that it’s hard to win when your boss is actively sabotaging you.
You could bring up what the Titans did this year in their first year without him, though. 3 wins and picking first overall in the draft.
@@nexigram yeah he’s annoying to say the least . It’s fine to have that argument but can I hear him give a better alternative. All this knocking bitching about other people making the case but no solution . Right now Vrabel has the most complete resume that’s on the market and he just so happens to have ties to the fanbase and organization. Maybe I’m over looking someone so feel free to let me know.
It’s amazing how sports media was all over getting rid of him now that they did they wanna speak out of the other side of their mouth
Let's not forget all of us who were saying Mayo never should've been hired in the first place!!! We knew it was the wrong move, we recognized and greatly acknowledged the nepotism, we knew it wasn't going to work, we knew it was going to end this way. Then the dumb sensitive casual fans piped up and tried telling us we were being mean and negative pessimists and we need to give him a chance first... WE TOLD TOU SO!!!!
You knew shit. There was every possibility Mayo could have been successful, but because it didn't work out, you feel justified in your rant.
@@nathancawley6944 WE TOLD YOU SO!!! YOU WERE WRONG! WE WERE RIGHT!! 🤣🫵
@@nathancawley6944 WE TOLD YOU SO! 🤣🫵 We were right and you were wrong all along.
I know, I trusted Kraft...to a point. I just didn't like how he did bill. now, i'm totally happy. hey, you never should have done bill dirty like that. I'm not playing racial games I'm black and I love bill. mayo isn't my guy. but the pats are my team. I went with it. if you are a patriots fan you root for your team. what's this rooting for your coach to fail nonsense? is it that important to you? is race that important. that it supersede every other decision? To not give a guy a chance, of course it won't be as successful, your replacing a legend. But your expecting the firing of bill to have been on the level. not a personal vendetta to remove the most qualified performer in history
I'll do the same when Vrabel is a bust
VERY HAPPY WITH ROBERT KRAFT / OWNERSHIP! THANK YOU BOB AND JONATHAN FOR BEING HERE FOR PATRIOT NATION! EXCELLENT BUSINESS DECISION! NOW HIRE VRABEL AND MCDANIELS!
Vrabel yes, but not McDaniels and the Air Coryeal offense of the 1970s!
only the 1st step...until coaches/scouts/front office are shown the door..nothing changes.
Very happy? Why exactly did they fire Belichick is the question I now want answers to...
@ 4-13, and about 6 years worth of failed drafts in a row! Putting Matt Patricia and Joey Judge in charge of a 2nd year QB, and becoming a laughing stock of the league. He also THREW the 2017 Super Bowl! Come on casual!
No, Mayo and staff deserved to get fired, but they also deserved the dignity to finish out their last game. Buffalo threw the game in such a disgusting way that it made losing impossible.
Why because they recognize the mistakes they have been making and are now trying to find a real coach? Mayo saw colors. Well now he's seeing red😂. Glad the DEI hire is gone now hire Ben Johnson screw the BB coaching tree. The last thing we need is Mc Daniels back too with his complicated offense no one gets today. Hire Ben as HC / OC and bring in the best defensive coordinator you can hire. Give Ben some say in player selection and keep wolf to get the players the coaches want.
Vrabel was never part of a Belicheck coaching staff.
If they don't hire the right guy this time, they are headed towards Jets, Jags, and Titans territory. A comedy show.
Fred’s biggest enemy is the English language.
This is what you get for dumping Bill. Bill wasn't this bad now was he?
Blame your fearless owner.
Carolina would have kept Mayo. This is how i know the Pats are not carolina.
Fire them because they can't coach fred.. wtf.
This is the white guilt thing
Is that Freddie Kitchens?
I love how Mayo gets all the blame. No one holds Bill to the flame. Terrible draft after terrible draft. Letting good kickers walk and drafting two poor kickers, letting a good WR walk for next to nothing and recruiting a washed up WR. Let’s not forget Bill was 5-13 with a Supet Bowl roster. NE is now the Jets.
What Superbowl roster? The Patriots never had a losing season with Tom Brady starting. The Patriots overachieved Mac Jones rookie season. Agree, terrible drafting took the Patriots from a .500 team to a four win team.
Fred is SO HARD to listen to! Know-it-all that knows nothing is an awful combination.
No. They not the Panthers. They have QB for the future. A good experienced coach and innovative offensive mind, those are building blocks for a playoff level team. Patience.
You claim to be a Boston RUclips channel but don't know Vrabel, no Pats fans are liking this.
Can Fred hear himself at all? If not Vrabel, then who? "Well..., we're waiting." Sooner or later, people need to stop with the "what ifs". Unless there's someone available with Belichick's capabilities, and then one could say, "What if Belichick wins 6 super bowls and then his success falls off a cliff? Should we really hire Bill Belichick?" Hire the best available person and move on.
It’s ok if the Pats suck. They literally owned the league for 2 decades. It’s hard to win. Pats finally look like the rest of the league. No reason for fans or media to make a big deal about it.
We have a potential franchise QB, a top 4 pick and tons of money. Get that fans dont trust ownership/front office but lets hope with the firing of Mayo that doing a real search that they're acknowledging their mistakes. Every team has to bottom out & rebuild. #TheNegativityInThisTownSucks
That makes no sense whatsoever
@@Steven-lb4bl it's the reality of where we are. All teams have to rebuild, for 20 years we were on top. Lets see where this offseason goes, its an important one.
If the Patriots are able to overcome adversity, it will make things even sweeter.
It's ok if Pats suck? Since when is it fun being in last place? Dude, check yourself out. 😂
Pats are the Panthers of the AFC…because the Greatest coach of all time weakness was evaluating talent. The Pats haven’t had an All Pro player after the 2009 draft.
Think about that folks...no ALL PRO PLAYER since after 2009.
Kraft's haven't had to do anything for year's. Now they have to are they still equipped to do so. Badly run organization. Need to interview the best people and then hire them. Not half assed like they do
Fred true blond
All these naysayers are trying to set themselves up for "well why aren't they firing this next guy? ... this season was a disappointment" next January.
They all can only talk about 4-13.
Also... how do you not love Fred's ridiculous review of Vrabel's career? "9-7, 9-7... last two years weren't good." To borrow from Elaine, he yaddahyaddahed Vrabel's two best seasons.
News flash, Toucher: take whoever your favorite coach in history is. Besides all his wins, he never won.
This is complete 🧢 cap because panthers not got 1 superbowl we have 6 should be 7 if it weren't for the minister of defense RIP!
Just admit you don't like vrabel
This buddy buddy BS will be the death of this franchise
A new low is this station’s morning show
Fred is stuck on stupid dude it wasn’t about the wins. The first year.
It was more about him being black right?
@ are you black?
@@Mark-ug1teyou said it
It's amazing the organization handed him nothing and he got fired
@@reganderson9721 it’s amazing he got the job having and doing absolutely nothing of merit. Always the crying Black women that twist it to make it seem like they’re the victim. Black women don’t need a real man they got a girlfriend with balls.
Yep Kraft got a big head and fired excellent coach and hired Mayo
Kraft is a failure
Andrew is a tool!! no one listens to him. He has zero credibility after he told everyone that Maye should sit out the year. I don’t even know why he has a job.
Bottom feeders pats love it
the panthers? That's a bit hyperbolic don't u think? Carolina has no QB. At least NE has that but they're not carolina
WTF are you talking about? Bryce Young was the #1 pick in the 2023 draft! He's had his ups and downs as a young QB...but what makes you think he may not be better than Drake Maye? What did Maye do with a shitty team? The same thing Young did in his 1st season. I'm a Pats fan...but sorry, Carolina is a much better team (roster) than the Patriots right now!
Say you don't watch football without saying it 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is just not true and is based on outdated narratives. Carolina is in a better position than the Pats right now. They have their QB and a young coach who has the team culture trending in the right direction.
It’s ok to just say nothing when you don’t actually know what you’re talking about.
@@asid448Bryce Young picked it up at the end of the season but to say that hes better than Maye is wrong lol. Maye is more talented than Young. He has a worse roster than Young and put up comparable if not better numbers. Maye didnt have to get benched halfway through the year for performance lol
@chad3071 I did not say Young is better. I said that you and I have no idea who's going to be better...based on a lot of factors. Coaching, surrounding talent, and just the team fit for a player. Bryce Young had to be something in the eyes of scouts...he was the #1 pick. He's also spent 2 years on a shitty team. Both players will not be anything special without an O-line to protect them. Or playmakers around them. You and I have NO clue how either career will turn out. If Maye keeps turning the ball over in his 2nd year...he will be benched just like Young was.
They were with DEI MAYO.
Now they arent. Especially if they sign Vrabel.
Do you call Mike Tomlin DEI?
The team is trash it’s not the coach fault!
Carolina has a better roster and coach…and possibly qb
Bryce young ain’t better than Maye pal
Is Andrew Callahan Gerry's kid???
No but he is Inspector Harry Callahan's grandson
This fascination with Vrabel is sickening. This team needs new blood and new vision. Someone who is up to date with analytics and all the other departments this team lacks and the best ones have. We need an offensive mastermind. Stop recycling ex-Patriots just to hold on to past times. Move forward, do it swiftly and get rid of that past that is holding our future
Pats weren't a dynasty. They were a brady. No brady, no winning. 7 wins in the future will feel like a SB win.
The difference between the panthers and the patriots is the panthers are getting better, they are gonna be a good team next year, I’d say a 10 win team next season. We were getting worse not better.
10 wins for the panthers … go watch soccer , you’re insane
@@Bigchupapi1 It's not insane at all.
@@uthamanj no that is definitely insane
@@joncarter4389It is not, quit echoing outdated talking points.
@ It’s an opinion bud. Wild theory but multiple people can have the same one. Don’t get so pressed cuz you’re in the minority
Drunky still struggling to form a coherent thought