Spongebob Squarepants erased the entire universe by pulling on a string. Squarepants solos all of 40k then goes to work at the Krusty Krab the next morning.
@@strawberin0 okay. but in the stellaris thing. he never included mods. he said the mods are even worse. but all the things he talked about are just part of the base game
One single Xeelee had the power to solo a whole galaxy, make weapons bigger than galaxies, overwrite life itself, force time to go backwards while you are conscious about it, grab literally anything that is "A Thing" and rewrite its purpose in the universe incluiding it's impact on the laws of physics that they wrote to satisfy its own needs and merge all your futures and pasts together to get crushed by gravity and ripped apart from every timeline at the same time.
Usually evil supermen are copies or clones or alternat universes. He's also apparently part... I forget the name, but basically things on a conceptual level, like Uncle Same. Beings beyond New and Old gods in DC Comics.
That bit on the Battletech map, how do they hold it? Very aggressively. IIRC it's currently basically the battle of the bulge right now, with the Combine trying to hold it, if not extend it to just cut off and isolate part of the FedSun's territory, and them trying to take it back.
Overpowered is relative. Both in the sense of "powerful compared to what" and in that it is subjective in the sense you are saying it. After all, there are people who would insist that something like McBeth or Hamlet have character too powerful, are too unrealistic in capabilities, or have scales and stakes too high. And there are people who love things like the xeelie sequence and Stellaris with the Gigastructures mod.
Yeah, honestly, as long as a story or setting is enjoyable who cares how ridiculous it gets. I think DC and Marvel are both best examples of that, you have some of the most busted stuff on the high end and some of it makes for a great stories while some of it makes for pretty bad stories. All depends on how the author actually uses and contextualizes things in his setting or story.
The entire point is not that that serious but he's ramping power. And yes, in xeelee humans technically won against singular xeelee. And no it wasnt like we beat them. Imagine you buy a house, after lets say 10 years, ants in that property are just too damn annoying so you decide to move.. That is how humanity won against xeelee.. we had assault rifles that uses big-bang as ammo and we were so low in that particular xeelee that we were just annoyance.. and after 'winning' humanity decided that its not good to make us known anymore so humanity went into pocket dimensions to hide.. Yeah, species that shoots origin of universe out of assault rifles were so low of a species that they decided to hide.. and yea, xeelee as a species didnt know about this war.. its like if anthill was agressive on "steve's" property we dont care.. and like video says, even xeelee as a species were little more than a another angry anthill against their betters.
Xeelee Sequence, i think is the only sci-fy that can rival xinaxia on the higher end of power scaling. Not beat mind you, xianxia top end bodies the xeelee sequence easily, as minor comedic relief character pets have the same power lvl as the birds in xeelee sequence. But that is only the top end. As a xianxia fan, finally finding a sci-fy that could rival xianxia was something I though impossible
I mean hey it dosnt matter what is canon it matters what universe has in its stories so yea star vs warhammer is a fair comparison i do really love that one fanficiton on youtube by fanwithtomuch time its really cool.
*my Battletech senses were tingling* Edit: I highly recommend you watch his Do & Don't Battletech. It's a Universe much grander then 40K in terms of Lore and a IP older then it (it's celebrating it's 40th anniversary), all the capable of standing alongside any Sci-fi, but just had a run of bad luck with popularity due to legal issues.
Since he mentioned Halo in passing .. Low end halo is surviving in 40k keyword being surviving with the extended lore. High End Halo is bitch slapping the Chaos Gods. Because the Forerunners are about WIH Necrons / Old Ones/ C'tans level . Ancient humanity rivaled them. The Precursor are Transcendent HP Lovecraft Gods with no limits put on them.
40k is nowhere near the most overpowered setting in all of fiction. Is it the most BRUTAL though? Perhaps. I'm willing to give 40k that. Marvel and DC alone have plenty of characters that can unironically destroy the entirety of 40k with a snap. It's not even a question. Superman did get "controlled" a couple of times but it's never permanent he ALWAYS breaks out of it. If a bunch or mortals like Grey Knights could resist the warp, Superman can as well. There is nothing chaos could offer to tempt Superman with. And no, don't bring in alternate versions of Superman. The main one, the OG, the prime Superman is not getting corrupted.
Definitely one of the most brutal. A mistake some people can make is trying to compare tech levels, saying that some universe would beat WH40k because they have better gear. But that's not where Imperium's strength lies, it lies in numbers. In its ability to drown the enemy in meat and metal. No one does the War of Attrition like the Imperium does.
@@HubiKoshi I agree. There are certain verses that technically have far superior tech than 40k. But the question is, with all their tech, could they realistically deal with ALL of 40k? Star Wars? No chance. Star Trek? No either. Yes, these verses have superior FTL travel but what matters is the FIREPOWER. The Death Stars (I'm counting both for the sake of the argument) are the strongest weapons we've seen in Star Wars. That's it. But compared to like the Xeelee Sequence where they have guns that shoot big bangs, 40k stands no chance. Dragonball has weird tech but you don't need those when there are individuals capable of blowing up stars, solar systems, galaxies on their own. And of course, DC and Marvel. You will never run out of characters in these verses that are capable of blowing up the entire 40k universe with a mere thought.
@@crimsonfricker Grey Knights CAN'T resist everything in the Warp, the difference is they always die before they fall, and they deliberately avoid hopeless fights even if it would save the lives of others. If Superman followed their example, he'd still be dead.
@@crimsonfrickerSure. Let's just forget how it would take a 40k ship over two weeks to match the same speeds that a Star Trek ship cruises at. While the show really downplays how bullshit ST ships are, make no mistake, it doesn't matter how much the firepower disparity is when 40k ships won't be able to touch them.
@@bean108 we're talking about fights here, not racing. if the competition was who could reach the farthest ends of the galaxy, other verses clearly win.
your little speech after the xeelee part really shows you failed to listen at all. the point of the xeelee series is that all of those things were considered possible. those powerful weapons are not made up. they could theorethically exist in real life
They're not literal gods, they are warp-based life forms. They can be created unnaturally, born naturally, need to eat, can be eaten, change and be changed, and grow and wane in power with the amount of support they get. Immensely powerful, absolutely. But absolutely untouchable and all powerful gods they aren't. The scary part is that there are other sci-fi out there who won't even consider the chaos gods as an annoyance.
@@strilight They literally are gods, in their domains they do have absolute authority, and when it comes to their strength, that is only relevant to each other because what strengthens one can weaken another. It is stated over, and over, and over again in the setting they are gods, so disagreeing with the core books is just fanfic.
@@lich109all gods have absolute dominion in their domains but that doesn't make them omnipotent. In the warp the chaos gods are Supreme but take them out and they aren't even that strong compared to any other gods in fiction or any of the actual gods in mythology.
@@eltonsmith5410 Please point out where I said that makes them omnipotent. My point is that they are literally gods in the setting and anyone who claims they aren't, is not familiar with the setting, or they are deliberately misrepresenting it.
At the battletech section "how do you even hold territory like this?" Well with their teleportation sending you light years away after a few days of charge up and instant communication throughout the galaxy, probably a bit more efficient than territories like this were held in our real world history lol
The part about powerscaling going through the stratosphere is why I like Jujutsu Kaisen. It's a setting where catching bullets and being able to punch through walls is still considered pretty impressive despite the existence of busted abilities like infinity.
Naaah JJK is not even that bad when it comes to powerscaling. All the rules and somewhat rock paper scissors nature of the power system make it way more fair, even if some busted shit does exist in-universe.
@@strawberin0 Yep. I like how stats wise, JJK characters are more down to earth compared to other verses, like there's barely any FTL bullshittery for example.
The problem with Dragonball is when your power level becomes high enough physics no longer apply to you. And you can just break anything right after obtaining the power of a god Goku and Beerus clashing alone nearly ripped apart their entire universe.
The problem is, that engineer was specifically a badass. Unless you mean that everyone else in that setting, including several military groups, all sucked. Also, those engineering tools were more effective than normal weapons due to the nature of necromorphs, and less important for anything that cares about moral, supply lines, or functional organs.
Oh damn a Saiyan Daemon Prince would be rad and I can totally imagine it happening. Say King Vegeta or Bardock making a deal with him for power to free his people from Frieza's control and then he leads his race on a galactic slaughter fest. Two Sci-Fi settings I'd love to pit against WH40k is Empire from the Ashes by David Weber and the Bolo Series In the Empire from the Ashes the Default capital ship class used is a Battle Planetoid. The first one we meet is disguised as our Moon and by the end of the second book the good guys have like a fifty or a hundred of those with more to come in the future. A battle planetoid could knock Death Star out and not even slow down. The primary armaments are countless missile launchers where thermonuclear warheads are the mid-point of ship killing. Above that you've got gravitonic and anti-matter warheads. If you thought Tau were bad with throwing accurate missiles at you from half the system away wait till you get hit by a weaponized Moon that can tear a planet apart with ease. Bolo series meanwhile is primarily about the Bolos, gigantic, AI-driven tanks with the mentality of a chivalrous knight and enough firepower to blast spaceships out of orbit. Thick armor, forcefields and their main gun is a Hellbore cannon which is a fusion cannon firing blasts that are rated at megatons per second. They are very intelligent, tactical and fiercely loyal. I'd absolutely love to see them pitied against the Titans or Imperium's own super-heavy vehicles.
This whole video is basically someone who believed his favorite franchise was the most OP, only to find out they're a frog in a well. 🤣👌 Don't worry, I felt this way too after finding out how Overpowered SCP was. That's when I knew Power Scaling was BS as well.
I like how Pancreas asks what a Bloodthirster would do to Superman, when it's very easy to find stories where Superman needed to go find a magic user to help him fight a demon because he's that weak to magic. Superman is very strong, but if he's up against somebody like a Lord of Change, my money isn't on Superman. I mentioned the Tyranids vs the Viltrumites as a matchup that would crush the Viltrumites because the Tyranids modify themselves to beat whoever they're fighting against. If the Tyranids fought the Viltrumites, then after their first loss they'd evolve to be tougher, stronger, faster, and they'd create weapons powerful to cut through Viltrumites (they already exist in their own forms in both Invincible and 40k). Furthermore the Tyranids incorporate the DNA of their enemies to become stronger and since the Viltrumites are physical beings, it would not be hard for the Tyranids to begin copying their abilities. Even wiping out 100% of the attacking Tyranids would not help since they are a hive mind, so all of the other Tyranids would gain the knowledge of these new enemies and begin to learn how to counter them (or they'd get knowledge of their DNA if they managed to sufficiently harm or kill a Viltrumite and then study it). This also happens in 40k as well, where weird Tyranids have shown up that didn't previously exist because they were either born from the DNA of those they fought (Tyrant Guard for example came about from the Tyranids studying Space Marines) but since 40k doesn't have Viltrumites, and since Daemons are not physical beings, Tyranids have been unable to achieve the level of physical dominance that Viltrumites can achieve. This is also without talking about the really underhanded tactics the Tyranids use, if you want I can send you an old GW article thay goes over the stages of a Tyranid invasion. The gist of it is that you need to get rid of Tyranids as soon as they make landfall because if you don't, they begin to poison the entire environment. The atmosphere and food become unbreathable and poisonous to all life that isn't an Ork (and even then you can argue on it), and since Viltrumites do need to breathe, that would absolutely take them down, especially since there's also Tyranids that specialise in airborne poisons/pathogens. Yes Viltrumites can hold their breath for a very long time, but I think the fact that Tyranids are known both for poisoning the environment to render it uninhabitable, and for hiding deep underground for extended periods of time, would mean they could force Viltrumites to give up the planets they manage to land on. This is also before we get to Genestealers. Genestealer claws are known to cut through anything and everything, and they are also known for psychically hijacking other species. If a Genestealer sneaks up behind you (which they are exceptionally good at) and manages to get the back of your neck, you're done. You now work for and worship the Tyranids either willingly or unwillingly, and any kids you have will be infused with both your DNA and Tyranid DNA. Likewise they will also worship the Tyranids, and so will any kids they have, etc. This is another reason why Tyranids are exceptionally dangerous to Viltrumites, get a few genestealers into a Viltrumite city, and that whole world is done for. Same goes for Enslavers too, they do exactly what it sounds like they do, and they would immediately and permanently possess anyone who could threaten them in the setting. It's why the Imperium, if they are going to fight the Enslavers at all, needs to use massive numbers because it's harder for Enslavers to possess a legion as fast as they can take over single minds (though they are definitely capable of doing it). For the record this also goes for DBZ. I forgot about it on stream, but get Genestealers around the characters when they're sleeping, or Enslavers around them whenever, and that's it. Also Vegeta would 100% fall to Slaanesh. What's funny about his story about a Stellaris war crime is it's literally what the Orks were in the process of doing in the Beast Arises series. They probably weren't inspired by it (personally I think the Beast Arises is very poorly written), it's easy to come up with that stuff on your own, but I find it funny his example is something already done. Let's also not forget that one of 40k's common foods is "corpse starch" and everyone knows where that's from. Xelee Sequence and Gurenn Lagann are entirely fair. Regardless of how well/poorly they're written (Xelee sequence in particular varies wildly), they're more OP than everything but the Warp, which is 40k's win button since all outside laws cease to apply inside of the Warp.
The warp as a setting cuts both ways, it can both be the weakest and strongest point of 40k. The imperium being the cruelest most bloody regime imaginable loses its teeth when something far worse exists in the setting.
@@hang_kentang6709 The Warp isn't a regime, and that comment was made in regards to how the Imperium treats its people. By far it is the worst one in the setting for what it does to its own people, because even the Dark Eldar would not treat each other the way the Imperium treats its own citizens.
@@lich109 That's why i put the warp as a setting. Put any human civilizations in a setting where the warp exists, and they'll either turn out like the imperium or just die off. Also, the dark eldar treats their citizens better than the Imperium? the unrepented literal descendents of the space elves that tore a hole in reality? those guys?
Oh that's just not fair. If you want to nitpick specific versions of superman that has one specific weakness then I'll nitpick the most powerful versions of superman that exists. You know what, not just superman but some of if not the most powerful beings in all of DC. The Endless. Dream, Death, Destiny, Despair, Desire, Delirium and Destruction. These 7 beings are true conceptual beings that you CANNOT defeat. Even if you kill one aspect of them, they would just return in a new form. They exist in the Sphere of the Gods. "The Sphere of the Gods is a metaphysical reality whose inhabitants exist on a higher planes of existence than the inhabitants of the realities that make up the Orrery of Worlds, but on a lower plane of existence than the denizens of the realm known as the Monitor Sphere." Khorne would be nothing without Destruction. Tzeentch would be nothing without Destiny. Nurgle would be nothing without Death. Slaanesh would be nothing without Desire. The Chaos Gods aren't even real gods but the Endless are above gods. When Lucifer Morningstar left creation to make his own multiverse, Death showed up there anyway. "The Endless spend most of their time fulfilling their functions as embodiments of natural forces. For example, Death leads the souls of the dead away from the realm of the living, while Dream oversees the realm of dreams and imagination ("The Dreaming") and regulates dreams and inspiration." So without the Endless, there is nothing. Milkman Man, a version of Superman that exists within Retconn Corp. Retconn is the organization responsible for entertaining the Eonymous. If they fail, the Eonymous would destroy all of creation. "The primary consumers of this entertainment was the Eonymous, universe-destroying gods who could only be distracted with entertainment, never stopped." Retconn also has a device called "The Ultimate Fail-safe." A device that can wipe out the entire Overvoid. "The Overvoid is a massive cosmic consciousness above the Monitor Sphere and the Multiverse. It is an infinite, timeless white void within which the Omniverse floats, also known as Monitor-Mind." Don't even get me started on the Doom Patrol. The team that defeated Milkman Man and Retconn Corp. Cosmic Armor Superman has actual plot manipulation. CAS turns the Lord of Change into the Lord of Cringe. He defeated Mandrakk, a being with the power to unmake all of existence. Mandrakk is a corrupted Monitor. "The Monitors are a multiversal race charged with the protection of the Multiverse." CAS also resides in the Monitor Sphere "The Monitor Sphere is an archetypal realm and fundamental world where everything is more profound and absolute and was described as a realm of nothingness beyond the Multiverse, the Sphere of the Gods and even the Comic Book Limbo." "Comic Book Limbo is a place where obscure and unused comic characters reside when they are not in print. The residents realize they are fictional characters but most want nothing more than to be "written back" into the comics. If a character is lucky enough to escape Limbo by being written into a book, they forget their time in Limbo and that they are fictional. Animal Man once encountered this realm. Superman and his allies entered this realm during the Final Crisis. The Outsiders also visited it, searching for the lost members of Planetary." So yeah. There is no being in 40k that is powerful enough to defeat these characters who exist in a dimension so far above reality that they even see DC as fiction. The Chaos Gods has as much chance in corrupting anyone I've listed as they have in corrupting anyone in the real world. Which is ZERO. To us, Warhammer 40k is fiction. We cannot be touched by Chaos. Same goes for these characters.
@@crimsonfricker Which version of Superman isn't vulnerable to magic? Also the Endless would just be C'tan in 40k and likely be dealt with the same way since they are also aspects of the universe that cannot be killed, and you seem to have missed the part of the warp where "outside rules do not apply". It's 40k's win button for a reason.
This guy isn’t thinking the massive amount of genocide needed to defeat 40k. Most of the factions he says would win doesn’t have the character to do that.
unless Goku acts out off character, like if goku just went for the kill at top speed, Emps would have no time to prepare mind-killing attack, but in character Goku gets his monkey brain switched off
@@alterego9082 Hmmmm, fair point, unless Big E reads his mind freezes him in place and then deconstructs him on anatomical level. Because Goku can’t resist a conversation with Big E first.
@@alterego9082 Well I mean If we’re gonna do that, Tzeench could just come along and go “Is it a spear? Or is it just A pile of rocks floating gently into the warp?”
@@trentthehehim3936 except Tzeench cannot interfere with reality to that extend, and he as no feats proving that he could do it, while Xeelee can, do and would do such feats, Ring of Baldur is literally made of Galaxy Clusters
@@alterego9082 Dude. WARP STORMS. Lorgar is the reason why the galaxy was split in half ,before Cadia fell, back during the heresey. And that was before he ascended. 😂👍🏻
Spongebob Squarepants erased the entire universe by pulling on a string. Squarepants solos all of 40k then goes to work at the Krusty Krab the next morning.
I mean that's probably the real answer to all of this speculation
well, nothing beats cartoons, Popeye can rip dark matter off existence, get out of the paper and beat the heck out of the narrator
@@strawberin0 okay. but in the stellaris thing. he never included mods. he said the mods are even worse. but all the things he talked about are just part of the base game
One single Xeelee had the power to solo a whole galaxy, make weapons bigger than galaxies, overwrite life itself, force time to go backwards while you are conscious about it, grab literally anything that is "A Thing" and rewrite its purpose in the universe incluiding it's impact on the laws of physics that they wrote to satisfy its own needs and merge all your futures and pasts together to get crushed by gravity and ripped apart from every timeline at the same time.
"I have a feeling this is going to be a better comparison..."
*Morgan Freeman leaning in* "No... No it really, truly is not."
Usually evil supermen are copies or clones or alternat universes.
He's also apparently part... I forget the name, but basically things on a conceptual level, like Uncle Same. Beings beyond New and Old gods in DC Comics.
That bit on the Battletech map, how do they hold it? Very aggressively. IIRC it's currently basically the battle of the bulge right now, with the Combine trying to hold it, if not extend it to just cut off and isolate part of the FedSun's territory, and them trying to take it back.
Overpowered is relative. Both in the sense of "powerful compared to what" and in that it is subjective in the sense you are saying it. After all, there are people who would insist that something like McBeth or Hamlet have character too powerful, are too unrealistic in capabilities, or have scales and stakes too high. And there are people who love things like the xeelie sequence and Stellaris with the Gigastructures mod.
Yeah, honestly, as long as a story or setting is enjoyable who cares how ridiculous it gets. I think DC and Marvel are both best examples of that, you have some of the most busted stuff on the high end and some of it makes for a great stories while some of it makes for pretty bad stories. All depends on how the author actually uses and contextualizes things in his setting or story.
The entire point is not that that serious but he's ramping power.
And yes, in xeelee humans technically won against singular xeelee. And no it wasnt like we beat them. Imagine you buy a house, after lets say 10 years, ants in that property are just too damn annoying so you decide to move.. That is how humanity won against xeelee.. we had assault rifles that uses big-bang as ammo and we were so low in that particular xeelee that we were just annoyance.. and after 'winning' humanity decided that its not good to make us known anymore so humanity went into pocket dimensions to hide.. Yeah, species that shoots origin of universe out of assault rifles were so low of a species that they decided to hide.. and yea, xeelee as a species didnt know about this war.. its like if anthill was agressive on "steve's" property we dont care.. and like video says, even xeelee as a species were little more than a another angry anthill against their betters.
Whoever said you cant include mods in this mustve never played stellaris, because even vanilla outblows 40k by a vast margin
Xeelee Sequence is Wonderful, I've read all the books and I wish it was more popular its great
Xeelee Sequence, i think is the only sci-fy that can rival xinaxia on the higher end of power scaling. Not beat mind you, xianxia top end bodies the xeelee sequence easily, as minor comedic relief character pets have the same power lvl as the birds in xeelee sequence. But that is only the top end.
As a xianxia fan, finally finding a sci-fy that could rival xianxia was something I though impossible
Eh it has some meh books but I enjoyed Timelike Infinite and The one focusing on the ICoG is good
Okay update I enjoyed reading Resplendent
@@Mondy667 hell yeah my man!
I mean hey it dosnt matter what is canon it matters what universe has in its stories so yea star vs warhammer is a fair comparison i do really love that one fanficiton on youtube by fanwithtomuch time its really cool.
The black pants legion has a good intro video into Battletech called Battletech 101.
*my Battletech senses were tingling*
Edit: I highly recommend you watch his Do & Don't Battletech. It's a Universe much grander then 40K in terms of Lore and a IP older then it (it's celebrating it's 40th anniversary), all the capable of standing alongside any Sci-fi, but just had a run of bad luck with popularity due to legal issues.
I honestly might just do that. Being introduced to a new thing you never knew existed is fun!
@@strawberin0 If you like a setting that focuses on human conflict with giant robots, go for it. It is a fun setting.
40k is not Sci-Fi. It's Science Fantasy.
...Which is can still be a form of sci-fi
It's more of a Space Opera like Star Wars really.
fiction is fantasy with big words
Since he mentioned Halo in passing .. Low end halo is surviving in 40k keyword being surviving with the extended lore. High End Halo is bitch slapping the Chaos Gods. Because the Forerunners are about WIH Necrons / Old Ones/ C'tans level . Ancient humanity rivaled them. The Precursor are Transcendent HP Lovecraft Gods with no limits put on them.
40k is nowhere near the most overpowered setting in all of fiction. Is it the most BRUTAL though? Perhaps. I'm willing to give 40k that. Marvel and DC alone have plenty of characters that can unironically destroy the entirety of 40k with a snap. It's not even a question.
Superman did get "controlled" a couple of times but it's never permanent he ALWAYS breaks out of it. If a bunch or mortals like Grey Knights could resist the warp, Superman can as well. There is nothing chaos could offer to tempt Superman with. And no, don't bring in alternate versions of Superman. The main one, the OG, the prime Superman is not getting corrupted.
Definitely one of the most brutal. A mistake some people can make is trying to compare tech levels, saying that some universe would beat WH40k because they have better gear. But that's not where Imperium's strength lies, it lies in numbers. In its ability to drown the enemy in meat and metal. No one does the War of Attrition like the Imperium does.
@@HubiKoshi I agree. There are certain verses that technically have far superior tech than 40k. But the question is, with all their tech, could they realistically deal with ALL of 40k? Star Wars? No chance. Star Trek? No either. Yes, these verses have superior FTL travel but what matters is the FIREPOWER. The Death Stars (I'm counting both for the sake of the argument) are the strongest weapons we've seen in Star Wars. That's it. But compared to like the Xeelee Sequence where they have guns that shoot big bangs, 40k stands no chance. Dragonball has weird tech but you don't need those when there are individuals capable of blowing up stars, solar systems, galaxies on their own. And of course, DC and Marvel. You will never run out of characters in these verses that are capable of blowing up the entire 40k universe with a mere thought.
@@crimsonfricker Grey Knights CAN'T resist everything in the Warp, the difference is they always die before they fall, and they deliberately avoid hopeless fights even if it would save the lives of others. If Superman followed their example, he'd still be dead.
@@crimsonfrickerSure. Let's just forget how it would take a 40k ship over two weeks to match the same speeds that a Star Trek ship cruises at. While the show really downplays how bullshit ST ships are, make no mistake, it doesn't matter how much the firepower disparity is when 40k ships won't be able to touch them.
@@bean108 we're talking about fights here, not racing. if the competition was who could reach the farthest ends of the galaxy, other verses clearly win.
your little speech after the xeelee part really shows you failed to listen at all. the point of the xeelee series is that all of those things were considered possible. those powerful weapons are not made up. they could theorethically exist in real life
There are aspects of 40k that are. I mean... Literal gods and shit. Aside from some things, no. It's not that overpowered.
They're not literal gods, they are warp-based life forms. They can be created unnaturally, born naturally, need to eat, can be eaten, change and be changed, and grow and wane in power with the amount of support they get. Immensely powerful, absolutely. But absolutely untouchable and all powerful gods they aren't.
The scary part is that there are other sci-fi out there who won't even consider the chaos gods as an annoyance.
@@strilight Sorry, I know you didn't say, "Actually," but my mind automatically inserted it anyway.
@@strilight They literally are gods, in their domains they do have absolute authority, and when it comes to their strength, that is only relevant to each other because what strengthens one can weaken another.
It is stated over, and over, and over again in the setting they are gods, so disagreeing with the core books is just fanfic.
@@lich109all gods have absolute dominion in their domains but that doesn't make them omnipotent. In the warp the chaos gods are Supreme but take them out and they aren't even that strong compared to any other gods in fiction or any of the actual gods in mythology.
@@eltonsmith5410 Please point out where I said that makes them omnipotent.
My point is that they are literally gods in the setting and anyone who claims they aren't, is not familiar with the setting, or they are deliberately misrepresenting it.
Bro people be stealing suns.
At the battletech section "how do you even hold territory like this?" Well with their teleportation sending you light years away after a few days of charge up and instant communication throughout the galaxy, probably a bit more efficient than territories like this were held in our real world history lol
The part about powerscaling going through the stratosphere is why I like Jujutsu Kaisen. It's a setting where catching bullets and being able to punch through walls is still considered pretty impressive despite the existence of busted abilities like infinity.
Naaah JJK is not even that bad when it comes to powerscaling. All the rules and somewhat rock paper scissors nature of the power system make it way more fair, even if some busted shit does exist in-universe.
@@strawberin0 Yep. I like how stats wise, JJK characters are more down to earth compared to other verses, like there's barely any FTL bullshittery for example.
The problem with Dragonball is when your power level becomes high enough physics no longer apply to you. And you can just break anything right after obtaining the power of a god Goku and Beerus clashing alone nearly ripped apart their entire universe.
GUT means Grand Unified Theory by the way
The problem is, that engineer was specifically a badass. Unless you mean that everyone else in that setting, including several military groups, all sucked.
Also, those engineering tools were more effective than normal weapons due to the nature of necromorphs, and less important for anything that cares about moral, supply lines, or functional organs.
Oh damn a Saiyan Daemon Prince would be rad and I can totally imagine it happening. Say King Vegeta or Bardock making a deal with him for power to free his people from Frieza's control and then he leads his race on a galactic slaughter fest.
Two Sci-Fi settings I'd love to pit against WH40k is Empire from the Ashes by David Weber and the Bolo Series
In the Empire from the Ashes the Default capital ship class used is a Battle Planetoid. The first one we meet is disguised as our Moon and by the end of the second book the good guys have like a fifty or a hundred of those with more to come in the future. A battle planetoid could knock Death Star out and not even slow down. The primary armaments are countless missile launchers where thermonuclear warheads are the mid-point of ship killing. Above that you've got gravitonic and anti-matter warheads. If you thought Tau were bad with throwing accurate missiles at you from half the system away wait till you get hit by a weaponized Moon that can tear a planet apart with ease.
Bolo series meanwhile is primarily about the Bolos, gigantic, AI-driven tanks with the mentality of a chivalrous knight and enough firepower to blast spaceships out of orbit. Thick armor, forcefields and their main gun is a Hellbore cannon which is a fusion cannon firing blasts that are rated at megatons per second. They are very intelligent, tactical and fiercely loyal. I'd absolutely love to see them pitied against the Titans or Imperium's own super-heavy vehicles.
Hell yea. Love me some more 40K lore. :)
This whole video is basically someone who believed his favorite franchise was the most OP, only to find out they're a frog in a well. 🤣👌 Don't worry, I felt this way too after finding out how Overpowered SCP was. That's when I knew Power Scaling was BS as well.
With all the talk about SCP powerscaling, its hilarious that the Authors actualy hate those
overpowered, that implies balance
I like how Pancreas asks what a Bloodthirster would do to Superman, when it's very easy to find stories where Superman needed to go find a magic user to help him fight a demon because he's that weak to magic. Superman is very strong, but if he's up against somebody like a Lord of Change, my money isn't on Superman.
I mentioned the Tyranids vs the Viltrumites as a matchup that would crush the Viltrumites because the Tyranids modify themselves to beat whoever they're fighting against. If the Tyranids fought the Viltrumites, then after their first loss they'd evolve to be tougher, stronger, faster, and they'd create weapons powerful to cut through Viltrumites (they already exist in their own forms in both Invincible and 40k). Furthermore the Tyranids incorporate the DNA of their enemies to become stronger and since the Viltrumites are physical beings, it would not be hard for the Tyranids to begin copying their abilities. Even wiping out 100% of the attacking Tyranids would not help since they are a hive mind, so all of the other Tyranids would gain the knowledge of these new enemies and begin to learn how to counter them (or they'd get knowledge of their DNA if they managed to sufficiently harm or kill a Viltrumite and then study it). This also happens in 40k as well, where weird Tyranids have shown up that didn't previously exist because they were either born from the DNA of those they fought (Tyrant Guard for example came about from the Tyranids studying Space Marines) but since 40k doesn't have Viltrumites, and since Daemons are not physical beings, Tyranids have been unable to achieve the level of physical dominance that Viltrumites can achieve. This is also without talking about the really underhanded tactics the Tyranids use, if you want I can send you an old GW article thay goes over the stages of a Tyranid invasion. The gist of it is that you need to get rid of Tyranids as soon as they make landfall because if you don't, they begin to poison the entire environment. The atmosphere and food become unbreathable and poisonous to all life that isn't an Ork (and even then you can argue on it), and since Viltrumites do need to breathe, that would absolutely take them down, especially since there's also Tyranids that specialise in airborne poisons/pathogens.
Yes Viltrumites can hold their breath for a very long time, but I think the fact that Tyranids are known both for poisoning the environment to render it uninhabitable, and for hiding deep underground for extended periods of time, would mean they could force Viltrumites to give up the planets they manage to land on.
This is also before we get to Genestealers. Genestealer claws are known to cut through anything and everything, and they are also known for psychically hijacking other species. If a Genestealer sneaks up behind you (which they are exceptionally good at) and manages to get the back of your neck, you're done. You now work for and worship the Tyranids either willingly or unwillingly, and any kids you have will be infused with both your DNA and Tyranid DNA. Likewise they will also worship the Tyranids, and so will any kids they have, etc. This is another reason why Tyranids are exceptionally dangerous to Viltrumites, get a few genestealers into a Viltrumite city, and that whole world is done for.
Same goes for Enslavers too, they do exactly what it sounds like they do, and they would immediately and permanently possess anyone who could threaten them in the setting. It's why the Imperium, if they are going to fight the Enslavers at all, needs to use massive numbers because it's harder for Enslavers to possess a legion as fast as they can take over single minds (though they are definitely capable of doing it).
For the record this also goes for DBZ. I forgot about it on stream, but get Genestealers around the characters when they're sleeping, or Enslavers around them whenever, and that's it.
Also Vegeta would 100% fall to Slaanesh.
What's funny about his story about a Stellaris war crime is it's literally what the Orks were in the process of doing in the Beast Arises series. They probably weren't inspired by it (personally I think the Beast Arises is very poorly written), it's easy to come up with that stuff on your own, but I find it funny his example is something already done. Let's also not forget that one of 40k's common foods is "corpse starch" and everyone knows where that's from.
Xelee Sequence and Gurenn Lagann are entirely fair. Regardless of how well/poorly they're written (Xelee sequence in particular varies wildly), they're more OP than everything but the Warp, which is 40k's win button since all outside laws cease to apply inside of the Warp.
The warp as a setting cuts both ways, it can both be the weakest and strongest point of 40k. The imperium being the cruelest most bloody regime imaginable loses its teeth when something far worse exists in the setting.
@@hang_kentang6709 The Warp isn't a regime, and that comment was made in regards to how the Imperium treats its people. By far it is the worst one in the setting for what it does to its own people, because even the Dark Eldar would not treat each other the way the Imperium treats its own citizens.
@@lich109 That's why i put the warp as a setting. Put any human civilizations in a setting where the warp exists, and they'll either turn out like the imperium or just die off. Also, the dark eldar treats their citizens better than the Imperium? the unrepented literal descendents of the space elves that tore a hole in reality? those guys?
Oh that's just not fair. If you want to nitpick specific versions of superman that has one specific weakness then I'll nitpick the most powerful versions of superman that exists. You know what, not just superman but some of if not the most powerful beings in all of DC.
The Endless. Dream, Death, Destiny, Despair, Desire, Delirium and Destruction. These 7 beings are true conceptual beings that you CANNOT defeat. Even if you kill one aspect of them, they would just return in a new form. They exist in the Sphere of the Gods. "The Sphere of the Gods is a metaphysical reality whose inhabitants exist on a higher planes of existence than the inhabitants of the realities that make up the Orrery of Worlds, but on a lower plane of existence than the denizens of the realm known as the Monitor Sphere." Khorne would be nothing without Destruction. Tzeentch would be nothing without Destiny. Nurgle would be nothing without Death. Slaanesh would be nothing without Desire. The Chaos Gods aren't even real gods but the Endless are above gods. When Lucifer Morningstar left creation to make his own multiverse, Death showed up there anyway.
"The Endless spend most of their time fulfilling their functions as embodiments of natural forces. For example, Death leads the souls of the dead away from the realm of the living, while Dream oversees the realm of dreams and imagination ("The Dreaming") and regulates dreams and inspiration." So without the Endless, there is nothing.
Milkman Man, a version of Superman that exists within Retconn Corp. Retconn is the organization responsible for entertaining the Eonymous. If they fail, the Eonymous would destroy all of creation. "The primary consumers of this entertainment was the Eonymous, universe-destroying gods who could only be distracted with entertainment, never stopped." Retconn also has a device called "The Ultimate Fail-safe." A device that can wipe out the entire Overvoid. "The Overvoid is a massive cosmic consciousness above the Monitor Sphere and the Multiverse. It is an infinite, timeless white void within which the Omniverse floats, also known as Monitor-Mind."
Don't even get me started on the Doom Patrol. The team that defeated Milkman Man and Retconn Corp.
Cosmic Armor Superman has actual plot manipulation. CAS turns the Lord of Change into the Lord of Cringe. He defeated Mandrakk, a being with the power to unmake all of existence. Mandrakk is a corrupted Monitor. "The Monitors are a multiversal race charged with the protection of the Multiverse." CAS also resides in the Monitor Sphere "The Monitor Sphere is an archetypal realm and fundamental world where everything is more profound and absolute and was described as a realm of nothingness beyond the Multiverse, the Sphere of the Gods and even the Comic Book Limbo."
"Comic Book Limbo is a place where obscure and unused comic characters reside when they are not in print. The residents realize they are fictional characters but most want nothing more than to be "written back" into the comics. If a character is lucky enough to escape Limbo by being written into a book, they forget their time in Limbo and that they are fictional. Animal Man once encountered this realm. Superman and his allies entered this realm during the Final Crisis. The Outsiders also visited it, searching for the lost members of Planetary."
So yeah. There is no being in 40k that is powerful enough to defeat these characters who exist in a dimension so far above reality that they even see DC as fiction. The Chaos Gods has as much chance in corrupting anyone I've listed as they have in corrupting anyone in the real world. Which is ZERO. To us, Warhammer 40k is fiction. We cannot be touched by Chaos. Same goes for these characters.
@@crimsonfricker Which version of Superman isn't vulnerable to magic?
Also the Endless would just be C'tan in 40k and likely be dealt with the same way since they are also aspects of the universe that cannot be killed, and you seem to have missed the part of the warp where "outside rules do not apply". It's 40k's win button for a reason.
Imperator titan enters the battlefield
Has nothing on most of the verses mentioned here.
Xelee nightfighter: have you considered that I do not care for your existence?
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This guy isn’t thinking the massive amount of genocide needed to defeat 40k. Most of the factions he says would win doesn’t have the character to do that.
To certain factions/audiences, an repelled invasion from "insert 40k faction here" will count as a win (or loss if you are pro-40k) all the same.
Big E CAN beat Goku.
unless Goku acts out off character, like if goku just went for the kill at top speed, Emps would have no time to prepare mind-killing attack, but in character Goku gets his monkey brain switched off
@@alterego9082 Hmmmm, fair point, unless Big E reads his mind freezes him in place and then deconstructs him on anatomical level. Because Goku can’t resist a conversation with Big E first.
@@trentthehehim3936 thats what i mean, in charcter Goku
This is TOTALLY biased. 😂 40k bodies everything he listed.
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Xeelee could take a neighbour galaxy, turn it into a spear and send it towards milky way, what could 40k do to them?
@@alterego9082 Well I mean If we’re gonna do that, Tzeench could just come along and go “Is it a spear? Or is it just A pile of rocks floating gently into the warp?”
@@trentthehehim3936 except Tzeench cannot interfere with reality to that extend, and he as no feats proving that he could do it, while Xeelee can, do and would do such feats, Ring of Baldur is literally made of Galaxy Clusters
@@alterego9082 Dude. WARP STORMS. Lorgar is the reason why the galaxy was split in half ,before Cadia fell, back during the heresey. And that was before he ascended. 😂👍🏻