Corbyn, Labour and the Communists I So What You're Saying Is
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- Опубликовано: 10 дек 2024
- Peter Whittle sits down with author and historian Giles Udy to discuss the themes explored in his book "Labour And The Gulag: Russia and the Seduction of the British Left".
Udy also explains how these associations are not exclusively matters of history but are still very much with us today. Jeremy Corbyn's inner circle includes figures from the hard left, including those affiliated with the communist party.
Udy explains how Britain’s Labour Party was seduced by the promise of a socialist utopia and enamoured of the Russian Communist system it sought to emulate. He discusses the moral compromises Labour made, and how it turned its back on the people in order to further its own political agenda.
For example, the Labour Party welcomed the Russian Revolution in 1917, excused the Bolshevik excesses and prepared for its own revolution in Britain.
This explains the the then Labour government's reaction in 1929, when Stalin deported hundreds of thousands of men, women and children to work in labour camps. Subjected to appalling treatment, thousands died. When news of the camps leaked out in Britain, there were protests demanding the government ban imports of timber cut by slave labourers.
The Labour government dismissed mistreatment claims as Tory propaganda and blocked appeals for an inquiry. Despite the Cabinet privately acknowledging the harsh realities of the work camps, Soviet denials were publicly repeated as fact. One Labour minister even defended them as part of ‘a remarkable economic experiment’.
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Peter pls do an interview with Robin Tilbrook,
who as you must be aware is fighting in the Courts
for Democracy in this Country !
He is having one hell of a fight with regards to Judges etc.
He appears to gave been blacklisted by MSM .
Whilst Gina Millers case proceeds to be reported on continually
by MSM .
Robin is an honourable man and is at present a voice in the
wilderness, so to speak !! He needs your Channels help
in getting his message out there, that the UK actually
left EU on 29th March 2019, by default !!!!!!
Everything appears to be rigged against his legal
challenge , by the Courts !!!!!!
🇬🇧👏🇬🇧👏 Thank you Peter 👏🇬🇧👏🇬🇧
@@orlas5861 sBn tv
I was always a labour supporter blind I guess had no idea about its history and the covering up of the murder of thousands of people in the gulags.
However the recent innovation of Progressive politics and identity politics coming out of the Labour Party has been enough to turn me off completely. Thank you for this brilliant and shocking.
Calm Geraldine, Any extreme ideology uninhibited leads to ruin. Stalin, Alexander the great, poll pot, Hitler, Richard the lion heart, Churchill, Mao, Obama, Elizabeth 1st, Queen Victoria and Marie Antoinette all did good, and bad. Luckily in this democracy we get to vote for the least undesirable. If we could only get our politicians to have that tattooed on their foreheads.
The Labour Party of the 1950s and 60s was quite different to the Blairite New Labour. Most of Blairs lot had never done a proper days work in their life. Don't forget, there were several million people who had just fought a war and, frankly, weren't frightened of much as can be seen by the way trade unions grew. Equal in war, equal in peace
@@nickjung7394 Why should hard working, ambitious people be EQUAL to feckless, lazy thickos (not all but many Labour voters).
Youre very easily convinced. Torys sells weapons to Ssudia Arabia who support Isis. Corbyn wanted to stop it!
@@JfK--OBJECTivE Some exploit the syatem...claim they cant work tho they can. Tories back rich who claim they cant pay a fair wage and who hide money in offshore accounts. Who do you think abuses the system the most?
The better insight here than any TV.
I came across a quote of Margaret Thatchers recently... ‘The problem with socialism is, You eventually run out of other people’s money’.
The beer anology 🍺👌
This the same Thatcher who presided over two recessions and 3.8 million unemployed?
Maggie who was quite friendly with Pinochet? That one ? Govts of all fashions are always good with other people’s money . Tax is theft . The rich worked that one out years ago .
I must buy this book. Such an interesting guest and I thank you for this posting.
Terrifying. Thank you Mr Whittle for setting up these discussions and informing people of the truth-this is priceless (not to mention timely). Far too many are complacent in their ignorance.
The name of the show is courtesy of Cathy Newman.
Yes indeed... :- )
So what your saying is, Cathy Newman is the Lobster...
So you're saying Cathy Newman is someone we should listen to?
Thanks for this, it supports the research I have done already. This should be on TV and shared nationwide if you do not want communism
More voter's should watch this, obviously it won't pop up on your I phone on the way to work, but if you care about the country you and your children it's telling the truth about the labour party
@@sunnyjim1355 its a fantastic channel.
One thing's for sure, it certainly won't be on the BBC.
Fascinating. Thank you.
One of my wife´s relatives was the secret police chief for a major Eastern European city. By all accounts, this person was cold and calculating, and cared more for communist dogma than they did for people. They also had servants live in the apartment with them to cater for all their needs. Mind you, it was this connection that enabled my mother in law to go to the west and be able to return to her homeland every now and then.
I have a friend of a friend of a friend who swears Margaret Thatcher was a Fascist sympathiser, she even invited Pinochet to No.10 for a cuppa!
@@garryrobson8058 Wife´s grandmother in Yugoslavia.
@@garryrobson8058 well said sir! I always like a fascist putdown...and boy do the tories deserve it.....not a critical thinker amongst their supporters either
You really can't raise a serious argument and nor can Robson. Both idiots and neither of you a critical thinker otherwise you would see that left wing regimes lead to ideological despotism.
Interesting talk. Looking forward to future interviews.
What's even more sad than this whole story is that we're not taught about it
I just ordered Giles’ book - brilliant presentation
more money than sense...
This was a very good talk. One of my favourite internet channels.
Watching this just after the December 2019 defeat. Wow the UK dodged a bullet there.
Exactly. Thank god.
Yeah, looks like it now...
I absolutely love this show.
Jesus - this series is brilliant
brightonduder what’s Jesus got to do with the commies?
Eye opening interview.
Very good thanks
It would be nice, if possible, to encourage Giles Udy to put more material up of his own on RUclips I for one would happily spend hours watching him speak!
The word (economic) experiment crops up several times here. We shouldn't forget that these "experiments", "only" economic as they may have been, were actually experiments performed on humans in large numbers. I think there is at least a parallel with the "experiments" performed by the Nazis.
Great interviewing technique Peter something a lot of mainstream broadcasters could learn from. Reminds me of Parkinson, as you allow the guest to actually speak at length allowing their ideas to be heard. Great.
No, no, no, no, no, the whole point of an interview - as anyone who watches the BBC knows - is to harry and demean a guest to the point that noone has any idea what they've been trying to say besides knowing they must be a wrong 'un for the interviewer to treat them that way. Unless of course they're on the left or our European masters, then the are fed prompts to give them a platform for their ex-catedra pronouncements, and we should all be grateful.
I remember when BBC interviews - of whoever - edified people.
An excellent and very informative discussion. I've just ordered a copy of Giles Udy's book.
A pleasant surprise. Thanks for this interview. An extraordinary and crystal clear exposé by Giles Udy, data and fact driven, with logic and sanity to put it all together. I did not expect this for many of the video's I saw on this channel were inarticulate ramblings and babbles by conservative philosophers who managed to hide the mix-up of their vague, entangled, conflated ideas behind posh or intimidating words in their answers, in their books or from their Cambridge lecterns. I don't want to insult anybody but you can easily pick out the self-indulgent types yourself who are safely ensconced in their family trusts and find themselves justified, from that, to utter one falsehood after another, one unrealistic idea after another - a bit like the politicians who are in power these days.
I’m enjoying these interviews, but could you please date stamp the titles - for your audience to place in a time frame, and for your own archiving. Thanks
My parents where communists until the 50's when the UK communists dropped democracy out of their party's vocabulary. Very knowledgeable man on the history of the UK, Soviet and European left.
Thank you gentleman!
Udy should definitely be invited back for parts two, three... I was just getting into that. The whole New Left era, postmodern mutation etc.
I agree. We needed to see how Marxist ideology developed over time within Labour and how the party morphed into the form it is now, run by the despicable Momentum ideologues.
@@cgawainf4785 Must remember it was Tony Blair of the 3rd way, who took the UK to war in Iraq with all its dire consequences.
When will PW interview the political dissident that wrote "Enemy of the State"?
You mean the multiple convicted criminal who uses a fake name?
@@Bacon4Rashers You have convicted criminals voting in Parliament.
Are you braindead? Or are you some bias far-lefti?
Life changing interview, thank you.
What a fascinating insight
deeply interesting interview.....please have Giles back on another occasion! went far too quickly! Thank you......
Extremely interesting talk. Also very disturbing when you hear how Labour governments ignored the vile treatment of the people in the USSR. This talk has also given me a very new perspective on George Bernard Shaw. I do know that a few of our most historically well-known authors were proponents of Eugenics. As well as Shaw , HG Wells and Charles Dickens were both advocates.
Not to mention the Guardian, still pumping out the lies imo
Corbyn hated Blair coming to power in the Labour party and was sickened by the removing of Clause 4 from the manifesto. He and Livingstone wanted to leave the Labour Party but Tony Benn said "Socialists dont walk away."
Well - I've been binge watching your videos for the last few hours and I'm in danger of becoming woke !
be careful with your words, these days "woke" means divorcing rationality, logic, reason and reallity and buying into the leftist narative and becoming a sjw. put it this way, you're get close to your "road to damascus momment" and are starting to see things for what they really are for the first time.
Take the Red Pill instead. ;)
Excellent as always. Thank you!
So pleased I stumbled across this, this helps to explain why I have found Corbyn and his inner circle so distasteful, I thought I disliked him simply for his love of the IRA, Iran ect and his hate of Jews but I now realise its for his communist ideology as well.
The Labour Party (especially now) have fallen so far below my voting threshold that I will never believe a word they say.
John S....you are not very well informed, though if your source of knowledge about Corbyn is via the right wing press then of course you'll hold those views because that is the propaganda they produced exactly for your reaction, because on a political level the tories can't argue against him. You've actually become a very willing slave to fascism! for your info. Corbyn is not an IRA lover, he merely spoke to them as he did with the UDA, and the IRA no longer exist or are relevant anyway. He does not love Iran he merely had dialogue and questioned the propaganda of the day that demonised Iran and still does! the fact you state he hates jews, is pathetic. you know of course that it is the nasty Israeli fascist junta, who murder Palestinians daily, who he dislikes and not jews. You're so pathetically wrong it's hard not to laugh at your alacrity to swallow right wing propaganda. I find it quite refreshing in a sense to realise that his detractors are not smart enough to be able to critically think beyond the propaganda they are fed. I must be enlightened or something
The irony of course is that Johnson has done the IRA's work for them by handing NI over to the Irish Republic...I'll bet given time they'll sing songs about Bojo in Irish pubs...to the tune of Humpty Dumpty...
@@paulbattenbough1002 I don't know why you bother with any of these deluded idiots, Paul - their minds are so messed up with prejudice and ignorance - they have swallowed the mainstream media poison and now have completely lost their minds - they may be gloating over their election victory now, but they won't be laughing when this buffoon Johnson drags this country into the war with Iran
This is the kind of history that needs to be taught in schools and universities in the of the world
Especially the UK .
Good to hear what actually goes on in politics, the bits we don't get to know.
Superb conversation!
Yes, complete idiots talking to each other in their own little echo chamber
Ideologues are very dangerous individuals.
Some other man said this here
And I agree with you.
Am a Conservative Christian
And I do believe in Social Welfare and protecting nature.
I mean Good God,
I do not know who I am!
😣
This is the by far the best discussion about communists in UK politics I've came across on video so far.
Very informative.
This discussion leaves out what I have always thought was a key point in the development of "leftism"in Britain: the Great War. I, as a young student at Cambridge in the 60s, knew lots of "old" communists.....men and women in their late 60s, early 70s...academics, writers, all sorts. The one thing they all shared was they had all been traumatised by the War in ways that were unique in a way...people born and raised in Victorian or edwardian times....horses and tranquil childhoods for most(tho not all) travelling at the age of 18 on familiar trains to be delivered up, overnight almost, into a hell of mechanised carnage for which nothng, nothing at all, had prepared them. For 4 years and 3 months. Horrendous meat grinder. We cannot get back to that experience but I would say that many of them had been driven slightly mad by it, hardened to death, inoculated against grief. And who was to blame? Many blamed Capitalism, huge industrial wealth that bought and sold politicians and all got rich splashing through the blood of young people. And they thought in a better world the ordinary people, the workers, would rule because they would never do such things. Communism seemed like a dream of a happy and peaceful world to many a 19 year old reading about the October Revolution in Russia looking across a morass of mud, body parts, some fresh some churned up from 1915...or 1916. Sympathy for those who they blamed was in short supply....How could they know then what fresh horrors communism would bring? In 1917 on the western front it would have been impossible to imagine anything worse.
This is an excellent interview.
Brilliant and it is a worry that there are too many who do not even remotely understand the potential problem.
He says that people are drawn to socialism out of a need to help the poor and needy. You vote socialist and you will end up with all the poor and needy you could ever wish for.
Giles Udy is spot on. A few have chosen to study the real story.
Extremely informative and interesting 👏👏👏🇬🇧🇬🇧
This gentleman sounds like he is speaking of the lunacy in South Africa
Excellent show.
The public needs to be told about Active measures in the West ,and what it has produced .
Very interesting. We need this quality of historical analysis on mainstream media. On a domestic note, does anyone know what would these enormous quantities of imported Siberian timber have been used for in UK?
What kills most people is IGNORANCE and confusion and spreading that IGNORANCE and confusion !!!
With the present banking system 'property is theft'.
He can explain until he is blue, or bluer perhaps, in the face.
I'm far from being a communist but I live in the area of the former Fife coal fields and that is where the Scottish Communist party was strong. The last elected communist was Willie Clarke who had to sit officially as an independent due to Ballot Paper regulations but Willie described himself as a Communist. You would search long and hard to find a more honest man and a councillor of as much integrity. Willie was re-elected for several decades.
Would that some of the Conservatives currently in office at Westminster had a fraction of Willie's honesty and integrity. No one had a bad word for Willie. There was no partition to have an, "Honour", removed from Willie and Willie never cause the death of anyone far less the many thousands who have died from current Conservative party policies.
As I said, I am far from being a communist but if I have to choose between a Commie or a Tory the Commie is going to win hands down. I never though at my age, I'm an octogenarian, I would be ashamed of being a UK person but I am ashamed to be a citizen in the Tory led United Kingdom.
Well said
even australian labour are saying corbyn is a 60s communist
Trotskyist actually.
@@manolisgledsodakis873 A complete piece of 💩!
Love this channel and catching up on old videos but this is the perfect example of what I sometimes feel... this was too short! 1 hour would have been great!
I have fought communism for 55 years! i'm now 77 years old? I was a member of the labour party until Corbyn was launched by Jon Lansman as Labours leader
Whilst the causes of the Soviet Union's collapse - and more specifically its satellite regimes, are naturally numerous and prohibitively complicated there's one in particular that likely makes embittered socialists/communists even more bitter.
I'm referring to the fact that, by the late 80's, most of the aforementioned satellite states were facing insolvency. A cruel irony of this instituonal fiscal mismanagement though was that Communist Poland, the DDR et al had all accrued considerable debt via heavy lending from _western capitalist banks_ .
Put simply, by the bitter end much of Communist Eastern Europe was being propped up considerably with capitalist money - money they eagerly borrowed in vast quantities lest we forget. When your decaying, oppressive country is being, in part, inadvertently funded by your sworn enemy, your ideology is as bankrupt as your regime...
....but let me guess though, those regimes weren't practicising proper/real/actual/pure/magical Communism....amirite?!
They'll get it right next time though 😂
As a general rule of thumb, the end is determined by the means.
If the labour party win the general election it’s quite simple. The Conservative party should refuse to leave office on the grounds that the electorate didn’t know what it was voting for. Parliament then spends the next three years arguing over whether they are right to do this or not. Eventually we have another election in which we repeat the whole exercise again. Meanwhile the citizens of the UK who do useful jobs such as farmers, teachers, doctors, nurses, policemen, council workers, (I could go on, but I expect they all know who they are), get on with their work, keep the country running, while the useless people in parliament and in the media talk away to them selves about themselves.
The useful citizens of the UK will then soon realise that the country continues to function perfectly normally without the useless people in Parliament & the media.
What a stupid proposal - go back and take your medication dear boy.
I suggested to a friend , a senior bureaucrat, that some government services ( in her case, public transport) be split and compete for government funding based their level of services to the public. She looked at me as if I was dangerously insane, I tried to say they could remain government owned but she hasn't spoken to me since. For many on the left any form of accountability is heresy, they certainly don't care about the pubic or the poor.
Marx believed that Socialism was a stage in a progress toward Communism.
No he didn't, Communism wasn't even fucking invented until he died.
@@vidiveniviciDCLXVI "The goal of socialism is communism."
............Vladimir Lenin
@@lickspittle1 Right? Marx died in 1883 and Vladimir Lenin was born in 1870, you telling me Lenin invented Communism when he was 13?
he also refered to religion being the opium of the masses...so even Marx got something right...
@Daniel Jones, "you telling me..." no, he's _correcting_ your ignorance Dan, as you well know! ;)
Still, frantically shifting those metaphorical goalposts _always_ works as a face-saving distraction....
Probably.
Its strange how characters like Shaw have made their fortunes through capitalistic means, they bite the hand and go all self righteous. Its all about giant egos, the need to be right. I would imagine Corbyn has this terrible need for virtue.
Shaw is not buried in Westminster Abbey. He was cremated, and his ashes scattered in his garden.
Please all you devoted followers of Mr Corbin listen to what you’re saying is .with Peter Whittle talking to Gilles Udy
I've heard others make this distinction between social democracy and democratic socialism, and I think using these labels this way is confusing. It makes it very easy for the more aggressive socialists to interchange the terms, and if people think, "Oh, well I like social democracy," then they could end up voting for the more aggressive form without realizing it. I've been using the terms synonymously for "socialism with voting," because in my mind I think what's the difference between social democracy and democratic socialism, just in their etymology? I'd suggest that if the Left wants a more honest dialogue that they come up with a different term for "controlled capitalism."
What do you think is the difference between the "socialism" or communism of those times and the doctrine of the "health crisis" of today? Is there any?
Socialism is a transitory process towards communism
Cathy Newman should never use that phrase again, after being ridiculed by Jordan Peterson when she tried to put words in his mouth.
I’m surprised she is still employed in fact .
So what you are saying is that cathy Newman should be promoted
"after being ridiculed by Jordan Peterson"
That's the delicious irony though; in truth Peterson exerted negligable effort against Cathy, she humiliated _herself_ .
64 socialists give a thumbs down with their capitalist iphone on capitalist youtube, probably whilst sat in Starbucks.
I bet when the 29 labour govt was importing timber they voluntarily overpaid.
Jeremy "Bring It On!" Corbyn.
Capitalist: Socialism is the enemy
Socialist: Capitalism is the enemy
Both statements are true.
Social Democracy is presented as an attempt to overcome this dilemma. However, given the nature of a fiat money system (debt-based, compound-interest, fractional reserve), over time it automatically leads to:
à money circulating in asset circles, away from where it is really needed, leading to
à inflated prices, accumulation around net capital ownership
à increased monetary stress among more members of the population
à social division and dysfunction
Fiat money systems have their uses but unless debts are written off occasionally, the above is inevitable, whatever the declared intentions of Social Democracy might be.
I think we shouldn't be suprised by the politics in the UK, Karl Marx is buried here after all...
Very well made points regarding the great evil that is Socialism->Communism
Another good book on the psychology of the left is Jamie Glazov's book: United In Hate (The Left's Romance With Tyranny & Terror).
"United in Hate" ??? More like the psychology of the Conservative party and the mindset of most of you posting your bullshit up here
*Make sure to use your VOTE and **_clean out the Marxist swamp_** Election Day 12th December - here is your chance !*
Any system no mater what its called, take power from people and make them dependant on the state is corrupt.
'a world where inequality and social division was very pronounced, quite unlike our own.' oh really? I'm looking forward to a guest who will explain why some people still cling to the idea that capitalism is good for everyone and provides a sustainable environment; might be a long wait.
Equality is an idiotic way to judge a society. If the poor are well off enough to live comfortably, but the super wealthy are a billion fold richer. Who cares?. Wealth isn't a zero sum game. The wealth of the rich doesn't come from a set size pie. It is created by the rich and therefor is a good in itself.
Where is the omelette indeed!
Capitalism and socialism can be hijacked by power. Which is the case right now for capitalism. What we need is a balance between the 2.
Socialism the gay cousin of communism
I find it interesting this fellow says, Those not On the Left have very little intellectual arguments for their political ideas! Took MY breath away......Perhaps he could spend a bit more time among the Conservatives with another book?
Is that why the Daily Mail published the Zinoiev Letter to save us from Ramsay MacDonald's Socialists? Hurrah for the Blackshirts...
....Never let anyone convince you that trite 'whataboutery' _doesn't_ automatically win arguments/debates.....
It's far funnier for the rest of us that way. ;)
Marx also refered to religion as the opium of the people...
Today opium is the religion of the "people"...
@@jeanmanuforti Wrong - it is advertising and propaganda that are the opiates of the masses
Norway is a socialist country and is one of the wealthiest countries in the world and has one of the happiest mots equal populations in the world. In the mean time 19 people every day on the streets of London. But that's OK right?
Norway is social democratic.
@@saxglend9439 Indeed. So then not all forms of socialism is bad then.
@@redknight1825 All EU countries are social democracies. Capitalism funds their healthcare/welfare.
"Capitalism is okay, but it needs to be carefully controlled so it's fairer..."
Capitalism is a system of voluntary trade. If it's controlled then it's not voluntary therefore it's not Capitalism. What is it? It is a mixed economy. So if you say capitalism is not working, you're are wrong. You ought to be saying a mixed economy is not working. Which would be true.
And if a mixed economy is not working, you must advocate complete (State) control or complete freedom whilst protecting individual rights. Because fraud and/or coercion are not voluntary.
Regulation if it's to be voluntary would be private regulations which individuals can choose to sign up to, or not.
What utter rubbish !
Where is the omelette?
Communism=free love.
Share your wife,partner zee, zur & all other pronouns
Obviously history has not been taught well in schools for the past 20 to 30 odd years. Had it been we wouldn’t be seeing so many idiot students campaigning for Labour with hammer and sickle flags.
Nonsense - you know little of history of the last 50 years - give it a rest will you - this is getting boring
Not the same worry, now :)
What ever happened to the popular front of judea?
What socialist countries have a better standard of living than say America or Britain?
Peter, you state that "Dianne Abbott said that on balance, Chairman Mao did more good than harm - quote". That is wrong or at the very least, badly out of context; she actually said "I suppose some people would judge that on balance, Chairman Mao did more good than harm". I'm no fan of Dianne Abbott but on this point, I'm disappointed: your standards are usually much higher than this.
I don't like any Marxist except ones that are Grouchy 🤣😂🤣😂😂(Groucho Marx). The one who said I wouldn't want to be in a club that wanted me!
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morning star = (cult of) venus
Lucifer
Books you both have not read.