Very nice comparison and testing. One thing to consider when thinking about using such a chain is that it is very unlikely the link a thief is trying to cut or grind will be held as solid as it is in your vise. It will likely be loose, which adds to the cut resistance somewhat.
I would like to see chain manufactures put some kind of sleeve on these chains that is not just protective of the bike but works somewhat like chainsaw chaps in that they are both cut resistant and will foul up any power tools used on it.
I would like a law that theves will be stripped bare and horse whipped in the town square. Public flogging would put an end to this nonsense. The whips can be made of Kevlar and leather for a stiffer snap as it cuts through the flesh! You would once agein be able to leave you doors unlocked, like when I was a kid and people feared God ,the police where respected and jails where full of actual criminals.
Why does PEWEG not make an insertable-end chain end link just like ABUS; with different lengths. Say, 6ft, 8ft, and 10ft ? I would certainly invest on such a chains, if there were available.
Could you do some 1/4in chain tests. As a biker hauling around 1/2in chain is a bit much. I currently use 3/8th cable but I know it would be very easy for someone to come through with a pair of side cutters and take it off in no time.
Hello Wayne, I have a question: Pewag offers the 12mm Chain in Europe with a Viro Panzer padlock. Can you comment on the quality of the Viro lock? Many thanks
What size is this chain? What size is the bolt cutters? Abus sells all sorts of security chain versions. 10KS model with 3/8" thickness? 12KS with 1/2" thickness? 14KS with 9/16" thickness? I have the Abus 10KS 2 foot chain with ABUS 20/70 Diskus and also the Kryptonite NY cinch chain lock (12mm six-sided chain made of triple heat-treated boron manganese steel). If it takes 5 minutes to make 1 cut with the bolt cutter, it will probably take another 5 minutes to make another cut on that same link for 10 minutes total. It looks like it needs 2 cuts to fully break the chain. Add more minutes if the chain is off the ground like 1.5 foot off the ground (bike frame and wheel) and even lot more minutes if it is the bike top tube (3 feet off the ground). Majority of thieves use small or medium size bolt cutters. Keep the chain higher helps avoid some leverage but you won't be able to lock up the rear wheel.
My guess is it was 10ks in this video, Bennett’s an insurance company in the uk tested a 12ks square and hexagonal but it barely put a dent in it, they also tested a 10ks that lasted more than 4 minutes with 42’ croppers.
I got the 14KS chain that is larger than that one from Abus, I ground down the edges of the last link down on the sides, until it would slip through the other end loop, then I stuck a Abus 37/80 lock on it, and I feel it is very secure
I'm just wondering why, if you need a thick shackle above 13mm, why not just use a u-lock, as you could have a u-lock that is relatively light (say 2 kg) but has a shackle of say 18mm?
@@alantaylor6691 becouse a chain is more versátile in the meaning that Beeing larger you are able to attatch it to a wide amount of threes or thiker objetcs. Rememeber that not avery place is suitable for the u lokcs.
Nice vids on the chain really appreciate the time spent to lock cut and grind. Any chance that you have tested the pragamis protector chain 19mm, kryptonite chain fuggetabuit chain and lock. I know chains and locks can be cut just looking for which ones make it difficult and take a long time...thanks a million..
@@TubeYou7 I am sure security chain company's are upping there game. Theft is plagging the U.S. And will only get worse as Biden allows open borders from the 3rd world. How can you survive in America when you are here illegal with O education and a 2 bedroom apartment is $2,200 a month. Gas is over $5.00 a gallon. And health insurance is $1,400 a month and you haven't eaten yet or paid your utilities? Thanks to Joe Biden and Newsom.
Just purchased the vkk12x45 chain and the mul t sliding bolt 12mm padlock, rather expensive and £140 hope it's good and keeps my bike safe need to get a decent disc lock now aswell any recommendations? Regards William
Good videos brother. I just got an Abus 37RK/80 covered shackle lock. Would you happen to know if a 1/2" square security chain can be used with it or do you think a 3/8" square security chain would be the biggest? Thanks for any help. I just subscribed.
You could zip through these with a plasma cutter, correct? I'm not saying it would be totally feasible depending on situation/location, but it would be the absolute fastest way, yes?
I get 1, 000 emails and people posting on my videos with questions. I get to 99% of the but some slip through the cracks. I don't have a plasma cutter so I'm not familiar with there capabilities. I have not tried it. I do know you need 110 power to run one and not ever bike is parked next to an outlet.....
the videos i've seen the last 10 minutes changed my mind about abbus. All of their products are cuttable/pickable(easy with basic tools). Thanks for the heads up. Im gonna try find something more secure for my bike.
+Wayne Winton Could you test the 14mm chain sometime? On lockitt they sell it by the foot with the nylon sleeving and alike keys (at decent prices as well from the looks of it). It's like $5 or so more per foot than the 12mm, which seems low to me.
@@waynewinton hi dude, what you thing about the 8ks whit an abus diskus to secure a bike ? It is the 8ks enough or shulld I go for the 10ks ? Thanks un advance
Now it looks like u use the ground as leverage on the bolt cutter.my question is can someone with arms like Hulk Hogan cut it without ground leverage and just man power? My lock will be 2' off the ground for my $$$$ MTB. thanks!
Have you tried shattering the links by freezing them with canned air and hitting them? I'm thinking if they're that hard then they've gotta be brittle, but it would be interesting to see what happens.
Hello Sir....love the videos. I'm looking for security chain for myself and also, maybe to provide for sale to others. I would be grateful if you could tell me where I could purchase at the best price you know of. Just a note, I have not seen this for sale in PR. Thank you
Bike thiefs in london are carrying around angle grinders FFS, 2 heavy duty disc locks front and rear will slow them down, or make them choose another bike.. spend decent money and get an Abus x-plus 68
You need to state whether that ABUS chain is a 12KS or a 14KS. There is a huge difference. The 12KS can be bolt cropped with difficulty. I've never seen anyone get through a 14KS with bolt cutters. By the way, the super-hard chain that you show (that didn't make a mark) has its own flaw. If the chain is that hard, it won't get defeated with a bolt cutter. The proper tool is a sledge hammer because it should shatter from its brittle nature. The ideal chain is differentially heat treated to be soft on middle of the link and to be very hard on the outside of the link. This repels the bolt cutter while remaining resistant to shattering with a sledge hammer. All chains are defeated with an angle grinder. With the tools available today, I don't know why anyone would even attempt to cut a hardened chain with anything but an angle grinder.
ok you spent so much time doing all the research so I should listen to you. oh weight you didnt. look at all these chain vs freez test. not only did I hot them repetedly with hammer I froze them first so you are wrong.
+Wayne Winton i am merely pointing out that steel tempering is all about compromises. A nice boron hardened steel is nice but if its too hard its a liability. hrc62 is hard enough to shatter.
I don't get this at all. Why wouldn't the thief just snap the lock which is obviously the weak point on these. Not being mean just got one and I don't get the point of these chains at all if they still need a lock to lock them securely.
ok thanks. is there any type of chain you can recommend for me? i prefer the 14ks chain from abus or the almax immobiliser 19mm with PL 362 padlock. cheers in advance
PL362 due to its shackle size (15mm) would need a MINIMUM of a 16mm almax type in order to work. It has a shroud, so possibly the 19mm. But the 14KS has an advantage in that looping it as Wayne showed, it can act as a second shroud for the exposed bits of shackle.
I bought these padlocks (Abus 83WP/53-300 S2 Rekeyable Schlage Weather Proof 53mm Body 1 Inch Shackle Padlock Zero-Bitted) for a Pelican gun case. I would just tell a locksmith I want them keyed/master keyed with a hard bitting including serrated, spools, etc, and I should be good to go, eh? Sorry, these are my first midish grade padlocks.
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Very nice comparison and testing. One thing to consider when thinking about using such a chain is that it is very unlikely the link a thief is trying to cut or grind will be held as solid as it is in your vise. It will likely be loose, which adds to the cut resistance somewhat.
I would like to see chain manufactures put some kind of sleeve on these chains that is not just protective of the bike but works somewhat like chainsaw chaps in that they are both cut resistant and will foul up any power tools used on it.
that's a pretty damn good idea...maybe use Kevlar or other aramid fiber!
I would like a law that theves will be stripped bare and horse whipped in the town square.
Public flogging would put an end to this nonsense. The whips can be made of Kevlar and leather for a stiffer snap as it cuts through the flesh!
You would once agein be able to leave you doors unlocked, like when I was a kid and people feared God ,the police where respected and jails where full of actual criminals.
I bought the best security chain because of this video! Thank you kind sir!
Why does PEWEG not make an insertable-end chain end link just like ABUS; with different lengths. Say, 6ft, 8ft, and 10ft ? I would certainly invest on such a chains, if there were available.
Could you do some 1/4in chain tests. As a biker hauling around 1/2in chain is a bit much. I currently use 3/8th cable but I know it would be very easy for someone to come through with a pair of side cutters and take it off in no time.
Hey Wayne! thanks a lot for this video, very helpfull. I couldn't get if the chain is the 12ks or the 14ks. thanks a lot!
+marco ferri 12
+Wayne Winton ... i bought the 14ks, do you have any demo on that one? i would assume it's stronger than the 12 ?
Great videos, really appreciate you doing these, has really helped me decide on the right chain, cheers
Hello Wayne, I have a question: Pewag offers the 12mm Chain in Europe with a Viro Panzer padlock. Can you comment on the quality of the Viro lock? Many thanks
Hello. Was the Abus a 8KS or 10KS ect.? I apologize if I missed it.
What size is this chain? What size is the bolt cutters? Abus sells all sorts of security chain versions. 10KS model with 3/8" thickness? 12KS with 1/2" thickness? 14KS with 9/16" thickness? I have the Abus 10KS 2 foot chain with ABUS 20/70 Diskus and also the Kryptonite NY cinch chain lock (12mm six-sided chain made of triple heat-treated boron manganese steel). If it takes 5 minutes to make 1 cut with the bolt cutter, it will probably take another 5 minutes to make another cut on that same link for 10 minutes total. It looks like it needs 2 cuts to fully break the chain. Add more minutes if the chain is off the ground like 1.5 foot off the ground (bike frame and wheel) and even lot more minutes if it is the bike top tube (3 feet off the ground). Majority of thieves use small or medium size bolt cutters. Keep the chain higher helps avoid some leverage but you won't be able to lock up the rear wheel.
My guess is it was 10ks in this video, Bennett’s an insurance company in the uk tested a 12ks square and hexagonal but it barely put a dent in it, they also tested a 10ks that lasted more than 4 minutes with 42’ croppers.
Can you try it without using the the floor as leverage as if it was really used to lock a bike. Thanks
Good comparison. Appreciate your effort. Have you compared the ABUS chain/lock with its Vulcan equivalent? Very similar in appearance.
I got the 14KS chain that is larger than that one from Abus, I ground down the edges of the last link down on the sides, until it would slip through the other end loop, then I stuck a Abus 37/80 lock on it, and I feel it is very secure
Bob Long I
I'm just wondering why, if you need a thick shackle above 13mm, why not just use a u-lock, as you could have a u-lock that is relatively light (say 2 kg) but has a shackle of say 18mm?
@@alantaylor6691 becouse a chain is more versátile in the meaning that Beeing larger you are able to attatch it to a wide amount of threes or thiker objetcs. Rememeber that not avery place is suitable for the u lokcs.
Nice vids on the chain really appreciate the time spent to lock cut and grind. Any chance that you have tested the pragamis protector chain 19mm, kryptonite chain fuggetabuit chain and lock. I know chains and locks can be cut just looking for which ones make it difficult and take a long time...thanks a million..
Great video, very curious about these because I leave my bike in a parking lot each day at work, and have good anchor point.
Len M. I don't have a plazma cutter so I don't know. However I would lean on yes plazma cutter should zip right on throught just about anything.
ABUS has a Rockwell range of 48 -52 C .
If my memory is correct. I contacted them by email a couple years back with that very question.
Their new stuff seems to say 60 to 63.
Laclede chain is 62 to 65 and comes in a slightly larger than others 13 mm size.
Pewag say at least 62.
@@TubeYou7
I am sure security chain company's are upping there game. Theft is plagging the U.S.
And will only get worse as Biden allows open borders from the 3rd world. How can you survive in America when you are here illegal with O education and a 2 bedroom apartment is $2,200 a month.
Gas is over $5.00 a gallon.
And health insurance is $1,400 a month and you haven't eaten yet or paid your utilities?
Thanks to Joe Biden and Newsom.
Just purchased the vkk12x45 chain and the mul t sliding bolt 12mm padlock, rather expensive and £140 hope it's good and keeps my bike safe need to get a decent disc lock now aswell any recommendations?
Regards
William
I’m looking at these too. Well , the 14mm chain
Good videos brother. I just got an Abus 37RK/80 covered shackle lock. Would you happen to know if a 1/2" square security chain can be used with it or do you think a 3/8" square security chain would be the biggest? Thanks for any help. I just subscribed.
Please what's the Security Maxx chains manufacturer website address? i'm surfing on the internet but can't find it
So in your opinion Is the pewag the best
You could zip through these with a plasma cutter, correct? I'm not saying it would be totally feasible depending on situation/location, but it would be the absolute fastest way, yes?
i think he did not reply because seems like you wants to know so u can steal something
? He replied to my posts. I can't remember what the context of the bid is now since it was a long time ago.
Vid! Stupid autofail
I get 1, 000 emails and people posting on my videos with questions. I get to 99% of the but some slip through the cracks. I don't have a plasma cutter so I'm not familiar with there capabilities. I have not tried it. I do know you need 110 power to run one and not ever bike is parked next to an outlet.....
You didn't need to reply again, I seen your other replies. I'm not sure why they brought up such an old comment. I can't even remember posting this.
the videos i've seen the last 10 minutes changed my mind about abbus. All of their products are cuttable/pickable(easy with basic tools). Thanks for the heads up. Im gonna try find something more secure for my bike.
So dude what are you sung today for the bike ? Im looking for a quality chain miself thanos in advance.
I dont remember the size of the abus chain in your 17 minute video. What size was it? 14mm? Thanks.
12mm
Wayne Winton Sweet. I'll be getting the 14mm for my Honda CBR.
+Wayne Winton Could you test the 14mm chain sometime? On lockitt they sell it by the foot with the nylon sleeving and alike keys (at decent prices as well from the looks of it). It's like $5 or so more per foot than the 12mm, which seems low to me.
If you want to send me some I'll check it out and test it
@@waynewinton hi dude, what you thing about the 8ks whit an abus diskus to secure a bike ? It is the 8ks enough or shulld I go for the 10ks ? Thanks un advance
Now it looks like u use the ground as leverage on the bolt cutter.my question is can someone with arms like Hulk Hogan cut it without ground leverage and just man power? My lock will be 2' off the ground for my $$$$ MTB. thanks!
Have you tried shattering the links by freezing them with canned air and hitting them? I'm thinking if they're that hard then they've gotta be brittle, but it would be interesting to see what happens.
+meh_hi_there Yes. It will not work. ruclips.net/video/vLpMEfxB6Uo/видео.html
Great vid. What is the brand of the middle black chain - payway? Can't find any info on that one anywhere. Thanks.
pewag. Tricountylocksmithservice.com
@@waynewinton www.westechrigging.com/pewag-security-chain-012-galv.html?gclid=CjwKCAjwy7vlBRACEiwAZvdx9mQJPKZrlrW7LW7YvseFgX3W9ZMlasshyVbS9SeMO1zFFMf3BNjB8BoC8FUQAvD_BwE
Wayne Winton - Where can I buy one of this chain on the middle (pewag) and how much does it cost?
Call me 970 945 5625
+Wayne Winton I'm from London, so could you please email me - nemana4in@abv.bg. I'll appreciate it. Thanks. you.
How about paclock chain? 1/2”
Hello Sir....love the videos. I'm looking for security chain for myself and also, maybe to provide for sale to others. I would be grateful if you could tell me where I could purchase at the best price you know of. Just a note, I have not seen this for sale in PR. Thank you
Awesome review!!!- Subscribed
Bike thiefs in london are carrying around angle grinders FFS, 2 heavy duty disc locks front and rear will slow them down, or make them choose
another bike.. spend decent money and get an Abus x-plus 68
as i don't have a criminal mind how do they hold the chain still to cut it? do the thief's bring a vice?
From what I've read, a screwdriver. They jam the screwdriver through a link and use it to twist the chain until it's taught.
Nice chains. Does that Pewag chain come in a smaller size (6mm thickness), maybe for travel?
9/32, about 7 mm, I think is the smallest it comes.
What brand is the silver color chain?
Great Video Dude. Keep up the great work. Nick.
Thx
Your Welcome Dude. N.
What would you say the best brand is? Abus, Kryptonite etc etc?
peweg. look up bolt cutter proof chain here on yt
I just bought ABUS Granit extreme plus 59 . Is this chain same as mine ? Thank you
I have no idea
You need to state whether that ABUS chain is a 12KS or a 14KS. There is a huge difference. The 12KS can be bolt cropped with difficulty. I've never seen anyone get through a 14KS with bolt cutters. By the way, the super-hard chain that you show (that didn't make a mark) has its own flaw. If the chain is that hard, it won't get defeated with a bolt cutter. The proper tool is a sledge hammer because it should shatter from its brittle nature. The ideal chain is differentially heat treated to be soft on middle of the link and to be very hard on the outside of the link. This repels the bolt cutter while remaining resistant to shattering with a sledge hammer. All chains are defeated with an angle grinder. With the tools available today, I don't know why anyone would even attempt to cut a hardened chain with anything but an angle grinder.
I didn't order it. I acctually thinks it's 13mm or 1/2 inch
ok you spent so much time doing all the research so I should listen to you. oh weight you didnt. look at all these chain vs freez test. not only did I hot them repetedly with hammer I froze them first so you are wrong.
+Wayne Winton that is NOT a sledge hammer
+badkid73 where's your video? oh you didn't spent the money or time to make one but you feel you have the rite to discredit mine?
+Wayne Winton i am merely pointing out that steel tempering is all about compromises. A nice boron hardened steel is nice but if its too hard its a liability. hrc62 is hard enough to shatter.
With the help of the floor yes you'll cut it .but chained up on a bike I doubt most ppl would have that strength tho..
Is this Abus 1060? Is it too heavy for a bicycle? :D
Schmidteren if you can't store your bike inside you better use the biggest toughest chain you can carry, otherwise it'll be gone in the morning
Gro Skunk
Why are people opting for thick chains rather than u-locks which also have thick shackles but are lighter?
@@alantaylor6691 I think thieves might be less tempted to try steal a bike with a chain, cause they look more intimidating
The chain looks great BUT the locks just need a key. Couldn't any lock picker get the lock off?
im living in europe, near vienna where can i buy some peweg my bike got stolen tonight and am buying a new one tomorrow
+bigtimer5205 I have no Idea how to buy over seas
What about some grade 100, how does that stuff take the abuse?
See here:
ruclips.net/video/qSnS4ZkTGUY/видео.html
Would you suggest a 1/2 inch security max chain or 3/8 security max chain?
I'm considering the 3/8 security chain.
go big or go home... 1/2
+Wayne Winton okay. thanks. Have you tried testing out Hiplock chain?
Nope
I don't get this at all. Why wouldn't the thief just snap the lock which is obviously the weak point on these. Not being mean just got one and I don't get the point of these chains at all if they still need a lock to lock them securely.
Look in to screen-o-matic free software for recording right off your screen
Whats the black chains name?! By the way please don’t touch chains this much your video has a lot of noise .tnx
Whos it by?
what abus chain is this? 12ks?
I think so
ok thanks. is there any type of chain you can recommend for me? i prefer the 14ks chain from abus or the almax immobiliser 19mm with PL 362 padlock. cheers in advance
PL362 due to its shackle size (15mm) would need a MINIMUM of a 16mm almax type in order to work. It has a shroud, so possibly the 19mm. But the 14KS has an advantage in that looping it as Wayne showed, it can act as a second shroud for the exposed bits of shackle.
I want to get a bike chain. Anyone got any suggestions?
look up bolt cutter proof chain here on YT
I bought these padlocks (Abus 83WP/53-300 S2 Rekeyable Schlage Weather Proof 53mm Body 1 Inch Shackle Padlock Zero-Bitted) for a Pelican gun case. I would just tell a locksmith I want them keyed/master keyed with a hard bitting including serrated, spools, etc, and I should be good to go, eh? Sorry, these are my first midish grade padlocks.
I guess you must try it without clamp because the thief will not have a clamp...
tried almax ?
Len M
That looks ok to me
LEYKIS 101 !!!
The kryptonite was harder and in your test you hardly broke the surface.
your chain just needs to be better than the one next to you, ofc they will steal your bike if the thief is determined.
That's very disappointing for the ABUS brand. wow..Good thing I watches this, i'm going with the pewag
15mm is about the size
Abus makes nice stuff, but even in Germany, they are ridiculously overpriced. They don't even make their good stuff easy to find, either.;
See here:
ruclips.net/video/qSnS4ZkTGUY/видео.html
no good.. .. ABUS is not happy with you...