Baldur's Gate 3 The STRONGEST Monk Build Guide! STRENGTH MONK IS BUSTED | Baldur's Gate 3
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0:00 Intro
1:09 Ability Score & Level 1
1:59 Race Comment
2:19 Core Multiclass & Level-Up Guide
3:47 Tavern Brawler Feat
4:37 Core Multiclass & Level-Up Guide
5:09 Manifestation of
5:21 Tavern Brawler Damage
6:03 Level 7-12 Endgame Class Choices
9:27 Gear Comments
10:07 Wrap Up
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Saw a lot of request for this so here is my take. For the last two feats its important to get +2 Str, doesn´t matter if you do it over lvl 11 and 12 or just straight up with 11. You could go athlete and heavy armor master or mageslayer and 2+ atri. OR you can go 2 lvls into barb and enjoy rage + reckless attacks, which would make you even tankier. Your choice.
Would it be valid to put 11 and 12 into fighter so you get level 4 feat then level 5 second extra attack? I heard that in Early access, extra attacks stacked. Idk if that's still a thing, but if it is that sounds neat too
@@DJVevyVevs extra attacks gained from different classes do not stack.
I do not really understand why you go heavy armor, just use no armor trait.
Buff that says your starting AC 13AC
Dexterity lets say 16 = +3 AC (+4 when we take the 18dex gloves )
Wis lets say 16 = +3 AC
Buff that says if you have no armor you have +3AC
Buff that gives +2 AC
Buff that gives +1AC and links 2 targets ( you receive twice less damage now )
Use shield ( +2AC for example, can be more )
Cloak +1AC
Shoes +1AC
Ring when obscured +1AC or other options
Potion +2AC
Armor trait +1AC
Gloves that gives unarmored attacks dmg bonus, bow if possible that gives haste.
13+3+3+3+2+1+2+1+1+2+1
34 AC, but have to multiclass a bit. I am playing on 26 AC and enemies are a joke RN. Also we can try to take the cloning spell which will give us +9 just for sweet 43AC screenshot.
Update below.
@@blackcanario3294 Doing it like this would make it impossible to put so many points in strength. Its basically a non dex monk build which is why its better to go armor.
@@SCX2k you can get gloves that give 18 dex thats why.
Instead of going multiple levels into Fighter, I’d recommend a split of 8 Open Hand Monk, 3 Thief Rogue, 1 Fighter. Thief is absolutely insane in conjunction with Flurry of Blows and this will increase your damage far more than the Fighter levels. It results in you being a little greedier with Ki, but the damage tradeoff is worth it. You’ll also get a lot of nice roguish utility.
Also, you can ditch Fighter in the endgame and take an extra level of Rogue instead if you want a third feat. Just make sure one of those feats is Medium Armor Master for shield proficiency and the bump to strength. As for the armor, just grab the Helldusk chestpiece, as it doesn’t care about proficiency. This setup will lack the Fighter’s fighting style, but the feat may make up for that depending on your priorities.
I saw tavern brawler and immediately thought about how to mix it with a monk. This is perfect, thank you. Saved me the effort of planning the build myself
Remember to equip that shield! As long as you don’t have a weapon, the shield won’t interfere with your unarmed attack or bonus action at all. Act 2, Damon (I think) sells a shield that give a above bonus to initiative to help offset our dumped Dex
Monk not scaling with strength without tavern brawler is a tooltip error, I started a strength monk, level 1 fighter dip for proficiencies, and my unarmed attacks worked fine. It still shows my flurry of blows as -1 to damage, but I get my strength mod when I attack.
I would recommend monk 6/rogue3-4/ fighter2-3
3 levels in their rogue gets us an additional bonus action, better for our dpr. Action surge gives us two extra attacks one per short rest, while thanks to flurry of blows, we get two extra attacks at least 3 times. More thanks to wholeness of body, and we can always just attack normally for free.
4 rogue for the ASI
2 fighter is fine enough, there’s so many enchanted items for unarmed monk damage that the superiority die aren’t super good for increasing it, and we have topple on flurry which is great at generating advantage already.
3 fighter if you decide on 3 rogue, I think the extra chance to hit and damage going up by 2 is worth the extra 1d8 damage though, but still a solid option.
Just a note for folks to consider:
Take Thief at level 3 to increase the number of bonus actions you can do per round from one to two. This is a build which gets a lot of use of bonus actions.
If you get the Awakened buff from the Githyanki creche and are willing to use at least the first tier of tadpole powers, you'll have even more bonus action options.
Yeah but Tavern Brawler doubles your strength bonus which is why it's such a good feat the damage is insane
If you're going to be using no weapon in the main hand, then grabbing Trip Attack is a wasted choice. Like the Stun attack for Monk, it's specifically either unarmed or melee (weapon) AFAIK. Unless everything else from every other class just means whatever melee attack you can perform. If it stays greyed out and cannot be used, the better choices are Precision Attack for +1d8 to your attack roll (which can be amazing with the ilithid power that guarantees a crit once per long rest) and Rally for getting downed allies up from range. You can go 16 Strength, then grab Tavern Brawler for +1 Strength, Heavy Armor Master for +1 Strength again, then a ASI from your Lv6 Fighter feat to cap at 20 and ensure every bonus from equipment pushes you over the top. This will let you put 16 into Wisdom for +3 to saving throws on annoying CC spells and +3 to your passives from Lv6 Monk.
That would land you at 20 Strength, 16 Wisdom, -3 damage taken from physical sources, and the huge +10 to attack and damage rolls on unarmed attacks.
For clarity it’ll help if you verbally distinguish unarmed (attacking without a weapon) and unarmoured( not wearing any armor), hard to follow a bit when your using unarmoured for both. Otherwise great guide, most likely will give this a go when I get a different chest item!
My bad there! Still glad you enjoyed it regardless!
I like going with Wood Elf for monk, purely because of the extra mobility from the start.
Plus the proficiency with longbows, darkvision, and fey ancestry. Wood elf monk is the way to go.
@Zormac equipped mine with the lightning bow. With levels of rogue you always have that bonus action to hide for a ranged sneak attack.
This is my kind of build. Thanks for sharing!
Looks great!
FYI Trip Attack (and most of the other manoeuvres) needs a weapon equiped to work
Ok i tested both end game. Unarmoured dex/wis = +16 hit 19/36 damage 22 AC (with +2 dex from the mirror so i have 22). Armoured = +15 hit ( or +20 seems they don't apply the tavern brawler bonus on the character page) 21/38 damage 24 AC (+1 shield and 19 AC from armor i don't use the bis). I have only 20 str (i boost dex with the mirror). Armoured is better overall BUT unarmoured is better if it's your only dex character. Tbh both are incredibly strong. Good CA ,huge damage and mobility.
I completely missed the part of the Tavern Brawler feat that says you add your strength bonus, TWICE! That's amazing! Thank you for the idea of a Full Metal Pugilist
Amazing guide, couldn't actually find anything in video of the tb monk with armor!
Hello, Mordarim, i love yout videos, man, you explain everything in a way that a newbie to these type of games like me understands perfectly. Wanted to say thank you for your guides! Btw, will you ever share a video with your wyll build as paladin/warlock? I'm in act 3 at level 8 and still didn't figure a way to optimize my companions
Next 3 builds will an throwing build, pala/warlock one for wyll and a redmage style build for shadowheart. Hopefully all within 48h.
@@Mordarim great, thank you!
I’ve been playing for 13 hours now, can someone tell me what advantage on strength and dexterity saving throws mean ? I have no idea what saving throws mean.
Interestingly enough, the tavern brawler feat does work with dex builds as well, just requiring you to have strength (go figure).
how the roll works is the standard (at level4) 1d6 + Dex modifier + strength modifier + bonuses from equipment (like corellians staff giving +1 to unarmed)
it i have yet to get to a point where my str bonus outweighs my dex bonus, but i think my current die at that level is 1d6 + 3 (dex) + 2 (strength) + 1 (corellions staff) + 1 (sparkle hands). so my minimum damage is 7 bludgeoning +1 lightning damage on my unarmed attacks and this is still act one as a pure monk though i have gone the elemental monk. I know this can go higher depending on some items like other gloves types and boots but thats where i am in act 1 and its pretty decent damage.
On monk weapons as well, EVERYTHING YOU ARE PROFICIENT IN USING IS A MONK WEAPON. you could pick up that fancy excalibur sword in the underdark if you have longsword proficiency (which a Woodelf does)
The lucky feat turns disadvantage into super advantage
Yea using tav brawler on a throw barb throwing rings at people for 30 damage has been quite fun.
Interesting build! I had assumed that nearly all monk abilities required that no armor was being worn. I think I might give this one a try. I hope they do not fix the tavern brawler feat anytime soon.
That's how the Martial Arts feature works for the 5e tabletop version. It sounds like this was an intended change for BG3 for more flexibility
@@johndidato
Monk needs help. 5e monk is just not up to par in TT.
would love to see your take on bard builds. I feel like you would go far with its buffs/debuffs
Dual hand crossbow sword bard is broken OP.
You basically do the same thing, but you replace tavern brawler with sharpshooter.
Sword bard gives you a bonus extra attack using the sword skills (you get ranged variant), or you can use maneuvers-like attacks instead. That's 3 main hand attacks in a turn.
Go rogue thief for additional offhand attack. That's now 5 attacks per turn.
Action surge for 10 attacks on initial turn.
And you get sneak attack, and a bonus short rest.
3 Rogue, 3 Champion Fighter, and 6 Sword Bard.
I'm a fan of shadow monk class and I literally thought of this build which is heavy armored, shield and STR using Tavern brawler haha
Just a heads up , if you go human/half elf you eventually find a legendary Full Plate+3 that doesnt need proficiency , that allows you to go full monk , and you can use the 23 STR gloves ( i know i know there is an 1d10 force gloves , but the simple fact that tavern brawler double str from both dmg AND hit chance its just better for AVG dmg on enemies with high armor class , remember a monk that misses does 0 dmg ).
This allows you to respec out of STR, for 20 Wis/Con or 16 Con/Wis , while maintaining +6Str , and 24 AC with armor and shield ALONE ( using a +1 shield ) , 4 higher than an Unarmored Monk with 20 Dex and Wis considering armor slot ALONE but with much higher Accuracy and DMG on average.
PS : please dont try to pick barbarian , rage dont work with heavy armor
Yes, rage does not work with heavy armor. completely missed that
You can also get 20 STR for free pretty much if you spare Auntie Ethel and give yourself 1 point into STR with her hair and then later on in Act 2 with the Potion that drow gives you that permanently increases STR by 2. Assuming you gave yourself atleast 16 STR at the start, you have 20 STR for free and Tavern Brawler with the +1 to STR by Act 2 with ideally a starting total of 16 WIS. That way for following ASI distribution you can focus on mainly WIS/CON. I'm planning on using those Soul Fists as well so unfortunately those 23 STR Gloves won't work for me 😅 tis a style over substance issue I'm having lol
Edit: Found out there's an Amulet of Greater Health later on that brings CON to 23. Definitely going to respec the remaining points into DEX once acquired.
@evans178 Where can you get the legendary full plate+3?
So this monk build goes full plate armor?
@@johnnyospino8017 is it worth to use the 23str gloves plus +2 str pot + eithel hair to have 26 str? is that possible? duble+8 on attacks would be awsome
Cleric and Ranger are better than Fighter if you're just going for heavy armor, they also give you some spells for utility. Also, Fighter's surge is once per short rest.
nice combo!
16 (start) + 1 (hag hair) + 1 (tavern brawler) + 2 (ASI) + 2 (potion) + 2 (mirror) = 24 STR. save your potion slot for the bloodlust potion
It's here babyyy
Interesting build. I swapped to dex and become a one-punch-monk
I was rogue/monk for the sneak attacks after topple and the instagibbing surprised people, but this looks so fuckin cool lol
The better way to do this is str gauntlets for 23 str 9 monk for the higher unarmed dice and the open palm aoe's 3 theif rogue for another bonus action the helmet for ANOTHER bonus action. The monk robe for reaction punch on miss and the boots to add wis to unarmed. Take tav brawler bump dex and wis. Use the hag and shar mirror for more dex wis. Get haste from anywhere and enjoy 10 attacks a round no action surge every round with 3 stats 1(doubled) added to damage. For warning it can solo the game and makes it boring.
Okay so here's my idea. End will have rejuvenation robes, 20 Dex, and 20 wisdom for a total of 22 AC. Cape and some other things should take it to 24/25 AC unarmored.
Start off 16/17 dex and 17/16 wis with 14 con. Start as rogue for skills then level 2-5 monk. Get tavern brawler from feat. Should have club of hill giants str from arcane tower by then.
Will have 19 str and be able to utilize TB. Get hag hair for +1 wis and then astarion bite chick in act 2 for +2 str(stuck at 19 tho). You could do hands of dex for 18 dex and switch dex/str stats but lose 2 AC from bracers of defense.
Bone spike boots give more AC, get str gloves and con neck from Ralph's house. Respec to max dex/wis and whatever else with 23 str and con.
Not too far off helldusk 21 plus shield and rings/cape AC and you still have the option to do that while maintaining a dex based sleight of hand/stealth guy if you don't want astarion in party for whatever reason.
My reason is party composition wanting shadowheart, karlach, and one other aside from astarion for interaction purposes and story progress.
A note on ki-empowered strikes. It adds your wisdom modifier as damage. I'd say start with 16 wisdom instead of constitution. Tavern brawler still gets you to 18 strength, and then wear the clothes (the Mighty something) that give +2 strength. You can then do two ASIs to get wisdom to 20 and a +5 to ki-empowered strikes. If you get the Kushagi boots as you enter Act 3, your wisdom modifier gets applied again.
Because you forfeit DEX for the build.
If you try to get DEX up to match the armored class, you have to use dex gloves, and you forfeit gloves that add a D10 to unarmed damage or sparkle gloves that gives lightning charges, which is better than a +4 over leaving WIS at 16.
All of that and you max out armor at 18, when there's heavy armor at 21, and you have less HP.
@@XaadeTheBlade monk's unarmored defense adds your wisdom multiplier to your AC anyways. Collect a bunch of potions of hill/cloud giant strength, and you can just dump strength. There are vendors that can restock the potion every time you long rest and level up. Even excluding events that give permanent increases to your ability scores, 16 dex and 20 wisdom still give +8 to your armor class. Have someone cast warding bond, and you get up to 20 AC and still have other ways to increase it further.
I'll admit that the mighty garb for +2 strength and advantage on strength checks is not the best, especially when using one of the giant potions. The graceful garb serves you pretty well until you get a better robe in Act 3.
Shielded monk!🤔
Dangit! I like it.😊
Not that high levelled yet, but curious about lucky: does it recover on long or short rest?
I was thinking of making a monk build, 1 level barb, 1 level monk, 1 level wizard, rest as war cleric. Reason being as high con build with dex as other stat you would have crazy ac and theres gloves that give 23 str, pair these with the 2 handed sword that doubles str bonuses plus tavern brawler and i think you might have a insane build, thanks for the video ❤
what is the level in monk for ?
unarmored defense from barb and monk don't stack. if it's for the bonus actions unarmed strike then you have better bonus action available since you unarmed strike will not scale up as you aren't leveling your monk (and you already have the war cleric bonus action)
you also won't get any extra attack wich make you worse then any other pure melee class.
You can trade the Battlemaster Maneuvers for the same AC, a tiny bit lower if you were using a shield, with specific items and Rage if you go Barbarian instead. And Bearheart gives you Resistances. This also allows you to wear some of the really powerful clothing items.
Barb gets Unarmored Defence from Constitution instead.
Amulet of Greater Health sets your con to 23.
Start with 16 Dex, use the Mirror in House of Grief for +2 Dex.
Already that is 20 AC naked. The Vest of Soul Rejuvenation gives +2 AC and you regain Hp on a successful save against spells.
22 AC, no shield, no armor. And you get to benefit from unarmored movement. No use having a lot of AC from heavy armor if you can barely catch up to enemies going after your backline.
Add Warding Bond, Ring of Protection and Cloak of Protection... you have 25 AC, At least +2 to saves with the ring and cloak, and heal from those save vs spells.
what would be the complete build then ?
full strength, dex to 16, will to 16 too ?
I assume it would only really work once you get the amulet of greater health no ?
Barbarian 3 Bearheart. Monk 9 Open Hand
Str 17
Dex 15
Con 8
Int 10
Wis 14
Cha 10
Hag's Hair on Dex, Brawler on Str. ASI Str. Potion of Everlasting Vigour for 22 Str.
Mirror in House of Grief +2 Dex
Mask of Soul Perception - Devil's Fee Chest upstairs
Cloak of Protection - Quartermaster Last Light's Inn
Vest of Soul Rejuvenation - A merchant in Act 3, don't remember which
Gloves of Soul Catching - Save Hope in House of Hope
Boots of Uninhibited Kushigo - Give boots to Duergar Captain
Amulet of Greater Health - House of Hope
Ring of Protection - Steal Idol for Mol
Use whatever second ring you want but, with this, you get Hasted, or Haste yourself with the Legendary Bow, use Wholeness of Body and if my Math is correct you get this.
26 AC
Damage = 1D8+12 Blunt + 1D4+2 Psychic + 1D10 Force + 2 from Rage +2 from Boots. x4 + Flurry of Blows Twice = x8
8D8+96 Blunt + 8D4+16 Psychic + 8D10 Force + 16 + 16 = 168-320 Damage.
Assuming you hit everything of course. But shouldn't be too hard with Tavern Brawler and the Mask of Soul Perception. You get +18 to hit. You hit 20 AC targets rolling a 2. Lol.
You could go for a different Barbarian Subclass if you use Warding Bond to get Resistances and 27 AC. Wild Magic is pretty fun.
You could also dump Strength and use an Elixir of Cloud Giant Strength, but I would rather add another 1D4 to all of those attacks with Elixir of the Colossus. Or get an other Action on Kill with Elixir of Bloodlust.
Can you showcase your 3 companion builds for this monk build please? ty
Perfect video and good timing, wasn't sure how to make a tank monk build with shield.
I like to always talk with my PC, how is losing CON for extra base CHA too punishing?
Its punishing. You will lose a ton of life and your const save will suffer. You could sac the wisdom for it if you don't mind getting cc'd more often
@@Mordarim With a monk, the effects of your Flurry of B lows depends on your WIS score, but if you're only concerned with the attack damage, I think you might be able to dump WIS.
You don’t even need to wear armor here regular monk defenses with tavern brawler work fine just keep str slightly higher than dex and can pump wis as much as you can for DC/AC/Dmg with boots
you don't need it, but it allow to decrease dex to 10 and pump strength a lot instead.
it's just a question of what people prefer.
the full strength build is likely the one with the highest damage output but the dex one is good against caster that have plethora of fireball or equivalent spell late game
Evasive footwork is bugged at the moment. When I activate it, it deactivates when I end my turn instead of lasting the round like the tooltip says.
Looks kinda cool actually.
I don't exactly understand the order in which you level up. Am I correct in thinking you take the first 5 levels in fighter before going to Monk? If so, what is the feat you take at (the first) level 4 in fighter? Is that when you take Tavern Brawler and start going unarmed?
Its 5 fighter, respec into 1 fighter 4 monk. Afterwards go 3 more in monk. At lvl 8 you should be 1 fighter 7 monk. Go 3 into fighter next which will put you at 11 and finish up with monk for the last feat at 12.
@@Mordarim Forgive my ignorance, but what's the advantage of going 5 levels in fighter and doing a respec as opposed to just taking 1 in fighter and switching to monk? I get that fighters get a bonus feat at level 10, so it's worth adding some levels later on, but don't understand the earlier leveling.
@@fretless05I would assume because Tavern Brawler feat is required for damage and you don’t get it until Lvl 4 in a class, but if you go 4 Monk you won’t have heavy armour AC. So to be optimising you want lvl 5 to have the defences and the feat for the build to come online.
Before then run standard monk/fighter as strength won’t do anything for you until you get the feat.
@@saxonknight0 If you take fighter at character creation, you get heavy armor proficiency, right? So, as I understand it, going 1 level in fighter, then 4 in monk to get the feat gets you there without a respec. I don't see the benefit of going 5 in fighter and then paying 100 gold for a respec to 1 fighter/ 4 monk.
@@fretless05 The benefit is specifically to get you to level 5 without feeling underpowered, since as a monk you'd want dex for your unarmed strikes, which you don't have in this build. Either way, you'd have to respec, if you were going 1 fighter 4 monk from the start, you'd have to respec to switch from dex to strength, and if you were going 5 fighter, you have to respec to get monk stuff. It's purely to make early game not feel terrible
I'm trying to cook up a naked tank monk (maybe druid) build by trying to maximize the amount of stats that grant AC bonus. The idea is to mix at least 1 level Barbarian to get the +Con to AC bonus, and the Monk +Wis to AC bonus, and then also just have a high Dex for the regular AC bonus. I'm not sure if the primary class should be Monk or Druid Wild Shape, because I've heard that your beast stats aren't derived from your human traits, but from the animal itself. So if you shift into a bear, I would assume you'd get a lot of +Con, which would theoretically boost your AC even further, due to the Barbarian trait. I haven't actually play tested it yet, but I think it could be fun.
just keep in mind that the AC from naked monk and AC from naked barb do not stack - you get the AC from either one of them.
As for the animal forms - you physical stats change to the ones of the animal (so str, dex, con) and your mind stats (int, wis, cha) stay as you have them as a human
@@MrSuvvri Yeah I just learned that the other day when I actually started fiddling with that alt's levels. 😒 About the not getting double AC from Barb and Monk nekkedness. Ah well. I am curious though, can you confirm if you have the Barbarian version that is based on Con, if you wild shape into an animal with a higher Con score than you base human shape, does your AC increase accordingly?
@@happyninja42I think it "kinda" work but not as intended.
right now the game seems to consider natural armor in the formula.
it will then calcul using 10+dex+wis/con and natural armor + dex/con and use the best of the two.
so if you wildshape in a form that have high con but even higher natural armor it will actually do nothing right now.
if you wildshape in a high con low natural armor it will have an impact but lower than what you may expect.
For endgame you can also consider a druid dip for spores. You deal extra necrotic damage on all of your attacks, so on each of your Flurry of Blows hits.
does not it only work when additional HP are up? which is like half a hit of a mob on max difficulty
I was origionally going to go monk/spore druid until I saw this was the case@@blackcanario3294
@blackcanario3294 that temporary hp from druid also scales with druid levels so with not many levels it will be practically useless unless you have very high ac
Got a question, if you already srarted as a monk when is it that you multi class to fighter? Furthermore, how does the respec work since i already picked a feat blindly and got to search builds later.
You just need to talk to withers. Starting as a fighter is crucial because of heavy armor and shield prof. But you can easily respec at withers. Only the background and race can not be changed
@@Mordarim alright thank you. I'm level 4 currently so I'll just get to 5 and Respec with withers. Thanks!
Is he saying to get fighter to level 5 here before multiclassing into Monk?
How does this compare to a paladin in terms of damage/burst/defense ?
I don't know which character to start with
honestly nothing except sorc compares to paladin in terms of burst. Overall if you want burst single target damage then pala is your best bet and its not even close to any other class
Hallo Mordarim. Ive been using this guide for my 4th playthrough of BG3. I am doing this one as a lone wolf. and...this build is just naaaaasty. its almost too good! i have the Adamantine Splint Armour and the Adamantine Shield. so no matter what enemies will be getting Reeling. then i have the Boots of Story Clamour. so anytime they get reeling (which is every time in attacked in melee) they get 2x Reverberation. so if an enemy lives longer than a single round, they will be forced to save against the full stack of Reverberation. and with this build...a prone enemy is an UNALIVED enemy. Periapt of Wound Closure is my go to for fights where i know ill need health eventually. ive been nearly unstoppable since 2/3 through act 1. I made the entire Githyanki Creche look silly.
You sir, have made a beautiful build. I take back what I said earlier... it IS too good! Thank you for your time and effort putting together this guide. It was well organized and well thought out. Have a great evening!
The periapt also working on healthpots is top tier, especially in act3. The bosses there got buffed a quiet a bit and are really tough to deal with without some cheese on solo playthroughs! Hope your journey will be a fun one and i am glad you are enjoying the build!
I am a little confused, you start fighter, then 8 monk, and finish out in fighter. Right? Or do you go fighter first 4 levels then finish monk?
start fighter till 5 then go to the part where he does core and multiclasses. in short, go fighter, respec at 5
Nice im currently playing monk and in d4 i played druid so youre straight up my ally
What about a lvl 3 thief lvl 9 monk taking lvl 1 warlock hex spell with feat? Thief let you have 1 extra bonus action and 2d6 sneak attack that can proc on prone enemies. So you get 2 normal attack + 2 flurry every turn.
I think sneak attack is limited to only one per enemy per turn. But otherwise, great idea!
@@Mordarim that's true but the extra bonus action lvl 3 thief gives is every turn, so X2 flurry. If you apply hex, and stack items that adds bonus to your attack you will have a lot DPS.
I'm doing this when I start as Lae zel
Why not equip a weapon though, you're using your unarmored attacks anyway, like topple etc
Missed opportunity to call it the the Captain America build.
There were so many good options. Iron Monk, Fisting Tank, Fist of the North, Muscle Monk,.. I couldn´t decide!
Huh, time to bust out the red white n blue armor dye 😂
Only Americans like Captain America, sorry Yanks.
@@815TypeSiriuscall it captain Britain then lol but it’s exactly the same as those comic book characters so it does fit
Fullmetal Monk sounds better. He doesn't even throw the shield
pretty nice build, but the paladins buff only works on weapons, not on unarmed attacks
I did a busted EK build which centers around using throw weapons with tavern brawler and it does insane dpr. 140+ a round with Haste. Is nuts.
once in act 3 you don't even need EK anymore, you now have a returning legendary trident that does extra thunder damage and even more thunder damage when you throw it
It is a little weird that Tavern Brawler seems tailor made for monk in all ways except the STR modifier. Bit of an oversight imo
Fits perfectly for berserk barb
i wonder how going pally instead of fighter would perform..
Larian said the game can be finished with a party of one. You seem to be the type to take up that challenge! Cool build.
There is no way this game can be finished as a party of one in any difficulty other than the lowest.
Or if you painstakingly save scum so you never miss or get hit. Dahell are they saying? X,D
@@aronsvanlaugsson5338 No they said that playtesters had been trying to, they never said anyone succeeded
@@taima7700 Aah. That makes a lot more sense!
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can you go monk first then fighter if youre just starting out?
yes
It's a great alternative to the normal build but it's weaker than the dex/wis one. The manifistations you pick up at monk (6) scale with wisdom, they're 1d4+wisdom modifier. So with my 20 wis its additional 5 dmg. Then in the end of act 2 you get Boots of Uninhibited Kushigo (The wearer deals additional damage equal to their widsom modifier with unarmed strikes). Plus, instead of the gloves you've posted, there is a much much better version that can be aquired in the very beginning of act 1 (The sparkle hands), i've created my whole build around those with the lightning charges and getting advantage, it's pretty insane till the very very late stages of the game when you get the legendary gloves. With all the defenses that you get, you can even drop con to 10 or 8 and get your str up + brawler, yet, I also did some testing and it's not worth it. In the very beginning of act 3 i'm at 18-31 unarmed strike damage (6-9 of that dmg you can select between the necrotic, radiant, psychic). And that's plain constant dmg, without any of the "red" skills (you know what I mean). Most of the time I'm at 95% or 99% (for those that don't know, when the game shows you 99% it means you have 95% with advantage). On a bit unrelated note, going with the regular route makes you also formidable for lots of other things, be it stealth/lockpicking/stealing or dialogs insights, seeing hidden things. Not to forget that with dex/wis, you're tankier since you have such a high dex and wis, i have +15 to dex saving throws and advantage on those due to the graceful cloth and +11 on wis. Your idea to multiclass with warrior is a good one, not many options for multiclassing with a monk unfortunately since most things require a "weapon" and unarmed attacks are not considered to be one :( Unfortunatelly a lot of attack-based multiclass options are not viable because of that. Rogue would be awesome if his stuff would work with unarmed.
Apreciate your comment. Have u gone full monk to get all this benefits? If u dont mind, how was your attributes destribution on char creation? And what ASI did u get at 4,8? Any multiclassing on your path? And btw, dont u ever using any weapon? Or are u using any monk weapon for the action attack and then fists for your open hand blows?
@@rlm9243 1) i've used a weapon till lvl 6, right till you get the additional weapons for unarmed attacks. They apply only to unarmed, not the melee weapon, even if its a "monk" weapon. so after lvl 6 or maybe 7 I've started using fists only. It's more damage that way. 2) monk only, i'll most likely multiclass at 11 and go 8 monk (to get both traits) and 3 warrior (most likely doing it exactly as Mordarim) but i'm not sure on the multiclass part yet. I'm not quite there yet. need half a level till lvl 11 ^^. 3) both traits went into wisdom to get to 20/20. I dont want to spoil too much but my distribution was weird, unless you know some of the things that will happen in the story. Minor spoiler, Hag, take the trait and put it into dex. then i've started with 10 str, 17 dex (trait + the graceful cloth) to get to 20, 14 con, 8 int, 16 wis, 8 cha. Down the road i also got +2 str permanently through a quest. So in theory I could dump con to 10 and wis to 18 and raise str and take brawler but as i previously mentioned, when I tested the actual dmg on hitting Gale in the camp (he heals himself, so you can test it for a long time) The tradeoff all the stuff I lost for a very very minor boost in dmg just didnt feel like being worth it.
@@derriennovak666 thanks so much for the valuable information. I've played EA, so act1 and quests for powers-tradeoff are known to me, so far. Im asking about ASI and feats because this game has such abundance of magical attributed items that im considering taking some others QOL with the ASI (like mobility, etc) to give others advantages for my PC. This game makes us invest a lot on reading, researching and planing. Imagine ur lvl8 Hands monk + 3lvl thief rogue (expertise + Fast Hands (second bonus atk ever turn) + 1lvl Warlock for HEX focusing lowering the enemies save's for ur Flowers of blows, Armour of Agathys, E.Blast.) or 1lvl dip on Cleric. A lot of room to play withh 🤸🤜
do you have or know a build I could look at to get an idea how to build and gear focus/need?
@@derriennovak666 Why not just take str potions
I already respeced Laezel into a strength monk before your video.
Before respeccing she was a battlemaster and I can tell you that evasive footwork is simply bad. Why ?
Because it only LASTS 1 TURN. Meaning you activate it then when you end your turn it disappears. Only use for this is if you want to minimize opportunity attacks from enemies. But in practice you still take damage 70% of the time with opportunity attacks with this. So do not take evasive footwork.
Sadly its one of the only options that works without a dedicated weapon
@@Mordarim Precision attack is much better than evasive footwork. It should work unarmed.
I think a better option would be Open Monk 7/Fighter 2/Thief 3. This is what I am doing with Laezl.
Thief 3 gives an additional bonus action. Fighter 2 gives an extra attack. Monk 7 gives evasion.
So 3 attacks with action surge + 2 bonus actions in total
Should have gone monk/thief rogue. Thief gets an extra bonus action that you can use to flurry again. You can also get 23 str in game though items. Sure you sacrifice the armor, but your damage goes insane.
It's asking a bit too much to go 3/4 into Rogue (Thief) just for an extra Bonus Action. Sure, it's absolutely busted like anything that changes the action economy. But if you're going Strength, you're going to have no Dexterity leftover to have a meaningful impact on your AC. Furthermore, Sneak Attack is a waste if you're using Tavern Brawler since they require a melee or ranged weapon attack and appear to be bugged at the moment, and would do low damage at just 3/4 either way. You have an ability as Monk that gives you Dash and a free jump (amplified by your Strength score) that effectively does what the Cunning actions for Rogue do, making them not worth as much since they also need a Bonus Action to use. Meanwhile, 6 into Fighter will net you a decent chunk of extra HP, proficiency in Heavy Armor and Shields to massively improve your AC, and at the very least 4 times per short rest to add +1d8 to your damage rolls on attack. That's not even mentioning getting a whole extra Feat or ASI from going 6 Fighter.
@@OneRandomBastard too long of an explanation to type out, but you’re not thinking about optimization at all.
My current build gets 8 attacks and if all 8 hit, just the bonus damage my stats guarantees that I’m dealing over 340 in a turn. That does not include any of the damage dice rolls or crits.
@@parkerraley9462 After reviewing numerous posts all over about what to multiclass in, etc. etc., I was going for Fighter 1 (maybe 2 for Action Surge, still considering, but at least 1 level of Fighter for Heavy Armor Proficiency, Shields can come from Half-Elf), then Monk 6 (get the Tavern Brawler feat at Monk 4, Extra Attack at Monk 5, and Monk 6 for Ki-Empowered Strikes). That leaves me at overall Level 7. From there, I considered Rogue to level 3 for Thief subclass, getting the extra Bonus Action to have more bonus Unarmed Strike or Flurry of Blows. That leaves me at overall level 10. The final two levels I was considering going back to Monk to reach Monk 8 (Monk 7 to get to Monk 8, getting the final feat for Ability Score Improvement to put into STR), or at this point get Fighter 2 for Action Surge (if not taken earlier), and the final level can go into whatever.
I don’t know how well this would work, if at all, and it’s understood that some of the additional abilities, skills, passives offered by Monk, Thief, Fighter would not even be relevant due to the presence of armor and/or other factors - the goal is getting as many attacks from Actions and Bonus Actions as possible. Maybe this isn’t min-maxed to be the perfect setup, maybe the math doesn’t add up somewhere, or I’m forgetting or overlooking some nuanced mechanic - I’m gladly open to any and all suggestions for improvement and optimization.
EDIT: After seeing someone else’s comment, War Cleric might be better at Level 1 than Fighter. You still get the Heavy Armor Proficiency, and the War Priest subclass feature states “When you make an unarmed or weapon attack, you can spend a War Priest Charge to make an additional attack as a Bonus Action.” Unless I’m seeing it incorrectly (and I very well may be), in the end, you’d get War Cleric bonus action, Thief bonus action, Monk bonus action, etc.
EDIT EDIT: More testing. Apparently, when attempting to pull off a Flurry of Blows move, it uses both a Ki AND a War Priest Charge at the same time, creating a complete waste of a resource. Not sure if that’s intended or not, but certainly disappointing. Switched back to Fighter 1 for now.
I have a question. Monk unarmed strikes use dexterity mod for attacks and damage. Tavern brawler let’s you add double of strength mod to attack and damage that’s why no dex. But there are gloves that give you flat 18 dex, you get them at the end of act 1 or very beginning of act 2, in githyanki camp. Wouldn’t that be better than any gloves that add 1d4 damage when you can get flat +4 to attack and damage?
Should have mentioned them. At 18 str and 18 str the game just bugs out and your damage randomly stops working. At 20str, sure, go ahead. But there are better handsneakers at that point
@@Mordarim thanks to those gloves, yuan ti armor and singing sword my bard suddenly became a tank with 22 ac and buffs that he provides)
Shouldnt the game use str since it highter ? Thats how it does with every finese weapon wielded by str characters atleast
yeah '' Attacks with Monk Weapons and unarmed attacks scale with your Dexterity instead of your Strength if your Dexterity is higher. '' , you can skip Dex
So you take first lvl fighter and then until lvl 9 you lvl up the monk?
1 fighter 7 monk 3 fighter 1 monk, so its fighter at lvl 9
@@Mordarim oh, i see, and you focus on STR in this build right?
@@Mordarim i am sorry, its just that i dont really understand how it works the multiclass thing. You can multiclass at any lvl? Like for example, you pick fighter lvl 1 and then monk at lvl 2? Or do you need something to multiclass?
lvl 1 gives you special proficiencies for the class you would not get otherwise, thats why we pick fighter at 1 to get heavy armor and shield prof. Afterwards its just best to go monk until monk 7. A 1 fighter 4 monk you will get the feat that enables this build, all lvl after give you substantial increases to damage and survivability. And yes i go str here.
@@Mordarim does this build go full plate armor or only certain equipment?
It still works?
give this guy a hand crossbow and me makes a captain america
So basically Evasion is a permanent 50% damage reduction from spells/effects damage to you at worse?
yes
@@Mordarim Holy crap, that seems way to OP for the final version of the build...
You should really consider changing the name. Fisting is not the best option just google that and you will understand
RIP I didn´t think of that.
Don’t forget this is a DnD game and innuendo is the literal norm.
LOL
If your a monk then your attacks will scale with dex unless your strength is higher. Also a great way to make a high ac monk is just to go one level in wizard. You can get mage armor and not have to worry about wisdom adding to your armor class for unarmored defense.
why not just go barb? You get a better unarmored defense bonus (as it scales off CON), and with your BiS gear you will have 19 AC, and you can bump it up to 20 with cloak of protection if you don't plan to use any gimmick cloaks
@@ruaghs7123 true but with bracers of defense and warding bond you can get 20 ac and you can put two levels into mage and go portent giving you options to sling spells and re-roll dies on the fly. Ima eventually combo it with luck for more hard hitting flavor.
@@imdefinitelynotjesus you'll miss out on 1d10 additional force damage though if you opt for bracers of defense, and the build I am on has 20 AC + resist to all but psychic attacks
@@ruaghs7123 damage be can add’d in so many ways that sacrifice one d10 for the chance to guarantee a hit or a miss with two portent dice is a fair trade off imo opinion. Not to mention that being able to use staves like the morning frost that gives an extra 1 damage to any frost attacks combined with the ring that grants plus 2 acid damage and morninglords radiance 1d4 you’re good to go. There’s just so much untapped synergy with monk/wizards.
@@imdefinitelynotjesus it comes with that too though? I am using the full soul set + boots of unhibited kushigo + Amulet of greater health (can be obtained in the same place you get the soul gloves) + ring of evasion + flex slot + robe of protection, and I pretty much have advantage against everything in act 3, enemies barely do any damage to me at this point, also open hand monks can wield any weapon they have prof. in regardless since most of your attacks will be from flurry or Ki Resonance
great build but im worried its gonna get nerfed midway through my playthrough
My guess is Larian has already done a great job of applying the D&D rules and since this isn't PvP, balancing issues are not as big a deal. Also keep in mind, most of the RUclipsrs showing video are not on the hardest gamemode and they cheese the game because of it.
"Fisting tank"? LOL
2:27 what happens at lvl 5?
You get to dip into fighter + you get the feat. fighter has to be picked at lvl 1 to get the shield and armour prof, so you can equip shields and heavy armor. 4 lvls into monk give you tavern brawler which has to be used for this build to function
I have fun in games i have to swet in, infuntunately 😢
Quick advice for you, though : if you want to show a well specialised monk, first good thing to do would be to show him unarmored me thinks, but I'll consider this is for clickbait motivation... And comments to boot.... Right? Also your sepcial build deserves testing, Armored monk? With plate you say? I'll be trying that, as I'm a man, like you it seems to me : a player.
That's just me and my two cents grate experience with Monk, basically's peaking. George Monk, Duke of Albermarle, as a matter of act. Also, RPG players didn't wait for you to consider Monks based on Strength. Good thing you're not mentionning 'monkadin' or even Monkarian, for that matter. You have respect for D&D and it shows. So congratz to you, good sir. But remember HALL WEIGHTS : Monk Unarmoured > 😶🌫> 👍
Then after hitting the accept button, you get to name your monk 'Remo Williams' also, for even gooder measure. 🤣
EDIT: Though I must admit some of those perspectives you're bringing are really good. Let me please add to the bard video requester somewhere down the thread we're having, here. For I too, happen to have ye good ol' lord bardeth as a main, you know? (So good in opportunity attacks tandem with Astarion also, man o'man... Me likey very much) >>> Subbed.
How would you do the stats if you used hag hair?
Take out 1 in const and boost str to 12 or even out dex to 10
@@Mordarim sorry I am not following. Str is 17 but you said boost str to 12.
I saw some posts further down about using dex gloves and con neck so maybe I'll figure something out stat wise with the hag hair I can plan around that.
Hmmm... on pen and paper dnd you cant use martial arts if you wear armor.... no flurry of blows...
They changed it for bg3
Wonder when tavern brawler gets fixed
about 5seconds after I get this build sussed, then it will be worst build ever. lol
lots of comments to say some other build are better. OK but look how COOL a dude in full armor PUNCHING people is.
Exactly! You get me!
go war domain Cleric instead of Fighter. You get a bonus action attack and cleric spells and heavy armor
just go pure monk and its gg
Fullmetal Alchemonk?
"I think the name would be 'Fisting Tank'."
no, no it wouldn't 🤣
I will never grow up...i laughed from "fisting tank" more than i should)))
Level 8-9 Open hand monk & 3-4 Thief... dexterity build and a certain legendary rapier & glove are stronger than this build.
I'm sorry, what ing tank? LOL
Well, it was fun while it lasted.
This just feels so far removed from what a monk should actually be. I think it's cool for min max purposes and theorycrafting exploits and such... But I could never do this. The game is already easy enough as it is. No judgment though, it's a single player non-competitive game. So as long as you are having fun, you are doing it right.
With dark urge clock, I soloed Sarevok, Viconia, Cazador with strength monk.
That's a bit of an annoying quirk of the game. Always gotta check the log and ignore the tooltips.
There is a ton of hidden info in the logs. Hope they will fix it for the dlc. (very likely dlc)
mmmm..."Fisting Tank" is not a good name for this build.
Yeah didn´t release what i just recorded. Had to change the thumbnail.
I tried to get into this game, but the "randyness" was too strange for me. I guess I will wait for starfield.
Are you just taking a break, or are you done with D4?
Taking a break. Was on vacation when the season started and was not feeling up to it afterwards. Level is really slow now
@@Mordarim I hear ya. I ended up staying in eternal..... Just not fun making a new character.... Not sure how basically doing same content and releveling is blizzards big selling point for the season..... Definitely dropping the game if this is what they have planned every 3 months
Monk/rogue seems to be better imo :
Turns out, you need :
STR : 8
DEXT : 17 -> (+1 with feat)
CONS : 14
INT : 8
WIS : 16 -> (+1 from Green Hag) (+1 with feat)
CHAR : 10
Route is :
Level 1 > Rogue 1
Level 2 -> Monk 1
Level 3 -> Monk 2
Level 4 -> Monk 3 ( Sub-Class : Open Hand )
Level 5 -> Monk 4 (Feat : 2x Point ability !! )
Level 6 -> Monk 5
Level 7 -> Monk 6
Level 8 -> Rogue 2
Level 9 -> Rogue 3 ( Sub-Class : Thief ) Why ? Double Action bonus = 1 action from your turn + 1 action from your bonus attack + 2 blows from Open Hand + 2 blows from Open Hand = 6 Attack.
Level + -> As you wish
How to play it ?
Armor : None. Your Wisdom carry it. So you don't need at all.
Later you'll drop gloves that give : +2CA if you don't wear amor so feel free to equip them, but keep in mind, your not the tank and your main target should be the squishy one.
Weapon : Until you get level 4 ( Monk 3 ) use a rapier. It's not very ninja like but, keep in mind you'll do wonders later on. ( You'll be not a Paladin, but you can literraly save a party with this build )
Past Level 6 : Go back to Fist as weapon. You'll pratically control the combat by yourself by using blows that's prone ennemies.
With 2x profiency with Slight of hand in your build : Door/Chest can't block you.
You can sneak + Sneak attack if needed.
For range weapon : Use Hand Crossbow. 👍🤡👍 You'll feel like Van Hellsing !
FYI....playing the Monk how it's meant to be will have you dealing more damage and with higher AC, not to mention you'll be at least twice as mobile. I got an AC of 22 with Robes at level 7...without Dex and Stealth penalties, that wont conduct Lightning attacks >.> Just play a Fighter/Paladin if you want to play....a fighter/paladin. You'll be happier for it in the end.
True about dmg but this build has an upper hand on accuracysince it should use double de str on hit ( that would be like using a +4/5/6 weapon) and since this game is not one with every monster having 10 AC its innocent at best to assume a permanent +4 to accuracy isnt going to turn several misses into hits ( making you not deal 0 dmg )
@@evans178 Considering the amount of utility reactions that avoid critical or misses as well as all the buffing that you can do with other party members, This has never been an issue for me.
@@weeboftheleft5113 i see , but keep in mind that not every party is the same as yours. A '' Just play a Fighter/Paladin '' is only valid if the build is absolutely useless in any way or shape, cause having an build that needs less babysitters support allow for more offensive build in the party.
In any way, as long as Tavern Brawlers keeps doubling the str on hit chance, it will be atleast as good as no armor monk if not better if you take into account being able to have less support centric members ( this is specially true when playing with Friends and no one wants to be the support bitch )
@@evans178 1) I don't know if you missed this part, but at level 8 currently, vs the level 12 version of the build shown, I'm ALREADY stronger. More AC, more mobility, more attacks per round, more EVERYTHING monk.
2) It is impossible to form a party that has NO support ability without specifically playing Multiplayer, 4 people, and all of you choosing Fighter or Barbarian or Monk, and EVEN then....you'll have support abilities. If your friends 'don't want to be a support bitch' then they don't really understand or want to play Dungeons and Dragons, and should probably stick to Single Player, OR you should bite the bullet....and support.
@@weeboftheleft5113 yeah sure bro , looks like ur just want points instead of enabling more fun build , best of luck . Also you dont need a Party with support , solo runs are a thing after all , but i understand some people need more supporting than other , best of luck
Not the best clickbait
Perhaps try to slow down just a bit and annunciate a little more. Hard to grasp what you're saying a lot of the time.