People keep making ridiculous trade suggestions for the Nuggets. Their offense can hang with anybody, it's not firepower they're lacking. Jokic's teammates not having high point averages doesn't mean anything, it's just because that's their regular season playstyle of passing the ball around and getting everybody involved instead of catering everything through just 2 or 3 players like many other teams do. Put any high scorer on the Nuggets and they would likely only average in the low 20's since they'll have to step back as a no.2 to Jokic and still play team ball. What is the Nuggets real need is a backup center that can handle defensive capabilities. Deandre Jordan can only log in so many minutes every few games at his age plus Nnaji and Saric have been huge disappointments. Nuggets have relied on having 2 versatile power forwards trying to work together whenever Jokic is off the floor, but they desperately need a true center that can defend and rebound even if they don't offer anything offensively.
The NBA is in the 70s all over again. Let’s enjoy what we’re seeing NOW and enjoy the greats of THIS era. And eventually we’ll get back to the dynasties and dominance. It goes in cycles
Exactly that, it’s actually a little annoying how older players turned commentators seem to forget how things always have been and just being down the new generation
Y'all should learn the Salary cap rules. Nuggets didn't just "let" good players go. They couldn't offer the same amount of money because of the CBA. Stupid
They absolutely could have kept some. They would have just had more luxury tax they aren’t hard capped where they’re at like some other teams. They made the choice to not pay more taxes and look where it’s got them.
@@retrosuperfuture5348 they weren't allowed to offer Bruce Brown the same amount of money as other teams. They didn't just let him go. Jeff Green is old. KCP would've put them way over the second apron, preventing them from signing a mid level exception, as well as certain trades. If people with giant platforms are gonna report this way, they need someone who understands the salary cap rules to chime in.
@@retrosuperfuture5348@karsonrivers9880 if you go over the second apron you are pretty much stuck with that team(no matter injury , performance,etc). You become very limited in moves you can make. Trade limitations, Restricted use of the MLE, draft pick restrictions, signings , and overall roster construction.
I genuinely started tearing up throughout this episode that in today’s time there can still be a fair and real hoops talk. The negativity that has been created in covering sports has just taken the fun out of the game itself. Amongst many reasons obviously. Hopped on that Pat McAfee Show boat in mid 2019 before they became national. The authenticity of this show has the same potential. Merry Christmas guys, hopped on to Road Trippin early last season. Channing, hope you have forgiven me for our Pelicans thing 😂🙏🏽. Merry Christmas y’all to you and yours! Hope to host or have a convo with y’all someday.
Yup. Would be super sweet if guys who played in the league and have been traded several times each actually understood how trades and the salary cap worked.
59:30 what do you mean? Plenty teams have been trash with a player then turned it around way later with the same player Olajuwon Rockets was almost literally the same, he called them out in the media saying he wanted to leave for years Perks Celtics before he got their struggled for years with Paul Pierce before they got the big 3 Like please define what you want even talking about and give the examples where you say players moved and it then worked out Because based on what you're describing then you're just wrong
It’s funny talking about a Fox trade. That probably won’t happen. We should be talking about a KD trade as he’s coming up on his usual trade request timeline & the Suns are going NOWHERE fast
My 11 year old brother and I, at 8, used to go to Nuggets games back in the late 70s without parental supervision. The ushers knew us & I'm sure kept an Eye on us, but the 70s & 80s were different!!! Kids learned fast, one way or another to deal with the wider world we were literally tossed into to sink or learn how to swim. It was WONDERFUL 💯😊✌️☮️🕊️ MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE 🎄☃️🏀💛💙⛏️
@jacobchambers7201 that doesn't even make sense mathematically. Perhaps we're fortunate. But I do believe helicopter parenting is ruining much. IMHO ✌️☮️🕊️
The league needs to have a "best player" award voted on by the players only. Absolutely no media. MVP last year was Nikola Jokic yet the best player was arguably Luka Doncic. Any player that has a 73 point game during a season while averaging 33.9 pts, 9.2 reb, 9.8 ast while playing 70 games is deserving of being the best player with hardware.
To me you don’t have to be number 1 or 2 for MVP but u gotta be top 5. And really top 4 in your conference but I’ll extend it to 5 if you have 50 or more wins and you’re putting up crazy ass numbers
Jason Tatum is not well received for whatever reason. Cade Cunningham is coming. He is actually exciting went through his lumps pistons market is better than OKC shai gilgeous-alexander. Anthony Edward’s is just about at his ceiling.
Denver keeps and pays our players Jamal, Jokic, AG,MPJ and even zeke which was a dumb choice to extend him early.The only time we didn’t was this offseason and let kcp walk since they didn’t believe he was worth 20M and we had CB ready to take his spot which ended up being true since he’s playing great as a starter.With Bruce we couldn’t pay him enough to keep him the season he left.
As for Murray, whats worse then avg is at rare moments Russ has a flashback to old Russ, him and Jokic look much better then with Murray . Even with Russ shooting. Passing, cutting moving the ball, fast breaks - even D looks better.. Its just that Russ is mostly done, he can give you 1 out of 5 games. Jokic will never pressure GM, its just not him, hell give it his all and let the chips fall where they may. Fox doesnt have a great 3pt shot, so trading for him doesnt make all that sense, plus Fox had some good teams and never moved the needle.
If Joker, because of standings, ain't this year MVP then Wemby, for the same reasons, ain't this year DPOY. Nuggets need to get backup big and some perimeter defense, dudes like Looney and GPII, nothing flashy, just solid rotation players, some depth
Nuggets got 3 Max contracts. That aint being cheap. And Braun is more than an adecuate replacement for KCP at a fraction of the cost. You guys would be awful team managers. Jamal's defensive effort is lacking, but there is still 75% of season left to be played. Smoke and mirrors to make me write shit and help the algo.
They changed the rules to cater to the European players and they have now overdone it to the point where they are the stars and American players are just wanna be 3 point shooters
If Jimmy is gonna go to the Suns and they’re not getting rid of Brad then they’re gonna have to run offense through Jimmy. He can do it but I just hope they actually DO IT. Cuz he’s a better playmaker than their current 3 stars and you’re gonna HAVE to give up Tyus Jones
Ehhh idkkk fox is good but Murray was a key piece to their championship run. Murry been nursing injury all season. He's already hit back to back game winners and timely shots. He's still him when healthy 💯
MPJ might have value to a few teams he's kinda inconsistent and still has a bad back with a huge contract. I'm an MPJ fan I don't want him to leave the nuggets but he's not a no brainer for 25 other teams
40:47 MVP Criteria: Best Player That Season Best Player in the World Best 2-Way Player in the World Best Player on the Best Team Most Valuable Player to their team
stop hating on European players, wemby is the first to have a real chance to become the greatest ever since MJ, so stop talking about American born players, no one gives a literal crap about where players are born except for ex nba American players 🤣🤣🤣
People keep making ridiculous trade suggestions for the Nuggets. Their offense can hang with anybody, it's not firepower they're lacking. Jokic's teammates not having high point averages doesn't mean anything, it's just because that's their regular season playstyle of passing the ball around and getting everybody involved instead of catering everything through just 2 or 3 players like many other teams do. Put any high scorer on the Nuggets and they would likely only average in the low 20's since they'll have to step back as a no.2 to Jokic and still play team ball.
What is the Nuggets real need is a backup center that can handle defensive capabilities. Deandre Jordan can only log in so many minutes every few games at his age plus Nnaji and Saric have been huge disappointments. Nuggets have relied on having 2 versatile power forwards trying to work together whenever Jokic is off the floor, but they desperately need a true center that can defend and rebound even if they don't offer anything offensively.
WELL SAID... That's what Ive been telling so many fucking haters and ppl who don't watch ball
Yup
The NBA is in the 70s all over again. Let’s enjoy what we’re seeing NOW and enjoy the greats of THIS era. And eventually we’ll get back to the dynasties and dominance. It goes in cycles
Nailed it.
Exactly that, it’s actually a little annoying how older players turned commentators seem to forget how things always have been and just being down the new generation
Y'all should learn the Salary cap rules. Nuggets didn't just "let" good players go. They couldn't offer the same amount of money because of the CBA. Stupid
Cant you go over the cap to re-sign your own free agents? Its just that the luxury tax would have been a lot
They absolutely could have kept some. They would have just had more luxury tax they aren’t hard capped where they’re at like some other teams. They made the choice to not pay more taxes and look where it’s got them.
@@retrosuperfuture5348 they weren't allowed to offer Bruce Brown the same amount of money as other teams. They didn't just let him go. Jeff Green is old. KCP would've put them way over the second apron, preventing them from signing a mid level exception, as well as certain trades. If people with giant platforms are gonna report this way, they need someone who understands the salary cap rules to chime in.
@@retrosuperfuture5348@karsonrivers9880 if you go over the second apron you are pretty much stuck with that team(no matter injury , performance,etc). You become very limited in moves you can make. Trade limitations, Restricted use of the MLE, draft pick restrictions, signings , and overall roster construction.
Not just about the tax
Channing Frye starts off the pod with some dark humor. Love it
I literally dropped my mouth 😂
I genuinely started tearing up throughout this episode that in today’s time there can still be a fair and real hoops talk. The negativity that has been created in covering sports has just taken the fun out of the game itself. Amongst many reasons obviously. Hopped on that Pat McAfee Show boat in mid 2019 before they became national. The authenticity of this show has the same potential. Merry Christmas guys, hopped on to Road Trippin early last season. Channing, hope you have forgiven me for our Pelicans thing 😂🙏🏽. Merry Christmas y’all to you and yours! Hope to host or have a convo with y’all someday.
Nuggets didn’t pay KCP … but they COULD NOT pay Bruce Brown. Calling Nuggets cheap when they literally have THREE max contracts.
Also… Nuggets CANNOT trade Jamal this year.
Yup. Would be super sweet if guys who played in the league and have been traded several times each actually understood how trades and the salary cap worked.
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best nba podcast out there
59:30 what do you mean?
Plenty teams have been trash with a player then turned it around way later with the same player
Olajuwon Rockets was almost literally the same, he called them out in the media saying he wanted to leave for years
Perks Celtics before he got their struggled for years with Paul Pierce before they got the big 3
Like please define what you want even talking about and give the examples where you say players moved and it then worked out
Because based on what you're describing then you're just wrong
It’s funny talking about a Fox trade. That probably won’t happen. We should be talking about a KD trade as he’s coming up on his usual trade request timeline & the Suns are going NOWHERE fast
My 11 year old brother and I, at 8, used to go to Nuggets games back in the late 70s without parental supervision. The ushers knew us & I'm sure kept an Eye on us, but the 70s & 80s were different!!! Kids learned fast, one way or another to deal with the wider world we were literally tossed into to sink or learn how to swim. It was WONDERFUL 💯😊✌️☮️🕊️
MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE 🎄☃️🏀💛💙⛏️
You just got lucky. for every you, there was another 1000 kids that got kidnapped
@jacobchambers7201 that doesn't even make sense mathematically. Perhaps we're fortunate. But I do believe helicopter parenting is ruining much. IMHO ✌️☮️🕊️
The league needs to have a "best player" award voted on by the players only. Absolutely no media.
MVP last year was Nikola Jokic yet the best player was arguably Luka Doncic.
Any player that has a 73 point game during a season while averaging 33.9 pts, 9.2 reb, 9.8 ast while playing 70 games is deserving of being the best player with hardware.
As a Nuggets fan id LOVE to see this happen right now... PLEASE
To me you don’t have to be number 1 or 2 for MVP but u gotta be top 5. And really top 4 in your conference but I’ll extend it to 5 if you have 50 or more wins and you’re putting up crazy ass numbers
Jason Tatum is not well received for whatever reason. Cade Cunningham is coming. He is actually exciting went through his lumps pistons market is better than OKC shai gilgeous-alexander. Anthony Edward’s is just about at his ceiling.
Need him on the spurs ngl
Great 7 minutes,
Shannon thats facts about Giannis. He's a beast!
You can't even trade Jamal for De'Aaron until the offseason, since he just signed an extension back in Sept
Oh Perkins….smh…dude. Murray can’t be traded this year.
that dude can't say "ask"... what do you expect?
@@ashamsthomas6026Yet, you guys watch every episode 😹
Go on any nuggets video, 90% of your fans dont even know he cant be traded either, so its not just perk.
Denver keeps and pays our players Jamal, Jokic, AG,MPJ and even zeke which was a dumb choice to extend him early.The only time we didn’t was this offseason and let kcp walk since they didn’t believe he was worth 20M and we had CB ready to take his spot which ended up being true since he’s playing great as a starter.With Bruce we couldn’t pay him enough to keep him the season he left.
Nice to see someone finally talk about how bad a defender Murray is....he is killing the Nuggets.
Yes Perkins but Jamal win a ring Fox not, and we don't know what it will be like in March and in the play off
Why does it take y’all so long to drop podcast???
i swear. 2 weeks later no pod
Whyd u guys put a spurs logo on there
As for Murray, whats worse then avg is at rare moments Russ has a flashback to old Russ, him and Jokic look much better then with Murray . Even with Russ shooting. Passing, cutting moving the ball, fast breaks - even D looks better.. Its just that Russ is mostly done, he can give you 1 out of 5 games.
Jokic will never pressure GM, its just not him, hell give it his all and let the chips fall where they may.
Fox doesnt have a great 3pt shot, so trading for him doesnt make all that sense, plus Fox had some good teams and never moved the needle.
If Joker, because of standings, ain't this year MVP then Wemby, for the same reasons, ain't this year DPOY. Nuggets need to get backup big and some perimeter defense, dudes like Looney and GPII, nothing flashy, just solid rotation players, some depth
Why does the face of the league have to be an American player?? That seems weird af
The bald guy is the most street ninja I seen on tv
Is the "beef" still going with RJ and Paul pierce? Lol pause
Murray does not play back to back games he gets too tired....as a result they are cooking teams in b2b games.
They don’t have the assets for Fox. I think it will be the rockets
So the Joker rules for MVP are beginning to form! Next up.... Joker's stat padding. lol
Perk funny on the joker take 😅
Zero chance. What would the Nuggets have that team that be rebuilding, in theory, want?
Need Jimmy on the Spurs 😂
Rj and perk you guys don’t even talk about nuggets
Nuggets got 3 Max contracts. That aint being cheap. And Braun is more than an adecuate replacement for KCP at a fraction of the cost. You guys would be awful team managers. Jamal's defensive effort is lacking, but there is still 75% of season left to be played. Smoke and mirrors to make me write shit and help the algo.
Stop, Brown is not even close to KCP. Kcp is better defensively and he is better shooter. Brown has been cooked by every point guard in the league
@Macedon1972 this is not his name, have you seen KCP stats in Orlando. The problem is the max contracts given for nothing.
They changed the rules to cater to the European players and they have now overdone it to the point where they are the stars and American players are just wanna be 3 point shooters
Yall frying him over 2 POINTS smh
Lebron would at most have 1 more MVP. Just like Jokic. Stop making Lebron some victim of MVP criteria. It's embarrassing.
These guys are talking like they're watching nuggets games
If Jimmy is gonna go to the Suns and they’re not getting rid of Brad then they’re gonna have to run offense through Jimmy. He can do it but I just hope they actually DO IT. Cuz he’s a better playmaker than their current 3 stars and you’re gonna HAVE to give up Tyus Jones
But then again can they even make that trade happen without giving up Brad money wise?
Send my brother to TEXAS or FLORIDA
Fox is just like jamal. But better
Not similar at all. Fox is way faster, better at defense, more athletic. Jamal is just a better shooter and craftier iso player.
@jacobchambers7201 you just said what i said.
@@ricanthony13 they are not like each other at all
Jamal murray is 10 times better than fox in playoffs
Dumb Perk hopped on the Buns bandwagon n sunk that ship..who u going for next?
As a nuggets fan we would love to see Fox next to the joker…
Ehhh idkkk fox is good but Murray was a key piece to their championship run. Murry been nursing injury all season. He's already hit back to back game winners and timely shots. He's still him when healthy 💯
Rather see Luka team up with Jokic
Stupid takes by Channing. Jalen Brunson isn’t relatable? Almost every fan is built closer to Brunson than anyone in the nba
If Spurs sign Fox to a supermax, Wemby will be traded before the end of that contract.
Denver has nothing that's worth trading for.. yall think these teams will just give him away.
MPJ has value my friend. Just because you may be butt hurt by Denver doesn’t make your opinion about them count more.
MPJ might have value to a few teams he's kinda inconsistent and still has a bad back with a huge contract. I'm an MPJ fan I don't want him to leave the nuggets but he's not a no brainer for 25 other teams
Completely stopped watching this podcast once perk became a regular addition.
40:47
MVP Criteria:
Best Player That Season
Best Player in the World
Best 2-Way Player in the World
Best Player on the Best Team
Most Valuable Player to their team
stop hating on European players, wemby is the first to have a real chance to become the greatest ever since MJ, so stop talking about American born players, no one gives a literal crap about where players are born except for ex nba American players 🤣🤣🤣
Aaron fox trade for jammal I don't like that Bogdonavic mush better 😂😂😂😂😂