How to Get More Stereo WIDTH in Your Mixes

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  • Опубликовано: 25 ноя 2024

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  • @lekleklekq
    @lekleklekq 2 года назад +19

    9,482 views? It's proof that most people want ready-made formulas instead of talking deeply about audio. Thank you always, master!

  • @Octwavian
    @Octwavian 3 года назад +10

    Some hidden gems in here

  • @DMDvideo10
    @DMDvideo10 Год назад +4

    When I mix the stereo field is one of my main objectives. A lot of engineers I know don't really do this. The idea of certain instruments and vocals placed on one side and trailing FX to the opposite side or wrapping background vox around a lead vocal is essential to a big sound. Using the "hands of the clock" approach allows to to carve out space for everything!

  • @tristandeniet
    @tristandeniet 3 года назад +6

    This is SUPER relevant to me right now. I've been noticing the difference between my mixes and ones that I'm liking are that they have super wide hyper realistic stereo fields. I think the biggest tip I got in this was trying contrasting rhythms in opposite sides. I haven't really thought of that before and I'm excited to try that out.

  • @maxuno8524
    @maxuno8524 3 года назад +2

    Some useful tips. That acoustic mono tip is a gem. It really help my mixes translate better.

  • @Adam-hs1ft
    @Adam-hs1ft 3 года назад +3

    Great video as always, Justin. I do a lot of my track-by-track widening by sending to stereo delays set to take advantage of the Haas Effect, and then blending them in underneath. It is incredibly useful to EQ your sends before they reach the delay so you only widen what you want.

  • @stevenignelzi9257
    @stevenignelzi9257 28 дней назад +1

    RIGHT! Realistic can be boring! My brother (audiophile, blah ,blah) was saying "what are you doing?" "Not hearing the natural sound stage" But then, after I got better than that, I found myself bored, is some cases and starting to bend the rules a lot more! Also, I tend to avoid super hard pans as often times some interest in going to vinyl? !?!? Thanks!!!! Steve

  • @Silver6003
    @Silver6003 7 месяцев назад

    The 5 points are great . I did the first thing a few hours ago . Mixing whilst not mixing …not so much notepad more . Notes in my iPad .

  • @justinhayes3434
    @justinhayes3434 4 месяца назад +1

    Insightful as always! Thanks, Justin!

    • @SonicScoop
      @SonicScoop  4 месяца назад

      Thanks for tuning in!

  • @mikaanttila9251
    @mikaanttila9251 2 года назад +1

    The most useful panning video I have seen - Thanks!

  • @MaticBeats
    @MaticBeats Год назад +1

    This is gold. Thank you

  • @QuinnZoneStudios
    @QuinnZoneStudios 3 года назад +1

    This is great! For me I think using two methods will be ideal. Acoustic mono for real world listening and also the sum to mono on my Apogee Duet for slightly more clinical mono listening.Thank you!

  • @J-DUB-F1
    @J-DUB-F1 3 года назад +3

    I like the "acoustic mono" idea......I may have an old sony boom box stashed away somewhere???
    A fellow mixer friend suggested this to me......transfer mixes to your phone or other bluetooth capable device, and cast it to a bluetooth speaker. Those seem to be the most popular listening device these days. You can pick up a good one anywhere for $30.

    • @hummarstraful
      @hummarstraful 3 года назад +1

      It's a great idea. I have a JBL Extreme on my mixing desk. I render the track, drag it into Itunes, put it on my phone, then via Bluetooth immediately play it through my JBL. I know it to be a great consumer device for music. Someone had one at my job and I heard every type if music through it for a long time. Then bought one. If it sounds good on that is sounds good every where. CLA and Michael Brauar both keep boom boxes in their studios to check mixes on. And both have talked about this in their Mix With The Masters videos.

    • @J-DUB-F1
      @J-DUB-F1 3 года назад

      @@hummarstraful oh yeah, I've heard those. A regular party staple 😉.....they sound great!, but a little more than I want to spend .
      I'm thinking something a bit smaller, maybe $30-50. I still do car checks, but the less CDs burnt and running out to the car the better😏

  • @BillyWrightLive
    @BillyWrightLive 2 года назад

    Thanks Justin! This was great!

  • @izakboom8487
    @izakboom8487 3 года назад

    Thanks for sharing Justin, like to listen to your very useful mix and master reflections!

  • @GeorgeAmodei21
    @GeorgeAmodei21 3 года назад

    Thank you for all you do for us. George

  • @akumusik3582
    @akumusik3582 2 года назад +1

    Another Great Video🎼🕊️

  • @mickimarbhmusic
    @mickimarbhmusic 3 года назад

    Fantastic episode cheers for that 👏

  • @Anders01
    @Anders01 2 года назад

    Great tips. I haven't used multiband widening yet and plan to try the Ozone widener and see what happens when as Justin said to widen the mids more than the highs.

  • @hellcat5
    @hellcat5 2 года назад

    I use ozone 9 to check mono / phase. :) love izotope.

  • @AlanSamuel
    @AlanSamuel 4 месяца назад

    Thanks for all these precious advices. I wonder what you would advise for mixing less commercial music like jazz , boss nova, etc, which is more my kind of music.

  • @lincolnroadrecordingstudio2438
    @lincolnroadrecordingstudio2438 3 года назад

    Great video. Thanks

  • @bernardchartier3696
    @bernardchartier3696 3 года назад +1

    Great ideas and experiences from Justin, as usual. The goal is to keep the listener attention of course. For the composer, to learn et experiment new tricks, playing with panned different frequencies, rythms, textures etc. I recently "played" with panned guitars, sending just a bit of reverb of each one on the opposite side. It gave me a feeling of widening, or at least, that theses guitars were in a more huge room than my "bedroom home-studio". Composing then listening several times a song must not bore myself nor give me a wrong satisfaction just because I did it myself. I try to listen as an unknown one person and ask me two questions: Is it technically correct ? Is the structure coherent ?

  • @vishalchunara1670
    @vishalchunara1670 2 года назад

    Dhanyawad🙏

  • @DEVUNK88
    @DEVUNK88 2 года назад

    not a sound engineer, but I can imagine I would like the kick, snare vocal in the center and everything else off to the side approach. I can almost hear how intense that could be

  • @alejandropilijos
    @alejandropilijos 3 года назад +1

    Thanks for your Tips, are very usefull. Id like to known more about it. Could you make some video talking about mid size /st eq and the lp in compress the mix buss to enhance the center power and the clarity. Thanks in advance from Argentina.

  • @MattyAmendola
    @MattyAmendola 3 года назад +1

    Nice!! 👊

  • @undercrownhiphop9422
    @undercrownhiphop9422 Год назад

    Can u do a podcast on reggae bass mixing and tracking ideas?And maybe approaches to mixing the instruments. Reference track is Damien and Kabaka “ Red, Gold and Green”. Love that sound.

  • @oskeetwitdabeat
    @oskeetwitdabeat 3 года назад +1

    Can you cover low tuned distorted guitars getting to cut through and cleaning them up to sound less muddy?

  • @JPGProducciones
    @JPGProducciones 3 года назад

    12:20 The little "risk" about to pan different rhythms is, if the arrangement is not well done, kinda distracts the focus on the singer.....IMO. Nice video Justin!

  • @wiggesobk
    @wiggesobk 3 года назад

    Very helpful!

  • @ClydeneBalkeMusic
    @ClydeneBalkeMusic 9 месяцев назад

    Thank you so much for all your videos. I am taking audio production classes at a local community college and was introduced to your channel through the mixing class.
    I am recording an a capella gospel album where I sing all the parts myself. I have the melody in the center and have recorded 3 tracks for the 2 harmony parts. Right now I have the three tracks LCR for each voice part. So, Part 1a Left, Part 1b Center, Part 1c Right.... and the same for Part 1a, b, and c.
    What are your thoughts on how to get a wide mix with this setting?

  • @eternalgospels
    @eternalgospels 7 месяцев назад

    My solution is to mix it analog on a board. The imperfections give me a natural width and clean stereo. The older the mixing board the better and greater the inconsistencies that give width.

    • @SonicScoop
      @SonicScoop  7 месяцев назад

      Yes, this can help add some width. Even just having differing amounts of noise in left and right can help increase width perception. All that can help at the edges. But these changes are minor compared to the kinds of bigger picture mixing decisions discussed here.
      -Justin

  • @sleepisoptional
    @sleepisoptional 3 года назад +3

    the trick to wide mixes is to use mono sounds strategically. LCR works especially well with delays to fill in the space. be very careful about overlaying stereo on top of stereo… turns to mush.
    use echoboy rhythm mode and pay very close attention to tweak/width/panning of delay taps. save reverb for vocal/hook/snare
    mono is a line, stereo is a plane.

  • @hummarstraful
    @hummarstraful 3 года назад +1

    I downloaded Brainworx Bx-solo the other day. Been playing with it on my mix bus. I notice that if guitars are already panned, Bx_solo will push them out even further, but then in mono (or in my car) the guitars are gone or have much less volume then I heard through my studio monitors. I do rock and usually do the thing you mentioned which is two rhythm tracks panned 100% right and left. Do you have a preferred method when using these widening plugins during mixing stage? I pan my guitars full L and R, yet still hear recordings where the guitars sounds much more apart then mine, even if they are just doubled parts. I've seen CLA use the Waves Stereo Imager to widen stereo guitar tracks. It just seems that there is a sweet spot when widening. It's got to work in mono, too. Does that make sense?

    • @GroundBeef1
      @GroundBeef1 3 года назад

      You can try a bit of Haas panning

  • @cassboyyy7243
    @cassboyyy7243 3 года назад +1

    I wanna know how to EQ speakers, I can't seem to find any tutorials/guides

  • @DjBasscleft
    @DjBasscleft 3 года назад

    Hi justin i really learn alot of good stuff from your videos. Thanks for such an amazing channel.
    I have a question abt ozone maximizer.
    What is the use of output gain in the maximizer.

  • @matthewv789
    @matthewv789 3 года назад

    Haha here I am struggling to successfully widen a stereo mix (no access to any multitrack original if there ever was any, I think it was recorded straight to stereo), using the Ozone Imager, with the width increasing with frequency, and wondering if there is a better tool...
    The problem is the track is two classical instruments that were each panned almost hard to one side or the other in the stereo mix, which sounds great in terms of separation and stereo width but is not a natural balance to have one instrument in one ear and the other instrument in the other ear, and radically different from the other tracks on the album.
    I’m trying to figure out how to mix them both closer to the center while maintaining the separation and sense of width and stereo imaging, without adding any coloration or artificiality, which classical tracks are very sensitive too. (I find if I do barely anything, they get increasingly fatiguing to listen to.)
    After remixing in RX (I don’t even have a DAW, I’m just doing editing, noise reduction, and mastering in stereo) and widening in the Ozone imager, I also did a bit of subtle mid-side EQ. Scooping out the bass slightly in the middle for clarity and adding a slight high-mid-range boost in the sides seemed to accentuate it a bit.
    And I often listen through just my laptop or even iPhone speakers as a check, in addition to earbuds and headphones (and occasionally clicking the mono button in ozone). A car check is next. (My biggest annoyance with ozone: it makes the fan go crazy on my laptop which makes it hard to hear until I can check an export later... working on zero budget definitely has drawbacks...)

  • @treymoon205
    @treymoon205 Год назад

    Waves ‘vitamin’ sonic enhancer fits the multi band imager plug-in sector right?

  • @VinnieLeeStudio
    @VinnieLeeStudio 3 года назад

    I think the filter plugin from PA has eliptical filter option.

  • @legacysupplies3132
    @legacysupplies3132 3 года назад +5

    Hey Justin, it's a bit off topic but I hear a lot of rock mixers mention having synths in their mixes but I'm yet to read or hear much detail about this and what they are using them for. I imagine these synths support the chord changes of a song or guitar solos. Are my assumptions correct and would you mind sharing your thoughts on when and how to use "hidden" synths?

    • @hummarstraful
      @hummarstraful 3 года назад +2

      I've seen them used a lot to support the bass parts in rock.

    • @5adb0i
      @5adb0i 3 года назад +2

      I would recommend you listen to some metalcore like Asking Alexandria, Attack Attack, Bring Me The Horizon, etc. to get a feel. These bands use them more obviously, but it will get attuned what to listen for. More often than not, they're usually background supporting elements or a counter melody that is intentionally buried in the mix, so you don't notice it until you've heard the song for the 50th time and it adds something new to the listening experience.

    • @Octwavian
      @Octwavian 3 года назад +5

      Atmospheric pads and fast arpeggiators are really common but subtile in modern rock.

    • @changethings6121
      @changethings6121 3 года назад +1

      @@5adb0i thank you 👍 i've definitely heard heavy bands use them in an obvious way. It's the secret synths you don't necessarily hear that I've been wondering about. I'll check those tunes out though. Thanks again.

    • @changethings6121
      @changethings6121 3 года назад +1

      @@Octwavian this is what I'd like to know more about 👍👍👍

  • @meis18mofo77
    @meis18mofo77 2 года назад

    hardpanning sounds like a bee that snuck into your ear is playing it when you wear headphones, maybe don't without at least some strong crossfeeding element like a ping pong delay or stereo reverb. I personally prefer panning around 80% and then using a hass delay and lowpass on the less loud side, perceptively pushes it that extra bit to the side and since the delayed signal is so much less loud then the main one and lowpassed the combfiltering is relatively subtle in mono.

  • @BryanScheinkopf
    @BryanScheinkopf 3 года назад

    Hey Justin, was wondering if you had the time to talk about recording and mixing non-narrative dialogue over music or musical instruments for RUclips videos - specifically stuff like gear reviews and instructional videos for let’s say recording a guitar amp or using a wah pedal

  • @johnbennett8511
    @johnbennett8511 2 месяца назад

    Hi i seem to get mixes that sound mono i export them as stereo but they sound narrow. I work in cubase 13 elements and produce in fl studio 21

  • @justinhayes3434
    @justinhayes3434 4 месяца назад

    Can you do an episode on drum transient shaping?

    • @SonicScoop
      @SonicScoop  4 месяца назад

      Would love to! I talk a little bit about transient shaping in compressors and limiters here: ruclips.net/video/qe7OEVKkLJQ/видео.html
      But I don't have a free video yet on dedicated transient shaper tools. Would love to do it!
      -Justin

  • @Keroser1983
    @Keroser1983 3 года назад

    Could please someone give more details for Acoustic Mono? I could not find a decent source online. How can I efficiently achieve that?

  • @Hassan_Omer
    @Hassan_Omer 2 года назад

    I m actually surprised that you said not to boost highs on the sides!! i thought that sides is where the highs should be !! i think you were talking about mid side mode right ?

  • @derekmidgley
    @derekmidgley 3 года назад

    Thanks for this one, it's so much food for thought. Quick question: when you speak of maybe throwing away one side (of a stereo instrument) and just hard panning it, any reason we couldn't just sum it to mono and then hard pan it, so as not to lose one "half" of it?

    • @Octwavian
      @Octwavian 3 года назад

      I don't think it matters. Summing to mono would be almost the same thing, and you would not lose any information that way 👍

  • @grsfhhytff
    @grsfhhytff 3 года назад

    I've always checked mono compatibility with my DAW and it usually does sound as weird as can be!
    Now I know why! Thanks!
    I had it down to phase issues but no matter how carefully I phase aligned (even using a phase meter) there would always be a volume drop in the panned elements!
    If I don't have a 'mono' button on my hardware would it work undoing, or lessening my panning before checking mono in my DAW, or would that still be counter productive and I'd be better listening from the opposite corner of the room?
    Cheers!

    • @24k-n6x
      @24k-n6x 3 года назад +1

      try pan law -4.5 dB . this means when you hard pan, the sound will be 4.5dB louder than it would be if it was centered (and all the inbetween values from 0db to 4.5fb for C and L/R respectively).

    • @grsfhhytff
      @grsfhhytff 3 года назад +1

      @@24k-n6x Thanks for the advice! I'll give that a shot next time I'm on my DAW!
      Much appreciated!

  • @CLdwyer
    @CLdwyer 3 года назад

    So, for a mastering engineer, I can understand the use of having a way to “mono” the bass but in the mixing aspect, you can’t fix a low end that’s missing definition. High passing other elements, arrangement, phase compatibility of bass & kick. If I’m mono-ing the bass at the master level it’s to attempt to make a frequency range above it sound more wide and I’d make sure to check level, phase/sum/difference and the mono level. These widener plug-ins can negatively affect the power of a mix.

  • @TRaddcliff
    @TRaddcliff 8 месяцев назад

    So my question is: I listen to ref tracks I have. They have hard panned elements. Nothing coming from the opposite side. And it sounds amazing as a whole. But when I pan some of my elements it’s so apparent and feels unbalanced. 🤷🏾‍♂️

  • @apriljoy6177
    @apriljoy6177 5 месяцев назад

    Can I pan the pan

  • @JohnFraserFindlay
    @JohnFraserFindlay Год назад

    I think FM radio might have done some widening along with limiting

    • @SonicScoop
      @SonicScoop  Год назад

      To my understanding, the act of FM transmission creates enough crosstalk that some stereo separation is lost when transmitting.
      To make up for this, a lot of FM stations would do some widening.
      But depending on how powerful their signal was and how close you are to the station, whether or not the resulting sound came up on your system sounding wider or narrower than the original is anyone’s guess!
      In any event, that widening processing almost certainly had some effect on the tone-whether or not it ended up sounding wider on your system in the end.
      -Justin

    • @JohnFraserFindlay
      @JohnFraserFindlay Год назад

      @@SonicScoop great reply tx..the widening on FM when I was a kid in the 70s kind of hyped my ear for that affect..but on the other hand our stereo systemplaying records etc..was fairly standard L/R

  • @leonid998
    @leonid998 3 года назад

    but what you hard pan can disappear in mono : D

  • @cruzyrecordstv1041
    @cruzyrecordstv1041 3 года назад +1

    I’d like to add a tip, I usually get some synth chords and duplicate them I’ll have the main one mono and the duplicate one with haas effect. That way it translate well in Mono

    • @hummarstraful
      @hummarstraful 3 года назад +2

      I've been experimenting in a similar way with Brainworx Bx_solo ( a widener plugin.) I put the plugin on an aux channel and experimented with sending the drum room or a stereo pair of already panned guitars. When I bring the aux fader up it widens those tracks but with out the loss of the mono down the middle. But when I put the BX_solo on the individual tracks, the middle can really disappear very easily.

    • @cruzyrecordstv1041
      @cruzyrecordstv1041 3 года назад +1

      @@hummarstraful interesting, imma give that a try. Thanks

    • @Adam-hs1ft
      @Adam-hs1ft 3 года назад

      @@hummarstraful I really like bx_solo. One of the better sounding width plugins I've used, and awesome for checking Mono compatibility in your DAW.

  • @Brpwndood
    @Brpwndood Год назад

    Might help to add compression to this video vocal track, sounds muddy fr

    • @SonicScoop
      @SonicScoop  Год назад

      There was a month where Adobe Premiere disabled all the EQ, compression and other mic processing on our video exports, and we had no idea. This is one of those videos 🤷
      Unfortunately, YouTUbe doesn't let you replace or fix videos, so here it is. Congratulations! I think you're the first person to complain on this one 🤣
      Sometimes Premiere glitches when you update it, and it's super annoying.
      I believe the audio only version on Apple Podcasts and the like should have all the proper audio processing applied.
      -Justin

  • @anatol1204
    @anatol1204 Год назад +2

    2%listen to classical music in America ? Tragedy..

  • @carloscabrera2027
    @carloscabrera2027 3 года назад

    also practical examples, please.

  • @Durnsx
    @Durnsx 3 года назад

    I'm no flutist but I am pan-sexual

  • @SantaAnaCreations
    @SantaAnaCreations 2 года назад

    Why are people so limiting why are yall scared of panning? I hate this about surround sound mixing for films they have 6 + speakers and they place everything in LCR its pathetic. Also protools is ruining your panning cuz their pan pots are stupid they dont work like a normal pan pot, i also never get why people record things in stereo thats just idiotic smh

  • @rockinrobby19
    @rockinrobby19 2 года назад +1

    It was 3 minutes before you said "let's get in to it." What exactly were you attempting to accomplish for 3 minutes before people who clicked wanted to hear about widening mixes? I don't know, and I didn't listen to the rest as it seems you are "redacted..."