I just came to say that but youve done it for me, good man. - My favourite role of his will always be G'Karm so many utterly stunning scenes portrayed by him and Londo, far more worthy of an Oscar than half the tripe of hollywood. The ones I was most moved by was his speech to the non aligned worlds on freedom after naan fell. Though it may take a thousand years, we will be free. - "no hiding place"was also very special. - His funniest scene has to be the lift with Lando after the bombing. Dark humoured and practically psychotic, apparently mostly ad libbed by them. ruclips.net/video/NkwF5BBL26I/видео.html
Don't forget that Picard is in command of the most powerful Federation starship. The warbird is certainly a match for it, but the Enterprise wouldn't be a pushover. But yes, agreed that PS is a talented actor.
@@DarMokChannel I loved his scene with Q when they were waxing philosophies about the nature of Shakespeare's writing and how utterly baffled Q was when he silenced by Picard.
Thats why picard is my most favorite captain from this era, amazing acying and well written character. I beileve picard is the most accurate example potrayong a personality of real life commanding officer, some one who served in real life navy or army can confirm it.
Love this scene. It always intrigued me that the Romulan commander seems genuinely concerned for his officer, added depth to Tomalak that I always liked.
The parallel of Geordi and the romulan counting on each other to stay alive down there (individuals), while up there is all grudge and people ready to kill each other (organized collective). Phenomenal episode. Imo is right up there with stuff like Balance of terror, Best of Both Worlds, etc.
I'd say Tomalok got out of this pretty cleanly here. He crossed the Neutral Zone, got his man back, and that man wasn't interrogated by the Federation as to why he was caught on a Federation planet, even though he was beamed onto the Enterprise. And it was all without a fight.
Because, above all else, Picard was trying to protect the piece with Romulus. With their Warbird nose to nose with the Enterprise, if they tried to hold and interrogate him it could have sparked an attack from Tomalok and started a war.
Tamalak made a great recurring foil for Picard. In his own way he was nearly as shrewd a strategist and diplomat as Picard. He knew when it was more advantageous to fold, and accepted being outmaneuvered with good grace and respect.
I kind of like the functional simplicity of the Cardassian Galar class. It's a generation behind the state of the art but still packs a wallop. The Galar exists to do one thing, that is kill other ships with its heavy phasers. and if it's supported by escort and picket ships it can do it very effectively. Alone though, it's very vulnerable to being outmaneivered.
January 1997 I was so psyched when I found out the Star Trek Fact Files were released in UK. First issue was Enterprise-D, second was Romulan Warbird, seeing those gorgeous ships on the front covers was a slice of Trek heaven.
In this Era, yup. Now it’s the Dominin Battle Cruiser, the Defiant (for sheer firepower), the Galor Class Cardassian Cruiser (as by the time of the dominion war, the were upgraded to be on par with the Federation’s best ships) and the Species 8472 Bioships
@@Not-Ap I like the Vorcha. But at best, it can maybe go toe to toe with an Ambassador Class. The D'Deridex has inferior sensors and lower warp speed compared to the Galaxy. Comparable armament, yet the bulk of theor weaponry is forward-facing along the prow, whilst the GCS has nearly full coverage weaponry, somewhat negating the capability of direct assault that the Warbird possesses. 1v1, it's a legitimate toss-up.
This is why Picard is such a great character. He can stand up to an enemy, but also make a peaceful gesture. Today's leaders would probably view Picard as weak. Too bad our leaders aren't more like
"I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery. But I'm pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you f--- with me, I'll kill you all." ~ Gen, James Mattis
@@BloodSweatandGears But many leaders in the US still don't wish ill on others and try to be diplomatic. Sure that may not be the case in Britain, Sweden, Denmark, Russia, Israel or Spain but in the US it's still the case
Centurian Bakra was played by John Snyder who graduated from Melrose (Ma.) High School with us.John also played Dianna Troy's love interest as Aaron Conor in the TNG episode 'The Masterpeci Society'.
Tomulak: ...I was obviously misinformed about the size of the craft. Picard's polite response must be Starfleet's politest way of saying "You are so full of s**t."
I think that's why they gave Picard command of the flagship Enterprise. I think Starfleet would be in another war by the end of season 3 if it was anyone else. lol.
Stellar in every sense of the word- the storylines, the actors, the set pieces; when you take into account just how tight the filming budget actually was- TNG becomes all that more impressive. Television today begs for something of this caliber- yet we seem wholly unwilling or unable to create anything comparable to this show. On another note, I'm still pissed that Enterprise was cancelled right as it was getting it's legs... We were robbed of what no doubt would've become more classic Trek- the whole Andorian arc would've made an amazing 5th season.
Very much agree with all of your comments, especially the lose of probably 3 more seasons of Enterprise. Which as you say was getting better and better, thanks for your input, always welcome.
I'd say that - although the style is very different - The Expanse definitely does provide the same level of depth, quality and thoughtfulness as this on current tv. It's what makes The Expanse so special - there's been nothing like it for so long. While I miss old style Trek immensely, it definitely satisfies my sci-fi itch.
This is my favorite Star Trek moment. Tomalak could have easily destroyed the Enterprise when Picard asked Worf to power down their shields. It seems like he didn't want to be responsible for starting a war with the Federation. I also like this episode because Geordi made friends with that Romulan officer. Something that wasn't possible before.
Gotta wonder what happened to that centurion. The Romulans are a lot like North Korea. They don’t even trust their own. I suspect that Romulan soldier was probably held responsible for the failure of his mission and either executed or sent to a reeducation camp because he was exposed to alien influence. The Romulans are not known for being gentle with their people.
@@Spanner249 by “good” I hope you mean acting. Lol. This is the Romulan who wanted to display the broken hull of the Enterprise in the Romulan capital city.
Not to mention their home world is named Romulus, who was the legendary founder of Rome. In Star Trek: Nemesis the Remans were from the planet Remus, which was the name of Romulus' twin brother.
Well, let's not forget the federation has automatic translators, therefore those can be approximations it chose because the roman empire may be very close to their culture.
Oh, we do! We do! They're all 'round us, every day, trying to keep shit settled even while the rest of the world seems bent on creating a dust-up. And many of them are in the news, too -- but almost always because of some (self-inflicted) besmerchment upon their otherwise _heroic_ efforts. We are a scary species.
"Lieutenant, lower the shields." (In an aside to Riker): "All right, Riker, we just unzipped our fly. Now if that bastard so much as twitches, I'm gonna blow him right to Mars."
@ludbud57 Because the ships are the size of Manhattan? Seriously... the Enterprise-D does not appear to maneuver gingerly [outside of Picard Season 3]. It looked absolutely sluggish at turning around in Generations. The only time it looked really responsive was when Picard piloted it out of an energy-sapped minefield. So having a significant turn radius wouldn't surprise me. Not sure if a warbird pivots on a dime either...
@@varianschirmer9375 besides the stupid season 3 borg cube stuff, of course the D isnt super manoeuvrable, but why would it warp in the complete opposite direction rather than simply using RCS in order to stay in close range to the romulan warbird? Obviously its just a silly mistake we’re looking into too much and i dont really care, but fun to think about these things lol
Definitely one of my favorite episodes. i always had high hopes that the Romulans would come around one day and at least be at peace with the Federation, but alas a Kelvin Timeline and a Supernova..........................
This was great. A Romulan and Human showing respect for each other, and even saving each other. Precursor to the Dominion War, even though Star Fleet were actually the evil ones as far as getting the Romulans to be allies.
Calling them evil is simplistic. The Romulans were sitting on the sideline and trying to wait this out so they could jump on the winning side at minimal cost to them. Garraks original an at least proposed on paper to use the recording to convince them. Whether he actually believed that has a chance is very questionable but the bomb was an effective backup plan.
@@Ragitsu The Federation aren't good guys. They only give off the impression they're good guys. Their help comes at the cost of your culture, identity and sovereignty. They're the ultimate colonial power.
This little man of Gallia (France) convincing the Roman Empire to abstain from Violence through eloquence and a level head. This must truly be the future. Although I suspect the matched Arsenal probably helped as well.
I honestly think that Tomalak was being honest about being misinformed and was fully truthful. I can't think of a time where he was flat out deceptive. Kidnapping of course, and blunt and even arrogant, but never deceptive.
Tomalak participated in the Jarok plot in which one of their own admirals was fed lies in a very malicious and deceptive way to lure the Enterprise into a trap.
@@anon_9221 And there is nothing worse to/for a Captain/Commander of a ship than to not look in control or to know everything. And to be challenged like that in front of his men is aweful.
Tomalak is clearly being deceptive, not only in this scene, but also throughout the episode (as well as another). He's playing his cards close to his chest, making everything he says vague and sounding legitimate should the evidence (or lack thereof) support his position, but he _is_ hiding important information that would be detrimental to their tentative relationship with the Federation should it be revealed. Given that this is Romulans that we're talking about, I don't doubt for a single second that they have plans against the Federation.
No but it was probably from Bakra that they learned that the VISOR could be reprogrammed. He probably didn't do it on purpose but his report almost inevitably led to the scheme with Geordi later on
the chance for laforge to meet this guy in picard s3 and return the favor now that they both have more power is an opportunity that makes me hopeful for the future.
What a Picard strategy, he risked his ship and his crew to save one of his crewmen (LaForge). Tomalak could just have fired and scored a first strike. Not noticed by many is when Worf dropped the shields, he put his fingers over on the weapons control. So if the Romulans did strike first, he was ready for the return shot.
The actor also guest-starred in an episode of Babylon 5. That episode was from the mid-first season, entitled: “By Any Means Necessary.” It had a surprise ending. I doubt that Commander Tomalak and Centurian Bakrum were father and son, however.
@@brianvincentdoucet4273 If not his son then his protégé considering he seemed very concerned that he had not been harmed and agreed to power down his weapons meaning he valued Bochra more than other members of his crew.
Possible I was thinking about the same thing.if I was tomallok I definitely would sacrifice 1 man to destroy enemy flag ship and kill over 1000 enemies.hard hit for Starfleet and he knew that he had the chance to do it and he didn't.unless as I suspect that was his son🤔🤔🤔🤔 then of course his actions make perfect sense
As much as it pains me to say this, being a fan of TNG and the Star Trek universe, that rescued Romulan more than likely didn't make it back to Romulus due to either some form of accident on the way back or during his after action review.
2:46 - Isn't it weird how when the camera angle changes toward the viewscreen, the image on the viewscreen's angle also changes, like it's a 3D hologram and not a flat screen?
Picard in TNG is one of the most refined products of a mature and enlightened civilization. I think we as a people still have a way to go before a man like him will truly have the opportunity to lead.
Eh... more similar to the Cuban Missile Crisis than the tensions between the US and Iran. Iran doesn’t have the capability to destroy the US. The Soviet Union did.
Safe a few people and prevent a possible war. Was it a gamble? Yes. But the other option would have to provoke a fight, which might resulted in the destruction of one of both ships and a war, which would have cost far more lives. And if the Romulans wanted to start a fight, they most likely would have done so allready. So the risk of said gamble was calculated.
Would have liked to se more of Tomalok. Katsulas is of course already well known from Babylon 5 and he did excellent work on that show. But him and Patrick Stewart together would have been magic. Two shakespearian actors going head to head on a Star Trek show. Awesome.
I'd have at least disabled them when their shields were dropped. No prisoners. No starfleet technology. One dirty officer. He could have had it all. Disect the Enterprise for every bit of technical information and leave it's broken hull on his new front lawn. Imprison the Starfleet personnel and assimilate the families into Romulan culture as a PR stunt. That's not just a promotion, that's a Senator's seat. I'd have voted for him. Long live The Empire.
Such an act would have started another war with the Federation. An unprovoked attack against a Federation vessel - the Enterprise, no less - in Federation space. A war that the Romulans would have lost, given the Klingons were allies of the Federation at this time, and they were always eager for a scrap with the Romulans.
The Romulans were such a good enemy for the Federation. I would love to see someone competent doing the old Federation/ Klingon war and Federation/Romulan first few encounters in a Star Trek series.
I always thought Star Trek should make an anthology series telling stories from different points in the Federation history. One of them could tell the Romulan/Earth war
I find the Romulans to be so fascinating. They’re often viewed as dishonorable, conniving, and warmongering, and perhaps some of them are. But some of them also have their own sense of honor. And then there’s the episodes with Spock, when we learn that not all Romulans have the same views when it comes to other species. In this episode, you can see that Tamalok was concerned about the well being of one of his soldiers. And then there’s my favorite interaction, when the Federation, Klingons, Cardassians, and Romulans were investigating a mysterious genetic sequence that revealed that they are all actually descendants of a long extinct progenitor species. It was the Romulan captain that was willing to accept the concept of a sort of distant kinship with Humanity, and that perhaps, one day there may be peace between both species. I love that the writers gave each species layers, and didn’t just make each one good or bad.
I just realized that he could have separated the ship, keep the saucer between the romulans and the stardrive, and then the stardrive could drop it's shields to beam Laforge up.
Last use of the type 1 phaser was by Chakotay in Voyager's "In the Flesh." But good catch noticing Worf's choice. Usually he pulls a type 2 out of nowhere behind his console!
When I was younger our CRT TV wasn't the best, so I could never make out the Type 1. It just looked like they were pretending to hold something. It made a lot of scenes... Less tense than they should have been
This episode was good I remmeber it back in the day but now the funny part of it was that the Enterprise was supposed to escort them out of the netrual zone an both went the opposite way lol
I'm sure the Enterprise was just turning around. ;-) But for budgetary reasons they reused a shot from an earlier episode, when they found the home world of the Iconians.
3:06 Disruptors powering down. Anyone know how the disruptors compare to the phasers on Enterprise? Do the Romulans have physical weapons similar to the photon torpedoes?
in the original series, the Romulans in The Balance Of Terror also used disruptors. Even back then, they were powerful enough to tear through shields and was quoted as having penetrated through an entire mile of solid iron to reach and destroy an outpost beneath the surface of an asteroid. It can be assumed they only got stronger since Kirk's time, and far superior to phasers.
I came here to remind myself of how awesome of a villain the Romulans could be...and how sad it is what Jar Jar Abrams and the rest of the writers of the Trek series have done to this once classic villain...and to Jean-Luc Picard...
Crusher asks Worf to watch the Romulan die because Worf does not want to give the Romulan his the life saving blood. Then she conveniently walks out the room while the Romulan is about to die. Oh, how I hate her...
Tomaluk: You doubt my good faith? Picard: Let's just say my "faith" would be strengthened by a gesture from YOU... such as powering down your disruptors. Tomulak gestures to his tactical officer.
Thing is with TNG... The only actor that really understood his character in the first episode was John DeLancey as "Q".All the others had to grow into their character roles. But DeLancey just had to play a Cosmic Trickster God... And he nailed it.
God, i miss Star Trek when it was good. I go back and rewatch my dvds when i can. Especially Season 4 of Enterprise. They cancel it and what do they give us? Trash.
Inconsistency in technology. They can't use the transporters when the shields are up, but they can do two way voice communications. It's also an electromagnetic medium, it would be garbled by the shields.
The comms technology of star trek utilises subspace, whereas the transporters are a matter/energy converter that breaks down matter in one place into an energy stream, and reconstitutes it in another place. Which needs the shields to be down or the energy stream can't get to it's destination and is scattered and lost. Think of it as... warp phones. Just like the ship can enter warp with the shields up, so can their communications.
Rest in peace, Andreas Katsulas (Commander Tomalak/Ambassador G'kar) One of the greatest actors in science fiction.
+Eric Langlois Well said, yet another wonderfully talented star lost this year. Very Sad.
I was such a huge Babylon 5 fan he always lives on in my mind as Citizen G'Kar, I often forget just how wonderful he was as Tomalak.
I just came to say that but youve done it for me, good man.
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My favourite role of his will always be G'Karm so many utterly stunning scenes portrayed by him and Londo, far more worthy of an Oscar than half the tripe of hollywood. The ones I was most moved by was his speech to the non aligned worlds on freedom after naan fell. Though it may take a thousand years, we will be free.
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"no hiding place"was also very special.
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His funniest scene has to be the lift with Lando after the bombing. Dark humoured and practically psychotic, apparently mostly ad libbed by them.
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@@DarMokChannel i love that scene
Wait....he played G'Kar? Damn it how did I not know that? He was a WONDERFUL actor from two WONDERFUL Sci-fi TV Shows.
Patrick Stewart gives such great "I'm here to promote peace but I am prepared to absolutely ruin your shit if I have to" vibes.
He acted Shakespeare you know. 😁😁😁😷😷😁😁😁
Don't forget that Picard is in command of the most powerful Federation starship. The warbird is certainly a match for it, but the Enterprise wouldn't be a pushover. But yes, agreed that PS is a talented actor.
@@DarMokChannel I loved his scene with Q when they were waxing philosophies about the nature of Shakespeare's writing and how utterly baffled Q was when he silenced by Picard.
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Thats why picard is my most favorite captain from this era, amazing acying and well written character. I beileve picard is the most accurate example potrayong a personality of real life commanding officer, some one who served in real life navy or army can confirm it.
Love this scene. It always intrigued me that the Romulan commander seems genuinely concerned for his officer, added depth to Tomalak that I always liked.
The parallel of Geordi and the romulan counting on each other to stay alive down there (individuals), while up there is all grudge and people ready to kill each other (organized collective).
Phenomenal episode. Imo is right up there with stuff like Balance of terror, Best of Both Worlds, etc.
I'd say Tomalok got out of this pretty cleanly here. He crossed the Neutral Zone, got his man back, and that man wasn't interrogated by the Federation as to why he was caught on a Federation planet, even though he was beamed onto the Enterprise. And it was all without a fight.
Because, above all else, Picard was trying to protect the piece with Romulus. With their Warbird nose to nose with the Enterprise, if they tried to hold and interrogate him it could have sparked an attack from Tomalok and started a war.
Romulans got what was coming to them, their arrogance matched Cardassians.
Tamalak made a great recurring foil for Picard. In his own way he was nearly as shrewd a strategist and diplomat as Picard. He knew when it was more advantageous to fold, and accepted being outmaneuvered with good grace and respect.
Let Sloan talk to his man.
I have a feeling that there are other counselors in the ship to do the interrogating each time an enemy is brought onboard.
The D'Deridex and the Galaxy, two of the most powerful, yet beautiful starships in Star Trek.
I kind of like the functional simplicity of the Cardassian Galar class. It's a generation behind the state of the art but still packs a wallop. The Galar exists to do one thing, that is kill other ships with its heavy phasers. and if it's supported by escort and picket ships it can do it very effectively. Alone though, it's very vulnerable to being outmaneivered.
@@hagamapama The Klingon Vorcha and NegVar aren't to shabby either imo.
January 1997 I was so psyched when I found out the Star Trek Fact Files were released in UK. First issue was Enterprise-D, second was Romulan Warbird, seeing those gorgeous ships on the front covers was a slice of Trek heaven.
In this Era, yup. Now it’s the Dominin Battle Cruiser, the Defiant (for sheer firepower), the Galor Class Cardassian Cruiser (as by the time of the dominion war, the were upgraded to be on par with the Federation’s best ships) and the Species 8472 Bioships
@@Not-Ap I like the Vorcha. But at best, it can maybe go toe to toe with an Ambassador Class. The D'Deridex has inferior sensors and lower warp speed compared to the Galaxy. Comparable armament, yet the bulk of theor weaponry is forward-facing along the prow, whilst the GCS has nearly full coverage weaponry, somewhat negating the capability of direct assault that the Warbird possesses. 1v1, it's a legitimate toss-up.
"Put on your best poker face" Tomalak knew better than be influenced by that beard. He kept the viewscreen off.
"If my officer has been harmed in any way ..."
"I TOLD THEM NOTHING, SIR!"
They're obviously not hiding anything. Not hiding anything at all.
You just see their pointy ears and bowl cuts and assume they're up to something. That's what it is, isn't it? You racist bigot!
Well, it's an unfortunate reality that between two nations in conflict a captive can be tortured to be extracted tactical informations from.
Romulans conduct very thorough debriefings. They live in a police state where everyone is in fear of everyone else.
Plausible deniability is a major tool of diplomacy.
I love the phased stand-down where each side de-escalates their readiness bit by bit. Very exciting Cold War vibes :)
"We have good reason to distrust one another, but we have even better reason to set those differences aside."
Picard crafted beautiful speeches.
@@danieldickson8591 Agreed.
His speech, how apt for today?
Humanity could learn from such a speech.
This is why Picard is such a great character. He can stand up to an enemy, but also make a peaceful gesture. Today's leaders would probably view Picard as weak. Too bad our leaders aren't more like
Trouble is, there are also too many like Tomalak who are also even more devious than him
@@gaydonaldtrump cardassians
Nowadays leaders wouldn't see him as weak as they are evenmore weaker and more cowardly than he is.
"I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery. But I'm pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you f--- with me, I'll kill you all." ~ Gen, James Mattis
@@BloodSweatandGears But many leaders in the US still don't wish ill on others and try to be diplomatic. Sure that may not be the case in Britain, Sweden, Denmark, Russia, Israel or Spain but in the US it's still the case
Centurian Bakra was played by John Snyder who graduated from Melrose (Ma.) High School with us.John also played Dianna Troy's love interest as Aaron Conor in the TNG episode 'The Masterpeci Society'.
that's Deanna Troi dude.
@@nigelmurphy6761 Diana of Troy.
*Brinkmanship:* The art or practice of pursuing a dangerous policy to the limits of safety before stopping, especially in politics.
Tomulak: ...I was obviously misinformed about the size of the craft.
Picard's polite response must be Starfleet's politest way of saying "You are so full of s**t."
shit
Tomulak is the classic villian in the best way. Everytime I see the Romulan ship the Alien creature comes to mind lol
They both knew it was s**t, and they both knew that the other knew it. But diplomacy demands that the public forms be observed.
I think that's why they gave Picard command of the flagship Enterprise. I think Starfleet would be in another war by the end of season 3 if it was anyone else. lol.
A Human, a Romulan. and a Klingon walk into a turbolift...
Is this going to be just like the Game of Thrones, Tyrion's honeycomb and a jackass joke.
By the way here's the full joke.
www.irishpost.com/news/game-of-thrones-honeycomb-jackass-joke-167166?#_=_
A missed opportunity for some incredible dialogue. Would have been a great scene!
........and when it was all said and done, billions of lives were lost. The End.
Stellar in every sense of the word- the storylines, the actors, the set pieces; when you take into account just how tight the filming budget actually was- TNG becomes all that more impressive. Television today begs for something of this caliber- yet we seem wholly unwilling or unable to create anything comparable to this show. On another note, I'm still pissed that Enterprise was cancelled right as it was getting it's legs... We were robbed of what no doubt would've become more classic Trek- the whole Andorian arc would've made an amazing 5th season.
Very much agree with all of your comments, especially the lose of probably 3 more seasons of Enterprise. Which as you say was getting better and better, thanks for your input, always welcome.
I'd say that - although the style is very different - The Expanse definitely does provide the same level of depth, quality and thoughtfulness as this on current tv. It's what makes The Expanse so special - there's been nothing like it for so long. While I miss old style Trek immensely, it definitely satisfies my sci-fi itch.
5th season was gonna be the romulan war with a refit NX class that had a secondary hull. Look up a pic, it’s really neat.
Really like this Romulan episode.
Ya well Worf tried to kiss you once til he saw your ear............. you are ROMULAN!!
3:05 Worf: "Disruptors powering down"
Picard: "Thank you. Fire torpedoes Mr Worf!"
* Romulan ship is destroyed *
* Credits theme plays *
As Picard might put it "That would be Dirty Pool". 😁😁😁
That made me lol 😁
"That was too easy!"
That would've been classic, the Romulans would never forgive the Federation for that act.
Shields still up. But it was a good one.
This is my favorite Star Trek moment. Tomalak could have easily destroyed the Enterprise when Picard asked Worf to power down their shields. It seems like he didn't want to be responsible for starting a war with the Federation. I also like this episode because Geordi made friends with that Romulan officer. Something that wasn't possible before.
Tomalak was a good Romulan
Gotta wonder what happened to that centurion. The Romulans are a lot like North Korea. They don’t even trust their own. I suspect that Romulan soldier was probably held responsible for the failure of his mission and either executed or sent to a reeducation camp because he was exposed to alien influence. The Romulans are not known for being gentle with their people.
@@Spanner249 by “good” I hope you mean acting. Lol. This is the Romulan who wanted to display the broken hull of the Enterprise in the Romulan capital city.
Not to mention that Romulas was the legendary founder of Rome. Read the story of Romulas and Remus.
I always found it cute that the Romulan Star Empire has elements of the ancient Roman Empire in it: Centurions, Proconsuls and Praetors.
You forgot the love of Birds of Prey and Eagle imagery.
Space Romans
Not to mention their home world is named Romulus, who was the legendary founder of Rome. In Star Trek: Nemesis the Remans were from the planet Remus, which was the name of Romulus' twin brother.
Well, let's not forget the federation has automatic translators, therefore those can be approximations it chose because the roman empire may be very close to their culture.
If the Roman Empire had survived to the 24th century, maybe we could be like the Romulans (or the Terran Empire)
...I wish we had a real world Picard in our time... we truly need him...
And maybe a Sisko
@@t5hammer871 we do, he is called Putin. Both are war criminals.
He'd make a great president for the States
Oh, we do! We do! They're all 'round us, every day, trying to keep shit settled even while the rest of the world seems bent on creating a dust-up. And many of them are in the news, too -- but almost always because of some (self-inflicted) besmerchment upon their otherwise _heroic_ efforts. We are a scary species.
@@thomasmcginnis3783 amen!
"Lieutenant, lower the shields."
(In an aside to Riker): "All right, Riker, we just unzipped our fly. Now if that bastard so much as twitches, I'm gonna blow him right to Mars."
Has he done any Crazy Ivans?
Change Mars to Romulus.
Something funny is, at the end, instead of escorting them to the neutral zone, they fly in the opposite direction lmao
I just thought both ships need major turning radius to change course...
@@varianschirmer9375 why?
@ludbud57 Because the ships are the size of Manhattan?
Seriously... the Enterprise-D does not appear to maneuver gingerly [outside of Picard Season 3].
It looked absolutely sluggish at turning around in Generations.
The only time it looked really responsive was when Picard piloted it out of an energy-sapped minefield.
So having a significant turn radius wouldn't surprise me.
Not sure if a warbird pivots on a dime either...
@@varianschirmer9375 besides the stupid season 3 borg cube stuff, of course the D isnt super manoeuvrable, but why would it warp in the complete opposite direction rather than simply using RCS in order to stay in close range to the romulan warbird? Obviously its just a silly mistake we’re looking into too much and i dont really care, but fun to think about these things lol
Tomalak was making Picard sweat there.
Wow. Strength, courage and wisdom. A Picard-like man for president.
When you want your president to sniff Earl Grey tea, not children!
*reads this comment*
"Quite right, make it so number one."
Brinkmanship is a dangerous game.
AKA political 'Chicken'.
And Trump, so far, is doing OK.
indeed.
@@nonel4515 uh.... you tune in today?
@Rulerzful nah he's fucked.
Definitely one of my favorite episodes. i always had high hopes that the Romulans would come around one day and at least be at peace with the Federation, but alas a Kelvin Timeline and a Supernova..........................
Bravo to the great Greek..Andrea Katsulas. I miss the 90s so much. Awesome tv.
The 90's and 80's is when TV is great. Now....it is pretty much ALL crap.
@@Digikidthevoiceofreason amen bro
Andreas. Not Andrea. Andreas Katsulas.
“Brinkmanship is a dangerous game”. How well we know that (if we could ask JFK!).
Mind blowing comment.
This was great. A Romulan and Human showing respect for each other, and even saving each other. Precursor to the Dominion War, even though Star Fleet were actually the evil ones as far as getting the Romulans to be allies.
War is sometimes cast as black and white, but there's a whole lot of grey to go around.
The Federation were never truly good guys.
Calling them evil is simplistic. The Romulans were sitting on the sideline and trying to wait this out so they could jump on the winning side at minimal cost to them. Garraks original an at least proposed on paper to use the recording to convince them. Whether he actually believed that has a chance is very questionable but the bomb was an effective backup plan.
@@scribbles1424 Right-wing chode.
@@Ragitsu The Federation aren't good guys. They only give off the impression they're good guys. Their help comes at the cost of your culture, identity and sovereignty. They're the ultimate colonial power.
"we'll escort your ship back to the neutral zone" moments later *romulan ship leaves...alone*. lol
This little man of Gallia (France) convincing the Roman Empire to abstain from Violence through eloquence and a level head. This must truly be the future.
Although I suspect the matched Arsenal probably helped as well.
"put on your best poker face, No #1" ... epic
Love It.
this is Star Trek!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, this is Patrick.
I honestly think that Tomalak was being honest about being misinformed and was fully truthful. I can't think of a time where he was flat out deceptive. Kidnapping of course, and blunt and even arrogant, but never deceptive.
Tomalak participated in the Jarok plot in which one of their own admirals was fed lies in a very malicious and deceptive way to lure the Enterprise into a trap.
@@anon_9221 That was internal to test loyalty, as opposed to deceit in other matters. That was something Jarok should be wary of, and failed.
@@anon_9221 And there is nothing worse to/for a Captain/Commander of a ship than to not look in control or to know everything. And to be challenged like that in front of his men is aweful.
This planet is actually a key point way later in the series, where we learn what was happening here. Tomalak knew, without a doubt, what that was.
Tomalak is clearly being deceptive, not only in this scene, but also throughout the episode (as well as another). He's playing his cards close to his chest, making everything he says vague and sounding legitimate should the evidence (or lack thereof) support his position, but he _is_ hiding important information that would be detrimental to their tentative relationship with the Federation should it be revealed. Given that this is Romulans that we're talking about, I don't doubt for a single second that they have plans against the Federation.
I always wanted this guy to come back in a later movie as a Warbird captain or something.
I think he may have been the Romulan captain son
Geordi's warm fuzzies about Romulans from this would not survive being kidnapped and brainwashed into becoming an assassin.
No but it was probably from Bakra that they learned that the VISOR could be reprogrammed. He probably didn't do it on purpose but his report almost inevitably led to the scheme with Geordi later on
@@hagamapama I never put that together, but it makes total sense!
Patrick Stewart, once again proving why Picard was the best captain.
the chance for laforge to meet this guy in picard s3 and return the favor now that they both have more power is an opportunity that makes me hopeful for the future.
Throughout TNG's series and movie run, seeds of understanding were planted that could bear fruit in future
Teamwork makes the dream work! 😎
What a Picard strategy, he risked his ship and his crew to save one of his crewmen (LaForge). Tomalak could just have fired and scored a first strike. Not noticed by many is when Worf dropped the shields, he put his fingers over on the weapons control. So if the Romulans did strike first, he was ready for the return shot.
Something tells me the romulan was Tomallok's son.
...who doubled as Aaron Conar, leader of the masterpiece society on Moab IV.
The actor also guest-starred in an episode of Babylon 5. That episode was from the mid-first season, entitled: “By Any Means Necessary.” It had a surprise ending. I doubt that Commander Tomalak and Centurian Bakrum were father and son, however.
Omg I was thinking the same thing!
@@brianvincentdoucet4273 If not his son then his protégé considering he seemed very concerned that he had not been harmed and agreed to power down his weapons meaning he valued Bochra more than other members of his crew.
Possible I was thinking about the same thing.if I was tomallok I definitely would sacrifice 1 man to destroy enemy flag ship and kill over 1000 enemies.hard hit for Starfleet and he knew that he had the chance to do it and he didn't.unless as I suspect that was his son🤔🤔🤔🤔 then of course his actions make perfect sense
As much as it pains me to say this, being a fan of TNG and the Star Trek universe, that rescued Romulan more than likely didn't make it back to Romulus due to either some form of accident on the way back or during his after action review.
More drama in this scene than 4 years of Discovery
Huh? I thought DSC had too much drama
2:46 - Isn't it weird how when the camera angle changes toward the viewscreen, the image on the viewscreen's angle also changes, like it's a 3D hologram and not a flat screen?
according to the technical manuals the main viewscreen is indeed 3d :)
If only leaders like Picard existed in the real world. He's a strong leader.
Too bad Patrick Stewart sold out his legacy for a quick paycheck and took a giant sh*t on this character.
Amen to that
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Picard in TNG is one of the most refined products of a mature and enlightened civilization. I think we as a people still have a way to go before a man like him will truly have the opportunity to lead.
Last line reminds me of Captain Mancuso in Hunt For Red October. "The thing about playing chicken is knowing when to flinch."
After what happened in recent days with Iran, this episode has become very relevant.
Very
Eh... more similar to the Cuban Missile Crisis than the tensions between the US and Iran. Iran doesn’t have the capability to destroy the US. The Soviet Union did.
Star Trek will always be relevant. Timeless masterpiece.
Iran could do a lot of damage if it wanted to. But no, I don't think they can touch us in the mainland US
Picard: I’m about to take a huge gamble that will either save a few people or result in the deaths of a thousand people including children
Safe a few people and prevent a possible war.
Was it a gamble? Yes. But the other option would have to provoke a fight, which might resulted in the destruction of one of both ships and a war, which would have cost far more lives.
And if the Romulans wanted to start a fight, they most likely would have done so allready. So the risk of said gamble was calculated.
Would have liked to se more of Tomalok. Katsulas is of course already well known from Babylon 5 and he did excellent work on that show. But him and Patrick Stewart together would have been magic. Two shakespearian actors going head to head on a Star Trek show. Awesome.
OK, I was LITERALLY just thinking of this episode. I scrolled down...and it was in my feed😳😳😳 Kinda scary 😳😳😳
watching some of these old clips is so cool.
Glad your enjoying them Komrad.
I'd have at least disabled them when their shields were dropped. No prisoners. No starfleet technology. One dirty officer.
He could have had it all. Disect the Enterprise for every bit of technical information and leave it's broken hull on his new front lawn. Imprison the Starfleet personnel and assimilate the families into Romulan culture as a PR stunt. That's not just a promotion, that's a Senator's seat. I'd have voted for him. Long live The Empire.
Such an act would have started another war with the Federation. An unprovoked attack against a Federation vessel - the Enterprise, no less - in Federation space. A war that the Romulans would have lost, given the Klingons were allies of the Federation at this time, and they were always eager for a scrap with the Romulans.
The Romulans were such a good enemy for the Federation. I would love to see someone competent doing the old Federation/ Klingon war and Federation/Romulan first few encounters in a Star Trek series.
I always thought Star Trek should make an anthology series telling stories from different points in the Federation history. One of them could tell the Romulan/Earth war
I find the Romulans to be so fascinating. They’re often viewed as dishonorable, conniving, and warmongering, and perhaps some of them are. But some of them also have their own sense of honor.
And then there’s the episodes with Spock, when we learn that not all Romulans have the same views when it comes to other species.
In this episode, you can see that Tamalok was concerned about the well being of one of his soldiers. And then there’s my favorite interaction, when the Federation, Klingons, Cardassians, and Romulans were investigating a mysterious genetic sequence that revealed that they are all actually descendants of a long extinct progenitor species. It was the Romulan captain that was willing to accept the concept of a sort of distant kinship with Humanity, and that perhaps, one day there may be peace between both species.
I love that the writers gave each species layers, and didn’t just make each one good or bad.
Tomalak may have been concerned about his officer but his arrogance was still staggering and a true portrayal of a typical Romulan.
I like to think Tomalak lived just long enough to see Picard rescue millions of Romulans before the supernova.
I just realized that he could have separated the ship, keep the saucer between the romulans and the stardrive, and then the stardrive could drop it's shields to beam Laforge up.
Love how worf stayed on the Romulan the whole time he wanted him to try something lol
Cool excerpt dude! Keep up the good work!
Geordie once you finish escorting the Romulan to the transporter room, I need you in engineering right away!
Such an amazing series
Man that was awesome!
Captain Picard: Commander, I shall return your officer, & ESCORT your ship to The Neutral Zone.
Then ships leave from orbit in opposite directions. 😂
I just figured neither ship pivots like a lazy susan.
This might be the last appearance of the Type I Phaser!
+TALCOLMINTHEMIDDLE I think its last appearance was the 5th-Season-Episode "The Game". Wesley used one to autofire at a forcefield.
Schwatvogel good call
Clearly they were being... phased out.
Last use of the type 1 phaser was by Chakotay in Voyager's "In the Flesh." But good catch noticing Worf's choice. Usually he pulls a type 2 out of nowhere behind his console!
When I was younger our CRT TV wasn't the best, so I could never make out the Type 1. It just looked like they were pretending to hold something. It made a lot of scenes... Less tense than they should have been
Not sure why but this is my favourite scene ever
This episode was good I remmeber it back in the day but now the funny part of it was that the Enterprise was supposed to escort them out of the netrual zone an both went the opposite way lol
I'm sure the Enterprise was just turning around. ;-) But for budgetary reasons they reused a shot from an earlier episode, when they found the home world of the Iconians.
@@danieldickson8591 right 👍 on
Geordi and Bakra were both honest men.
"We will escort you to the neutral zone"
"That is acceptable"
*Warbird shoots off alone at the end*
3:06 Disruptors powering down. Anyone know how the disruptors compare to the phasers on Enterprise? Do the Romulans have physical weapons similar to the photon torpedoes?
in the original series, the Romulans in The Balance Of Terror also used disruptors. Even back then, they were powerful enough to tear through shields and was quoted as having penetrated through an entire mile of solid iron to reach and destroy an outpost beneath the surface of an asteroid. It can be assumed they only got stronger since Kirk's time, and far superior to phasers.
Why don't they write Star Trek like this anymore?
Because that would stimulate intellectual development in the audience.
Bet the conversation Picard and Tomalak would have had following the Dominion war and the events of Nemesis would have been interesting as hell
I came here to remind myself of how awesome of a villain the Romulans could be...and how sad it is what Jar Jar Abrams and the rest of the writers of the Trek series have done to this once classic villain...and to Jean-Luc Picard...
That Romulan (John Snyder) Geordi was surviving alongside was also...
E. Honda in Street Fighter IV and Pericolo in Jojo.
Is the guy that played Tomalak the same guy who played the One Armed Man in Harrison Ford's Fugitive??
100% yes! I also once asked his question. His name is Andreas Katsulas.
Orin Zento has fallen on hard times😂
One of the best
They knew on old trek that you always talked peace most effectively whilst carrying a big stick.
I think Flea from the Red Hot Chili Peppers could probably pull off a young Tomalak if they ever decide to do so.
Romulans....the passion of Humans.....the cunning of Ferengi.....and at times.....the honor of Klingons......
Missed the “escort our guest” moment.
Subtle, but that phrase meant a lot.
It always seems that Picard and the crew of the enterprise are always getting the Romulans out of jams
The way Picard pronunciate disruptORs 😊
Lol he called it brinkmanship.
The only one in the entire federation who says that lol 😂
Crusher asks Worf to watch the Romulan die because Worf does not want to give the Romulan his the life saving blood. Then she conveniently walks out the room while the Romulan is about to die. Oh, how I hate her...
Tomaluk: You doubt my good faith?
Picard: Let's just say my "faith" would be strengthened by a gesture from YOU... such as powering down your disruptors.
Tomulak gestures to his tactical officer.
I really enjoy this show even today. Excited for the new Picard series
"You must think me a fool to make your lies so transparent!"
@@jimtaylor294 man this comment didnt age well did it
@@beyerdr Unfortunately so. I certainly hoped at the time that ST:P would turn out to be good.
3:46 welcome to politics Picard
Thing is with TNG... The only actor that really understood his character in the first episode was John DeLancey as "Q".All the others had to grow into their character roles. But DeLancey just had to play a Cosmic Trickster God... And he nailed it.
This video features three grown men in cosplay standing in a cupboard waiting for the scene to end
Yes brinksmanship is a dangerous game
This episode is easier to watch than "The Defector." It wasn't about banishment like that one.
God, i miss Star Trek when it was good. I go back and rewatch my dvds when i can. Especially Season 4 of Enterprise. They cancel it and what do they give us? Trash.
People hated Enterprise too though
i wonder if geordi and bakra stayed in touch over the years.
Data: "Might I suggest an insulin shot to go with your deserts?"
Ahhh... the Romulans... there's always sooo MANY simple misunderstanding.
This episode depended on Geordi being stupid enough to let the Romulan hold onto his disruptor after the falling rocks gave him a window.
Inconsistency in technology. They can't use the transporters when the shields are up, but they can do two way voice communications. It's also an electromagnetic medium, it would be garbled by the shields.
The comms technology of star trek utilises subspace, whereas the transporters are a matter/energy converter that breaks down matter in one place into an energy stream, and reconstitutes it in another place. Which needs the shields to be down or the energy stream can't get to it's destination and is scattered and lost.
Think of it as... warp phones. Just like the ship can enter warp with the shields up, so can their communications.
"Never knew he passed away.......Sad.......😞!"
"So, which one of us has the bigger balls?
Rhetorical question. The answer is me. Suck it."
-Google translated from Picard to English
Pimpin‘ ship is a dangerous game
2:26 cuz that's what we do