Perhaps he was naturally braking early because subconsciously he knew he would feel more safe cruising into the corner rather than decelerating into it. Judgement of speed into a bend is more challenging the harder you brake.
I really enjoyed this video even though I don't ride these types of bikes because well....... I am a coward. It was interesting and made a lot of sense. Good job guys!!!!
good job guy's but also do a in depth vedio on braking and handling on superbike bcz many switch from smaller displacement bike to super sport so it gonna help them a lot including me ......
Can any bike brake while decelerating into a corner? I have a CBR600RR and have been told that I need to trail break rather than break hard early and then drive through the corner. But I get a very uncomfortable feeling that My bike will lose control if I brake and lean into a corner...
actually there is a very good video on this ruclips.net/video/5JMm5EVifIM/видео.html And you do not lean while braking I'm afriad, you accelerate as you lean into the corner to keep the bike stable and moving forward without turning ur handle, just lean
Lol as a rider on a 155 cc I feel like this helped,okay not the handful of braking part but the braking a bit later,I have a tendency of going a bit to slow on a bend
He shoild have learned all this shit already. How much does it take to learn the proper braking? A few mph makes all the difference. And you ever check to see if the bike has linked brakes?
To be honest this video is kind of useless 'accelerate and just grab a handful of brakes'. Being able to brake well means being able to brake well without technology. What happens if ABS fails during a race? He will fall flat on his face.
Yeah. I hear ppl talking about hating abs, because it's too invasive, but really, if you have good braking technique you wouldn't feel the abs kicking in like ever. Unless it's a hard emergence brake, and that's what the abs is for.
Not true, even on the road. If you're riding hard on a bumpy road (particularly if you use plenty of back brake), the less sophisticated systems simply can't cope. We shouldn't really be racing this Suzuki, it wasn't designed for this kind of abuse, but it copes well otherwise. We've taken the ABS fuse out in the past, but as well as giving us our brakes back, it screws up a lot of the other electronics.We're waiting for a black box from the non-ABS version in the hope that will sort the issue. For most road riders, the major advantage is not losing the front under heavy braking, or normal braking in tricky conditions. As one old-timer said to me recently, the only difference these days is that an ABS rider will still be on the bike when he hits whatever it was he was trying to miss. The non-ABS rider will still hit the obstacle, but he'll already have fallen off. You could, if you chose to, use ABS in world championship racing, but nobody does - the feel of a good rider is still way more nuanced than the best systems in the world.
What is not true, even on the road? Are you referring to what happens when ABS fails during a race? I have had a mate of a friend of mine that got his driving license on an ABS bike and rode an ABS bike for two years before he wanted to try my friends bike. It did not have ABS and guess what happens? He went down instantly. He never even learned how to brake properly, just squeeze the lever and stop. This can also happen when the ABS system fails... Dont get me wrong, technology is great and ABS on a road bike is good to have (I mean I am an electrical engineer so I would be one of the last people opposed to this) but to know how to brake well without ABS is crucial to being a good rider. And, just as cueball mentioned, almost every new rider that learned and rides an ABS bike does not know how to brake without ABS, for them it is just grab a fist full of brakes and trust the electronics...
I can tell you first hand MOST (not all ABS systems) are crap on the track. Far too intrusive and dangerous. My HP4 even on the lowest ABS setting would fight my lever input causing me to run wide. ABS is good for the street, crap for the track. With slicks and the amount of heat/grip you keep in a tire during a track day, you should never need ABS unless you don't have good feel.
You're right chaps, unfortunately the bike Harry's racing has ABS so the feature was just intended to show him he can safely brake much later. We've tried disabling the ABS on this Suzuki, but whatever we do ends up unintentionally screwing up some other electronic system. Hopefully we'll have a fix by the next round. At Harry's pace ABS isn't a problem, but for the rest of us it is - dangerous at times because it will chime in at the least expected moment, and can easily fire you into a corner with way too much speed. And of course using the back brake is a complete no-no 'cos that ties the whole system in knots. But half the 'fun' of our feature is to encourage more average riders and keen track-day riders to join this endurance championship, hence we're riding an 'unsuitable' bike just for giggles.
Excellent way to teach track braking. Great vid.
Thanks for this excellent video !!!
What a great series, can't wait for the next one.
Good stuff! keep them coming please
Great bike, picking up my gsxs 1000f next month. Comfort and speed.
Perhaps he was naturally braking early because subconsciously he knew he would feel more safe cruising into the corner rather than decelerating into it. Judgement of speed into a bend is more challenging the harder you brake.
I really enjoyed this video even though I don't ride these types of bikes because well....... I am a coward. It was interesting and made a lot of sense. Good job guys!!!!
The Brake Show 😎
That was great - thanks guys
He is crossed going into the turn. Needs to angle shoulders toward inside of turn, and bend upper body more forward and in.
what kind of bike is the black Suzuki?
So what was the lap time after all that?!
nice interesting video.
good job guy's but also do a in depth vedio on braking and handling on superbike bcz many switch from smaller displacement bike to super sport so it gonna help them a lot including me ......
Can any bike brake while decelerating into a corner? I have a CBR600RR and have been told that I need to trail break rather than break hard early and then drive through the corner. But I get a very uncomfortable feeling that My bike will lose control if I brake and lean into a corner...
actually there is a very good video on this ruclips.net/video/5JMm5EVifIM/видео.html
And you do not lean while braking I'm afriad, you accelerate as you lean into the corner to keep the bike stable and moving forward without turning ur handle, just lean
Back brake
What?
In all my years racing on road & track I've never used the rear brake.
Lol as a rider on a 155 cc I feel like this helped,okay not the handful of braking part but the braking a bit later,I have a tendency of going a bit to slow on a bend
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Loved the video. The only thing that would have made it better is if you timed him again and showed us the result. :)
Awesome rider tips. Though I don't think this should be applied to Street riding! Would be way too dangerous.
He shoild have learned all this shit already. How much does it take to learn the proper braking? A few mph makes all the difference. And you ever check to see if the bike has linked brakes?
these are come chill people :)
Got to have balls to break later/harder.
He is leaning like a grandma in the curves.
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going to a higher CC doesn't necessarily mean you'll be faster.. ~_~
KimmyR3 A 50% power increase should make you faster unless it's 200 kilos more etc.
on a straight, yes. but overall time on a track? not always.
To be honest this video is kind of useless 'accelerate and just grab a handful of brakes'. Being able to brake well means being able to brake well without technology. What happens if ABS fails during a race? He will fall flat on his face.
Yeah. I hear ppl talking about hating abs, because it's too invasive, but really, if you have good braking technique you wouldn't feel the abs kicking in like ever. Unless it's a hard emergence brake, and that's what the abs is for.
Not true, even on the road. If you're riding hard on a bumpy road (particularly if you use plenty of back brake), the less sophisticated systems simply can't cope. We shouldn't really be racing this Suzuki, it wasn't designed for this kind of abuse, but it copes well otherwise. We've taken the ABS fuse out in the past, but as well as giving us our brakes back, it screws up a lot of the other electronics.We're waiting for a black box from the non-ABS version in the hope that will sort the issue.
For most road riders, the major advantage is not losing the front under heavy braking, or normal braking in tricky conditions. As one old-timer said to me recently, the only difference these days is that an ABS rider will still be on the bike when he hits whatever it was he was trying to miss. The non-ABS rider will still hit the obstacle, but he'll already have fallen off.
You could, if you chose to, use ABS in world championship racing, but nobody does - the feel of a good rider is still way more nuanced than the best systems in the world.
What is not true, even on the road? Are you referring to what happens when ABS fails during a race?
I have had a mate of a friend of mine that got his driving license on an ABS bike and rode an ABS bike for two years before he wanted to try my friends bike. It did not have ABS and guess what happens? He went down instantly. He never even learned how to brake properly, just squeeze the lever and stop. This can also happen when the ABS system fails...
Dont get me wrong, technology is great and ABS on a road bike is good to have (I mean I am an electrical engineer so I would be one of the last people opposed to this) but to know how to brake well without ABS is crucial to being a good rider. And, just as cueball mentioned, almost every new rider that learned and rides an ABS bike does not know how to brake without ABS, for them it is just grab a fist full of brakes and trust the electronics...
I can tell you first hand MOST (not all ABS systems) are crap on the track. Far too intrusive and dangerous. My HP4 even on the lowest ABS setting would fight my lever input causing me to run wide. ABS is good for the street, crap for the track. With slicks and the amount of heat/grip you keep in a tire during a track day, you should never need ABS unless you don't have good feel.
You're right chaps, unfortunately the bike Harry's racing has ABS so the feature was just intended to show him he can safely brake much later.
We've tried disabling the ABS on this Suzuki, but whatever we do ends up unintentionally screwing up some other electronic system. Hopefully we'll have a fix by the next round.
At Harry's pace ABS isn't a problem, but for the rest of us it is - dangerous at times because it will chime in at the least expected moment, and can easily fire you into a corner with way too much speed. And of course using the back brake is a complete no-no 'cos that ties the whole system in knots.
But half the 'fun' of our feature is to encourage more average riders and keen track-day riders to join this endurance championship, hence we're riding an 'unsuitable' bike just for giggles.
zero technique explained....