New Surly Grappler! How does it compare to Karate Monkey and Krampus?
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2025
- In this video, we dive into the brand NEW Surly Grappler! The Grappler is Surly’s drop-bar mountain bike, designed to excel at bikepacking and all-terrain touring. We’ll break down what’s new with this model and provide a detailed overview of its specifications. Plus, we’ll explore customization options to help you make it your own. We’ll also compare the Grappler to the Karate Monkey and Krampus, so you can decide which Surly bike best fits your riding style. This video also features a bike theft, but stay until the end to find out how it turns out.
Ottawa Bike and Trail is an independent bike shop at the intersection of the Flint Hills Trail and Prairie Spirit Trail State Parks in Kansas. We are also a a Surly Intergalactic Destination Dealer.
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The Grinch that stole the Grappler! A new classic. Thanks for the clear breakdown of differences between the 3 Surly bikes, I found it very helpful. Thanks!
I'm glad you liked it! Thanks for watching.
I’m a MicroSHIFT fan. Their stuff works well and is easy to set up - a big plus for those like me who are not especially mechanically inclined. But the Sword shifters are so much nicer than the Advent shifters. They feel better in the hand and routing the shifter cable under the tape looks so much nicer. They are, of course, cross-compatible.
Yeah. I’m picky. But…
Agree 100 percent! I’d like to see redesigned Advent shifters.
One thing I would mention is that the rear dropouts are 12mm thru axle. So you actually get a slotted dropout with a thru axle, which is how my Lowside is also. It's pretty slick how it's set up.
And yes, I did notice the Swampmaster in the background ...🙂
Ottawa KANSAS...Not Canada. Got you. I know I made that mistake awhile back. great video, great bikes. Love my Surly.
I've had my (not ghost) grappler for a couple of years now and I never cut the stem! Tower of Power aka "The Stack Monster." It makes single track, commuting and bikepacking much more comfortable :) recommend to any other Grappler owners/future owners.
i don't care what anyone says. Surly makes some cool bikes. My first Surly will definitely be a new Moonlander. I'd also like a Krampus in the quiver. Thanks for the video!
I agree. Love to get my hands on a Moonlander. But, theres not much fat tire riding in our area.
I do like that Ghost Grappler... I've been wondering if a Surly is in my future.. Thanks for making it a bit more difficult to decide. I like the Big Dummy... That Grappler looks indestructible.
It is indestructible. Big Dummy is also cool.
@@ottawabikeandtrail My next ride is gonna be a cargo bike. I can definitely see myself on the electric Big Dummy... Have you done a video on that? Thanks.
That looks stunning!
Love mine with flat bars!
“Intergalactic” He says! 🙏🏻
As a Ghost Grappler owner thinking of getting a Krampus (and building it up myself as well) I would love to have some feedback about the difference in riding/sitting position between both. Especially if you would put the same wheels on both. Seems like the frame geometry is very similar. Quite long toptube and outstretched position...
Adore that new color but I really don't understand the choice to go with Advent X in the drops. Especially for a touring-style bike where many folks will want to have a large bag between the hoods.
I'll add that I went with microSHIFT Sword components for my dropbar Salsa Fargo and it's lovely. This is not a critique of microSHIFT in general, just the Advent X drop shifters for this use case.
Just to get an idea of sizing, may I ask how tall you are? I’m 5’8 and seem to fit between small and medium, and just not sure what size to go for.
Best way to figure out what bike to get is to ride. Figure out the kind of places you like to ride around ,what kind of surfaces you like and don’t like, the speed that you like to ride, and how much time you like to ride. That’s what helped me sort out my two favorite bikes.
I’d like to see you do this same Grappler comparison with the Bridge Club and Ogre.
Great idea. I’ll try to do that.
i have krampus 2022 and the bolts on the fork are arranged differently..just one on the side, three in the inner part toward the frame..in this case when you mount a drybag and turn ,the bag touch the frame , no confy steering... the forks i saw in this video shows different bolt arrangement
Yes, they changed the fork design in the newer models.
What's the weight difference?
Is there a belt driven with pinion gearbox surly? ❤
Not that I am aware of.
What is the max chainring size 1x for this bike
They might make dish chain rings like Sram, they have flat, three and seven degrees. But figuring out the chain line is a key
Good question. Non-boost rear hub is 36 tooth. Boost rear hub would be 38 tooth. The bike comes stock with a boost rear hub.
@@ottawabikeandtrail what about 2 x configuration.? 38 tooth paired with a 11 x36 cassette would be a good combo I think 🤔.
@@sadiejones7991 what do you mean dish chain rings
@tmayberry7559 dang man I didn't check my notifications, I sorry, I put a spacer on my Sram so a 34 tooth ring would fit on a bike that came with a 32. The 34 was to close to my chain stay. I had to use lock tight to set the bolt in place instead of torqueing down like I needed to and after all that a man told me they sell dish degrees chain rings. Picture your flat ring shaped like a dinner plate with the edge lipped up three degrees or a dinner plate on the table with the edge curved up seven degrees. The ring on the bike would flare out three degrees so it would miss the chain stay.
I'd like to try a Grappler or Krampus with 2x drive...mountain bikes are brutally slow for me otherwise...
Only Surly will ever do these types of bikes. This is something you would have if you are undecided on which bike you'd get.
That stem is crazy high
To ride in the drops
He explained the reasoning. Did you even watch the video, or just have to throw out a critical comment?
@@johndunbar2393 I did hear his comment, yes, but with a bike like that and the flared bars, ideally you'd want your hands to be comfortable riding in the drops, especially in bumpy, technical terrain with a bit of a more upright riding style. So really very little steerer tube cutting seems necessary for the store owner who I know fits well on size Medium Surly bikes. Merry Christmas to you.
@@MMcG25 I was asking the OP, my friend, not you. Sorry for the confusion! I just now realized it didn't put the OP's username before my reply.
Your explanation makes perfect sense, and I do see a lot of folks run taller steer tubes. I'm in western Kansas and predominantly ride gravel roads, and I'm always realizing how much of an anomaly my riding style is, because I'm only in the drops, to get aero, going into headwinds. But, the vast majority of folks I see, or talk to, say they're in their drops in the situations like you mentioned. I'm not comfortable in the drops, honestly.
Merry Christmas to you too, my friend!
@@johndunbar2393 No worries. I'm dying to try one of these with a short stem and wide dirt drop bars. I used to have a Singular Gryphon (similar idea) and it rode so nicely (but that could have been in part due to the tubing choices Sam Alison made for the frame and fork on that bike).
That bike looks goofy as hell