HOTTEST Analogue news! The Return of an Icon: The New Revox B77 mk III Reel to Reel Tape Recorder

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  • Опубликовано: 30 янв 2025

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  • @janath9118
    @janath9118 2 месяца назад +4

    Revox B 77 Mk III Open Reel Tape Deck. This is great news about this machine!
    I am happy to hear about it as i am a fan since a long time. 😊 I wish i can have it, but the sad thing is that it is quite out of my budget of affordability. But for those who can afford it, this is some happy news! So go for it!
    Thank you for the video!

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  2 месяца назад +1

      Thanks for your comments, I agree!

    • @janath9118
      @janath9118 2 месяца назад +1

      @DaveDenyer I appreciate your reply!

    • @annebokma4637
      @annebokma4637 2 месяца назад +1

      You still have two kidneys? 😈

  • @annebokma4637
    @annebokma4637 2 месяца назад +3

    I own a B77 II, hardly use it, but it does have a prominent place and gets regular maintenance. My dad bought it and used it a lot. So it will never leave my listening room, even listening to other sources, my dad is there with me.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  2 месяца назад +1

      Nice! Thanks for sharing your story! 🙏

    • @annebokma4637
      @annebokma4637 2 месяца назад

      @DaveDenyer thnx for the review, I do like the black version, maybe give my 3 y.o. a sharpie 😇

  • @newtronix
    @newtronix 2 месяца назад +7

    I've got a Mark 1 high speed 2 track which I recapped new bearings etc. Cost £600. One can buy new boards from boutique companies for upgrading the cards. There's a guy in the Netherlands that does top notch boards that have all the Eq's for a lot less than the price of a Mark3!

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  2 месяца назад +1

      Absolutely, buying an old unit and restoring it is a great idea, and until recently was pretty much the only option as there were no newly manufactured machines. Of course a brand new machine will cost far more than a 40 + year old one....

  • @markusklein6309
    @markusklein6309 3 месяца назад +8

    This is fantastic news!

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад

      Absolutely!

    • @stingray7275
      @stingray7275 2 месяца назад

      @@DaveDenyer No 16.000€uro this is absolutely not fantastic.

  • @jabensergei
    @jabensergei 3 месяца назад +3

    The scintillate excitement is all over the place Dave! Really love your passion and now a good reason to buy a New Year lottery🙂 As always, great fun, THX!

  • @Nick-dh4gm
    @Nick-dh4gm Месяц назад +1

    Great Revox and open reel info. I have followed your postings for some time and many vinyl reviews. However, your knowledge and use of open reel machines intrigued me. The Revox Mk III is certainly welcome- but where do I get service on my huge “ studio in a box “ Akai 400d-SS? Why do I care? Because it offers reverse play, studio speed to 15 ips, and plays 7 inch reels. The Revox does not- but I concede, it is a purist and long lasting brand. I am in the US, so it is a frustrating aspect of this type playback equipmt. Congrats on your access and knowledge, but I suffer in silence with my open reel collection and little trust in repair shops. Look forward to your videos.😊

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  Месяц назад +1

      Hi Nick, to be honest i’d not heard of the Akai 400D-SS. It looks like a very cool machine.
      Being UK based I’ve no first hand experience if US tape technicians but get the impression there are many more over there than there are here in the UK.
      I hope you can find a good tech and get your machine sorted.

    • @Nick-dh4gm
      @Nick-dh4gm Месяц назад +1

      @@DaveDenyer Thanks. Appreciate your comments. I must say that the 4 track machine blue Vu meters and the colored electric solenoid switches, looked great at night. Your stuff is certainly Pro.👍

  • @Theoobovril
    @Theoobovril Месяц назад +1

    Good news regarding Revox and the new B77 machine.

  • @johngriffin5142
    @johngriffin5142 3 месяца назад +3

    This is great news. It's nice to see the inclusion of XLR connectors and a +4dbu operating level for more professional applications. I would consider this deck "semi pro" however. That doesn't mean it doesn't sound great, just that 1/2 inch tape and being capable of 30ips is more the pro standard for a mixdown deck. That being said, this is a very welcome new addition and hopefully it will spur interest from other manufactures to produce machines. The more options, the merrier.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад

      Hi John, Thanks for your feedback. I couldn't agree more.

    • @artysanmobile
      @artysanmobile 2 месяца назад

      At that price, it is a vanity purchase. The price tag should be left dangling from it forever.

  • @BenPrevo
    @BenPrevo 2 месяца назад +4

    Germany had tape and wire pre 40's - electronic to disc came in the 20's - not shouting down the trumpet.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  2 месяца назад +1

      Thanks for this information Ben.

    • @BobRoger-i8z
      @BobRoger-i8z 2 месяца назад

      @@BenPrevo Germany was in the lead at that time, in the main due to the addition on Bias to the signal.

  • @RealWorldNLPAndHuna
    @RealWorldNLPAndHuna Месяц назад +1

    Thank you! A fantastic and very informative video. I was introduced to reel to reel by my Dad who had a 1960s Truvox. He always wanted a Revox. I have a Teac X'1000M which I had totally rebuilt. One thing you didn't;t mention about the new Revos B77 MkIII. Price?

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  Месяц назад

      Glad you found the video interesting.
      I think the prices are:
      EU: €13.403,36 plus sales tax
      USA: $15.950 plus sales tax

  • @ivanigorpollick6690
    @ivanigorpollick6690 22 дня назад

    I owned revox a 77
    And the avdio was incredible.Japanese could not compete

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  22 дня назад

      The A77 is a beautiful machine.

  • @ianmelville452
    @ianmelville452 3 месяца назад +2

    Excellent news. I think if you have the capacity and funding it is wonderful. I envy them deeply and profoundly.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад +2

      Many people think spending £150 - £200 on a MOFI or UHQR (not to mention an ERC) is completely mad. In comparison, for what you get, physically and sonically, these Copy Master Tapes are actually quite cheap.

    • @ianmelville452
      @ianmelville452 3 месяца назад +2

      ​@@DaveDenyer I get what you are saying completely. I admire the UHQR and One Steps from afar but I have a self imposed ceiling when it comes to LP pricing and those products are above that line. If you do have the finances then you are most welcome to collect these pinnacles of the vinyl art. I am sure you are correct that a good 1:1 tape master is an even better investment from an SQ perspective and in comparison to these UHQRs & etc. I would love to have a new Revox B77 mk3 and a few dozen ultra quality tapes but it would be a dream only. The other thing is I am not seeing many of these new ultra tapes in the Soul music genre.

    • @ianmelville452
      @ianmelville452 3 месяца назад +2

      Actually this prompted me to do a quick Discogs search for Soul music on tape. Sadly all I could find were tapes at 3.75 ips on 4 track, which were from back in the day and most probably not from the master tape. How would such a tape rank vs a 15 ips 1:1 master copy or even an ultra quality LP? I'm not being rude or controversial I am asking because I don't have the experience of this to answer.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад +1

      @@ianmelville452the 3.75ips 4-tracks are good: different to LP & CD notably better than cassette. However I’d say not superior. 7.5ips is where tape really starts to leave vinyl in the shade.

    • @ianmelville452
      @ianmelville452 3 месяца назад +1

      @@DaveDenyer Thanks Dave. Just need to have another look at Discogs and see if any 7.5ips tapes for soul exist!!!

  • @cathrynm
    @cathrynm 2 месяца назад +1

    That's pretty cool, the tape player and the music.I appreciate what they're doing here. My father had reel to reel at one time, though none of his tapes seem to have survived. I think I'll stick to vinyl records (which we have quite a few of in the family), and cheaper transistor amps and turntables for my analog music needs -- maybe I'll upgrade speakers some point. What I remember from old days, that this was the thing that mattered most.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  2 месяца назад +1

      Thanks for the feedback Cathryn!

    • @stevenherkomer
      @stevenherkomer 2 месяца назад

      I have am old reel to reel

  • @artysanmobile
    @artysanmobile 2 месяца назад +3

    My 24 tracks were each only twice that number in 1977. This is a vanity product as pros already have much more practical mix recorders. Nobody mixes to 1/4” tape. Revox put a number on the total project cost and divided by anticipated sales to moneyed audiophiles. What a world…

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  2 месяца назад

      Check out how many £10k+ and even £100k+ turntables there are on the market... There is a small but significant market for extreme high end audio. Myself I purchased a couple of old studio recorders and had them restored. Whilst this was quite costly, the ultimate cost of one of these was around the price of a high end tonearm or cartridge (not far from the price of this new Revox). So, for those that do care about, and enjoy phenomenal sound, adding tape to the system is not that expensive...
      Just consider how much a new Ferrari costs (well over £100k), yet you can buy a new car from around £10k...

    • @artysanmobile
      @artysanmobile 2 месяца назад

      @ Some strange values you propose here. Going backwards, the most common street Ferrari ranges from $240k for ‘comfort’ models to $400k for sports models. Brand new special editions are $1m to $3m. Compare this often appreciating asset that will get you around for decades to a ‘high end’ turntable designed solely to announce the thickness of the owner’s wallet, and sounds worse than a Nakamichi cassette recorder. That harsh judgement is simple fact, not my opinion. Vinyl has been a bad joke of the audio quality crowd for a half century. Kind of a silly place to spend your money.
      Analog tape can sound truly excellent and sound that way every time you play it. It doesn’t develop dropouts, skips, loud pops, ticks or other stone-age anomalies common to vinyl. There is a wealth of analog tape recorders available on the used and refurbished market since almost no one makes them anymore. As many were for professional use, they are super easy to repair and maintain. If that’s your thing, by all means go for it. I am intimately familiar with all the pro recorders and can recommend ones at every cost. There is also a healthy supply of semipro recorders, many of which have equal sound quality but differ in reel size capability and input/output connectors. Harder to repair, they need very little maintenance to sound absolutely glorious.
      Other than my mini-rant here, I don’t even talk about ‘high end’ or audiophile, neither of which deserve my time and breath. That you think a Ferrari costs £100k and you mention turntables of the same cost with no irony at all is telling. Even if the numbers were correct, I’d prefer spending that amount of money on a car to take me wherever I go than on a brick sitting on my shelf that no one actually wants to hear working.

  • @Orchestra101
    @Orchestra101 3 месяца назад +4

    This is a fantastic news! Thank you for sharing your knowledge and other information on this Reel. Would love to see you review the New B77. I hope they send you one. I am definitely interested and perhaps they will be in Axpona 2025?

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад +1

      Glad to be of help. Watch this space…

  • @RixVSpinner62
    @RixVSpinner62 Месяц назад +1

    Let me guess, the new B77 MKII will cost over $10K at least. I don't know of any wealthy people that will buy it. Studios have been digital since the early 1980's and more heavily by the late 1980's. So how is this hot news? Will they be made JIT for each order?

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  Месяц назад

      The initial sales have been impressive. I'm not sure of how things are now, but the first two months' production certainly sold in a matter of days...
      Gotta say, I don't personally know any wealthy people who will buy it either, but that doesn't mean it isn't selling.
      Incidentally, I do know quite a few musicians / producers who used tape professionally back in the day, and they are all highly intrigued (and tempted) by the admittedly very niche tape resurgence, much more so than vinyl, for example. Whilst many might say "I can't be bothered with vinyl" there is simply no disputing the quality of tape...

  • @inforobob
    @inforobob Месяц назад

    @DaveDenyer, I have one on order here in the US. Any idea when you might be able to get your hands one for a review? Maybe grab the one Kessler's gonna reveiew?

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  Месяц назад

      Great to hear you've got one on order. I am waiting to hear from Volker about the review sample, but before then I am expecting to be visiting the factory to see production.

    • @inforobob
      @inforobob Месяц назад +1

      @@DaveDenyer Nice, looking forward to that. I emailed HiFi News about when and where re Kessler's review, but have not heard back. Thanks for taking the time to reply. Really enjoy your vids!

  • @bob-s-bit-s
    @bob-s-bit-s 22 дня назад

    hi have some studio used decks you are very right they sound ace i don't use them to play pre recorded tapes
    i love the sound that old deck push out if i can fix them
    the thing spending alot of money on new pre recorded is very silly i got hold of a studio decks when alot were getting rid of them
    like the betacam sp A500P decks how i spy the price's are going up i did buy 2 eu pallets of betacam decks to play with to see how they work
    sorry they sound better than reel to reel decks as the tape runs faster past the audio heads on the decks and there's alot of newb sealed betacam tapes around still
    i love to try all the formats

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  22 дня назад

      Hi, thanks for the feedback. I've not heard any old Betacam audio decks. It would be very interesting to do so.

  • @JeffersonDD
    @JeffersonDD 3 месяца назад +1

    Thanks for the breakdown Dave! Looking forward to the review when you get around to it. FWIW; there are a lot of ATRs out there in studios as well, most specifically Chris Bellman at Sterling, and of course all of the tape project titles are done on ATRs as well as Woodside Studios.
    Overall the machine looks super promising. Switchable EQ is VERY desirable of course. The +250 / +512 seems a little gimicky, simply because it’s simple enough to change repro levels manually without realigning the machine. Still convenient AF. I just got a Studer A810 with the switchable output levels, so I may sing a different tune after using it a while.
    Thanks!

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад +1

      @@JeffersonDD I’m looking forward to trying it too. If I was starting all over again would I have bought this machine? Maybe. Ok it costs more than any of the four R2Rs I have owned, but add in the restoration and servicing costs, that’s another story.
      Oh, and having an A812 and an A80 in my (can’t really call it a living room anymore), well, well, this thing is smaller and neater than my Technics (which sits there looking pretty but is hardly ever used anymore).

    • @JeffersonDD
      @JeffersonDD 3 месяца назад +1

      @@DaveDenyerI suspect that the new Revox won’t get close to either the A812 or the A80 in terms of sound quality, but would certainly add some convenience. Cheers!

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад

      @@JeffersonDD I wouldn't expect so, but I would expect it to outperforms an old B77 or PR99 etc. I'll be able to pitch it against my Technics as well as the two Studers.

  • @trevorpsy
    @trevorpsy 3 месяца назад +3

    Two concerns: How available is noise reduction (dolby?), and how available is tape, at what price?

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  2 месяца назад +1

      There are no currently manufactured NR units available, that I'm aware of, but with modern tape formulations these are not as relevant as they once were. I use Recording the Masters tape (this is the current trading name / brand of the old AGFA / BASF / EMTEC, RMGI tape. A 7" reel costs around £35, a 10.5" reel costs from £55 to £80.

    • @trevorpsy
      @trevorpsy 2 месяца назад +1

      @@DaveDenyer That's what I thought. Given sufficient time and energy, professional Dolby noise-reduction electronics must be available. (I'm recalling Dolby SR. Am I remembering correctly?

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  2 месяца назад +1

      I rarely need to use it but I’ve got an old studio Dolby unit with switchable Dolby A / SR. They are about and too pricey.

  • @analogue33
    @analogue33 3 месяца назад +4

    Unfortunately I'm an audiophile on a fixed income, I can barely afford "decent" vinyl playback! Maybe one day, but those of you who can, go for it!😊

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад +1

      Studio quality Reel to reel (even the old consumer 4-track version) was always ‘high-end’. But I’m glad it is available for those that can afford it.

    • @janath9118
      @janath9118 2 месяца назад +1

      @analoguecity3454 Yes, it's same here with me! I agree......😊

  • @heifetz14
    @heifetz14 3 месяца назад +1

    Very interesting video. Will you be joining the waiting list to buy one?. I have a mk11 which caught fire last time I switched it on. I intend to get it repaired and serviced. Has anybody got suggestions about who to take my machine to? I live in London.I used to be able to take reels home from the B.B.C archives and copy them onto chrome or metal cassette. The B77 mk 11 seemed to have it,s own acoustic and the sound was amazing.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад

      Maybe… I’ve already got two Studers, so don’t really need another machine.
      I bet you’ve got an interesting cassette collection.
      The Audiophiles Clinic are near London. Should be able to sort your mk2.

  • @Manu_Nayar
    @Manu_Nayar Месяц назад

    My favourite machine is A77 two track

  • @teashea1
    @teashea1 3 месяца назад +1

    Very good video - excellent information and organization. I cannot find the specification information. Can you kindly tell me where it is? thanks.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад +1

      Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video.
      Here at the links:
      revox.com/intro-b77/
      revox.com/world/music-shop-master-tapes/

    • @cnagorka
      @cnagorka 3 месяца назад +1

      @@DaveDenyer Unfortunately they don't have a frequency response listed, anywhere I could see, anyway. I would be very interested to know what that spec is.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад

      @@cnagorka you're right, I can't find any technical performance specs, however I have no doubt whatsoever that this will not be a problem.

    • @teashea1
      @teashea1 14 дней назад +1

      @@DaveDenyer thanks

  • @briansilcox5720
    @briansilcox5720 3 месяца назад +1

    In the 70s, we bought cassette tape recorders to minimize wear on our vinyl. I bought an Akai R2R in the early 80s for some improvement in playback quality (tape hiss). Running 15 ips tape speeds produced the best results, and the highest cost/ least practicality. I really enjoyed the third head monitoring capability of recording level, noise, over saturation, etc. I am confident this new machine improves upon all of this, but still, the issue of practicality…. Today I prefer the digital medium for practicality. Maybe not the utmost audio reproduction quality, but still a good compromise.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад +1

      That's exactly what i did: buy an LP and record it to cassette, at least for the first few years of my 'journey'.

    • @barfuss2981
      @barfuss2981 3 месяца назад +1

      It is nice to make your own compromises. There is no perfect medium.

  • @pirateshack9315
    @pirateshack9315 2 месяца назад

    Love the Zappa T-shirt !

  • @austinhunt4260
    @austinhunt4260 3 месяца назад +1

    Great video! Vinyl for me, for cost reasons at a minimum. But it's good to know what's out there. I'm toying with the idea of getting a SME 15 (UK)... any experience or thoughts?

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад +1

      Hi Austin, There's no doubt a SME 15 is a very very nice turntable. Whether its for you is really down to your personal tastes. I do have a few friends with SME turntables (generally Model 10s or 15s) although the only SME product I've actually owned myself was a Series V tonearm. In each of these cases there's no doubting SME's quality but to my ears the Series V (and SME sound generally) is leaning towards 'dark, solid and controlled' rather than 'light and boogie factor'. I would really suggest a listen if you can arrange one, preferably at home etc.
      What's your current turntable?

    • @austinhunt4260
      @austinhunt4260 3 месяца назад +2

      @@DaveDenyer Thanks Dave! Fluance RT85 with a Hana ML and Dynavector DV-75 MK 4 preamp. To be honest, the RT85 is an absolutely incredible value tt and I really haven't discovered its limitations yet. But I do realize my collection and equipment may have outgrown it and I'm starting to look at its upgrade. When I buy, it'll likely be in the SME 15 (with 309 tonearm) price range.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад +1

      @@austinhunt4260 ok, to be honest I've not heard the Fluence. However I'd expect the SME to be a big upgrade in many, if not all, ways... When the time comes I'd still advise a decent home demo.

    • @austinhunt4260
      @austinhunt4260 3 месяца назад +1

      @@DaveDenyer It better be a MASSIVE upgrade in every way for 1,600% more money! Just want to make sure there isn't a clearly superior alternative to the SME 15 in the price range. I have to admit, it's design has me.

    • @jabensergei
      @jabensergei 3 месяца назад +2

      If you dont mind of course, but at such price range I would start with Technics SL1200G then Rega 10 then Thorens DD 124 and of course SME 15. This way you get pretty good impression of differ and very HQ TT's. Also whatever the jump from EUR 5k - EUR 8k to EUR 15k is worth it. Good luck!

  • @buskman3286
    @buskman3286 2 месяца назад +4

    Unless you are recording some sort of live or studio performance and specifically want it on analog tape there is absolutely no point in tape nowadays. I have an Ampex 351 studio machine/351 tube preamps and DO use it for live recording and it sounds fabulous and I get constant requests from performers to record with it. But I can't think of other reason to buy a tape machine nowadays UNLESS the goal is to have a "display" item in your system.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  2 месяца назад

      “It sounds fabulous and I get constant requests…” I think says it all… to many people, tape (analogue) sounds fundamentally superior to DACs & ADCs.

  • @wolper2155
    @wolper2155 3 месяца назад +2

    I think, the used Market for Tape Machines will grow.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад +1

      Agreed, I think this will encourage all aspects of the tape market.

  • @thetapeshack2595
    @thetapeshack2595 3 месяца назад +2

    What a great review! Its a smart move by the Revox owners to get the new version of the B77 out there in combination with the master tape copies from Horch House. For new adopters of the media, its important a source of recordings is also available rather than just the machines. Although I've been into HiFi for 40 years, open reel is a relatively new media I have accepted...some might say rather too late but c'est la vie. I'm sure the B77 MKIII will get a decent tranch of sales but although I can afford the 16000 euro price tag, I won't be buying it. That's because the vast majority of consumers would rather spend 1600 euro (or less) on a second-hand refurbished deck and spend the rest of the money on the music tapes. The other feature that I find dissapointing in today's world is the opportunity to record. These machines were designed for recording! It was one of the freedoms that a consumer could partake alongside the professional usage story. It's a shame most of the YT videos out there just talk about playback. On that note it would be nice for you to demonstrate (perhaps on your A80) a recording test even if its just from a digital source and compare perhaps against an LP?

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад +1

      Thanks for your comments. I agree that recording is a valuable feature. Of course in reality it is the format’s raison d’être…

  • @narrowfield6846
    @narrowfield6846 3 месяца назад +1

    I have still got a B77 Mk II and currently considering to sell it. Recently I played it more and more often. It's still a lot of fun.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад

      I love tape. IMHO the absolute best sounding music format.

    • @stevenherkomer
      @stevenherkomer 2 месяца назад

      Want to sell it?

    • @narrowfield6846
      @narrowfield6846 2 месяца назад

      @@stevenherkomer possibly.

  • @williambyrne6855
    @williambyrne6855 3 месяца назад +1

    Cool news. Figured the related tape recording market was limited to Ballfinger.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад +1

      Couldn't agree more. Thanks for the feedback William.

  • @nickbitten9910
    @nickbitten9910 3 месяца назад +4

    Quite fascinating as usual Dave but currently out of my price range.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад +2

      Thanks Nick, hopefully one day.

    • @janath9118
      @janath9118 2 месяца назад

      @nickbitten9910 Yes, for me too!....

  • @Plextortion
    @Plextortion 3 месяца назад +18

    15,590 euros = right at $17,000 U.S. dollars........I'll pass.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад +1

      The price of the machine is 15.950 Euro with German sales tax
      15.950,00 USD in USA
      13.403,36 € without sales tax Europe

    • @Roudaki677
      @Roudaki677 3 месяца назад +2

      A few years ago Technics softly surveyed the market to see if they could sell a modern version of the RS1500 for $30k!!!! Clearly they did not get very far. $15K is not outrageous considering NOS Technics are selling in that range and we all know even the NOS machines will soo require maintenance.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад +1

      @@Roudaki677 I believe that Technics, and Teac / Tascam have at least considered making a new machine. It may still happen. This market is certainly niche, but it has been steadily growing over the last few years. I believe this move by Revox is the most significant step yet!

    • @stevet7487
      @stevet7487 3 месяца назад +2

      At the end of the 80's, just before DAT became available for consumers, some audio recording studios began using ED Beta vcr recorders because they had a superior signal to noise ratio over reel to reel tape decks. I had spent most of the 70's and 80's recording music on a Teac, then Sony, then Tandberg reel to reel tape decks. I never liked the "tape hiss that was present a loud volumes. Although I owned an ED Beta, I had never considered the idea of using it as unit for audio only recordings. The improvement was substantial. At this price, I'd want an exact copy. I'll pass.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад

      @@stevet7487 interesting stuff. Thanks for the feedback.

  • @Stelios.Posantzis
    @Stelios.Posantzis 2 месяца назад +1

    I was about to post that if it comes out, it'll cost something stupid like 10 grand or something. I was wrong, it costs 16k€ with VAT (about 17k$) or about 13.5k without VAT (a bit over 14k$). Offering master tape copies is obviously a masterful (excuse the pun) marketing move, however, with only 22 samples available and and at 480€ each, it'll just be a hobby for a select few. The real issue is whether we will have a tape manufacturer resurface in the near future and produce an economical tape that will be guaranteed to last at least a hundred years.
    The other pertinent question is whether someone will come up with a method of mass-copying existing master tapes to new tape formulations with minimal loss of audio quality. Copying master tapes on a one by one basis is obviously a not viable business prospect or, at least, it is not for very long.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  2 месяца назад +2

      Hi Stelios, the fact of the matter is, back in the 60s / 70s / 80s, reel to reel was THE high end format, a good reel to reel machine cost far more than a high end turntable, for the very good reason that there's far more in a reel to reel recorder than in a turntable, both in terms of mechanical engineering, and electronics...
      So, it's no surprise that they cost over £10k really. On top of that you've got to factor in the limited market, so tape was always niche; the top end of the market, expensive. Extend that up to master quality and it should not be a surprise that is costs what it does. It is not the same thing at all as a mass market medium, not in sound quality, nor in cost to produce.
      As far as the catalogue of recordings go. Between Horch House and Revox there are well over 200 titles (Revox has just acquired Horch House thus becoming a much more significant supplier of master tape copies). Add to that the fifty plus other small labels producing master tape copies - there are well over 500 titles available, the least costly being under £200 for a tape, the most expensive approaching £2k (but that would be for a four reel album).
      As far as 'mass copying' goes: most of the tape labels will duplicate perhaps 4 - 6 tapes at once. This is still done in real time, and obviously would need 5 (or 7) master quality machines, all set up and aligned perfectly, along with master studio quality distribution amplifiers to ensure correct impedance matching.

    • @Stelios.Posantzis
      @Stelios.Posantzis 2 месяца назад +2

      ​@@DaveDenyerHi Dave, thank you for the very detailed reply.
      Regarding the cost of reel-to-reel audio, a better indicator is the average salary or the GDP per capita perhaps minus the cost of living vs. cost of a machine/tape. Then we would be comparing like with like because 10k for a new machine today sounds a lot more than 3k in today's money for a brand new machine in 1970. I think if we do this exercise, we will still find a price discrepancy because today a reel-to-reel deck (to be used as a functional piece rather than a collection item) is a far more niche product than it was in 1970. Before that, in the 60's, the open reel deck was probably the only hi-fi device an upper middle class consumer could afford but it was far from what was considered hi-fi in the 70s or later. So open reel decks back then, as a consumer item class, was not that niche overall.
      On the subject of record player vs. open reel deck, I'd go as far as saying that the open reel deck probably enjoyed a good decade of clear supremacy near the 80s when the really high end record players we have had after the demise of vinyl were not available. Today, for the average consumer it is impossible to get the same quantity of recordings in tape as one can in vinyl, so vinyl is the more dominant medium even if ultimately, in terms of sound quality, tape would still be superior. But master copies on tapes are not and never were a mass consumption good -- they are more like numbered and signed copies of works of art such as prints. This will keep being the case until a machine is invented that can make say 20 or more copies of a tape at once. I do not see why that would not be feasible in the peak of reel-to-reel tapes' popularity, if there was ever such an era, as it would simply be a question of staggering a number of heads parallel to each other with automatic independent alignment mechanisms perhaps and then just skewering the tape reels on one long axle. But maybe someone will put together a solution now, if there is money to be made. Buying a few dozen master tape decks to use as tape copiers is not economically viable in my opinion nor is it scalable.

  • @owenkitto27
    @owenkitto27 2 месяца назад +1

    Will this beat the quality and sound of the high end Studer a80?

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  2 месяца назад

      Good question Owen: I honestly can't say for sure having not heard the B77 MKIII, however I would very much doubt it will sound as good as an A80 in good health.

  • @borlibaer
    @borlibaer 3 месяца назад +6

    As long TDK and MAXELL won't restart magnetic tape production, there will be no cassette or R2R revival
    ☝️😏

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад

      Remember that virtually no studios used tdk or maxell tapes. This is about master quality tapes for the discerning music lover.

    • @stefanegger
      @stefanegger 3 месяца назад +1

      Sadly, I heard the formula or machines is lost or cannot be produced any longer, as the Chrome or better tapes have things in it that are not allowed any longer. I guess the stupid Type 1 tape that remained will be the only "new" tape that we will get - or use the old Type II, III, IV tapes as long as they work.

    • @Abruzzo333
      @Abruzzo333 2 месяца назад +1

      There are at least two companies making new open reel tape....ATR Magnetics and Recording The Masters. ATR's master tape is the best tape I've ever used.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  2 месяца назад

      @@Abruzzo333 I think there's a third: Capture, based (I think) in Australia. I do agree ATR's 'Master' tape is superb, as are RTM's offerings.

  • @TomSherwood-z5l
    @TomSherwood-z5l Месяц назад +1

    Price means it is no threat to the market for restored used machines.

  • @Manu_Nayar
    @Manu_Nayar Месяц назад

    But spool tape are expensive to buy

  • @vicentvanmole
    @vicentvanmole Месяц назад +1

    Next I guess we have to start restoring the Thomas Edison gramophone ,it the most original people will pay a lot to own

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  Месяц назад

      Very funny, as it happens I do have an Edison Phonograph. It doesn't sound anywhere near as good as the Gramophones that were to follow soon thereafter.

  • @supersonic_vienna
    @supersonic_vienna 3 месяца назад +4

    I think its a better idea to invest 1000EUR in an old B77 in good shape and perfectly restore it for about 2000EUR. = 3000EUR for a perfect machine. Thats how we do it here in Austria.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад +3

      That’s certainly one approach. It’s what I’ve done with the four machines I’ve had. The Technics was around that money, the three Studers far more, and the bills keep coming.
      Also, consider for this approach to work at all, someone back in the 70s/80s had to buy that B77 new, and if Revox didn’t build them to last they’d not be easily restorable in 2024.

    • @supersonic_vienna
      @supersonic_vienna 3 месяца назад +1

      @@DaveDenyer Thanks for replying Dave! You are absolutely right. I just mentioned this because for most of us spending 18k on a new machine is not possible. So for ordinary people restoring an old machine is the only way to get it „cheap“. Personally I prefer the A77 MKIII anyway. Its cheaper to buy and easy to restore and reduced to the essentials.

  • @damirhlobik6488
    @damirhlobik6488 Месяц назад +1

    16000 euro

  • @kennixox262
    @kennixox262 2 месяца назад +2

    BIG news. Personally, I would only want playback only.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  2 месяца назад

      Thanks for the feedback Ken.

  • @kaybhee6
    @kaybhee6 3 месяца назад +2

    goody goody... but where to buy high quality blank tapes,,, we want to record analog,, with our analog mixers

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад +1

      I generally buy Recording The Masters tape from Thomann, based in Germany. Or I think Recording the Masters do sell direct, it all depends on where you are...

    • @kentsparling8222
      @kentsparling8222 3 месяца назад +2

      If you're in the US, ATR Magnetics has been quite good for me

  • @stephenhall3515
    @stephenhall3515 3 месяца назад +2

    Who is actually making these and where?

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад +1

      Revox, in their factory near Stuttgart.

  • @Spock105
    @Spock105 3 месяца назад +3

    Wow .
    But I will for sure stick to my A77mkIV & B77mkII .
    Only last week received new tape from Recording the Masters and that tape is already full with 90 tracks going from 1955 to today.
    They could have changed a bit how it looks , seems to me that ReVox was either very lazy in terms of designchanges or went the nostalgic way.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад

      Proof indeed that Revox truly can live long and prosper! 😁

  • @nickwhite24-7
    @nickwhite24-7 3 месяца назад +1

    Aaaargh. Everything I wanted, but no 4 track.
    In the real world you either listen to vintage 1/4 inch 4 track 71/2ips NAB commercial tapes or contemporary “studio master” 1/4inch 2 track 15ips IEC commercial (high cost) tapes.
    I have mostly 4 track 71/2ips tapes and only a handful of expensive “”studio masters” and realistically only space for one tape deck.
    So I might have stumped up nearly €17000 for a new Revox, but only if it does 4 track as well. Some 4 track 71/2ips tapes such as Time Out by Dave Brubeck are really good.
    Right now my solution is to take my 2 track, high speed B77Mk11, swap the record head for a 4 track replay head and wire both the replay reads to an external home-made head amplifier with switchable eq and output level. (I paid a tape tech to fit the new head, align it, then wire both heads to external RCA connectors.)
    Result is a bit fiddly, but for a lot less than 17 grand.
    Or I could buy a used Otari.
    So Revox, good news, but no cigar.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад

      Hi Nick, I fully appreciate why Revox have chosen the 2-track route. It is current, is is the better format (by some margin). However I also agree with you about 4-track, and funnily enough, it was a 4 track 7.5ips Dave Brubeck tape that first caught my ear; Jazz Impressions of Japan... That was the first time I ever heard anything sound better than a good vinyl system...
      Your two replay head solution sounds like a good one!

  • @WolfDieterHaselsteiner
    @WolfDieterHaselsteiner 3 месяца назад +5

    B77 because released 1977?
    And the A77?
    Whatever - I might sell my liver.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад

      Very good point! I hadn’t thought about the A77…

  • @peterc2373
    @peterc2373 3 месяца назад +3

    First: so becouse the b77 came out that year it is called the 77 ? what about the A77 then ? so you don't know much about revox/studer except for some wikipedia/google. Second: tape shedding has nothing to do with the IEC or NAB levels, its just tape badly made like most Ampex , Scotch etc. Third: where are the specs ? not ONE word everywhere not by you, not by Revox ... becouse it is NOT that much better than the old versions, just trying to make (alot) money of old stock with some minor improvements

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад +1

      Hi Peter, regarding the 1977 naming thing. That thought occurred to me in the moment. Of course I’d forgotten about the A77 at that moment…
      Regarding specs… I’m sure once Revox have these in production we’ll see.
      Tape shed? I know this is due to the binders used (by Ampex and dome others), not sure why you think I think it’s got anything to do with EQ curves.

  • @uncled39
    @uncled39 3 месяца назад +2

    I can buy a restored MKII for 1k, why would I pay 16K for a MKIII?

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад

      So that in 44 years’ time you have a machine that was so well built that it can be restored and sold to someone who couldn’t afford to buy a new one.

    • @annebokma4637
      @annebokma4637 2 месяца назад +1

      Well warranty and XLR of course 😂

  • @bulbousblues1
    @bulbousblues1 3 месяца назад +1

    Car or R2R basically. R2R sounds good but a car is a necessity

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад +1

      R2R never was and never is going to be cheap. That’s why consumer formats were invented… I like that it’s available, for those that can afford it.

    • @stvlu733
      @stvlu733 3 месяца назад +2

      Add a speed and head modified 8track home recorder and player to a car, and you can have both, lol.

  • @Abruzzo333
    @Abruzzo333 2 месяца назад +1

    15,950 Euros, they're going to sell about 2 units LOL.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  2 месяца назад +1

      At the time of me making this video (no more than a week after pre-sales started), they'd sold out of the first two months' production (ie. 40 units)...

    • @Abruzzo333
      @Abruzzo333 2 месяца назад

      @@DaveDenyer Proof? I'll wager within 3-5 years, they'll announce that it's no longer in production.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  2 месяца назад +1

      @@Abruzzo333 maybe you've seen the very recent news that Revox have purchased Horch House? That gives Revox a huge catalogue and gives the renaissance of tape a huge boost. I certainly wish them success.

    • @annebokma4637
      @annebokma4637 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@DaveDenyerhadn't heard that news, now it even makes more sense

  • @hippydippy
    @hippydippy 2 месяца назад +1

    16 Grand? I think not.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  2 месяца назад

      Same here, but in a few years time on the used market, maybe...

  • @joekaplowitz2719
    @joekaplowitz2719 2 месяца назад

    Hope it has decent electronics inside and NOT the cheapo laptop type found in most stuff today.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  2 месяца назад

      Hey Joe, Good question. I don't have exact details of the circuitry and componentry, but Revox build things to last decades, so I very much doubt they have decided to throw that pedigree out of the window with this new flagship machine.

  • @uncled39
    @uncled39 3 месяца назад

    They are taking a secondhand mkii, tarting it up and charging 16K, what's not to like?

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад

      That’s not at all what they’re doing!

    • @uncled39
      @uncled39 3 месяца назад +1

      So they aren't using parts of old Revoxes?​@DaveDenyer

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад

      @@uncled39some parts might be similar : some parts might even be the same as those used on the mk2, but all of them are new parts. Not used (refurbed) as is commonly suggested.

  • @BobRoger-i8z
    @BobRoger-i8z 2 месяца назад

    Just a new lick of paint, no real improvement over previous b77, best to buy a MK1 or 2 for about £900-1200 , a little bit of servicing maybe & just as good ! Love my mk 1.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  2 месяца назад +1

      That’s certainly the cheapest way. Fortunately people did pay the price back in the day, so we can enjoy these fifty year old machines…

  • @stingray7275
    @stingray7275 2 месяца назад +1

    Old design, old technology at 20 times the price of the MKII is cheating for me.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  2 месяца назад

      Thanks for the feedback.

  • @karl.weaver
    @karl.weaver 2 месяца назад +1

    £16,000

  • @CeresKLee
    @CeresKLee 3 месяца назад +1

    What a rig that cuts a master record? Or a even a cylinder? Or a spool of wire? I pass. I prefer modern machine with no moving parts!

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  2 месяца назад +2

      Your loudspeaker cones still have to move, as do your eardrums… music, sound, it’s an analogue thing. Somewhere along the line, if using digital, it needs to be converted, then converted back again.

    • @annebokma4637
      @annebokma4637 2 месяца назад

      So you prefer your brain 😂

  • @sanolivo6867
    @sanolivo6867 3 месяца назад +2

    Is a good thing someone wants to make new tape machines. The thing is The MKII was not a good machine, I never liked it. The Akai gx series have way better fidelity and very easy to repair, and excellent price point. My Akai GX-620 fidelity is so close to the DAC. I can't imagine why you need to spend that much money on a Revox.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад

      Interesting, thanks for your comments.

  • @raymota4515
    @raymota4515 2 месяца назад +1

    Lemme see now: less bandwidth, less s/n ratio and dynamic range, generational loss, sourced from digital, expensive media, alignment for different stock expensive., Sure, THAT'S the ticket.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  2 месяца назад

      ‘Sourced from digital’… we’re talking about an analogue tape recorder here…

  • @samissomar
    @samissomar 3 месяца назад

    Too expensive...this's only the Elites !...

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад

      I don’t believe it would be possible to build a brand new reel to reel recorder of this quality any cheaper.

    • @naradaian
      @naradaian 3 месяца назад +1

      Plenty successful musicians around and way too many with money to burn

  • @davepounds8924
    @davepounds8924 3 месяца назад +1

    This video is for a very select view with a big wallet! Not many of us folks who enjoy a good sound system are going to go down this rabbit hole You are talking thousands of dollars and tape machines that are very finicky I have thousands of dollars in my system and I don’t think you’re going to hear much difference in the sound of these expensive machines and tapes costing 500 dollars

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад

      It certainly is a very small niche, but there are people who can afford it, or make that choice to. The difference is actually huge Dave. Once heard you don’t forget it.

    • @Baldieman1
      @Baldieman1 3 месяца назад +1

      @@DaveDenyer Totally agree.Had never heard R2R until a couple of years ago.I was slack jawed at how amazing it sounded,even though it is a pain in the arse to use,comparatively.My rating goes R2R,vinyl,closely followed by cd,with streaming in last place

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  3 месяца назад

      @@Baldieman1I agree:
      1. Tape
      2. Vinyl
      3. CD / locally stored files
      4. Streaming

    • @Abruzzo333
      @Abruzzo333 2 месяца назад +1

      I agree completely, especially with the last part. There are many vintage tape decks that sound every bit as good as a studer/revox for a fraction of the price.

  • @Teac3300sx
    @Teac3300sx 4 дня назад

    It's not new!! Stop saying it's new when it's old stock of the MKII being repurposed!! A Studer is better and for half the price for god sakes! Revox is a Pro-Sumer deck. You're better off getting a teac or tascam 2 track deck.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  2 дня назад

      I have a couple of Studers and yes, I am sure they'll be better than this Revox, however they cost me a LOT of money to maintain... This B77MK3 is clearly not aimed at the same person who'd buy an old A80. And regarding the Teac or Tascam, these haven't been in production for what, 30 years?
      As to whether the B77Mk3 is new or not... There are plenty of new models of all sorts of things that might use some of the same parts as an existing / previous model. Are they not new models? Of course they are.