Small correction about the GX package. It’s not only the tires that change. It’s also: 1. Upgraded suspension from 100mm travel to 140mm travel 2. Dropper seatpost replaces fixed seatpost 3. Larger pedals 4. Upgraded saddle 5. Upgraded grips and if you select this GX package you can’t replace the standard luggage rack with a pannier rack.
Just got a chance to bikepack across the Scottish Highlands on these bikes with the wife. It was a fantastic tour and I really have to say the bikes performed beautifully! Our biggest day was a little over 65 miles with about 2K feet of climbing and we still finished w/ 2 bars. I utilized the e-rohloff which was great for quick stops for pics and not having to worry about shifting down. That said, I still prefer a trad. derailleur personally as I can shift more fluidly. Also, if you get the MTB rear rack option, make sure to pull the lower bolts and add some loc-tite or even better weld the frame to the bike if you don't think you'll have to remove it so this connecting points don't come loose with heavy gear load.
I question your claimed milage in the most strenuous manner (trying to be less blunt in my old age). 1st let's ascertain what you mean by "bikepacking". Can you guess as to how much weight you were packing on the bikes? How many days was the "tour"? Was it bikepacking or touring... I'm confused. I have no doubt it was beautiful and "fantastic", compared with riding any (loaded) standard bike. Are you saying that if you get a version with a rear rack that it needs to be modified before you care a "heavy gear load"? And you never mentioned weight at all on what must have been a many day "tour", let alone got specific so what's "heavy"? But, I have to guess from your remark about choosing a "trad. derailleur" over a Rohloff Speed-hub that you are at most a daily rider that prides themselves on high mileage in a short time and not someone that tours on a heavily loaded bicycle. Bikepacking huh? Where were you charging the bikes daily? R&M makes some very nice expensive day commuters but they can't be considered Expedition Grade... tour bikes, especially when I have never seen one with front panniers. 10 May 20 - 100 miles. www.relive.cc/view/vMv85EGzYNO photos.app.goo.gl/9ZbuKQNWsHtRH3Ft7 prnt.sc/sw0igi
Hi all, I just picked up my new Riese & Müller Superdelite GT Rohloff. I love it! The bike now has the option to choose between dual battery 1000 and 1125 Wh! Because this option was not available when I bought it last February they assumed I preferred the 1125 Wh option, and they were right! So I have my dual battery, dual suspension, Bosch performance 4th generation motor, Rohloff 14 speed electronic shift system, belt drive etcetera complete electric bike! Greetings from Spain. By the way, great review! It helped a lot choosing my e-bike!
Thanks for the review. With the new Bosch motor the internal resistance is almost gone when the electric assistance stops, which is great. But getting rid of that problem does bring two other problems: 1. The new chain ring is much larger which exposes it to impacts from below. The previous Bosch motor used a tiny chain ring which was fully protected from all sides. 2. With the new motor the chain pulls most when you’re pressing down on the pedal so both those forces add up to compress the suspension making the ride wobbly and wasting energy. You don’t feel it much on flat roads but if you’re going uphill the bike will flex at each downstroke.
Such a clean, contemporary design. I love that this bike clearly knows that it's an eBike and plays to those strengths, rather than some others that a little more than regular bikes with an eBike system strapped to it. When will these hit shops stateside?
Thx. Good info! I have been riding for my older NEVO GT Gates Belt for 3 or 4 years. It is the best machine I have ever rode. I ride quit a bit from super steep to long rides in Park City, Utah, USA to sorta flat/smooth and it is ALWAYS fun to ride. It is a joy and rides like a road bike. It is somewhat embarrassing when I passed to road bikers and I’m in “Tour”setting. I still get an amazing work out. I feel like Lance Armstrong ...aka- cheating. NuVinci gearing is mind blowing to me, as a designer/engineer, has infinite gearing. After you ride it you will understand what I an staying. I learned a lot about efficiency and good timing. It’s like jazz.😉 The new bikes have 2 batteries. I get it and understand. I would use these for different things. I’m a certified ‘cheapskate’ (but not by much) so I use a 500W battery and another battery in my backpack. Works for me. Sometimes I needed the extra juice but most of the time I rarely bring a second battery. Living on the edge.🤣
If you can not get hold of the Supercharger 2 look at secondhand Super charger Ist generation. We got one each in Nov 2017 and the bikes are great. Battery life is excellent and the battery discharge over the last two winters has been very low. We got the Gates belt drive because in our part of East Lancs England ( Pendle Hill country ) we have hills and plenty of them. The Gates belt drive allows no loss of speed on the hills as well as low maintenance. One last point get Sena Helmets that have blue toothed and allow a half mile range to communicate with fellow cyclists as well as linking up with your phone
Thanks for the video. I really like the riding scenes, control technology at its best 😀 Owning a rare 2015 Delite Super Mountain, it is great to see how this model has evolved.
r4z0r1 ah cool! I’ve never gotten to ride one of those. That’s the best thing about Riese and müller. Always improving, but the older stuff is still so impressive
Thanks for posting I will say one thing these are the slowest ebugs I've ever seen in my life most people interested in how far they will go how fast they will go and how much they cost
I just bought a Superdelite GT Rohloff. A few days after I placed the order, the shop manager called me and offered to exchange one of the two battery packs against a 625 pack, for a total of 1125. So it seems, that they have now come up with a solution. I have no info why only one pack can be a 625.
@@ruirodtubeMeanwhile I have found out, that with the one 625 Battery pack the frame of the bicycle changes slightly. That seems to imply that it is not just a matter of exchanging one pack against the other. One needs to order the bike with the special frame and the 625 pack. It is indeed not yet an official option on their website, but my dealer has been approached by Riese Müller behind the scenes. He then contacted me. I suppose sooner or later it will be official and for now they are mostly testing interest and demand.
Just ordered one with Rohloff hub🥳🙋🏼♀️ Didn’t upgraded to Fox suspension and I hope I won’t regret it. You heat a lot of stories about rattling Suntour suspension. If I’m lucky, I get Marzocchi because right now they use this instead of Suntour, if I’m not mistaken.
These are incredible bikes . the mercedes/BMW of ebikes . The question is WHO is buying these beautiful creations ? I live in germany and have yet to see even one of these . I’m sure there are plenty of them around , but WHERE are they?
Recently got my HS Superdelite Roloff with 1125 batteries. Excellent bike with insane range. My dropper post seat however is in its highest setting too low for my length. Bibset back: ou get only guaranty from the dealer where you bought the bike. So if you move, as I did, you have a problem as your local R&M dealer will not deal with guarantee requests. Not so premium....
Nice job and quality bikes for sure. My main concern would be heat build up with the integrated batteries possible effect on their useful life. Any issues to date as these bike have been available now for several months. Many thanks, D2
Of course it’s awesome. Just wondering how long it takes to charge? Do you charge them both at the same time? And. 1kwh of power is probably enough. I would guess
Thanks for the great video(s). My 2019 R&M GX Extreme Rohloff HS was stolen last weekend. Insurance won’t cover it, sadly. I loved the bike for the four months I had it. Would this be a good substitute? I’d buy a new 2019 twin for my stolen one if I could find it. Deep Sea Blue. 49cm. Thieves didn’t get the four batteries or the Kiox so I suspect once they learned it can’t shift, it will end up abandoned somewhere. Let me know please if this one will be a good sub. Wish they had darker colors. Thanks.
First of all, that totally sucks. Sorry to hear that happened. Bike thieves can stick it. Make sure to post on bikeindex.org because it's such a unique bike. You might have some luck in recovering it! Since you have the batteries for the previous year's model, it would of course be better to find that model. On the other hand, you should be able to sell those for a decent price. I do honestly think that this years model is a significantly better experience than models of the previous years. The Superdelite GT Rohloff HS with the GX upgrade would be the closest to the bike you had. I rode it in Germany and was blown away. The sizing has changed a bit this year, so make sure to get fitted for the proper size this year. Sending some vibes that you recover your bike!
Tom , that’s horrible!! A reise & muller is NOT a bike you can park in a public place as you now know. Unfortunately a bike this nice cannot be left u attended for any length of time. Locks are worthless if a pro thief is nearby with their angle grinder . If your commenting , take it inside with you no matter how inconvenient.
@@siriosstar4789 Yes, lesson learned. Had contractors working at the house and the back shed was left unlocked for several days with the key in the door and with the burglar system off for several days. That will never happen again.
Where I am from everyone wears a t-shirt and shorts at 9 Celsius . . . As long as it is spring time. Everything is relative after a “deep freeze” winter.
Great review! I've got the Delight 2019 model, high speed vario hub. Great bike, twice a week commuting to the office which is 50 km away. My model and I guess the new model as well, has low quality pedals, which I have replaced by high end Shimano ones. So now it's perfect, except for the position of the lock. The integrated batteries make it possible to reposition it. The new model might be improved but the external batteries are more easy to replace and look more cool. Of course that is personal 🙂
2019 was a great year for the Delite! I never had ridden the vario hub that much until this visit to R&M and I've got to say I've fallen in love. 50km each way is quite the commute! Good on you!
Great review ! Could I get your view on best paint colour for the GX? The warm silver looks very slightly metallic(??) and the gray perhaps flatter. Which colour suits the GX best in your opinion ??
@@durkadur27 I went with every option available, so the top spec. It’s great, bomb proof and really pleased with it. I fitted a speed limit override and a GPS tracker inside the motor casing - so movement alerts to my iPhone 👍
What I don't like about the new tube batteries is the replacement cost has skyrocketed. Ive heard up to 1500? Batteries are supposed to be getting cheaper right?
Definintely not $1500. Batteries have gotten cheaper on the whole. MSRP on the Bosch Powertube batteries is $888 at the moment. If someone is selling you one for $1500 they're taking you for a ride!
Extra AUD $319 [ USD$222 / €196 ] to upgrade to the 625, but again only 1 of the batteries is possible to be upgraded. I just ordered the Super Delite GT Rohloff & paid the extra $319 to hopefully edge out 3 days between recharges (just sold my dual battery SuperCharger that gave me 2.5 days between recharges)... Touch wood + $319 & 12.5% extra battery gives me 3 days @ Turbo all the way 😎
Thanks for the advanced look at the bike I am jonesing on. Although from a practical point of view, I like the older, lighter external batteries that have one advantage in that they fit into a trunk bag, the great look of clean lines with the internal batteries cannot be denied. Exciting that the speed motor now has the same maximum torque as the CX. Is the new motor as quiet as the gen 3? How about pedaling without assist? The gen 3 motors were sluggish when you exceeded the assist limit speed. Does the new one have resistance beyond the limits? Such a unique and good looking bike!
Hey Richard! Definitely less resistance past the speed limit on the gen4 motor. The intube batteries on the Riese & Muller bikes are a bit longer, but much more narrow than the powerpacks this year. Weight-wise I'm not sure of the exact difference. My big thing on the 2020 Superdelite is that it feels more comfortable overall. This might be because I'm should have always been riding a 47cm (of course, the smallest size on previous models was a 49). But I do feel like the refined geometry and updated control technology makes a big difference.
Sugar N Spice it’s tough at the moment for smaller riders. I wouldn’t recommend the Superdelite, but if you can find one to test ride it might still work! Sizing is always variable depending on the rider’s comfort
Damn. No wonder the weight isn't listed in the specs of any retail page I could find. I live in a block of flats - no lift. Lumping 31kgs up the stairs might be a deal-breaker and locking a £8k bike outside seems risky. Shame - I was just thinking this bike was pretty much perfect.
Question ! When you say that you are short... How short are you? Because I'm short too 1m67 so my concern was about the smaller frame in GX mode like the one you tried if I understood well. So I'm curious. You seems pretty good on it, so it would give me something to compare.
Since so expensive $8,100 + US dollars how about renting the e-bike? It’s up there wit car and motorcycle ownerships maybe a lease of $10 or $20 per month?
Comparing this vs the Supercharger 2 for my 20 mile round-trip daily commute. Seattle so hills but also some pretty rough city roads, gravel due to construction, etc. I can't find any good comparisons, pros/cons between the Supercharger 2 and the Superdelite. I love the idea of the comfort of a full suspension and with the ebike, the loss of efficiency doesn't seem like a thing to worry about. Tips/opinions appreciated.
Jeff Jones it’s tough because they are honestly both great bikes. I wouldn’t worry too much about loss of efficiency. My gut says if you’ve got the money go with the Delite. You’re never going to be bummed out that you have a full suspension bike. The only thing I’d say is some people prefer a rigid rear rack (which would come on the supercharger2) to the kind of floating style that is on the Superdelite. Either way I highly doubt you’ll be disappointed. Do you have a local shop to test ride at?
@@FlyRidesUSA Yes, I do and that's my next step. It's funny, I thought the Superdelite was the cheaper bike because when I was price shopping the two, the currencies switched on me. Now it makes more sense :) I hadn't considered the Superdelite as a city commuter but after reading so many good reviews about it, I will need to compare the two closely.
I'll preface with I'm not a person who has ever had major issues with motor noise on any of the bigger motors, but I didn't think it was bothersome. At the same time, I don't think that reduction in motor noise was a big topic for the 2020 Bosch motors.
Update: the 625 battery of my new Super Delite is dead and has to be replaced after 400km from new. I am very unsatisfied so far of the quality of this expensive bike and the guarantee policy of Riese Muller (guarantee limited to the dealer where you bought the bike).
Update: more issues as my bike does not startup and gives error 550. I cannot use it as I have no light and no electronic switching (Rohloff). Bike is at the dealer already for a week....they think it is an internal wiring problem or the front light is the problem.
Update: internal cable of the front light was broken and prevented the bike from starting up including the rohloff shifting. Crazy this can happen on a €9000 bike.
Piotr Feder, you’re absolutely right about that. FOCUS and CUBE (also German brands) offer fully suspended touring bikes with 625 Wh integrated batteries for much, much less money.
@@ruirodtube I own the R&M Tinker ... starting price was €2,999 ... with few accessories it went up to €4,400 .. it is a very good bike but it should never cost like 1/2 of a car .. it is only a bike with a Refrigerator engine. :)
@@pt020 - huh? Ummm...I don't mean to nitpick, but since when does a Refrigerator have an engine? It has a compressor maybe, but not an engine. Taking that even further, an engine is something in the category of an internal combustion engine. My fridge definitely doesn't have an internal combustion engine in it. So, no...your argument is all engine, no motor...hehehehe. Now.....your Ebike does have a motor in it! You know, that little electronic gizmo with the coils in it that turns around a stator that creates EMF? :)) Happy Sunday!
Haha, no deep state conspiracy here "Desirable Jodie." Riese & Müller does a yearly press event in Germany around the same time as Eurobike and we were out there for that. But they did have some bangin' coffee at R&M headquarters.
Thanks! You should be getting anywhere from 60-90 miles realistically, but it all depends on level of assistance, rider weight, terrain, and inclines you're climbing.
Fly Rides Electric Bikes: thank you! 👍 Ah now I see. How stupid. This comment coincidentally came here at the wrong video. This video is actually very good! My apologies for confusing.
Hey Scott. Great video with a beautiful bike that had better be for the near $10,000 dollar price point! Ouch. I wonder why kind of profit margins these crafty krauts are getting, charging $10,000 and over for bikes that you can’t really ride in the rain or when it hits 110 degrees in the summer like it does here in beautiful Arizona. So your still going to need a car and preferably a full sized truck to haul these heavy Panzers (sticking with the German theme) around should they ever break down. Maybe seez are just toys for za very few privileged among us. Sad. What makes the Rohloff hub drive more premium than the Vario? Is it electronic shifting? No one really makes this clear in any reviews. Keep up the good work, feller!
Hey there, R&M really bases their business around car replacement which is honestly more realistic in Europe. Rain really isn't as much of an issue of maybe the heat is. I haven't had that problem luckily. Yes, they're pricey but they are very reliable. I find it's more about the motor system than anything. Bosch really does make a great product. The Rohloff is more expensive due to a wider gear ratio and it being a more "refined" system. I put that in quotes because I think between the Touring (regular derailleur), Vario, and Rohloff it's kind of a wash in terms of quality. It just comes down rider preference. You definitely pay a bit more for the electronic aspect as well. Thanks for watching!
Rohloff hub has a crazy low to high gear range it would be like a 10-50 rear cassette range. R&M is like buying a Porsche. I’ve got 3000 miles on a budget $2000 eBike and I keep eyeing the R&M, would be nice to have the best.
This point is made almost every time a higher-priced e-bike is reviewed and it always strikes me as irksome. This comparison to a motorcycle, used car or scooter implies that the e-bike is inherently less valuable. They’re not. They’re just different and used for different things. A person who is shopping for an e-bike isn’t doing it because they can’t afford a car or scooter, they’re doing it because they WANT an e-bike. I can afford a car. In fact,I HAVE a car. I want an e-bike because they are proven to provide similar exercise benefits to regular bikes. They create less environmental damage and you can ride them in parks and trails. NONE of that is true for the items you listed. I’m NOT looking at e-bikes because I want a car and can't afford it, I’m looking at them because I WANT an e-bike. So why are you telling me what kind of car I can get for that money? It’s no different than if I went on a Lamborghini video and said “too bad, for that money I can buy 40 Reise and Muellers”. They’re different things.
@@Insipid42 Agreed! I think there has been this weird precedent set by DIY eBike people that high-priced eBikes are the enemy, but really you're just getting what you pay for. These types of bikes are not cheap, but they're also way less likely to end up in a landfill after a year.
I also complain about the high price. Look at other forms of transportation and all the parts involved, you can explain the price, but with a bicycle with a battery and very small motor, how do you justify a pice tag near $10k?
Thank you for the video, but a few observations. The GX Option is more than just the tires, it includes flat pedals and, most importantly, the dropper post, which is not included otherwise. The A6000 lock has been on the Delite for years, but you introduce it like news. Many bike manufacturers have managed to include the 625 battery, i dont get why so many reviewers are quite forgiving on it re RM. Simplon has a very nice 1125 Wh setup with the new Sengo Pmax - sleeker and with much lower center of Gravity. Noone from RM has mentioned any change on the rear suspension anywhere, so why should it be different? I like RM and have a Delite on order, but I still wait for more true reviews and less advertizing.
Ah, thanks for the heads up. We don't have Simplon in the States though, so this is currently the highest watt hours. Talking with the team from R&M there was a change in the control technology this year. To me, it does feel different as well. And as far as the A6000, this is the first time we've seen the alarm in the States as well. Cheers!
A few observations... Definitely going to elongate the frame if it had the 625wh, longer batteries. No one wants an uncomfortable bike. Can't complain with 500wh, and with the double pack, it's all you'll need for a long trek in the forest. Plus you're comparing "radishes to honey crisp apples." The the Simplon is a hardtail.
@@HectorSalcedo True. The Simplon Sengo is a hardtail. They make the same concept work for the Rapcon, which is a fully. Nothing to take away from RM, who build good bikes. But it feels the market is catching up fast. I am sure RM will build very comfortable bikes with the 625wh battery in the future. And sorry if I overreact, but youtube is full of so-called "reviews" from influencers, who do nothing but hidden advertising. No problem with it when it is transparent.
Riese -Müller mag ja nicht schlecht sein..aber warum wackelt das hintere Schutzblech wie ein Lämmerschwanz ;-)) ??????????? Lächerlich für den Preis !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
may I ask you to speak faster and if possible reducing your voice clear intonation, and reinforce your local accent. As far as we are international youtube future customers, for a better understanding of that nice Riese, it should be so nice...
The most important thing I would like to know is the range. As soon as you said they sacrificed it I was done watching. Why cant anyone posting an electric bike video start off with the most important information?
Hey Ron! Ranges vary way too much from rider to rider to estimate in a video. That’s the main reason most videos won’t talk about it. And not even just in size and weight, it’s also based on how you ride. It’s best to talk to a shop and give them your height and weight and have them Help you estimate it. Either that or you can use things like Bosch’s range estimating tool on their website. I’ll put the link in another comment. Cheers.
I want to meet the idiot years ago who determined that kickstands aren't cool! Like WTF is that all about? Seriously, who doesn't want a piece of metal to hold up the bike so it doesn't need to be leaned against something! I mean really, what dumb logic! Not yours, but I mean just in general about the whole kickstand logic.
This is an electric bike review. I DON'T WANT A FUCKING MOTORCYCLE. If you want to say I can get a cheaper e-bike fine, but stop telling me I can get a car/cycle/scooter or what the fuck ever. Or go to a scooter video and say "LOL, for that price you can get an electric bike and get exercise and enjoy parks, dummy. Lol, roflmao, Ha ha!
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Small correction about the GX package. It’s not only the tires that change. It’s also:
1. Upgraded suspension from 100mm travel to 140mm travel
2. Dropper seatpost replaces fixed seatpost
3. Larger pedals
4. Upgraded saddle
5. Upgraded grips
and if you select this GX package you can’t replace the standard luggage rack with a pannier rack.
They don't change the pedals anymore with the gx package.
Just got a chance to bikepack across the Scottish Highlands on these bikes with the wife. It was a fantastic tour and I really have to say the bikes performed beautifully! Our biggest day was a little over 65 miles with about 2K feet of climbing and we still finished w/ 2 bars. I utilized the e-rohloff which was great for quick stops for pics and not having to worry about shifting down. That said, I still prefer a trad. derailleur personally as I can shift more fluidly. Also, if you get the MTB rear rack option, make sure to pull the lower bolts and add some loc-tite or even better weld the frame to the bike if you don't think you'll have to remove it so this connecting points don't come loose with heavy gear load.
I question your claimed milage in the most strenuous manner (trying to be less blunt in my old age). 1st let's ascertain what you mean by "bikepacking". Can you guess as to how much weight you were packing on the bikes? How many days was the "tour"? Was it bikepacking or touring... I'm confused. I have no doubt it was beautiful and "fantastic", compared with riding any (loaded) standard bike. Are you saying that if you get a version with a rear rack that it needs to be modified before you care a "heavy gear load"? And you never mentioned weight at all on what must have been a many day "tour", let alone got specific so what's "heavy"? But, I have to guess from your remark about choosing a "trad. derailleur" over a Rohloff Speed-hub that you are at most a daily rider that prides themselves on high mileage in a short time and not someone that tours on a heavily loaded bicycle. Bikepacking huh? Where were you charging the bikes daily? R&M makes some very nice expensive day commuters but they can't be considered Expedition Grade... tour bikes, especially when I have never seen one with front panniers.
10 May 20 - 100 miles.
www.relive.cc/view/vMv85EGzYNO
photos.app.goo.gl/9ZbuKQNWsHtRH3Ft7
prnt.sc/sw0igi
0 C water freezes. 100 C water boils. At 21C Scottish people take their tops off. Hope that helps
And my nipples stick out of my blouse as cold as 18C, your point? hehehehe
😂 easy to remember now
Hi all, I just picked up my new Riese & Müller Superdelite GT Rohloff. I love it!
The bike now has the option to choose between dual battery 1000 and 1125 Wh!
Because this option was not available when I bought it last February they assumed I preferred the 1125 Wh option, and they were right! So I have my dual battery, dual suspension, Bosch performance 4th generation motor, Rohloff 14 speed electronic shift system, belt drive etcetera complete electric bike!
Greetings from Spain.
By the way, great review! It helped a lot choosing my e-bike!
Price?
@@klikn5679 Many uros
What's your average speed on the road ?
Thanks for the review.
With the new Bosch motor the internal resistance is almost gone when the electric assistance stops, which is great.
But getting rid of that problem does bring two other problems:
1. The new chain ring is much larger which exposes it to impacts from below. The previous Bosch motor used a tiny chain ring which was fully protected from all sides.
2. With the new motor the chain pulls most when you’re pressing down on the pedal so both those forces add up to compress the suspension making the ride wobbly and wasting energy. You don’t feel it much on flat roads but if you’re going uphill the bike will flex at each downstroke.
Great video - thanks. "I don't really understand centigrade, but I'm working on it" love that line.
Haha thanks Michael!
Such a clean, contemporary design. I love that this bike clearly knows that it's an eBike and plays to those strengths, rather than some others that a little more than regular bikes with an eBike system strapped to it. When will these hit shops stateside?
phulburt17 agreed! R&M is all about ebikes and not ashamed of it. I believe they’re coming our way in late 2019
Thx. Good info! I have been riding for my older NEVO GT Gates Belt for 3 or 4 years. It is the best machine I have ever rode. I ride quit a bit from super steep to long rides in Park City, Utah, USA to sorta flat/smooth and it is ALWAYS fun to ride. It is a joy and rides like a road bike. It is somewhat embarrassing when I passed to road bikers and I’m in “Tour”setting. I still get an amazing work out. I feel like Lance Armstrong ...aka- cheating. NuVinci gearing is mind blowing to me, as a designer/engineer, has infinite gearing. After you ride it you will understand what I an staying. I learned a lot about efficiency and good timing. It’s like jazz.😉
The new bikes have 2 batteries. I get it and understand. I would use these for different things. I’m a certified ‘cheapskate’ (but not by much) so I use a 500W battery and another battery in my backpack. Works for me. Sometimes I needed the extra juice but most of the time I rarely bring a second battery. Living on the edge.🤣
If you can not get hold of the Supercharger 2 look at secondhand Super charger Ist generation. We got one each in Nov 2017 and the bikes are great. Battery life is excellent and the battery discharge over the last two winters has been very low. We got the Gates belt drive because in our part of East Lancs England ( Pendle Hill country ) we have hills and plenty of them. The Gates belt drive allows no loss of speed on the hills as well as low maintenance. One last point get Sena Helmets that have blue toothed and allow a half mile range to communicate with fellow cyclists as well as linking up with your phone
Thanks for the video. I really like the riding scenes, control technology at its best 😀
Owning a rare 2015 Delite Super Mountain, it is great to see how this model has evolved.
r4z0r1 ah cool! I’ve never gotten to ride one of those. That’s the best thing about Riese and müller. Always improving, but the older stuff is still so impressive
Thanks for posting I will say one thing these are the slowest ebugs I've ever seen in my life most people interested in how far they will go how fast they will go and how much they cost
I just bought a Superdelite GT Rohloff. A few days after I placed the order, the shop manager called me and offered to exchange one of the two battery packs against a 625 pack, for a total of 1125. So it seems, that they have now come up with a solution. I have no info why only one pack can be a 625.
lawnell that’s really good news. I wonder how they accomplished that. The R&M website still doesn’t offer that option
@@ruirodtubeMeanwhile I have found out, that with the one 625 Battery pack the frame of the bicycle changes slightly. That seems to imply that it is not just a matter of exchanging one pack against the other. One needs to order the bike with the special frame and the 625 pack. It is indeed not yet an official option on their website, but my dealer has been approached by Riese Müller behind the scenes. He then contacted me. I suppose sooner or later it will be official and for now they are mostly testing interest and demand.
At least on the German language website 1125 has now become an official option for 199 Euros extra
lawnell I just ordered a Superdelite with the 1125 Wh capacity. The option became available at the beginning of this week! 👍🏻
@@ruirodtube good decision. I picked up my Superdelite gt rohloff 1125 today and am looking forward to a weekend of riding :-)
Those ebikes are awesome! Can't wait to hop on one.
I hope my bike is good enough now i see new superdelite i have Riese muller charcher gx curry 2018 I hope more Nice rides this year 👍
At first glance, this bike appears to be super delightful.
😜
😂😂
Well played sir.
focus has 625x2, simplon has 625+extra500, delite with 625 would be a dream
Oasis agreed. Haha told you I’d be corrected in the comments 😉
Stunning! Love that it's now offered for shorties, like me! Great review!
Deanna Lofquist you and me both Deanna! I think this might be the year I buy myself one
Just ordered one with Rohloff hub🥳🙋🏼♀️
Didn’t upgraded to Fox suspension and I hope I won’t regret it.
You heat a lot of stories about rattling Suntour suspension.
If I’m lucky, I get Marzocchi because right now they use this instead of Suntour, if I’m not mistaken.
How do you feel about it a year later?
These are incredible bikes . the mercedes/BMW of ebikes . The question is WHO is buying these beautiful creations ? I live in germany and have yet to see even one of these . I’m sure there are plenty of them around , but WHERE are they?
Recently got my HS Superdelite Roloff with 1125 batteries. Excellent bike with insane range. My dropper post seat however is in its highest setting too low for my length. Bibset back: ou get only guaranty from the dealer where you bought the bike. So if you move, as I did, you have a problem as your local R&M dealer will not deal with guarantee requests. Not so premium....
How tall are you? That's unfortunat the seat not going high enough for you.
Nice job and quality bikes for sure. My main concern would be heat build up with the integrated batteries possible effect on their useful life. Any issues to date as these bike have been available now for several months.
Many thanks,
D2
Great review.
Really loving your channel.
Very excited for that 2020 motor.
Seth Trey us too! You’ll definitely love it when you hop on it.
Of course it’s awesome. Just wondering how long it takes to charge? Do you charge them both at the same time? And. 1kwh of power is probably enough. I would guess
Thanks for the great video(s). My 2019 R&M GX Extreme Rohloff HS was stolen last weekend. Insurance won’t cover it, sadly. I loved the bike for the four months I had it.
Would this be a good substitute?
I’d buy a new 2019 twin for my stolen one if I could find it. Deep Sea Blue. 49cm. Thieves didn’t get the four batteries or the Kiox so I suspect once they learned it can’t shift, it will end up abandoned somewhere.
Let me know please if this one will be a good sub. Wish they had darker colors.
Thanks.
First of all, that totally sucks. Sorry to hear that happened. Bike thieves can stick it. Make sure to post on bikeindex.org because it's such a unique bike. You might have some luck in recovering it!
Since you have the batteries for the previous year's model, it would of course be better to find that model. On the other hand, you should be able to sell those for a decent price. I do honestly think that this years model is a significantly better experience than models of the previous years. The Superdelite GT Rohloff HS with the GX upgrade would be the closest to the bike you had. I rode it in Germany and was blown away. The sizing has changed a bit this year, so make sure to get fitted for the proper size this year.
Sending some vibes that you recover your bike!
Tom , that’s horrible!!
A reise & muller is NOT a bike you can park in a public place as you now know. Unfortunately a bike this nice cannot be left u attended for any length of time.
Locks are worthless if a pro thief is nearby with their angle grinder .
If your commenting , take it inside with you no matter how
inconvenient.
@@siriosstar4789 Yes, lesson learned. Had contractors working at the house and the back shed was left unlocked for several days with the key in the door and with the burglar system off for several days. That will never happen again.
Horse and bike thieves should be shot.
12°c LOL, You probably wouldn't be in T-shirt (0°c water is freezing, around 22°c you can be naked without being cold if no wind)
Great review 🙂👍
Where I am from everyone wears a t-shirt and shorts at 9 Celsius . . . As long as it is spring time.
Everything is relative after a “deep freeze” winter.
What a bike! Exceptional review!
Chris Koutroulis thanks Chris! It was a blast to make
Very interesting bike, the future of two-wheeled transport?
5”2 and 3/4. I think I can make it
Brianna Ahlmark my Mom used to have us wear shoes with thick soles at amusement parks to get us to the minimum height. Let’s find you some of those!
Is it possible to install a baby seat in the slippers?
Great review! I've got the Delight 2019 model, high speed vario hub. Great bike, twice a week commuting to the office which is 50 km away. My model and I guess the new model as well, has low quality pedals, which I have replaced by high end Shimano ones. So now it's perfect, except for the position of the lock. The integrated batteries make it possible to reposition it. The new model might be improved but the external batteries are more easy to replace and look more cool. Of course that is personal 🙂
2019 was a great year for the Delite! I never had ridden the vario hub that much until this visit to R&M and I've got to say I've fallen in love. 50km each way is quite the commute! Good on you!
Great review ! Could I get your view on best paint colour for the GX? The warm silver looks very slightly metallic(??) and the gray perhaps flatter. Which colour suits the GX best in your opinion ??
Tundra grey is actually like a mild duck egg green. Looks great and my preference over the other. So I bought it.
Green is generally a girl's bike color
@@durkadur27 I went with the silver, have to say though the green it’s a kinda Land Rover utility green a def not a feminine shade
@@supercrazysane I have a superdelite on the way and went with warm silver too. How do you like your bike? Which options did you go with?
@@durkadur27 I went with every option available, so the top spec. It’s great, bomb proof and really pleased with it. I fitted a speed limit override and a GPS tracker inside the motor casing - so movement alerts to my iPhone 👍
What I don't like about the new tube batteries is the replacement cost has skyrocketed. Ive heard up to 1500? Batteries are supposed to be getting cheaper right?
Definintely not $1500. Batteries have gotten cheaper on the whole. MSRP on the Bosch Powertube batteries is $888 at the moment. If someone is selling you one for $1500 they're taking you for a ride!
Would you suggest it is good for tour cycling?
Extra AUD $319 [ USD$222 / €196 ] to upgrade to the 625, but again only 1 of the batteries is possible to be upgraded. I just ordered the Super Delite GT Rohloff & paid the extra $319 to hopefully edge out 3 days between recharges (just sold my dual battery SuperCharger that gave me 2.5 days between recharges)... Touch wood + $319 & 12.5% extra battery gives me 3 days @ Turbo all the way 😎
Great video btw
Sugar N Spice thanks!
Thanks for the advanced look at the bike I am jonesing on. Although from a practical point of view, I like the older, lighter external batteries that have one advantage in that they fit into a trunk bag, the great look of clean lines with the internal batteries cannot be denied. Exciting that the speed motor now has the same maximum torque as the CX. Is the new motor as quiet as the gen 3? How about pedaling without assist? The gen 3 motors were sluggish when you exceeded the assist limit speed. Does the new one have resistance beyond the limits? Such a unique and good looking bike!
Hey Richard! Definitely less resistance past the speed limit on the gen4 motor. The intube batteries on the Riese & Muller bikes are a bit longer, but much more narrow than the powerpacks this year. Weight-wise I'm not sure of the exact difference. My big thing on the 2020 Superdelite is that it feels more comfortable overall. This might be because I'm should have always been riding a 47cm (of course, the smallest size on previous models was a 49). But I do feel like the refined geometry and updated control technology makes a big difference.
The resistance is a software limit, you can tune it .
(but remember it is illegal).
You mentioned 5’3” ...sheesh what about real petite riders of 5’
My in seam is 29” Would it work?
Sugar N Spice it’s tough at the moment for smaller riders. I wouldn’t recommend the Superdelite, but if you can find one to test ride it might still work! Sizing is always variable depending on the rider’s comfort
Aaaand now the 625 WH Batteries exist. What’s R&M’s explanation now?
They added one to this bike so it's 1125 total now.
Hey Fly, does the 70 lbs this bike weighs affect its performance? I was about to buy it and am holding back bc the weight scares me a bit
Damn. No wonder the weight isn't listed in the specs of any retail page I could find. I live in a block of flats - no lift. Lumping 31kgs up the stairs might be a deal-breaker and locking a £8k bike outside seems risky. Shame - I was just thinking this bike was pretty much perfect.
Question ! When you say that you are short... How short are you?
Because I'm short too 1m67 so my concern was about the smaller frame in GX mode like the one you tried if I understood well. So I'm curious. You seems pretty good on it, so it would give me something to compare.
Hey there, seems like you're just a bit shorter than me, but at 1.67m you should still fit the bike.
@@FlyRidesUSA Thanks for the reply
Since so expensive $8,100 + US dollars how about renting the e-bike? It’s up there wit car and motorcycle ownerships maybe a lease of $10 or $20 per month?
sol star I’d love to see more long term bike rental and leasing. Not sure what pricing would be, but would definitely open up the market.
Comparing this vs the Supercharger 2 for my 20 mile round-trip daily commute. Seattle so hills but also some pretty rough city roads, gravel due to construction, etc. I can't find any good comparisons, pros/cons between the Supercharger 2 and the Superdelite. I love the idea of the comfort of a full suspension and with the ebike, the loss of efficiency doesn't seem like a thing to worry about. Tips/opinions appreciated.
Jeff Jones it’s tough because they are honestly both great bikes. I wouldn’t worry too much about loss of efficiency. My gut says if you’ve got the money go with the Delite. You’re never going to be bummed out that you have a full suspension bike. The only thing I’d say is some people prefer a rigid rear rack (which would come on the supercharger2) to the kind of floating style that is on the Superdelite. Either way I highly doubt you’ll be disappointed. Do you have a local shop to test ride at?
@@FlyRidesUSA Yes, I do and that's my next step. It's funny, I thought the Superdelite was the cheaper bike because when I was price shopping the two, the currencies switched on me. Now it makes more sense :) I hadn't considered the Superdelite as a city commuter but after reading so many good reviews about it, I will need to compare the two closely.
Jeff Jones they’re both a great, long term investment!
How was the noise level from the motor?
I'll preface with I'm not a person who has ever had major issues with motor noise on any of the bigger motors, but I didn't think it was bothersome. At the same time, I don't think that reduction in motor noise was a big topic for the 2020 Bosch motors.
Tuff Fold Up One😧 If They Have😤
8:44 exactly: money :D 1500$ more than the non Rohloff isn't it
Update: the 625 battery of my new Super Delite is dead and has to be replaced after 400km from new. I am very unsatisfied so far of the quality of this expensive bike and the guarantee policy of Riese Muller (guarantee limited to the dealer where you bought the bike).
The 625 Bosch battery was replaced by the dealer today as it was confirmed dead and could not be resettet.
Update: more issues as my bike does not startup and gives error 550. I cannot use it as I have no light and no electronic switching (Rohloff). Bike is at the dealer already for a week....they think it is an internal wiring problem or the front light is the problem.
Update: internal cable of the front light was broken and prevented the bike from starting up including the rohloff shifting. Crazy this can happen on a €9000 bike.
@@Lordoftheflatbush thanks for those updates, I’m deciding between the homage, and this one
감사합니다
The only problem of this bike is the price.
Piotr Feder, you’re absolutely right about that. FOCUS and CUBE (also German brands) offer fully suspended touring bikes with 625 Wh integrated batteries for much, much less money.
@@ruirodtube I own the R&M Tinker ... starting price was €2,999 ... with few accessories it went up to €4,400 .. it is a very good bike but it should never cost like 1/2 of a car ..
it is only a bike with a Refrigerator engine.
:)
@@pt020 - huh? Ummm...I don't mean to nitpick, but since when does a Refrigerator have an engine? It has a compressor maybe, but not an engine. Taking that even further, an engine is something in the category of an internal combustion engine. My fridge definitely doesn't have an internal combustion engine in it. So, no...your argument is all engine, no motor...hehehehe. Now.....your Ebike does have a motor in it! You know, that little electronic gizmo with the coils in it that turns around a stator that creates EMF? :)) Happy Sunday!
why are all rm videos by people invited to test rides in germany by rm? what else was in the package?
Haha, no deep state conspiracy here "Desirable Jodie." Riese & Müller does a yearly press event in Germany around the same time as Eurobike and we were out there for that. But they did have some bangin' coffee at R&M headquarters.
CUANTO CUESTA LA VICICLETA ME INTEREZA AL GUN TELÉFONO O CELULAR
back rack spoils look
Hey! Great video! InShaAllah (by God's will) you will get many more subs, as you deserve it!
Btw, what's the estimated range when fully charged?
Thanks! You should be getting anywhere from 60-90 miles realistically, but it all depends on level of assistance, rider weight, terrain, and inclines you're climbing.
I haven’t seen the bikes!
I highly recommend it!
Fly Rides Electric Bikes : I mean in the video! Only talking. I have seen the bikes yes. Ordering tomorrow. Regards from Europe.
@@pieterwald1646 Not sure how to help you with that haha...enjoy the ride!
Fly Rides Electric Bikes: thank you! 👍
Ah now I see. How stupid. This comment coincidentally came here at the wrong video. This video is actually very good! My apologies for confusing.
This or the Supercharger?
This if you have the money. Honestly, I'll probably end up with a Supercharger2 though!
Price in the US, N.Y.
Hey Edgar! it depends on the model you get, but they start at $8169 for the Superdelite GT Touring.
@@FlyRidesUSA. Are you serious ? Do they start a that price ? That's a lot of money !!
@@edgarguzman9806 bike will last you 10+ years easy. Dont fall for cheap chinese knockoff brands like cyrusher etc.
Nice bike amazing but the rim it needs aluminum or metal rim to make it look more durable I'm more attractive to buy
Ten years ago, Gazelle was the dominant player in ebike.I wonder which brand will supersede R&M.
Are these available now?
Pre-order basis at this point, but should be here around the end of the year!
Wring out that huge 250 watt motor
Hey Scott. Great video with a beautiful bike that had better be for the near $10,000 dollar price point! Ouch. I wonder why kind of profit margins these crafty krauts are getting, charging $10,000 and over for bikes that you can’t really ride in the rain or when it hits 110 degrees in the summer like it does here in beautiful Arizona. So your still going to need a car and preferably a full sized truck to haul these heavy Panzers (sticking with the German theme) around should they ever break down. Maybe seez are just toys for za very few privileged among us. Sad. What makes the Rohloff hub drive more premium than the Vario? Is it electronic shifting? No one really makes this clear in any reviews. Keep up the good work, feller!
Hey there, R&M really bases their business around car replacement which is honestly more realistic in Europe. Rain really isn't as much of an issue of maybe the heat is. I haven't had that problem luckily. Yes, they're pricey but they are very reliable. I find it's more about the motor system than anything. Bosch really does make a great product. The Rohloff is more expensive due to a wider gear ratio and it being a more "refined" system. I put that in quotes because I think between the Touring (regular derailleur), Vario, and Rohloff it's kind of a wash in terms of quality. It just comes down rider preference. You definitely pay a bit more for the electronic aspect as well.
Thanks for watching!
Rohloff hub has a crazy low to high gear range it would be like a 10-50 rear cassette range. R&M is like buying a Porsche. I’ve got 3000 miles on a budget $2000 eBike and I keep eyeing the R&M, would be nice to have the best.
no trail, downhill anything off road
That's a foxxy lady.
Cameron Hurley 😂 from Europe too!
So they make good daily riders. Kinda expensive commuter.
excellent review. too bad the bikes are as much as a used car or even a new scooter or motorcycle.
This point is made almost every time a higher-priced e-bike is reviewed and it always strikes me as irksome. This comparison to a motorcycle, used car or scooter implies that the e-bike is inherently less valuable. They’re not. They’re just different and used for different things. A person who is shopping for an e-bike isn’t doing it because they can’t afford a car or scooter, they’re doing it because they WANT an e-bike. I can afford a car. In fact,I HAVE a car.
I want an e-bike because they are proven to provide similar exercise benefits to regular bikes. They create less environmental damage and you can ride them in parks and trails. NONE of that is true for the items you listed. I’m NOT looking at e-bikes because I want a car and can't afford it, I’m looking at them because I WANT an e-bike. So why are you telling me what kind of car I can get for that money?
It’s no different than if I went on a Lamborghini video and said “too bad, for that money I can buy 40 Reise and Muellers”. They’re different things.
@@Insipid42 Agreed! I think there has been this weird precedent set by DIY eBike people that high-priced eBikes are the enemy, but really you're just getting what you pay for. These types of bikes are not cheap, but they're also way less likely to end up in a landfill after a year.
I also complain about the high price. Look at other forms of transportation and all the parts involved, you can explain the price, but with a bicycle with a battery and very small motor, how do you justify a pice tag near $10k?
Awesome brand but way too expensive. Take a Gazelle and double or triple the price. Weight is a fairly irrelevant metric for an electric bike.
I WANT A GPS TRACKER IN MY BIKE IF IM SPENDING $15K
Thank you for the video, but a few observations. The GX Option is more than just the tires, it includes flat pedals and, most importantly, the dropper post, which is not included otherwise. The A6000 lock has been on the Delite for years, but you introduce it like news. Many bike manufacturers have managed to include the 625 battery, i dont get why so many reviewers are quite forgiving on it re RM. Simplon has a very nice 1125 Wh setup with the new Sengo Pmax - sleeker and with much lower center of Gravity. Noone from RM has mentioned any change on the rear suspension anywhere, so why should it be different? I like RM and have a Delite on order, but I still wait for more true reviews and less advertizing.
Ah, thanks for the heads up. We don't have Simplon in the States though, so this is currently the highest watt hours. Talking with the team from R&M there was a change in the control technology this year. To me, it does feel different as well. And as far as the A6000, this is the first time we've seen the alarm in the States as well. Cheers!
Everyone's a critic. Can't wait to see how you do better at reviewing it when you actually get yours.
A few observations... Definitely going to elongate the frame if it had the 625wh, longer batteries. No one wants an uncomfortable bike. Can't complain with 500wh, and with the double pack, it's all you'll need for a long trek in the forest. Plus you're comparing "radishes to honey crisp apples." The the Simplon is a hardtail.
Hector Salcedo interesting. I’d definitely say one of the major benefits is that full suspension.
@@HectorSalcedo True. The Simplon Sengo is a hardtail. They make the same concept work for the Rapcon, which is a fully. Nothing to take away from RM, who build good bikes. But it feels the market is catching up fast. I am sure RM will build very comfortable bikes with the 625wh battery in the future. And sorry if I overreact, but youtube is full of so-called "reviews" from influencers, who do nothing but hidden advertising. No problem with it when it is transparent.
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wow😀😉😎
Serio 10 tyś dolarów
buy 2 radcity step thrus for $2800.00 delivered. $5400.00 less than one of these . $8200 dollars for 1 16400 for 2 // just a thought
But you can buy 10 "normal" cars for the price of one Rolls Royce or Lamborghini. They're different things.
Ridiculously expensive.
looks dope, battery is shit out of the box and will get useless after first season
Denis Black literally what?
Riese -Müller mag ja nicht schlecht sein..aber warum wackelt das hintere Schutzblech wie ein Lämmerschwanz ;-)) ???????????
Lächerlich für den Preis !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Omg dude, you, "don't understand Celsius but you're having a long conversation with Riese about Watt-hours"?...puhleeze.
may I ask you to speak faster and if possible reducing your voice clear intonation, and reinforce your local accent. As far as we are international youtube future customers, for a better understanding of that nice Riese, it should be so nice...
The most important thing I would like to know is the range. As soon as you said they sacrificed it I was done watching. Why cant anyone posting an electric bike video start off with the most important information?
Hey Ron! Ranges vary way too much from rider to rider to estimate in a video. That’s the main reason most videos won’t talk about it. And not even just in size and weight, it’s also based on how you ride. It’s best to talk to a shop and give them your height and weight and have them Help you estimate it. Either that or you can use things like Bosch’s range estimating tool on their website. I’ll put the link in another comment. Cheers.
www.bosch-ebike.com/us/service/range-assistant/
nice bikes, the price is absurd for a bicycle, looks like they target rich old people who goes on a ride once a year
If it has a kickstand it's a piece of 💩
chip Robertson lol what a deeply stupid take
Silly Comment. In one minute you can back out two bolts and the kickstand is gone.
I want to meet the idiot years ago who determined that kickstands aren't cool! Like WTF is that all about? Seriously, who doesn't want a piece of metal to hold up the bike so it doesn't need to be leaned against something! I mean really, what dumb logic! Not yours, but I mean just in general about the whole kickstand logic.
@@TheStoneWhisperer someone that hits jumps and does tricks kickstands get people hurt
GETTING FATTER AND HEAVIER LOOKING... IF THAT IS what you are after for that price...get a motorbike. LOL
This is an electric bike review. I DON'T WANT A FUCKING MOTORCYCLE. If you want to say I can get a cheaper e-bike fine, but stop telling me I can get a car/cycle/scooter or what the fuck ever. Or go to a scooter video and say "LOL, for that price you can get an electric bike and get exercise and enjoy parks, dummy. Lol, roflmao, Ha ha!