Klidge: "It would be so simple and obvious to include this type of story and concept for this character!" Nasu: *proceeds to write an extremely convoluted version of said story that was needlessly written in a way to break almost every established rule of the world he has created, then gets side tracked by an artist's character design he liked and rewrites the entire thing* Klidge: "Oh hey, a nickle!"
Thats a missconception, though. He didn't feel his initial idea was really great neither (a simple good vs bad against Morgan), so he was having doubts since before. Seeing Oberon design just gave him the final push
@@Samm815 the final act of lostbelt 6 and lostbelt 6.5 were created due to nasu and takeuchi seeing the designs of Oberon and young Moriarty respectively
the story of the game stopped being interesting to me because things just felt like they were contradicting previously established things and rules a lot.
Way before Lostbelt 5 officially dropped on NA, I was looking at Lalter's fandom page and saw her "Olympus expression sheets" and I thought she'd get better writing to redeem the awful portrayal in London. I was really devastated to find out how it actually panned out.
Fun Lalter fact: In the FGO Manga, when summarizing the London Singularity (which they skipped), they just don’t mention Lalter, and just end on Tesla.
There’s so many interesting characters in fate, so much so that most fall on the wayside. Also Lalter was in one frame of Olympus. Have fun with that information
I do truly wish that Lalter would get a meaningful character development or screentime. She's massively underrated. So many potential, among many of the wasted potentials from the underutilized Servants.
The only time I can see her get the spotlight is if a big event happens with Lalter and Drake, with the legendary Wild Hunt. Both of them are associated with it and we haven't gotten an arc about it.
@@rejoicingfakepriest201 I hate to see what happens if Nasu collabed with Hideo Kojima. The story would end up being so overly complex that it would drive Foreigners like Abigail Williams insane
You spoke facts my dude, Lalter is really underrated, she could be much more and when i played London, i felt that her introduction in there was kinda off, like a secondary boss or something that was added as a "just because" it is a shame that developers did not take advantage of her lore.
I’d say she’d be a great antagonist for a main interlude. A fun concept: what if the London singularity was never fixed, and instead it was turned into a lostbelt which is overrun by a zombie apocalypse. And all of this happened because someone else took her spot as the leader of the wild hunt. With this the devs can introduce NPCs like Agravain or even Odin as potential servants. Or if the devs want to go crazy (which they often do) they can get Angry Mango as the main antagonist, where in this LB he actually became a beast. or bring in Kaiser Nobbu and turn this into a Gudaguda.
Even greater, we could have the Four Horsemen join as well as a sequel to that, we have seen one I believe in Strange Fake. Now we can see the other three (two, if they don't reveal Gramps as King Hassan)
i've said a long time ago that if the writing team didn't had their fingers inside their asses during london, they could had dropped the Tesla part all the way until america, and make Lalter a second and true antagonist of the chapter simply by making her a complete foil to Mordred. Make her appears through the chapter as a misterious enemy following Mordred, and actually being the cause for the fog instead of the weird machine Barbatos had.
Alters in general seems to have been shafted to either the shadow realm or fanservice which is a shame considering how epic some of them are like Demiya a hero who abandoned his morals to fight for humanity... Oh well money speaks more than anything in fateverse.
It would be a fun character quirk if Lalter kept trying to kidnap Emiya from Chaldea to be the personal chef of the wild hunt, would also throw the shippers a bone so it’s a win win.
While I like the idea I also would like to note that Lalter is actually considered a GOOD servant. As in, opposing Evil. The time we see her in London she's being possessed because she absorbs the demonic fog. When we meet her in KnK, she's actually wholly a good person. We only fight her because she LOOKS so damn evil, but she was actually just being a good guardian and trying to protect the area. And when we meet her in her interlude (if I remember correctly) she comes off as a well-meaning person but one also filled with self-loathing. Like she's accepted a huge responsibility but doesn't have faith in herself except that she needs to keep fighting. Which is to say if she did appear as a villain I believe she would be an extremely sympathetic one, fighting for (what she believes to be) the only right cause.
Alignment in Fate especially for Servants can be a bit misleading. Lalter is Lawful Good like the normal Artoria but Goddess Rhomgmyriad is as well as most of the Knights of the Round Table. Shi Huang Di and Arjuna Alter were also both Lawful Good despite being Lostbelt King antagonists and many of their subordinates as well. Amakusa Shirou, Vlad III, Medea Lily, Nitocris, and many others are all examples of Lawful Good servants being antagonists. Alignment can't be a limiting factor when determining a villain/antagonist. I agree that they are more likely to be sympathetic than an Anti-Hero. The issue with Lalter is that, despite not giving up her humanity, her very existence as leader of the Wild Hunt causes desolation wherever she goes as leading a horde of supernatural mystics is liable to do. She might mean well but the reality is that she should have died like her proper human history counterpart as it simply isn't possible to safely rule Britain as she is now.
As soon as I saw the video title, I figured it had to be Lalter. I think in general, Fate has consistently dropped the ball with their villain versions of Artoria. Even going back to the original VN, Salter had a cool introduction, but Nasu seemingly had no idea what to do with her after that, and she kind of just aimlessly floats about the story before getting jobbed out midway through the climax before ever getting really any character development beyond the Brainwashed Superman trope. Spark's Liner HIgh was a hell of a scene in isolation, but it feels like it was ripped out of another story where the character... well maybe actually had character. Salter's best story ended up being years later when she turned face in FGO. Goddess Rhongomyniad is the most successful of the three attempts at a villain Artoria IMO, which is sorta faint praise. She actually has character and motivation, albeit maybe not the most complex, and she more exists in the story for other characters to act in response to her existence. So maybe it's better to call her a good plot device than a character. And sadly post-Camelot her primary role has been to fulfill Takeuchi's fetish needs of wanting a bigger boobed version of his waifu, character proportions be damned.
Lalter being in Olympus only to die super fast when later we see Morgan fire a super Rhongomyniad and she's doesn't even get to live to drop some meaningful lines about that, let alone use her OWN corrupted Rhongomyniad against it?! It's like they know Lalter has a loyal fan following and wanna piss use off by underdeveloping her... Not that she's was developed in... *"Certain"* uh... *"Assets"*..
Totally would like to see more of these videos. Would also like to see something akin to wasted potential vids for characters on a narrative or usage standpoint like you did with Agartha (even though the vid was just listing what was wrong with it, but hopefully my point is still coming across).
Honestly the entirety of London’s finale was just wasted potential. I still can’t believe they didn’t allow Fran, with her freaking Galvanism ability and connection to lightning, to be the trump card needed to bring down Tesla/The King of Storms.
@@flowersandcheesecake1710 To be fair, that probably would have been more fitting in Camelot... They still didn't do it there, but that would have been the time for it, I think.
One nitpick about her list of appearances: Lalter was a PHH servant who arrived and died in Atlantis/Olympus before Chaldea arrived. For the whole "king of the storm" bit, its related to the concept of the Wild Hunt itself, as the Wild Hunt was an event that would occur during great nighttime storms. Thus, to be the King of the Wild Hunt is likewise the king of the storms that herald the hunt. OverlySarcasticProductions have a very good video talking about the nature of the Wild Hunt and its different versions across different myths.
If they're doing a collab/event, I still held out hope for Avenger Lalter, Archer Drake & Foreigner Attila as the 3 leaders of the Wild Hunt and we have to stop them in their tracks. Bonus if Pretender welfare Kriemhild/Siegfried & Fionn costume.
Actually she made an appearance in Lostbelt 5.5 as one of the servants that established a beachhead in Olympus for Chaldea. Though it was very minor and last for like a minute.
I would love it if Lalter was made to be the main villain in a future Halloween event that sees the inclusion of other Knights of the Round like Bors, Kay, and even Agravain, in a sort of "Haunted Castle" theme. At first it feels like all fun and games with each floor having other servants as "ghosts", but then BOOM sharp 180 into trauma with including dead npcs and phantoms of erased characters.
@@mndy129 Yep. Hilarious to think that Lalter & Nightingale were genuinely trying to raise Mordred as a couple, enough that Mo still has residual trauma in Summer 1.
Its a shame of how robbed Lalter is. She needs more story relevance (like many servants) but she definitely feels underused. Its also a shame she hasn't gotten an animation update. FGO should have had Lalter be the main villian of the London Singularity and its also a shame she had one line in Olympus
The wild hunt classically is also known as cain’s hunt. As in Cain and Able. Humanity’s first murderer. Who was cursed by god to live with his crime. Basically cains hunt imagines Cain as a wandering ghost in a band of spirits that represents death
First, I should preface this diatribe by saying that I am as-yet unspoiled on Lostbelt 6, so I had to back out at the end of this video and am decidedly unaware of how that story's implications affect the thoughts below. All that said: I've got a big time Goddess Rhongomyniad/Camelot Singularity obsession, and so Lalter has by proxy been a pretty major fascination in just how underexplained and underutilized she is. Her interlude, early content though it is with all the caveats that entails, portrayed her as being extremely battle-hungry. In capping the whole thing with a fight against herself, there were implications of that hunger being a role that she had jumped head-first into and began stubbornly considering a core aspect of her being, despite underlying personal and emotional misgivings -- similar to how vanilla Lancer considered it inevitable that she was going to be an inhuman goddess incomprehensible by others in the way that the Lion King herself was, even if she hadn't truly lost touch with her emotions as evidenced by Romulus' interference. My memory of Fate/Stay Night's VN and Fate route is kinda hazy, but I vaguely recall there being an explicit mindset in Saber of being proud of her martial ability and having branded herself with the role of being a warrior, despite personally not actually enjoying the need to fight on a fundamental level, so Lalter's interlude reminds me strongly of that sort of concept. Also, I find it kinda majorly fascinating that Lalter is the only Alter outside of Arjuna and Okita who isn't listed with a purely evil alignment. She's still Lawful Good. Alignments in Fate seem to be really wonky, and the one time I asked about it on the FGO reddit, people seemed to lean toward an explanation of, "it's influenced by how the individual Servant views themselves," but I'm not entirely sure that's a universal fact that bears itself out across the many examples we've got. All that said, "corrupted by an evil influence but without seeing an effect to her core alignment" is a pretty neat dynamic. I could imagine a couple of explanations; riffing off of your video here, one could be that Lalter's existence fundamentally includes her obscenely high resolve to define who she wants to be for herself. Another angle could include some measure of "Yes, she's been affected by something evil, but Rhongomyniad has branded her so thoroughly that her alignment cannot be deviated from lawful good." Or, if it's just the notion of a Servant's personal perception of their own alignment being the deciding factor as was put forth by the folks on Reddit, then it might just be that she's got an association with the King's word defining law and morality.
I agree. Tbf, i havent seriously read the FGO story until like Camelot or Babylonia (which i watched before). When i saw that Lalter was a Story Locked Servant, i wondered why (at that point i already reached the LBs and knew that she wouldnt appear). Then i learned that apparently she was in London. I completely forgot that part as she was so insignificant in the story. It´s....kind of sad...
Artoria Lancer Alter is also part of Francis Drakes 2nd Interlude. Just as an enemy in the midst of a literal Storm (at Cape Horn). In it Roman describes "The Wild Hunt" as embodiment of a legendary Storm and something about Drake being swallowed by a storm because she joined its ranks. I never quite understood that beyond LAlter being the King of the Storm. What I took from this was Nikola Tesla nocking a whole ship-crew out with the words: "Can you smell what the Nik is cooking!? 'Cause we're cooking with ALTERNATING CURRENT now! (only WWE/The Rock Fans will understand).
really wish type-moon create.. event singularity basically normal knights of the round table versus the black knights of the round table all the black knights of the round table are alters of the normal round table knights
She even got buffed from Charisma E to wild hunt A while Salter for some reason still have Charisma E. I mean maybe in the upcoming Ordeal Call they should hae something.
Losbelt 6 spoilers: In the history of the lostbelt there was a war in the beginning of the queen's calendar between the fae and the mors known as the mors war, the mors was defeated and the mors leader known as the king of the storm was killed by the fang clan When i read this i was like "wow they rembered that lalter exists" even though there was no confirmation that it was her, i want to believe that she was the mors king
Since she appeared out of nowhere in london singularity and she died super fast might as well be off-screen in lb5 There's a huge chance that she's the mors king.
Thinking about it... there's a lot of theories that the main story will be returning to Fuyuki at some point. And given the main villain of Fuyuki was Salter, I don't think it's out of the question to think that they could add Lalter to that for the parallels.
Just wanted to point out that Artoria Lancer (and by extension, Lartoria Ruler) is NOT Goddess Rhongomyniad/Lion King; "King Arthur, the legendary Knight King who governed over Britain. A what-if King Arthur who, after emerging as a king, made the Holy Lance his main armament instead of the Sacred Sword and reigned over Britain. Although she has the same appearance as the “Knight King” - aka “Goddess Rhongomyniad” - who reigned over the Holy City and had acted for the sake of leaving as many humans behind in the aftermath as the majority while the height of the great undertaking, the Human Order Incineration, was looming, she is essentially a different person." "This version of Artoria is a Heroic Spirit of the Heaven Attribute that personally returned her Holy Lance at Camlann Hill, before she returned to the earth.** However, the Servant “Lion King”, who has the same appearance as her, was not able to die when she was fated to die, and as a result, she became a wandering ghost while keeping onto the Holy Lance. Because the “Lion King” held onto the Holy Lance and transformed into “Goddess Rhongomyniad”, completely changing into a Divine Spirit in the process, this version of Artoria is different in the inside compared to the "Lion King"." - From Fate/Grand Order material IV *TL;DR* - Lartoria used Rhongo over Excalibur and gave it up before she died. Lion King could not die because of Bedivere, kept Rhongo, stayed alive for centuries, and eventually became a different person.
What if they did a Main Act 3 and she was the Main Antagonist leading the 4 horsemen leading an army of the dead and damned. That would sick as a story
Here’s something interesting: the Wild Hunt is often said take place around midwinter, right? According to some traditions in Western and Central Europe, spinning fabric during midwinter is taboo, as it is believed that the act will bring bad luck or even attract the Wild Hunt. Meaning that Habetrot and Lalter should be natural enemies. I want to see them interact Lasagna, make it happen.
Man, I've had Lalter in my Chaldea ever since London and I've ruminated on the fact that she rarely gets used at all many times. She's an Artoria Pendragon and is thus a top tier servant and yet serves almost no purpose in the story.
The only issue here is Lalter is an existing servant, so they'd pretty much have to make a 5 star version of her to act as the proper villain. Now that said, maybe Lalter isn't the BIG BAD of the chapter. Maybe she's the right hand of the BIG BAD who ends up getting the 5 star treatment. That would work. Course, now you need to make an appropriate BIG BAD, but I'm sure something can be figured out. Alternately, you could have Lalter be the powered down form I guess, and later introduce her powered up form as the new 5 star.
Honestly, I find her really hard to be a bad guy as her alignment is Lawful Good. She is a unique Alter becasue of that - no other alter has this alignment. Furthermore, she remained Human as she refused to ascent to Godhood. She values more being herself and a human than becoming omnipotent being as she knew that will probably change her - maybe for the worse. Because of those two things above and how she acted in the story so far (interlude) I doubt she can be a bad guy, I can definitely see her as someone who can save the day in the end. And she does appear in one more event - Journey to the West with Sanzang. She has very big role there as she is father in a family of Nightingale and Mordred. You even have CE of that event with her, called "Ox-King".
I thought Lalter said her existence was because of Goddess Rhongomyniad (Lancer Artoria) and Salter? Like the both of them existing made her... like a Phantom Spirit (I don't know, not familiar with fate lore). I have a vauge memory of her saying that in Solomon.
Honeslty she would be a cool Villain Idk if she would be the first lawful good Villan of fgo as well Which would make it interesting too, to see her reasoning for her actions
Honestly, Salter and Lalter have far more interesting timelines than their original. They took the path of being a king and a pirate while the originals took the path of a hero and goddess. It would've been better if she was in lostbelt 6.
On a slightly different topic, one of my biggest gripes with fgo is character death. Spoilers ahead.. I feel like fgo is too scared of killing characters. Of course, just taking them out willy nilly ruins the feeling when someone truly important dies, but it didn't have enough imo. Hell, with the alien god, lolivinci and the stranger, we're technically getting back those characters. Im mainly talking about characters who appeared for more than one story beat, excluding Olga. You could argue that with the bleaching of earth and the chaldea raid in the beginning that those must be worth something, and they are. But how can I feel anything for bodiless, mostly voiceless staff?
Well according to fgo wiki lancer artoria and the lion king from camelot singularity are completely different entities this was written in her bond lvl5 text but since it is neither related to video nor the character u have discussed about on video it doesnt matter
Klidge: "It would be so simple and obvious to include this type of story and concept for this character!"
Nasu: *proceeds to write an extremely convoluted version of said story that was needlessly written in a way to break almost every established rule of the world he has created, then gets side tracked by an artist's character design he liked and rewrites the entire thing*
Klidge: "Oh hey, a nickle!"
What are you talking about? I'm serious. What are you referring to?
@@Samm815 man rewrote the entirely of LB6 after seeing Oberon's design
Thats a missconception, though. He didn't feel his initial idea was really great neither (a simple good vs bad against Morgan), so he was having doubts since before. Seeing Oberon design just gave him the final push
@@Samm815 the final act of lostbelt 6 and lostbelt 6.5 were created due to nasu and takeuchi seeing the designs of Oberon and young Moriarty respectively
the story of the game stopped being interesting to me because things just felt like they were contradicting previously established things and rules a lot.
Way before Lostbelt 5 officially dropped on NA, I was looking at Lalter's fandom page and saw her "Olympus expression sheets" and I thought she'd get better writing to redeem the awful portrayal in London. I was really devastated to find out how it actually panned out.
Fun Lalter fact: In the FGO Manga, when summarizing the London Singularity (which they skipped), they just don’t mention Lalter, and just end on Tesla.
There’s so many interesting characters in fate, so much so that most fall on the wayside. Also Lalter was in one frame of Olympus. Have fun with that information
What’d she do?
@@Ayahuasca98 struggle
@@Ayahuasca98 have a horse.
@@Ayahuasca98 appear.
@@Ayahuasca98 the same thing she always does
I do truly wish that Lalter would get a meaningful character development or screentime. She's massively underrated. So many potential, among many of the wasted potentials from the underutilized Servants.
The only time I can see her get the spotlight is if a big event happens with Lalter and Drake, with the legendary Wild Hunt.
Both of them are associated with it and we haven't gotten an arc about it.
@@9751matt That's the obvious thing to do, what we average mortals do.
Watch as Nasu overcomplicates things again, just like usual :)
@@rejoicingfakepriest201 I hate to see what happens if Nasu collabed with Hideo Kojima. The story would end up being so overly complex that it would drive Foreigners like Abigail Williams insane
You spoke facts my dude, Lalter is really underrated, she could be much more and when i played London, i felt that her introduction in there was kinda off, like a secondary boss or something that was added as a "just because" it is a shame that developers did not take advantage of her lore.
I’d say she’d be a great antagonist for a main interlude.
A fun concept: what if the London singularity was never fixed, and instead it was turned into a lostbelt which is overrun by a zombie apocalypse. And all of this happened because someone else took her spot as the leader of the wild hunt. With this the devs can introduce NPCs like Agravain or even Odin as potential servants.
Or if the devs want to go crazy (which they often do) they can get Angry Mango as the main antagonist, where in this LB he actually became a beast.
or bring in Kaiser Nobbu and turn this into a Gudaguda.
Even greater, we could have the Four Horsemen join as well as a sequel to that, we have seen one I believe in Strange Fake. Now we can see the other three (two, if they don't reveal Gramps as King Hassan)
You know what could fix this? A summer version for her (probably)
- The devs
i've said a long time ago that if the writing team didn't had their fingers inside their asses during london, they could had dropped the Tesla part all the way until america, and make Lalter a second and true antagonist of the chapter simply by making her a complete foil to Mordred. Make her appears through the chapter as a misterious enemy following Mordred, and actually being the cause for the fog instead of the weird machine Barbatos had.
Alters in general seems to have been shafted to either the shadow realm or fanservice which is a shame considering how epic some of them are like Demiya a hero who abandoned his morals to fight for humanity... Oh well money speaks more than anything in fateverse.
Yeah, like just compare the number of male alters to the name of female alters + how most of them aren't good as good as even the non alter forms.
Her wild hunt is just a ton of Shirou faces in varying outfits.
It would be a fun character quirk if Lalter kept trying to kidnap Emiya from Chaldea to be the personal chef of the wild hunt, would also throw the shippers a bone so it’s a win win.
As Lalter ascends, her amour is gone.
As Zenobia ascends, she becomes fully clothed.
Love how lancer alter just randomly placed in the background
While I like the idea I also would like to note that Lalter is actually considered a GOOD servant. As in, opposing Evil. The time we see her in London she's being possessed because she absorbs the demonic fog. When we meet her in KnK, she's actually wholly a good person. We only fight her because she LOOKS so damn evil, but she was actually just being a good guardian and trying to protect the area. And when we meet her in her interlude (if I remember correctly) she comes off as a well-meaning person but one also filled with self-loathing. Like she's accepted a huge responsibility but doesn't have faith in herself except that she needs to keep fighting.
Which is to say if she did appear as a villain I believe she would be an extremely sympathetic one, fighting for (what she believes to be) the only right cause.
Alignment in Fate especially for Servants can be a bit misleading. Lalter is Lawful Good like the normal Artoria but Goddess Rhomgmyriad is as well as most of the Knights of the Round Table. Shi Huang Di and Arjuna Alter were also both Lawful Good despite being Lostbelt King antagonists and many of their subordinates as well. Amakusa Shirou, Vlad III, Medea Lily, Nitocris, and many others are all examples of Lawful Good servants being antagonists.
Alignment can't be a limiting factor when determining a villain/antagonist. I agree that they are more likely to be sympathetic than an Anti-Hero. The issue with Lalter is that, despite not giving up her humanity, her very existence as leader of the Wild Hunt causes desolation wherever she goes as leading a horde of supernatural mystics is liable to do. She might mean well but the reality is that she should have died like her proper human history counterpart as it simply isn't possible to safely rule Britain as she is now.
As soon as I saw the video title, I figured it had to be Lalter.
I think in general, Fate has consistently dropped the ball with their villain versions of Artoria. Even going back to the original VN, Salter had a cool introduction, but Nasu seemingly had no idea what to do with her after that, and she kind of just aimlessly floats about the story before getting jobbed out midway through the climax before ever getting really any character development beyond the Brainwashed Superman trope. Spark's Liner HIgh was a hell of a scene in isolation, but it feels like it was ripped out of another story where the character... well maybe actually had character. Salter's best story ended up being years later when she turned face in FGO.
Goddess Rhongomyniad is the most successful of the three attempts at a villain Artoria IMO, which is sorta faint praise. She actually has character and motivation, albeit maybe not the most complex, and she more exists in the story for other characters to act in response to her existence. So maybe it's better to call her a good plot device than a character. And sadly post-Camelot her primary role has been to fulfill Takeuchi's fetish needs of wanting a bigger boobed version of his waifu, character proportions be damned.
Without this video I would have never been aware of the WIld Hunt game mode or even the lore. Thanks Klidge!
Lalter being in Olympus only to die super fast when later we see Morgan fire a super Rhongomyniad and she's doesn't even get to live to drop some meaningful lines about that, let alone use her OWN corrupted Rhongomyniad against it?!
It's like they know Lalter has a loyal fan following and wanna piss use off by underdeveloping her... Not that she's was developed in... *"Certain"* uh... *"Assets"*..
Totally would like to see more of these videos. Would also like to see something akin to wasted potential vids for characters on a narrative or usage standpoint like you did with Agartha (even though the vid was just listing what was wrong with it, but hopefully my point is still coming across).
Honestly the entirety of London’s finale was just wasted potential. I still can’t believe they didn’t allow Fran, with her freaking Galvanism ability and connection to lightning, to be the trump card needed to bring down Tesla/The King of Storms.
Or have Artoria and Mordred having a actual conversation with each other
@@flowersandcheesecake1710 To be fair, that probably would have been more fitting in Camelot... They still didn't do it there, but that would have been the time for it, I think.
One nitpick about her list of appearances: Lalter was a PHH servant who arrived and died in Atlantis/Olympus before Chaldea arrived.
For the whole "king of the storm" bit, its related to the concept of the Wild Hunt itself, as the Wild Hunt was an event that would occur during great nighttime storms. Thus, to be the King of the Wild Hunt is likewise the king of the storms that herald the hunt.
OverlySarcasticProductions have a very good video talking about the nature of the Wild Hunt and its different versions across different myths.
If they're doing a collab/event, I still held out hope for Avenger Lalter, Archer Drake & Foreigner Attila as the 3 leaders of the Wild Hunt and we have to stop them in their tracks. Bonus if Pretender welfare Kriemhild/Siegfried & Fionn costume.
She's in Lancelot's interlude too. I kinda forgot about her until I played it yesterday
This is one of my favorite videos of late. Your content is such a nice surprise and the commitment to it is to applaud. Thank you three thousand!
Actually she made an appearance in Lostbelt 5.5 as one of the servants that established a beachhead in Olympus for Chaldea. Though it was very minor and last for like a minute.
1:53 Study abroad with a sickness(Okita)
Also Shinjuku Salter: Became a underground in Shinjuku boss on her Aboard trip
I would love it if Lalter was made to be the main villain in a future Halloween event that sees the inclusion of other Knights of the Round like Bors, Kay, and even Agravain, in a sort of "Haunted Castle" theme. At first it feels like all fun and games with each floor having other servants as "ghosts", but then BOOM sharp 180 into trauma with including dead npcs and phantoms of erased characters.
It pains me to see Qin Liangyu here, the most we got about PHH version in the story is that LB3 one says she's nothing like her.
London?
You mean the shiki event xD
Really even attila had more of a boss vibe during story mode than her, hell even tesla in london itself
Wasnt Lalter one of the servants who went ahead and set things up in Olympus? Since all the servants there had a connection to Lightning/Electricity.
Tesla's new voice lines that interact with her too 😳
She gets like one line and never again. And she was dead
1:24 = She also plays a significant role in Sanzang Coming to the West.
Ah yes the Ox-Demon King and that nice buster support CE
@@mndy129 Yep. Hilarious to think that Lalter & Nightingale were genuinely trying to raise Mordred as a couple, enough that Mo still has residual trauma in Summer 1.
Who knows, maybe she might be a good topic for a Halloween event, assuming they won't just resort to more oni and Bathory faces.
She also married nightingale in the journey to the west event right before Camelot singularity came out...lot of fan art of that since then.
I’m not even sure what you’re talking about as there’s barely any fan art of them other than the one where nightingale slaps her.
And that is why her valentine cutscene is one of my favorites
Ah man now I really want her to appear again. Maybe do a Shinjuku like story with Lalter where she’s just chillin around you, maybe had a new outfit?
Its a shame of how robbed Lalter is. She needs more story relevance (like many servants) but she definitely feels underused. Its also a shame she hasn't gotten an animation update.
FGO should have had Lalter be the main villian of the London Singularity and its also a shame she had one line in Olympus
I feel like lalter is part of a lostbelt that got pruned away before we even knew what a lostbelt even was, its like musashis case ig?
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That sounds so epic! And plausible and very true to those myths and legends
OH yess, please do more of these Type of Videos. I always have my own stupid ideas and I wanna see what other people can come up with.
The wild hunt classically is also known as cain’s hunt. As in Cain and Able. Humanity’s first murderer. Who was cursed by god to live with his crime. Basically cains hunt imagines Cain as a wandering ghost in a band of spirits that represents death
First, I should preface this diatribe by saying that I am as-yet unspoiled on Lostbelt 6, so I had to back out at the end of this video and am decidedly unaware of how that story's implications affect the thoughts below. All that said:
I've got a big time Goddess Rhongomyniad/Camelot Singularity obsession, and so Lalter has by proxy been a pretty major fascination in just how underexplained and underutilized she is. Her interlude, early content though it is with all the caveats that entails, portrayed her as being extremely battle-hungry. In capping the whole thing with a fight against herself, there were implications of that hunger being a role that she had jumped head-first into and began stubbornly considering a core aspect of her being, despite underlying personal and emotional misgivings -- similar to how vanilla Lancer considered it inevitable that she was going to be an inhuman goddess incomprehensible by others in the way that the Lion King herself was, even if she hadn't truly lost touch with her emotions as evidenced by Romulus' interference. My memory of Fate/Stay Night's VN and Fate route is kinda hazy, but I vaguely recall there being an explicit mindset in Saber of being proud of her martial ability and having branded herself with the role of being a warrior, despite personally not actually enjoying the need to fight on a fundamental level, so Lalter's interlude reminds me strongly of that sort of concept.
Also, I find it kinda majorly fascinating that Lalter is the only Alter outside of Arjuna and Okita who isn't listed with a purely evil alignment. She's still Lawful Good. Alignments in Fate seem to be really wonky, and the one time I asked about it on the FGO reddit, people seemed to lean toward an explanation of, "it's influenced by how the individual Servant views themselves," but I'm not entirely sure that's a universal fact that bears itself out across the many examples we've got. All that said, "corrupted by an evil influence but without seeing an effect to her core alignment" is a pretty neat dynamic. I could imagine a couple of explanations; riffing off of your video here, one could be that Lalter's existence fundamentally includes her obscenely high resolve to define who she wants to be for herself. Another angle could include some measure of "Yes, she's been affected by something evil, but Rhongomyniad has branded her so thoroughly that her alignment cannot be deviated from lawful good." Or, if it's just the notion of a Servant's personal perception of their own alignment being the deciding factor as was put forth by the folks on Reddit, then it might just be that she's got an association with the King's word defining law and morality.
It's sad that outside of the main story in Part 1, Lalter is essentially relegated to a clumsy onee-san and used as a joke character.
Well there's the copium I needed for Patxi returning as a pseudo-servant. Lalter will totally call Patxi back *copecopehuffhuff*
I agree. Tbf, i havent seriously read the FGO story until like Camelot or Babylonia (which i watched before). When i saw that Lalter was a Story Locked Servant, i wondered why (at that point i already reached the LBs and knew that she wouldnt appear). Then i learned that apparently she was in London. I completely forgot that part as she was so insignificant in the story. It´s....kind of sad...
Speaking of forgotten Servants Eric Bloodaxe.
It would be interesting if emiya alter to appear as a counter gaurdian for that timeline
Artoria Lancer Alter is also part of Francis Drakes 2nd Interlude.
Just as an enemy in the midst of a literal Storm (at Cape Horn). In it Roman describes "The Wild Hunt" as embodiment of a legendary Storm and something about Drake being swallowed by a storm because she joined its ranks. I never quite understood that beyond LAlter being the King of the Storm.
What I took from this was Nikola Tesla nocking a whole ship-crew out with the words: "Can you smell what the Nik is cooking!? 'Cause we're cooking with ALTERNATING CURRENT now! (only WWE/The Rock Fans will understand).
Let's hope that she comes back with an amazing story arc
8:50 she need a skill and NP overhaul with those ability and I hope this one actually knows how to stand with her horse
Well I have a new Lancer to add to my favorite servants list
She is the only servant to this day that I have completely max out, I would honestly like to see her more in events
It's says a lot about how much people want more of her when there's so much fanart of the Kara no kyokai event gag she had.
Lalter is also the only of the very first Artorias (Lily not include) that doesn't have a swimsuit, while Saber, Salter, Lancer, and Assassin yes.
The most screen time she got was in saber Lancelot story quest. Oof
It should be noted that Lancer Alter is Lawful Good, which I find incredibly hilarious.
really wish type-moon create.. event singularity basically normal knights of the round table versus the black knights of the round table all the black knights of the round table are alters of the normal round table knights
Lartoria is the only saberface straight up ignored
and also to add up we already know the 4 horseman can be summon (pale rider in stange/fake)
She even got buffed from Charisma E to wild hunt A while Salter for some reason still have Charisma E. I mean maybe in the upcoming Ordeal Call they should hae something.
Losbelt 6 spoilers:
In the history of the lostbelt there was a war in the beginning of the queen's calendar between the fae and the mors known as the mors war, the mors was defeated and the mors leader known as the king of the storm was killed by the fang clan
When i read this i was like "wow they rembered that lalter exists" even though there was no confirmation that it was her, i want to believe that she was the mors king
Twas the buggy boy
Since she appeared out of nowhere in london singularity and she died super fast might as well be off-screen in lb5
There's a huge chance that she's the mors king.
I saw the thumbnail and I thought it was another "What went wrong with Agartha" about London. But I liked the video anyway.
LASSANGA GIVE US EVENT OF MY DARK LORD
Thinking about it... there's a lot of theories that the main story will be returning to Fuyuki at some point. And given the main villain of Fuyuki was Salter, I don't think it's out of the question to think that they could add Lalter to that for the parallels.
Though which version of Fuyuki, Salty Night or Grand Order 🤔
Describing Noble Phantasms in 3 words or less?
With the bleaching of the world, couldn´t they make like "Wild Hunt" of all servants? like a mass summoning to every servant that we have met so far?
Wow I'm actually early, please look up Dog meat general on RUclips and watch that video. Now imagine the possibilities for this man as a servant
Just wanted to point out that Artoria Lancer (and by extension, Lartoria Ruler) is NOT Goddess Rhongomyniad/Lion King;
"King Arthur, the legendary Knight King who governed over Britain. A what-if King Arthur who, after emerging as a king, made the Holy Lance his main armament instead of the Sacred Sword and reigned over Britain. Although she has the same appearance as the “Knight King” - aka “Goddess Rhongomyniad” - who reigned over the Holy City and had acted for the sake of leaving as many humans behind in the aftermath as the majority while the height of the great undertaking, the Human Order Incineration, was looming, she is essentially a different person."
"This version of Artoria is a Heroic Spirit of the Heaven Attribute that personally returned her Holy Lance at Camlann Hill, before she returned to the earth.** However, the Servant “Lion King”, who has the same appearance as her, was not able to die when she was fated to die, and as a result, she became a wandering ghost while keeping onto the Holy Lance. Because the “Lion King” held onto the Holy Lance and transformed into “Goddess Rhongomyniad”, completely changing into a Divine Spirit in the process, this version of Artoria is different in the inside compared to the "Lion King"."
- From Fate/Grand Order material IV
*TL;DR* - Lartoria used Rhongo over Excalibur and gave it up before she died. Lion King could not die because of Bedivere, kept Rhongo, stayed alive for centuries, and eventually became a different person.
reminds me of Altera they did my alien AI queen dirty
What do you think about golden children in fgo. I.e characters that are way more favored by the devs and who you think they are.
What if they did a Main Act 3 and she was the Main Antagonist leading the 4 horsemen leading an army of the dead and damned. That would sick as a story
Lalter was my first np2 SR and she's still my go to aoe Lancer
Here’s something interesting: the Wild Hunt is often said take place around midwinter, right? According to some traditions in Western and Central Europe, spinning fabric during midwinter is taboo, as it is believed that the act will bring bad luck or even attract the Wild Hunt. Meaning that Habetrot and Lalter should be natural enemies. I want to see them interact Lasagna, make it happen.
Man, I've had Lalter in my Chaldea ever since London and I've ruminated on the fact that she rarely gets used at all many times. She's an Artoria Pendragon and is thus a top tier servant and yet serves almost no purpose in the story.
Wait, wouldn't that mean, Emiya would be capable of being one of LAlters Ghost Army?
Her profile saying she is actually good and not evil should have been an interesting enough start for an alter
But it wasnt
The only issue here is Lalter is an existing servant, so they'd pretty much have to make a 5 star version of her to act as the proper villain. Now that said, maybe Lalter isn't the BIG BAD of the chapter. Maybe she's the right hand of the BIG BAD who ends up getting the 5 star treatment. That would work. Course, now you need to make an appropriate BIG BAD, but I'm sure something can be figured out. Alternately, you could have Lalter be the powered down form I guess, and later introduce her powered up form as the new 5 star.
1:50 the graph is wrong. And no I don't mean because of Okita. I mean your understanding of her Lancer versions and Goddess Rhongomyniad is wrong.
Honestly, I find her really hard to be a bad guy as her alignment is Lawful Good. She is a unique Alter becasue of that - no other alter has this alignment.
Furthermore, she remained Human as she refused to ascent to Godhood. She values more being herself and a human than becoming omnipotent being as she knew that will probably change her - maybe for the worse.
Because of those two things above and how she acted in the story so far (interlude) I doubt she can be a bad guy, I can definitely see her as someone who can save the day in the end.
And she does appear in one more event - Journey to the West with Sanzang. She has very big role there as she is father in a family of Nightingale and Mordred. You even have CE of that event with her, called "Ox-King".
So going with what you saying about lb6 it's kinda funny, because that means she got replaced again like in camelot this time by morgan
I thought Lalter said her existence was because of Goddess Rhongomyniad (Lancer Artoria) and Salter? Like the both of them existing made her... like a Phantom Spirit (I don't know, not familiar with fate lore). I have a vauge memory of her saying that in Solomon.
A Phantom Spirit is someone who fell short of becoming a Heroic Spirit, so that's not the right term here.
Hold on, if Lalter comes from the same point as the Lion King, what happened to Bedivere? BediAlter?!
Bedi Alter on his way to bring back Artoria to Avalon through brute force when?
Lalter was the first non welfare I np5, and she's bond 10 and grailed, I still use her cause she just destroys all, and deserves more love.
Honeslty she would be a cool Villain
Idk if she would be the first lawful good Villan of fgo as well
Which would make it interesting too, to see her reasoning for her actions
Could you do a behind the servants for himiko or Bakin?
did she pop in in LB 5.2 along with the other "servants"
Yes and she had one line and was dead before we got there. And was a AI
@@sonic30655 thought so
Honestly, Salter and Lalter have far more interesting timelines than their original. They took the path of being a king and a pirate while the originals took the path of a hero and goddess. It would've been better if she was in lostbelt 6.
Doujins have a better character development for her.
Didn't she appear in Olympus too?
1:01 Why she was used poorly in game and in character lolter
Ado edem moment
Uhhh, guys. Read the bond 10 CE lore of Lalter. I think things would make sense.
You too have also realized how this character has been relegated to "Phantom" status.
Wasn't Santa Claus based off of the Dutch Sinterklaas, who was based off of a mediterranean saint?
Santa has a lot of inspirations so its hard to pin point which is THE one. But the image of the bearded man in a sled I believe came from Odin
She appeared in the olympus lostbelt as well.
And I doubt she will appear in lostbelt 6.
The most likely event is lostbelt 7.
It feels good for someone going down fate lore other than otaku dai kun,unlike others who have made money by overworking support casters.way to go👍👍👍
On a slightly different topic, one of my biggest gripes with fgo is character death. Spoilers ahead..
I feel like fgo is too scared of killing characters. Of course, just taking them out willy nilly ruins the feeling when someone truly important dies, but it didn't have enough imo. Hell, with the alien god, lolivinci and the stranger, we're technically getting back those characters. Im mainly talking about characters who appeared for more than one story beat, excluding Olga. You could argue that with the bleaching of earth and the chaldea raid in the beginning that those must be worth something, and they are. But how can I feel anything for bodiless, mostly voiceless staff?
*Mordred, I am your father*
Well according to fgo wiki lancer artoria and the lion king from camelot singularity are completely different entities this was written in her bond lvl5 text but since it is neither related to video nor the character u have discussed about on video it doesnt matter
Why does everyone keep calling Qin Shi Huang mothman
yeah when the REAL MOTH MAN EXIST AS THE UNCLE OF ARTORIA?
Especially when I think his motif is actually a peacock
Because his visual iconography is intentionally that of an angel moth which symbolize immortality (an idea he was obsessed with)
@@NevisYsbryd that’s his 2nd and 3rd ascension
the Ryo art, and Musaki from Chaldea Gurus got him at NP4 to much his chagrin.
Not having her as a major antagonist is weird. Funny enough MHX Alter had more screen time and relevance.