Leica Purists - Maybe skip this video for your own good.
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- I really hate when the words “bargain lenses” are used to describe Voigtlander lenses. These may be less expensive than the Leica glass, but bargain puts sort of a negative twist on this beautiful glass from the start. Pair these up with a Leica M 10-R or Leica M 11 and you are in for a visual treat.
The 50mm apo-lanthar really shows how much lens technology has progressed over the years. You don’t need Leica to make a good M lens. The craziest part is 50mm apo-lanthar only costs < $1000.
Another very useful video for those of us who are M shooters but can't afford the Leica lenses. Thanks.
You’re very welcome. With any of these lenses you won’t be missing out at all.
I have both 35 and 50mm Summicrons and APO Lanthars. The Voigtlanders are VASTLY better lenses. Sharper, better corrected, no field curvature, and comparable build quality. LEICA LENSES SUCK.......
Voigtlander is making fantastic lenses. I love my 28mm you have here (the black paint on it has faded faster than I thought it would though... I don't mind it, I knew this would happen with it being a black paint lens, but surprised it faded so quick)... For 50mm I prefer their 50mm 1.2... that's my favorite 50mm I've ever used for me... love the versatility of that lens... at 1.2/1.4 you get that more artistic feel and stop it down to 4/5.6 its perfectly sharp.
50mm 1.2 FTW. Incredible lens. It lives on my M3.
The VM 50mm APO-Lanthar was my first lens purchase for my M10R and I simply love it, I added the 35mm Ultron II, and the TTArtisan 28mm f5.6.
I love the Ultron for its size but that near perfection for commercial work keeps the 35 APO in play
Tell us a little bit about the 7 arts lens buddy, why you chose it and its strengths and flaws if any. At the very low price of 7 arts lenses, this should make interesting reading!
@@arthurrsaker8893 YT has several reviews on the TT28, it is a fun lens to use on M cameras because of how small it is, set it at f8 and point and shoot basically, but it is a lens for outdoor street, it is too slow to use inside, hope that helps.
@@GamachePhoto thanx buddy I')) check it out. The small size and low weight are definite pluses for me as my kit is isuually a pretty minimal 2 ,but occasionally a 3 lens plus body aet-up in a small outfit bag. and I like to keep enough space for a little refreshment during my rest/shooting stops. Thamx for taking the time to pass on the info. Much appreciated. .
I only own the 50mm APO Lanthar out of all of these so I’ll keep the rest in mind as I build my kit. I am interested in that 28mm but I’m more tempted to get a 21mm f/3.5 color-skoptar.
I have the 21 for interior shots (the f/4) and probably use it 2 times a year. The 28 I use constantly
I had the 21 f/3.5 Color Skopar. It offered a vintage look on my Leica SL2, but wasn’t a high resolution lens. I sold it and bought a Leica Wide Angle Tri Elmar-M 16-18-21 mm lens.
I just purchased the 50Apo as the 50 Lux wasn’t getting much love. I have high hopes for it on my M10r, as the Lux will sit on my M10m for the foreseeable future.
I picked the color skopar in 35mm (I hate 35) for my CL. Seems good there. I highly recommend the 21 SEM for full frame M.
Just picked up the 90mm to pair with my 28mm and 50mm Voightlander lenses for my M11. That will be my trio setup moving forward.
It is my first time watching your channel and I love it. May I conclude the list of your dream team of Voigtlander lenses here?
Voigtlander 28mm f2 Ultron II
Voigtlander 35mm f2 APO Lanthar
Voigtlander 50mm f2 APO Lanthar
Voigtlander 90mm f2.8 APO Skopar
If I miss anything, please correct me. Thank you very much.
That’s the lineup.
I love voightalder, but nothing beats the ergonomics and shooting experience from a summilux in my opinion.
I own the 50mm lanthar. Love it, I use it in my SL2 in studio for its sharpness.
But in the street, the ergonomics of the Summilux ASPH help me to achieve much better shoots of moving people, thanks to the tab and the focus ring being much more smooth than the Cosina.
I do love the Summilux as well. But to squeeze out the full 60mp on the M11 the Voigtlander 50 APO will be my go-to. (Maybe until I can justify the Leica 50 APO).
Voightalder?
I have both lens brands with my M and agree with your choice. I did turn towards Leica lenses after a while but not out of dissatisfaction with my Voigtländer lens but maybe for the character and indigenous aspect. Both Voigtländer and Leica eco systems are quite a jungle to navigate for someone new to them, but I eventually found my calling in terms of characters of desire. But money also plays in. I do go for "reasonable" but would maybe consider a Voigtländer as what I could justofy if looking for something like a Summilux or Noctilux as they are outrageously expensive, if you are not a professional. In all honesty, I think it is fair to say, that differences between a comparable Leica and Voigtländer lens is minute or to most even unobservable.
Wish these were made for the LUMIX L mount. Just love the voigtlander glass.
I’m actually surprised they haven’t added the L Mount yet.
Can’t you just use the m to l adapter like the sl2s?
@dormir01 Not too keen on adapters, just dreaming these would come in native L mounts.
The Leica adapter reads 6-bit I believe. I only adapt M to a CL, once hoping I’d score a SL2 (but my Canon R and R5 do fine with Zeiss ZE glass.)
About the Voigtländer APO-Lantar Lenses, the redesigned 35mm 2.0 for Sony E-mount is actually better than M-mount version ! I do not know if the same is the case with the 50mm.
Not on a Leica, but I had the voigtlander Nokton 1.2 ASPH on a Fuji. Voigtlander sure isn’t the one from long ago, they put out some serious lenses these days. I was blown away by the look and feel of the photos, but they never had that fake overly sharpened look to them that many modern lenses suffer from. And it was ‘only’ $600 USD new. I’d imagine the voigtlander lenses for a Leica are equally amazing and if that’s the case, $700 or so VS $3000+ Leica lens is a no brainer. The voigtlander will do 90% of the M lenses, the question is are those M lenses worth thousands more for that extra 10% or so
What’s the 10% ?
Excellent line-up! A less-negative word, than “bargain,” would be “Value.” 🙂
I like that better.
It be fun to see some concert pictures with the Voigtlander 50 APO. Maybe in one of your coming videos?
😂😂 just posted it
@@kaskoPhoto Cool 😎 I’m going to watch! Thank you 😊
I have never owned or used Voigtländer lenses.
However, I am not a Leica Purist. One of the three lenses I use on my Leica rangefinders is a Zeiss.
I believe the Leica purist is more of a collector then a photographer. I use the lenses that work for me. And other then the size of the Voigtlander APO 35 and 50, there isn’t a lens that offer more.
All but one of the Zeiss ZM lenses are manufactured by Cosina. (Only the 15mm Distagon ZM is made in Germany, by Zeiss.) Voigtlander is the brand name that Cosina uses for its own lens designs. Either way, Cosina is making wonderful lenses.
@@rexgigout1472Interesting. I was under the impression that the lenses were to Voigtlander's design but made in Japan in the Cosina factory.
It seems to me that Cosina/Voigtlander''s quality/value is an important contribution to Leica's survival, as the ruinously high cost of Leica glass deters many from buying into the system, shrinking Leicas market to the point that the production of the already very costly camera bodies, can only be sustained at a profitable level, by the availability of the much more affordable high quality glass from Zeiss and Voigtlander. For pros, tax deductibles help, but a lot of money has to be earned to be able to invest at that level.
I have heard some people say the 50 f2 APO Lanther has no character. What is your opinion?
Its only goal is perfection. Character, another word for imperfections, this lens does not have.
Thanks. Clearly stated. I am an amateur, so don’t deal with clients’ preferences.
I have the 35 and 28. Not Apo, because for me, size matters. It frustrates me to have part of the view blocked with the sunhood, as happens with wide angle. A 50 gives a great perspective, but is often too narrow for my shooting. The recently bought 75 and 90 are great to work with and I am happy with the results. A big drawback for me is that the 75 is f1,8. So heavy and big. The odd one out in the line. Question: does the 50 ultron or Apo with hood block much of the view in the 50 frame lines?
I have the hood for the APO but have only used it once or twice. It does block a little but really can’t say if it bothered me because I use the lens without it so much more. Lens coatings today are so good it really isn’t a factor most of the time.
Hello! Thank you for your videos there very informative and I really love them. I just bought an M11 and I was wondering what camera halfcase model you were using in this video? Thanks agains.
Nothing like a good lens to help tell the digital story that happened in our lovely, analog world... I kept on hoping the person taking in the video would show his face and head. Was the video cropped to not show the individual's head for security reasons?
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Where did the new 35mm nokton 1.5 go?
In my closet - these are my commercial lens pics.
lol had exactly the same thinking ! :D
nice glass. I have some Nokton from Voigtländer sitting on the RD-1 and M8. Just great esp when you consider the price compared to Leica glass
I will go one further and say great period without the price comparison
@@kaskoPhoto agree!
Nice video! Have you tried any of these lenses with a Leica film body? Just wondering how it compares to Leica lenses on film.
I personally have not, but two of my friends shoot the 50 APO on film and love it for its sharpness.
Thank you for an informative overview of these lenses. I'm curious if you have tested the Voigtlander 50/1.2 and 50/1.0 for the M system. Cheers.
The 50 f/1 is amazing but does suffer from CA - I have not used the 50 1.2 yet. Plan to try the 1.2
@@kaskoPhoto - Thanks, will look forward to a future review. You have an older RUclips video in which you talk about your Leica 50/1.4, 28/2.8 and 90/4 Macro as your three lenses. The CV 50/2 APO, 28/2 and 90/2.8 duplicate the same focal lengths. Also, in your other video you said you preferred a 28mm over a 35mm for that extra wider reach, but it looks like you have added a CV 35/2 APO into the mix now. I'm curious if you now have all these Leica + CV lenses, or if you replaced some Leica lenses with equivalent CV lenses, and what your current portfolio is.
@@royprasad I have them all. I just use the APOs for commercial work vs regular client work.
@@kaskoPhoto - Thanks, although I'm not sure I understand the distinction between commercial work and client work.
I have the 50 Lux latest version are you saying the APO Lanthar is better? I’m stuck because I love the fast glass for low light due to not having no stabilization in the M11.
Well that’s a loaded question. So let’s see if I can answer that with a touch of politics - I’m saying it’s different. In my case, I get more resolving power from the Voigtlander 50 APO
Ok I got you haha!!
@@Fleet42APO less to no CA and colors are spot on. -Two very different beasts
Thanks for the great content. I've been binge watching as I prepare to purchase an M11. Like many I am struggling on an initial lens purchase, and I am very tempted to buy third party for value (and quality). Are there any issues using 3rd party lenses on the Leica M11 besides the lack of coding? I assume you can do any corrections in lightroom, if needed.
I can heartily recommend the Carl Zeiss 50mm f/2. It's gotten little attention on RUclips for unknown reasons, but it's my current favorite. I've paired with its 35mm f/2 brother and wouldn't part with either of them.
Honestly no… just have to remember to manually tell the camera which lens you are using. Sometimes I forget. And the 50 APO from voigtlander or the 28 or 35 ultron 2 (if you want budget friendly and small) will not leaving you wanting any more then what they deliver.
A grew up with Zeiss glass and know they make some amazing products.
How did you black out the red logo on your M11?
Just black dots purchased on Amazon. I was traveling and do that when I’m leaving my little town.
@@kaskoPhoto do you know which ones? recommendation would be super helpful ;-)
@@AlexanderBischof I believe I added them in my Amazon store
@@kaskoPhoto seems I am blind today. Can't find the link to your amazon store
is the M-11 an APS sensor?
Full frame
I have a Leica 35mm f2 ASPH,its a nice lens but not for me,I simply buy it because i need the handling of a m lenses and I lose less money selling a Leica Lens. Me and my friend jokes about it being a Voigtlander all the time
Try the Voigtlander Ultron 35mm f/2 Version 2 - you may then joke that your Voigtlander is a Leica
@@kaskoPhoto I have tried it,that’s why I joke about it. Voigtlander lenses are very capable
No examples? 😖 (responding to the reply) okay… why aren’t there any examples?
That wasn’t a question so much as it was statement.
It's a good video. Wouldn't you prefer a 75mm lens?
When I “need” a telephoto the 90 fits a little better for me. If I didn’t like the 50 for portraits so much I would use the 75
Have you tried the Zeiss lenses? If so, how do they compare?
I grew up on Zeiss enlarger lenses - they were the absolute best. I haven’t used any on the M system at all. I think I am shying away because of the new Voigtlander glass and how well it is designed for the larger sensors.
@@kaskoPhoto I have the Zeiss 35 1.4 ZM. I am about to trade my M10 for an M11 and can't wait to see how it goes on the 60mp.
Zeiss is often crazy sharp, Voigtlander has APO for pure sharpness but a selection of other lenses to be "two in one" (IE: open up for "character," stop down for acceptable sharpness). Zeiss has "character" lenses too, but I feel Voigtlander really nails that look best.
Just from my experience and personal preferences. Your mileage may vary, of course.
Using Voigtlander lenses on a Leica body is like putting Costco seat covers on Lamborghini seats.
I use my 50mm 0.95 Noctilux on a Voigtlander Bessa R, so where does that leave me?
@@newellharry176 you are good. Leica is all about the lenses.