Was Jesus Actually The Serpent In The Garden Of Eden? - Alex O’Connor
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Chris and Alex O’Connor discuss the story of Adam and Eve. Who was Jesus according to Alex O’Connor? Does Alex O’Connor believe there’s more than one God in the Bible? Who was the serpent in the story according to Alex O’Connor?
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I was literally coming in here to ask where the heck is the full Ep Chris 🤷♂️🤪 can't be teasing us savages with just a short 9 mins clip 🤭😂 that just isn't playing fair what so ever 🤣🤣🤣
Keep up the good work dude ✌🏻😉
Alex O'Conner is one of the biggest proofs that clowns can have college degrees in humanities
@@CloudWithoutASky He wants to be Jordan Peterson so bad
People losing their shit over Alex talking about the gnostic gospel. Like holy shit, he’s not saying any believe is correct or not, he’s just exploring interesting ideas, chill out
I don't think any of it is literally or historically true, but the gnostic gospels do speak real truth. I don't think the authors were even trying to tell a story they believed really happened.
@@trippyyokeGnosticism is bollocks. It is also the root cause (via Hegel) of Marxism, Fascism and Nazism - indeed all forms of socialism.
@@rxvyy what they are talking about in those gospels can only be explained in metaphor. There are plenty of scholars that study these texts and understand their true meaning and have put hours into explaining it on the internet lol the gnostics weren't "lying." They were explaining a singular consciousness dividing itself to create the entire universe. All of this is in the mind of "God"
This is not something you can explain easily so they developed myths and symbols to explain it. Egyptians Greeks Romans all did the same thing in their mythology. Only the coman folk took them literally. Scholars and the people who were actually literate and studied these stories understood it was spiritual truth explained through archetypes and symbols. If you read the apocrypha of John and don't understand what the story is telling you then I can't help you. As a wise man once said, "don't cast pearls before swine."
@@rxvyy no not new age at all. New age might suggest that the demiurge and Jesus and the archons are spiritual alien beings, say they were pleiadians and claim that they can channel them. 👽 Lol I'm claiming almost the opposite that it's not literal but it's still truth. It is a story trying to explain a philosophy. I'm not going to claim I 100% know what the authors were thinking because I never met them, and I would sound like a retard, but to me it seems they were interested in philosophy quite a bit. There are some parallels to plato in the gnostic gospels that causes me to believe this. You can believe what you would like and Ill believe what I think. Have a nice day.
@@rxvyySo let's say for example, Marcion of Sinop and his biblical canon. You think he interpreted everything 100% literally?
He's actually very accurately remembering quite a few different perspectives on the Garden of Eden and explained them well.
He is accurately picking up on some details while omitting others.
@cosmicskeptic it’s nice to meet you love
@@genkimachinaAs do most Christian apologists
He's omitting a lot, like the prophecy regarding Jesus and the serpent ( Lucifer who possessed a serpent, that serpent of old ). Reading the whole Bible makes it painfully clear that Lucifer was the serpent, an angel disguised as light, since serpents weren't necessarily adversarial before the eating of the forbidden fruit. ✝️✝️✝️@@genkimachina
@@weedlol Yeah, there are a lot of bad takes out there. You should look at Dr. Michael Heiser. I think he is one of the best . You may not come to his conclusions but he knows the academic scholarship and languages.
Short answer: no.
Long answer.
No!
The snake was the good guy, reminding them they were gods, and the Old Testament gods were jealous creeps.
JESUS= the answer!!
Long answer: Depends on what you are after. Truth or peace.
I think the snake and Prometheus is the same person
Regardless of whether or not the Serpent was Jesus, why did God place the Serpent into his Garden if the Serpent was so cunning and mischievous?
@@BlizZzinski The story is symbolic. Serpent = Satan, the garden = the world as created initially, as it was meant to be.
Satan was in garden because he is God’s creation as well. The Bible tells us - God created the visible and the invisible world. The indivisible = spirits/angels. Everything that God created was good. But God made his creation free as well. Satan - or Lucifer because that’s his original name - decided to use his freedom and rebel against God.
His initial name was Lucifer - the Light Bearer. He was the most intelligent and the most beautiful of angels, the closest to God. Then, when God created people and asked Lucifer to serve us, he decided the task is below him. He opposed God. Hence his name - the Opposer = Satan.
The question is why he was free to do so, if so much evil ensued… :
God created everything for love. He wants His creation to accept and reciprocate His love. Since love is a choice, it wouldn’t be possible without freedom.
The serpent screwed up. He was made beautiful and had the invitation from God to love. But he was too full of himself to accept this gift. He said NO. And for some reasons that I don’t fully understand his NO is irrevocable. He had it all and lost it all forever.
That is why, and because he knows that God loves us so much that He decided to live with us and die for us, Satan hates and wants to destroy us. He wants us to share his plait.
He definitely is not our friend and - unfortunately he is much more powerful than us. But we have God on our side. And Satan does not stand the comparison with God. He lost already and knows it, which probably only ads to his resentment 🤷🏻♀️.
The bottom line is: God is good and all powerful. He is to be trusted and He is on our side.
God bless you! ☀️👋
Because he gave us choice.
@@poboy66choice makes no sense if god is omniscient
@@samuelcharles7642 One way to reconcile our freedom of choice and God's omniscience is to understand the sovereignty of God and the responsibility of man. In other words, God is in control of all things, including our choices, but we are still responsible for the choices we make.
@@poboy66 God is in control of our choices but we are still responsible for the choices we make? Okay got it! Makes complete total sense
religious people will watch the matrix and recognize that Morpheus is good but will look at the serpent and freak out because they’re told to
Hectic perspective. So are you Saying the snake is the Good guy here?
@@djonx437he's not just saying it but the gnostic gospels say it. They believe the serpent was Jesus. That Jesus was God in human form but not the god of the old testament. They believe the old testament god is the demiurge. A flawed creation that believes he is the one true god.
The matrix is a modern gnostic myth. It's quite obvious in the matrix that morpheus (the serpent) is the good guy. The creator of the matrix (the old testament god) is imprisoning them in a false world. Gnostics believe we are all fractured pieces of the real God. That we are all divine. And the demiurge (the old testament god) has trapped us in the material world so that we won't know our true nature. Jesus (the serpent) came from the true God to free us so that we would have the chance to remember who we really are and free ourselves from this material prison.
@@djonx437That's up to you. Do YOU perceive Morpheus if the Matrix as the "good" guy?
@@tulpas93 If the Snake is Morpheus who are the machines is my question
@@djonx437The machines are the angels and God I’m guessing
Why are Adam & Eve depicted in paintings with Belly Buttons?
My instinct says because they're made in God's image, but that begs the question...why does God have a belly button??
@@nadiasaurusrexbut do you interpret in gods image as literally a depiction of god or god’s idea of humans as in the possessive
Because there would be a lot of boring space without the button and no one wants to look at that while listening to a sermon, the torture!
Who cares?
Why aren't more of Picasso's paintings symmetrical?
Why are so many people crying over this? Alex doesnt even believe this is true, he's not even religious. It's called a discussion people.
I remember when I was trying to enter a philosophy class even though it was full, and was allowed to attend the first class meeting, and one of the students, was very upset because the professor asked his students to ponder this question,..."does life feed off of life?" At the end of the class's, this student approaches the professor, and was complaining to him about the question, and telling him how offended he was,...and so on. I couldn't believe what I was hearing.
Jesus was God in the Garden, the individual that appeared to Abraham, wrestled with Jacob, talked to Moses on Mount Sinai, the individual that Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel and them saw in visions, etc.
No one thought the serpent was satan until it was retroactively made so later. The character of satan likewise developed over time. Religion for breakfast has a good series on Gnosticism. “Gnosticism” refers to a collection of schools in early Christianity, which were widely popular. One school thought the snake was Jesus as a knowledge barer. According to them, he was sent by the Monad (true God) to undermine the work of the demiurge (god of creation/Old Testament).
@Persistence_run_444 They need to read Genesis again and pay attention, the snake actually tells the truth, God lies and on top of that God appears to imply there are other Gods, and that he's concerned humans will find the other tree as it would place them on equal ground to the Gods.
"...but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly d_e.”
Well, that didn't happen.
Then he says:
"“The man has now become like one of *us,* knowing good and e_il. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God b_nished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a fl_ming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life."
Interesting...
@@rxvyy I thought it was in the gospel of truth.
@@rxvyyit's in the Testimony of Truth, which is a gnostic text. Did you even watch the video?
No
I look forward to your video talking about muhammad.
He’s done many.
Was harry actually Voldemort?
Well... in a way he was, as he literally was his horcrux, just like Nagini (his snake) 🤯
@@lolko146 it’s funny I was just making a joke, but I knew I would get a literal answer. Which kind of proves my overall point it’s all the same.
Well said 😂
Alot of connections in Harry Potter with the Bible and also Hermetic philosophy
The same commenters who mock Alex would have been the same people who mocked Jesus for speaking the truth.
Except that Alex is actually wrong, though. For instance, he says the serpent is never identified by the text, when it literally does:
"So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." (Revelation 12:9)
"He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years." (Revelation 20:2)
@@HIMMBelljuvo You're forgetting both Satan and the Devil are synonymous for 'adversary' in the original Greek translation.
So your examples only point to the serpent being a deceiver adversarial to God who could still be Jesus.
@@HIMMBelljuvoyou’re also conflating the dragon with Satan, when it was almost certainly referring to leviathan, considering it refers to it with the same language as the Hebrew Bible does leviathan, meanwhile the serpent is never again mentioned outside of genesis
@rxvyy I’m open to being wrong, but I’m almost certain that the language used in the Hebrew bible to talk about leviathan is identical to the language used in either the epic of Gilgamesh or the enuma elish, maybe both, I can’t remember exactly, but I am confident that the scholarly opinion is that leviathan is based in Mesopotamian myth, as is basically all of the primeval history in genesis
@rxvyy I’m not sure what you’re implying here. Our earliest complete Hebrew manuscripts come from the masoritic texts, but they more or less match the Greek septuagint and we have fragments from the Dead Sea scrolls that more or less match as well. Are you saying that the Masoretes were using 2000 year old Babylonian and Akkadian texts to get their specific wording from? That doesn’t even make sense. I also don’t understand the mention of Moses, considering he likely didn’t exist, at least not as he’s portrayed, and almost certainly didn’t write the Pentateuch.
I’m just saying, biblical stories line up very well with ancient Mesopotamian stories, sometimes word for word, and we already know that the judean elite spent quite a bit of time in Babylon, so that’s almost certainly where they get their stories from. Unless you’re suggesting that the ancient Babylonians got their myths from the ancient Egyptians? I don’t know enough about the Egyptians to say for certain, but that definitely doesn’t sound accurate to me, especially considering we have texts over 4000 years old from Mesopotamia that tell the same stories
The moment you say Jesus was created in the description of the serpent having been made is all that’s need to discern how weak the foundation is of this perspective.
Gnostic "gospels" are truly interesting.
However, they are not what the general public have been led to believe they are.
Anciently,, a couple branches of what some refer to as the gnostic tradition had an initiation process that went beyond the usual baptism and confirmation process. Part of the initiation (to become a leader/elder) included writing a well-thought-out story/treatise that (for the sake of accessibility to a modern crowd) was basically similar to what we might call "fan fiction."
So, while several of the "gnostic" texts are titled "the gospel of . . ."
they aren't Gospels - or actual witnesses of the "Good News" per the traditional Christian understanding.
What modern Christians aren't taught is that first 3 centuries were a shit show of hundreds of different sects and interpretations of which some won and most lost. What is even more interesting is that the entire place where Bible takes place isn't even under Christian control anymore and entire church tradition (Syrian church of the east) was lost. But they don't teach this in seminars.
Job was written before Genesis (445 years before) and mentions Satan, so the first statement that the notion of Satan didn't exist at the time Genesis is written is incorrect. Also the link to the serpent being the devil is mentioned both in the old testament by induction when cross referencing attributes of satan with those of the devil, and in the Gospels, where in Matthew and the Book of Revelations it's explicitly said the serpent is the devil. So it's not a modern notion that the serpent is the devil. I find it hard to believe in one of Alex's speeches when he said he was genuinely trying to find God, even citing Matthew 7:7-8. And I'm not saying that based on the overall subject of this video, I'm saying that based on his errors in basic theology taken from this video plus the content of the speech I mentioned. It's hard to believe someone is genuinely trying to find God when at the same time not reading what is said to be His Word. And I'm deducing he has not read it in it's entirety and maybe with a genuine intention, again, based on his errors, which are very very basic for anyone who is mildly interested in studying the bible. And this statement is valid for anyone whether they recurringly attend a church or not.
Umm you’re wrong about Satan in Job. Satan just meant adversary. If you actually read the Bible, you would know that “Satan” in that story is just a member of God’s divine council.
@@samuelcharles7642 The meaning of the word satan or ha-satan is pretty basic knowledge in the Bible, of whom do you think was he adversary? Is by any chance satan considered a friend of God anywhere by anyone? Plus, by his own statement where he says he was wandering the earth and the verse that says "the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them" demonstrating a distinction between the two, is easy to infer he is not " just a member of God’s divine council". Also in my comment I am pretty clear by saying that by other descriptions of satan's/devil's attributes throughout the whole bible is easy to deduce when the devil is being mentioned. Nice try saying I didn't read the bible. You're comment really shows who hasn't.
Satan was just a position that could have been held by a number of beings in the divine council and was not a specific being and actually worked with god instead of against. Satan here was an adversary against job not god but the crazy thing about the bible is that a dozen people can read it and every one of them come out with a different interpretation 9:32
@@lennoxnderitu3659 That's why you cross reference things in a scholarly way, so not everyone has their own interpretation. That's what I said in my first comment, cross referencing. I'm really puzzled where you're getting this "adversary one that is also a member of divine council" thing, that's so obviously anti biblical, there's many books that show the structure and ways of divine working like, Ezekiel, Hebrews, Revelations and other more spiritual books, where did you get this idea that THE adversary is working in accordance with God? With permission? Yes. In accordance? Wouldn't make sense. But yes I agree with you that this could be held by a number of beings, one third of the beings in heaven would be the number you're looking for, but there was THE one that started the rebellion and this one is the embodiment of the absence of God in every possible way. Just because many can have a deceiving nature and be evil doesn't mean there's not the one entity who has started it all
@@matheus0maciel In Job, Satan is operating under God’s direct permission and authority, not as some independent or rebellious force.
Now, about that wandering the earth bit-you’re right, it does echo how the Devil is described later in the Bible, like in 1 Peter 5:8. But here’s the thing: Satan in Job is still part of the divine council, even if he’s distinct from ‘the sons of God.’ He’s there, having a conversation with God, which doesn’t scream ‘rebellious enemy’ to me. It’s more about testing Job’s faith within boundaries set by God, not leading some cosmic rebellion.
You mentioned the distinction between Satan and the sons of God as proof that he’s not just another member of the divine council. Sure, there’s a distinction, but that doesn’t mean Satan in Job is equivalent to the Devil in later scripture. It just shows that he plays a specific role in this context-one that’s about challenging Job, not waging war against God
Yeah, the attributes of Satan develop throughout the Bible, and by the time we get to the New Testament, we’ve got a full-on Devil. But in Job, Satan’s role is more about being a tester, not the embodiment of evil. The character of Satan in Job could be seen as an early stage in the concept that later evolves into what we know as the Devil.
The text doesn’t identify the serpent as the devil? It absolutely does. Any real student of the text knows it cross references internally. “That old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan”.
Gen 3:1 Now THE SERPENT was more subtil than any beast of the field …
Cross reference to his defeat.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, THAT OLD SERPENT, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, THAT OLD SERPENT, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Perfectly clear. One cannot isolate scriptures. We cross reference them as instructed.
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; HERE A LITTLE, AND THERE A LITTLE:
Exactly. Thank you.
This guy with his rhetoric in this excerpt is doing exactly what the serpent does in Genesis. Poor guy he has stepped onto a very risky territory.
And I don’t think he is looking for truth. From what I understand he’s been interested in religion for some time now. He is intelligent enough to have arrived at the truth if he was genuinely looking for it. Sad.
That is mentioned in Revelation but not Genesis (the first quote doesn't mention the devil). But yeah dude is reaching.
Yeah but Revelation was written in 90 AD or so. The notion of the Devil or Satan comes from Zoroastrian influences on the Bible during the Babylonian Captivity
"The text doesn’t identify the serpent as the devil? It sure does. Twice!
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? "
That does NOT Identify the serpent as the Devil, and it is your only reference actually being from Genesis.
"Clear as day."
Only if you use your obvious confirmation bias. You want to believe that the Bible is perfect, infallible, and not the lease bit confusing. That's just silly. If it was all those things, there would BE no arguments about it.
The authors of Genesis and the religion they followed didn't believe in Jesus, in fact they rejected him as their messiah much later on. The texts that mention Jesus were written thousands of years after Genesis, so when Genesis was written, no one had heard of Jesus.
No they were not. Genesis was written in greek first around 300bc. There is no evidence of judaism whatsoever before this time. You have no idea yet you think you know the answer😂😂😂
@stratblaster The Song of Moses (Deuteronomy 32:1-43) and the Song of Deborah (Judges 5) were written in Archaic Biblical Hebrew, also called Old Hebrew or Paleo-Hebrew (10th-6th centuries BCE, corresponding to the Monarchic Period until the Babylonian Exile).
@@stratblasterfrom what I understand, scholars generally believe that Genesis was completed no later than 300 BCE, but it’s widely agreed that it was originally composed in Hebrew. Evidence of belief in Yahweh as the one true God dates back to the 12th century BCE though, which I would personally say constitutes “evidence of Judaism”
@@chesscake2641no proof of all that. What i see is that whole thing is pretty recent.
Was Kendrick actually Drake?
Was Optimus actually Megatron?
Was Fortnite actually Pubg?
Was Buzz actually Woody?
Was Batman actually the Joker?
@@ErinMagner82 That one's a good comic.
@@ErinMagner82There’s a comic where Batman is actually the joker.
The number of triggered christians in the comments is hilarious.
Alex is having a thought experiment here. Relax. He's demonstrating a disagreement with the common biblical traditions by the Gnostics, what we refer to as a certain subset of early christians.
A whole lot of Christians in the comment section are mad that a non-christian is analyzing all the different books and interpretations of the JudeoChristian tradition 😮
Thats simply not how it works silly!
You are supposed to have an official representative explain it to you so that you keep on giving donations.
If you knew what you were saying you'd know "judeo Christian" is completely contradictory.
@@SoulfulSolid6 wrong, from a non-christian standpoint, they are all part of the same group of religions
@@SoulfulSolid6"Judeo-Christian mythology" is basically just the Old Testament. It's not that complex.
@@DaSquyd I disagree. There are superficial similarities between Christians and Jews and the Christian tradition depends on the Jewish prophecies (from a New Testament perspective at least), but that's about where the similarities end. You can only really experience a tradition, if you fully focus in on it and suck it up, disconnected from any presuppositions you might have had in the beginning. Doing this will reveal that the lifestyle and world views and general outlook on things and character traits differ quite drastically, when you compare Jews and Christians. They have entirely different holidays, eat different food, speak a different language and - most importantly from a theologian perspective - have an entirely different connection to and understanding of the relationship with god. I don't want to get into the details because I don't have the time to phrase it all out and would probably miss a lot of things, but I invite everyone from either side to dive deeper into the other faith and look what they can find for themselves.
Also, in opposition to your particular statement: Jewish Mythology isn't just "the old testament". There's the Talmud, there's the Kabbala, there's written and unwritten folk tales that went on accumulating way after the second temple period.
As a side note, I am neither Christian nor Jewish. I grew up in a Lutheran household and know my bible quite well. I graduated from school with A levels in protestant religious studies and I am also interested in anthropological studies in general and therefore had a lot of fun with my philosophy minor in uni :)
The part that always bothered me as a child was that they would need to have knowledge in order to know that they should listen to God, rather than the serpent in the first place, making the punishment unfair and illogical. They would have believed whatever the last instruction was because they wouldn't have known any better. The mere fact that they had conflicting instructions made the fall inevitable. They should probably have eaten from the fruit of eternal life first, but they didn't even know they were naked lol
I always understood it as they did eat from the tree of life already, but that it's not a one time thing. To live forever they had to keep eating from it. That's why when they became like god he made them leave the garden and no longer have access to the tree of life. That way he still has power over humans. I may be wrong but that's how I've always interpreted the story.
That's actually an interesting view. Ty for sharing ;)
The fruit is self consciousness, animals don't care they are naked because they aren't truly conscious in a way man is. Once they ate the fruit they separated themselves from rest of creation and animal kingdom. Animal will die but is not aware of it, it lives in current moments. Man is aware of death and can think about it, thus whole dying concept.
@@AnthonySmith-x5z well it was called "knowledge of good and evil" so I took it to mean right and wrong. Either way, their brains didn't seem sophisticated enough to think "Maybe the snake is lying to me." or "I should obey God, because that's the right thing to do." The whole setup almost looks like God wanted them to eat it the whole time, considering how easy it would have been for him to not leave evil serpents around mentally handicapped kids."
@@AbaMiguel being omnipotent and all knowing he knew what would happen.
The serpent is reflected as the devil throughout the Bible. Beginning to end. Jesus said, "...I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on SERPENTS and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you" (Luke 10:19). How does Jesus give power to trample upon Himself?
This guy clearly knows something about gnostic texts. But he doesn’t know much about the Bible.
"The serpent is reflected as the devil throughout the Bible. "
EXCEPT in the Garden story. Hmm.... The garden story has never made sense, in that why would God not want Man to understand the difference between good and evil?
Serpeants are symbolically of the earth like the roots of a tree, they have an association with the ground with emerging from the earth. They represent the body in this same way, the body is associated with the earth. I’m Christian theology the body has a sinful association because sexual arrousal is proof that the body has a will of its own that the soul cannot command. Christ is not associated with the body in the way a serpent is, in fact He represents quite the opposite, the completion of gods covenant which allows those who believe in Him to transcend the body and attain eternal life of the soul.
The serpent is only referred to as the devil in the New Testament. Not the Old Testament. There's no where in the old testament that says the serpent was the devil. Nd Alex is not saying that Jesus was the serpent. He's saying that there is an apocryphal gospel that says that the Serpent was Jesus
@@SkinnyGreekGod right but so what? That parable is some confused outlier. And the Bible might not say explicitly that the serpent is the devil but the serpent is still symbolically closer to what the devil represents than to what Christ represents. Conflating Christ with the serpent makes no philosophical sense, this guy is just trying to be provocative.
How dare those Gnostics actually make sense!?!
They dont. Because as in this discussion. They ignore the following verses.
When God issues the punishments to the serpent, then Eve, then Adam. He states that the seed of the woman will bruise the head of the serpent.
We know Christ is the seed of the woman foretold. And christ came to save us from sin and will eventually destroy satan forever on his second coming. Now he cant very well bruise his own head.
Satan is the serpent.
@@joelmontgomery4837 That's one interpretation. I've also heard it meant offspring of Eve. I was actually saying in a literal sense G-d says they'll "die", but they lived 900 years and had many children. They simply developed consciousness, and started the fallen era.
Death means separation from God. There is a reason Jesus says Lazarus is asleep in John 11.
It does raise the question as to why god didn’t want humanity to have the knowledge of good and evil
So we wouldn’t have to live in duality, forced to choose between the two. We can see how that turned out.
The DMT psychonauts ( Gotiemoko) say while they were in the other realm, they knew everything. EVERYTHING. They knew why we were here, but when they came back, the knowledge had gone. For whatever reason we're not supposed to know.
The early fathers of the church had many interpretations. The most prevalent is that God always intended for humans to know both good and evil and know from the tree of life.
But, 1. that would be when they were spiritually and mentally mature enough, so they would know and choose wisely
And 2. It had also the purpose of trust and redemption. If Adam and Eve ate that fruit despite the command but then owned their fault, they would acknowledge and take accountability for it , the holy fathers say that they would be redeemed and God would have forgiven them.
The actual first sin wasn't that they disobeyed but that they never took accountability for their actions and never redeemed themselves. Instead they blamed each other and the snake . They lied.
And that tells you that God was right all along, because lying showed they weren't actually mature enough to be given knowledge beyond their understanding.
It's like giving teenagers a nuke - analogy but way worse because this would affect their ontology.
He had given them nothing but good. Surrounded them in good. All of creation for them was good. (Evil by definition is lack of good which inherently means there's a gap between them and Him) He did not want evil for them. He didn't want them to experience (know) what pain and consequences comes from evil (gap between them and Him). But He is not forceful and allowed it. The fact he put the tree there means he allows choice, even though our choice to create a gap grieves Him.
He wanted them to know good and evil but he wanted relationship with us and share that knowledge with us in the garden. But we wanted it now.
To accuse Jesus of doing the work of the devil? A similar situation is answered in the book of Matthew.
"24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons.”
25 Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand.
26 And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?
27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they will be your judges.
28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
29 Or how can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.
30 Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters."
- Matthew 12:24-30 (ESV)
Interesting that someone bringing up a theory proposed in a gnostic gospel is somehow a blasphemer. He is sharing what some early Christians thought.
Let’s do a thought experiment- if you aren’t too frightened of exploring the mind God gave you.
Imagine that the all the major Christian churches would have taught for centuries that Jesus was indeed the serpent in the garden, and that’s why:
1. Moses lifted the serpent up in the wilderness for people to look upon and be saved.
2. Jesus had to be lowered to the earth (as the serpent was cursed by God after the fall) in order to pay for the disobedience of man.
3. Moses and Aaron turned their staff into a serpent…and Jesus/God is our rod and our staff as stated in Psalms.
4. Jesus said to be as wise as serpents, etc…
Jesus made us aware (conscious) that the flesh has an expiration date. But we can shed the flesh (like a snake) and be born again through faith.
This would also answer the age old question of why God would allow the most dangerous being in the universe (Satan) that pulled a third of angelic beings from heaven, anywhere near his prized creation that didn’t even know the difference between right and wrong.. unleashing hell on earth.
How many would be calling this blasphemy? How many of you would have said - No- this isn’t what the Bible is teaching?
Many of you would be calling it the truth and call people that don’t see the Genesis story “your” way fools and heretics.
How much of what you learned was based on your teachers’ interpretation?
I’d venture to say much of it.
That’s why we have so many branches of Christianity, yet we are reading the same words.
We need to read the scriptures through the Spirit, not through the lenses of our flawed, deceased teachers.
I’m not telling you what to believe. I’m asking you to ask yourself why you believe what you believe.
Regardless, it doesn’t change my relationship with Jesus. We don’t have the perspective or tools to understand what is going on in the heavenly realms. We are looking at the universe from a key hole. The Bible tells us that all throughout the scripture.
Best we be humble.
God bless. ☀️
in what way is the serpent doing the work of the devil?
After I read Anne Rice's take on Jesus meeting himself as the temptor in the 40 days wilderness account, I can see this dynamic play out in most biblical stories.
Just here for the Christians loosing their minds in the comments.
*Losing = no longer having hold of
*Loosing = releasing, letting go of, opposite of tightening
*Losing.
„Loosing“ 😂 if you wanna make fun of Christians pls at least do it right
@@freneticfanaticPraise ✋ ⭐️ 🤚 the God of Grammar!
This logic makes Jesus double minded or double hearted either way, it’s not true. Any kingdom divided against itself will not stand, the kingdom of heaven has no end, Jesus said he and the father are one, this is stupid.
It seems like this guy is trying to start controversy for clout or he's just totally confused
No, I've heard of this idea before. Look up TIKHistory's videos on gnosticism.
Really? So YOU think that YOU possess the one and only true understanding of Creation?
He's not confused. He's an oxford graduate with a degree in theology. He's not saying anything controversial. He's educating you on the other interpretations of the snake of Eden in christian history.
@@toxichammertoe8696 agreed.
@@SkinnyGreekGod Gnosticism isn’t Christianity.
Absolutely Nonsense😅😅
Interesting that someone bringing up a theory proposed in a gnostic gospel is somehow a blasphemer. He is sharing what some early Christians thought.
Let’s do a thought experiment- if you aren’t too frightened of exploring the mind God gave you.
Imagine that the all the major Christian churches would have taught for centuries that Jesus was indeed the serpent in the garden, and that’s why:
1. Moses lifted the serpent up in the wilderness for people to look upon and be saved.
2. Jesus had to be lowered to the earth (as the serpent was cursed by God after the fall) in order to pay for the disobedience of man.
3. Moses and Aaron turned their staff into a serpent…and Jesus/God is our rod and our staff as stated in Psalms.
4. Jesus said to be as wise as serpents, etc…
Jesus made us aware (conscious) that the flesh has an expiration date. But we can shed the flesh (like a snake) and be born again through faith.
This would also answer the age old question of why God would allow the most dangerous being in the universe (Satan) that pulled a third of angelic beings from heaven, anywhere near his prized creation that didn’t even know the difference between right and wrong.. unleashing hell on earth.
How many would be calling this blasphemy? How many of you would have said - No- this isn’t what the Bible is teaching?
Many of you would be calling it the truth and call people that don’t see the Genesis story “your” way fools and heretics.
How much of what you learned was based on your teachers’ interpretation?
I’d venture to say much of it.
That’s why we have so many branches of Christianity, yet we are reading the same words.
We need to read the scriptures through the Spirit, not through the lenses of our flawed, deceased teachers.
I’m not telling you what to believe. I’m asking you to ask yourself why you believe what you believe.
Regardless, it doesn’t change my relationship with Jesus. We don’t have the perspective or tools to understand what is going on in the heavenly realms. We are looking at the universe from a key hole. The Bible tells us that all throughout the scripture.
Best we be humble.
God bless. ☀️
Religion is dream logic. If you don't recognize that, it's all nonsense.
Also The Matrix is the Gnostic religion retold as science fiction.
May the lord have mercy on the blasphemers
Interesting that someone bringing up a theory proposed in a gnostic gospel is somehow a blasphemer. He is sharing what some early Christians thought.
Let’s do a thought experiment- if you aren’t too frightened of exploring the mind God gave you.
Imagine that the all the major Christian churches would have taught for centuries that Jesus was indeed the serpent in the garden, and that’s why:
1. Moses lifted the serpent up in the wilderness for people to look upon and be saved.
2. Jesus had to be lowered to the earth (as the serpent was cursed by God after the fall) in order to pay for the disobedience of man.
3. Moses and Aaron turned their staff into a serpent…and Jesus/God is our rod and our staff as stated in Psalms.
4. Jesus said to be as wise as serpents, etc…
Jesus made us aware (conscious) that the flesh has an expiration date. But we can shed the flesh (like a snake) and be born again through faith.
This would also answer the age old question of why God would allow the most dangerous being in the universe (Satan) that pulled a third of angelic beings from heaven, anywhere near his prized creation that didn’t even know the difference between right and wrong.. unleashing hell on earth.
How many would be calling this blasphemy? How many of you would have said - No- this isn’t what the Bible is teaching?
Many of you would be calling it the truth and call people that don’t see the Genesis story “your” way fools and heretics.
How much of what you learned was based on your teachers’ interpretation?
I’d venture to say much of it.
That’s why we have so many branches of Christianity, yet we are reading the same words.
We need to read the scriptures through the Spirit, not through the lenses of our flawed, deceased teachers.
I’m not telling you what to believe. I’m asking you to ask yourself why you believe what you believe.
Regardless, it doesn’t change my relationship with Jesus. We don’t have the perspective or tools to understand what is going on in the heavenly realms. We are looking at the universe from a key hole. The Bible tells us that all throughout the scripture.
Best we be humble.
God bless. ☀️
@@jaywon06 good point. I did break one of the 4 agreements. Thanks for pointing that out.
Appreciate you!
Have a great day!
Amen, brother.
@@KingofMasks76 the reason why this all falls flat on its face is because its been common in false story telling and parables for actual nonbelievers in Christ to say there are similarities between him and the devil. its to blur the lines and to make people think of them as brothers, but they are far from it. Christ is of God, the trinity exists not as an implication of polytheism, but an attempt to explain God's descriptive identity, but God is always mentioned as nearly incomprehensible to define in the bible because of his omni-like being and personhood.
The people came to Moses and said, "We sinned when we spoke against the LORD and against you. Pray that the LORD will take the snakes away from us." So Moses prayed for the people. The LORD said to Moses, "Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live." Numbers 21:7
Snakes are evidently representative with death.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life". from
the words even so must be lifted up. the serpents in the wilderness are referred to by the israelites, jews, that the serpents were the egyptians, or basically the enslaver of the jews in the old testament.
these concepts this video is embracing is from egyption backgrounds, which is very ironic, ofcourse they would depict christ as a snake, because they were a snake themselves in the old testament.
Christ read the septuagint as his source of biblical learning in his life, and in the septuagint it has origins of landing in egypt due to a pharaoh who was not natively egyptian, but greek, asked for the torah to be in his library but could not speak nor read hebrew. it was landed from several jewish leaders from the original large tribes. the reason i bring this up, is because Christ did not listen to what an Egyptian had to say about Moses, but what the Israelites did. So why would I listen to what an Egyptian has to say, when it should be the Israelites themselves that walked among Christ?
Christ explicitly says there is only one God, he is the only God, and he is God in human flesh to live humbly and walk among us.
It was thru God's humiliation that we could for once understand God's perspective for the purpose of empathy or at least sympathy.
The devil satan is known as the adversary. the adversary is what gives our life an obstacle, a tool for the purpose of our larger meaningful plot and direction.
Satan wasn't created out of purpose, but rather we were created because of Satan, we were a message to Satan. Satan was created to server God, but he is chaos, and chaos is unpredictable, hes the epitome of evil, he isnt the ability of hatred, but the evil that is strung with apathy, the discord.
again, the snakes in numbers represent sin, and the bronze staff of a fake snake was the cure to their venomous poisoned brethren, because they didnt listen to moses, the israelites sinned, they didnt listen to God, so they had to crucify christ for our sins.
As death(Snakes)(Sin) is put on the Cross, so too must Christ.
The gnostic gospel of the testimony of truth is ignored by their own egyptian priests in early AD because they knew it wasnt of Jewish origin, its of egyptian background trying to mix absurd egyptian propaganda because they didnt want Egypt to look back in Numbers.
Yeah because He made them in his image.
ABSOLUTELY NOT HIS NAME IS LUCIFER AND HE IS NOT JESUS. HE'S THE SAME AS THE DRAGON. STOP TRYING TO CONFUSE SCRIPTURES... GOD DOESN'T TEMP INTO EVIL SATAN DOES
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Uh oh. lol. Daddy’s mad.
🙏 AMEN
and what is evil about knowledge?
@sub-harmonik nothing at all Unless it's teaching false doctrines not like I could share this with anyone because I'd be sharing what you wanna call knowledge. I'm gonna sit with false witness doctrines
Did the unblemished lamb lure man to the original sin? Logically impossible.
An unblemished lamb might lead to some kind of temptation.
Unless you dont understand or even comprehend God??
Claiming you do is the real blasphemy!
Interesting that someone bringing up a theory proposed in a gnostic gospel is somehow a blasphemer. He is sharing what some early Christians thought.
Let’s do a thought experiment- if you aren’t too frightened of exploring the mind God gave you.
Imagine that the all the major Christian churches would have taught for centuries that Jesus was indeed the serpent in the garden, and that’s why:
1. Moses lifted the serpent up in the wilderness for people to look upon and be saved.
2. Jesus had to be lowered to the earth (as the serpent was cursed by God after the fall) in order to pay for the disobedience of man.
3. Moses and Aaron turned their staff into a serpent…and Jesus/God is our rod and our staff as stated in Psalms.
4. Jesus said to be as wise as serpents, etc…
Jesus made us aware (conscious) that the flesh has an expiration date. But we can shed the flesh (like a snake) and be born again through faith.
This would also answer the age old question of why God would allow the most dangerous being in the universe (Satan) that pulled a third of angelic beings from heaven, anywhere near his prized creation that didn’t even know the difference between right and wrong.. unleashing hell on earth.
How many would be calling this blasphemy? How many of you would have said - No- this isn’t what the Bible is teaching?
Many of you would be calling it the truth and call people that don’t see the Genesis story “your” way fools and heretics.
How much of what you learned was based on your teachers’ interpretation?
I’d venture to say much of it.
That’s why we have so many branches of Christianity, yet we are reading the same words.
We need to read the scriptures through the Spirit, not through the lenses of our flawed, deceased teachers.
I’m not telling you what to believe. I’m asking you to ask yourself why you believe what you believe.
Regardless, it doesn’t change my relationship with Jesus. We don’t have the perspective or tools to understand what is going on in the heavenly realms. We are looking at the universe from a key hole. The Bible tells us that all throughout the scripture.
Best we be humble.
God bless. ☀️
@@KingofMasks76 I would agree that the several denominations has led a tailored approach, according to the religious leader within that church, and folks tend to read their Bible with a highlighter so they can highlight what they agree with and ignore the rest. That being said, it was not the symbol of the snake which people accuse of being blasphemy but rather the intent of the serpent. The serpent lied, suggested God was trying to prevent them from experiencing something special in order to tempt them to eat the apple. This is similar to when Jesus was tempted in the wilderness by Satan. Specifically, he tempted Christ with something which ultimately related to pride (control over the earth). In comparison, Christ did not tempt his followers but freely covered salvation to those who would follow. Additionally, your use of snake metaphors is incorrect because he actually used the serpent (the staff with the serpent, so on) as an act of faith. He held up the snake for the followers to look at the staff and their faith would heal them.
People are not attacking the picture of a serpent rather seeing similarities between the serpent tempting Adam and Eve with power beyond God’s will with no known reason beyond simply watching them fall. This being reinforced when both the serpent and Adam and Eve being punished after the fact. As far as myself, I have never had formal teaching on the Bible but I have simply read it, studied it etc.
God bless!
@@TrollWilkesBooth very articulate…I tend to agree with this/your point of view, but I wanted to throw up a bit of a
steel man for this gnostic point of view to see how it would fair.
Thanks! Have a great day.
All the religious people getting triggered in the comments 😂😂
I am all for it 😂
this really triggered the american christians holy shit
Well what he is saying is absurd both biblically and historically. All the gnostic gospels were known to be late lies long before the canon was developed.
All Christians lil bro
@@jedition5618 Gnostics are no more Christian than Muslims. BTW quite a bit of Gnosticism ended up in the Quran.
The answer is no. We've had over 2,000 years of Christian theologians debating Christianity, this is old news, literally.
I am not comfortable with how AOC constantly says gospel when he is talking about the lost books of the Bible, a.k.a. the gnostic gospels, etc. The word gospel simply means good news, of course. But the New Testament and believers use the word to mean the four gospels in the New Testament or the story of how Jesus can save your soul, that's the true good news.
The lost gnostic gospels are the rejects that the Bible authors and early scholars refused. Sometimes it's ridiculous how obvious it is, like when Pontius Pilate has a book. Are we supposed to believe Pontius Pilate has anything nice to say about Jesus? I guess those lost books are written in the same spirit as the Gnostic believers today. They seem to not want to believe in the Bible so much that they're willing to believe these different stories, even call them different gospels. Remember what the New Testament says about this.
Galatians 1:6-10 (ESV)
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel--
7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
10 For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.
They are gospels. Apocryphal gospels.
This sounds so familiar...where have I heard this before....wait...here it is....
Mark 3: 22. And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, "He is possessed by Beelzebul! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons." 23. So Jesus called them over to him and began to speak to them in parables: "How can Satan drive out Satan? 24. If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. 27. In fact, no one can enter a strong man's house without first tying him up. Then he can plunder the strong man's house. 28. Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, 29. but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin." - NIV
Yes but harry potter 1 chapter 1 says very clearly: "he is the boy who lived"
Think about that before going to bed tonight.
Interesting that someone bringing up a theory proposed in a gnostic gospel is somehow a blasphemer. He is sharing what some early Christians thought.
Let’s do a thought experiment- if you aren’t too frightened of exploring the mind God gave you.
Imagine that the all the major Christian churches would have taught for centuries that Jesus was indeed the serpent in the garden, and that’s why:
1. Moses lifted the serpent up in the wilderness for people to look upon and be saved.
2. Jesus had to be lowered to the earth (as the serpent was cursed by God after the fall) in order to pay for the disobedience of man.
3. Moses and Aaron turned their staff into a serpent…and Jesus/God is our rod and our staff as stated in Psalms.
4. Jesus said to be as wise as serpents, etc…
Jesus made us aware (conscious) that the flesh has an expiration date. But we can shed the flesh (like a snake) and be born again through faith.
This would also answer the age old question of why God would allow the most dangerous being in the universe (Satan) that pulled a third of angelic beings from heaven, anywhere near his prized creation that didn’t even know the difference between right and wrong.. unleashing hell on earth.
How many would be calling this blasphemy? How many of you would have said - No- this isn’t what the Bible is teaching?
Many of you would be calling it the truth and call people that don’t see the Genesis story “your” way fools and heretics.
How much of what you learned was based on your teachers’ interpretation?
I’d venture to say much of it.
That’s why we have so many branches of Christianity, yet we are reading the same words.
We need to read the scriptures through the Spirit, not through the lenses of our flawed, deceased teachers.
I’m not telling you what to believe. I’m asking you to ask yourself why you believe what you believe.
Regardless, it doesn’t change my relationship with Jesus. We don’t have the perspective or tools to understand what is going on in the heavenly realms. We are looking at the universe from a key hole. The Bible tells us that all throughout the scripture.
Best we be humble.
God bless. ☀️
@@KingofMasks76Thank you for taking the time to post, I really hope it triggers helps some readers
Humans are really an amazing species. We can create our own stories, believe them with passion and then analytically study them to the point where we have arguments and wars over them.
WE are the serpent. The serpent narrative is a discussion we had with ourselves.
Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden because they rebelled, not because God was jealous and selfish and didn't want his creation to equal or rival him. They chose pride and greed (sin) and thus death entered the world. It's a representation of a fallen world. God had nothing to fear or be jealous of from his own creation. He created it and them, there is no equality except for the love that he showed them.
Except that's literally not what happens.
Also, this explanation provokes some other questions, like: "How could Adam and Eve choose the path of sin, if they don't know what a sin is, since they haven't eaten from the tree of Good and Evil and can't differentiate between good and evil/sin?", and also "Why does God say, that Adam and Eve are now 'like him', and should be banned from Eden to prevent them becoming immortal, instead of saying that they went against him, and that's the reason why they should be exiled?"
I had a very interesting debate about how the imperfection of sin came to exist in God’s perfect universe. The person I was interacting with refused to acknowledge that god created Adam and Eve flawed, only willing to declare that they were created perfect. I pointed out that if they were perfect in mind, body, and soul, that this would imply their logic and reasoning was also perfect, according to this person. Given this, I argued that Eve’s free will was also perfect and that her decision to disobey god, by eating the fruit, was not only the correct decision but the literal perfect decision.
This brought up an interesting thought behind what sin is and why God would so willingly punish people for rejecting him. God is angry that given perfect information, knowledge, and reasoning, his perfect creation came to the logical conclusion that god was not worthy of obedience and fealty. I find that concept to be extremely amusing.
The hypocrisy and absolute lack of self awareness of Christians to dismiss the Gnostic Gospels because they were written "after the canonical Gospels" but try to force the connection with the Serpent and Satan (who is apparently also Lucifer) by quoting Scripture that was written long after Genesis is insane.
Serpents are symbolic of the body because of their proximity to the earth, the serpent is associated with the tree of the knowledge of good and evil because the serpent is like the roots of the tree something of the earth. This is an allegory about being embodied hence knowledge give Adam and Eve shame because it makes them aware of their embodied nature and from thence they become mortal and capable of sin. Christ is not the serpent Christ is Eden, Christ represents what Eden represents, the immortality of the soul/mind, if we see Him in this at all.
Associating Christ with the Demiurge is just plain stupidity. Gnosticism believes in the Miltonian conception of Satan, the promethian figure who bring “liberty” from the laws of God, the Gnostics worship transgression against Yahweh. This is a bastardization of Christ. Christ is the completion of God’s covenant with man, he represents a return to Eden in this sense and a corrective to the Fall. Saying Christ is the serpent is like saying Christ is a rebellion against God’s covenant not its completion.
Gnosticism is heavily influenced by the polytheistic Greeks. If you actually study it, it was a means of converting the "nonbelievers" and "skeptics" (aka any Gentile) into the various sects of Gnosticism, and there are many depending how they crafted the story of Genesis, as their method of converting the ancient world to their definition of Christ.
It does not at all debunk Judeo-Christian teachings from back then or today, nor should it be taken as Gospel or prolific -- it is merely a filling in the gaps with backstory or alterations to the Old Covenant.
People take it for granted that we live in a world with a printing press and the WWW and have the expectation that everything that was written thousands of years ago would have the same reliable consistency they would get if they walked into any church anywhere the world over and open up the Bible to begin reading. Not only are all these ancient texts hand copied but they are also spread out over a wide enough geographic area that you'd get variations in the local practice of the religion, especially early Christianity but even the Hebrew Bible. Because Genesis is based on much older stories that come from Sumeria and also show up in Greece as the myth of Prometheus, there was more of a diversity in early Christian beliefs than a lot of people might realize. It wasn't until papal authority was established and heresy's were declared that the canonical theology was established or even that Jesus was declared God. From there the central authority was able to establish the reliable consistentcy that might be familiar today. And even that has changed with the rise of Protestant and liberal churches.
Everyone wasting their breath because an ancient scripture might contradict their faith might want to examine if their faith is as secure as they believe it to be. It's just a small detail and what other people believe won't affect you anyways.
This is a throwaway interview. Just listen to his other stuff.
“that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world-he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.”
(Revelation 12:9 ESV)
Problem is, that's an added book from the new testament. The book of Genesis and the old testament stands alone. The council of Nicea decided what books to keep and that's a whole crap shoot. We have been deceived.
@@ThatWeirdLady2519 the New Testament was put together by the council of Nicea where they studied and researched which gospels were canon and which were heretical. Like the Gnostic crap this man is spewing.
@@Jpaxart Right, because the council of Nicea was a godly council. Oh, Please.
Council of Nicea given credit for assembling texts...may not be so. Bible texts very early eye witness accounts. This gnostic gospel way after. Research.
@@cathyscott5548 right. Research. Look into the council of Nicea.
I wasn't referring to the gnostic gospel anyway. I was talking about Revelations and the Old Testament.
Psychoanalytic interpretation: when we are born we live in the garden of eden (nobody dies, meat comes from the shops…) and when we grow up (3-4years) meaning we ate the fruit of knowledge: our brain casts us out of the garden of Eden : we realise we are going to age and die…
I’ve often seen the serpent of eden as a sort of Promethean figure. I can’t be the first person to recognise the parallels between the two, both receiving punishment for giving mankind this gift, however you want to define it. Funnily the stories follow a similar path in that the eventual outcome is for God or Zeus to wipe out mankind with a great flood. Was the serpent our Christian mythological version of Prometheus.
The so-called Gospel of Thomas is a fake. It was written between one and two centuries after the apostle Thomas’s death. It contains some authentic sayings of Jesus because it is partially based on the canonical Gospels. It contains a bunch of stuff that is silly. It wasn’t written under divine inspiration. It doesn’t belong in the Bible.
Wow.... the Bible is not the totally perfect Word of God?! GASP! Say it ain't SO!
@@menow.,
IESUS THEE CHRIST; IS, THEE WORD OF G❤D; Made flesh.
Thee Bible; records, Words written; through the hand of a G❤D SPIRITED; and or, G❤D Directed writer.
This argument invalidates the whole bible as it was put together and edited several times hundreds of years after Jesus died.
@@ThomasHammer-o1p Did you know that if you take the pages of a Bible and split them with a razor blade, that there is more "TRVTH" written there?
None of the “canonical” gospels were written by the person they’re named for either. Paul didn’t write all the “Pauline” epistles. Moses didn’t write anything at all because he probably wasn’t a historical figure, but he definitely didn’t write the Pentateuch. Most biblical authorship is disputed if not outright proven false.
Man this O'Connor guy is really the devil's advocate....
the gnostic gospels are not from God.
I don't think so. For a long time I want to know a lot of things about the Bible that didnt make sense to me like how was ADAM ( MAN )was the "first born" human when ALL HUMANS start off as FEMALES FIRST ?
*EVE WAS FIRST NOT ADAM!*
@IuliusAnacyclus
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"...the gnostic gospels are not from God."
And you KNOW the Bible is "from God", HOW, exactly?
Who decides what is cannon and what isn't ? 😂
@@menow. 'faith' lol
😂Which gospels are? How did they decide? Why did it take so long to author them after the men they’re attributed to died?
The Bible is certainly an interesting book but to say it’s “God’s Word” borders on hilarity and stupidity. Of course if you’re indoctrinated(brainwashed) into seeing it differently you most certainly will. When you haven’t or when you broke out you can see it much more objectively.
4:56 James 1:17 God cannot tempt man. If Jesus (The Word) is represented in The Garden of Eden he is the tree of Life.
No evidence of that . ? Is there. ? God has relented before man before . He’ has shown flaws
The difficulty is that the interpretation of Jesus = serpent is wholly inconsistent with the rest of the Old Testament, never mind the new testament. And the description of Gnostic works as "gospel" is also inconsistent with the meaning of that word, too. The poor chap is lost in the forest.
It would "make sense" that for Adam & Eve to have eternal life, they would have to continue eating from the tree of life. Since they ate from the knowledge of good and evil and got banished from the Garden of Eden, they could bo longer eat from the tree of life.
Jesus is the Lamb of God slain before the foundations of the world
Wow a whole Gnostic 101 convo without mentioning the Matrix or the Truman Show or Dark City!
Let’s not forget that god in this story lied to Adam and Eve, the serpent told the truth, and god punished Adam and Eve for personal liberation. One could say that Adam and Eve needed to take a “leap of faith” for their own good, and the serpent’s words remained true.
Are you mad? Go and read genesis again. God spoke the truth.
As a result of eating the fruit. Adam and eve suffered an immediate spiritual death and later in life they did die physically. That wasnt a lie.
They died in both relevant terms. The serpent lied and decieved them.
@@saelkey If you read Genesis 1 and 2 you will notice that it's about God (Elohim) up until 2:4. After that it's about the Lord God (JHWH Elohim). JHWH lied. JHWH killed Adam and Eve by denying them acces to the tree of life. What did Jesus say about Satan? He was a liar and a murderer from the beginning...
There are several other places in the New Testament where Jesus clearly identifies JHWH as Satan.
I’m going to make an explanation of this idea. Wonderful work Chris and Alex.
Is Tom Bobmbadil Illuvatar?
The butt hurt Christians commenting is the best entertainment this week. Hilarious stuff.
Love this idea, puts things into perspective at least. The story of Adam and Eve has always been proof that the god of the Bible is not omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent like I was taught.
O’Connor def loved opening ceremony
I thought this clip will be some kind of intellectual, but just utter comedy
Heresy.
@@alansaji1559 Alex is a luciferian playing the role of atheist. Atheist to gnostic pipeline. People are getting worked.
Really? So YOU think YOU are privy to the one and only true understanding of Creation? How special you must be.
Why is it the most ignorant people who are the most confident about subjects they have little knowledge of?
Alex has a degree in theology. You my friend are just some randam person on RUclips
@@menow.No certainly not but as a banker who works with money all day long can spot a fake dollar bill so too anyone who studies the Bible well enough can spot heresy quickly.
Nope.
No way would the Creator, Jesus, would reduce himself to be a fallen angel for which He created . Satan also known as Lucifer the Angel the Lord Created who became fixated with the pride of life , power, ,wanting to be greater than Almighty God , thus thrown out of heaven taking with him a third of tbe angels. This man is deadly wrong, Jesus Christ is NOT the serpent. This commentator is not leaning toward the Truths of Almighty God, he has twisted the entire book of Genesis, The serpent became cursed, read chapter 3 verses 14 & 15 in Genesis, people do not be deceived by false teachings.
Amen. And we won't. Especially with the help of the holy spirit
Interesting that someone bringing up a theory proposed in a gnostic gospel is somehow a blasphemer. He is sharing what some early Christians thought.
Let’s do a thought experiment- if you aren’t too frightened of exploring the mind God gave you.
Imagine that the all the major Christian churches would have taught for centuries that Jesus was indeed the serpent in the garden, and that’s why:
1. Moses lifted the serpent up in the wilderness for people to look upon and be saved.
2. Jesus had to be lowered to the earth (as the serpent was cursed by God after the fall) in order to pay for the disobedience of man.
3. Moses and Aaron turned their staff into a serpent…and Jesus/God is our rod and our staff as stated in Psalms.
4. Jesus said to be as wise as serpents, etc…
Jesus made us aware (conscious) that the flesh has an expiration date. But we can shed the flesh (like a snake) and be born again through faith.
This would also answer the age old question of why God would allow the most dangerous being in the universe (Satan) that pulled a third of angelic beings from heaven, anywhere near his prized creation that didn’t even know the difference between right and wrong.. unleashing hell on earth.
How many would be calling this blasphemy? How many of you would have said - No- this isn’t what the Bible is teaching?
Many of you would be calling it the truth and call people that don’t see the Genesis story “your” way fools and heretics.
How much of what you learned was based on your teachers’ interpretation?
I’d venture to say much of it.
That’s why we have so many branches of Christianity, yet we are reading the same words.
We need to read the scriptures through the Spirit, not through the lenses of our flawed, deceased teachers.
I’m not telling you what to believe. I’m asking you to ask yourself why you believe what you believe.
Regardless, it doesn’t change my relationship with Jesus. We don’t have the perspective or tools to understand what is going on in the heavenly realms. We are looking at the universe from a key hole. The Bible tells us that all throughout the scripture.
Best we be humble.
God bless. ☀️
99% of people i know have been told what thr bible says and havent read them themselves. Hence the power of the bible. To convince sheep to follow whoever takes the mantle of the Shepard.
This guy, Alex O'Connor, has found his golden ticket, hot button talk about Jesus being the serpent and he gets a lot of clicks. Period. Scholars read everything which is appropriate, but do we really need to know about this chronicle? There is a large percentage of people who haven't read and never will read the New Testament.
Chris find out for yourself.
I also recommend Proverbs 27:11 . Me I pick good verses which works for me especially during my downdays or dark night of the soul.
The most important teachings is Love . Jesus summarized it into 2 teachings. I'm not that expert when it comes to Bible however . I study Bible also I know few. I choose some important practical teachings in the Bible which I can use on my daily life.
Don't confuse just pick what is good and can apply on your life but again it's up to you to discern things.
GodSpeed 🙏
@@lolko146 the bad thing when you study Bible of yourself is you have your own interpretation. Even I don't ask them I heard from their sermons or teaching so I end not to go their church again because I contradict them. However I don't advocating other not to go to church. Those church who teaches how to be a good people.
I couldn't go pass that provocative thumbnail. Alex is right that the serpent isn't "the devil" as we think about it.
I would recommend him to read "The unseen realm", by Dr Michael S Heiser, a bible scholar whose analysis of the text in Hebrew - as opposed to reading a translation - and cross references to other ancient writings are illuminating.
According to his research, the serpent is a divine being, created by God, who has been at work against humanity since then.
For those wanting to save time: no, because it's a made up story
Right, like a lot of the bible
People in comments getting so triggered lol
5:25 "Jesus being LIKE the true God..."
I believe you mean that under a particular religious tradition, Jesus IS the true God, don't you, not just SIMILAR to the true God? You should know that you can't just willy-nilly insert the word "LIKE" into that sentence and not have it affect the meaning.
WTF? No
So he's gonna IGNORE revelations?!
Revelations 12:9
And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world - he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
Or how about this one?
Revelations 20:2
And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,
I'm so thankful I know my scripture and don't get led into deceitful understandings such as this man.
This guy doesn’t understand the Bible. Nachash can also be translated as Shining One, a member of the divine council. Isaiah 14 makes it clear this is a cherub named Lucifer. Read the WHOLE Bible.
There are so many better anti Christian arguments than this one. At least challenge me. Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 make this clear that the serpent/shining one was a cherub.
This guy needs to actually read the Bible.
He did that studied the original texts and everything.
The devil came to kill, steal and destroy
This guy has no clue whatsoever what Christianity is about. Neither does he know how to read the Bible.
He got the basics so wrong that it would be a waste of time to listen to the whole conversation.
As for modern “wisdom” - I don’t know what this guy is about. But he definitely doesn’t seek wisdom. If he did, he would have found it by now.
You probably just got spoon-fed this nonsense by mummy and daddy, hence you can't think critically of it. There is no evidence for any beings up in the sky.
Why do zealots use the internet at all??
He's a gnostic, not a Christian. Gnostics essentially believe that God (Jehovah, Yahweh) is evil and that Lucifer is trying to save us all from the torment God forced upon us. It's an evil and twisted ideology that underpins a lot of esoteric and even communist thought.
@@lolko146I see you’re trying to offend me because I pointed out the guy’s gaps in knowledge.
Interesting that someone bringing up a theory proposed in a gnostic gospel is somehow a blasphemer. He is sharing what some early Christians thought.
Let’s do a thought experiment- if you aren’t too frightened of exploring the mind God gave you.
Imagine that the all the major Christian churches would have taught for centuries that Jesus was indeed the serpent in the garden, and that’s why:
1. Moses lifted the serpent up in the wilderness for people to look upon and be saved.
2. Jesus had to be lowered to the earth (as the serpent was cursed by God after the fall) in order to pay for the disobedience of man.
3. Moses and Aaron turned their staff into a serpent…and Jesus/God is our rod and our staff as stated in Psalms.
4. Jesus said to be as wise as serpents, etc…
Jesus made us aware (conscious) that the flesh has an expiration date. But we can shed the flesh (like a snake) and be born again through faith.
This would also answer the age old question of why God would allow the most dangerous being in the universe (Satan) that pulled a third of angelic beings from heaven, anywhere near his prized creation that didn’t even know the difference between right and wrong.. unleashing hell on earth.
How many would be calling this blasphemy? How many of you would have said - No- this isn’t what the Bible is teaching?
Many of you would be calling it the truth and call people that don’t see the Genesis story “your” way fools and heretics.
How much of what you learned was based on your teachers’ interpretation?
I’d venture to say much of it.
That’s why we have so many branches of Christianity, yet we are reading the same words.
We need to read the scriptures through the Spirit, not through the lenses of our flawed, deceased teachers.
I’m not telling you what to believe. I’m asking you to ask yourself why you believe what you believe.
Regardless, it doesn’t change my relationship with Jesus. We don’t have the perspective or tools to understand what is going on in the heavenly realms. We are looking at the universe from a key hole. The Bible tells us that all throughout the scripture.
Best we be humble.
God bless. ☀️
Why do people still use clickbait titles? They're pure cringe now. The marketing research showing they increased engagement was done back when clickbait titles were new, and everyone knows to any question asked in a title the answer is always No.
They still work…
Actually read the Bible. Don’t listen to this guy. Jesus is God in the flesh.
If you did you might have noticed that there are several places where Jesus clearly identifies the Lord God (YHWH Elohim) as the adversary (Satan).
I think its not as much about liberation as it is about Gods desire for relationship and sharing knowledge im a succinct way. Knowledge is liberating, it is powerful, but it's also dangerous. Knowledge vs
Wisdom
Well played shabos
It's a retelling of the story of Pandora's box.
Simply put: No, Jesus wasn't the serpent. Tolle Lege.
A militant atheist ignoring the greatest ethical system in the world, to obsess on meaningless drama. Color me not surprised.
0:40 "The text never says that"
Umm, yes. Yes, it does. The Bible explicitly calls Satan a serpent at least twice:
"So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." (Revelation 12:9)
"He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years." (Revelation 20:2)
Alex is way off the mark with this one.
He was talking about genesis not New Testament
Horsecrap, God tempts no one to disobey His commands. The sin was the disobedience not the result of having eaten the fruit. It may have been God's plan to eventually allow them to eat of the tree but not at that time. They were still as children and shielded from that knowledge but when they ate of the tree they obtained knowledge they were not ready for because they had not eaten of the tree of life. In a sense we all experience the same fall when we grow up and become expelled from the paradise of childhood innocence. Remember that the Bible says that God placed Cherubim to guard the way to the tree of life not to the garden. Also Eden is the entire Earth because the Bible says that God planted a garden "in" Eden. You have to understand that paradise is a state of being more than a physical place because you can be in the most beautiful place in existence but if you feel like hell on the inside then it's not paradise for you. It is written concerning Jesus that God said "I will give my angels charge over you lest you should dash your foot on a stone". Jesus is the tree of life that the angels guard the way to. John 3:16, "for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him will not perish but have everlasting life". In the Bible the cross is referred to as a tree and Jesus is the fruit that hangs upon it whose flesh we must eat of to live forever. This is represented when we take communion where the unleavened bread is His flesh and the wine is His blood. Jesus said "do this in remembrance of me". So paradise isn't a place it's a state of being innocent in the Presence of God and the only way back to that spiritual place is through the cross, through Jesus Christ. It took death of innocent life to cover the nakedness and shame of Adam and Eve when God clothed them with animal skins so our nakedness and sin must also be covered by death of the innocent life of Christ. Blood is life in the Bible so it is the blood of Jesus shed for our sake that washes away our sin and covers our shame.
"God tempts no one to disobey His commands."
Then why was the Tree in the Garden in the first place? If there is no temptation, how is there any CHOICE to be made??
@@menow.So you would rather that God made you a puppet with no ability to choose? And are you certain there was a literal tree instead of it just representing a branch of one possibility over another? Maybe the tree was genetic? You can take the story of Adam and Eve literally or you can try to understand the meaning of the story. Are you looking to understand if it's true or have you already decided it's false and are now just looking to prove it?
@@menow.And to be honest if I had all the answers I wouldn't need to seek them. There is value in the literal interpretation but for me at least I find more value in a figurative interpretation because it broadens my understanding instead of limiting it. Genesis gives a general description of creation, how mankind came into being, and how we fell from grace. If it were a detailed description it would be a science book, a whole lot longer, and would probably have been even less understood than what is written. But that doesn't mean it isn't true, it just conveys the truth on different levels of understanding. Is it physically true, could be because God can do anything, but I wasn't there so the physical truth of the matter does less to enlighten my understanding than trying to understand what it means and how it applies to all mankind. Adam and Eve represent humanity not just two individuals. The snake represents the devil, deciet, and temptation, the spiritual influence trying to destroy us, or rather get us to destroy ourselves. I don't expect someone who doesn't believe in God to begin with will be able to understand or accept what the Bible says because they for the most part have already rejected it. How can someone who doesn't believe that there even is a spiritual life begin to understand spiritual matters? It's like trying to read a book in a language you don't speak. Even those who do believe struggle to understand it and even over a lifetime of study never fully will. But I know this, I am not willing to abandon the answers I do have for the sake of the answers that I don't have. It's a matter of faith. No one could function in this world if they had to see proof of everything in order to believe it. Does something still exist if you're not looking at? Probably but good luck proving it let alone proving it to someone else especially if they have already decided not to believe you.
@@buckanderson3520well one thing is trying to understand a story full of important lessons and ancient wisdom and another is claiming that a book is the word of the almighty God because some human told you so.
@@lolko146 I see your point but without scripture or clear doctrine to provide a framework and that we acknowledge as the authority it would lead to greater confusion. If there is a conflict that can't be resolved between equal human authorities there must be some final authority that both will submit to, even that kings or rulers are under as well. Part of believing in a higher authority is that we submit to it otherwise we make ourselves the highest authority which can go very wrong very quickly. If there is truly a moral standard then it must be standard, meaning over all. Imagine a world where everyone uses a different system of measurement, there would be no standard and it would be chaos. But it also a question of faith to live your whole life believing in and submitting to a higher authority for the promise of a reward you've been told about but have never seen. I can say that I have witnessed things that can only be explained by the existence of God but it wasn't to make me believe, it was because I believed. It will still require the same faith to believe my testimony as it does to believe the testimony of those who wrote the Bible. My faith comforts me and gives me hope and purpose. But say there is no God and not life after death, then I will never know it. Without God it won't matter what I believed in life except how it helped me or hurt me during my life and believing in God has made my life better not worse. Not that I haven't had hard times but with God suffering isn't meaningless. Without God and the promise of life after death people might as well believe whatever suits them and do whatever they want so long as they don't get caught because what consequence is there? Indeed without God you are a fool not to be absolutely selfish and self serving because this life is all you will ever have. You should take revenge because without God who will give you justice. Get it while you can my friend because without God you are a fool not to. But I don't consider myself a fool and that's not a world I want to live in, and I refuse to believe that is the world that we do live in.
How about talk about any other religion rather than Christianity, it seems to be the 'cool' thing to do to belittle that religion nowadays
You would need to step outside of your bubble to notice such a thing
He does…
James 1:13-15 rebuts this. And the curse God gave to the serpent and the prophecy of Jesus later in the very same book make the answer very obvious. I haven’t fully watched the video yet, but I don’t see the point in this mind exercise.
Interesting that someone bringing up a theory proposed in a gnostic gospel is somehow a blasphemer. He is sharing what some early Christians thought.
Let’s do a thought experiment- if you aren’t too frightened of exploring the mind God gave you.
Imagine that the all the major Christian churches would have taught for centuries that Jesus was indeed the serpent in the garden, and that’s why:
1. Moses lifted the serpent up in the wilderness for people to look upon and be saved.
2. Jesus had to be lowered to the earth (as the serpent was cursed by God after the fall) in order to pay for the disobedience of man.
3. Moses and Aaron turned their staff into a serpent…and Jesus/God is our rod and our staff as stated in Psalms.
4. Jesus said to be as wise as serpents, etc…
Jesus made us aware (conscious) that the flesh has an expiration date. But we can shed the flesh (like a snake) and be born again through faith.
This would also answer the age old question of why God would allow the most dangerous being in the universe (Satan) that pulled a third of angelic beings from heaven, anywhere near his prized creation that didn’t even know the difference between right and wrong.. unleashing hell on earth.
How many would be calling this blasphemy? How many of you would have said - No- this isn’t what the Bible is teaching?
Many of you would be calling it the truth and call people that don’t see the Genesis story “your” way fools and heretics.
How much of what you learned was based on your teachers’ interpretation?
I’d venture to say much of it.
That’s why we have so many branches of Christianity, yet we are reading the same words.
We need to read the scriptures through the Spirit, not through the lenses of our flawed, deceased teachers.
I’m not telling you what to believe. I’m asking you to ask yourself why you believe what you believe.
Regardless, it doesn’t change my relationship with Jesus. We don’t have the perspective or tools to understand what is going on in the heavenly realms. We are looking at the universe from a key hole. The Bible tells us that all throughout the scripture.
Best we be humble.
God bless. ☀️
Do take your own advice and be humble and shut up
@@zin153 sure thing. have a great day! May you be full of light and live a long and prosperous life.
Genesis written at the same time as Torah. Devil existed. Serpent is referred to as Satan a lot on scripture.
Tree of life living forever is more like so long as you eat from this you will live forever. Like a food that prevents you from dying that if you stop eating it you will die. Other food isn't like that. When you eat it you still die.
Fruit of knowledge makes you die die. It's a different kind of die than just normal dying. It's always been known to be a spiritual death. But the tree of knowledge kills your spirit. When you sin, you're no longer properly alive but living in a kind of animal state living for the flesh rather than what is good. So it wouldn't be surprising if it was in line with all the concepts of the culture at the time.
God didn't create humanity. Humanity created god to explain things not yet understood. It's all made up. You better hope there's a heaven because if not, you've wasted your one chance at living on a fairy tale. Death is just like the experience we have before birth, no experience at all.
What in the heresy is going on here.
The take this to your grave shirt I knew I liked this guy
Read Genesis 2. The creator puts Adam into a deep sleep (dream)...
But never wakes him up.
This universe is a dream, maya, illusion. Or in modern terminology a simulation.
Stop with this Blasphemy
Yeah I’m not even going to entertain this video, might have to unsubscribe
Jahweh lied about the tree of life and subsequently killed Adam by denying him accès to the tree of life. A liar and murdered from the beginning...
If you read the New Testament there are several places where Jesus identifies Jaweh as the adversary (Satan).
Please leave the internet, its not a safe space!
@@lolko146 This should be everyone's goal really.
They not have no gods so in their eyes theyre not doing it. We, unlike them, just have to keep believing.
I don't think they were given eternal life when they were created.