I can't get over the fact that she called him 'boy' in the beginning when if you look at their birth years in the database Shay is a whole year older then Hope.
It wasn't a misunderstanding. The Assassin's in this game were just a conceited bunch of dicks who wouldn't admit they're wrong. Shay had good reason to defy them.
When Hope died you can see the pain on Shay's face. He really did care for her. People hated Hope for being arrogant and rude to Shay but for me I think she was teasing Shay and want him to be more responsible. She's a teacher to Shay so she should be strict to him.
Shay in this game was exactly what the title implies, a "Rogue." He just needed the Colonial Templar's resources to help him stop the Assassins from endangering other innocent people. By the time he arrived in France to kill Arno's father, he did start to believe in the Templar's philosophy and became a true Templar. Shay was a hero in this game, while the Colonial Assassins were stubborn reckless misinformed anarchists.
The Colonial Assassins were the worst chapter of the Creed, followed by the West Indies Assassins. I love how in AC4 both the templars and the assassins got tricked and almost destroyed by a reckless pirate and in Rogue the assassins got cocky and blinded by pride.
I liked this game for one thing; that it shows the Assassins can be as bad as the Templars and vice versa. it was ultimately achilles' fault, being blinded that he was in pursuing the artifact. i think shay's betrayal hit the others the most but i know it ain't no excuse for what they did. they followed the Creed, and Achilles, blindly.
To be fair, he never explainedwhat happened in Lisbon. He never gave the Brotherhood a proper chance. He instantly blamed them, called them murderers, and turned traitor. The Assassins never understood what happened.
@@kevinthunder3375 The same thing happened with Makendal's Assassins in Haiti, which Shay overheard Adewale tell Achilles. That's why Shay was so pissed at Achilles because Achilles was already informed by Adewale of this same situation happening in Haiti once before.
Not gonna lie, when you look at all of the cutscenes she's involved in, she's not exactly the worst when it comes to "rudeness" and "arrogance". That was just our first impression. _She did offer to keep the Morrigan safe._
No wonder shay joined the templars because the assassins made him feel like he was usless if they had listend to him about lisbon ac3 would of had a different story
Well Shay could've handled things better. He came bursting in, accusing Achilles and intentionally destroying cities and killing innocents rather than warn him of how dangerous the precursor artifacts are. If Shay didn't get so angry and assuming thing without proof, things might've turned out differently.
Kyle Gmerek same time Achilles shouldn’t have been so quick to blame Lisbon on Shay being careless and not listening to him at all just because he was wrong
@Connor Lonergan it kinda pissed me off because it felt so unnatural like I feel if he came in explaining what happened then you have Achilles blame things on Shay then in turn pissing him off and leading up to the betrayal wouldve been soo much better
@@Elemento0420shay was not so supportive of Assassin's from the beginning of the game , we can confirm that by his conversations with liam. He got really triggered when people in Lisbon died due to the precursor site. So we cannot blame for his actions
I came here because of Patricia's weak performance as Princess Zelda, however she is a really good fit for this character. Her voice is far too deep for Princess Zelda and she better fits mature tough woman characters. She should also stay away from doing British accents as it isn't her strong point.
That is exactly why I am here. Her Zelda voice was a nightmare to listen to. You could absolutely tell she was a 30+ year old woman trying to sound like a 17 year old with a super-crappy British accent. The moment I first heard her voice I wanted to mute it. This character is a much better match for her voice.
I thought the same myself. The king's English voice is great and Patricia is a good actress as shown in this vid. However that doesn't excuse her terrible performance making a 17 year old sound like an elderly British nanny. I want Zelda not Mrs. Beakley! lol
I get why Shay left the assassins but joining the Templars is still a really stupid choice especially since he hated how he killed innocents and the Templars have literally slaughtered innocents for their own goals
@@jalenikezeue4114 it wasn’t necessary. He simply chose to do so. Shay could have gone after the box by himself and protect it, hiding it from both assassins and templars so both orders don’t find the temples. He totally had the skill to do that all by himself. And possibly giving a a chance for the assassin to listen to him since he would be the only person with the location of the temples. Instead, he becomes Haytham’s dog.
@@jalenikezeue4114 Shay never properly explained what happened in Lisbon. Nobody understands the Pieces of Eden. Shay could have have helped them understand the dangers. Unfortunately, thats not what happened. The earthquake happened, and he immediately accused the Bortherhood of mass-genocide. Honestly, the entire game could have been resolved with one rational conversation. Instead, Shay screams incoherently, calling them evil monsters. Honestly, his turncoating was even more rushed than Anakin's was in RotS. Shay joining the Templars, after everything they had done, showed what person he was. Templars routinely commit mass genocide, they perpetuate slavery, and enfored an Empire on a hundreds of millions. A true "rogue" would have been been neither Templar nor Assassin. Also, Shay can kill civilians with no repurcussions. In the other games, if an Assassin killed civies, the game would desynchronize. Not so with Shay. Because Templars reguarly kill innocent people all in the name of "order and stability."
@@jalenikezeue4114 Shay didn’t try to warn them at all. He came raging into the manor and incoherently attacked Achilles. Granted, Achilles and the other Assassin’s handled it poorly, but Shay is as much to blame for the giant misunderstanding between him and the brotherhood.
every damn body wants to ship something but i feel like there's something more telling with shay and hope than just 'romance', like they were brother and sister by trial and companionship (both were assassins, after all) that unfortunately ended by shay killing hope 😝 sad all around
the assassins are indeed blind to the truth cause when shay told the assassins what the artifacts do they just refused to listen. it was only in the end they all realized well maybe Achilles only.
Shay never told em. He came in raging, screaming, and babbling incoherently. He called them murderers and threatened Achilles. If only he had spoke rationally and eloquently.... Hope and the others never understood what happened, though Achilles was later able to piece it together, I guess. His betrayal was practically instant. People like to make fun of Anakin Skywalker in the prequel Star Wars trilogy, but this was way more rushed. But honestly, Shay joining the Templars showed what kind of person he was. The Templars committed genocide, supported tyrannical rule, enforced an empire, and routinely perpetuated the slave trade. So too did Shay. Case in point, he can kill civilians. The game doesnt desynchronize. But yeah, Abstergo can go ahead and call it "an Animus glitch" to make em sound better. A true "rogue" would have been neither an Assassin nor a Templar. That would have been more interesting and better written I'm sure.
+eminade AC4 takes place between about 1715 and 1722. Then, the first part of AC3 where you play as Haytham takes place around 1755, which is about when Rogue starts. Then, the rest of AC3 where you play as Connor runs from 1765 to 1783. Unity mostly takes place from 1789 to 1808. So with prologue and epilogue scenes, there's a lot of overlap. (I know these are approximate dates but I didn't want it to get even more confusing.)
AC 4 takes place from 1715-1722, the end prologue with Haytham as a boy takes place somewhere between 1733-1735. Rogue begins in 1751, the scene where they first activate the box with Ben Franklin occurs in 1754. The whole scene with Haytham in AC3 starts with the Assassination of Miko and his arrival in the colonies that same year. Haytham's prologue continues until the following year in 1755. At which point--if you read the books--Haytham returned to Europe to deal with some personal business and did not return until some time in the winter of 1757-1758. Meanwhile, the destruction of Lisbon occurred in November 1755. Shay stole the manuscript and fell off the cliff in January 1756 after he returned. He remained with the Finnegans until June of that same year at which point he met Monro. Monro died in November 1757 and Shay joined the Templars not long after. Shay and Haytham defeated Liam and Achilles in March of 1760, that November is when Ziio was killed and we played as a child Connor. Connor's story picks up again in 1769. In June 1776, Connor is nearly hanged in New York and kills Thomas Hickey, in December of that year Shay kills Arno's father in Versailles. Connor allies with Haytham in 1778 and kills Haytham in 1781. He kills Lee in 1782 and finally buries the amulet in 1783. Arno's story picks up in 1789 and continues until 1794.
Assassin's Creed 4 happens, then Assassin's Creed Rogue happens. When the last cuscene of Rogue happens, AC3 is happening, and then, Assassin's Creed Unity happens
It's tragic Hope betrayed her boyfriend for her order because, I shipped Hope and Shay to the end and regretted, I had to kill her but Shay and I had no choice but we still had too or she would continue killing thousands of innocent people and we wouldn't want that would right my Templar Brothers remember we need order and despicable to the end to save the world more then Freedom since it can corrupted you if you don't know how to use your free-will properly right brothers!
@@theapexfighter8741 maybe not but Shay did view her as a love internet read it on there files on the Assassin’s Creed wiki it’s said so mostly by Hope Assassin’s Creed wiki file check it out if you don’t believe me buffoon boy uhhh!
Achilles was a stupid arrogant mentor....not like Altair or Ezio...because of Achilles the whole order was doomed with such bad decisions and his arrogance
Hope and Elise are awesome because just like Shay they chose their beliefs over their personal feelings. If you pledge your honour to a cause your feelings come second, yes? At least in my view.
I can't get over the fact that she called him 'boy' in the beginning when if you look at their birth years in the database Shay is a whole year older then Hope.
I think it's on the basis of ranks, as shay was a trainee while hope was one of the mentors?
@@formularainbow Just one year apart isn’t that bad but more than a year from 2 years to beyond is stupid and embarrassing.
@@harverc229 You still dont call boy someone older than you be it 1 or 2 yrs
Lol
@@harverc229 That's pretty common in military. You have to bow down to people younger than you but senior in rank.
And hope died just because of a misunderstanding .. this whole game happened because of a misunderstanding lol
Itachi Uchiha ...yes...
No
Thats why we need father of understanding
It wasn't a misunderstanding. The Assassin's in this game were just a conceited bunch of dicks who wouldn't admit they're wrong. Shay had good reason to defy them.
@@MrHyde-ku5qj To be fair, he did a 180 and became a total hypocrite like them when he killed Charles Dorian and started the French Revolution.
When Hope died you can see the pain on Shay's face. He really did care for her.
People hated Hope for being arrogant and rude to Shay but for me I think she was teasing Shay and want him to be more responsible. She's a teacher to Shay so she should be strict to him.
Not really, there's a difference between being strict and making a student feel like they're useless
I hated her because she leaded a whole criminal group in New York that was hurting civilians in New York.
@@waledilson2757 If you think Hope is rude and awful to Shay, you clearly can’t handle any constructive criticism irl lmao
@@waledilson2757 no. your parents were too lenient on you
@@lordogordo9407 You don't know me irl so you're false there
Youngest mentor in the series, she became master assasin at 22
Holy shit, even altair was 25 when he became a master assassin..
Connor was like 20 when he became a master assassin.
@BlackHairSupremacy American War really speed things up
@@Solobuddy Nah Connor was just incredibly gifted.
@@H.K.5He was the son of an absolute chad after all.
I shipped them, shame that Hope had to die though for the story
Tbh yea, I shipped them too after that training
@YGuy1 how you know?
What's shipped
The girl always dies in assassin's creed
@YGuy1 fuckoff, you bitch ass incel
Shay in this game was exactly what the title implies, a "Rogue." He just needed the Colonial Templar's resources to help him stop the Assassins from endangering other innocent people. By the time he arrived in France to kill Arno's father, he did start to believe in the Templar's philosophy and became a true Templar. Shay was a hero in this game, while the Colonial Assassins were stubborn reckless misinformed anarchists.
The Colonial Assassins were the worst chapter of the Creed, followed by the West Indies Assassins.
I love how in AC4 both the templars and the assassins got tricked and almost destroyed by a reckless pirate and in Rogue the assassins got cocky and blinded by pride.
@@RandalfElVikingo I miss playing as "Captain Piss off"
I liked this game for one thing; that it shows the Assassins can be as bad as the Templars and vice versa. it was ultimately achilles' fault, being blinded that he was in pursuing the artifact. i think shay's betrayal hit the others the most but i know it ain't no excuse for what they did. they followed the Creed, and Achilles, blindly.
To be fair, he never explainedwhat happened in Lisbon. He never gave the Brotherhood a proper chance. He instantly blamed them, called them murderers, and turned traitor. The Assassins never understood what happened.
@@kevinthunder3375 The same thing happened with Makendal's Assassins in Haiti, which Shay overheard Adewale tell Achilles. That's why Shay was so pissed at Achilles because Achilles was already informed by Adewale of this same situation happening in Haiti once before.
Those assassins died without knowing Shay was right
If only they had listened to him.
Achilles understood shay
@@alonzomadrigal2481 But sadly he was the only one who realized it and lived, explains why he’s so broken and defeatist in AC3
@@alexanderlehigh but he was still vengeful after all his sins and wanted revenge on haytham that's why he keeps influence Connor.
@@inxj5915 Shay never really talked to them.
I Really felt bad when she died....so emotional....love the game!...
In find her pretty....she gives me....."hope"
Not gonna lie, when you look at all of the cutscenes she's involved in, she's not exactly the worst when it comes to "rudeness" and "arrogance". That was just our first impression.
_She did offer to keep the Morrigan safe._
She and Shay were so suitable for each other :) pity💔
No wonder shay joined the templars because the assassins made him feel like he was usless if they had listend to him about lisbon ac3 would of had a different story
Well Shay could've handled things better. He came bursting in, accusing Achilles and intentionally destroying cities and killing innocents rather than warn him of how dangerous the precursor artifacts are. If Shay didn't get so angry and assuming thing without proof, things might've turned out differently.
Kyle Gmerek same time Achilles shouldn’t have been so quick to blame Lisbon on Shay being careless and not listening to him at all just because he was wrong
@Connor Lonergan it kinda pissed me off because it felt so unnatural like I feel if he came in explaining what happened then you have Achilles blame things on Shay then in turn pissing him off and leading up to the betrayal wouldve been soo much better
@@Elemento0420shay was not so supportive of Assassin's from the beginning of the game , we can confirm that by his conversations with liam. He got really triggered when people in Lisbon died due to the precursor site. So we cannot blame for his actions
@@Elemento0420 come on man, do you think shay can calm down after so many people died because of himself
I think Hope is the most beautiful assassin so far.
Can't win against Evie Frye.
Clearly, you haven't seen Aya/Amunet.
Alright, we all laughed, we had our fun. But let's get back to reality: Aya doesn't even come close to Evie.
I'd say Anne from Black Flag is the best looking Assassin. But Hope is a close second.
Anne Bonny is not part of the creed. She works with the assassins, but she ain't one of them.
Beautiful.
Her robe is really pretty
In deed its set for stealth because she is a the spy and informant of the creed.
I came here because of Patricia's weak performance as Princess Zelda, however she is a really good fit for this character. Her voice is far too deep for Princess Zelda and she better fits mature tough woman characters. She should also stay away from doing British accents as it isn't her strong point.
That is exactly why I am here. Her Zelda voice was a nightmare to listen to. You could absolutely tell she was a 30+ year old woman trying to sound like a 17 year old with a super-crappy British accent. The moment I first heard her voice I wanted to mute it.
This character is a much better match for her voice.
Mokko She wasn't a good pick for Zelda, and her doing a British accent was just fingernails on a chalkboard bad.
Especially since the British accent was totally just tacked on. The King doesn't have one, so why does she?
I thought the same myself. The king's English voice is great and Patricia is a good actress as shown in this vid. However that doesn't excuse her terrible performance making a 17 year old sound like an elderly British nanny. I want Zelda not Mrs. Beakley! lol
Jeniko her performance as Zelda wasn't even bad...
“I’m your better”
Not too sad that she was killed.
I get why Shay left the assassins but joining the Templars is still a really stupid choice especially since he hated how he killed innocents and the Templars have literally slaughtered innocents for their own goals
It wasn't stupid it was necessary too stop them From Middling in unknown Forces that they Clearly don't understand
@@jalenikezeue4114 it wasn’t necessary. He simply chose to do so. Shay could have gone after the box by himself and protect it, hiding it from both assassins and templars so both orders don’t find the temples. He totally had the skill to do that all by himself. And possibly giving a a chance for the assassin to listen to him since he would be the only person with the location of the temples. Instead, he becomes Haytham’s dog.
@@jalenikezeue4114 Shay never properly explained what happened in Lisbon. Nobody understands the Pieces of Eden. Shay could have have helped them understand the dangers. Unfortunately, thats not what happened.
The earthquake happened, and he immediately accused the Bortherhood of mass-genocide. Honestly, the entire game could have been resolved with one rational conversation. Instead, Shay screams incoherently, calling them evil monsters. Honestly, his turncoating was even more rushed than Anakin's was in RotS.
Shay joining the Templars, after everything they had done, showed what person he was. Templars routinely commit mass genocide, they perpetuate slavery, and enfored an Empire on a hundreds of millions. A true "rogue" would have been been neither Templar nor Assassin. Also, Shay can kill civilians with no repurcussions. In the other games, if an Assassin killed civies, the game would desynchronize. Not so with Shay. Because Templars reguarly kill innocent people all in the name of "order and stability."
@@kevinthunder3375 shay try to warn Them But they refuse to listen and besides they could never Understand Because they weren't there
@@jalenikezeue4114
Shay didn’t try to warn them at all. He came raging into the manor and incoherently attacked Achilles. Granted, Achilles and the other Assassin’s handled it poorly, but Shay is as much to blame for the giant misunderstanding between him and the brotherhood.
0:16 shes just cute and sassy
every damn body wants to ship something but i feel like there's something more telling with shay and hope than just 'romance', like they were brother and sister by trial and companionship (both were assassins, after all) that unfortunately ended by shay killing hope 😝 sad all around
the assassins are indeed blind to the truth cause when shay told the assassins what the artifacts do they just refused to listen. it was only in the end they all realized well maybe Achilles only.
Shay never told em. He came in raging, screaming, and babbling incoherently. He called them murderers and threatened Achilles. If only he had spoke rationally and eloquently....
Hope and the others never understood what happened, though Achilles was later able to piece it together, I guess. His betrayal was practically instant. People like to make fun of Anakin Skywalker in the prequel Star Wars trilogy, but this was way more rushed.
But honestly, Shay joining the Templars showed what kind of person he was. The Templars committed genocide, supported tyrannical rule, enforced an empire, and routinely perpetuated the slave trade. So too did Shay. Case in point, he can kill civilians. The game doesnt desynchronize. But yeah, Abstergo can go ahead and call it "an Animus glitch" to make em sound better.
A true "rogue" would have been neither an Assassin nor a Templar. That would have been more interesting and better written I'm sure.
Hope has a dommy mommy voice
😈👅
My Brother...
can someone explain ac 3 ac 4 and unity and rogue in order? im confused what happens in order? and is unity happening at the same time as ac3?
+eminade
AC4 takes place between about 1715 and 1722. Then, the first part of AC3 where you play as Haytham takes place around 1755, which is about when Rogue starts. Then, the rest of AC3 where you play as Connor runs from 1765 to 1783. Unity mostly takes place from 1789 to 1808. So with prologue and epilogue scenes, there's a lot of overlap. (I know these are approximate dates but I didn't want it to get even more confusing.)
AC 4 takes place from 1715-1722, the end prologue with Haytham as a boy takes place somewhere between 1733-1735. Rogue begins in 1751, the scene where they first activate the box with Ben Franklin occurs in 1754. The whole scene with Haytham in AC3 starts with the Assassination of Miko and his arrival in the colonies that same year. Haytham's prologue continues until the following year in 1755. At which point--if you read the books--Haytham returned to Europe to deal with some personal business and did not return until some time in the winter of 1757-1758. Meanwhile, the destruction of Lisbon occurred in November 1755. Shay stole the manuscript and fell off the cliff in January 1756 after he returned. He remained with the Finnegans until June of that same year at which point he met Monro. Monro died in November 1757 and Shay joined the Templars not long after. Shay and Haytham defeated Liam and Achilles in March of 1760, that November is when Ziio was killed and we played as a child Connor. Connor's story picks up again in 1769. In June 1776, Connor is nearly hanged in New York and kills Thomas Hickey, in December of that year Shay kills Arno's father in Versailles. Connor allies with Haytham in 1778 and kills Haytham in 1781. He kills Lee in 1782 and finally buries the amulet in 1783. Arno's story picks up in 1789 and continues until 1794.
Assassin's Creed 4 happens, then Assassin's Creed Rogue happens. When the last cuscene of Rogue happens, AC3 is happening, and then, Assassin's Creed Unity happens
Rogue 3 and unity
I met her descendant Peta Jensen in Vegas
Hope Jensen is a made-up character for Assassin’s Creed though...
😂😂😂
@@adibfarhan6320 whats so funny
@@TheSoCalledZoner1 lmao it's because Peta Jensen is a pornstar in real life
1 dislike,it,s Hope who dislike it !
0:27 Well played..
I never talk to women like these And I will always maintain their distance from them always!!!!!!!
Everybody is talking about how pretty she is, while I’m amazed that she’s Zelda from TOTK.
She was Zelda in Breath of the Wild and Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity as well!
CLEAR THE BLAST AREA
Hope is hot
It's a shame he never tapped dat before she died.
Good video
It's tragic Hope betrayed her boyfriend for her order because, I shipped Hope and Shay to the end and regretted, I had to kill her but Shay and I had no choice but we still had too or she would continue killing thousands of innocent people and we wouldn't want that would right my Templar Brothers remember we need order and despicable to the end to save the world more then Freedom since it can corrupted you if you don't know how to use your free-will properly right brothers!
They had no relationship. He wasn’t her boyfriend.
@@theapexfighter8741 maybe not but Shay did view her as a love internet read it on there files on the Assassin’s Creed wiki it’s said so mostly by Hope Assassin’s Creed wiki file check it out if you don’t believe me buffoon boy uhhh!
Why do I feel like Hope is kinda cold towards him?
Hope but p is slient on weekends
Pity, she had to die
Trying to think of Deus Ex joke. Cannot think of one.
If you want to make enemies, try to hope for something
Best Waifu
Shay could could had been hope's hero of time but became the king of thieves.😁
0:42 😍
8:31
Hope is very shapely 🤤
Start wars hologram
Achilles was a stupid arrogant mentor....not like Altair or Ezio...because of Achilles the whole order was doomed with such bad decisions and his arrogance
Mommy
Hope and Shay’s relationship of mentor and student reminds me Big Boss and The Joy
Exactly
I didnt care for Hope or Elise in Unity, I mean they seem selfish and arrogant, Shay and Arno were like tools to them
Hope and Elise are awesome because just like Shay they chose their beliefs over their personal feelings. If you pledge your honour to a cause your feelings come second, yes? At least in my view.
100comment sorry really.
Shame she is so arrogant.
I always saw Shay as homosexual but if he were straight, I'd ship him with Hope :)
He wasn't. He had a grandson who inherited Shay's rifle and became a templar
He had a crush on Hope man wtf He wasn't homosexual.
@@theprinceoforder Yeah I know that now lol. I meant to say that I like to think he was bisexual. He and George Monro always gave me homosexual vibes
@@RinzlerX122homo sexual vide? Are you in your senses??