How to (Really) Play Jazz Drums 1 - The 80/20 Drummer

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  • Опубликовано: 16 ноя 2024

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  • @charlesbeach6534
    @charlesbeach6534 9 лет назад +46

    This deceptively simplistic concept of building a conversation from the bottom up really free'd up my jazz playing. I'm having so much more fun playing swing. My left foot is finally joining in on the groove opposed to lazily keeping time.

    • @rogersdrums
      @rogersdrums 4 года назад

      can't wait to try that..

  • @aguy8681
    @aguy8681 8 лет назад +51

    this guy is mad chill bro lol

    • @panhead55
      @panhead55 7 лет назад

      This guy is mad at chili...

  • @alexpott8637
    @alexpott8637 8 лет назад +173

    the 4*/20 drummer.

    • @4realzibo669
      @4realzibo669 6 лет назад

      Alex pött made my day niggaaaa

  • @shanecampbell3965
    @shanecampbell3965 9 лет назад +135

    yo this guy is baked

    • @brucebrooker3633
      @brucebrooker3633 5 лет назад +2

      Baked? I get it, you cannot understand the concepts he is examining, so you feel the need to meet what you do not know with derision...and cliches. Do you play jazz?

    • @Dayseed
      @Dayseed 5 лет назад

      What’s the difference between being baked and simply having a different cognitive architecture?

    • @jerrymammoser1509
      @jerrymammoser1509 5 лет назад

      shane campbell yes. But naturally,,,.baked and sweet like a brownie without any nuts in it...think on that.

  • @johnrouse6957
    @johnrouse6957 7 лет назад +21

    Thank you so much. I finally GET it! I'm new to jazz drums... and I could always swing with my upper body; but connecting it all was beyond me. I could not for the life of me incorporate the kick drum into the swing feel. It always felt "out" and forced... awkward for sure. Now it makes absolute sense. The way you break it down from a basic 4/4 level makes my brain happy. I can then extrapolate and add variations; all the while having a solid foundation. I'm not sure why there are so many stupid and irrelevant comments on here btw. Why anyone should hate on a person who takes their time to make instructional videos to help others, for free no doubt, is beyond me. Your concept of a drum "conversation" between all the limbs is spot-on for me. May you know that the time and effort you took to make this video helped at least one drummer finally lock in and understand how to make the swing feel work with the bass foot. I'm a gigging drummer, and this will help me for the rest of my life. Please keep it up!

    • @Benzoperidol
      @Benzoperidol 6 лет назад

      What a nice guy

    • @whacktom8190
      @whacktom8190 4 года назад

      Yee. I am pretty good at playing and improvising but I don’t have much control over my drums

  • @breckalan
    @breckalan 5 лет назад +4

    The single greatest drum lesson on RUclips!!!!!
    There are a handful of drum educators on RUclips that I have a tremendous amount of respect and gratitude for. Largely they are 80/20 Drummer, Rob Brown and Max Sansalone (dimsunk).
    But in my humble opinion and for my personal growth, this has been the single greatest drum lesson on RUclips.
    this lesson has truly helped me frame the whole (swung 16th) and swing verses shuffle feel and trips over 1/8th etc etc that was always been pretty muddy for me. After this lesson, I can feel around in a song in seconds and see if it actually just falls into what I call "fast 4" category verses straight 8 and wham......I get the feel. Suddenly I'm swinging those 1/8 notes and it locks up so nicely. It makes so much sense and becomes so fun to be playing a classic rock tune, and feel the Swing/Bop right on in there. Of course!!!! And playing along to hip hop takes on an entirely new light and feels amazing.
    I really appreciate the huge breakthrough I made from this lesson!!!!!!!
    …….and next time I'm in New York......The meals on me.
    Thank you Nate!!!!!!!

  • @cjklz
    @cjklz 6 лет назад +2

    After years of experimenting with rhythms i finally started to teach myself how to play jazz and you ar the one showing me exactly what i needed and wanted to hear. Thanks. Now i remember why i use to practice playing along with D'angelo records so often.

  • @ibig9361
    @ibig9361 6 лет назад +2

    Just paid for your roadmap. Five bucks? What!?!? This video alone has helped me more than $5 worth. Can’t wait to get home and check it all out.

  • @webstercat
    @webstercat 9 лет назад +35

    To learn how to play jazz is to play jazz and work with people who are better than you. Books are great for independence, but experience is the best teacher.

    • @8020drummer
      @8020drummer  9 лет назад +23

      Billy Barton True, but sometimes it's important to play with people Weaker than you as well. If you someone can't hold a band together without leaning on a rhythm section that's a red flag:)

  • @andrewstark9957
    @andrewstark9957 4 года назад

    Max was a big proponent of hip hop and jazz informing each other. Good lesson

  • @laserjeesus
    @laserjeesus 5 лет назад +4

    Excellent video. As a hip hop producer and a drummer, this was really helpful

  • @brucebrooker3633
    @brucebrooker3633 5 лет назад +1

    Love getting together with you and examining drumming, rhythm DNA. Food for rumination. Thanks.

    • @peteryoung4974
      @peteryoung4974 4 года назад

      What’s behind the mask?..everything looks good.

  • @blapis89
    @blapis89 8 лет назад +6

    hahaha, loved the "you guys are along for the ride" and cymbal ride begins to sound :P

  • @ibig9361
    @ibig9361 6 лет назад +1

    F’ing awesome. I’m just learning drums, via RUclips and the Syncopation book. I’m from N.O. and have always noticed the connection between rap beats and the 2nd-line jazz rhythms , so cool you put it all out like that . Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge, love your style .

  • @julienpillonca6686
    @julienpillonca6686 3 года назад

    Wow. What a brillant person.thank you for those amazing free lessons.

  • @bryanubaghs406
    @bryanubaghs406 8 лет назад

    Just found you online. Good stuff. Long-time drummer here, good groover, need help with Jazz. I like the hip hop/jazz connection. At 49, I still learn every day... I'll keep checking our your vids.

  • @manipuco23
    @manipuco23 Год назад

    I gave up teaching because I wanted to offer a more organic method of teaching drums…
    You’ve inspired me. And enlightened me to an approach I can relate to.
    (Even adding latin grooves are more interesting using your method; think
    Samba)

  • @Mrflippy4
    @Mrflippy4 9 лет назад

    Thanks for being brave and delving deeper. Kudos to you my man.

  • @ajchandler5932
    @ajchandler5932 9 лет назад

    Your words at the beginning about who this is for... That's me. Thank you so much for doing these videos.

  • @peteryoung4974
    @peteryoung4974 4 года назад

    Love the sound of the snare and I liked how you brought it over from hip hop to jazz feel.. tricky stuff but interesting.😜

  • @mooreav
    @mooreav 9 лет назад

    Man, your videos are great. When it comes to Jazz I think concepts are where it's at. There is some serious independence shedding that needs to happen but it's not just about memorizing patterns and getting them burning fast.. This is great.

  • @MarkLee-mc9cz
    @MarkLee-mc9cz 8 лет назад

    This is very understandable for punk or metal players that want to learn how to slow down the beat but still play fast. Thanks

  • @justinshannon9076
    @justinshannon9076 6 лет назад +2

    Ok, I’ve watched this twice now. This is 1) a killer “level up” video with these high hat left foot variations. 2) a moment in our musical history when the straight 8th note conceived at the birth of the Rock era has finally strangled the swung 8th note that we would now be approaching Jazz swing from the decidedly not swung “On to the next one.” Don’t get me wrong, I get that these hip hop beats have a “swing” to them, but they don’t swing like traditional jazz swung 8ths. On to the next one is straight 16th notes hands down, yes “funky” but not “Fly me to the moon” or any traditional Jazz tune triplet swing. Having said that, I’m down with seeing hip hop having a say in the matter. Quincy Jones is cool with it, too. I’ve seen other RUclips videos recently where Swing is being referred to in new ways. But, for my two cents, if it doesn’t swing by way of quarter note triplets in all their wonderful ways, let’s not call it swing with a capital S.

  • @alejandromaria5012
    @alejandromaria5012 6 лет назад

    excellent explanation on how to build free jazz grooves. i will learn this for sure. thank you very much.

  • @tomtownsend5009
    @tomtownsend5009 9 лет назад

    Thanks man, you have a great way of unlocking musical doors! Really appreciate it.

  • @jordibadal229
    @jordibadal229 4 года назад

    This lesson is a gem 💎

  • @mattcarrbeats9755
    @mattcarrbeats9755 9 лет назад +1

    This is Great! BTW. The Black Eyed Peas song "lil lil" is great for getting the hang of the swing feel in a hip hop context.

  • @michaelfay6828
    @michaelfay6828 9 лет назад

    Great ideas man. I really like the off beat metronome suggestion. Definitely helped me out.

  • @adistabaskara3215
    @adistabaskara3215 6 лет назад

    Great video! What an awesome conceptual framework articulated really well. Love it.

  • @DarkAioL1666
    @DarkAioL1666 9 лет назад

    You are fantastic thank you, i discover your videos, you give me the keys to solve the precise issues i have with my playing.

  • @baterizmo
    @baterizmo 8 лет назад +6

    I know f**k all about jazz, but you got some great concepts, man...awesome ideas...thank you

  • @longfade
    @longfade 7 лет назад

    Really cool concepts. I love the offset metronome idea!

  • @blockhax6146
    @blockhax6146 8 лет назад +9

    one of the other legendary books is by jim chapin.

  • @rusamene
    @rusamene 6 лет назад

    dude....
    you are pure gold

  • @divepeace1
    @divepeace1 7 лет назад

    Just finding this stuff! GOLD! Seriously awesome!! You're gonna make a difference, man!!

  • @PupaBeebs
    @PupaBeebs 8 лет назад

    Thank you so much! I really understood what you were saying, and I love your ideas!

  • @rhydianjlewis
    @rhydianjlewis 9 лет назад

    Just spent the last hour trying to play off beats to the metronome and the most I have managed is about a minute of a simple bass drum hi hat ride rhythm. Madness!

    • @rhydianjlewis
      @rhydianjlewis 9 лет назад +1

      Ah after many hours it suddenly clicked. Totally forces you to focus on keeping the left hand in sync and just let the feet do their thing. I can really see the value in this! Thanks, great video!

  • @surfdrum12
    @surfdrum12 9 лет назад

    Thank you for sharing this valuable piece of information, it helped me allot!

  • @artysanmobile
    @artysanmobile 5 лет назад +1

    Another great resource for swing study is Manic Depression from Jimi Hendrix.

  • @calebdan2999
    @calebdan2999 5 лет назад

    This is crazy, cause this video felt like it was made for me, lol great stuff, I needed to see this

  • @JubalCreech
    @JubalCreech 9 лет назад

    Great approach to this lesson!!

  • @victor29rc
    @victor29rc Год назад

    it fucking insane how good this video is

  • @jimbrenner724
    @jimbrenner724 9 лет назад

    Amazing videos, I’ve learned a lot! Thank you!

  • @jerrymammoser1509
    @jerrymammoser1509 5 лет назад +1

    I wish I were this good because I would love to be able to reach and teach our brethern. “Hang on until then, the best that we can”
    -Steppenwolf

  • @bobweber4140
    @bobweber4140 Год назад

    Just found this awesome info thankyou

  • @Benzoperidol
    @Benzoperidol 6 лет назад

    Man this lesson was incredible, it said a lot stuff that i needed to know. Also the way you edited it with the jazz playing behind is genious.
    By the way im also high mr youtube guy

  • @MuddslingerPots
    @MuddslingerPots 10 лет назад +1

    Super cool!!!

  • @clarkewi
    @clarkewi 8 лет назад +1

    What are those bizarre piano chords at the end of the lesson? Love it.

  • @soundsetting9731
    @soundsetting9731 6 лет назад

    Hi Nate, three minimum effective words:
    1) Thank's
    2) We Love You

  • @dibach70
    @dibach70 8 лет назад

    Very interesting ideas!

  • @jello-tarzan
    @jello-tarzan 4 года назад

    Great insights! Thanks a lot!

  • @shanecampbell3965
    @shanecampbell3965 9 лет назад +12

    HE SO BAKED. HE IS SOOOO STONED. like most jazz players

  • @littlemr.5503
    @littlemr.5503 8 лет назад

    Genius lesson. Thanks dude!

  • @Benedict-Seelemeyer-Lindsley
    @Benedict-Seelemeyer-Lindsley 3 года назад

    Yes. Awesomero, anybody at any level can learn from from yoy& ur vifs

  • @Metzok
    @Metzok 9 лет назад

    Very nice entry point to swing using hip hop! You don't happen to have any videos where you show applications of the syncopation book etc?

    • @8020drummer
      @8020drummer  9 лет назад

      Thanks! I have several in which I unfairly impugn the syncopation book:P In all honest I think Sooooo much instruction has been predicated on these books about what do with the left hand and right foot while you play spanglang and 2 and 4, I wanted to "fill in" the instruction on the other side of the scale. I do have a couple of lessons in the works that will fill in the gaps though, and will probably satisfy what you're getting at. I'll be sure to paste the link as a reply to this thread when it's posted.

  • @TheRostopher
    @TheRostopher 8 лет назад

    I like you as a drummer/teacher

  • @kurtcameron7562
    @kurtcameron7562 6 лет назад

    Great video thank you. I'm just starting outnwirh jazz drumming. Probably a little above my skill set but hey...why not?

  • @wurdofwizdumb1928
    @wurdofwizdumb1928 Год назад

    Hahaha , watching this 8 years.
    You should back on the weed man, you vibing hard hahahaha

  • @ericmsandoval
    @ericmsandoval 5 лет назад

    You should really really really make videos like this again.

  • @chewgumer
    @chewgumer 4 года назад +1

    Start with getting a comfortable armchair. Play jazz records for a year. Listen to the greats with trio, quartets, quintets, small groups & big bands. Take piano lessons. Later buy a drum kit with good quality cymbals. Concentrate with time, grips & feet & hand co-ordination. Minimise time taken on technique but develop melodic playing. Practise with small groups. Circulate & get gigs.

  • @rogersdrums
    @rogersdrums 4 года назад

    I like it thanks gonna try the hi hat thing hadn't thought of that part

  • @aenema22
    @aenema22 6 месяцев назад

    @0:45 I didn't know John C. Riley actually played the drums, I thought that was just for the movie!

  • @vanessapekelo2592
    @vanessapekelo2592 9 лет назад +21

    sheldon cooper of jazz

  • @DrumTipTuesday
    @DrumTipTuesday 5 лет назад

    this is really smart, I'm totally subscribed!

  • @MrDanmjack
    @MrDanmjack 2 года назад

    Some very useful tools there

  • @octoberjones3533
    @octoberjones3533 9 лет назад

    thanx for this man...learnt a lot cheers.

  • @MonacoRocha
    @MonacoRocha 2 года назад

    Hi Brother . youre vids are great...who do you play with in nyc ?

  • @Ramshackled17
    @Ramshackled17 10 лет назад

    Great video! Thank you!!

  • @ray32245mv
    @ray32245mv 5 лет назад

    What are a few compositions I can listen to in order to begin studying "jazz"? I like the sound of (I guess) smooth jazz, cool jazz, and some of the big band stuff. I don't think I'm interested in avant garde, or free jazz. I'm using genres listed on wiki lol. I'm a drummer, primarily hard rock, heavy metal, nu-metal, and pop, and I've got a couple reasons for wanting to learn what you do. I can't afford electric drums, so the speed and finesse you have at low volumes appeals to me. Limb independence is something I would like to increase, and I think jazz would help there too. I don't know how to read music well, and I need to just put my head into and do it... And finally, I do actually like the sound of some types of jazz, and want to learn it. Send me a few artists/tracks I should listen to and study if you get a chance.

  • @Benedict-Seelemeyer-Lindsley
    @Benedict-Seelemeyer-Lindsley 3 года назад

    Oh yeah where can I see a vid of you playing live?

  • @masonchase4599
    @masonchase4599 2 года назад

    so sick, thank you!

  • @jerrymammoser1509
    @jerrymammoser1509 5 лет назад

    You could “least-common-denominator” your tag to “The 4/1 Drummer”...or do you play in 80/20? Shee...I ain’t sure...
    Either way, this is the coolest guy out here, I tell you...At first, he drove me nuts, the edit-redit-edit-edit-bedit-redit-shedit-shredit-edit....but after you get on that rhythm, you become into it...some. I’m still acclimatin’... Brrrapp Tzz!

    • @wholock0001
      @wholock0001 4 года назад

      It's a reference to Pareto's 80/20 rule, not a time signature.

  • @Benedict-Seelemeyer-Lindsley
    @Benedict-Seelemeyer-Lindsley 3 года назад

    I jus got here didn't see comments or hear you so prob 1sr thing ranted-..jus give him a miles davis album called KIND OF BLUE, tell him if he's short on time and can only do one at the moment, All Blues should get him up n running with a 6/8 classic, super simple(for novice 1st glance)& great practice for brushes too

  • @oldowl4290
    @oldowl4290 9 лет назад +1

    I just stumbled on to you recently and have really been enjoying your videos. After years of playing rock and funk and reggae I have been bit hard by the jazz bug and am currently building a 4pc jazz kit. What heads do you use / recommend for the higher tuning? Emperor or Ambassador or if using Evans?

    • @8020drummer
      @8020drummer  9 лет назад

      Hey Jeff I'm using coated ambassador. That's going to give you the basic jazz sound:) I've seen Brian blade use Renaissance too, and Evans works great if you want more pure drum tone.

  • @FawleyJude
    @FawleyJude 8 лет назад +14

    I've watched your 3 jazz videos. You play well, but I can't make heads or tails of what you're talking about in the lessons. Maybe I'm too old school, learned jazz playing bop, where there's a definite 2+4 anchor, then moving on to the Elvin triplet feel, then freer playing like Tony Williams and Jack DeJohnette. I just don't feel any crossover from jazz to the hip-hop rhythms you're playing. But hip-hop's not a basic reference point for me, I guess it would need to be for the lessons to make sense.

    • @AJK.630
      @AJK.630 6 лет назад +6

      A hip hop producer named J Dilla brought this cool new feel that wasn't quite swung and wasn't quite straight into hip hop. That influenced today's jazz cats, Chris Dave, Mark Guilianna and many of today's top jazzers. Neo soul music like Erykah Badu shows this feel off well, and it's a staple in a lot of modern jazz records. It's certainly not in relation to standards like All Blues, etc. But that's what's so hip about Jazz, when people first heard bitches brew they were like, what the hell was that? Keeps progressing with every generation!

    • @jonaslindberg2579
      @jonaslindberg2579 6 лет назад +2

      I think you're right. The best thing is to listen to actual jazz if you play jazz drums. But for someone who never listens to jazz, it might be useful to start out with something more familiar. I interpret this video as an introduction to jazz drumming. That being said, there's obviously a lot of room for creativity when combining the two genres, as shown in 6:35, for example. I'm sure advanced jazz drummers can learn a lot from these methods.

    • @FawleyJude
      @FawleyJude 6 лет назад +1

      @@AJK.630 Agreed, the music needs to keep evolving. It may be getting a bit beyond this old school guy, but that doesn't mean it isn't legit.
      As far as Bitches Brew, it was my first Miles album and I connected with it even if I didn't "get" it all. On the Corner was another matter, those looped drum rhythms just seemed insane after all the virtuosity of Jack DeJohnette on Bitches Brew and Live/Evil. It took me years to finally get a feel for it.

    • @int0the3p1t32
      @int0the3p1t32 4 года назад

      Sounds like you just wanna refuse to give credence to other styles of music. Cross training exists in multiple disciplines. He’s essentially stating that by stepping outside of Jazz for the uninitiated will allow those who can’t swing, to learn how to swing in a different context.

  • @alimalim2262
    @alimalim2262 4 года назад

    Thank you sir, thanks a lot

  • @tdrum21
    @tdrum21 9 лет назад

    Very nice. What's the song in the end? What other hip-hop tunes would you recommend besides that Jay-Z track?

  • @eetchit6034
    @eetchit6034 9 лет назад

    i like the band MORPHINE

  • @powbobs
    @powbobs 4 года назад

    Any alternatives for those of us who hate hip hop?

  • @brothomas
    @brothomas 10 лет назад

    Nice video man appreciate it.

    • @ns81
      @ns81 10 лет назад

      Thanks Thomas!

  • @MaxMarsilloDrums
    @MaxMarsilloDrums 9 лет назад

    Thank you!!! So much!!

  • @Voltahgandhi
    @Voltahgandhi 10 лет назад

    I am quite fascinated with this macro time concept, do you recomend to work on it full time or it's only an option?

  • @benfrank8649
    @benfrank8649 5 лет назад

    I haven't played Beyond Bop Drumming but The Art of Bop Drumming, which I like a lot. Syncopation just confuses me, it's so bare

  • @leddrummer6893
    @leddrummer6893 7 лет назад

    You are so great!😧

  • @petermorris3312
    @petermorris3312 2 года назад

    This works!

  • @thomasmann9175
    @thomasmann9175 6 лет назад

    Hi Nate...thank you so much for providing such mind altering interesting things to practice! Random qu that is literally *nothing* to do with this excellent lesson: at 1:06 you buzz from the snare onto the ride, a little kinda fill in the groove...is that just a 5 single stroke ruff basically? With the fifth on the ride? I've been scouring the web for nice mini fills to play while comping to add texture and highlights...this kind of thing. I'd be a big fan of a lesson looking at options there! Thanks again and keep up the amazing work

  • @buhkatski
    @buhkatski 4 года назад +1

    Hi Nate, I’ve never really explored playing along to hip hop. What other tunes do you recommend besides on to another?

  • @rthmjohn
    @rthmjohn 9 лет назад

    Hey! Are there any videos of you playing straight ahead with a combo or big band? Thanks!

  • @andx4024
    @andx4024 6 лет назад

    thanks fo your lession. my level number 1.5 or even 2 is coming....... )

  • @vincent_v6998
    @vincent_v6998 9 лет назад

    thank you!

  • @t3hgir
    @t3hgir 2 года назад

    Classic

  • @quickattackfilms7923
    @quickattackfilms7923 5 лет назад

    So jazz or swing can be in both 4/4 and 3/4?

  • @ianarsenault6318
    @ianarsenault6318 9 лет назад +4

    stoned********* good drummin tho man lol

  • @elliotgwynne3890
    @elliotgwynne3890 10 лет назад

    It all makes sense now.

    • @8020drummer
      @8020drummer  10 лет назад

      Ha! You're ready to start cashing Jazz Drum checks? Me too brother!

  • @ianagustin18
    @ianagustin18 4 года назад +1

    1:29 the start

  • @ghulsem
    @ghulsem 9 лет назад

    I've transcribed this jazz pattern and have figured everything out except for the hi hat. If this is 4/4 and the bass and ride start out beat 1, where exactly is the hi hat coming in? It would help me out a lot to know this. Thanks! Great video by the way.

    • @8020drummer
      @8020drummer  9 лет назад +2

      Yo! I believe this is all transcribed...the8020drummer.com/jazz-part-one Boom!

    • @ghulsem
      @ghulsem 9 лет назад

      The 80/20 Drummer
      Thanks, man! That is awesome.

  • @jeffisdrums
    @jeffisdrums 5 лет назад

    Hey 80-/20, Ive heard of you, but stumbled across this and it was well worth a watch, got me thinking differently. I would say there is def. some outside the box thinking and/or concepts that people need to know prior to seeing, but I see where you are going and now gonna check out the second video. just curious, do you ever notate any of this stuff? thx! -Jeff, SF, Cali.

  • @ruffryder13
    @ruffryder13 7 месяцев назад

    Im not sure if im on board with learning to play jazz via playing hiphop.

    • @8020drummer
      @8020drummer  7 месяцев назад +1

      Welp keep me posted in case I need to delete the channel and change careers

    • @ruffryder13
      @ruffryder13 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@8020drummer I'll keep you posted. :)
      I'm only here because I like practically all of your other content!

  • @toddschroeder6486
    @toddschroeder6486 6 лет назад

    could you or anyone explain how the hemiola's are being counted in the two examples near the end, this is a great video but that part is tough for me to count. Thanks!

    • @paaao
      @paaao 4 года назад

      6/8 and 4/4 are very similar. 1,2,3,4,5,6 is damn near 1 - 2 - 3 - 4. So that's how I count it. 1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1 - 2 - 3 - 4. Obviously those dashes can become 1 and, uh, 2 and uh 3...etc...

  • @federiconicolaszotalis1115
    @federiconicolaszotalis1115 5 лет назад +1

    you play with swing!!!!