Good video. You mentioned everything important. It's hard at the Moment to choose the right low profile keyboard because they are only a few on the market
Jens it is rather tough, but I think it’s even harder due to the pcbs and keycaps that are available, or rather unavailable. Finding the right pcb and keycaps that can fit a switch then modding the switch from there seems to be the best option right now. Of course, there’s always handwiring but still the keycaps available limit the options. Thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it!
Does anyone know for sure the purpose of the new third pin thats been added, I have a reddragon k619 and I'd like to switch over to these brown switches but the pcb doesnt support the new pin
All keycaps are compatible with the V2, as it's not the length of the mounting stem that's different, just the height of the keycaps. If you're thinking of using the V2's in a build, I would suggest that you mount the switches directly to the PCB instead of mounting to the plate, as normal MX keycap profiles seem to extend past the top housing of the switch.
Looking forward to this! I've had two OEM boards with Kailh Choc V1s (Havit HV-KB390L and Gamdias Hermes M3) and while I love the switches, the modding ecosystem is very lacking. Decent custom keycaps and compatible PCBs are nowhere to be found, even OEM and non-OEM Kailh Chocs are incompatible with each other.
Exactly it is so frustrating. Finding key caps is the main issue I feel as we could always resort to hand wiring. Hope that we get some keycap options in the future, fingers crossed!
Maybe they're all incompatible because of legal reasons. MX-style clones and keycaps are so plentiful because the original patent expired, but as far as I know the Kailh choc design isn't that old.
SaHaRaSquad that’s a little confusing seeing as they’re both made by kailh. I’m guessing maybe kailh wants to move on from the v1s but doesn’t make much sense either, can’t really wrap my head around it.
Hey man, any update on whether DSA keycaps work better with the v2 switches with plate mounting? Also, is there potentially a pcb-mount variant of the v2s (I mean with the two extra tabs at the bottom to snap into the PCB)? Thanks!
@@fishbuildstuff Did you check/ test the DSA or XDA keycaps on the Kailh Brown V2s? I am even considering Plate -less / PCB mounted to avoid bottom out clash.
Hey!! Thanks for this video showcasing these rarer niche (?) switches. How does the Choc low profile V2 Browns compare with cherry MX Browns and/or Kailh Box browns? Thanks!
Hey thanks for the comment! I think if you are comparing tactility they are kind of similar, however with the V2 LP you are pretty much bottoming out with every single keystroke so it does feel a lot less plush than say a lubed and filmed MX brown. That being said, if you can find springs to fit it I think heavier springs on the V2 LP would definitely help the feel of it.
I have a choc v1 board, and I've been wanting to replace the keycaps for ages but I don't like flats. This comparison is reallly useful since I would have never known how different the housing is for V2, nobody really showcases this. Alas swapping the two for keycap compatibility is not really feasible.
Finn K I’m guessing you meant for your laptop unless you don’t want to close it ever again haha. I doubt the switch plus caps would be low enough to fit in anY laptop. I think it would be a pretty fun project, but do get the switches in and get all the measurements cause from what I’ve learnt so far the dimensions vary ever so slightly. Sheeepman on reddit made a pcb macroboard for the v2 but it’s still in development. His video on the v2 should be the first result when you search the v2 on RUclips. Looks promising and can’t wait for that, I think he released the working files on that as well if you want to go the pcb route. I also have plans for the v2 so do keep posted I’ll be releasing videos on it soon! Thanks for the support!
@@fishbuildstuff In theory, depending on the internals, if I remove the stock keyboard, it'll only poke out a little and the lid would close at a slight angle. I'll probably never do it 😂 but it'd be cool to see if it was even possible. I'll check out the PCB.
Finn K haha it sounds like a cool project. Assuming that it’s a laptop with a slightly recessed keyboard like this gaming laptops that have advertised mech switches, I’m guessing it might be possible, but the height of the v2 with key caps is rather tall. I’m guessing if it was going to work you might have better chances with the v1. If you ever do it, pls post an update!
I don't understand why the mounting system is different from MX, but 'traditionally' choc switches have been used in DIY and handwired builds, although there are more hotswap low profile boards being sold nowadays.
Hi, I doubt it will be possible unless you really mod it by extending the lego with wiring etc, imho not worth it as the g915 is pretty expensive. In regards to your previous question about fitment yes the v2 can fit normal keycaps, but when bottoming out the keycap might hit the case/plate.
One can dream; I highly doubt there would be a V3 tho. Since the release of the V2, there hasn't been any new development on the switch, however the V1 has had more variants, so make of that what you will I guess.
For keycaps you need to look at the stem of the switch, most switches come with MX mount stems so they fit most aftermarket keycaps. These switches unfortunately have a specialised mount and that makes aftermarket caps hard to find.
I use HAVIT keyboards. They have custom Kailh choc switches, but still pretty much choc. I bought a G915 (TKL) after two years of using HAVIT, ended up returning the Logitech. Too expensive for what I would describe as a $100 keyboard.
Do the V2's have more or less stem wobble? And which version is smoother? I have some white and red V1's and their stem wobble isn't terrible but I'm wondering if the V2's improved in that area. Thanks!
I wouldn't say they improved or gotten worse. The amount of wobble is very similar, just that V1's have more north south wobble, while the V2's kinda wobble all around, albeit less.
4:42 that is the most annoying sound I have ever heard from a keyboard. Worst click noise ever. Waaaaay too heavy as well. You clearly have very niche preferences.
I would love to see your g915 being customized to sound good. Because Im planning to get their white because It looks so good and there’s just no other wireless like it. But the sound is meh. It just doesn’t have that “thoncc”
I think it's quite impossible to get any sort of thoc from this keeb. A lot of the sound not only comes from the switch, but also the case, and there just isn't enough space in both the low profile switch and case to get any lower frequencies that we find pleasing in thocky keebs. I would imagine the best we could do would be to eliminate as much rattle as possible, but even so that would be a challenge as the stabs for these LP switches are literally a piece of wire clipped to the keycap.
@@fishbuildstuff Oh I see, I just didn't find any alternatives to g913 tkl though, because it's just white :D and I just can't find any with reliable wireless conn. And I'm looking at other youtube videos, and the sound is not bad but you're right it's far from the mech sound that we love. My original plan is to get one for myself and try out lubing the stabs for starters, especially that spacebar which is so eeewww. But now you've mentioned this, do you actually think lubing the stabs will pretty much do nothing to solve the rattle?
@@MizzenInflerro It did reduce the rattle when I lubed my stabs with dielectric grease, but the effect is not as great as lubing a standard mx stab would be.
@@fishbuildstuff Hey man! I just got mine. and the sounds isn't that all bad actually. Thought I wasn't expecting the head of this keyboard to be large. Anyways, I'm hearing so much rattle with the keycaps, have you tried any solution to stabilizing that ? like lubing or maybe O-rings ?
@@MizzenInflerro Congrats! I did use O-rings but they made the keyboard really unreliable and mushy. Honestly not much I can think of to fix that rattle. Between how the keycaps are mounted to the switch and the tolerances in the switches itself, there isn't much that can be done. The best I can imagine would be lubing and filming the switch, then swapping out the springs, but then again that's a HUGE project seeing as you have to get the right springs, probably mod some films for it to fit the switches, not to mention desoldering every single switch.
Unfortunately, the mounts are not the same. Any keyboard that accepts standard MX mount (cherry, gateron etc) would not be able to fit low profile switches.
I really wish they kept the old pin and keycap layout, with the updates in actuation. Especially for the browns... I've got a Drevo Joyuse with red switches and I've been trying to get more tactility, without resorting to clickies. The hunt continues, maybe a spring swap might help.
Isaiah Scott yeah I get what you mean. The new stem and tactility is pretty nice but the pins are a problem. I’ve taken to modding my vinpok taptek, almost done but it’s a huge pain
amazing video! thank you!! I wanted to confirm that I can take the V2 of the Kailh Switch and put it on my Logitech G915 and use the HyperX Pudding Keycaps that are used only with "Cherry MX Switches". Is this V2 going to work the same way?
Hey have you done it? Im looking into replacing the switches on my g915 aswell, but since he mentioned that the round pin in the middle is bigger i dont know if it will work out
@@fishbuildstuff i don't know how to send you pictures of it, but it's kinda a "smashed" DSA keycap. I'm struggling with resin warping now, it's a challenge print a spacebar :(
@@soyo Oh yeah definitely, the warping is a challenge. I don't know too much about solving it but seems like finding a balance between the heating and print speed is what I've seen online for people trying to fix the warping. Especially with something as large as a spacebar it's gonna be annoying. Good luck!
Gabrielle Cruz the keycaps for the v1 I harvested off the vinpok taptek, which you can see in my other videos. The v2 are MC mounts which fit most keycaps.
have you compared the kailh choc v1 switches with the custom Logitech Kailh switches? I would like to know how the buttom layout compares and if I can change the switches of the G915
From what I see, the pins that connect the switch to the PCB for the G915 are slightly different from the stock kailh ones. You probably have to bend the pins a little to fit them on. The switch itself is very similar to stock kailh chocs (G915 browns vs Kailh choc browns), so much so I could not tell a difference. I think only if you are looking to change it to the navy switches which have a very different feel from the stock blues, I wouldn't look into replacing the switches. At most, desoldering everything to lube and maybe do a spring swap.
Awesome thanks! I was most interested in the tactility of the new V2 brown since I once heard the V1 feel like diarrhea or some shit lol Of course this is a bit stupid, new PCB layout and old MX keycaps don't REALLY fit either. But I'll most likely be hand wiring anyways.
Honestly...V2's are better but you would really have to want low profile switches, and on top of that to get more tactility you'll really want to mod every single switch. Probably lighter springs or compound springs with some way to stiffen up the leaf. Good luck on your build!
@@fishbuildstuff I plan to build with full sizes keys for now and get some testers to see what I like. Because honestly I don't know! I actually like the tactility of the apple magic keyboard. They have only 0.86mm activation and 1.15 travel and 36g force. But not sure if I'd prefer real mechanical tactile keys. I might try these Kailh Speed Copper, they have a bit tactility and 1.1 activation, maybe I can just reduce the amount of travel they give with a 3D printed shield on top of the keys.
@@dejayrezme8617 I get what you mean. For me I tried topre, alps orange, and also holy pandas, and I ended up using kailh plums as my daily which is really really close to what I was used to. If you like lighter switches you could look at the plum line or just get lighter springs for it!
@@fishbuildstuff Thanks, one more to check out :) I'm also looking at the "Gazzew Boba U4 Silent Tactile Switch" and the Glorious Panda Switch because both were reviewed well and I can get them in EU. But the Kailh Speed Copper are cheaper and "faster" for gaming.
god, i have a g815 with browns and I'm going insane trying to find a freaking switch that will let me use normal ass mx keycaps. the only thing i can think of is swapping out the stems and top housings for v2s and getting the linked keycap extenders 3d printed but at that point is the work and cost even worth it? that's £70 on switches and £60 on extenders. i might as well sell the keyboard at that point and use the £130 plus what i can recoup of the initial cost on a decent custom. www.thingiverse.com/thing:2793403/files
Well if you really want to change the keycaps, one way would be to get the choc-Mx adapter files from thingverse and edit it to fit the Logitech stem. Apart from that I really can’t think of any other way to have Mx caps on the g815 or my g915, and that includes my janky ass modding ideas. Alternatively, and this is gonna be a crazy suggestion, you could mould the profile of your favourite keycaps in silicon, and use a light epoxy to fill it and press the existing keycaps on TOP, this modding the keycaps instead of the switch effectively making your own Logitech LP caps, but that would be tedious and you’ll probably run into a whole slew of other issues. Good luck with your search!
@@fishbuildstuff tweaking 3d models is something I ain't exactly familiar or comfortable with hahahahahahahah *weeps*. I do plan on offloading this keeb at some point, but I made the foolishly sensible decision of refraining from jumping on cheap custom builds so instead of dropping $100 here and $150 there, I can put that money towards something beautiful that will last and allows for more customisation. I know when i'll see it. so in the meantime, while I develop a keycap addition, I would like to be able to at least USE them on something. and the epoxy thing sounds both insane and genius. I might give it a go with one cheap keycap and if it works, make my own video.
Unfortunately, in the space the choices are slim, and even slimmer if you're looking at the V2s. The V2 definitely has a better tactile bump than the V1, however there are way more V1 choc switch options available in the market nowadays. They're cheap, and tactility is a very personal choice, I would suggest getting some switches off aliexpress to try out!
Hey man, nice review! I wanted to ask after 3 years, 2024, what switches do you think are more similar to the magic keyboard? Im asking cuz i got the Nuphy Air 75 v2 - with Wisteria switches. to replace my magic keyboard, and its too noisy for me even the linear options @fishbuilds
I got a keychron K1 and I freaking LOVE IT! but I want to have a very low profile hotswap keyboard. I also got a riser to angle my keyboard for my K1 because I had problems with accidentally hitting CTRL, FN, as well as sometimes the windows button. I want a custom build for hotswappable low profile switches, and I want that keyboard to be low profile, as well, so I can have the thickness of maybe 2 apple keyboards thick. I LOVE the layout of the K1. I want to also create new keycaps, too!. If any of you want to help, hit me up on Discord. B4D-W0LF#9035
Good luck on the build! I have a K1 as well that I was going to do a video on, but it honestly wasn't worth me modding it. Seems like the K3 holds some promise but I think it's an optical board.
Have you tried the Kailh Choc Sunset Tactile Switches. First ever truly tactile Kailh Choc low profile switches. I haven't tried it, looking for reviews!
@@fishbuildstuff I found this video looking for silent low profile switches, so you can imagine my frustration when I go from slightly clicky tactiles to this. XD
@@fishbuildstuff you prefer the v1 or v2? Also, a pcb hot swapable that comes with outemu switch, can i just swap it with cherry's switches? Or doesnt work?
@@memecity6722 The v2 is definitely nicer cause of the compatibility with keycaps which is the biggest problem for the V1. Hotswap PCB with outemu switches should be able to fit cherry switches but some hotswap pcbs have a very tight fit, you might end up bending the pins on the cherry switch. Best to get quite a few extra switches in case any pins break. All the best!
AFAIK the v2 does not have any PCB support at the moment, and the V1 barely has any PCB support. The only one I know for sure is the BM16A macropad that supports the choc switches.
@@fishbuildstuff Thanks for asking. They did fit, but the hotswap sockets made it almost impossible to find feasible wire to work with that was thin and sturdy enough to fit and stay connected. Ended up swapping it out for a Havit KB851L and I'm doing a low profile conversion. I should have the switches and PCB done hopefully today. I'll send you a link with some pics
@@fishbuildstuff Ah, that's the catch. Take a closer look at that havit board. It does have 10 keys. It has a very interesting layout. Plus the project is always fun. Same reason you went with your Taptek over a Drevo Joyeuse.
I own the G915, and the keycaps fit, but unfortunately when I took the 915 apart they face the same problem as the Vinpok, seems like the legs are ever so slightly different. IMHO the LP switches in the G915 are nicer anyway, not by much, but they are slightly nicer.
Are you able to swap the top of the v2 and put it on to the v1??? Slim chance but may be worth looking at. I am going to order a hexgears x1 but I really really don't want the keycaps
Daniel Murphy no unfortunately we won’t be able to do that as the mechanism inside is not the same as well. The best you can do would be to get a choc-Mx adapter. There are models that you have to print on your own but that’s probably the best way to go about it.
I have been experimenting on the Choc Mini over the normal Choc low profile as it is 3mm slimmer, and they screwed up on that big time. Not only does it now require 4 holes for pins, and a massive hole for the bottom on the PCB as it is a huge rectangle, but the overall footprint is slightly smaller than a Choc, so it will fall through a chassis made for the Choc Low profile. Why the hell could they just not keep it the same footprint as the Choc so one then only needed to work on replacing the PCB.. Arghhh
Dimitar Tanev sorting through some issues on the build. Nothing that can’t be sorted, but I’m losing hair by the minute. If you enjoy the series do follow along, I would love to hear all feedback and input! Thanks!
I'm not sure, seems like most low profile boards don't really declare the exact brand of switch they are using most of the time. Check out Nuphy Air75 and the upcoming Air60, looks very promising, using I think gateron MX stem low profile switches.
It is a nice switch! That keyboard you have looks cool as well, what board is it? It looks like way too much lube tho, I would really suggest getting a thin brush and brushing lube into the sides of the stem instead of what you did which could attract a lot of dust and dirt in the long run making your switch scratchy, but if you’re enjoying it thats the most important!
Good video. You mentioned everything important. It's hard at the Moment to choose the right low profile keyboard because they are only a few on the market
Jens it is rather tough, but I think it’s even harder due to the pcbs and keycaps that are available, or rather unavailable. Finding the right pcb and keycaps that can fit a switch then modding the switch from there seems to be the best option right now. Of course, there’s always handwiring but still the keycaps available limit the options. Thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it!
Does anyone know for sure the purpose of the new third pin thats been added, I have a reddragon k619 and I'd like to switch over to these brown switches but the pcb doesnt support the new pin
hey mate is DSA compatible with the v2 switch?
All keycaps are compatible with the V2, as it's not the length of the mounting stem that's different, just the height of the keycaps. If you're thinking of using the V2's in a build, I would suggest that you mount the switches directly to the PCB instead of mounting to the plate, as normal MX keycap profiles seem to extend past the top housing of the switch.
@@fishbuildstuff This makes sense. Worth it for trying.
Sorry for the artifacts in the video not sure what’s going on. I tried triplicating but it still kept happening. Will try to fix it in the next video~
8:18
you go “BUMP”
and i'm like “OH YES”
damn that’s fire
Looking forward to this! I've had two OEM boards with Kailh Choc V1s (Havit HV-KB390L and Gamdias Hermes M3) and while I love the switches, the modding ecosystem is very lacking. Decent custom keycaps and compatible PCBs are nowhere to be found, even OEM and non-OEM Kailh Chocs are incompatible with each other.
Exactly it is so frustrating. Finding key caps is the main issue I feel as we could always resort to hand wiring. Hope that we get some keycap options in the future, fingers crossed!
Maybe they're all incompatible because of legal reasons. MX-style clones and keycaps are so plentiful because the original patent expired, but as far as I know the Kailh choc design isn't that old.
SaHaRaSquad that’s a little confusing seeing as they’re both made by kailh. I’m guessing maybe kailh wants to move on from the v1s but doesn’t make much sense either, can’t really wrap my head around it.
@@fishbuildstuff Ah, I wasn't aware of that. Strange.
There's low profile MX keycap like DSA or VSA. You can use it for V2 kailh Low profile
Definitely. I have DSA and XDA caps coming in and I’ll see what I can do with the v2s!
Hey man, any update on whether DSA keycaps work better with the v2 switches with plate mounting? Also, is there potentially a pcb-mount variant of the v2s (I mean with the two extra tabs at the bottom to snap into the PCB)? Thanks!
@@fishbuildstuff Did you check/ test the DSA or XDA keycaps on the Kailh Brown V2s? I am even considering Plate -less / PCB mounted to avoid bottom out clash.
Hey!! Thanks for this video showcasing these rarer niche (?) switches. How does the Choc low profile V2 Browns compare with cherry MX Browns and/or Kailh Box browns? Thanks!
Hey thanks for the comment! I think if you are comparing tactility they are kind of similar, however with the V2 LP you are pretty much bottoming out with every single keystroke so it does feel a lot less plush than say a lubed and filmed MX brown. That being said, if you can find springs to fit it I think heavier springs on the V2 LP would definitely help the feel of it.
I have a choc v1 board, and I've been wanting to replace the keycaps for ages but I don't like flats.
This comparison is reallly useful since I would have never known how different the housing is for V2, nobody really showcases this. Alas swapping the two for keycap compatibility is not really feasible.
I'd love to make a board with the new browns and put it in my laptop. PCB or handwired. (likely handwired on a 3d printed plate)
Thoughts?
Finn K I’m guessing you meant for your laptop unless you don’t want to close it ever again haha. I doubt the switch plus caps would be low enough to fit in anY laptop. I think it would be a pretty fun project, but do get the switches in and get all the measurements cause from what I’ve learnt so far the dimensions vary ever so slightly. Sheeepman on reddit made a pcb macroboard for the v2 but it’s still in development. His video on the v2 should be the first result when you search the v2 on RUclips. Looks promising and can’t wait for that, I think he released the working files on that as well if you want to go the pcb route. I also have plans for the v2 so do keep posted I’ll be releasing videos on it soon! Thanks for the support!
@@fishbuildstuff In theory, depending on the internals, if I remove the stock keyboard, it'll only poke out a little and the lid would close at a slight angle.
I'll probably never do it 😂 but it'd be cool to see if it was even possible.
I'll check out the PCB.
Finn K haha it sounds like a cool project. Assuming that it’s a laptop with a slightly recessed keyboard like this gaming laptops that have advertised mech switches, I’m guessing it might be possible, but the height of the v2 with key caps is rather tall. I’m guessing if it was going to work you might have better chances with the v1. If you ever do it, pls post an update!
Maybe new Kailh x switches will work..
thank for the video, it's kinda hard to find the comparison of these
Thanks for watching! It seems like there are more and more V2 style switches available in new boards like the Nuphy Air75 and the upcoming Air60.
Get the pulsar low profile keycaps, and you get it
Interesting, that should fit nicely on the V2s.
what's the point of these if they can't be used in most pcbs
I don't understand why the mounting system is different from MX, but 'traditionally' choc switches have been used in DIY and handwired builds, although there are more hotswap low profile boards being sold nowadays.
should i get low profile jades or normal jades
it definitely depends on the keyboard you are using and whether it is made to accept low profile switches or regular cherry style switches.
Btw, they are kailh switches, just modified. I just took out the keycap on my G915 and it does say Kailh on the switch.
Oh that's interesting, maybe they used different ones for different batches, seems like my G915s say gateron on them if I recall correctly.
@@fishbuildstuff in the video it also says kailh
7:11 english accent
are the keycap fro my k1 v4 customizable?
unfortunately what you get from keychron is what you end up with AFAIK
Is it possible to resolver a g915 and put choc v2 switches on it?
Hi, I doubt it will be possible unless you really mod it by extending the lego with wiring etc, imho not worth it as the g915 is pretty expensive. In regards to your previous question about fitment yes the v2 can fit normal keycaps, but when bottoming out the keycap might hit the case/plate.
V3 waiting room I guess .............. 🙄
One can dream; I highly doubt there would be a V3 tho. Since the release of the V2, there hasn't been any new development on the switch, however the V1 has had more variants, so make of that what you will I guess.
*_choccy milk_*
Milky....cherry???
Do 1.5mm switches fit normal keycaps
For keycaps you need to look at the stem of the switch, most switches come with MX mount stems so they fit most aftermarket keycaps. These switches unfortunately have a specialised mount and that makes aftermarket caps hard to find.
do normal keycaps fit the v2s?
MX mount caps fit, but you might end up hitting the plate if it's plate mounted!
Вот поэтому и боюсь покупать механику, а то тоже стану кнопкодрочером и свитчефилом.
I use HAVIT keyboards. They have custom Kailh choc switches, but still pretty much choc. I bought a G915 (TKL) after two years of using HAVIT, ended up returning the Logitech. Too expensive for what I would describe as a $100 keyboard.
Honestly the best thing about the logitech is the lightspeed wireless tech, everything else is really average.
Ig this build never finish
the build is actually complete, although I have been on a hiatus. cheers!
are they compatible if we hot-swap them to conventional switches keyboard?
unfortunately not, as the mounting pins are of a different configuration.
Do the V2's have more or less stem wobble? And which version is smoother? I have some white and red V1's and their stem wobble isn't terrible but I'm wondering if the V2's improved in that area. Thanks!
I wouldn't say they improved or gotten worse. The amount of wobble is very similar, just that V1's have more north south wobble, while the V2's kinda wobble all around, albeit less.
4:42 that is the most annoying sound I have ever heard from a keyboard. Worst click noise ever. Waaaaay too heavy as well. You clearly have very niche preferences.
I apologise. It works nicely for the capslock tho, at least for me haha.
I would love to see your g915 being customized to sound good. Because Im planning to get their white because It looks so good and there’s just no other wireless like it.
But the sound is meh. It just doesn’t have that “thoncc”
I think it's quite impossible to get any sort of thoc from this keeb. A lot of the sound not only comes from the switch, but also the case, and there just isn't enough space in both the low profile switch and case to get any lower frequencies that we find pleasing in thocky keebs. I would imagine the best we could do would be to eliminate as much rattle as possible, but even so that would be a challenge as the stabs for these LP switches are literally a piece of wire clipped to the keycap.
@@fishbuildstuff Oh I see, I just didn't find any alternatives to g913 tkl though, because it's just white :D and I just can't find any with reliable wireless conn. And I'm looking at other youtube videos, and the sound is not bad but you're right it's far from the mech sound that we love. My original plan is to get one for myself and try out lubing the stabs for starters, especially that spacebar which is so eeewww. But now you've mentioned this, do you actually think lubing the stabs will pretty much do nothing to solve the rattle?
@@MizzenInflerro It did reduce the rattle when I lubed my stabs with dielectric grease, but the effect is not as great as lubing a standard mx stab would be.
@@fishbuildstuff Hey man! I just got mine. and the sounds isn't that all bad actually. Thought I wasn't expecting the head of this keyboard to be large. Anyways, I'm hearing so much rattle with the keycaps, have you tried any solution to stabilizing that ? like lubing or maybe O-rings ?
@@MizzenInflerro Congrats! I did use O-rings but they made the keyboard really unreliable and mushy. Honestly not much I can think of to fix that rattle. Between how the keycaps are mounted to the switch and the tolerances in the switches itself, there isn't much that can be done. The best I can imagine would be lubing and filming the switch, then swapping out the springs, but then again that's a HUGE project seeing as you have to get the right springs, probably mod some films for it to fit the switches, not to mention desoldering every single switch.
The Nuphy air 75 is a pretty great low profile board, but this was made 2 years ago so it wasn't out yet 😅.
Yes, I'm waiting on the presale of the air60, so glad that the hobby has more low profile keebs that aren't just ortholinear or DIY handwired builds.
Can i use them on a Wormier k87 hot-swappable? The keyboard can use standard cherry mx and gateron switches can i use low profile
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Unfortunately, the mounts are not the same. Any keyboard that accepts standard MX mount (cherry, gateron etc) would not be able to fit low profile switches.
I really wish they kept the old pin and keycap layout, with the updates in actuation. Especially for the browns... I've got a Drevo Joyuse with red switches and I've been trying to get more tactility, without resorting to clickies. The hunt continues, maybe a spring swap might help.
Isaiah Scott yeah I get what you mean. The new stem and tactility is pretty nice but the pins are a problem. I’ve taken to modding my vinpok taptek, almost done but it’s a huge pain
It's Otamu?
It's a Kailh Switch!
i didn't watch the full review but which one has short total travel distance ? choc or choc v2 ?
The travel distance feels almost identical, but if I were to nitpick, the V2 would feel slightly longer.
amazing video! thank you!!
I wanted to confirm that I can take the V2 of the Kailh Switch and put it on my Logitech G915 and use the HyperX Pudding Keycaps that are used only with "Cherry MX Switches". Is this V2 going to work the same way?
Hey have you done it? Im looking into replacing the switches on my g915 aswell, but since he mentioned that the round pin in the middle is bigger i dont know if it will work out
Love the vibe of the video
Thank you!
I designed a keycap for it, to be 3dprinted in resin, I'm waiting to arrive
Oh that sounds exciting looking forward to seeing it!! I imagine it’d be pretty sick. What profile did you design it in?
@@fishbuildstuff i don't know how to send you pictures of it, but it's kinda a "smashed" DSA keycap. I'm struggling with resin warping now, it's a challenge print a spacebar :(
@@soyo Oh yeah definitely, the warping is a challenge. I don't know too much about solving it but seems like finding a balance between the heating and print speed is what I've seen online for people trying to fix the warping. Especially with something as large as a spacebar it's gonna be annoying. Good luck!
@@soyo might try adding some ribs about 1/2 the wall thickness across the big flat surfaces on the inside...
where did you get the keycaps for these :0
Gabrielle Cruz the keycaps for the v1 I harvested off the vinpok taptek, which you can see in my other videos. The v2 are MC mounts which fit most keycaps.
have you compared the kailh choc v1 switches with the custom Logitech Kailh switches? I would like to know how the buttom layout compares and if I can change the switches of the G915
From what I see, the pins that connect the switch to the PCB for the G915 are slightly different from the stock kailh ones. You probably have to bend the pins a little to fit them on. The switch itself is very similar to stock kailh chocs (G915 browns vs Kailh choc browns), so much so I could not tell a difference. I think only if you are looking to change it to the navy switches which have a very different feel from the stock blues, I wouldn't look into replacing the switches. At most, desoldering everything to lube and maybe do a spring swap.
Any recommendation on where to buy low profile pbt keycaps? Seems impossible to find anywhere
Yeah pretty much impossible to find specifically PBT keycaps, your best bet would be ABS caps on aliexpress
This was really thorough. Thanks.
Awesome thanks! I was most interested in the tactility of the new V2 brown since I once heard the V1 feel like diarrhea or some shit lol
Of course this is a bit stupid, new PCB layout and old MX keycaps don't REALLY fit either.
But I'll most likely be hand wiring anyways.
Honestly...V2's are better but you would really have to want low profile switches, and on top of that to get more tactility you'll really want to mod every single switch. Probably lighter springs or compound springs with some way to stiffen up the leaf. Good luck on your build!
@@fishbuildstuff I plan to build with full sizes keys for now and get some testers to see what I like. Because honestly I don't know!
I actually like the tactility of the apple magic keyboard. They have only 0.86mm activation and 1.15 travel and 36g force. But not sure if I'd prefer real mechanical tactile keys.
I might try these Kailh Speed Copper, they have a bit tactility and 1.1 activation, maybe I can just reduce the amount of travel they give with a 3D printed shield on top of the keys.
@@dejayrezme8617 I get what you mean. For me I tried topre, alps orange, and also holy pandas, and I ended up using kailh plums as my daily which is really really close to what I was used to. If you like lighter switches you could look at the plum line or just get lighter springs for it!
@@fishbuildstuff Thanks, one more to check out :) I'm also looking at the "Gazzew Boba U4 Silent Tactile Switch" and the Glorious Panda Switch because both were reviewed well and I can get them in EU.
But the Kailh Speed Copper are cheaper and "faster" for gaming.
Any video that describes the overpriced unreliable Apple keyboard as a "piece of sh!t" deserves a like from me!!!
Thank you. The hate I hold for that keyboard is...I'm sure you feel it too.
where can i pick up a pack of those low profile keycaps?
I got them from aliexpress, there are way more variants now.
if you ordered the keychron k1 lately you should get the V4 right? would love to hear your thoughts on it :)
Yep I ordered the V4, should be gateron LP switches. I’ll post a video when I receive it!
use dsa keycaps and let them hit the plate i feel like it would have a nice sound especially on a pc plate
That would definitely be interesting, but probably wouldn't feel the best
god, i have a g815 with browns and I'm going insane trying to find a freaking switch that will let me use normal ass mx keycaps. the only thing i can think of is swapping out the stems and top housings for v2s and getting the linked keycap extenders 3d printed but at that point is the work and cost even worth it? that's £70 on switches and £60 on extenders. i might as well sell the keyboard at that point and use the £130 plus what i can recoup of the initial cost on a decent custom. www.thingiverse.com/thing:2793403/files
Well if you really want to change the keycaps, one way would be to get the choc-Mx adapter files from thingverse and edit it to fit the Logitech stem. Apart from that I really can’t think of any other way to have Mx caps on the g815 or my g915, and that includes my janky ass modding ideas. Alternatively, and this is gonna be a crazy suggestion, you could mould the profile of your favourite keycaps in silicon, and use a light epoxy to fill it and press the existing keycaps on TOP, this modding the keycaps instead of the switch effectively making your own Logitech LP caps, but that would be tedious and you’ll probably run into a whole slew of other issues. Good luck with your search!
@@fishbuildstuff tweaking 3d models is something I ain't exactly familiar or comfortable with hahahahahahahah *weeps*. I do plan on offloading this keeb at some point, but I made the foolishly sensible decision of refraining from jumping on cheap custom builds so instead of dropping $100 here and $150 there, I can put that money towards something beautiful that will last and allows for more customisation. I know when i'll see it. so in the meantime, while I develop a keycap addition, I would like to be able to at least USE them on something. and the epoxy thing sounds both insane and genius. I might give it a go with one cheap keycap and if it works, make my own video.
Sarah Sahim that would be sick can’t wait to see you do it. Would make a real interesting video for sure!
What would you say are the best low profile tactile switches?
Unfortunately, in the space the choices are slim, and even slimmer if you're looking at the V2s. The V2 definitely has a better tactile bump than the V1, however there are way more V1 choc switch options available in the market nowadays. They're cheap, and tactility is a very personal choice, I would suggest getting some switches off aliexpress to try out!
What about the roccat Vulcan, in my idea it’s small but still great
Not sure which you are referring to, google only shows me huge full size keebs, unless that was the point then the joke really knocked me out.
Hey man, nice review! I wanted to ask after 3 years, 2024, what switches do you think are more similar to the magic keyboard?
Im asking cuz i got the Nuphy Air 75 v2 - with Wisteria switches.
to replace my magic keyboard, and its too noisy for me even the linear options @fishbuilds
I got a keychron K1 and I freaking LOVE IT! but I want to have a very low profile hotswap keyboard. I also got a riser to angle my keyboard for my K1 because I had problems with accidentally hitting CTRL, FN, as well as sometimes the windows button. I want a custom build for hotswappable low profile switches, and I want that keyboard to be low profile, as well, so I can have the thickness of maybe 2 apple keyboards thick. I LOVE the layout of the K1. I want to also create new keycaps, too!. If any of you want to help, hit me up on Discord. B4D-W0LF#9035
Good luck on the build! I have a K1 as well that I was going to do a video on, but it honestly wasn't worth me modding it. Seems like the K3 holds some promise but I think it's an optical board.
@@fishbuildstuff So you can’t use an mechanic switches on optical board?
@@akinoz Nope you wont be able to AFAIK, they actuate with completely different mechanisms.
Have you tried the Kailh Choc Sunset Tactile Switches. First ever truly tactile Kailh Choc low profile switches. I haven't tried it, looking for reviews!
Is v2 compatible with the logitech pcb? G613 (linear romer-g) to be specific.
Excellent video. Anyone who calls out Apple's overpriced keyboards as sh!t deserves extra points!
As soon as you said "clicky" I almost threw my phone. :I
Haha well the clicky one is the only way you get any form of feasible tactility anyway.
@@fishbuildstuff I found this video looking for silent low profile switches, so you can imagine my frustration when I go from slightly clicky tactiles to this. XD
Where'd you get the v2 brown switches? I can't find them :(
I found them on AliExpress, there should be an official Kailh seller on there!
@@fishbuildstuff I checked the kailh ali shop and didn't find them 🤔 maybe they aren't available any more?
@@fishbuildstuff you prefer the v1 or v2?
Also, a pcb hot swapable that comes with outemu switch, can i just swap it with cherry's switches? Or doesnt work?
@@memecity6722 The v2 is definitely nicer cause of the compatibility with keycaps which is the biggest problem for the V1. Hotswap PCB with outemu switches should be able to fit cherry switches but some hotswap pcbs have a very tight fit, you might end up bending the pins on the cherry switch. Best to get quite a few extra switches in case any pins break. All the best!
what pcb can these be used on?
AFAIK the v2 does not have any PCB support at the moment, and the V1 barely has any PCB support. The only one I know for sure is the BM16A macropad that supports the choc switches.
Thank you for the video!! Very insightful for the newbie :)))
I kinda wonder, can you "cannibalize" the top of V2 into V1?
Damn, nice video!
Thank you!
V2 still work with using damper o ring, 2-3 of them
is any of those low profil swithes compatible wtih outemu low profile ones?
he v2 are compatible with cherry mx hot swap??
I was finally able to buy some Choc V2s. Now I just need to mod them to be usable in my Drop Shift and test out some Spring Swaps
Do they fit the Drop Shift? IIRC the Shift uses standard MC switches no? How has that project come along?
@@fishbuildstuff Thanks for asking. They did fit, but the hotswap sockets made it almost impossible to find feasible wire to work with that was thin and sturdy enough to fit and stay connected. Ended up swapping it out for a Havit KB851L and I'm doing a low profile conversion. I should have the switches and PCB done hopefully today. I'll send you a link with some pics
@@isaiah123456wp7 Sounds awesome, would love to see it. Although if you want a TKL low profile, why didn't you go with the keychron k1?
@@fishbuildstuff Ah, that's the catch. Take a closer look at that havit board. It does have 10 keys. It has a very interesting layout. Plus the project is always fun. Same reason you went with your Taptek over a Drevo Joyeuse.
@@isaiah123456wp7 - Curious if you had an update on the LP mods you were doing?
What is the second spring (torsion spring) purpose in v2 ?
Can't find any keyboards with Kailh Choc V2 Browns. How come? I was so excited.
Makes you wonder why they even bothered making those switches if you can't even use them lmfao.
We're waiting on part 2...
It's up on the channel!
@@fishbuildstuff OK, I was hoping that you use choc V2 switches and waiting for that...
Can I change the Switches on the logitech G915 ? Anyone Knows that?
I own the G915, and the keycaps fit, but unfortunately when I took the 915 apart they face the same problem as the Vinpok, seems like the legs are ever so slightly different. IMHO the LP switches in the G915 are nicer anyway, not by much, but they are slightly nicer.
i just ordered kailh choc low profile keycaps thinking they would work on on my g815 :(
The keycaps probably would, since the G915 keycaps fit on my kailh choc switches.
Are you able to swap the top of the v2 and put it on to the v1??? Slim chance but may be worth looking at. I am going to order a hexgears x1 but I really really don't want the keycaps
Daniel Murphy no unfortunately we won’t be able to do that as the mechanism inside is not the same as well. The best you can do would be to get a choc-Mx adapter. There are models that you have to print on your own but that’s probably the best way to go about it.
Hi, what profile keycap is this? It looks like DSA.
If you are talking about the blue keycap, it is an OEM profile.
Thank you
Those are the GL switch of the G915?
FramedThunder nope these are the kailh choc switches, the GL switch is compared in the video that’s on my g915!
Nice! Where did you get the V2 switches from?
I found the v2 switches on alilexpress, but I wouldn't suggest getting them unless you're ready to do a handwired build.
I have been experimenting on the Choc Mini over the normal Choc low profile as it is 3mm slimmer, and they screwed up on that big time. Not only does it now require 4 holes for pins, and a massive hole for the bottom on the PCB as it is a huge rectangle, but the overall footprint is slightly smaller than a Choc, so it will fall through a chassis made for the Choc Low profile. Why the hell could they just not keep it the same footprint as the Choc so one then only needed to work on replacing the PCB.. Arghhh
Great video. Can't wait for the next one.
Damn, it's already out.
Dimitar Tanev sorting through some issues on the build. Nothing that can’t be sorted, but I’m losing hair by the minute. If you enjoy the series do follow along, I would love to hear all feedback and input! Thanks!
swapable keys not so economic and short product life, just get $50 average mechanical keyboard, and use for two years and change another one after.
True. If only everyone on r/mk would heed that advise we would all have so much more money to spend on...idk. food? rent?
"oohp, there you go" sounds like how most of us lost our virginity
i...yes.
is there any boards that come with the Kailh Choc V2's already installed besides the Fnatic Streak65
I'm not sure, seems like most low profile boards don't really declare the exact brand of switch they are using most of the time. Check out Nuphy Air75 and the upcoming Air60, looks very promising, using I think gateron MX stem low profile switches.
In this case the v2 kailh compatible with g915 pcb?
I have a keyboard with kailh Choc and I like it for krl, I even made a video lubing this switch
It is a nice switch! That keyboard you have looks cool as well, what board is it? It looks like way too much lube tho, I would really suggest getting a thin brush and brushing lube into the sides of the stem instead of what you did which could attract a lot of dust and dirt in the long run making your switch scratchy, but if you’re enjoying it thats the most important!