She is a hundred percent right about us not having a sense of community. People can live their entire lives in the same neighborhood and not know who their neighbors are.
This is absolutely correct. In the US, we don't have a sense of community. We are distrustful and suspicious of others and wary of letting anyone get too close. Our children grow up with 2 working parents, bullied at school and online, traumatized by regular mass shooter drills, and then we push our children out at the age of 18. Other cultures such as Polynesian, Indian, and Hispanic cultures have strong family ties, community support, and regular family gatherings that make up a healthy and strong support system. In these cultures, children have numerous family members around them and raising them.
I live in an apartment building with primarily Hispanic neighbors and I rarely see anyone interact with each other. I do know my American neighbors and would like to know all my neighbors. Seems like people are standoff-ish or distant no matter what.
@@jonnuanez7183people are just untrusting today. I try to be nice and start conversations but most people have no interest. Must be me😂 but I just moved to this town and it’s not like where I came from.
Mark’s interviewing skills really shine on this one. She didn’t want to give any individual stories so he quickly switched to general questions. He met her where she was instead of trying to force her into talking about what he wanted to talk about.
As a european, I have to react to that we are "lightyears ahead". I live in a country that have one of the lowest imprisonments. If you are convicted for rape, you're out of prison in under 2 years. Murder, often out in under 8 years. This do not "work". The people here don't feel safe and the victims get humiliated by the system that are set up to protect, "rehabilitate" and understand the offenders. We have psycopats, serialkillers and sexual offenders in Europe too.
I listened to her say that and was like, yeah sure they don't. I'm glad you spoke out. People seem to think Europe is this perfect utopia and its not, not even close.
As someone living in A europian country... The fact that some think the punishment is not enough as in years, doesn't mean that it is better to put people away for longer.
Everyone is upset that she isn’t over sharing but honestly she gives “I’m a researcher and have guarded conversations with serial killers” I would not expect her to be bubbly and outgoing
Loved the interview, but Mark was pulling teeth.... I think she was nervous and guarded. Thank you for great work Laura. I can so relate to reading the Nancy Drew books at 10ish.
Painful that Mark was struggling finding good questions to ask. He wasnt prepared enough for this interview in my opinion. This lady was holding back a lot of information and knowledge obviously.
I personally found this interview very frustrating. Mark asked multiple times to give some examples and stories as she has interviewed 100s of serial killers. She kept saying I have so many, and I bet she does, but I found her answers vague and generic.i know she mentioned some names but In comparison, some of the cops mark interviewed gave detailed stories and examples. I know she has lots of inside stories, but she didn't tell.
@@AndyPanda3 true I was thinking this. However if she give 2 or 3 really good stories it would be a great advertisement for her future book. I was very interested in the topic and you know she has stories. She knows these guys. I was hoping for some interesting details.
I dated a girl during my college years who ended up getting a master's degree in criminal psychology, and has been working with serial killers for decades now. It takes a particular kind of person to get into this sort of work, and bravery is an absolutely necessary prerequisite. Kudos to this lady for performing such a harrowing task.
This interview is paiiinful. She seems to struggle to get it out or to have the interview flow. Its not surprising given what she deals with but interesting that she needs to make the convicted comfortable so that they confess.
She made a point I felt was startling. The thought of the younger generations growing up with unrestricted, instant access to deviant and demented porn, is truly horrific!
@@beeatomsyour right. I remember a contemporary theory class in a university where a student suggested different forms of television being the source of deviance; ultimately or empirically its not. Violence is as old as man.
@@blasvasco Not everybody with a particular deviance from average commits a crime. Everybody who commits a crime deviates from the average, whether you're referring to sexual or any other behaviour. Even if every sexual criminal was found with pornography specific to their crimes, which would be hard to verify, that would not indicate causality.
I remember watching an interview on here with some necrophiliac and what he talked about. He talked about some of the people he's met who were pedophiles and into hurtcore. Even raping babies. That evil shit does go on out there more than we think. There's been times where i let my morbid curiosity get the best of me about what really goes on in the world. Let's just say i look at people differently now. Monster's are real and they walk by us everyday. Keep your kids safe. Peace
Monsters are real. As hard as it is for people to listen to those victimized by them it’s important to hear those stories…..Or listen to the monsters themselves explain what they do and how they get away with it. Shed a bright light into those dark corners where they live. Expose them for what they are and educate people. As a young girl I put myself in some very dangerous situations and frankly it’s only through stupid luck or angels watching over me I wasn’t hurt or worse.
I think that people who feel that they’ve been cast out of society and treated as unwanted, tend to view society as the enemy, and lash out in the most extreme and volatile ways possible
This is a real frustrating interview. She kept talking about how she had "so many stories" but Mark had to pry to get any detail. What detail we did get was very shallow. Talking about childhood neglect and stuff we _basically_ already knew.
@@Bilow_Selhi She reminds me of one of those people who are obsessed and infatuated with serial killers. Like they chase their obsession, but they don’t really add anything positive or conclusive or scientific to the discussion.
Couldn’t agree more. I don’t think she even knows what format the interviews typically take. Mark having to probe continuously for us to learn anything remotely substantive was just annoying. If this is supposed to be a rollout for her book/research this was an epic fail for me
I've seen Laura Brand be interviewed multiple times for her ongoing study and I can't tell you how revolutionary it's going to be in the field once it's published. She's a frickin hero and has incredible work from what she has shared throughout this decade. Also for preface, Brand has to be private about her research until it's published as it's part of the general ethical code in Psychology/HIPPA related fields so if her answers seem short that's probably why. Also, whoever is funding her research may want that privacy as well until publishing.
right. and it's a 'who is funding this?' question. paradoxically, she's more than happy to be interviewed about her research. this seems puzzling to me. all of soft white underbelly interviews, at their essence, seem puzzling to me....
She boasted at the beginning about having conducted the largest collective study on serial killers with over 50 separate interiews, even more than the FBI! Then proceeded to say basically nothing that the average joe didn't already know. And no, its not because of confidentiality because shs could quite easily tell detailed, indepth stories, without mentioning the persons name. This leaves me wondering if she's really qualified to do this work because she had "nothing" to say!? Mark had to constantly prompt her to speak otherwise this interview would of been over with in 5 minutes. Very disappointing!
Also, what are her credentials? She said nothing about her education. Maybe because she doesn't have one and from the way she carried herself it became more and more apparent. She doesn't talk like a researcher, she's not elaborate enough as if she doesn't really know her stuff, just being superficial, not adding much to the conversation. She got most of her info/stories from watching Mindhunter a few times. That's my guess anyway.
I was disappointed as well. She showed no passion or enthusiasm for what she claimed was a life long obsession for her. She gave no insight, told no interesting anecdotes, and just seemed bored by the whole thing. The whole interview could have been informative and interesting, instead it was just tedious and dull.
Agreed , hard work for Mark , it’s as if he was having to constantly ask questions , nothing was spontaneous . Could have been interesting but i could almost feel Mark working hard to get an interesting interview .
Copy pasta from another reply: "Its not uncommon for writers to be somewhat reclusive individuals, as the task of writing requires a lot of alone time. Since speaking and writing are two completely separate skill sets, I bet you that reading her work would be a lot more engaging than listening to her talk about it."
She just seemed nervous to me. Also, like someone said writers and minds like hers might not be the best speakers. She seemed very knowledgeable to me. I think it did seem harder for mark as he had to peel the details out of her but maybe she can get a part two and feel more comfortable.
Keep in mind that she has interviewed hundreds of these killers. She probably so accustomed to the horrible stories that it seems nothing to her now so asking her to pick one is like asking a bus driver to tell you the craziest rider they ever had. You become numbed but you know you've seen some crazy ass people.
What a dud of an interviewee. “Tell me some of your stories.” Proceeds to not tell any story. “Why do you think we have these issues?” “True crime is shoved down our throats.” Lady, you’re a true crime writer.
she’s an interviewer, i’m sure she felt awkward being the one answering questions. not only that but mark being like “tell me an interesting story” is so vague. it’d be hard for anyone to answer that bc like … what do you want to know ?? he couldve been more specific
Its not uncommon for writers to be somewhat reclusive individuals, as the task of writing requires a lot of alone time. Since speaking and writing are two completely separate skill sets, I bet you that reading her work would be a lot more engaging than listening to her talk about it.
She could be on the shy side, also she may not realize just how intriguing this subject is to the audience. She said this comes natural to her therefore doesn't see her work being that interesting to others
I think Mark should do part 2 with Laura, where she actually share some of the stories and not only share the dynamics of her working operations. That was what I expected reading the title. You could see how uncomfortable she was throughout the dialogue.
Check out Mr. Black’s “Scream For Me” … I believe she is far more forthcoming about the Toolbox Killers and their characteristics. Viewer discretion advised however… it will help you at least understand why in this interview she is somewhat closed off
Holy crap my heart stopped when she mentioned Wayne Adam ford. I didn’t think he would be an interviewee. He lived with my family during his active killing spree. He worked with my dad and started renting a room in our house when his wife left him. He turned himself in because he knew he was going to kill his ex wife and he didn’t want to leave his daughter without a mom. I was a kid, but there’s photos of all of us in my scrap books. Such a trip.
Yes. A lady named Lauren interviewed Sam Little and said the same thing about all of his victims. Sam did drawings on his victims. She has them to look at and wonder who they are. Incredibly sad for the families.
yeah I guess I never knew before that once they are sentenced the case is basically closed. that must be SO hard for some of those families to not ever get that kind of closure. it is really heartfelt that she is trying to help those families.
Having information is one thing, being able to convey that information is a much different skill set. That’s why there are good teachers and bad teachers. If she got some training, she could be a fantastic speaker.
For someone who allegedly knows so much I learned so little… I feel like this is a ego boost for her but she doesn’t know that much when it comes down to it
Yes. This is obviously the case in my opinion. She can’t answer the questions eloquently so it means that she doesn’t know much about the subject matter
Know that most move among you, in plain sight, because the more some people think they know, the more protected they think they are. Too much TV, too many so called experts, and the underworld laughs at them. Let's just say I had an interesting childhood /life in general, and I have personally known some 'edgy' folks. I have also known victims, one who was a coworker. This guy killed her mother, doubled back to pick up her daughter , and then killed her with his hands. The next day after I saw them heading to her house, I was told she was killed and I knew it had to be him. On the way ,we were on the same train and we had locked eyes, and I saw inside of him, and when I testified at the trial, we locked eyes again as I told the court it was him. I will never forget the understanding at that moment, when I knew he was gone forever, and he knew it too. I think it's been about 5 men I personally knew that r-ped or murdered someone in cold blood, and about 5 victims. All of this was in the news. I see these kind of men here and there, and we know who we are. I taught my daughters what to look for, my sister and my female friends, who sometimes do not listen. My father was a sociopath, so I learned early on what conditioning was, the effects, and how manipulative/dangerous people move. People get some bad advice and misinformation, and too many women like to argue, threaten, and push buttons, and they need to be way more careful of that. Sometimes being right or thinking you're right, and winning a simple argument or emasculating someone can place you in harm's way. I like this platform because it speaks to me about the kinds of people I have spent a lot of time with,and I will leave it at that..
@@michaels8607 Yes, I agree that trying to educate women about this type of thing falls on deaf ears. They either don’t care or think that they’d be able to spot dangerous predators
@@big_red_machine3547 They will keep choosing wrong because they go for money, they go for men who tell them what they want to hear, and they get reeled in. Guys like me who study all the time/STEM thinkers, people who avoid any drugs, people who do not 'party', we are boring to them. Understand we already know with flashing money, cars, and perceived power, we can easily snare you. There's a channel right now about golddiggers. The guy will dress normally and ask a woman out, she looks at him with disdain and says no. As she is walking away, he goes to his $200,000+ sportscar, and she rushes back to him,and then gives him some play. This guy repeats this same exact ruse, over and over, and they ALL ,do a 180. Then he dismisses them and leaves them there looking foolish.
Exactly. When I saw a serial killer researcher was being interviewed on this channel, I immediately knew something must be off with them, and you hit the nail on the head!
Googling her it doesn’t show her Education or Licenses. It variously describes her as an Author / Investigative Journalist and “The Siren of San Quentin”. Her sex appeal is a piece of the puzzle. Whatever she learned is for the book, the podcasts, the notoriety, not a Scientific Study. She seems to be a devoted Fan of these men and their worlds.
@@raymckigney2118 I agree and her saying she was “destin” to do this job like girl whAt. And the way she’s not giving details about certain situations that mark kept asking about as if it only something she wants to keep to herself as if she’s “special” and nobody can know because it’s between her and the killers 😂
“I’m going to talk for 30 minutes but I’m not going to say anything. I’ll be as general and vague as possible. However, the book will be coming out soon!” Will the book be as boring as this interview? The word for today is “ psychopathy” because it was used 100 times!
Exactly...thank you for pointing that out. I think that was why I just sensed her being arrogant in some way. I was just irritated with this interview. She did not come across as a great academic, even.
Try doing what she does. She doesn't want to share things because you don't want to know. It's very difficult to do this type of work. People think that people who study serial killers are freaks.
Really??? It's the job of the interviewer to make their subject open up. He failed to do that. Mark didn't even ask her about her education and where she works now. On many occasions, her descriptions and colloquialisms were so simple and unqualified that they needed follow-up questions (e.g., the statement that chemical castration definitely works - that's absolutely NOT the case; and that police and psychiatrists in Europe are "light years ahead" in their research - also, absolutely NOT true. Police in every European country regularly consults with FBI because FBI started their research into SK decades earlier and assembled far more information). And, those awkward pauses after every sentence, uhhhh. This as painful to watch. He has to research his subjects prior to the interview, and ask them difficult questions that actually produce a cohesive story. This was not done.
@@katemangos1705 I have to agree at least to the extent that he probably should have just discarded the whole interview. I would be shocked to find out that she isn't in fact a complete fake. Shame on Mark for doing this and not doing any kind of pre-interview. I know you want it raw and uncensored, but you want to at least ensure that there is water in the pool before diving in.
I guess, I felt differently about this interview than many commenters here. As a clinician, I felt this interviewee was forthcoming and offered very interesting facts about her career and the subjects she studies. Thanks, Mark.
Right! Not sure how much I could say safely. She wants to continue her studying which means face to face with them. Maybe one of the explosive men would react if he found out. IDK!
She opened up more in the last 10 min of the interview. I would really like to see another interview with her, I think this barely scratched the surface and there's so much to learn.
She nailed it about having family, togetherness, and community. In US after a certain age, no one communicates with cousin, uncles, aunts on regular basis. Hell, even with parents and siblings. It’s a very ISOLATED SOCIETY, lots of self centered mentality. In many countries, families are extremely tight, and communication is on daily basis.
I'm 29 and I live in New York. I don't speak to any of my family on a daily basis except for my mom and even then, that's about once a week, give or take. I rarely attend family gatherings, but my personality is more reserved, so I'm kind of the odd one out in that regard. I work 72-96 hours in the week to support myself and I come from a single family household. Life has never been easy, but I know people who were spoiled and they're worse off and drug addicted. It's a sad situation for sure, and many aren't aware of the issues in this country and feel the need to travel to better the world, not realizing the problems right in front of us.
This is a very sad time in America now. I'm old to young people. But I was raised in detroit, MI in 50s and 60s. We had a fabulous, wonderful family life back then. Lonely society now due to technology. The rise of the Internet has ruined society, especially young people
I was excited about this one but it seems that she's watched Mindhunter a couple of times and all her information comes from that. Like she doesn't really know her stuff. People who know their stuff tend to answer questions not by yes/no but go deeper and tell us things we don't know. She seems intimidated by the questions and unprepared to answer them. Somebody who's been doing this for so long, would keep going on and on.. Also how does someone who can hardly speak make those serial killers confess things to her? I don't know, I dont believe she is who she says she is, she lacks depth and perspective, both of which are earned.
The reaon why there may be less violent criminals in Europe, specifically in Germany for example comes down to health care available to everyone. Your interviewee said one of her serial killers was left to live on the street under the age of 2. This scenerio is highly unlikely in a country where there is access to healthcare and family services for everyone. No one would turn their back on a 2 year old living on the street here in Germany. Second, there is a strong youth support system the first step of which is the child sevices authority or JugendAmt, but this support system offers much more than foster care. This you cannot find in any state in the US currently. There are special schools for all learning and developmental issues including group homes, apprenticeships, therapy programs both in patient and out patient. Even towns as small as 5,000 people have access to a large array of services that simply do not exist in the US. Non-profit organizations such as Lebenshilfe, Caritas, and Diakonie exist in every county in every bundesland in Germany. The current US system does not have these resources.
OMG, she interviewed Lawrence Bittaker. That man was a psychotic monster. He tortured teen girls. One was 15 years old. He audio recorded the torture which was played in the courtroom. People threw up and left the room. He used pliers to pull pieces of the girls body apart...soft areas. She begged him to kill her. He left the body on some poor dudes lawn, naked and shredded. If you want to have a nightmare, look him up. I tell this to show that may of these psychopaths will NEVER be rehabilitated. They get so much joy and sexual satisfaction from torture and death and that can never be gotten out of them.
Now that would have been a good question. I'm not quite through this episode yet ,but I think he missed a lot of good questions. It doesn't even sound like Mark.
Fascinating, I didn't want the interview to end. A lot of those interviewees probably look forward to your visits...seeing that they may have no one that does that at all. Thank you for time and for sharing, Laura. ********* And to any male out there, that didn't have a mom...or had one but she wasn't supportive, was selfish, was absentee, etc., etc... I am truly sorry. I wish I could single-handedly fix that for you. Keep your chin up, regardless. Always know that there are good moms out there that are thinking of you. My life wouldn't be the same if I wasn't the "I got my mom in my corner" kind of person. {{{hugs}}} 💞
You are lucky beyond belief if you have a good mother. Mine is a monster and she has never stopped lying and being deviant. At 83. NPD with a side of paranoid schizophrenia
As someone who has worked as a mental health at a level 4 California prison and interviewed my share of murders and predators I have my suspicions about her. For example, she talks about having easy access to high profile inmates but in California inmates are seen as dependents, you do not get easy access to them. You do not just show up to see them. Secondly, her story of a profiler becoming startled by an inmate but she is not fazed by the similar comments does not make sense. Also, how is she vague with her stories despite "thousands of hours" of contact?
Very interesting interview, clearly Laura is more used to ask questions and listen rather than being interviewed. Would be great to see the second part! What is scary is that her having such a deep knowledge of this theme couldn't predict/affect the situation that happened in her own family. Which obviously puts all her research under the big question and if it's even possible to prevent any situations like that
Mark you have such a good personality and make people feel at ease. I wish she would of shared more stories. Don’t say names but tell us about your interactions.
I don't blame her for not sharing stories because she must maintain a relationship of trust with her subjects. She's exposing herself to not only those in prison but to those who are not in prison but happen to see this interview. She is very careful to keep her comments general rather than specific.
She may be reticent because she doesn't want to appear like she's sensationalizing the facts that drive her work. She may also be trying to respect some modicum of privacy for her subjects.
It's been roughly 7 YEARS (!!) since she started advertising her much anticipated alleged book. It was in 2018 I first came across her while doing an extensive case study on two serial killers who are now deceased. She had exclusive access/ conducted face-to-face interviews with both men. To this day (2023), only about five minutes of audio from her purported 100 + hours of interviews have been released. It was interspersed throughout her 2021 docu - series and it was nothing of substance. The information in the doc was not novel to those already familiar with the case. It's worth noting that much of the information commonly accessible to the general public, such as what can be found on Wikipedia, were omitted from the documentary. Likely due to its extremely disturbing subject matter--- I can understand and sympathize with this executive decision. However.....CONSEQUENTLY, Laura promised to reveal never-before-seen facts and evidence within her upcoming book. Yet, no such information has been disclosed AND the book STILL doesn't have an official release date. Does it exist??? She's been leading people on for YEARS. It's simply unprofessional, ill-advised and in extremely poor taste. Mark getting an answer out of her was like pulling teeth. She shouldn't have done the interview if she can't answer questions! One can only assume she's exaggerating her resources and knowledge. It's likely she's milking every press opportunity as she may not have any other source(s) of income. I stopped following Laura a few years ago, due to my strong frustrations and her various other discrepancies and transgressions. I google her every year or so, HOPING she's FINALLY revealed those long awaited details...only to find painful interviews such as this: filled with an astonishing amount of easily disproven misinformation and where she ultimately divulges... absolutely... nothing.
@@triputu She previously had a 2021 and a 2022 release date. It's 2023 so I'll believe it when i see it. UNFORTUNATELY, she has stated that the book is ONE of a TRILOGY so it seems like a cash grab. Given her track record, i anticipate the books to be filled with fluff and maybe 2% of facts and details no one previously knew about. Her attention seeking behavior only to GATE KEEP information and her experiences is really obnoxious and unethical at this point.
@@okaywow3486 i agree. have you seen the documentary she did on here with "the disturbing truth" ?? i found it to be underwhelming and quite strange but it does have a small amount of new info.
@@triputu Yes. However that's not a documentary. The content creator "The Disturbing Truth" merely included audio of an interview they presumably did with Laura. That video included a lot of misinformation, which Laura herself later confirmed (this was years ago) was untrue. I wanted to hear more about the cabins in Crystal Lake, and Laura did reveal that Leah and Jackie were taken there - something unknown to most of the public. She had previously stated on social media that Lynette Ledford's body was dumped on the ivy bed for a much more "sinister reason", but she continues to GATE KEEP aforementioned information that she purports to have. Her attempts to get people interested by BAITING them with lurid details about the victims and then not giving away anything is extremely inappropriate. At the very LEAST she could pay homage to the victims in her media appearances. I can’t be the only one who longs to know more about the lives of these young girls who were lost too soon. These girls deserve recognition beyond being linked to their killers. There is a podcast I listened to on Spotify that Laura THANKFULLY has ZERO affiliation with called "Killer's Vault", hosted by Elisabeth Rohm and narrated by Eric Roberts. I highly suggest their episode on Bittaker and Norris if you're interested in learning more about them, however be warned as it includes extremely disturbing details. They go into detail about torture which had been omitted from public affidavits and records. This episode provides unprecedented insight into the both of he killers' psychology which is quite impressive.
@@okaywow3486 Yes, I have already listened to that podcast episode. Very informative. Apparently Lynette's body was dumped in front of the house of one of her friends. They followed Lynette and other high school girls home and they knew one of her friends lived there.
She was not as easy to interview as the divorce lawyer who launched into almost a lengthy soliloquy. Since my time as a prosecutor, serial killers have fascinated me. I bet her book will be a bestseller if it's not an overly technical treatise. I wish she had talked more about the co-occurring diagnoses and whether psychotropic drugs help any. I had read injuries to the frontal lobe could contribute because the ability to control impulsive behavior is compromised...maybe that has been discounted. Perhaps she will collaborate with a creative screenplay writer and give us a fascinating movie. Thanks for the interview!
So true, I was going to mention that as well. Head injuries play such a big part in many of these cases from early childhood I have read! Many times the brain has not been able to recover. That is very sad. Meanwhile, I am someone who is still recovering from falling over my dog in a dark hallway two yrs. ago with an awful concussion and eighteen stitches. I broke my eye bone and still have a bump over my eyebrow. My poor husband had to rush me to the ER and I had blood gushing from my head. Be careful dog owners, it happens a lot the doc. told me.
@tambourine36 she has a podcast she shares weekly, and no its not confidential she's just waiting to release a book. And yeah that podcast she can't help but to release some and fuck it's crazy Her main killer lawrence bittaker He's worst of the worst and her book will be mostly about him
She actually said a lot; this goes to show you don’t know nothing she’s talking about. Just cause she didn’t name drop or give details on their murders doesn’t mean she didn’t say something.
As a licensed psychotherapist I worked primarily with juvenile sex offenders years ago. Hallelujah for you! Your research quantifies this population, and is a needed body of work to be utilized by those who follow in our footsteps. Though thought of as monsters, and let’s face it one can argue its truth, the wealth of information provided by their “honesty” will hopefully change the mode of intervention practiced by future clinicians. This is a scary population and most therapists are not equipped to face its challenges. I’m hoping that you can assist in changing that issue.
Wow. As a licensed psychotherapist I would think you would see through her and diagnosis her instead. IE borderline personality disorder. This lady is full of it lol
@@MomsRoots Good morning. I’m intrigued. I’d like to hear your take on this video, and I’m not being snarky, I’m being truthful. Thank you for your feedback thus far.
@@hubbysswee I think she is a fan and not a researcher. Seems like she is inflating reality. She isn’t answering any of the questions but instead talks very vague with little information. She doesn’t know what most of us already know about serial killers. Maybe not BPD but it’s definitely not what she believes it is and not what I see.
@@MomsRoots Yes, I agree with you! Weird to be saying that while looking at my initial comment, but I do see what you’re saying. Intervention with such a volatile population requires a different type of therapeutic approach (I have a feeling you’re aware of its necessity…would you also be an interventionist working with such a population?), and until I saw her from your point of view I assumed she was as doing just that. Is she starstruck? I dunno. Full of it? Quite possibly! I guess I hope she does actually do some helpful work. Am I being too optimistic! 😉 It’s been great interfacing with you, intelligence is so hard to come by! Thank you for answering my comment.
@@MomsRoots - Yes, she's glorifying these convicts to a large extent- like a Fan!!.. I think you really need more education & training to objectively survey these advanced criminals. And the personal hours she is giving them for phone calls is way too flattering & disturbing!.. Here, she's just sharing very naive, well-known, summary viewpoints, rather than true insights, in my opinion!.. Sure, more knowledge is helpful, but I think she needs to be supervised and guided by a specialized medical doctor or psychologist, social worker, etc. (I worked with the MDs, PhDs, & defendants for years in hardcore criminal law!).
Children who don't talk until 6 years old can be extremely intelligent. They are the type that observes and thinks and communicates without words but feelings.
This one was Horrible, Super boring. She said nothing new. After being ask Several times to give him a story she always Wow so many, then nothing. She will need a ghost writer for her book.
@@buggerfiggie8780I’ve seen her interviews before, every time I’ve seen her talk she always mentions the Toy Box killer, so I was actually surprised when she just briefly mentioned him lol
I don’t believe serial killers can be rehabilitated. I don’t believe pedophiles can be rehabilitated. The people who believe and promote that rehabilitation is possible are not the ones who will pay the price when these criminals are let out. Citizens do not deserve this.
EDIT - ok so I googled her since Mark essentially told us nothing about her and she didn't volunteer it. Turns out she has no academic background whatsoever in this field and no professional experience either unless you call 'private investigator' a profession I guess. Bur certainly nothing in academia in criminology or in a specialist unit within an LEA. She does mention an interest in forensics in her bio but appears to have no academic qualifications or professional experience in forensics either. Maybe she has a black light at home though🙄 She tweets that quote "true crime is not a hobby ..it's a lifestyle" I'm sure the parents of the kids that were murdered find all this equally entertaining 😔 Anyway seems all this and other RUclips interviews she's doing currently are just promotion for a book she is flogging soon. Maybe Mark can get us a yoga teacher to talk quantum physics next time, or someone equally well qualified. ---------------- I wonder how "fascinating" they would be if one of them had murdered her kid or someone she cared about. I actually have no idea who this woman is since Mark didn't seem to think it important to ask her at the start or to share that with us if he knows. I gave up watching after 15 minutes as it was so frustrating to listen to and not knowing who she was or anything about her professional experience and academic record in this area made it seem utterly pointless to me. But I do really feel uncomfortable how much we have turned all this into little more than entertainment, with the killers the stars, basically celebraties. Whereas the victims are barely talked about at all. "True crime' RUclipsrs I find are especially awful, just monetizing family tragedies,,but Netflix etc are little better its all just entertainment at the end of the day to them.
Yeah I know that was really awkward it makes you think she's making the whole thing up. It's possible lol. No one's verifying these people stories are they?
What a disappointment of an “interview” was like pulling teeth she barely talked and looked uncomfortable. Why even be on this show and why even release this. She mentioned people we never heard off and shared nothing new and no stories. Mark did more talking. What was the point of her doing this ? Clout!
It sounds like a job where you need to have a real good network of mental health professionals and close friends & family (and animals) to get through life. I wish Laura the best - especially for her own mental health, I hope she takes time off to see the beauty in life.
Um, no disrespect, but when someone tells you they were abandoned at 18 months and survived living with stray dogs for six months, you might want to question the truthfulness of that person or at least seek some corroborative evidence. Something that sensational certainly would have garnered the attention of authorities and the media. Most psychopaths being charming also includes that they are skillful and unrepentant liars. Btw, there are strong differences between Serial Killers, Mass Murderers and Spree Killers (most mass shooters fall under the "spree" category).
I don’t normally comment but outstanding job Mark! You mentioned interviewing a women who is in love with a serial killer, that would be a interview for sure.
Outstanding job? You've got to be kidding me. I gave up 10 minutes in as it was so frustrating not knowing who this person is and what her academic expertise - if any - is that gives her authority to speak on the topic. "I'm conducting the biggest ever study..." - for who? With what academic research background? Just maddening. Hi. I'm Mark. I'm now going to talk to a blonde lady about serial killers🙄.
Why do people start off with "I don't normally comment"? Like what you're about to say is profound or something? Holding in your great wisdom for such a moment as this?
10 years of research without taking note that a) we have serial killers in Europe, b) 5.3 billion people have access to the internet and can binge on true crime shows, c) hollywood has been going global for a long time, d) the US has a higher marriage rate than many European countries, which makes me question "Europe is more about family and community".
She definitely has a thing for serial killers. Like those women who obsess over them and end up marrying one. She however has chosen to get close to all of them by studying their personality, what makes them tick and therefore what makes her tick
@@CheapSushi Yes, we did. So, I apologize that you couldn't infer that I didn't state the obvious... an Object to the second half of my sentence. Let alone, I never said SHE opened up.
Sorry considering her claims and knowledge her insights were void of interest, fascination or intellect. I apologize for the indifference but this is the first interview I cut early. I’m a huge follower and this channel makes social media worthwhile for me.
The divorce lawer really knew his stuff. Her, not so much. Clearly she's an amateur who enjoys reading about serial killers not a professional researcher who conducts primary research on them.
She said plenty, if you want graphic detailed descriptions of victimization and murder….. there’s plenty of other channels and places where you can find that. Don’t judge and try to forgive her for being a regular boring human that spends so much time in the sewers she doesn’t or hasn’t learned to enjoy carrying around and spreading the feces for points or clout. I also respect her and thank her on behalf of all the ppl who have lost a loved one to any violent killer and had to identify what’s left ….. famous, serial or not. 🙄
You'll probably never read this but if they had a good childhood look into a head injury. Frontal lobe damage can be a big trigger to personality changes. Impulse control (along with numerous other isssues of course) is a big problem with damage to that area. Could be a simple fell off the swing, bumped thier forehead and went about their day, to a vehicle accident. Glad you enjoy what you do!
I totally agree with you about the head injury thing. My husband is 47 and when he was 16 he got hit with a large padlock over the head and it caused him to become epileptic. He was meant to start a apprenticeship a few days later but he couldn't. Then a few years later a guy attacked him and the guy bit him on the head which caused septicemia he had to have the pus drained from his head and nearly died. Since this he's got severe brain damage he can still do most things but his personality has changed his memory is so bad and the seizures he takes. He had to be put into an induced coma because he was fitting that bad. He grew up in a good family was about to start a apprenticeship to be a engineer. But he ended up a heroin addict. People don't realise how bad head injuries can mess people up. Love from Scotland 🏴❤️
I love these interviews in order to learn about people and different lives. This woman so far is the only that I feel gave nothing away other than "I have interviewed so many killers."
I agree…..most humans agree to be interviewed because they have a lot they want to share. The interviewer did not seem prepared to ask cogent questions at first but had to work into it………Unusual of the Soft White Underbelly programs .🤔
I just watched your interview with an antinatalist and was immediately struck when Laura Brand talked about childhood neglect as a common thread among serial killers. We need society to understand that parenthood is really hard and it's not for everyone. If you have doubts about your ability to raise a child, _don't have any._
I usually say there´s a "Drivers licence" to parenthood. Also for marriage. Also for socializing. Also for... Meaning there´s a good preparation to be had beforehand. Or there should be.... Rgr
@@borano2031 It's interesting that you need a license to fish, hunt, drive, be a cosmetologist, etc. but there is no license needed to have children! People should at least have to take a class or two to prepare for the most important job in the world.
I listened to a prison psychologist on npr once who worked with serial killers. He said the most common denominator is they 1 were adopted(most of the time) and had a savior complex over their real mother, 2. Their parents didn't let them horse play as kids or play on playgrounds with other children, rough housing basically helps develop empathy, like if you push a kid down and they get hurt you learn that you did something wrong. without experiencing this you do not develop a strongvsense of empathy.
Wow, I'm enthralled w/ anything related to true crime. Ty, Mark & Laura! You have to study these individuals to have the tools to apprehend others with the same inclinations.
YES! Her reluctance to elaborate on Mark's questions is weird for someone being asked about their profession in an interview that I'm assuming she attended voluntarily. SHh is bizarrely reserved. Most professionals would have lots to share, and it's not a privacy issue, she could talk about her experience in a generic way, or anything else having to do with her work without breaking any privacy laws. Instead she offers pat answers with that mm-hmm & nodding at the end, as if she's trying to fill the nothingness she's just created. She reminds me of a hustler, aka con artist.
I love that when Mark mentioned that they must take a liking to her, she didnt let it go to her head, and instead explained why they took a liking to her.
She’s 100% right about the breakdown of the relationship between the mom and son here and they will commit other heinous crimes as well such as crimes against children. Tell all the young girls do NOT date a guy that hates his mom.
As one who talks with killers everyday at work, there should be a sense of confidentiality that you would maintain with these folks in order to continue with counseling. Maybe that's why she isn't giving up too much info.
Screw them people have a right to know about theses monsters lurking around our children and women, They should have zero rights and definitely no privacy should be a privilege not a right !
Really? Because I thought it was fascinating. I wonder if the people who are complaining have thought about the bigger issues. It was obvious that she couldn't talk about specifics too much, probably for a variety of reasons. However, I thought there were a lot of interesting details.
These researchers will never say no to the question of “can this person be rehabilitated?”. And notice how elusive she was about answering that. These men can’t be rehabilitated. They’ve gone past a line and will never regard that line as anything tangible again. BUT if they admitted that they can’t be rehabilitated she’d be out of a hobby/job. And don’t think for a minute that she isn’t obsessed with them. She’s pushed aside everything else in her life to be part of those men’s lives.
Ι feel like she wanted to talk more about herself as a person than her area of research. Her knowledge in the subject did not exceed the knowledge most people who watch serial killer related shows have. She was not comfortable answering questions, which is probably uncommon for a prof interviewer. What's her education again? Cause she sounded like a serial killer fan not a serial killer researcher.
Looks like a tough interview for ya mark! prolly the most asks I’ve seen in your interviews as she didn’t elaborate much at all… I’d think her to be more charismatic, but then again, her role is listening , so prolly the reason for a somewhat awkward conversational interview.
This was a rare bad interview from SWU, unfortunately. It was frustrating how he kept leading her away from fascinating details into boring generalities. More pointed follow-up questions, and an intuition for what is interesting, were necessary. He should have let the whole interview focus on one or two cases (like the Bittaker one she kept bringing up) and simply guided her along with probing questions.
It's interesting how every comment here lies in one of two extremes - they either love it or hate it. Now I don't know if I should waste my time. 🤷🏼♀️
He asked her 3 times to relay interesting stories which she didn’t seem to want to do. And the creepiest thing she could think of was the “body swapping”? That was ridiculous. Mark’s questions weren’t the top of his game, for sure. Still love him though!❤❤
Why don't you do a little research on the web about Bittaker and Norris? All the case file information is available. The nature of their sadism is inhuman, and the satisfaction they derived from the anguished screams of their female teenage victims as they cried out for 'mommy' is beyond sickening. That those two monsters never received death is proof of a broken justice system while they received visitors and 'fan mail' from deranged female 'fans.' As for 'rehabilitation' of these monsters, there is none. J. Reid Meloy, in his book, The Psychopathic Mind, notes that the brains of psychopaths produce a hormone associated with predation in reptiles.
@@richardmartinez5032 I have read about them. It is sick beyond comprehension. (I do not ever want to hear those tapes.) I'm not sure what that has to do with my comment, though.
She's very guarded, which contradicts being open to Mark's interview. I'm not sure I get her. Also her body language is rigidly closed off with her arms crossed over her lap. Another contradiction is her choice of dress with the low neckline. I can't get a bead on her motivations.
Such an extreme let-down when Mark asks WHY she thinks the violence is the US is so extreme and this mf-ing airhead answers: HOLLYWOOD! OMG haha! "None are more hopelessly enslaved then those who falsely believe they are free" - Goethe
Another great interview, she is good candidate for another. The most interesting thing for me was her observation that there are many more serial killers than we think.
100% there are way more than we think. And there are even more who fantasize but never go through with it. Just go to the comment section of a shock site. A lot of sick people out there.
@@Strings-jg2to Yeah, she mentioned new generation of men well prepared for being serial killers. Those sites should be prohibited for reasons she also explained. Just imagine numbers of men and women who will want to feel real killing and mutilating. Same for pedophile porn, they probably start with anime showing "children" and go on from there.
How does an 18 month old survive in an alley with dogs for 6 months with nobody noticing and intervening?? I wish she would elaborate on the lies they tell to diminish their ownership of their behavior. How is this study being conducted? I can't belive an 18 month old actually experienced that
I was really excited when I saw that you were interviewing Laura. Sadly, the interview was very underwhelming. Maybe she was just trying to promote an up and coming project or something...because she actually said very little in the interview.
Very dark but a very much needed study. I have a friend who was murdered by a serial killer back in the 80's and wasn't caught until recently. Throughout his trial, he showed no remorse very reminiscent of what Ms. Brand was detailing. Great upload and thank you!
The monster's name is Horace Van Vaultz, Jr., 67 and was convicted of killing Mary Duggan (my high school friend) and Selena Keough. He was implicated in several other killings but most of the evidence was too degraded. The prosecutor called him a serial killer and so do it. RIP Mary. @@whatta7793
I am also fascinated by the psychology of serial killers. During college crim courses (early 80s), the prof took us to CMF-Vacaville where we met an inmate known for his genius I.Q. & his work reading books onto tape for the visually disabled, students, mostly. Only after we left did we learn his identity: Edmund Kemper, the "co-ed killer" of the 1970s. He's still alive, still at Vacaville. He had also turned himself in. An FBI agent & very early "profiler" (Robert Ressler) interviewed him (see Whoever Fights Monsters). He writes of a time during an interview with Kemper when the dinner bell rang & all the guards were tasked with getting the inmates to the food hall, including the guard standing by for Ressler. He writes of the moment when Kemper says "you know i could just reach across this table & snap your neck." I wonder if that's the panic button story she mentions. Note that Kemper pre-dated internet (porn & anything else). Not nearly the tv or movie violence then. Wasn't a drug user. Did tortue small animals as a child & did have mommy issues. One of the most interesting things about this research is just how varied the individual psychology (or psycopathy) is among them.
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She is a hundred percent right about us not having a sense of community. People can live their entire lives in the same neighborhood and not know who their neighbors are.
This is absolutely correct. In the US, we don't have a sense of community. We are distrustful and suspicious of others and wary of letting anyone get too close. Our children grow up with 2 working parents, bullied at school and online, traumatized by regular mass shooter drills, and then we push our children out at the age of 18. Other cultures such as Polynesian, Indian, and Hispanic cultures have strong family ties, community support, and regular family gatherings that make up a healthy and strong support system. In these cultures, children have numerous family members around them and raising them.
That's rite. American government is fd up.
I live in an apartment building with primarily Hispanic neighbors and I rarely see anyone interact with each other. I do know my American neighbors and would like to know all my neighbors. Seems like people are standoff-ish or distant no matter what.
@@jonnuanez7183people are just untrusting today. I try to be nice and start conversations but most people have no interest. Must be me😂 but I just moved to this town and it’s not like where I came from.
in Europe it is no different
Mark’s interviewing skills really shine on this one. She didn’t want to give any individual stories so he quickly switched to general questions. He met her where she was instead of trying to force her into talking about what he wanted to talk about.
She's bound by confidentiality
Talk about pulling teeth kinda interview . He had to work hard to get any depth on one particular interview
As a european, I have to react to that we are "lightyears ahead". I live in a country that have one of the lowest imprisonments. If you are convicted for rape, you're out of prison in under 2 years. Murder, often out in under 8 years. This do not "work". The people here don't feel safe and the victims get humiliated by the system that are set up to protect, "rehabilitate" and understand the offenders. We have psycopats, serialkillers and sexual offenders in Europe too.
I listened to her say that and was like, yeah sure they don't. I'm glad you spoke out. People seem to think Europe is this perfect utopia and its not, not even close.
I'm gald you're shedding light on this.
Yes, I was born and lived in europe, in different contries, including Sweden. The Swedish legal system need reform badly.
As someone living in A europian country... The fact that some think the punishment is not enough as in years, doesn't mean that it is better to put people away for longer.
@@thematriarchy2075 do you think people who commit crimes like this can be rehabilitated? I am not sure it's possible or safe.
Everyone is upset that she isn’t over sharing but honestly she gives “I’m a researcher and have guarded conversations with serial killers” I would not expect her to be bubbly and outgoing
Great point!
if she was fbi she might have to be careful.
Yeah, I agree. Also, it sounded like she might need some sort of release if they hadn't passed away? I'm not positive but it sort of sounds that way.
dont do interview if you dont want to talk then LOL
Exactly. Put yourself in her shoes, people!
Studying these guys for 10 years and giving one word answers, painful, Mark was trying his best!
My thoughts exactly….
Loved the interview, but Mark was pulling teeth.... I think she was nervous and guarded. Thank you for great work Laura. I can so relate to reading the Nancy Drew books at 10ish.
Painful that Mark was struggling finding good questions to ask. He wasnt prepared enough for this interview in my opinion. This lady was holding back a lot of information and knowledge obviously.
I probably could have answered more questions than she did.
Yes, Mark, please take down this video. It is boring and wasted my valuable time, hoping it would be as good as your others.
I personally found this interview very frustrating. Mark asked multiple times to give some examples and stories as she has interviewed 100s of serial killers. She kept saying I have so many, and I bet she does, but I found her answers vague and generic.i know she mentioned some names but In comparison, some of the cops mark interviewed gave detailed stories and examples. I know she has lots of inside stories, but she didn't tell.
She'll be writing a book
I don't think she was prepared properly. She should have been given the questions a week ahead of time to recall her research better.
@@AndyPanda3 true I was thinking this. However if she give 2 or 3 really good stories it would be a great advertisement for her future book. I was very interested in the topic and you know she has stories. She knows these guys. I was hoping for some interesting details.
She did say she could only talk about the ones who had died.
@@babzcandlenook26 she didn't give a whole lot of info on the dead ones either.
I dated a girl during my college years who ended up getting a master's degree in criminal psychology, and has been working with serial killers for decades now. It takes a particular kind of person to get into this sort of work, and bravery is an absolutely necessary prerequisite. Kudos to this lady for performing such a harrowing task.
Yeah, cant imagine some of the indirect emotional weight someone carries with this work even though theu are free of yhe acts themself.
She clearly enjoys that. Probably pretty kinky.
Bravery? What risk is there. These guys are locked up for life. Safest gig you can get
This interview is paiiinful. She seems to struggle to get it out or to have the interview flow. Its not surprising given what she deals with but interesting that she needs to make the convicted comfortable so that they confess.
She made a point I felt was startling. The thought of the younger generations growing up with unrestricted, instant access to deviant and demented porn, is truly horrific!
I think Mark brought that up.
there's no connection between porn and violent behavior
@@beeatomsyour right. I remember a contemporary theory class in a university where a student suggested different forms of television being the source of deviance; ultimately or empirically its not. Violence is as old as man.
You are correct, I stand corrected, and Bob's your uncle!@@jessicagoodwin501
@@blasvasco Not everybody with a particular deviance from average commits a crime. Everybody who commits a crime deviates from the average, whether you're referring to sexual or any other behaviour. Even if every sexual criminal was found with pornography specific to their crimes, which would be hard to verify, that would not indicate causality.
I remember watching an interview on here with some necrophiliac and what he talked about. He talked about some of the people he's met who were pedophiles and into hurtcore. Even raping babies. That evil shit does go on out there more than we think. There's been times where i let my morbid curiosity get the best of me about what really goes on in the world. Let's just say i look at people differently now. Monster's are real and they walk by us everyday. Keep your kids safe. Peace
Monsters are real. As hard as it is for people to listen to those victimized by them it’s important to hear those stories…..Or listen to the monsters themselves explain what they do and how they get away with it. Shed a bright light into those dark corners where they live. Expose them for what they are and educate people. As a young girl I put myself in some very dangerous situations and frankly it’s only through stupid luck or angels watching over me I wasn’t hurt or worse.
@jesseanderson1904Yes.
@@Dawn_layla46agreea and ditto!
Geez, I completely understand you. I'm super cautious about getting to know people. It also has educated me into human psychology a lot!!!
I think that people who feel that they’ve been cast out of society and treated as unwanted, tend to view society as the enemy, and lash out in the most extreme and volatile ways possible
This is a real frustrating interview. She kept talking about how she had "so many stories" but Mark had to pry to get any detail. What detail we did get was very shallow. Talking about childhood neglect and stuff we _basically_ already knew.
Mark: Can you tell me about some of your experiences?
LB: yeah..........................................
Honestly… she’s giving me quack vibes.
How are there so many comments saying "great interview." Every answer was so shallow.
@@Bilow_Selhi She reminds me of one of those people who are obsessed and infatuated with serial killers. Like they chase their obsession, but they don’t really add anything positive or conclusive or scientific to the discussion.
Couldn’t agree more. I don’t think she even knows what format the interviews typically take. Mark having to probe continuously for us to learn anything remotely substantive was just annoying. If this is supposed to be a rollout for her book/research this was an epic fail for me
I've seen Laura Brand be interviewed multiple times for her ongoing study and I can't tell you how revolutionary it's going to be in the field once it's published. She's a frickin hero and has incredible work from what she has shared throughout this decade. Also for preface, Brand has to be private about her research until it's published as it's part of the general ethical code in Psychology/HIPPA related fields so if her answers seem short that's probably why. Also, whoever is funding her research may want that privacy as well until publishing.
I have never seen her before or this fabulous series. She is great.
right. and it's a 'who is funding this?' question. paradoxically, she's more than happy to be interviewed about her research. this seems puzzling to me. all of soft white underbelly interviews, at their essence, seem puzzling to me....
I agree.
@@helenready1310 you're a weirdo!!!
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She boasted at the beginning about having conducted the largest collective study on serial killers with over 50 separate interiews, even more than the FBI! Then proceeded to say basically nothing that the average joe didn't already know. And no, its not because of confidentiality because shs could quite easily tell detailed, indepth stories, without mentioning the persons name. This leaves me wondering if she's really qualified to do this work because she had "nothing" to say!? Mark had to constantly prompt her to speak otherwise this interview would of been over with in 5 minutes. Very disappointing!
Also, what are her credentials? She said nothing about her education. Maybe because she doesn't have one and from the way she carried herself it became more and more apparent. She doesn't talk like a researcher, she's not elaborate enough as if she doesn't really know her stuff, just being superficial, not adding much to the conversation. She got most of her info/stories from watching Mindhunter a few times. That's my guess anyway.
I was disappointed as well. She showed no passion or enthusiasm for what she claimed was a life long obsession for her. She gave no insight, told no interesting anecdotes, and just seemed bored by the whole thing.
The whole interview could have been informative and interesting, instead it was just tedious and dull.
Seriously it seems like she’s a compulsive liar or something every answer was so generic 😂😂😂😂
Exactly! It was a horrible interview- not Mark- her. Poor Mark was pulling teeth.
I felt the same about when she explained the difference between Female and male offender rates.
For someone who has interviewed over 50 serial killers, she wasn't very forthcoming with information during the interview.
Saving it for the book 💰
Yes very limited info. Mark trying to pull it out of her ………..
Agreed , hard work for Mark , it’s as if he was having to constantly ask questions , nothing was spontaneous . Could have been interesting but i could almost feel Mark working hard to get an interesting interview .
Copy pasta from another reply:
"Its not uncommon for writers to be somewhat reclusive individuals, as the task of writing requires a lot of alone time. Since speaking and writing are two completely separate skill sets, I bet you that reading her work would be a lot more engaging than listening to her talk about it."
She just seemed nervous to me. Also, like someone said writers and minds like hers might not be the best speakers. She seemed very knowledgeable to me. I think it did seem harder for mark as he had to peel the details out of her but maybe she can get a part two and feel more comfortable.
“I have so many good stories”. I guess she chose not to share any.
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Why the sarcasm
@@MAGAisVIOLENTcult give God's rainbow back
It was annoying how she kept saying so many good stories but would end up generalizing
Keep in mind that she has interviewed hundreds of these killers. She probably so accustomed to the horrible stories that it seems nothing to her now so asking her to pick one is like asking a bus driver to tell you the craziest rider they ever had. You become numbed but you know you've seen some crazy ass people.
What a dud of an interviewee. “Tell me some of your stories.” Proceeds to not tell any story. “Why do you think we have these issues?” “True crime is shoved down our throats.” Lady, you’re a true crime writer.
she’s an interviewer, i’m sure she felt awkward being the one answering questions. not only that but mark being like “tell me an interesting story” is so vague. it’d be hard for anyone to answer that bc like … what do you want to know ?? he couldve been more specific
Its not uncommon for writers to be somewhat reclusive individuals, as the task of writing requires a lot of alone time. Since speaking and writing are two completely separate skill sets, I bet you that reading her work would be a lot more engaging than listening to her talk about it.
She could be on the shy side, also she may not realize just how intriguing this subject is to the audience. She said this comes natural to her therefore doesn't see her work being that interesting to others
She works with the FBI. I’m sure she’s debriefed by the Bureau as to what can be divulged.
It's like listening to dry toast..
I think Mark should do part 2 with Laura, where she actually share some of the stories and not only share the dynamics of her working operations.
That was what I expected reading the title. You could see how uncomfortable she was throughout the dialogue.
Buy her book
Why uncomfortable?
Check out Mr. Black’s “Scream For Me” … I believe she is far more forthcoming about the Toolbox Killers and their characteristics. Viewer discretion advised however… it will help you at least understand why in this interview she is somewhat closed off
She's only allowed to share certain details without the person's consent
Holy crap my heart stopped when she mentioned Wayne Adam ford. I didn’t think he would be an interviewee. He lived with my family during his active killing spree. He worked with my dad and started renting a room in our house when his wife left him. He turned himself in because he knew he was going to kill his ex wife and he didn’t want to leave his daughter without a mom. I was a kid, but there’s photos of all of us in my scrap books. Such a trip.
I do t know of your lying but that’s insane
Holy shit that is crazy. I have a connection with one of SWU subjects, but that story is absolutely wild!
I think you would have been a better interviewee. Maybe reach out to the channel?
WOW.
HOW DID OR DOES MAKE YOU FEEEL THAT YOU LIVED WITH A MAN WHO WAS CAPABE OF MURDERING YOU AND YOUR FAMILY? JUST CURIOUS.
I love that she is trying to help recover victims who everyone but their families have forgotten.
Yes. A lady named Lauren interviewed Sam Little and said the same thing about all of his victims. Sam did drawings on his victims. She has them to look at and wonder who they are. Incredibly sad for the families.
I wonder if that ever helps the "spirit" of the victim?
yeah I guess I never knew before that once they are sentenced the case is basically closed. that must be SO hard for some of those families to not ever get that kind of closure. it is really heartfelt that she is trying to help those families.
What .... wait till he gets out and moves next door to you
Having information is one thing, being able to convey that information is a much different skill set. That’s why there are good teachers and bad teachers. If she got some training, she could be a fantastic speaker.
An 18 month old didn't survive for 6 months being cared for by dogs.
For someone who allegedly knows so much I learned so little… I feel like this is a ego boost for her but she doesn’t know that much when it comes down to it
Yes. This is obviously the case in my opinion. She can’t answer the questions eloquently so it means that she doesn’t know much about the subject matter
Know that most move among you, in plain sight, because the more some people think they know, the more protected they think they are. Too much TV, too many so called experts, and the underworld laughs at them. Let's just say I had an interesting childhood /life in general, and I have personally known some 'edgy' folks. I have also known victims, one who was a coworker. This guy killed her mother, doubled back to pick up her daughter , and then killed her with his hands. The next day after I saw them heading to her house, I was told she was killed and I knew it had to be him. On the way ,we were on the same train and we had locked eyes, and I saw inside of him, and when I testified at the trial, we locked eyes again as I told the court it was him. I will never forget the understanding at that moment, when I knew he was gone forever, and he knew it too. I think it's been about 5 men I personally knew that r-ped or murdered someone in cold blood, and about 5 victims. All of this was in the news. I see these kind of men here and there, and we know who we are. I taught my daughters what to look for, my sister and my female friends, who sometimes do not listen. My father was a sociopath, so I learned early on what conditioning was, the effects, and how manipulative/dangerous people move. People get some bad advice and misinformation, and too many women like to argue, threaten, and push buttons, and they need to be way more careful of that. Sometimes being right or thinking you're right, and winning a simple argument or emasculating someone can place you in harm's way. I like this platform because it speaks to me about the kinds of people I have spent a lot of time with,and I will leave it at that..
@@michaels8607 Yes, I agree that trying to educate women about this type of thing falls on deaf ears. They either don’t care or think that they’d be able to spot dangerous predators
Yep. She had nothing to say
@@big_red_machine3547 They will keep choosing wrong because they go for money, they go for men who tell them what they want to hear, and they get reeled in. Guys like me who study all the time/STEM thinkers, people who avoid any drugs, people who do not 'party', we are boring to them. Understand we already know with flashing money, cars, and perceived power, we can easily snare you. There's a channel right now about golddiggers. The guy will dress normally and ask a woman out, she looks at him with disdain and says no. As she is walking away, he goes to his $200,000+ sportscar, and she rushes back to him,and then gives him some play. This guy repeats this same exact ruse, over and over, and they ALL ,do a 180. Then he dismisses them and leaves them there looking foolish.
She doesn't sound like a 'researcher' , more of a serial killer fan.
Exactly. When I saw a serial killer researcher was being interviewed on this channel, I immediately knew something must be off with them, and you hit the nail on the head!
Yep. Groupie.
Googling her it doesn’t show her Education or Licenses. It variously describes her as an Author / Investigative Journalist and “The Siren of San Quentin”. Her sex appeal is a piece of the puzzle. Whatever she learned is for the book, the podcasts, the notoriety, not a Scientific Study. She seems to be a devoted Fan of these men and their worlds.
@@raymckigney2118 I agree and her saying she was “destin” to do this job like girl whAt. And the way she’s not giving details about certain situations that mark kept asking about as if it only something she wants to keep to herself as if she’s “special” and nobody can know because it’s between her and the killers 😂
She said she has a partner. I bet it's Merle Allin.
“I’m going to talk for 30 minutes but I’m not going to say anything. I’ll be as general and vague as possible. However, the book will be coming out soon!”
Will the book be as boring as this interview?
The word for today is “ psychopathy” because it was used 100 times!
She's only allowed to say so much
@@tambourine36 Is she only allowed to WRITE so much in her book?
is it me or did she give very generic answers?
No, it's not you. Everything she said was generic, lol
it’s not just you. she’s a quack. her credentials are questionable or non-verifiable and she had a weirdddddd relationship with Lawrence Bittaker.
Confidentiality
She’s writing a book… she wants you to buy the book. Her answers are teasers
Her hands never moved, pressed on her body . Her body language is very protective
Mark: Tell us an interesting story
Her: Oh there are so many…
Her: *tells us none*
Yeah she did that twice in 11 minutes.
Exactly...thank you for pointing that out. I think that was why I just sensed her being arrogant in some way. I was just irritated with this interview. She did not come across as a great academic, even.
She seems very unprepared for this interview. How do you not have memorable stories prepared to share??
Try doing what she does. She doesn't want to share things because you don't want to know. It's very difficult to do this type of work. People think that people who study serial killers are freaks.
I think she is used to being the interviewer, not the interviewed.
I believe she has a book coming out? Maybe.. just started the video.
And how can you say such a stupid thing like "they don`t have serial killers in Europe"?
I wondered the same thing
She didn’t say anything that your average serial killer enthusiast doesn’t know.
If someone is a serial killer i don't want rehabilitation for them. I dont want any chance of them getting out .... ever
when you notice the questions far more than the answers...something is missing
Chemical castration does not always work. You interviewed someone two days ago who said it did not work on his father
Can't be absolute. Not everyone is exactly like the other. Maybe his chemical make up was atypical.
Congratulations to Mark for being such a good interviewer and knowing which questions to ask to keep the interview moving
Really??? It's the job of the interviewer to make their subject open up. He failed to do that.
Mark didn't even ask her about her education and where she works now. On many occasions, her descriptions and colloquialisms were so simple and unqualified that they needed follow-up questions (e.g., the statement that chemical castration definitely works - that's absolutely NOT the case; and that police and psychiatrists in Europe are "light years ahead" in their research - also, absolutely NOT true. Police in every European country regularly consults with FBI because FBI started their research into SK decades earlier and assembled far more information).
And, those awkward pauses after every sentence, uhhhh. This as painful to watch.
He has to research his subjects prior to the interview, and ask them difficult questions that actually produce a cohesive story. This was not done.
@@katemangos1705 I have to agree at least to the extent that he probably should have just discarded the whole interview. I would be shocked to find out that she isn't in fact a complete fake. Shame on Mark for doing this and not doing any kind of pre-interview. I know you want it raw and uncensored, but you want to at least ensure that there is water in the pool before diving in.
I guess, I felt differently about this interview than many commenters here. As a clinician, I felt this interviewee was forthcoming and offered very interesting facts about her career and the subjects she studies. Thanks, Mark.
Right! Not sure how much I could say safely. She wants to continue her studying which means face to face with them. Maybe one of the explosive men would react if he found out. IDK!
Agreed....
The interviewer covered all of the essential points, and her responses were tremendously enlightening.
Agreed. And it’s possible she is bound by her position to refrain from disclosure.
I think they are used to such raw interviews that that's what they are expecting. I thought she said a lot as well
After Mark continued to ask pertinent questions. She offered nothing unless asked.
She opened up more in the last 10 min of the interview. I would really like to see another interview with her, I think this barely scratched the surface and there's so much to learn.
She nailed it about having family, togetherness, and community. In US after a certain age, no one communicates with cousin, uncles, aunts on regular basis. Hell, even with parents and siblings. It’s a very ISOLATED SOCIETY, lots of self centered mentality. In many countries, families are extremely tight, and communication is on daily basis.
You can blame the destruction of ethnic neighborhoods in post WW2 America, destroyed by design.
I'm 29 and I live in New York. I don't speak to any of my family on a daily basis except for my mom and even then, that's about once a week, give or take. I rarely attend family gatherings, but my personality is more reserved, so I'm kind of the odd one out in that regard.
I work 72-96 hours in the week to support myself and I come from a single family household. Life has never been easy, but I know people who were spoiled and they're worse off and drug addicted. It's a sad situation for sure, and many aren't aware of the issues in this country and feel the need to travel to better the world, not realizing the problems right in front of us.
You can say that about people in any geographic locale.
This is a very sad time in America now. I'm old to young people. But I was raised in detroit, MI in 50s and 60s. We had a fabulous, wonderful family life back then. Lonely society now due to technology. The rise of the Internet has ruined society, especially young people
People grow up, get jobs, get married, have babies. It's not that people don't want to stay in touch, there's just not enough hours in the day.
I was excited about this one but it seems that she's watched Mindhunter a couple of times and all her information comes from that. Like she doesn't really know her stuff. People who know their stuff tend to answer questions not by yes/no but go deeper and tell us things we don't know. She seems intimidated by the questions and unprepared to answer them. Somebody who's been doing this for so long, would keep going on and on.. Also how does someone who can hardly speak make those serial killers confess things to her? I don't know, I dont believe she is who she says she is, she lacks depth and perspective, both of which are earned.
She seems like she gets pleasure with these communications, I mean no boundaries they call you 24/7 sounds more like a fan than a researcher.
Oh I am sure she gets a kick out of it. Probably pretty kinky in her private life
Now this is my cup of tea
Agree!
It's my jam too!
Oh yes
I’m just happy we are the majority for this video! 😂😂
Fuckin right. I'd take a big sip
Mark asked all the questions, and she barely answered. We all know most Serial Killers had bad childhoods/ absent father/overbearing Mother.
got any proof of this? Or you just like... saying shit.... and acting like it's the truth, and expecting people to believe you?
I was kind of disappointed in this interview also. I don’t really know what I was expecting but definitely more.
@Broskisnowski
What’s the point of the interview then? She said she could discuss the ones who are dead.
Agreee. I feel like I got nothing out of this
They're all from small towns. Like Los Angeles.
The reaon why there may be less violent criminals in Europe, specifically in Germany for example comes down to health care available to everyone. Your interviewee said one of her serial killers was left to live on the street under the age of 2. This scenerio is highly unlikely in a country where there is access to healthcare and family services for everyone. No one would turn their back on a 2 year old living on the street here in Germany. Second, there is a strong youth support system the first step of which is the child sevices authority or JugendAmt, but this support system offers much more than foster care. This you cannot find in any state in the US currently. There are special schools for all learning and developmental issues including group homes, apprenticeships, therapy programs both in patient and out patient. Even towns as small as 5,000 people have access to a large array of services that simply do not exist in the US. Non-profit organizations such as Lebenshilfe, Caritas, and Diakonie exist in every county in every bundesland in Germany. The current US system does not have these resources.
Or there’s no California in Europe
Reading this made me think I might be happier living in Europe because people might not be so cut throat and cold as they seem to be in the USA
No gun nut Trump supporters
@@saywhatithink5006no trumptards
Whole thing don’t ring right
She was tactful and revealed quite a bit. The work she is doing is so important, thank you for this interview Mark.
OMG, she interviewed Lawrence Bittaker. That man was a psychotic monster. He tortured teen girls. One was 15 years old. He audio recorded the torture which was played in the courtroom. People threw up and left the room. He used pliers to pull pieces of the girls body apart...soft areas. She begged him to kill her. He left the body on some poor dudes lawn, naked and shredded. If you want to have a nightmare, look him up.
I tell this to show that may of these psychopaths will NEVER be rehabilitated. They get so much joy and sexual satisfaction from torture and death and that can never be gotten out of them.
Love that you , Laura , are trying to get information as to where the unsolved victims are.
Me too.
Now that would have been a good question. I'm not quite through this episode yet ,but I think he missed a lot of good questions. It doesn't even sound like Mark.
Fascinating, I didn't want the interview to end. A lot of those interviewees probably look forward to your visits...seeing that they may have no one that does that at all. Thank you for time and for sharing, Laura.
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And to any male out there, that didn't have a mom...or had one but she wasn't supportive, was selfish, was absentee, etc., etc...
I am truly sorry. I wish I could single-handedly fix that for you. Keep your chin up, regardless. Always know that there are good moms out there that are thinking of you. My life wouldn't be the same if I wasn't the "I got my mom in my corner" kind of person. {{{hugs}}} 💞
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Thank you
You are lucky beyond belief if you have a good mother. Mine is a monster and she has never stopped lying and being deviant. At 83. NPD with a side of paranoid schizophrenia
@@marylougeorge9890 😍
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As someone who has worked as a mental health at a level 4 California prison and interviewed my share of murders and predators I have my suspicions about her. For example, she talks about having easy access to high profile inmates but in California inmates are seen as dependents, you do not get easy access to them. You do not just show up to see them. Secondly, her story of a profiler becoming startled by an inmate but she is not fazed by the similar comments does not make sense. Also, how is she vague with her stories despite "thousands of hours" of contact?
Very surface level, seems very ingenuine
Very interesting interview, clearly Laura is more used to ask questions and listen rather than being interviewed. Would be great to see the second part!
What is scary is that her having such a deep knowledge of this theme couldn't predict/affect the situation that happened in her own family. Which obviously puts all her research under the big question and if it's even possible to prevent any situations like that
Mark you have such a good personality and make people feel at ease. I wish she would of shared more stories. Don’t say names but tell us about your interactions.
I don't blame her for not sharing stories because she must maintain a relationship of trust with her subjects. She's exposing herself to not only those in prison but to those who are not in prison but happen to see this interview. She is very careful to keep her comments general rather than specific.
Even her body language is closed from the very start of the interview. She wasn’t planning on sharing much.
@@lsouthern64 Very closed off hey! That head nodding at 26:35 was a bit odd though, almost comical.
She may be reticent because she doesn't want to appear like she's sensationalizing the facts that drive her work. She may also be trying to respect some modicum of privacy for her subjects.
@@MyCleverHandle Correct. Rgr
It's been roughly 7 YEARS (!!) since she started advertising her much anticipated alleged book. It was in 2018 I first came across her while doing an extensive case study on two serial killers who are now deceased. She had exclusive access/ conducted face-to-face interviews with both men.
To this day (2023), only about five minutes of audio from her purported 100 + hours of interviews have been released. It was interspersed throughout her 2021 docu - series and it was nothing of substance.
The information in the doc was not novel to those already familiar with the case. It's worth noting that much of the information commonly accessible to the general public, such as what can be found on Wikipedia, were omitted from the documentary. Likely due to its extremely disturbing subject matter--- I can understand and sympathize with this executive decision. However.....CONSEQUENTLY, Laura promised to reveal never-before-seen facts and evidence within her upcoming book. Yet, no such information has been disclosed AND the book STILL doesn't have an official release date. Does it exist??? She's been leading people on for YEARS. It's simply unprofessional, ill-advised and in extremely poor taste.
Mark getting an answer out of her was like pulling teeth. She shouldn't have done the interview if she can't answer questions!
One can only assume she's exaggerating her resources and knowledge. It's likely she's milking every press opportunity as she may not have any other source(s) of income.
I stopped following Laura a few years ago, due to my strong frustrations and her various other discrepancies and transgressions. I google her every year or so, HOPING she's FINALLY revealed those long awaited details...only to find painful interviews such as this: filled with an astonishing amount of easily disproven misinformation and where she ultimately divulges... absolutely... nothing.
the book is apparently coming out this fall
@@triputu She previously had a 2021 and a 2022 release date. It's 2023 so I'll believe it when i see it. UNFORTUNATELY, she has stated that the book is ONE of a TRILOGY so it seems like a cash grab. Given her track record, i anticipate the books to be filled with fluff and maybe 2% of facts and details no one previously knew about. Her attention seeking behavior only to GATE KEEP information and her experiences is really obnoxious and unethical at this point.
@@okaywow3486 i agree. have you seen the documentary she did on here with "the disturbing truth" ?? i found it to be underwhelming and quite strange but it does have a small amount of new info.
@@triputu Yes. However that's not a documentary. The content creator "The Disturbing Truth" merely included audio of an interview they presumably did with Laura. That video included a lot of misinformation, which Laura herself later confirmed (this was years ago) was untrue. I wanted to hear more about the cabins in Crystal Lake, and Laura did reveal that Leah and Jackie were taken there - something unknown to most of the public. She had previously stated on social media that Lynette Ledford's body was dumped on the ivy bed for a much more "sinister reason", but she continues to GATE KEEP aforementioned information that she purports to have. Her attempts to get people interested by BAITING them with lurid details about the victims and then not giving away anything is extremely inappropriate.
At the very LEAST she could pay homage to the victims in her media appearances. I can’t be the only one who longs to know more about the lives of these young girls who were lost too soon. These girls deserve recognition beyond being linked to their killers.
There is a podcast I listened to on Spotify that Laura THANKFULLY has ZERO affiliation with called "Killer's Vault", hosted by Elisabeth Rohm and narrated by Eric Roberts. I highly suggest their episode on Bittaker and Norris if you're interested in learning more about them, however be warned as it includes extremely disturbing details. They go into detail about torture which had been omitted from public affidavits and records. This episode provides unprecedented insight into the both of he killers' psychology which is quite impressive.
@@okaywow3486 Yes, I have already listened to that podcast episode. Very informative. Apparently Lynette's body was dumped in front of the house of one of her friends. They followed Lynette and other high school girls home and they knew one of her friends lived there.
Small critique of this interview. The subject matter is interesting, however the interviewee is not a good story teller.
Agree
She was not as easy to interview as the divorce lawyer who launched into almost a lengthy soliloquy. Since my time as a prosecutor, serial killers have fascinated me. I bet her book will be a bestseller if it's not an overly technical treatise. I wish she had talked more about the co-occurring diagnoses and whether psychotropic drugs help any. I had read injuries to the frontal lobe could contribute because the ability to control impulsive behavior is compromised...maybe that has been discounted. Perhaps she will collaborate with a creative screenplay writer and give us a fascinating movie. Thanks for the interview!
So true, I was going to mention that as well. Head injuries play such a big part in many of these cases from early childhood I have read! Many times the brain has not been able to recover. That is very sad. Meanwhile, I am someone who is still recovering from falling over my dog in a dark hallway two yrs. ago with an awful concussion and eighteen stitches. I broke my eye bone and still have a bump over my eyebrow. My poor husband had to rush me to the ER and I had blood gushing from my head. Be careful dog owners, it happens a lot the doc. told me.
Gosh, I’ve got so many stories… says nothing
Yup ! not interesting at all .
Girl had a chance to give one of the best interviews on this channel and completely botched it. Said a whole lot of nothing !!!
Confidentiality
@tambourine36 she has a podcast she shares weekly, and no its not confidential she's just waiting to release a book. And yeah that podcast she can't help but to release some and fuck it's crazy
Her main killer lawrence bittaker
He's worst of the worst and her book will be mostly about him
Right? She seems pretty vapid to me and probably watches a lot of law & order
She actually said a lot; this goes to show you don’t know nothing she’s talking about. Just cause she didn’t name drop or give details on their murders doesn’t mean she didn’t say something.
As a licensed psychotherapist I worked primarily with juvenile sex offenders years ago. Hallelujah for you! Your research quantifies this population, and is a needed body of work to be utilized by those who follow in our footsteps. Though thought of as monsters, and let’s face it one can argue its truth, the wealth of information provided by their “honesty” will hopefully change the mode of intervention practiced by future clinicians. This is a scary population and most therapists are not equipped to face its challenges. I’m hoping that you can assist in changing that issue.
Wow. As a licensed psychotherapist I would think you would see through her and diagnosis her instead. IE borderline personality disorder. This lady is full of it lol
@@MomsRoots Good morning. I’m intrigued. I’d like to hear your take on this video, and I’m not being snarky, I’m being truthful. Thank you for your feedback thus far.
@@hubbysswee I think she is a fan and not a researcher. Seems like she is inflating reality. She isn’t answering any of the questions but instead talks very vague with little information. She doesn’t know what most of us already know about serial killers. Maybe not BPD but it’s definitely not what she believes it is and not what I see.
@@MomsRoots Yes, I agree with you! Weird to be saying that while looking at my initial comment, but I do see what you’re saying. Intervention with such a volatile population requires a different type of therapeutic approach (I have a feeling you’re aware of its necessity…would you also be an interventionist working with such a population?), and until I saw her from your point of view I assumed she was as doing just that. Is she starstruck? I dunno. Full of it? Quite possibly! I guess I hope she does actually do some helpful work. Am I being too optimistic! 😉 It’s been great interfacing with you, intelligence is so hard to come by! Thank you for answering my comment.
@@MomsRoots - Yes, she's glorifying these convicts to a large extent- like a Fan!!.. I think you really need more education & training to objectively survey these advanced criminals. And the personal hours she is giving them for phone calls is way too flattering & disturbing!.. Here, she's just sharing very naive, well-known, summary viewpoints, rather than true insights, in my opinion!.. Sure, more knowledge is helpful, but I think she needs to be supervised and guided by a specialized medical doctor or psychologist, social worker, etc.
(I worked with the MDs, PhDs, & defendants for years in hardcore criminal law!).
Children who don't talk until 6 years old can be extremely intelligent. They are the type that observes and thinks and communicates without words but feelings.
These videos are getting more and more interesting! I am into psychology of serial killers and I exceptionally enjoyed this one! Thanks a lot Mark.
This one was Horrible, Super boring. She said nothing new. After being ask Several times to give him a story she always Wow so many, then nothing. She will need a ghost writer for her book.
and she has an annoying voice while she tries to sound smart@@buggerfiggie8780
Same
@@buggerfiggie8780I’ve seen her interviews before, every time I’ve seen her talk she always mentions the Toy Box killer, so I was actually surprised when she just briefly mentioned him lol
to be interested in psychology and all thats there and to be into serial killers makes YOU FUCKED up . There is nothing interesting about them
I don’t believe serial killers can be rehabilitated. I don’t believe pedophiles can be rehabilitated. The people who believe and promote that rehabilitation is possible are not the ones who will pay the price when these criminals are let out. Citizens do not deserve this.
EDIT - ok so I googled her since Mark essentially told us nothing about her and she didn't volunteer it. Turns out she has no academic background whatsoever in this field and no professional experience either unless you call 'private investigator' a profession I guess.
Bur certainly nothing in academia in criminology or in a specialist unit within an LEA.
She does mention an interest in forensics in her bio but appears to have no academic qualifications or professional experience in forensics either. Maybe she has a black light at home though🙄
She tweets that quote "true crime is not a hobby ..it's a lifestyle"
I'm sure the parents of the kids that were murdered find all this equally entertaining 😔
Anyway seems all this and other RUclips interviews she's doing currently are just promotion for a book she is flogging soon.
Maybe Mark can get us a yoga teacher to talk quantum physics next time, or someone equally well qualified.
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I wonder how "fascinating" they would be if one of them had murdered her kid or someone she cared about.
I actually have no idea who this woman is since Mark didn't seem to think it important to ask her at the start or to share that with us if he knows. I gave up watching after 15 minutes as it was so frustrating to listen to and not knowing who she was or anything about her professional experience and academic record in this area made it seem utterly pointless to me.
But I do really feel uncomfortable how much we have turned all this into little more than entertainment, with the killers the stars, basically celebraties. Whereas the victims are barely talked about at all.
"True crime' RUclipsrs I find are especially awful, just monetizing family tragedies,,but Netflix etc are little better its all just entertainment at the end of the day to them.
Agreed 100%!
Exactly.
I'm writing a book about this specific subject.
Mark: Tell me an interesting story.
I'm trying to think of one.
Yeah I know that was really awkward it makes you think she's making the whole thing up. It's possible lol. No one's verifying these people stories are they?
What a disappointment of an “interview” was like pulling teeth she barely talked and looked uncomfortable. Why even be on this show and why even release this. She mentioned people we never heard off and shared nothing new and no stories. Mark did more talking. What was the point of her doing this ? Clout!
The body swapping is the craziest thing she has seen or heard after thousand hours of interviews? I find that hard to believe.
It sounds like a job where you need to have a real good network of mental health professionals and close friends & family (and animals) to get through life. I wish Laura the best - especially for her own mental health, I hope she takes time off to see the beauty in life.
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Agreee and I am soooo into true crime but I can see how it can be damaging.. I had to get a grip!
Looks like she's holding onto the stories for her book.
@@alefer0130 That's what I thought. The interview was mainly for publicity.
@@alefer0130exactly. I found it a bit disappointing that she didn’t go in detail about all the stories she must have heard
Um, no disrespect, but when someone tells you they were abandoned at 18 months and survived living with stray dogs for six months, you might want to question the truthfulness of that person or at least seek some corroborative evidence. Something that sensational certainly would have garnered the attention of authorities and the media. Most psychopaths being charming also includes that they are skillful and unrepentant liars. Btw, there are strong differences between Serial Killers, Mass Murderers and Spree Killers (most mass shooters fall under the "spree" category).
I don’t normally comment but outstanding job Mark! You mentioned interviewing a women who is in love with a serial killer, that would be a interview for sure.
Outstanding job? You've got to be kidding me. I gave up 10 minutes in as it was so frustrating not knowing who this person is and what her academic expertise - if any - is that gives her authority to speak on the topic.
"I'm conducting the biggest ever study..." - for who? With what academic research background?
Just maddening.
Hi. I'm Mark. I'm now going to talk to a blonde lady about serial killers🙄.
“I don’t normally comment”
*literally has numerous comments on this channel*
Why do people start off with "I don't normally comment"? Like what you're about to say is profound or something? Holding in your great wisdom for such a moment as this?
Yes. Thank you, Mark.
Oh not YOU AGAIN !
10 years of research without taking note that a) we have serial killers in Europe, b) 5.3 billion people have access to the internet and can binge on true crime shows, c) hollywood has been going global for a long time, d) the US has a higher marriage rate than many European countries, which makes me question "Europe is more about family and community".
She definitely has a thing for serial killers. Like those women who obsess over them and end up marrying one. She however has chosen to get close to all of them by studying their personality, what makes them tick and therefore what makes her tick
And she hasn't found out the answer to that yet. 10 years, hmmm.
Mark, I watch your videos, but this one just blew me away. You asked great questions, but her answers just opened up more. WOW! Great job sir!
@prisonforjohnnydepp5298it’s too bad she didn’t. 😂
can I get one of these sweet youtube-comment gigs? how much money per comment?
@@CheapSushi Perhaps you should listen again
@@CheapSushi Yes, we did. So, I apologize that you couldn't infer that I didn't state the obvious... an Object to the second half of my sentence. Let alone, I never said SHE opened up.
@@TheWhitefisher Hmm... create your own shit. Then work it out. Not rocket science.
Come on lady , 1000s of hours of interviews and not one in depth account ??? Spill it !
You can find more interviews with her on the tube if this one didn't tickle your underbelly.
@@thematriarchy2075lol 😂
She will put it all in her book.
@@thematriarchy2075 does she say anything in them?
Remember, she is usually the interviewer...
Thank you for sharing Laura & Mark ! ❤
Sorry considering her claims and knowledge her insights were void of interest, fascination or intellect. I apologize for the indifference but this is the first interview I cut early. I’m a huge follower and this channel makes social media worthwhile for me.
This is well worded and exactly how I felt.
The divorce lawer really knew his stuff. Her, not so much. Clearly she's an amateur who enjoys reading about serial killers not a professional researcher who conducts primary research on them.
Exactly
I am loving these different types of interviews with people who have unusual careers
She said plenty, if you want graphic detailed descriptions of victimization and murder….. there’s plenty of other channels and places where you can find that.
Don’t judge and try to forgive her for being a regular boring human that spends so much time in the sewers she doesn’t or hasn’t learned to enjoy carrying around and spreading the feces for points or clout.
I also respect her and thank her on behalf of all the ppl who have lost a loved one to any violent killer and had to identify what’s left ….. famous, serial or not. 🙄
Thank God somebody is collating this info. way to many of these evil doers on the Horizon.....Kudos to her.
Great topic, Mark.
You'll probably never read this but if they had a good childhood look into a head injury. Frontal lobe damage can be a big trigger to personality changes. Impulse control (along with numerous other isssues of course) is a big problem with damage to that area. Could be a simple fell off the swing, bumped thier forehead and went about their day, to a vehicle accident. Glad you enjoy what you do!
I totally agree with you about the head injury thing. My husband is 47 and when he was 16 he got hit with a large padlock over the head and it caused him to become epileptic. He was meant to start a apprenticeship a few days later but he couldn't. Then a few years later a guy attacked him and the guy bit him on the head which caused septicemia he had to have the pus drained from his head and nearly died. Since this he's got severe brain damage he can still do most things but his personality has changed his memory is so bad and the seizures he takes. He had to be put into an induced coma because he was fitting that bad. He grew up in a good family was about to start a apprenticeship to be a engineer. But he ended up a heroin addict. People don't realise how bad head injuries can mess people up. Love from Scotland 🏴❤️
I’ve heard of that changing personalities & having more violent tendencies but never making them into a serial killer.
You're right. I can't remember specifics but I did see a program about a man who indeed become a murderer after sustaining a head injury.
Good point!!
This is a really interesting and important point.
I love these interviews in order to learn about people and different lives. This woman so far is the only that I feel gave nothing away other than "I have interviewed so many killers."
Mark has never had to work harder. Some interviews he doesn’t say a word for an hour. This really forced him dust off those interview skills
I agree…..most humans agree to be interviewed because they have a lot they want to share. The interviewer did not seem prepared to ask cogent questions at first but had to work into it………Unusual of the Soft White Underbelly programs .🤔
Unprepared? How do you come prepared to a Mark Laita interview?? He’s off the cuff.. you def don’t follow…
@lisac8088 So if someone asked you tell me about your job and things you've seen and heard all you could come up with is "gosh, there is a lot..."
If that is all you learnt, maybe you did not listen ;-)
I just watched your interview with an antinatalist and was immediately struck when Laura Brand talked about childhood neglect as a common thread among serial killers. We need society to understand that parenthood is really hard and it's not for everyone. If you have doubts about your ability to raise a child, _don't have any._
I usually say there´s a "Drivers licence" to parenthood. Also for marriage. Also for socializing. Also for... Meaning there´s a good preparation to be had beforehand. Or there should be.... Rgr
@@borano2031 It's interesting that you need a license to fish, hunt, drive, be a cosmetologist, etc. but there is no license needed to have children! People should at least have to take a class or two to prepare for the most important job in the world.
She’s not telling the whole story. She comes off more like a enthusiast than an expert.
she calls herself the siren of san quentin, I think she gets off teasing these guys who are locked up, power trip over them
Its called Hybristophilia for someone that involving sexual interest in and attraction to those who commit crimes.
I listened to a prison psychologist on npr once who worked with serial killers. He said the most common denominator is they 1 were adopted(most of the time) and had a savior complex over their real mother, 2. Their parents didn't let them horse play as kids or play on playgrounds with other children, rough housing basically helps develop empathy, like if you push a kid down and they get hurt you learn that you did something wrong. without experiencing this you do not develop a strongvsense of empathy.
Wow, I never knew that
I enjoyed this interview with you very much, Laura! Keep up the hard work in helping society in this way.
Wow, I'm enthralled w/ anything related to true crime. Ty, Mark & Laura! You have to study these individuals to have the tools to apprehend others with the same inclinations.
Something is off with her
I was thinking exactly the same thing . instinctively it’s off .
YES! Her reluctance to elaborate on Mark's questions is weird for someone being asked about their profession in an interview that I'm assuming she attended voluntarily. SHh is bizarrely reserved. Most professionals would have lots to share, and it's not a privacy issue, she could talk about her experience in a generic way, or anything else having to do with her work without breaking any privacy laws. Instead she offers pat answers with that mm-hmm & nodding at the end, as if she's trying to fill the nothingness she's just created. She reminds me of a hustler, aka con artist.
She’s intelligent but not well spoken. She is nervous to be interviewed.
She’s a private investigator - claims to be a a forensic psychologist.
I love that when Mark mentioned that they must take a liking to her, she didnt let it go to her head, and instead explained why they took a liking to her.
She’s 100% right about the breakdown of the relationship between the mom and son here and they will commit other heinous crimes as well such as crimes against children. Tell all the young girls do NOT date a guy that hates his mom.
As one who talks with killers everyday at work, there should be a sense of confidentiality that you would maintain with these folks in order to continue with counseling. Maybe that's why she isn't giving up too much info.
then she should not have done the interview
Screw them people have a right to know about theses monsters lurking around our children and women, They should have zero rights and definitely no privacy should be a privilege not a right !
@@okaywow3486 Look for your beloved crime p¨rn somewhere else. You´re on the wrong website, dude. Rgr
Really? Because I thought it was fascinating. I wonder if the people who are complaining have thought about the bigger issues. It was obvious that she couldn't talk about specifics too much, probably for a variety of reasons. However, I thought there were a lot of interesting details.
She’s not a counselor. She’s a private investigator.
Just FYI, but HIPAA confidentiality regulations make clear that client/patient privacy doesn't end upon death.
She’s a PI with an undergrad degree in forensic psych. She claims to be a psychologist, she is not.
These researchers will never say no to the question of “can this person be rehabilitated?”. And notice how elusive she was about answering that.
These men can’t be rehabilitated. They’ve gone past a line and will never regard that line as anything tangible again. BUT if they admitted that they can’t be rehabilitated she’d be out of a hobby/job.
And don’t think for a minute that she isn’t obsessed with them. She’s pushed aside everything else in her life to be part of those men’s lives.
I was thinking the same thing! She's not just one of those girl's who's obsessed with a killer. She's the MOST obsessed with serial killer's
FACTS!!! I wouldn’t doubt if she romanticizes that crap.
Wow!! You seem to know it all! What´s your background and your education?? Basement psychologist from an Nigerian university?? Well done!!! Rgr
@@borano2031 simp.
She’s a researcher… she didn’t mention her university or who’s funding for her research/work.
Ι feel like she wanted to talk more about herself as a person than her area of research. Her knowledge in the subject did not exceed the knowledge most people who watch serial killer related shows have. She was not comfortable answering questions, which is probably uncommon for a prof interviewer. What's her education again? Cause she sounded like a serial killer fan not a serial killer researcher.
No education. She’s a private investigator.
Looks like a tough interview for ya mark! prolly the most asks I’ve seen in your interviews as she didn’t elaborate much at all…
I’d think her to be more charismatic, but then again, her role is listening , so prolly the reason for a somewhat awkward conversational interview.
This was a rare bad interview from SWU, unfortunately. It was frustrating how he kept leading her away from fascinating details into boring generalities. More pointed follow-up questions, and an intuition for what is interesting, were necessary. He should have let the whole interview focus on one or two cases (like the Bittaker one she kept bringing up) and simply guided her along with probing questions.
It's interesting how every comment here lies in one of two extremes - they either love it or hate it. Now I don't know if I should waste my time. 🤷🏼♀️
He asked her 3 times to relay interesting stories which she didn’t seem to want to do. And the creepiest thing she could think of was the “body swapping”? That was ridiculous. Mark’s questions weren’t the top of his game, for sure. Still love him though!❤❤
Give the guy a break, Laura is limited in what she can divulge.
Why don't you do a little research on the web about Bittaker and Norris? All the case file information is available. The nature of their sadism is inhuman, and the satisfaction they derived from the anguished screams of their female teenage victims as they cried out for 'mommy' is beyond sickening. That those two monsters never received death is proof of a broken justice system while they received visitors and 'fan mail' from deranged female 'fans.'
As for 'rehabilitation' of these monsters, there is none. J. Reid Meloy, in his book, The Psychopathic Mind, notes that the brains of psychopaths produce a hormone associated with predation in reptiles.
@@richardmartinez5032 I have read about them. It is sick beyond comprehension. (I do not ever want to hear those tapes.) I'm not sure what that has to do with my comment, though.
She's very guarded, which contradicts being open to Mark's interview. I'm not sure I get her. Also her body language is rigidly closed off with her arms crossed over her lap. Another contradiction is her choice of dress with the low neckline. I can't get a bead on her motivations.
Such an extreme let-down when Mark asks WHY she thinks the violence is the US is so extreme and this mf-ing airhead answers: HOLLYWOOD! OMG haha! "None are more hopelessly enslaved then those who falsely believe they are free" - Goethe
So prisoners in maximum security are not going to be cuffed or restrained in some way when meeting with visitors ?
Another great interview, she is good candidate for another. The most interesting thing for me was her observation that there are many more serial killers than we think.
100% there are way more than we think. And there are even more who fantasize but never go through with it. Just go to the comment section of a shock site. A lot of sick people out there.
@@Strings-jg2toWhat's a "shock site"?
@@Strings-jg2to Yeah, she mentioned new generation of men well prepared for being serial killers. Those sites should be prohibited for reasons she also explained. Just imagine numbers of men and women who will want to feel real killing and mutilating. Same for pedophile porn, they probably start with anime showing "children" and go on from there.
@@Strings-jg2to part of the dark web?
@@katherinechase3674 don't go looking for those things.
How does an 18 month old survive in an alley with dogs for 6 months with nobody noticing and intervening?? I wish she would elaborate on the lies they tell to diminish their ownership of their behavior. How is this study being conducted? I can't belive an 18 month old actually experienced that
Yeah I think she needs to realize that serial killers lie
I was really excited when I saw that you were interviewing Laura. Sadly, the interview was very underwhelming. Maybe she was just trying to promote an up and coming project or something...because she actually said very little in the interview.
It was tough getting her to expand on her answers
Very dark but a very much needed study. I have a friend who was murdered by a serial killer back in the 80's and wasn't caught until recently. Throughout his trial, he showed no remorse very reminiscent of what Ms. Brand was detailing. Great upload and thank you!
Which serial killer would that be? Genuinely curious. Sorry about your friend.
The monster's name is Horace Van Vaultz, Jr., 67 and was convicted of killing Mary Duggan (my high school friend) and Selena Keough. He was implicated in several other killings but most of the evidence was too degraded. The prosecutor called him a serial killer and so do it. RIP Mary. @@whatta7793
I am also fascinated by the psychology of serial killers. During college crim courses (early 80s), the prof took us to CMF-Vacaville where we met an inmate known for his genius I.Q. & his work reading books onto tape for the visually disabled, students, mostly. Only after we left did we learn his identity: Edmund Kemper, the "co-ed killer" of the 1970s. He's still alive, still at Vacaville. He had also turned himself in. An FBI agent & very early "profiler" (Robert Ressler) interviewed him (see Whoever Fights Monsters). He writes of a time during an interview with Kemper when the dinner bell rang & all the guards were tasked with getting the inmates to the food hall, including the guard standing by for Ressler. He writes of the moment when Kemper says "you know i could just reach across this table & snap your neck." I wonder if that's the panic button story she mentions. Note that Kemper pre-dated internet (porn & anything else). Not nearly the tv or movie violence then. Wasn't a drug user. Did tortue small animals as a child & did have mommy issues. One of the most interesting things about this research is just how varied the individual psychology (or psycopathy) is among them.