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I purchased a German made Beeman R10 about 30 years ago. It is in 20 cal. and of very high quality. I never really got to learn the gun because I was starting a new business. When I finally did have spare time I had gotten into bench rest shooting (center fire) . Now that I am retired I am very intrigued by all of the new PCP's on the market. I always enjoy seeing you guys talk and use air rifles.
Enjoyed watching , thanks 😊 I’m a new shooter at 69 years old bought a 177 Hatsan break barrel springer and I think I made the right decision I’m having a lot of fun 🤩
I have a similar story. At 65 years old I bought a Hatsan .95 .22 caliber to thin the squirrels. It was a very accurate springer after I discovered the artillery hold from gentleman being interviewed. And I loved the Tru Glow sights. Because of the weight of the springer when using offhand, I invested in a Hill MK4 hand pump, a Vortex Crossfire II, and a Gamo Urban PCP. I haven’t regretted it. I still enjoy shooting the springer, too.
I am getting back into airguns, and I had managed to find someone selling their old Benjamin discovery and pump with some of the mods that I considered myself years ago when I looked at the rifle. Really excited to get to shoot a gun I didn't think I'd manage to get over the years.
That's awesome. The Disco was my first PCP back in the day. Ended up modding that gun about as much as you could at the time. Multi-shot breech, double air tubes, shroud, custom stock...it was an awesome piece
My youngest and i went to a nra convention a few year back and shot airguns there. 1st time i ever shot a pcp. Wow. Totally different. The biggest consid consideration was refills honestly.
That was probably at our airgun range! Air sources have changed a lot in the last few years, the advent of the personal compressor has really made an impact in ease of adopting a PCP. Definitely something to consider.
I have a few years experience and a dozen guns, but enjoyed the chat and look forward to the next edition. Great advice to a newcomer and a solid start to your series. Keep them coming!
Hi-ho all!✨🤗✨ Folks, regarding the comment about the "Beeman P-17" needing fixing, with MINE it did, indeed, need ... THE FIX! - lol. As with MOST things in life, we get what we PAY for. I have no clue WHY, but a low percentage of these WONDERFUL pistols, at least WAY back when I purchased mine from "PA", have an 'issue' with the air intake hole; you can hear the air rush in as you FULLY open out the handle, place a pellet into the barrel, and then close back down to pressurize the thing. You see, there just MIGHT be a slight BURR on the outer edge of that hole, causing wear & tear on the seal (O-ring) as the seal passes over that air-inlet hole. As Mr. Gaylord mentions, you can easily FIX this small issue by just following the videos that have been produced addressing this. My simple 'fix' was to take the piston apart (SERIOUSLY this is easy-peasy), then I took one of the drill bits used for counter-sinking screw hole, and I MANUALLY, and with very little pressure, used the countersinker... is that a word?... to DE-BURR the edge; just used mah little ol' hand to do the turning. Any who, I THINK I have had the gun more than five years now, and I have had NO issues regarding the above. I can think of NO other avenue needed, regarding all of MY airgun needs, than Pyramyd Air. Sure wish I could find out WHY they spell their name the way they do! 😂😁
@@pyramydair I totally agree_ IF you like the thought of spending OVER TWO HUNDRED BUCKS for basically the same gun. 🙄 Me? I can live with the not-as-close tolarences, ESPECIALLY for the under fifty bucks you can still find them for... the P-17, of course. And, after firing BOTH for many, many rounds, and not finding much difference... if ANY... regarding accuracy, I seriously could care less about bragging rights - HEY, MAN- I GOT THE EXPENSIVE ONE! hee hee I do not own the P-3, but two friends do, and when THEY shot my 'cheap' version, they both got sort of that feeling of spending WAY more than needed for the same results. Y'all (PA) are da BEST for helping folks shoot, so THANKS!✨🤗✨
Great video! Looking forward to the series. Great points about the handgun side of air guns. I've always have been pulled to the rifles but will have to give a pistol a look see!
I grew up shooting birds with my brother with a daisy one cocktail bb gum. This was deadly and taught e about Kentucky windage cause we could see our bb's. Also taught us to spot and stalk our game. A little later as a teenager learned to shoot pistol with a Crosman co2 pistol. I have competed with pistol over the last 25 year's. I am getting into pcp over the last 3 years due to shortage. I'm amazed at the accuracy of these things and the adjustability Sort of like reloading I can taylor to my gun. Oh I do think dry file is better for practice especially if doing mag changes or moonclips if you're a revolver shooter. Everything remains consistent like weight trigger etc. But to each his own practice is most important
Dry fire is great practice, no doubt, especially for the reasons you mention. When it comes to teaching new shooters the ropes/basics and getting some feedback from the gun, that's where doing some work with an air pistol comes in handy. Personally, it's also nice to be able to work with a shot timer while using an airgun at home, but that's just me. So long as folks are getting out and doing some kind of practicing/training, that's what matters.
@@pyramydair I've had it since 2013 and it just shoots bulls eye after bulls eye, I was astonished upon receiving it, and I bought it form PyramidAir. Then I ventured into the PCP realm and bought the HW100 from you as well and you couldn't possibly ask for 2 better more accurate rifles. I know this is starting to sound sales pitchy but it couldn't be more true.
Started my journey with Airgunsa few months ago. Currently owning: 2 Hatsan rifels: Hatsan TG AirTact QE 4,5mm & Hatsan MOD 5 STG. Plus the mentioned Beeman P17. If you're new to Airguns start with a springer. It will give you more in terms of handling... but it's much cheaper and almsot 0 maintenance. You do not carry a tank/pump. Just take the gun your pellets and you are ready to go. They can be hard on scopes. But the mounted GAMO RRR seem to be keeping them alive jsut fine on both of my rifels. And I'm not using any premium scopes by any means. the AirTact is 14,9J and the Mod 5 16,7J. Just enough to get you into it. ;)
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Same here! It was when I started to graduate into the higher end springers that my eyes were opened. Once I understood the capabilities of a nice springer, then I couldn't help but wonder what the PCP world was all about. Once I dove in, I never looked back. Granted, I still shoot plenty of springers, but I tend to lean towards picking up a PCP first.
@@tylerpatner6591 Now I need to learn about pistols! Still not sending me a free Ruger Mark IV in canada Tyler? I know you got the plug! [Im mad I knew Larry Enticer haha} {Im just kidding 😁...but do you know about how much it would cost in shipping?..change rate is already a bummer}
@@LowkeyAirgunner Honestly, no idea, but if you add it to your cart and proceed through checkout, it should estimate shipping and the included fees for you before you get to the point of submitting the order.
Great advice. The challenge of learning to shoot a spring gun may seem off-putting if you want quick results and I think there is an argument for recommending PCPs over spring guns if hunting/pest control is the primary purpose. PCP guns simply make it easier to shoot a powerful airgun accurately and given the relatively low muzzle energy and lack of hydrostatic shock compared with firearms, accurate shot placement is a key factor. That's not to say spring or gas-piston rifles can't be very effective for hunting/pest control, they certainly can, it just takes more skill and effort from the shooter. The flip side is that the practice and shooter input required (and the tuning possibilities) makes spring rifles particularly satisfying to shoot and many enthusiasts who probably started out with a basic break-barrel who now own expensive PCPs can still appreciate the satisfaction and 'purity' (if that's the right word) of shooting a high quality spring rifle well.
.... New Airgunner Here🙋♂️! Great video, thanks! Question for you/anyone, I recently purchased a Umarex Air Javelin (excellent👍) and I just ordered a Benjamin Bulldog .357. If you had to pick one for home protection/self defense, which would be better?!? Thanks!!! Oh, and the "Build Your Own Pellets" April Fool's joke email, DEFINITELY got me 🤣!!! Whoever came up with that, is brilliant!!! 😎
Nice acquisitions. Quite honestly, neither would be ideal or recommended for home defense. If you think about what most people use when it comes to firearms for home defense, it's most commonly a semi-automatic, probably followed closely by pump action shotguns. Glad you liked the April Fool's day email! That was a fun one
If the only 2 options for home protection are the air javelin or the bulldog....go with the bulldog. Both will incapacitate an intruder. But under high stress situation, may be difficult to reload the air javelin. Bulldog has the 5 round clip. Simpler to get off the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th round. Just in case there are more than 1 intruder. Get a good laser sight for the bulldog. And practice using the bulldog in home protection situations. Become VERY familiar with your bulldog. And above all else...always practice proper gun safety. Can't stress that enough.
@@claytarjshay5091 .... Thanks 😁! Yes, I'm actually looking at lasers for it, now. And maybe a Fenix or Weltool light also. Unfortunately 😒, at the present time, something like those are my only options (I have both). Thanks again!
Hi Love such videos but missing Travis. Please imphesis the use case of .177 caliber heavy pellets from 20 joule rifle, as this only is allowed in my country India 🇮🇳.
It’s easy - first b.b Gun is Daisy 415. So much fun for the money. My favorite gun was my spear gun - shoot a 28 pound Ling Cod, and had many Dinners. Rock fish, and Ablone for 20 years - now I’m 76 = it’s Costco fish from now on. And shoot my b.b guns. Warning - very addicting.
A solid starter break barrel, welcome to the elite club of airgunners! Try to find a way to shoot a Beeman R9, and let us know how that trigger felt compared to Beeman Kodiak ;-)
That’s how I feel about it rather shoot springers and co2 .. for now pcp will come in time. Nice air gun side chat 😎👍🏻 Ps : what is the material used for the pellet trap 🪤 ?
@@PeterAgostiniJdcap26 rubber mulch is great. If you can't get it or don't want to pay for it, I often use old clothes stacked and packed into a simple cardboard box. Lasts thousands of rounds, and you're able to use all sides of the box.
@@tylerpatner6591 I use a box 📦 with a slit cut in the top for a cast iron cookie sheet slipped In at a angle inside in front of that I roll up rags tape with gorilla tape . after the front middle gets shot out . I cut a piece of cardboard and tape it to the front of box 📦 and put spat a burst target 🎯 on it . The whole box 📦 is taped with gorilla 🦍 tape to reinforce it . Thanks Tyler for your reply .
I was the guy they were talking to two years ago. I was interested in more trigger time without using expensive rimfire and centerfire ammo. I'm happy with the 0.177 ~$150 break barrel I got. I suggest 1300-1500 fps rating, with heavier pellets to slow that down to ~850 fps for stability. Today, maybe that's a ~$250 break barrel. If you're comfortable with 0.22 price/availability get that. Otherwise ~10gr 0.177.
Don't believe that 1300 to 1500 feet per second advertising on the box. Springers RARELY get the velocities stated by manufacturers ads. The higher the claimed velocity, the bigger the pile of BS. Steel spring or gas spring. Doesn't matter.
@@claytarjshay5091 You don't understand that number. It's an industry standard using a very light pellet. They all use the same pellet so the ratings are apples to apples comparison. From my research and experience, pellets are stable and group well up to about 800 fps. So the more powerful your rifle, the heavier pellet you need for good groups. 1300 fps is good maximum for 0.177, especially above sea level. Starting at 1400 fps, need bigger than 0.177.
@art smith. Sure I understand the numbers game. It's ALL about the sale. The average Joe "noob" has no idea that the manufacturer uses ultra light pellets to achieve those numbers. Probably a paper mache .177 pellet with an aluminum gas check. All of 3 grains in weight. So when average Joe goes to get pellets off the shelf, crosman 7.9 grain cphp are probably what he gets. So his 1300 fps springer is actually only doing 950 fps. Which is still extremely fast. But average Joe could have saved $200 by buying a springer that advertises 1000 fps and actually gets close to that at 950 fps using 7.9gr cphp pellets. And yes, I understand using heavier pellets to slow down velocity. My most recent purchase was a beeman chief 2 plus-s in .177. Box stated up to 1000 fps. So I chrono'd some crosman 7.9gr cphp pellets. 1027 fps. Some 10.5gr crosman dome pellets went through chrony at 948 fps. And tried some NSA 12.5gr slugs. Those went 878 fps. So at least in this case....there was truth in advertising. The beeman was box stock. No tweaking of the hammer spring. In conclusion, I believe there should be a standardized test pellet for each caliber. The weight of each test pellet being closer to what people actually use.
Is .177 still THE choice for field target? I've been out of the game, shooting 9mm and .223 for the last decade or so, but now I can't get primers and ammo is 200% what it was a couple years ago.
Yes, for sure, since the whole point is to go through a small kill zone, most people chose .177. Those few who go with .22, do that only because of being able to buck the wind better, but for FT distances it's less of an issue than BR.
I love shooting airguns, but I'm really not into real guns. Air guns just feel better you know, and it's not like if we're about to have a zombie apocalypse scenario anytime soon 😄
I don't agree with the "godfather". I think reading the reviews on the best airgun one can afford is the correct route. Compressors are sticking point at this time. I purchased a Bauer due to unreliability of all of the Chinese built compressors regardless of price. If you can afford an FX do it!
I tend to lean your way as well. But I get his point about not knowing what you don't know. Personally, I learned many years ago, that it's better to buy once, cry once. But the reality is that you're not buying once. Like most hobbies, it becomes an addiction and you find yourself justifying all sorts of crazy (read "great") purchases!
@@tylerpatner6591 Good point Tyler. Hobbies are multi faceted and come and go for people to be sure. I get what Tom is saying too. From my perspective I decide what the objective of the purchase is, do the research, ask a lot of questions of those in the know and then pull the trigger.
@@timpierce5772 Yeah, that's typically my method as well, but a lot of folks just want to jump in without doing much research and I think that's what Tom was getting at when he was talking about folks that are new to shooting.
@@tylerpatner6591 I purchased a Diana springer prior to ordering the FX. It's a great gun. However the limitations are obvious and had I known then what I know now it would have been an FX instead. Tom mentioned the progression from springers to PCP. It's exactly what happened in my air gunning story. The sales advocate at Pyramyd suggested I start with a Marauder but I was reluctant due to the charging issue, hand pump vs inexpensive compressor. In retrospect the Marauder would have been the better choice. An air tank would have resolved the compressor/hand pump dilemma. My advice to a new air gunner would be buy the best PCP you can afford and don't look back. The folks at Pyramyd are very knowledgeable and offer excellent advice to those just starting in the sport.
@@timpierce5772 Same thing for me Tim, actually I started with CO2, but then moved to more powerful springers and eventually to PCP. I think you're actually proving Tom's point about not knowing what you don't know. There are a lot of people that would probably be happier diving directly into the PCP end, but some folks are better off starting with a springer/gas ram. To each their own, the beauty is that we have those options in the market that suit just about everyone.
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RUBBER MULCH ! ! ! That tip alone was worth the time to watch this video. Thanks Pyramyd Air.
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I purchased a German made Beeman R10 about 30 years ago. It is in 20 cal. and of very high quality. I never really got to learn the gun because I was starting a new business. When I finally did have spare time I had gotten into bench rest shooting (center fire) . Now that I am retired I am very intrigued by all of the new PCP's on the market. I always enjoy seeing you guys talk and use air rifles.
Now is a great time to get back into it. So many great options that won't cost an arm and a leg. Thanks for watching!
Nice video. Good information. Looking forward to more from the GODFATHER.
More to come!
Enjoyed watching , thanks 😊 I’m a new shooter at 69 years old bought a 177 Hatsan break barrel springer and I think I made the right decision I’m having a lot of fun 🤩
That's what it's all about! Having fun is of the utmost importance.
I have a similar story. At 65 years old I bought a Hatsan .95 .22 caliber to thin the squirrels. It was a very accurate springer after I discovered the artillery hold from gentleman being interviewed. And I loved the Tru Glow sights. Because of the weight of the springer when using offhand, I invested in a Hill MK4 hand pump, a Vortex Crossfire II, and a Gamo Urban PCP. I haven’t regretted it. I still enjoy shooting the springer, too.
Good video with excellent information for all who use Airguns
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Good talk, good talk.
Thanks Haj!
Very sage advice! Great video! 👍❤️👍
Thanks so much!
Saying that newbies need to get used to 'follow threw, but did not discuss what it is, and how it affects your shooting
Tom has a great video on our channel about the artillery hold, go give it a look
I am getting back into airguns, and I had managed to find someone selling their old Benjamin discovery and pump with some of the mods that I considered myself years ago when I looked at the rifle. Really excited to get to shoot a gun I didn't think I'd manage to get over the years.
That's awesome. The Disco was my first PCP back in the day. Ended up modding that gun about as much as you could at the time. Multi-shot breech, double air tubes, shroud, custom stock...it was an awesome piece
Great advice. Thanks for the production. Looking forward to the whole series.
Thanks for watching
Very interesting video,thanks for the pieces of advice,regards
Thanks for watching!
My youngest and i went to a nra convention a few year back and shot airguns there. 1st time i ever shot a pcp. Wow. Totally different. The biggest consid consideration was refills honestly.
That was probably at our airgun range! Air sources have changed a lot in the last few years, the advent of the personal compressor has really made an impact in ease of adopting a PCP. Definitely something to consider.
I have a few years experience and a dozen guns, but enjoyed the chat and look forward to the next edition. Great advice to a newcomer and a solid start to your series. Keep them coming!
Good presentation guys. Looking forward to a bit more depth. 👍
More to come! Although, we did intend this for newbies. Thank you for watching!
Thank you for the educational video I've been shooting for 2 years now but would have started differently but I do love my 3 Avengers
Why, thank you!!!
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Much appreciated! Thank you
Hi-ho all!✨🤗✨
Folks, regarding the comment about the "Beeman P-17" needing fixing, with MINE it did, indeed, need ... THE FIX! - lol.
As with MOST things in life, we get what we PAY for. I have no clue WHY, but a low percentage of these WONDERFUL pistols, at least WAY back when I purchased mine from "PA", have an 'issue' with the air intake hole; you can hear the air rush in as you FULLY open out the handle, place a pellet into the barrel, and then close back down to pressurize the thing. You see, there just MIGHT be a slight BURR on the outer edge of that hole, causing wear & tear on the seal (O-ring) as the seal passes over that air-inlet hole. As Mr. Gaylord mentions, you can easily FIX this small issue by just following the videos that have been produced addressing this.
My simple 'fix' was to take the piston apart (SERIOUSLY this is easy-peasy), then I took one of the drill bits used for counter-sinking screw hole, and I MANUALLY, and with very little pressure, used the countersinker... is that a word?... to DE-BURR the edge; just used mah little ol' hand to do the turning. Any who, I THINK I have had the gun more than five years now, and I have had NO issues regarding the above.
I can think of NO other avenue needed, regarding all of MY airgun needs, than Pyramyd Air. Sure wish I could find out WHY they spell their name the way they do! 😂😁
Hear-hear... Beeman P3 if you don't want the headaches, German made, same amazing gun.
@@pyramydair I totally agree_ IF you like the thought of spending OVER TWO HUNDRED BUCKS for basically the same gun. 🙄
Me? I can live with the not-as-close tolarences, ESPECIALLY for the under fifty bucks you can still find them for... the P-17, of course. And, after firing BOTH for many, many rounds, and not finding much difference... if ANY... regarding accuracy, I seriously could care less about bragging rights - HEY, MAN- I GOT THE EXPENSIVE ONE! hee hee
I do not own the P-3, but two friends do, and when THEY shot my 'cheap' version, they both got sort of that feeling of spending WAY more than needed for the same results.
Y'all (PA) are da BEST for helping folks shoot, so THANKS!✨🤗✨
Wonderful job you 2!!!
Thank you! Cheers!
Great video...I cant wait to see the next one. Tyler and the Godfather....Silver surfer and Galatus...just cosmic airgun stuff!!
Love the marvel reference! Thanks for watching
Great video! Looking forward to the series. Great points about the handgun side of air guns. I've always have been pulled to the rifles but will have to give a pistol a look see!
They're a great choice if you're looking to get some trigger time without having to go to the range.
I grew up shooting birds with my brother with a daisy one cocktail bb gum. This was deadly and taught e about Kentucky windage cause we could see our bb's. Also taught us to spot and stalk our game. A little later as a teenager learned to shoot pistol with a Crosman co2 pistol. I have competed with pistol over the last 25 year's. I am getting into pcp over the last 3 years due to shortage. I'm amazed at the accuracy of these things and the adjustability Sort of like reloading I can taylor to my gun. Oh I do think dry file is better for practice especially if doing mag changes or moonclips if you're a revolver shooter. Everything remains consistent like weight trigger etc. But to each his own practice is most important
Dry fire is great practice, no doubt, especially for the reasons you mention. When it comes to teaching new shooters the ropes/basics and getting some feedback from the gun, that's where doing some work with an air pistol comes in handy. Personally, it's also nice to be able to work with a shot timer while using an airgun at home, but that's just me. So long as folks are getting out and doing some kind of practicing/training, that's what matters.
@@tylerpatner6591 yeah I use a shot timer also. Specially for improving draw and transition and measuring progress 👍
Air Arms Pro sport, The best springer I have ever had and will never replace. Impossible to regret getting a real air gun.
100% agreed!
@@pyramydair I've had it since 2013 and it just shoots bulls eye after bulls eye, I was astonished upon receiving it, and I bought it form PyramidAir. Then I ventured into the PCP realm and bought the HW100 from you as well and you couldn't possibly ask for 2 better more accurate rifles. I know this is starting to sound sales pitchy but it couldn't be more true.
If you don't go PCP out of the shoot.
Nothing wrong with that. PCP's aren't for everyone, there's no doubt about that. It's a good thing that we have options
@@michelj.gaudet5048 Did you read my statement ? I said not a break barrel designed.
Started my journey with Airgunsa few months ago. Currently owning: 2 Hatsan rifels: Hatsan TG AirTact QE 4,5mm & Hatsan MOD 5 STG. Plus the mentioned Beeman P17. If you're new to Airguns start with a springer. It will give you more in terms of handling... but it's much cheaper and almsot 0 maintenance. You do not carry a tank/pump. Just take the gun your pellets and you are ready to go. They can be hard on scopes. But the mounted GAMO RRR seem to be keeping them alive jsut fine on both of my rifels. And I'm not using any premium scopes by any means. the AirTact is 14,9J and the Mod 5 16,7J. Just enough to get you into it. ;)
Welcome to the club of elite folks who enjoy airguns!
Really enjoyed this. Very helpful to a new arigunner like myself!
Glad we could help!
The truth, honesty, expertise still comes from the mouths of "older" people. Think it will be a good series for new air gunners.
Thank you!
nice idea keep it up
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Great video, can’t wait for the rest👍🏽
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Good info....
Thank you!
Break barrels for sure did teach me alot on a budjet!
Id like a PCP eventually but the cost is slowing me down
Same here! It was when I started to graduate into the higher end springers that my eyes were opened. Once I understood the capabilities of a nice springer, then I couldn't help but wonder what the PCP world was all about. Once I dove in, I never looked back. Granted, I still shoot plenty of springers, but I tend to lean towards picking up a PCP first.
@@tylerpatner6591 Now I need to learn about pistols!
Still not sending me a free Ruger Mark IV in canada Tyler?
I know you got the plug!
[Im mad I knew Larry Enticer haha}
{Im just kidding 😁...but do you know about how much it would cost in shipping?..change rate is already a bummer}
@@LowkeyAirgunner Honestly, no idea, but if you add it to your cart and proceed through checkout, it should estimate shipping and the included fees for you before you get to the point of submitting the order.
I'm still enjoying my multi pump Benjamin 397 and 392. 😃
Nice video I like you video 👍
Thanks!
🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟; I only bin shooting 'bout 75 yrs & I liked it Wary Much!! P.S. Only Accurate P guns R worth havin 🤩
Or as Townsend Whelen said - "only accurate guns are interesting"
Great video thank you
Glad you enjoyed it
Great advice. The challenge of learning to shoot a spring gun may seem off-putting if you want quick results and I think there is an argument for recommending PCPs over spring guns if hunting/pest control is the primary purpose. PCP guns simply make it easier to shoot a powerful airgun accurately and given the relatively low muzzle energy and lack of hydrostatic shock compared with firearms, accurate shot placement is a key factor. That's not to say spring or gas-piston rifles can't be very effective for hunting/pest control, they certainly can, it just takes more skill and effort from the shooter. The flip side is that the practice and shooter input required (and the tuning possibilities) makes spring rifles particularly satisfying to shoot and many enthusiasts who probably started out with a basic break-barrel who now own expensive PCPs can still appreciate the satisfaction and 'purity' (if that's the right word) of shooting a high quality spring rifle well.
Thank you for watching!
Great discussion!
Thank you for watching!
Tyler, this was a home run video, I will look forward to the next ones!
Sharing
Thank you!
Some great info here, Thanks.
You bet!
I enjoy this show format and want more of it. You both have such interesting insight. Please keep producing more like this!
You better believe it!
.... New Airgunner Here🙋♂️! Great video, thanks! Question for you/anyone, I recently purchased a Umarex Air Javelin (excellent👍) and I just ordered a Benjamin Bulldog .357. If you had to pick one for home protection/self defense, which would be better?!? Thanks!!! Oh, and the "Build Your Own Pellets" April Fool's joke email, DEFINITELY got me 🤣!!! Whoever came up with that, is brilliant!!! 😎
Nice acquisitions. Quite honestly, neither would be ideal or recommended for home defense. If you think about what most people use when it comes to firearms for home defense, it's most commonly a semi-automatic, probably followed closely by pump action shotguns.
Glad you liked the April Fool's day email! That was a fun one
@@tylerpatner6591 .... Yes, the email was great!!! Unfortunately, my options are sorta limited, right now 🙄😒.
If the only 2 options for home protection are the air javelin or the bulldog....go with the bulldog. Both will incapacitate an intruder. But under high stress situation, may be difficult to reload the air javelin. Bulldog has the 5 round clip. Simpler to get off the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th round. Just in case there are more than 1 intruder. Get a good laser sight for the bulldog. And practice using the bulldog in home protection situations. Become VERY familiar with your bulldog. And above all else...always practice proper gun safety. Can't stress that enough.
@@claytarjshay5091 .... Thanks 😁! Yes, I'm actually looking at lasers for it, now. And maybe a Fenix or Weltool light also. Unfortunately 😒, at the present time, something like those are my only options (I have both). Thanks again!
Love the gamekeeper 😉😎😁
It's the buddy bottle airgun above Tom's head, rarer than a 🦄
Right? There is some really cool stuff in the background if you know airguns ;-)
Great stuff! I'm looking forward to the rest of the series; thank you. :)
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Nice video and I totally predicted this; I love the p17
Hi
Love such videos but missing Travis.
Please imphesis the use case of .177 caliber heavy pellets from 20 joule rifle, as this only is allowed in my country India 🇮🇳.
It’s easy - first b.b Gun is Daisy 415. So much fun for the money. My favorite gun was my spear gun - shoot a 28 pound Ling Cod, and had many Dinners. Rock fish, and Ablone for 20 years - now I’m 76 = it’s Costco fish from now on. And shoot my b.b guns. Warning - very addicting.
It's addicting, yet compared to plinking with firearms, it's REALLY affordable!
I'm a gun owner and carrier. I just got into adult air rifles . My first is a beeman kodiak x2 , .177and.22
A solid starter break barrel, welcome to the elite club of airgunners! Try to find a way to shoot a Beeman R9, and let us know how that trigger felt compared to Beeman Kodiak ;-)
@@pyramydair I'm a airgunner on a budget lol
I have 4 break barrel and 4 PCP I wish I knew about the PCP first because I never use my break barrels anymore
That’s how I feel about it rather shoot springers and co2 .. for now pcp will come in time. Nice air gun side chat 😎👍🏻
Ps : what is the material used for the pellet trap 🪤 ?
Sounds like landscape shredded rubber mulch in a cardboard box.
@@artsmith103 that stuff I looked up is $37 to $49 a bag . I thought he may of said the putty that they sell ?
@@PeterAgostiniJdcap26 My comment was deleted. I saw some in big box store, $7.20 for 0.8 ft^3.
@@PeterAgostiniJdcap26 rubber mulch is great. If you can't get it or don't want to pay for it, I often use old clothes stacked and packed into a simple cardboard box. Lasts thousands of rounds, and you're able to use all sides of the box.
@@tylerpatner6591 I use a box 📦 with a slit cut in the top for a cast iron cookie sheet slipped In at a angle inside in front of that I roll up rags tape with gorilla tape . after the front middle gets shot out . I cut a piece of cardboard and tape it to the front of box 📦 and put spat a burst target 🎯 on it . The whole box 📦 is taped with gorilla 🦍 tape to reinforce it . Thanks Tyler for your reply .
I like all guns but I love my pcp air rifle
You have gone to the dark side...
I was the guy they were talking to two years ago. I was interested in more trigger time without using expensive rimfire and centerfire ammo. I'm happy with the 0.177 ~$150 break barrel I got. I suggest 1300-1500 fps rating, with heavier pellets to slow that down to ~850 fps for stability. Today, maybe that's a ~$250 break barrel. If you're comfortable with 0.22 price/availability get that. Otherwise ~10gr 0.177.
Thank you!
Don't believe that 1300 to 1500 feet per second advertising on the box. Springers RARELY get the velocities stated by manufacturers ads.
The higher the claimed velocity, the bigger the pile of BS. Steel spring or gas spring. Doesn't matter.
@@claytarjshay5091 You don't understand that number. It's an industry standard using a very light pellet. They all use the same pellet so the ratings are apples to apples comparison. From my research and experience, pellets are stable and group well up to about 800 fps. So the more powerful your rifle, the heavier pellet you need for good groups. 1300 fps is good maximum for 0.177, especially above sea level. Starting at 1400 fps, need bigger than 0.177.
@art smith. Sure I understand the numbers game. It's ALL about the sale. The average Joe "noob" has no idea that the manufacturer uses ultra light pellets to achieve those numbers. Probably a paper mache .177 pellet with an aluminum gas check. All of 3 grains in weight. So when average Joe goes to get pellets off the shelf, crosman 7.9 grain cphp are probably what he gets. So his 1300 fps springer is actually only doing 950 fps. Which is still extremely fast. But average Joe could have saved $200 by buying a springer that advertises 1000 fps and actually gets close to that at 950 fps using 7.9gr cphp pellets. And yes, I understand using heavier pellets to slow down velocity. My most recent purchase was a beeman chief 2 plus-s in .177. Box stated up to 1000 fps. So I chrono'd some crosman 7.9gr cphp pellets. 1027 fps. Some 10.5gr crosman dome pellets went through chrony at 948 fps. And tried some NSA 12.5gr slugs. Those went 878 fps. So at least in this case....there was truth in advertising. The beeman was box stock. No tweaking of the hammer spring. In conclusion, I believe there should be a standardized test pellet for each caliber. The weight of each test pellet being closer to what people actually use.
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for some one coming from a spring gun. is a regulated pcp really needed or a unreg gun just as good to start with next question bullpup or rifle
Is .177 still THE choice for field target? I've been out of the game, shooting 9mm and .223 for the last decade or so, but now I can't get primers and ammo is 200% what it was a couple years ago.
Yes, for sure, since the whole point is to go through a small kill zone, most people chose .177. Those few who go with .22, do that only because of being able to buck the wind better, but for FT distances it's less of an issue than BR.
I love shooting airguns, but I'm really not into real guns. Air guns just feel better you know, and it's not like if we're about to have a zombie apocalypse scenario anytime soon 😄
I don't agree with the "godfather". I think reading the reviews on the best airgun one can afford is the correct route. Compressors are sticking point at this time. I purchased a Bauer due to unreliability of all of the Chinese built compressors regardless of price. If you can afford an FX do it!
I tend to lean your way as well. But I get his point about not knowing what you don't know. Personally, I learned many years ago, that it's better to buy once, cry once. But the reality is that you're not buying once. Like most hobbies, it becomes an addiction and you find yourself justifying all sorts of crazy (read "great") purchases!
@@tylerpatner6591 Good point Tyler. Hobbies are multi faceted and come and go for people to be sure. I get what Tom is saying too. From my perspective I decide what the objective of the purchase is, do the research, ask a lot of questions of those in the know and then pull the trigger.
@@timpierce5772 Yeah, that's typically my method as well, but a lot of folks just want to jump in without doing much research and I think that's what Tom was getting at when he was talking about folks that are new to shooting.
@@tylerpatner6591 I purchased a Diana springer prior to ordering the FX. It's a great gun. However the limitations are obvious and had I known then what I know now it would have been an FX instead. Tom mentioned the progression from springers to PCP. It's exactly what happened in my air gunning story. The sales advocate at Pyramyd suggested I start with a Marauder but I was reluctant due to the charging issue, hand pump vs inexpensive compressor. In retrospect the Marauder would have been the better choice. An air tank would have resolved the compressor/hand pump dilemma. My advice to a new air gunner would be buy the best PCP you can afford and don't look back. The folks at Pyramyd are very knowledgeable and offer excellent advice to those just starting in the sport.
@@timpierce5772 Same thing for me Tim, actually I started with CO2, but then moved to more powerful springers and eventually to PCP. I think you're actually proving Tom's point about not knowing what you don't know. There are a lot of people that would probably be happier diving directly into the PCP end, but some folks are better off starting with a springer/gas ram. To each their own, the beauty is that we have those options in the market that suit just about everyone.
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Or why don’t you just start out with a pump pistol ….learn the basics and grow from there
Nothing wrong with that, everyone has their own path
Killed somebody in church, OMG!
TOTAL BS
Just 2 people talking shop. That's all...