MS-01 First Look, An All-New Ultra Fast Mini PC With GPU Support! Hands On
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- In this video we go hands on with the all new minis forum MS-01, An ultra Fast Mini PC workstation that you can add a low profile GPU to! With Dual 10 Gigabit Ethernet USB 4, A 14 Core i9 CPU and a Super Small form facto this new mini pc is FAST.
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Just a few clarifications: they're 10 GBe SFP+ ports, not ethernet ports. The adapter is an M.2 to U.2 adapter, not a SATA adapter. And once you enable U.2 for the far most right slot, you should not put an NVMe in it, unless you'd like to make it a brick, since u.2 requires 12 volts to power the drive. Also, this has been tested by ServeTheHome with 48 GB DIMM's of nonbinary DDR5, so it can support 96 GB. I know you mostly focus on gaming, but this is a homelabbers dream mini PC. 3 of them would give you an awesome HCI cluster on Proxmox. Also, happy new year!
ETA: PCIE x16 means a single slot gpu
Homelabber: But can I bifurcate it for 4 more m.2 drives?!
😂
Your confusing layer 1 port and media types with layer 2 protocol. Sfp+ can be used with any number of media type modules but they are all still Ethernet. The original Ethernet is actually bnc which uses a coax cable.
He still telling shit
what NICs are they? Realtek, intel?
@@psycl0ptichopefully not realtek lol
Dear @etaprime , Thank you for all your videos, wish you even better 2024.
Two weeks ago, I got miniPC with AMD 7840HS APU, also thanks to your videos about it. And that thing is a blast. For 550USD I have a machine with 32Gb DDR5 5600 and 1Tb SSD.
Here are my benchmark results:
Geekbench 6 : SingleCore: 2624, MultiCore: 13034
FurMark: 33FPS (pulling around 48W)
3D Mark Nigh Raid: GPU score: 36186 CPU score: 14546 (seems like AMD cpu is stronger, but of course iGPU is not vs actual graphic card)
3D Mark FireStrike: GPU score: 8378, Physics score: 27789, combined 2952, good for 60+ FPS in BFV @1080p Ultra settings
3D Mark Time Spy: GPU score: 2976, CPU score: 10484, not really far off that MiniPC
Tomb Raider: 56 FPS for the same settings.
Feels like one of those pieces of tech that are always written of as a business expense but are kept home.
ETA Prime forgot to mention when listing the ports, but those 2 in the middle are full speed USB4 40Gbit ports. So this system suddenly became much more attractive to me.
It's really impressive how small those things can be, even with a dGPU installed. Crazy!
I wish my ex found small things impressive
@@pepito69 🤣
The HDMI port is HDMI 2.0 max out at 4k@60hz so if you want higher refresh rate you will need an adapter for the USB4 type C. Also the second eth is vPro capable so you can remote into it like IPMI but you will need a dummy HDMI plug or connected to a monitor.
Also there is a little switch to toggle between U.2 and M.2 for the first m.2 slot. Do not forget to toggle it back to m.2 if you choose to install an m.2 nvme otherwise you will brick the drive.
The 3 m.2 slots are not all the same, the first one is PCIe-gen 4 4x the second one is PCIe- Gen3 4x the last one is PCI-e Gen3 2x.
Power envelope can be adjusted in the BIOS, it will dial down once a PCI-e card is installed but can be dial up again.
The WiFi card is MediaTek not intel.
The big advantage of this system is the dual sfp+ ports. This makes it very interesting for a home lab virtualizatuon system.
Mini PC is the future 🔥🔥
They make more sense than a laptop for most consumers.
@conchobar Yeah, I'm seriously thinking about getting one of the mini PCs mentioned on this channel (or future ones) that can I can game on when it's time to replace my current gaming laptop. I already have a 1440p monitor the laptop is connected to, so why not? I'm excited to see these mini PCs get better & better!
@@Cakebatterednah not really they still use more electricity than laptops.
The only problem is the portability and temperatures. But laptops do have temperature problems as well.
@@briankingham175try checking the 4060 mini ITX build from this channel. It has good performance but it's slightly worthless for the price. It's expensive to make it and you'd be better off buying a used GPU and getting a better power supply.
Amazing having those SFP ports on there. Could be real handy machine.
It's one little m.2 card away from being a beast of a file server.
Man, a 30TB U.2 and an A2000 + 10Gb switch would make this into the ultimate mini Plex Server with Transcoding.
Would a a4000 fit
ETA said the A2000 wouldn't fit, would love confirmation on this
@@JimmyJoeMcGurl short circuit had a video with them putting a a2000 inside of it live.
@@Spencerwalker21ah thanks so much man, gonna check it out. The one thing I just noticed looking around RUclips is that minisforum posted a video of this 3days ago showing an A2000 going in but needing a cooler mod to make it fit. Also of note is that I looked around the internet for a cooler mod for a while and there seems to be no widely available one to purchase. Some people made them on forums, but I didn't see the one minisforum used anywhere. Would be cool if they sold it as an optional add-on or something
Nice mini workstation 👍 with i9-13900H (14c/20t) + RX6400, showing decent power consumption at-the-wall. Guessing maybe it is not quiet. (I remain p4r4n01d about ITD Intel Thread Director though I probably should not be.)
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Always enjoy your videos, but I have one small request: can you call out HDMI 2.0 vs HDMI 2.1 ports? With 1440p and 4k being so common, understanding the limits of the port at a glance would be very helpful!
This unit is HDMI V2.0
This PC could be cool with a modded case for a dual slot GPU.
In addition to see your testing treatment on this machine with MORE graphics power, I’d like to see how it fares with LESS. Can you do a video testing it as it ships? Using the iGPU?
I’m new to the channel and greatly enjoy your videos. You have a way of enthusiastically presenting but with no hype. Please keep up the great work.
I bought one sight unseen 4 days ago. The moment i saw Dual USB4 and DUAL SPF+ i bought one! I was hoping to see a video about it. I plan to run ProxMox. Would love to see an external GPU using a PCIe extension or riser cable, would love to see what a 4090 with external power supply and some 3d Printing could do! Thanks for the video.
For sure. Even without a GPU in that slot it's still a networking beast. Imagine if you could get an m.2 card in that slot for a really tiny all-SSD storage server. The Intel iGPUs are little beasts for transcoding as well.
@@DigitalJedi Yeah this will be great as my on set backup computer for footage. An 8TB Raid 0 would be awesome in that slot for those kind of days.
@@PNW-JT Already have a Meshilicious. It still takes up a lot of space kinda. This will be my on set footage backup/Server/NDI Streamer for my films. The 4090 will stay at home unless needed for AI or Unreal Engine on set. Although UE might require more than 1 PCIe for Genlock but we'll see what we can do when i finally get it in my hands. If i really like it i was also thinking Cluster at some point but i don't think i need it or understand what its for exactly other than having super reliability.
I think you might be able to do this with the GZOSMETA EG01 PCIe Gen 5 x16 enclosure kit from Taobao. The enclosure kit includes a half-height PCIe x16 to MCIO connector card and some MCIO cables and can connect to the MCIO connectors at the enclosure.
This with a usb 4 gpu enclosure would be very cool.
Happy new year ETA 🔥❣️
A 24TB Emulation and games server, smaller than a limited edition, late 90's - early 2000's, midnight release of Unreal Tournament? Damn!
To the point as usual. Good info, good video.
It's such a small unit I'm worried about the temperature with extended high performance use. I'd like to see someone do at least a 24 hour stress test and see what the temperature is for each 15 minutes of the test. I'm thinking the NVME drives are gonna run real hot with what appears to be a small fan and it doesn't look like it's even ducted. It would be interesting to run a clustered video management system with 60-75 4k cameras.
How about doing a follow-up with an Oculink 8x adapter and an external GPU? See how this fares with a RTX 4090!
I think you might be able to do this by getting the GZOSMETA EG01 PCIe Gen 5 x16 enclosure kit from Taobao. Based on the pictures, the enclosure kit includes a half-height PCIe x16 to MCIO connector card and some MCIO cables and can connect to the MCIO connectors at the enclosure.
I was thinking of doing the same thing, has anyone tested this before?
@ETA PRIME any chance you can ask minisforum about the A2000 compatibility situation? Seems a little misleading as the only way to fit an a2000 is to find a VERY difficult to source mobile version put onto a desktop PCB, or as they showed in a recent video, swap out the low profile A2000 OEM cooler for a single slot height cooler, which can't be purchased anywhere, and seems to be only able to be custom made. Thanks, hopefully you see this
Be aware, that the Nvidia RTC4000SFF GPU has a PCI-16 interface; the Minisforum MS-01's PCI slot is Gen4, eight-Lane, so 1/2 throughput.
Just set up my Venus UM790 Pro this past weekend and it's great. But my goodness. There's no way to keep ahead of the technology.
yes i would love to see the a2000, would really like to see Ark SE although i know you never run that. Keep up the great work!
There's a role for mini PCs. This isn't it. If you're engaged in the type of workloads that require an i9, a $700-830 mini PC that you then have to spend an additional $120-150 on a GPU for, just bite the bullet and build a mini ITX rig. Will they be a little bigger? Yes, but you'll actually be able to use the RTX A2000 and other dual slot cards, which Minisforum is being kind of slippery about advertising support for when they know they won't fit unless you buy a riser cable and run it topless, which only further increases the cost of this. Plus you'll have regular BIOS updates, good manufacturer support (my experience with multiple mini PC OEMs has not been great overall), and you'll be able to upgrade bits and pieces as needed instead of putting your entire $700 mini PC off to the side and buying a new one. And, again, personal experience only, maybe it's the excess heat, maybe it's a product of mini PCs coming off of the same production lines and just being slapped with different brand names while retaining all the same problems, whatever the case may be, a mini PC is not going to last as long as a traditional desktop PC. I don't know how long you keep your mini PCs in service ETA Prime, but my experience is that the lower-end Celeron units tend to die in 6-12 months (if not out of the box), the higher-end i7/Ryzen 7 units tend to be unusable in 12-18 months, but the midrange i3 and i5 (and Ryzen equivalents) hold up...sweet spot in terms of manufacturing quality and thermal demands?
Mini PCs are great if you just need a streaming PC, a HTPC, a home server, something lightweight like that, or even a basic low-end home desktop or secondary rig. A $830 daily driver with an i9? No. It just doesn't make sense. I just went onto PCPartPicker and in the space of 3 minutes slapped together a mini ITX system with a R7 7700 that matches these specs but is housed in Thermaltake Core V1. Larger, yes, but still compact compared to most MicroATX cases, capable of supporting coolers that allow CPUs to turbo for more than a few seconds, and quieter as a result. Point being, if you need a level of power that makes an i9, even a mobile i9, make sense as a daily driver, you need to be looking at ITX options you can build yourself for less than what a much louder, hotter, throttled mini PC will run you.
Mini PCs are not bad products. I've owned several, and I'm currently using an N95 unit as an HTPC and a 5600H unit as a secondary system/backup storage box in my home office, but they are not capable replacements for gaming or professional desktops, and they need to stop being marketed as such.
a server running multiple containers and VMs could use that i9 while running headless, not all cpu intensive tasks need graphics.
@@IsoMacintosh Maybe the point wasn't clear: there is no reason to spend $830 on something with poor QA, poor manufacturer support and a short shelf life. High-end mini PCs are worse performers at the same price as even ITX desktops. This has a mobile i9 that it can't cool, and ETA Prime quickly brushed that under the rug with the equivalent of "it's good enough".
If your $830 PC can't cool the CPU running it, and an $830 ITX PC with the same performance could, you bought the wrong PC, and reviewers are doing you and everyone else a disservice by continuing to plug a company with poor design decisions and shady business practices. It ultimately calls the reviewer's own business practices into question.
@@aisle9As the owner of 3 MinisForum mini-pc's, I have feedback for you. I have beat the crap out of the units I have purchased with different OS, different SSD's and different RAM. Benchmarked and stress tested the snot out of them. If you run these within their design & performance envelope they will hold up and last. But if you attempt to push beyond their specifications your results can vary and you will shorten their life or outright brick them. They are low cost, but attempt to represent high value. It's when people try to make them something they aren't they stumble. MinisForum does not pretend they are a Tier 1 tech provider and you do not see them exclaiming their super warranties. But they do offer adequate support if done in the correct forum and with a good attitude. Mini-pc designs are required to balance certain features to stay within its cost and power budgets, but still carry a minimal level of flexibility. As long as one can stay within those parameters, then they have a product for you. Yes, anyone can go build some ITX whatever, but many don't want too. They just want it to work.
As for ETA and MinisForum, ETA reviews *a lot* of third tier product, much from AliXpress. It's not unusual for any vendor to send a reviewer like ETA product in advance. If the product is average in totality, he will say so. He only reviews it's ability to run games and emulation.
As for me, I don't even game...I use ETA's reviews to assess mini platforms to run virtualization in extreme conditions, which is exactly what ETA does, he pushes games as high as the equipment allows and that informs me. I don't think ETA is in anyone's pocket but on the flip side, MinisForum is no one's stooge, they get great feedback on these forums on what customers do with their stuff or what people are looking for.
Very good, channel. I love new technologys.
That is absolutely insane for the size. I want one
Happy new year eta & everyone 🎉🎉🎉 May this year be crazy awesome😊
this looks cool, I wish they could make the case a little more taller to support a dual slot gpu
Wow this would make a KILLER Hackintosh with all those specs. 96gb ddr5 ram, 4tb nvme gen4 and space for more drives (though at gen 3) 2x 10gbe 2x usb 4 thunderbolts... Very nice. Though the heat and noise I wonder.
What keyboard is in the thumbnail for the video? I like the color scheme on that thing
This model seems like an odd fit for gaming or workstation use to me. Seems like it would be a great fit with all the storage and network for a mini home lab server host. Maybe use the PCIe slot for more storage.
Definition of a workstation varies depending on your requirements. Some only need a low power Quadro or Fire. Also many firms doing engineering are on 10Gbe networks. By leaving the slot empty gives you options within its power profile.
Thanks lot for useful information, especially regarding GPU.
Happy new year from Rome Italy! 🎉🎊
Love to see tests of a GPU specifically for video editing...
This thing is awesome including the price. A lower end version with a 7840U or an i5, only 2.5 Gb Ethernet would take this to a much nicer price point.
What's the power draw on this thing? I got tired of paying $400 a month electric bills so I had to shut down my home lab. I've been trying to spec out a low wattage version ever since.
I got a mini pc with a ryzen 7 5700u and 16gb of 3200 ddr4 runs pretty well actually. It's a 2nd pc to my alienware desktop
At 1:41
Rear I/O....
You failed to mention the two USBC connectors between the HDMI and the ethernet....
If they would just make PCs like this about an inch taller, slightly more power for power supply and make all the m.2 slots Gen 4 these things would even more amazing and still super portable. May look at a more powerful single slot graphis card because this still could be a great mini pc.
There is plenty I don't like about it as well but I'm looking to build a 5L pc. I'm looking at the MinisForum mobos w/cpus like the AR900i, BD770i and I think the BD790i will be a beast but I like the AR900i because it has 4xm.2.@@PNW-JT
The RX 6400 is impressive provided you use a pci 3.0 slot at the very least.
Thank you for the idle power draw measurement. It's hard to find, sadly. Although I'd have been interested to know the idle without the extra GPU, and maybe also with disabling the 10G ports.
where do you even get single slot low profile a2000 from? I can't find any for sale.
I have that very same rx 6400 card in a lenovo thinkstation tiny pc with a Intel Core i7 10700t, and it gets pretty toasty in there.
Hopefully we can revisit this mini pc with some other gpu options, as well as egpu performance. I'm curious about how u will shoehorn the A2000 in
I hope they release an AMD/Ryzen version soon.
You didn't mention the dual USB4 ports on the rear. Were they disabled for this model? That many USB3 or better ports on the rear looks great to me, as well as the multiple internal M.2 slots. I archive my professional video footage I shoot for my clients for years, so seeing the option to have several large (and VERY FAST) internal long-term storage drives with multiple external RAID connections on the rear looks very appealing to me.
Happy New year ETA prime 🎉
I want this thing with a 4*M.2 bifurcation card for a powerful nano server.
Also at 1:03 this looks like it might be a U.2 or even a SAS adapter, probably a U.2 because it doesnt look like its a straight PCIe passthrough without a SAS controller on it, though it may be on the back side
Edit: 1:55 Oh dang, its a 4x slot, can only add 2 M.2 cards unless this slot supports 8x down to 2x2x2x2x which would still be more than fast enough considering there are 3 more on the back
@@PNW-JT It works with my 3600X, 4650G, 7950X and 12600k, it seems to be up to the motherboard not the CPU to support bifurcation.
I think even Atom processors support bifurcation though they only have 9 PCIe lanes to go around
@@PNW-JT want your mind blown?
On my 7950X server i have a 4X M.2 bifurcation card, and on that card i have 4 M.2 to U.2 adapters connected to 4xOptane 905P 1TB drives to act as cache and special metadata.
Wish PCIe re-drivers werent so expensive, or i'd get one of those 16x4.0 to 32x3.0 re-drivers and throw 4 more NVMe drives in.
3.0 is plenty fast for my needs, heck i'd be happy with 2.0 speeds as long as latency isnt reduced by much.
ON the subject of RAM, while only 64GB is listed as supported currently, this machine should support 96 and 128GB dimms when they come out for a total of up to 256GB, assuming they dont decide to hold back those higher capacities so DDR6 looks better.
Keep in mind that more than 32GB SODIMM will likely result in speeds slower than 4000MT/s with very poor timings, making it effectively slower than DDR4, but worth it if you need the extra RAM.
Thanks! I was absolutely going to load it up with 64GB and i was wondering if the speed was going to matter. Now i can save some money!! Also the Intel spec sheet says 64GB as the max supported by the CPU. I kinda wanna buy the 48GB Dimms and see if it will work...
@@techknowbabble 64GB should still hit 5600 if you have a good kit, but 128/192/256 are going to be an issue on these early DDR5 controllers, remember how DDR4 was kinda stuck around 2133 for a while on laptop then the Zen2 and Intel 10th gen came out and all of a sudden if you had a good kit you could do 3600, or upwards of 5000 with desktop dimms.
@@denvera1g1 what about 96GB, i'm about to pull the trigger on some 5600 DDR5
@@techknowbabble I dont know about laptop SODIMM but i remember reading that they were surprised desktop uDIMMs were binning better on the 24/48GB modules than expected.
It is really up to the manufacturer of the computer, my minisforum and beelink will both drop down really low if you're not using a 16GB kit, or a very speciffic 32GB kit, and its probably not up to the kit, but the board manufacturer.
quick Q: what is the keyboard shown in the thumbnail of this video?
I'm drooling to get this for my homelab but I can't justify it. My Raspberry Pi5 is doing a great job with CasaOS for now while sipping much lower power. 😅
What an impressive mini PC. I don't like the idea of not being able to close the cover with a dual slot card. However, if it can run the A2000... it can run a ADA 4000 SFF. Even though I'm not a big fan of the 6400, this would make a killer emulation box. Maybe we'll get some single slot 3050 6GB LP cards. The one thing I wish is the chassis didn't look so cheap.
I think the a 4000 requires an 8 pin connector. Pretty good card for it's size. Sadly, there's no competition in that space.
There are already some 3050-mobile single-slot cards in non-US markets. If you could find one of those with the 6GB config it would be a little beast. 65W might be a little spicy in this form factor but it's a laptop die meant for low-end gaming laptops.
@@DigitalJedi I've been wanting to get my hands on one, but after they announced an official release, I decided to just wait. I'm guessing the non-US market cards are being extracted from used laptops, while the new ones will just be new laptop dies that didn't find their way into previous gen laptops, and they need to find some way to move them. I'm expecting it to fall between the 1650 equivalents and the A2000, in terms of performance. Here's to hoping they don't sell for more than $170. A $170 LP 3050 6GB wouldn't actually be a bad value if it's notably faster than the 1650, which is selling for around $150 used.
@@justinpatterson5291 For gaming, the 4060 would be that competition, and I would love to see them compared head to head. Now, the 4060 does have an 8-pin connector, the 4000 SFF does not. It is slot powered.
I would be very interested to see a high end GPU installed. I have this unit on order but wasn't sure what GPU would fit while providing the best performance.
Have you considered looking at the GZOSMETA EG01 eGPU enclosure kit and test with a bigger GPU?
Are you running Windows 11 Home or Pro edition? Reason I ask is, when I tried to upgrade my UM790 Pro, I am advised the Mini PC does not meet the minimum requirements (lacking support for Microsoft TPM 2.0. AFAIK. Also, what other higher end GPU cards could you recommend if to go higher then the Radeon 6400? Thanks.
gdi, I JUST bought four BD770is, picked specifically because I could use the slot for a 10G NIC because you can't buy Mini-ITX systems with 10G built in, and discovered that having the NIC in there causes the BIOS to get screwed up and the board to have trouble booting. and now you can't buy an MS-01 barebones. I love the homelab hobby but damn if it isn't a PITA to try to nail down the right hardware.
Id much rather buy one of these over a latop! One of these and a small portable 15in screen is all I need 😍
I'd like to see a slightly taller one that could handle a dual slot card. Would also allow for more cpu cooling and maybe even a socketed 65w ryzen cpu
I think Dell has a new single slot 6GB card on their site...ARCPro A40 and the A50 looks like the A2000.
Looks like a perfect SSD nas!
Would like to see the new A4000 Ada in there
I would like to see if you do a review with the NVIDIA A4000 SFF Ada 16GB GPU installed in the MS-01.
Love the rx6400 it fits
I would love this form factor but with a 8 core AMD 7000 or 8000 CPU and if the video card slot could fit the RTX 4060 low profile video card.
Unfortunate there's no choice of CPU vendor. Intel 10nm process with "efficiency cores" is not for me. Otherwise, it's interesting, thanks for the look over.
Would running an eGPU off the PCIE 4.0x4 M.2 slot via an adapter be worthwhile? I need to use my x16 connector for my storage device (I run a Plex server), but I'd like the option to use this thing for some gaming too, so if I can find a way to throw a desktop GPU into this thing, that'd be CLUTCH.
Wait, but is a desktop RX6400 better than a laptop RX6600?
I'm wondering if this is actually better than that other Minisforum miniPC.
I don't know. But the RX 6600m has 8GB of VRAM while the RX 6400 has 4GB. I'm running WinesapOS on a Minisforum HX99G (AMD 6900HX CPU, 32GB RAM, 512GB SSD, RX 6600M 8GB GPU).
@@fernandocasillasjr yeah, I asked because I have that one as well.
Can’t wait to see the a2000z could it do a 4060 lp 👀? Would love to see it
4060LP needs an additional 8-pin as it draws up to 115W.
Im glad this exists but we have to see how it compares to the 8700g because i can already see something even smaller but thicker with just the 8700g some laptop ram obviously the cpu part wont be on par but the gpu could be better
8700G should be 8x Zen4 so the CPU performance should be similar to the R7 7700. 13900H is 6+8 with similar power limits so it may be closer than you think.
This such a great slim PC with GPU slot. Is it possible to convert this into a NAS and Jellyfin since it can transcode videos better?
A machine seemingly trying to be ahead of it's time. Some of the reply comments do seem to potentially poke holes in the review, which should have some clarification, otherwise, I think it may actually stall many a prospective purchase.
But as far as the ahead of time specs are concerned, it does offer a small amount of future proofing, even though the CPU will always be seen as the limiting factor in the future.
But it certainly packs in a whole lot of I/O, even if you can't realistically yet take advantage of it in meaningful ways.
So the final question for me, is one of value. How does this compare, price wise, with a SFF PC with the same CPU but specs and I/O more commonly found amongst the rest of the pack today.
Certainly very intriguing and nice to see a vendor wanting to give new tech to average users, instead of the Corporate Big Tech drip, drip feed that is all too common and detrimental to actual progress, with only corporate profit margins being of benefit.
Although we still see use of U 2.0 ports, I am glad to see that a vendor places them in the most useful place, the front, where they are almost certainly going to be used to plug in keyboards/mice/controllers, where line of sight for 2.4Ghz dongles is always preferable for consistent signal strength.
Hey, did you measure the 21 watts in idle with an installed GPU? I’d love to use this as a home server with Linux but 21 watts in idle is actually quite a lot for me.
I've read in a forum post that vanilla idle (with 2 ram modules and 1 ssd) is 12-14 watts. But I'd be also curious to hear if it's possible to decrease it by bios tweaking, or by disabling the unused devices, for example wifi and 10g ports (if one uses the 2.5 G ethernet).
This thing is insane. I love it
3d print a top cover and try it out should even be good for cooling since the fans will be exposed to fresh air
Can't wait for a successor to the 6400
I don't think there's a rx7400 planned, but with rdna4 supposedly not aiming high, we can hope for an rx8400.
This is awesome. Is it possible to throw in the LP 4060 in there with/out undervolt?
on top of the frame gen driver for 6000 series this thing is a lil beast
ETA This is the direction for mini pcs to be optimal. It’s the gpus that need to catch up in this regard (rtx 6xxx / rx 9xxx L.P) that’s the 1k mini dream. If intel Arc was single slot l.p then (a9xx)it’s golden. I’m waiting for 1080p high settings 60fps. For a tiny workstation it’s nice today just gpus need that next level performance.
Would the Nvidia Tesla p4 LP work here? Great machine, great video!
Hi ! Thanx for the video! Please can you give us a list of compatible gpu cards ? With links for buying ? ❤
That PCIe slot only operates at x8 speeds even though its pcie x16 physical slot
This little think would be perfect for a small HPC cluster.
You should just pull the cooler and shroud off the bigger card and put a custom cooler on it maybe something that just disapates heat into the chasi
*@ETAPRIME* The 1L tiny Lenovo ThinkCentre models m720q, m920q, m90q, p320, p330 & I believe also the m920x each all have an actual PCIe Express Slot (I believe x8). & there's x16 to x8 adapters/ connector cards (90° angle) made for this mod to add a single slot discrete GPU into the original housing. Some people have done it and drilled or cut holes in the top over the CPU & GPU fans for better airflow. Some have even 3D printed a new top cover/ lid for this upgrade. It'd be nice if you could do a video on it showing newer games running on it. I've seen a couple people do it with A2000 single slot mods. & it'd also be cool to see someone do it with a RX 6400 using Chimera OS. Which that I haven't seen yet (you'd be the 1st). A Tiny ThinkCentre with added single slot GPU Could be a budget build alternative to the MS-01.
Also it seems everyone that's done the GPU upgrade on a 1L mini/ tiny are using the i5 8500t variants of those ThinkCentre models mentioned above.
Will the PCIe do 2x8 or 4x4 bifurcation?
Question, I bought the exact same graphics card and when it is in the device, I get no video from a fresh setup. I remove it and I can get video from the onboard HDMI. I've fenagled an HDMI and DisplayPort into the graphics card (the bottom of the ports is almost obscured by he MS-01 rear IO chassis), and tried a USB-C to HDMI, but nothing. How did you manage to get this card to work with this? I bought 3 of these MS-01s and all of them are the same.
What suitable low profile GPU beats a 7840/780M by at least a factor of two?
That's the thing, there's arguably none. Intel too has better iGPUs now too...
Can I ask you if on the BIOS there is option to make power on after AC LOSS? Old Minis PC didn’t have this option. Thanks in advance
Happy new year 😊
how about an rtx 4060 low profile gpu will it work even if it has to be out side case with a pcie extender?
Maybe you could use a larger gpu with a pcie riser
This looks great 🙂
Wouldn't the rtx 4060 low profile fit in if you adjusted the cooler?
I was wondering what brand of memory and M.2 you were using for this unit?
there are single slpt mods out there for the a2000, they will increase temps and noise but will fit nicely in this mini pc
What about a a4000 would that fit
@@Spencerwalker21afaik the a2000 and a4000 have the exact same cooler mounts, so a single slot mod would work
There is a low profile RTX3050 single slot gpu selling in Taobao China. Read some local reviews it's amazing, better than RX6400.... A2000 on the other might need some modding on the heatsink to get it into the chassis unless we'll just leave the case open while gaming.
Awesome video. But I prefer iGPU.
Dammit, I'm really conflicted now for a compact travel photo/video editing rig.
Trying to decide whether to get the AR900i that recently came out for $559 and spend $129 on a 3L case + PSU and have the beefier HX variant of this processor with a single 2.5Gb ethernet port.
Or get this case for $679 that's even MORE compact, with an H-variant CPU, but get some sweet networking ports that help with transferring photo/video and data between multiple NAS drives if need be.
Does the Nvidia Tesla p4 LP (just need vGPU on Proxmox for my CEPH Cluster) fits in the MS-01? Best regards
I'm really interested to know if that works. It would be my go-to choice! Following.
Good external gpu candidate via nvme Oculink or thunderbolt
Happy new year gamers!