yes, none of us, including eddy, thought this would be a roast video from how well it went from the start. i though the title was clickbait, but charlie managed to pull it off. eddy actually defended charlie's perfect pitch the whole time.
It's probably very different when they're shooting it themselves vs when it's for some other channel and they have no idea how it's going to be edited and presented.
What is also interesting to know is that absolute pitch tends to shift as one gets older. Now, Charlie did seem to get the wrong ones slightly sharp each time, so it is very possible that his perfect pitch has already begun drifting sharper and sharper. Adam Neely made a very good (as always) video about this subject
I dont think I have it but i can sing in tune, can sing any scale starting on any random note and keep within any key by instinct but can't tell what the key is or what those notes are to save my life xD what is that called? Like i hear an Eb i can sing the whole scale no problem with no need to think about it but i dont know that's Eb is that just me being dumb (im not a musician i just like music and singing)
Even though Eddy isn’t on the English Wikipedia page for perfect pitch, he still made it to the French page. And they haven’t changed it since June 1st so I guess France appreciates your perfect pitch ☺️
@@deminalla3993 Because it was, as in all the cases before discussed, not referenced to proper reliable sources. It was basically just fan vandalism, the likes that is routinely dealt with on Wikipedia every day.
5:44 what happened was that the producers got it wrong when editing it and somehow what was a boat-horn C# became an Eb. That’s why Charlie is saying it changed pitch because he didn’t get it wrong it’s just what he heard while recording was a different sound to what we heard while watching.
@@sukritipandey9323 Because Eddy has no significant coverage from reliable news sources about his perfect pitch. The only source about it is from an article that's just a list of 30 people.
@@violetta.1996. It's useful to give a couple examples of notable people who have been acknowledged to have perfect pitch, both historically and contemporarily. No one seems to have a problem with including Mozart in the paragraph just above.
7:55 Charlie Puth was listening to the upper pitch. When the glass was hit, multiple notes ringed. The lower note was more obvious, which was the F that Eddy focused on. But I think Charlie was listening to the upper ringing note, which happened to be an F#. That’s why both are correct.
Eddy's resume: • 1/2 of Twosetviolin • Has perfect pitch • became the whole orchestra for Tchaikovsky 2 million subscriber livestream • the soloist for Sibelius 3 million subscriber livestream
Edit a year on since some people are misunderstanding: I'm not denying that some are naturally more perceptive to slight changes in frequencies than others. Just like with any other activity, compatibility with the skill will differ person to person. My point is that perfect pitch is acquired in that no one is just born recognizing what an A is supposed to be. Just like babies pick up whatever sounds are being made by their parents and learn to associate those sounds with meaning (a.k.a. language acquisition), when you are trained in a certain set of scales in music from an early age, you learn to associate certain frequencies with certain notes. And then you get to recognize the notes without any reference, and that is perfect pitch. Original Comment: Perfect pitch is actually acquired. It's like we can recognize sounds that are particular to our native language that people who don't speak it can't. Musicians who are trained from a younger age have it, and if, in that period, your brain associates the names of the notes with different (or nonexistent) notes, it can mess you up for life.
@@destituteanddecadent9106 thats false. Thats relative pitch not perfect pitch. Most musicians i know they started instruments as young kids and they dont have perfect pitch.
@@destituteanddecadent9106 perfect pitch cant be truly learned u can only be born with it. I have it and im a musician. I have a friend who played violin since age 3 who tried learning it but u cant truly learn it. If u try really hard and train u can temporarily remember the notes/pitch but u will forget/lose it. Only 1 in 10,000 people are born with perfect pitch. Trained musicians that started as kids have relative pitch.
@@user-jn9rv6be3x No, you can't be born with perfect pitch because notes are frequencies that we decided to assign meaning to, so by definition you have to learn what frequencies have special meaning. What I mean is, although Western European music defines 440 Hz as an A (or 442), it's not universal and there is no single scale, even within European music. It is all man-made, therefore a newborn cannot relate sound to pitch without learning how we have defined pitch in the first place. And while you may know someone who has failed to acquire perfect pitch despite starting violin at a young age, being an amateur musician and having collaborated with some top musicians, I know plenty of people who have acquired perfect pitch (not relative, they don't have to think or count to recognize it) through training from a young age. It's actually quite normal and common. Not having it is more of an anomaly among players of some instruments.
Love how Brett and Eddy are yelling and laughing at Charlie one second then calmly singing the notes in unison to figure out the pitch the next second. Almost like they're doing an "om" meditation after a stressful event.
LOL, that was exactly my thought but I wasn't gonna say it cause I thought it'd be mean, wikipedia doesn't have a problem with Eddy's perfect pitch, it's the "notably celebrity" part they're disputing.
I "believe" that with some of these sounds, the overtones from different keys clash together and are up for interpretation. It's like that yanni/laurel sound test.
To be fair, he has a valid reason to be salty. He did enough to be "notable case" and be included on that list, but the editors are biased af and keeps refusing The Violin Channel to be a reliable source
To be fair, anyone can edit and publish videos on youtube to make it look like they have perfect pitch. Sources solely from youtube cannot be considered a reliable source. If the goal of Wikipedia is to be more than a fan page, they will not allow it. Although I believe Eddy has perfect pitch.
The C# and Eb note that the guys were confused about, they played a different note in the original recording, but fixed it through post I believe. So Charlie heard a different note than what was played in the video, aka what Eddy heard. (I believe at least. I heard this from Charles Cornell's video).
@@CreepyBio Yeah that's why I said I believe, but not 100% sure. I don't remember how Charles figured it out. I'll have to rewatch the video, but I do remember there being evidence there too. I just don't remember off the bat. You should check out Charles video!
After watching Charles Cornell's video (whenever he released however many ages ago) I was dying to have twoset come across both videos to see how they felt! Haha (so glad the time has come)
Charles Cornell did an amazing job on this video describing absolute pitch, that C#/Eb note was a switch in production. You also have to take into account that Charlie is coming from a production world so his viewpoint is very much in that direction. It is also possible that as this video was edited, some sounds were changed out because they weren’t recorded at the right volume, or they just didn’t like the sound in post. Love your videos guys!
Volume has no effect on pitch or tone. And an editor would never change a note in post intentionally unless they were directed to make Charlie look bad and agreed to be an a-hole for some reason 😅. Speeding up audio will change it’s pitch in editing unless you select to keep it the same (which any professional editor would ensure the settings kept the pitch the same…unless of course they intentionally wanted the sound to change as an effect such as a higher or lower pitched voice or to prevent copyright strikes, etc…) But again, unless someone hated Charlie and wanted him to look bad and sabotage him for some reason, then it wouldn’t have been any type of issue in post. They would have had to intentionally choose to change the settings to create a different pitch than what was played originally, which would be a huge scandal 😅
I think his face is not him trying to be cool showing off his perfect pitch, but just him being tired that no one talks about anything else in interviews with him. Just constantly making him demonstrate and talk about perfect pitch like he's a circus attraction and not an artist.
So you are saying "a circus attraction" is nowhere to be compared with "an artist", which means that a person who is performing tricks in a circus attraction is not an artist but just some low-class entity in this world. Talking bad about other jobs doesn't make your job any glorious.
Well, not everybody thinks him an artist. Notice how these typical pop type singers always get bad questions because nobody cares what they think, and their followers don't want great answers to great questions. Just shallow clickbait for the world we live in.
@@watarusato06 I'm talking about the exploitative "freak shows" from days past where they would beat animals or take advantage of the differently abled, not the incredible athletes and performers that make up a truly good circus act.
I hate the "god's talent" thing. People often say that about my drawings. Like bruh I work hard for my stuff lol Or at least I used to work before my motivation was crushed.
I know I'm a year late, but there actually is a way to train yourself to have perfect pitch! A friend of mine used to have an A tuner, and he would listen to it every night before bed, and when he woke up he would try to sing that pitch. He repeated that until he had the A down, then moved onto other notes (CGDE) and now he has perfect pitch.
@@ShootingStarStudio Absolute pitch and perfect pitch are two terms used to describe the same thing: automatic, pretty much mistake free pitch recognition, where each pitch has its own very different characteristics (like we see colors differently). Relative pitch is being able to work out intervals in your head and, if given an A, being able to hear all the other notes (but you need the reference). True pitch is a not very common term, but it’s the only one I know to describe what is being said in the comment (being able to recognize pitches without reference, but not as automatically and full proof as perfect/absolute pitch.
@@tonicogsf It's probably more in line with a musician being able to recognize the pitch of a note on their instrument based on being intimately familiar with its timbre. It's not perfect pitch, but it's also not relative pitch because it can be done without a reference pitch. I'm wondering if the person in OP specifically can recognize the pitches of tuning forks without a reference, but not other sounds (like people with perfect pitch can do).
Not sure we had individual yearbook quotes in Australia. My school didn't. Just listed our names. But maybe these chaps went to a fancy private school in Sydney.
@@MissTwoSetEncyclopedia did they have yearbooks with quotes from each year 12 student? If so, that's more fancy schmancy than most Aussie highschools.
@@hazuki689 I just don't think he enjoys interviews in general. He has talked about dealing with nerves and social anxiety, and he seems to only get engaged in interviews when he's comfortable with a person.
@@char388 true. But I noticed in his other interviews, when he was asked about his music and how he composed them he was very passionate to answer and explain.
He was up there thinking "Man, this should be Eddy doing this. Why can't Wikipedia understand? Oh, no I was busy wallowing in sadness and forgot to listen! Um... C sharp?"
Agree. I have tested and I do have perfect pitch. He got most of them wrong but was pretty close. I'm getting the same notes as eddy lmao. But I understand that slipping under pressure. It's one of those things where you know what it is until someone asks you.
they actually said later that they had dubbed some of the sounds bc they hadn’t gotten picked up correctly on the mic, so maybe some of them had been dubbed wrong
I want to see them react to Jacob Collier's hearing. The man has arguably the best musical hearing in the world, he can hear microtones even. He can tell how many cents two frequencies are apart. He's inhuman.
There's an online hearing test you can take that tests your ability to hear tiny changes in frequency. I really want to get some proper musical training because I was 99.8% accurate. Have look for it. I tried it last year.
JC is incredibly skilled and has very accurate perfect pitch but he can't hear exactly how many cents an interval is. He's just good at estimating how sharp or flat a pitch is and getting pretty close. If he guessed 2 or 3 cents out you wouldn't be able to tell
I think I remember the editors saying they changed out the boat horn in production, which answers why he's saying C-C# but the post production sound is Eb
I'm pretty sure a different music Channel stated that the boat sound was edited in so that's why Charlie got it wrong, they played a different sound in studio
I don't know anything about video editing, but that seems like a really unnecessary thing to do. Downright stupid if the whole point of the video is to prove someone has perfect pitch... Like, why?
@@BadGirlFan Maybe the people who edited the video were as clueless about this stuff as the interviewer? I honestly don't think it's that unlikely. Maybe something just went wrong in the editing process? As you may hear, the note that Charlie sings is way different from this "horn sound". And the sound we heard doesn't really even sound like a horn, whereas they described it as the sound of some kind of a foghorn. Also, the way Charlie described it as starting from a lower pitch and then going up just doesn't match what we are hearing. And you don't need perfect pitch to be able to hear that. So, I honestly doubt that he wouldn't be able to hear it, when all of his other answers were correct, aside from a couple of slight inaccuracies (describing a B as a "slightly flat C", or saying that the note is closer to F# when it was closer to F natural). Charles Cornell made a video about it, and it explains it pretty well (and also why the whole video was pretty stupid and had kind of a flawed premise - and if you understand the flaw with the premise of the video, I don't think it would be that difficult to believe that they might also make a mistake in the editing process of the video).
@@twinklystarzz some wiki editors keep removing his name because there's no "reliable source" that talks about his perfect pitch. apparently articles by the violin channel is not a reliable source to them 💀
The "they're also on camera" joke is funny and I thought of making it myself, and it's a valid argument that they can take as many takes as they want but I think the main thing there is they're filming for us, a relatively small fanbase who accepts mistakes, while Charlie Puth is a celebrity
Hi pitches, Me as a pianist with perfect pitch, That C# - Eb thing is a distorted sound, a noise, it could creat an audional illusion for us and for Charlie. We hear distorted sound in different ways in different enviroment. It is possible that he actually heard a C#. The F - F# problem: you can hear a high (low pitched) F# too maybe he heard that stronger in the studio. Glasses make irregular "overtones". It depends which one of them your brain listens to. He cannot recognize accurately notes so fast at the beginning then screw up these easy tests later. Calculate please with the fact that he heard the notes differently in the studio. The only thing I do not understand is that why do people thing that perfect pitch is such a great thing. It is literally just knowing the names of the pitches, as you know the letters or colors. But knowing and recognizing the letter and colors doesn't necessary make you aa great poet or painter... Relative pitch is more valuable because you need to understand the relations between the notes, the scale-degrees, harmonies etc. That's really something. Anyway what Brett sang at the end was a high G# Kind regards, Check Saxologic's video abbout perfect pitch vs true pitch
to explain the physics behind the 7:28 gaffe: imagine any string on any stringed instrument, as you make it shorter by pressing your finger on it, it resonates at a higher frequency; frequency is the number of waves at a given point in one unit of time. since waves travel less distance with a shorter string, their frequency becomes higher. (and vice versa) now replace the string with a glass; as you pour the liquid out of the glass, you're increasing the portion of the glass that will resonate (akin to increasing a string's length), therefore, the sound will be at a lower frequency.
4:19 either the editors added a different sound than what they actually played to Charlie in the moment, or the speakers/whatever audio device he was hearing this on altered the pitch in some way. There's no way that he listened to the same thing as us and heard a C#, especially considering that he nailed every single other pitch that they played for him
I think this guy has relative pitch but from someone who has perfect pitch, these sounds aren’t really that hard to hear so idk if I would say if he has perfect pitch 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Eddie definitely deserves to be on the wiki, but I understand they are probably only limiting the list to some of the most documented and famous cases. Thats the only reason I can imagine the list only being a dozen. Absolute pitch is rare but not that rare. 😂
I used to think I was special for having perfect pitch, then I went to music uni and every second person and their dog has perfect pitch. In every new chamber rehearsal someone would ask 'okay who's got perfect pitch?' to tune to, always expecting at least one person to have it even within a quartet. One of the conducting students asked their chamber choir for a perfect pitch starting note, and the professor quickly said "no one answer!" fully expecting people would have it.
Actually, you are special if you indeed have perfect pitch. It is a gift and not every musician has it. Many more musicians have relative pitch than perfect pitch statistically.
@@whatevergoesforme5129 disagree, nobody comes out of the womb knowing the 440hz is an A, perfect pitch is a learned skill just like everything else in music and life.
@BestRolf yes you definitely can i guarantee if you sit at a piano every day and practice guessing pitches eventually you will be able to get them all the time. but my real pet peeve is all the conceited dipshits who pretend that they are just inherently superior to others because they were lucky enough to receive musical training at a young age.
You can get perfect pitch if you get training for it at a young age After a certain age (not sure if it's 5+ or something), the window closes and you cant get it anymore.
@@purplism4857 Perfect pitch is something that literally cannot be learned past like the age of 5 or around there. And even then there are people that are born able to learn it and some people its just impossible to learn
I always have difficulty with the term "perfect pitch" and especially, "god given ability". The ability is to recognize notes in equal temperament. Which must be a learned skill, because there is nothing innate about equal temperament.
Perfect pitch is actually a learned skill that has a sensitive period -6 years old after which you can’t learn it But with appropriate knowledge and learning before being 6 anyone could get perfect pitch There is a little debate about wether there is small to do with genes and heritability But it’s an agreement that most of it at least is learned Perfect pitch refers to directly associate any sound to a music note and then from that people with it could right away know which note is playing and if it the the wrong note played etc, it’s not about an ability to sing for example (sometimes it can make singing( associating another word to a note), harder, and some more dissonant style of music more tricky to put up with for people with perfect pitch) It differs from « relative pitch » where a musician knows a lot and how to differs between 2 notes but not to the point that without having any comparison the brain does it directly I wrote a paper on that last year in a Neurocognition of music course and it was really interesting I learned a lot so if you are interested I recommend checking the studies !
@@anaispoinsnt8631 thank you so much for your very thoughtful reply. I will definitely check out the field of neurocognition in music. One thing your comments don't address though, is the "relativity" of perfect pitch (I am not referring to relative pitch here). When you say someone with perfect pitch can associate any sound to a music note. The note they are assigning it too is a note defined by equal temperament. If they were listening to music in a different temperament they wouldn't be able to correctly identify all of the notes. Because some of the intervals will be a different size, some of the note names will be a different frequency than in equal temperament. Truly "perfect pitch" would be the ability to hear a sound and identify its frequency (hz).
"The ability is to recognize notes in equal temperament. Which must be a learned skill" no, saying learning perfect pitch is like saying learning to see colors. You can't, you're born with it. You just learned to name some of them in a specific language. But you never need a name to recognize a color. We all played as kids with color puzzles without knowing how they were named. The debate is on that "sensitive period". No one can argue with a solid logic and facts "I could have had perfect pitch if I praticed at 12", because you can't prove it. you can't reinvent your past, It is only assumption. If perfect pitch was a learned skill, you could still train it and avoid to lose it. Where in fact, everybody knows now you'll lose it at greater age and you can't avoid it. Like if you go blind one day, it wouldn't be your fault not praticing seeing skill, you'd have lost a natural ability. That's why relative pitch and using memory is more reliable over time. You have to pratice it and can practice it all your life.
Charlie, meanwhile, has multiple news articles directly discussing his perfect pitch. Eddy has nothing other than being in a list of 30 names. There's the difference.
Meh to be honest, identifying the pitch of a rubber duck is for entertainment, identifying the pitch for instruments is more practical. But then i bang walls in my house to find the pitch
Whether he made a mistake or it was the production team in post, I think this video was just fun and not to hate on Charlie Puth! I think he’s a phenomenal musician either way and there’s no disputing that he has perfect pitch lol
So true and very easy to forget with the two set community. I guess this video exists though out of the wikis decision to remove eddy, and in that way this video is just fun too😅
Also Charlie seems to be a little over having to do his little party trick all the time on camera I think even once he said it was someone as you to read a letter when you know how to read it’s kind of just repetitive and doesn’t feel that special.
I don't know if this matters but I have never heard of Charlie until today, definitely not defending him based on fandom. (lul) And I don't think you can really "make mistake" with perfect pitch. On the flip side, if you ask Charlie (or anyone with perfect pitch) to sing a note, I am pretty sure he will get it 100% of a time. Identifying a sound (and to some degree, outright noise, e.g. the titanic sinking) is a whole different story. David Bruce (here: ruclips.net/video/Xd54l8gfi7M/видео.html) taught me that instrument sound have a dominant frequency but also a whole slew of other frequencies that are all stacked on top. My guess is that Charlie's ear is just more drawn to a secondary frequency over the "fundamental" in a few cases. There can also be recording issues (mic not picking up the multiple frequencies as equally as what Charlie is hearing) or playback issue (audio encoding dropped some frequencies?). And I am not even a sound engineer. Pretty sure a professional can explain it thousand times better.
@@theatog I’m pretty sure you can still absolutely make mistakes with perfect pitch, Eddy himself has described it happening to him specifically when he’s just woken up. (which makes sense to me, it’s sort of like if you wake up and your eyes are a bit fuzzy) But yeah, from Charles Cornell’s video I remember there was a theory that something waffley is happening with that “boat horn.” That would be pretty likely to be a combination tone and probably one of them didn’t make it through production quite intact.
Tbh, on Charlie's defense, it's really hard to keep calm cuz everyone asks him about his perfect pitch and everyone wants to test it. He's under a lot of pressure and I won't blame him for messing up. No one is perfect anyway.
I mean you can't really mess up -- it's like naming colours, kind of. You might hesitate or accidentally say the wrong thing but you know what the colour is, so you'd probably instantly correct yourself. It's kind of hard to explain -- like sometimes there's a disconnect between verbalising what the note/chord is but you know what it is. Unless there are, like, 12 different notes playing at the same time -- then it just sounds muddy and like too many different colours are being mixed together. Unless he didn't correct himself which would be weird... maybe he was annoyed at the interviewers
@@brxzbze also I’m pretty sure the deeper sound on the boat horn is actually a production mistake that led to distorted audio. It’s hard to tell but I can definitely see that possibility
Another thing that I'm seeing is how heavily the term "perfect pitch" has been milked. Everyone fanboys/fangirls over people who have it because they think it's some silver bullet that magically makes them infinitely more talented than people who don't. However, it's not all it's cracked up to be. Sometimes, I think something sounds flat when it's actually in tune, for example. Or when someone's singing is noticeably out of tune and I sound like I'm being "too harsh". Or when people fail to realise that most people with perfect pitch are trained to 12-tone equal temperament and A = 440 Hz but we can get away with it in contemporary music since the vast majority of it is in 12-tone equal temperament with A = 440 Hz. And they end up going for a wild ride once they get into the world of classical music and start learning about historical pitch and historical temperaments, many of which were unequal.
Edit: Thanks to everyone for pointing this out, but my explanation holds true when blowing air into the filled glasses. That is indeed when the length of the air column matters. However, that is not the case when tapping the glasses. Original comment: Around the 8-minute mark, when he pours the blue liquid out of the glass, the note must go lower (as was so perfectly identified by Eddy). The physics is simple. The wavelength of the fundamental mode is equal to the length of the air column in the glass. So, when you pour the liquid out, the height of the air column increases, which means that wavelength increases, which means frequency decreases.
But wasn't he "tapping" it, making the glass and liquid as a whole the vibrating body, as opposed to "blowing" into the glass? So theoretically the pitch will go higher after pouring out some liquid? (Correct me if I'm wrong >
@@tusitaida3330 I thought it'd be practical to provide timestamps to directly compare: 7:10 vs 7:41 now u can listen to which sounds higher. i wonder if the shape of the glass affects it, cause more water should produce lower pitch if tapping the glass. but if it's blowing, then more water should produce higher pitch.
@@tusitaida3330 good point. However, my understanding is that the liquid acts as a dampening agent. When you hit the glass, the part of its body that is free (same length as the air column) will vibrate. Edit: in fact, when you try to make sound, you generally hit the glass near where it’s empty.
You don't need perfect pitch to transpose on the spot, but if you know what keys are good for an artist (ie you know their range) then you have an aid in transposing. Makes you a hair quicker at finding notes outside of range in a transposed key to know if a given key will work
tbh? I think they played the wrong sound afterwards(in post production), because getting a note wrong once is one thing. But, someone with perfect pitch who gets the wrong note twice and doesnt notice seems pretty weird to me
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It's pretty undisputable that Eddy has perfect pitch. Unfortunately, the Wikipedia battle was over whether or not Eddy counted as "notable" in the eyes of Wikipedia editors 🥲 *We* all think you're notable, Eddy 💕
Eddy just highkey lowkey salty that a pop musician got recognised over him for perfect pitch smh 😂 and Brett’s just being the supportive bestie going along with his schemes hahaha
I heard somewhere that since the boat sound is so weird, it was distorted. So the sound we hear in the video is distorted from what was actually played in the studio for Charlie to hear. I think Charles Cornell did a video on it.
the reason it seems like his not right alot of times is because of post production issus and the audio got slightly messed up but he was always correct
For the boat horn yeah but he really did mess up on the glass cuz removing the water always makes it go down so the note should have really been from in between an f# and an f to closer to an f instead of going higher to an f#
Except for when he poured water out of the glass. That one he provably got wrong. You pour water out of the glass, the pitch goes down. It's just physics. You could have lost your hearing and still called it out based on him saying the pitch went up.
@@VrIgHtEr yeah but that is acceptable that he messed up, because the tension and it is not exactly so clear note like the boat. But that boat has to be mistake of production...
@@lenochod6 Agreed. I don't have perfect pitch and I still recognized that as a B (first note of a piece I've played recently). He definitely wouldn't have gotten that one wrong.
Perfect pitch plus perfect relative pitch allows you to transpose in your head very easily. I think that might be what Charlie was talking about when he meant “analysis.” I had to do this when I sang in acapella choir as they would start to lose pitch and slide down the scale. As I sang a harmony part, I either had to learn the song in several chromatically descending keys, or transpose in my head as we were singing it.
He has great note recognition, he has trouble with high initial notes (note heard upon contact between spoon and glass) that overlap into a gradual quick decline that then straighten out into a harmonic. Also the slight vibration felt coming from the spoon held in his hand being of a different material might have thrown his judgment a bit. then the sound of the two materials coming in contact might have thrown his brain off by a bit -assuming he has such a sensitivity to resonance. Basically he hears *tink* (of contact between glass and metal) Then *harmonic traveling from initial contact area of glass then reverbing around rim to meet dying harmonic pitch* How he heard a higher pitch from the fog horn could be explained by him hearing the initial split second sound of the horn before the vibrational device within the horn that causes the lower distorted pitch kicked in and quickly tick between two different pitches one high and one low pitch. The rubber duck is expessially difficult to explain as its a high initial sound that dies at a constant due to the material contracting where the air escapes,so an extremely smooth decline transition between notes sharp,regular and flat resulting in a overlapping combo of the three pitches while transitioning into the next octave then the inhalation starts with flat then normal then sharp so its essentially reversed. Monkey is just duel notes that transition quickly from eachother then jump to another slightly different pair then a very different duo.Its mostly just alot to reconise all at once in a short amount of time.
About the ship horn thing, it might have been an editing mistake where the actual sound played was C# (and Charlie was correct) but the editors used the wrong E flat sound when editing. Another youtuber, Charles Cornell, talked about it
So rather than just play the native audio that captured the entire conversation, the editing team created a new note, different from the original note, in a video that's testing a precise ability to distinguish musical notes? Sure.. that's plausible. I love how people fabricate nonsensical excuses rather than coming to the easy and obvious opinion that this guys a self conceited twat that lies about having perfect pitch to get attention from little kids who think that's special.
@@xXxXcrosbykidXxXx wow, that is an incredibly harsh judgement on puth considering this is just a fun video on pitch. Its also rude to say op is fabricating info when they're just restating information from Charles' video and sharing an opinion on something not even that serious.
@@mildly_edgy4210 bring your hurt feelings elsewhere. I don't care if it's "rude", I'm trying to be factual, not polite. If you disagree with my take on the situation, feel free to present a logical rebuttal that reasonably explains the shortcomings of the original bullshit "explanation". Are you familiar with the idea of Occam's razor?
@@xXxXcrosbykidXxXx "when you dont have any talent just call anyones talent is fake." I can see you say that to your sons/daughters in the future... what a joke
@@xXxXcrosbykidXxXx But you're not being factual. You're presenting an opinion and fluffing it up with theoretical "bullshit" to stroke your own ego. This is RUclips, not Philosophy-101, and Puth has repeated demonstrated his prowess in recognizing notes. Why the hell would anyone need to consider Occam's razor? You're an actual 🤡 Unless you have physical evidence that Puth, not the editing team, made a mistake (subsequently turning your opinion into a fact), Cornell's excuse is entirely plausible. Although it's more complex, it is definitely more logical than Puth lying about having perfect pitch, as actual musicians would have called him out.
When Charlie Puth 'slipped up', I don't think he actually did, the sound in the studio and the post production sound where 2 different notes, must've been
@@PJBoyYT yep, it's clearly stated here that Charlie did in fact match the pitch of the horn, then changed it to C#. Charlie continued to change and lose his pitches later on as well. Charles Cornell didn't notice these things at all and he was just assuming, but twoset here pointed out all of Charlie's mistakes, so if we had to make an educated guess, there is actually nothing pointing at the production crew. Even Charles did not even have the slightest hint to blame the production crew, he just blamed them cause he assumed Charlie can't make mistakes. But in this video, we know for a fact charlie continued to make mistakes. So it was a miss by Charles.
Don’t worry Eddy, Wikipedia was never really a credible platform of information. So, the absolute pitch that you’ve long had and practiced isn’t really discredited.
I think he was most likely taken off the list not because they don’t believe that he has perfect pitch, but instead because they don’t think he belongs on the list of “notable musicians.”
@@stephendonovan9084 It was the contrary actually, or so they claim. They kept pushing that Eddy wasn't particularly notable, even giving an example of why some kid with perfect pitch wasn't let in despite having articles written about him because he wasn't a notable example, but when someone mentioned how twoset is a massive influence in the Classical world, they have sellout concerts everywhere and even featured in the front page of strad, the editors switched their tune and started saying that all the sources weren't credible or were self-claimed.
@Kanpindon another proof of how wikipedia editors are just bunch of people with too much free time and have nothing better to do. Yes I’m talking to you too, a member of wikipedia cult
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The whole video: Eddy appreciates Charlie’s pitch, then roasts him, and appreciates him again, and roasts him again
lol
yes, none of us, including eddy, thought this would be a roast video from how well it went from the start. i though the title was clickbait, but charlie managed to pull it off. eddy actually defended charlie's perfect pitch the whole time.
@@Viewer13128 speechless with Eddy 😂
Just another lingling workout for Eddy
it's because he's impressed by charlie but is salty at wikipedia
"I would hate to do that on camera!" - Said Eddy while doing that on camera.
It's probably very different when they're shooting it themselves vs when it's for some other channel and they have no idea how it's going to be edited and presented.
@@destituteanddecadent9106 no doubt about it! I just thought it was funny the way he said it 😅😂
Not really. He was free to take as many takes as he wanted. The other guy was basically live on tape.
Ahahaha
People need to Take a joke
What is also interesting to know is that absolute pitch tends to shift as one gets older. Now, Charlie did seem to get the wrong ones slightly sharp each time, so it is very possible that his perfect pitch has already begun drifting sharper and sharper. Adam Neely made a very good (as always) video about this subject
Also, there exists medication that shifts it
global warming of pitches
Interesting
Eddy finding every excuse to let the world know that he has perfect pitch
JAJSJAJJA YES
wait eddy has perfect pitch I had no clue wow why doesn’t he tell people 🤣
@@shippou21 my bad; I was being sarcastic 😅
I dont think I have it but i can sing in tune, can sing any scale starting on any random note and keep within any key by instinct but can't tell what the key is or what those notes are to save my life xD what is that called? Like i hear an Eb i can sing the whole scale no problem with no need to think about it but i dont know that's Eb is that just me being dumb (im not a musician i just like music and singing)
@@HyTricksyy so, you just miss the names
Twoset in 2020: instrument wars
Twoset in 2021: WIKIPEDIA WARS
And i'm here for it hahah
I didnt find it in wikipedia :(
SAVE VIOLIN CHAN
@@afinawulandari3990 french page he is. France loves Eddy's french
Twoset in 2022: Kpop wars
i like how brett sings all the note perfectly and eddy gets the note perfectly!!
Even though Eddy isn’t on the English Wikipedia page for perfect pitch, he still made it to the French page. And they haven’t changed it since June 1st so I guess France appreciates your perfect pitch ☺️
This needs more likes
now that wikipedia entry can be source for the english one.
Thanks for the information, I went ahead and removed it.
@@Silverizael why would you do that
@@deminalla3993 Because it was, as in all the cases before discussed, not referenced to proper reliable sources. It was basically just fan vandalism, the likes that is routinely dealt with on Wikipedia every day.
Brett is like your supportive friend who has your back like “I'm here for you bruh!”
“From right here”
@@peachsailors Omigod, that's good! Lmao!
@Hamza Boughaleb Dear Hamza, if you are employing a bot to do this, please know that it is very annoying.
"Although I get nothing"
"I'm just here to support pitches"
5:44 what happened was that the producers got it wrong when editing it and somehow what was a boat-horn C# became an Eb. That’s why Charlie is saying it changed pitch because he didn’t get it wrong it’s just what he heard while recording was a different sound to what we heard while watching.
How can u tell that?
Change in timbre and frequency over the interview video
And the battle over Eddy's perfect pitch continues...
Wikiwar 2.0
And you all will get your IP addresses banned over and over for vandalizing Wikipedia.
@@Silverizael that happened yes. Why does Wikipedia hate us. They took his name down freaking again.
@@sukritipandey9323 Because Eddy has no significant coverage from reliable news sources about his perfect pitch. The only source about it is from an article that's just a list of 30 people.
@@violetta.1996. It's useful to give a couple examples of notable people who have been acknowledged to have perfect pitch, both historically and contemporarily. No one seems to have a problem with including Mozart in the paragraph just above.
Twoset really going for everyone this year
roasting all the way from January to december
And I love it
I'm with it.
Really funny 🤯
Taking no hostages
7:55 Charlie Puth was listening to the upper pitch. When the glass was hit, multiple notes ringed. The lower note was more obvious, which was the F that Eddy focused on. But I think Charlie was listening to the upper ringing note, which happened to be an F#. That’s why both are correct.
Eddy's resume:
• 1/2 of Twosetviolin
• Has perfect pitch
• became the whole orchestra for Tchaikovsky 2 million subscriber livestream
• the soloist for Sibelius 3 million subscriber livestream
Don’t forget being a whole orchestra lol
Onesetviolin has perfect pitch
@@yourlocalmculover6664 gotcha! edited it like it should be unlike someone from wikipedia ... 👀
He became the soloist for Sibelius too.
SIBELUIS DROP!!!!
"god-given talent, a gift"
Brett: "DAMN IT, WHERE'S MY TALENT?????"
Perfect pizz
Edit a year on since some people are misunderstanding:
I'm not denying that some are naturally more perceptive to slight changes in frequencies than others. Just like with any other activity, compatibility with the skill will differ person to person. My point is that perfect pitch is acquired in that no one is just born recognizing what an A is supposed to be. Just like babies pick up whatever sounds are being made by their parents and learn to associate those sounds with meaning (a.k.a. language acquisition), when you are trained in a certain set of scales in music from an early age, you learn to associate certain frequencies with certain notes. And then you get to recognize the notes without any reference, and that is perfect pitch.
Original Comment:
Perfect pitch is actually acquired. It's like we can recognize sounds that are particular to our native language that people who don't speak it can't. Musicians who are trained from a younger age have it, and if, in that period, your brain associates the names of the notes with different (or nonexistent) notes, it can mess you up for life.
@@destituteanddecadent9106 thats false. Thats relative pitch not perfect pitch. Most musicians i know they started instruments as young kids and they dont have perfect pitch.
@@destituteanddecadent9106 perfect pitch cant be truly learned u can only be born with it. I have it and im a musician. I have a friend who played violin since age 3 who tried learning it but u cant truly learn it. If u try really hard and train u can temporarily remember the notes/pitch but u will forget/lose it. Only 1 in 10,000 people are born with perfect pitch. Trained musicians that started as kids have relative pitch.
@@user-jn9rv6be3x No, you can't be born with perfect pitch because notes are frequencies that we decided to assign meaning to, so by definition you have to learn what frequencies have special meaning. What I mean is, although Western European music defines 440 Hz as an A (or 442), it's not universal and there is no single scale, even within European music. It is all man-made, therefore a newborn cannot relate sound to pitch without learning how we have defined pitch in the first place.
And while you may know someone who has failed to acquire perfect pitch despite starting violin at a young age, being an amateur musician and having collaborated with some top musicians, I know plenty of people who have acquired perfect pitch (not relative, they don't have to think or count to recognize it) through training from a young age. It's actually quite normal and common. Not having it is more of an anomaly among players of some instruments.
Love how Brett and Eddy are yelling and laughing at Charlie one second then calmly singing the notes in unison to figure out the pitch the next second. Almost like they're doing an "om" meditation after a stressful event.
Eddy Only Did This Because He Was Taken Off Wikipedia For Not Being A Celebrety
we need to send this to wikipedia's dude!!
LOL, that was exactly my thought but I wasn't gonna say it cause I thought it'd be mean, wikipedia doesn't have a problem with Eddy's perfect pitch, it's the "notably celebrity" part they're disputing.
@@davidloyd7279 thing is, "notable celebrities" is subjective af. Never heard of Charlie Puth before. Wikipedia, do your thing, lol.
Get eddy back on wiki (1)
so trueee!
Eddy: I'm not sure if I have perfect pitch.
Also Eddy: *flexes his perfect pitch every time he has a chance*
Him flexing is never ending
🕴😎
@@rolandea6459 Literally-
Eddy does have it tho.
Us perfect pitch people tend to doubt ourselves a lot
I "believe" that with some of these sounds, the overtones from different keys clash together and are up for interpretation. It's like that yanni/laurel sound test.
Now THIS is an interesting theory! I’d love for someone to test this…🙏🏼
Conclusion: it doesn’t matter, but Eddy’s just salty he isn’t on the Wikipedia page anymore.
To be fair, he has a valid reason to be salty. He did enough to be "notable case" and be included on that list, but the editors are biased af and keeps refusing The Violin Channel to be a reliable source
@@lady_raineidv9297 it’s a joke chill 😂 I know he does
TRUE
To be fair, anyone can edit and publish videos on youtube to make it look like they have perfect pitch. Sources solely from youtube cannot be considered a reliable source. If the goal of Wikipedia is to be more than a fan page, they will not allow it.
Although I believe Eddy has perfect pitch.
@@wada-wada true ig, but good to hear you believe anyway
The C# and Eb note that the guys were confused about, they played a different note in the original recording, but fixed it through post I believe. So Charlie heard a different note than what was played in the video, aka what Eddy heard. (I believe at least. I heard this from Charles Cornell's video).
yes! I was looking for this comment XD
yes, exactly
Is there proof for this? Sounded like he knew he missed the note when he tried to sing it.
@@CreepyBio Yeah that's why I said I believe, but not 100% sure. I don't remember how Charles figured it out. I'll have to rewatch the video, but I do remember there being evidence there too. I just don't remember off the bat. You should check out Charles video!
After watching Charles Cornell's video (whenever he released however many ages ago) I was dying to have twoset come across both videos to see how they felt! Haha (so glad the time has come)
Charles Cornell did an amazing job on this video describing absolute pitch, that C#/Eb note was a switch in production. You also have to take into account that Charlie is coming from a production world so his viewpoint is very much in that direction.
It is also possible that as this video was edited, some sounds were changed out because they weren’t recorded at the right volume, or they just didn’t like the sound in post.
Love your videos guys!
He literally sings the note. This was not editing's fault.
Volume has no effect on pitch or tone. And an editor would never change a note in post intentionally unless they were directed to make Charlie look bad and agreed to be an a-hole for some reason 😅. Speeding up audio will change it’s pitch in editing unless you select to keep it the same (which any professional editor would ensure the settings kept the pitch the same…unless of course they intentionally wanted the sound to change as an effect such as a higher or lower pitched voice or to prevent copyright strikes, etc…) But again, unless someone hated Charlie and wanted him to look bad and sabotage him for some reason, then it wouldn’t have been any type of issue in post. They would have had to intentionally choose to change the settings to create a different pitch than what was played originally, which would be a huge scandal 😅
Charlie still matches the Eb note and then goes down to the C# tho (5:00), I don't think it was just a switch in production
@@supechube_kthe people of the video apparently reviled they changed the end due to copyright issues
I think his face is not him trying to be cool showing off his perfect pitch, but just him being tired that no one talks about anything else in interviews with him. Just constantly making him demonstrate and talk about perfect pitch like he's a circus attraction and not an artist.
yess
Have you met anyone with perfect pitch?
He loves it lol.
So you are saying "a circus attraction" is nowhere to be compared with "an artist", which means that a person who is performing tricks in a circus attraction is not an artist but just some low-class entity in this world. Talking bad about other jobs doesn't make your job any glorious.
Well, not everybody thinks him an artist. Notice how these typical pop type singers always get bad questions because nobody cares what they think, and their followers don't want great answers to great questions. Just shallow clickbait for the world we live in.
@@watarusato06 I'm talking about the exploitative "freak shows" from days past where they would beat animals or take advantage of the differently abled, not the incredible athletes and performers that make up a truly good circus act.
"Damn it. WHERE'S MY TALENT?? Please, sprinkle some more talent on me" Same Brett.. same 😂
I agree too but i need a little extra more like a shower.
I hate the "god's talent" thing. People often say that about my drawings.
Like bruh I work hard for my stuff lol
Or at least I used to work before my motivation was crushed.
@@netanyasullivan1889 me too 😢
Talents are a blessing and a curse. Be careful what you wish for.
Where’s that part?
them: do you hear aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh or aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh
me: i hear aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh
TwoSet: "He's on camera; There's pressure"
Also Twoset: Is on camera
they arent directly tested
@@lo0f3r its a joke
but it's recorded and they can edit it
@@PianoMysteries get the joke = )))))
Yeah but they are comfortable, Charlie put is with other people.
"Does Charlie Puth REALLY Have Perfect Pitch??"
Nope, Eddy is the one with perfect pitch
Hi 👋
lmao why do i see you everywhere? XD
boi u are eVERYWHERE
I think I saw the Charlie Puth clip a while back and someone mentioned that it was an editing error with the e flat debacle.
@@ilike2365 it’s a bunch of different accounts with the same name and pfp that’s why the subs are hidden
I know I'm a year late, but there actually is a way to train yourself to have perfect pitch! A friend of mine used to have an A tuner, and he would listen to it every night before bed, and when he woke up he would try to sing that pitch. He repeated that until he had the A down, then moved onto other notes (CGDE) and now he has perfect pitch.
Perfect pitch is genetic-it’s estimated that 1 in 10,000 people have it. When you train your ears like that, it’s called absolute or relative pitch.
@@ShootingStarStudio Ah, thanks! I didn't know that.
@@ShootingStarStudio Absolute pitch and perfect pitch are two terms used to describe the same thing: automatic, pretty much mistake free pitch recognition, where each pitch has its own very different characteristics (like we see colors differently). Relative pitch is being able to work out intervals in your head and, if given an A, being able to hear all the other notes (but you need the reference). True pitch is a not very common term, but it’s the only one I know to describe what is being said in the comment (being able to recognize pitches without reference, but not as automatically and full proof as perfect/absolute pitch.
That's not how it works, at all.
@@tonicogsf It's probably more in line with a musician being able to recognize the pitch of a note on their instrument based on being intimately familiar with its timbre. It's not perfect pitch, but it's also not relative pitch because it can be done without a reference pitch. I'm wondering if the person in OP specifically can recognize the pitches of tuning forks without a reference, but not other sounds (like people with perfect pitch can do).
I swear to god Eddy's high school yearbook quote was 'I have perfect pitch'
I need TwoSet to confirm this.
Up 🤣🤣🤣
Up
Up
Not sure we had individual yearbook quotes in Australia. My school didn't. Just listed our names.
But maybe these chaps went to a fancy private school in Sydney.
@@MissTwoSetEncyclopedia did they have yearbooks with quotes from each year 12 student?
If so, that's more fancy schmancy than most Aussie highschools.
Charlie looks not enjoying this interview that's probably why...
i feel like he looks like this most of the time
i don't blame him, his perfect pitch is the only thing anyone ever asks him about
@@hazuki689 I just don't think he enjoys interviews in general. He has talked about dealing with nerves and social anxiety, and he seems to only get engaged in interviews when he's comfortable with a person.
@@char388 true. But I noticed in his other interviews, when he was asked about his music and how he composed them he was very passionate to answer and explain.
He was up there thinking "Man, this should be Eddy doing this. Why can't Wikipedia understand? Oh, no I was busy wallowing in sadness and forgot to listen! Um... C sharp?"
CHARLIE LITERALLY LOOKING AT HIS INTERVIEWERS CARD WITH ALL THE ANSWERS ON IT WHILE HE'S BEING TESTED
What Charlie puth doesn’t have is perfect pizz
Definitely
Agree. I have tested and I do have perfect pitch. He got most of them wrong but was pretty close. I'm getting the same notes as eddy lmao. But I understand that slipping under pressure. It's one of those things where you know what it is until someone asks you.
@@strawberriesandsalamanders2033 were talking about brett’s talent. Perfect pizz
Brett power
they actually said later that they had dubbed some of the sounds bc they hadn’t gotten picked up correctly on the mic, so maybe some of them had been dubbed wrong
Things that never gonna end:
1. My loneliness
2. Videos about perfect pitch
😂😂hope u don't stay lonely anymore
@@usha112 hardly think so :'((
Well, at least we have videos about perfect pitch to watch.
Lmaooo😂😂
Relatable 😔
Yes for no. 2 but let’s tackle no. 1. LET’S BE FRIENDS BESTIE 😾😼👫👭
5:50 If you can read Charlie's Lips he says "That was an E Flat"
"I support all the Pitches", that's a T-shirt idea if I ever heard one.....
That was hysterical......and yes, it would make a great t-shirt.
YESSSS came here to say that
That would be great merch, so affirming,! Haha
Y E S
I want to see them react to Jacob Collier's hearing. The man has arguably the best musical hearing in the world, he can hear microtones even. He can tell how many cents two frequencies are apart. He's inhuman.
Are there any videos that he demonstrates this?
@@chrundle2700 every one he makes
There's an online hearing test you can take that tests your ability to hear tiny changes in frequency. I really want to get some proper musical training because I was 99.8% accurate. Have look for it. I tried it last year.
Eyyo, ZENITSU'S VOICE ACTOR
JC is incredibly skilled and has very accurate perfect pitch but he can't hear exactly how many cents an interval is. He's just good at estimating how sharp or flat a pitch is and getting pretty close. If he guessed 2 or 3 cents out you wouldn't be able to tell
Eddie just thanking the god for his gift while Brett just begging for it with a cup and straw is hilarious 😂
I think I remember the editors saying they changed out the boat horn in production, which answers why he's saying C-C# but the post production sound is Eb
why would do they do that on this type of video im dead💀💀
Wait are you serious? That’s actually so bad wtf. It makes him look as if he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
and why did they do that lol
@@hpsmash77 most best guess is that they didnt have the license for the sound they played for Charlie, and therefore couldnt put it in the video.
@@J.D.... they didn't have license for a c# note?
whole video
Eddy: I have perfect pitch
Brett: and I don't **makes noises**
I'm pretty sure a different music Channel stated that the boat sound was edited in so that's why Charlie got it wrong, they played a different sound in studio
I heard the same thing about the situation
I don't know anything about video editing, but that seems like a really unnecessary thing to do. Downright stupid if the whole point of the video is to prove someone has perfect pitch... Like, why?
@@BadGirlFan Because it's an excuse to cover for Mr. Puth there lmao
@@BadGirlFan Maybe the people who edited the video were as clueless about this stuff as the interviewer? I honestly don't think it's that unlikely. Maybe something just went wrong in the editing process? As you may hear, the note that Charlie sings is way different from this "horn sound". And the sound we heard doesn't really even sound like a horn, whereas they described it as the sound of some kind of a foghorn.
Also, the way Charlie described it as starting from a lower pitch and then going up just doesn't match what we are hearing. And you don't need perfect pitch to be able to hear that. So, I honestly doubt that he wouldn't be able to hear it, when all of his other answers were correct, aside from a couple of slight inaccuracies (describing a B as a "slightly flat C", or saying that the note is closer to F# when it was closer to F natural).
Charles Cornell made a video about it, and it explains it pretty well (and also why the whole video was pretty stupid and had kind of a flawed premise - and if you understand the flaw with the premise of the video, I don't think it would be that difficult to believe that they might also make a mistake in the editing process of the video).
You're talking about Charles Cornell's video: ruclips.net/video/FWvOevUsy6M/видео.html
WIKIPEDIA PUT EDDY'S NAME IN THE PERFECT PITCH MUSICIANS LIST
Damn straight!
Put it urself
Actually eddy could just put it himself tho
@@twinklystarzz some wiki editors keep removing his name because there's no "reliable source" that talks about his perfect pitch. apparently articles by the violin channel is not a reliable source to them 💀
@@confidentialcat pfft
All the pitches in the house say yooo
Off topic but 10 secinds in and you can tell how charlie does NOT want to be there😭😭
Yeah he seems kinda uncomfortable
Definitely tired about demonstrating his perfect pitch a lot in interviews lmao
TwoSet is literally the only RUclips-Channel where you would hear Egmont in the background xd
The "they're also on camera" joke is funny and I thought of making it myself, and it's a valid argument that they can take as many takes as they want but I think the main thing there is they're filming for us, a relatively small fanbase who accepts mistakes, while Charlie Puth is a celebrity
Hi pitches,
Me as a pianist with perfect pitch,
That C# - Eb thing is a distorted sound, a noise, it could creat an audional illusion for us and for Charlie. We hear distorted sound in different ways in different enviroment. It is possible that he actually heard a C#.
The F - F# problem: you can hear a high (low pitched) F# too maybe he heard that stronger in the studio. Glasses make irregular "overtones". It depends which one of them your brain listens to.
He cannot recognize accurately notes so fast at the beginning then screw up these easy tests later. Calculate please with the fact that he heard the notes differently in the studio.
The only thing I do not understand is that why do people thing that perfect pitch is such a great thing. It is literally just knowing the names of the pitches, as you know the letters or colors. But knowing and recognizing the letter and colors doesn't necessary make you aa great poet or painter...
Relative pitch is more valuable because you need to understand the relations between the notes, the scale-degrees, harmonies etc. That's really something.
Anyway what Brett sang at the end was a high G#
Kind regards,
Check Saxologic's video abbout perfect pitch vs true pitch
its just a recurring joke that eddy likes to flex his perfect pitch. i doubt he actually cares.
It is an amazing thing to have if you play an instrument, being able to hear something and then play it who wouldn’t want thay
but even charlie knew tho and changed his pitch
@@koppie4609 perfect pitch is naming the notes not an amazing thing to have
@sarahw-ong useless its a disability
EDDY BEING LOWKEY SALTY IS A MOOD
to explain the physics behind the 7:28 gaffe: imagine any string on any stringed instrument, as you make it shorter by pressing your finger on it, it resonates at a higher frequency; frequency is the number of waves at a given point in one unit of time. since waves travel less distance with a shorter string, their frequency becomes higher. (and vice versa)
now replace the string with a glass; as you pour the liquid out of the glass, you're increasing the portion of the glass that will resonate (akin to increasing a string's length), therefore, the sound will be at a lower frequency.
note to everyone: the horn was not a C sharp because the editors put in a different boat sound
With editors like that, who needs enemies ? :-)
I'm not sure, he clearly sings the Eb and then drops down. He does the same later with the bell also.
There's no evidence they played the wrong clip
@@alansouthall8221 You're wrong, the horn was an e flat, but in both cases he sang a c sharp.
@@alansouthall8221 if you are talking about 5:40, he sang a c sharp :) source: i have perfect pitch
Na the interviewer acknowledgement of the "titanic horn" confirms Charlie was just wrong.
4:19 either the editors added a different sound than what they actually played to Charlie in the moment, or the speakers/whatever audio device he was hearing this on altered the pitch in some way. There's no way that he listened to the same thing as us and heard a C#, especially considering that he nailed every single other pitch that they played for him
according to charles cornell's video they played a different boat sound
Psssssssss
@@chuukki why did he stutter then when imitating the sound?
@@joseptorrelles probably just a coincidence that he started on the wrong note and it happened to be an Eb
I think this guy has relative pitch but from someone who has perfect pitch, these sounds aren’t really that hard to hear so idk if I would say if he has perfect pitch 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Eddie definitely deserves to be on the wiki, but I understand they are probably only limiting the list to some of the most documented and famous cases. Thats the only reason I can imagine the list only being a dozen. Absolute pitch is rare but not that rare. 😂
I used to think I was special for having perfect pitch, then I went to music uni and every second person and their dog has perfect pitch. In every new chamber rehearsal someone would ask 'okay who's got perfect pitch?' to tune to, always expecting at least one person to have it even within a quartet. One of the conducting students asked their chamber choir for a perfect pitch starting note, and the professor quickly said "no one answer!" fully expecting people would have it.
Actually, you are special if you indeed have perfect pitch. It is a gift and not every musician has it. Many more musicians have relative pitch than perfect pitch statistically.
@@whatevergoesforme5129 disagree, nobody comes out of the womb knowing the 440hz is an A, perfect pitch is a learned skill just like everything else in music and life.
@BestRolf yes you definitely can i guarantee if you sit at a piano every day and practice guessing pitches eventually you will be able to get them all the time.
but my real pet peeve is all the conceited dipshits who pretend that they are just inherently superior to others because they were lucky enough to receive musical training at a young age.
You can get perfect pitch if you get training for it at a young age
After a certain age (not sure if it's 5+ or something), the window closes and you cant get it anymore.
@@purplism4857 Perfect pitch is something that literally cannot be learned past like the age of 5 or around there. And even then there are people that are born able to learn it and some people its just impossible to learn
this is just eddy being all humble about his perfect pitch 🧍🏻♀️
humble is really the wrong word for it. seems pretty arrogant to me
@@voelligbanane844 it's a joke sis XD
what a sarcastic dude😏,
I always have difficulty with the term "perfect pitch" and especially, "god given ability". The ability is to recognize notes in equal temperament. Which must be a learned skill, because there is nothing innate about equal temperament.
Perfect pitch is actually a learned skill that has a sensitive period -6 years old after which you can’t learn it
But with appropriate knowledge and learning before being 6 anyone could get perfect pitch
There is a little debate about wether there is small to do with genes and heritability
But it’s an agreement that most of it at least is learned
Perfect pitch refers to directly associate any sound to a music note and then from that people with it could right away know which note is playing and if it the the wrong note played etc, it’s not about an ability to sing for example (sometimes it can make singing( associating another word to a note), harder, and some more dissonant style of music more tricky to put up with for people with perfect pitch)
It differs from « relative pitch » where a musician knows a lot and how to differs between 2 notes but not to the point that without having any comparison the brain does it directly
I wrote a paper on that last year in a Neurocognition of music course and it was really interesting I learned a lot so if you are interested I recommend checking the studies !
@@anaispoinsnt8631 thank you so much for your very thoughtful reply. I will definitely check out the field of neurocognition in music. One thing your comments don't address though, is the "relativity" of perfect pitch (I am not referring to relative pitch here). When you say someone with perfect pitch can associate any sound to a music note. The note they are assigning it too is a note defined by equal temperament. If they were listening to music in a different temperament they wouldn't be able to correctly identify all of the notes. Because some of the intervals will be a different size, some of the note names will be a different frequency than in equal temperament. Truly "perfect pitch" would be the ability to hear a sound and identify its frequency (hz).
"The ability is to recognize notes in equal temperament. Which must be a learned skill"
no, saying learning perfect pitch is like saying learning to see colors. You can't, you're born with it. You just learned to name some of them in a specific language. But you never need a name to recognize a color. We all played as kids with color puzzles without knowing how they were named.
The debate is on that "sensitive period". No one can argue with a solid logic and facts "I could have had perfect pitch if I praticed at 12", because you can't prove it. you can't reinvent your past, It is only assumption.
If perfect pitch was a learned skill, you could still train it and avoid to lose it. Where in fact, everybody knows now you'll lose it at greater age and you can't avoid it. Like if you go blind one day, it wouldn't be your fault not praticing seeing skill, you'd have lost a natural ability.
That's why relative pitch and using memory is more reliable over time. You have to pratice it and can practice it all your life.
The term "perfect pitch", especially when people talk about Charlie Puth, is being milked extremely hard.
Whenever Brett is doing "analysis" I just can't control my laugh, man he's funny.
I love how Eddy's salty that Charlie is on the Wikipedia's page about perfect pitch🤣🤣
this 🤣🤣
Charlie, meanwhile, has multiple news articles directly discussing his perfect pitch. Eddy has nothing other than being in a list of 30 names. There's the difference.
Meh to be honest, identifying the pitch of a rubber duck is for entertainment, identifying the pitch for instruments is more practical. But then i bang walls in my house to find the pitch
@@Silverizael What is the difference ?
@@janzakrzewski6649 Actual reliable news coverage with significant discussion specifically of the person having perfect pitch.
6:23 your horrified faces, i can't- 😂😂😂
Lmfao
I did it and then started cracking up lol 😂
For those wondering, the background music in the beginning is "Dvorák - Serenade for Strings in E Major, Op. 22, B. 52: II. Tempo di valse".
No, it’s not. It’s the beginning of Tchaikovsky’s violin concerto, 3rd movement, ruclips.net/video/T61VRKL9KOA/видео.html, from 25:37 here 😊
Imagine not knowing the 3rd movement everyone knows that 😒
You can hear D'vorak's serenade al 0:26
This atcually feels like a "perfect pitch" saga and I'm here for it 😂😂
This is the most genuine form of open jealousy i have seen
So humble and fascinating
they changed the boat horn in the edit to make it sound more like a boat horn. that’s the reason for the “slip up” haha
How do you know that?
@@xandraxandra1437 charles cornell made a video about it awhile back
@@MaxLevan I forgot about that video, thanks for the reminder.
This comment needs more likes. Charlie isn't really appreciated in this video, even though it was the interviewer's fault for changing the sound
Though Brett doesn’t have perfect pitch, he has perfect pizz🌝✨💯
Yes!
Eddy is less confident than Brett on pizz though. Most of the videos flexing pizz were done by Brett.
@@YH1029-tw yeah, that's why OP said Brett has perfect pizz.
he is just ... perfect💯😄
@Emilia Ryba how?
This video is basically just you destroying Charlie puth’s career and Eddy being angry about not being on Wikipedia anymore
We will always crown eddy as our perfect pitch king
And Charlie Puth as the minister for our king🤣🤣
Whether he made a mistake or it was the production team in post, I think this video was just fun and not to hate on Charlie Puth! I think he’s a phenomenal musician either way and there’s no disputing that he has perfect pitch lol
So true and very easy to forget with the two set community. I guess this video exists though out of the wikis decision to remove eddy, and in that way this video is just fun too😅
Also Charlie seems to be a little over having to do his little party trick all the time on camera I think even once he said it was someone as you to read a letter when you know how to read it’s kind of just repetitive and doesn’t feel that special.
I don't know if this matters but I have never heard of Charlie until today, definitely not defending him based on fandom. (lul)
And I don't think you can really "make mistake" with perfect pitch. On the flip side, if you ask Charlie (or anyone with perfect pitch) to sing a note, I am pretty sure he will get it 100% of a time.
Identifying a sound (and to some degree, outright noise, e.g. the titanic sinking) is a whole different story. David Bruce (here: ruclips.net/video/Xd54l8gfi7M/видео.html) taught me that instrument sound have a dominant frequency but also a whole slew of other frequencies that are all stacked on top. My guess is that Charlie's ear is just more drawn to a secondary frequency over the "fundamental" in a few cases. There can also be recording issues (mic not picking up the multiple frequencies as equally as what Charlie is hearing) or playback issue (audio encoding dropped some frequencies?). And I am not even a sound engineer. Pretty sure a professional can explain it thousand times better.
@@theatog I’m pretty sure you can still absolutely make mistakes with perfect pitch, Eddy himself has described it happening to him specifically when he’s just woken up. (which makes sense to me, it’s sort of like if you wake up and your eyes are a bit fuzzy)
But yeah, from Charles Cornell’s video I remember there was a theory that something waffley is happening with that “boat horn.” That would be pretty likely to be a combination tone and probably one of them didn’t make it through production quite intact.
Absolutely, he didn’t go to Berklee for nothing!
*Eddy smirking the whole time he is talking about having perfect pitch
they both have it
@@MishaSkripach how do you know?
@ how he plays.
It is their business trick me thinks
*yOu DoNt SaY*
*wE kNoW yOuRe SuRe*
Editor san represents all of us
I love editor san as much as I love Brett and Eddy.
Tbh, on Charlie's defense, it's really hard to keep calm cuz everyone asks him about his perfect pitch and everyone wants to test it. He's under a lot of pressure and I won't blame him for messing up. No one is perfect anyway.
I mean you can't really mess up -- it's like naming colours, kind of. You might hesitate or accidentally say the wrong thing but you know what the colour is, so you'd probably instantly correct yourself. It's kind of hard to explain -- like sometimes there's a disconnect between verbalising what the note/chord is but you know what it is. Unless there are, like, 12 different notes playing at the same time -- then it just sounds muddy and like too many different colours are being mixed together. Unless he didn't correct himself which would be weird... maybe he was annoyed at the interviewers
If you actually have perfect pitch you literally can’t mess up.
That’s what perfect means.
@@brxzbze also I’m pretty sure the deeper sound on the boat horn is actually a production mistake that led to distorted audio. It’s hard to tell but I can definitely see that possibility
Perfect pitch…”no one is perfect” it is called perfect pitch for a reason, not good pitch.
thats true but charlie definitely offers his pitch opinion when hes not asked soo i would say at least 50% of that pressure he put on himself hahah
This guy in the video looks so done with the perfect pitch thingy. I reckon he has been asked like a million times.
Another thing that I'm seeing is how heavily the term "perfect pitch" has been milked. Everyone fanboys/fangirls over people who have it because they think it's some silver bullet that magically makes them infinitely more talented than people who don't. However, it's not all it's cracked up to be.
Sometimes, I think something sounds flat when it's actually in tune, for example. Or when someone's singing is noticeably out of tune and I sound like I'm being "too harsh".
Or when people fail to realise that most people with perfect pitch are trained to 12-tone equal temperament and A = 440 Hz but we can get away with it in contemporary music since the vast majority of it is in 12-tone equal temperament with A = 440 Hz. And they end up going for a wild ride once they get into the world of classical music and start learning about historical pitch and historical temperaments, many of which were unequal.
@@electric7487 most top rated musicians don't have perfect pitch right?
@@Tenchi707 Most likely. They have relative pitch.
Alternative title: Perfect pitch vs. Perfect pitch with Eddy pointing out all the mistakes
Edit: Thanks to everyone for pointing this out, but my explanation holds true when blowing air into the filled glasses. That is indeed when the length of the air column matters. However, that is not the case when tapping the glasses.
Original comment:
Around the 8-minute mark, when he pours the blue liquid out of the glass, the note must go lower (as was so perfectly identified by Eddy). The physics is simple. The wavelength of the fundamental mode is equal to the length of the air column in the glass. So, when you pour the liquid out, the height of the air column increases, which means that wavelength increases, which means frequency decreases.
BUT!!!!! Charlie is the one on Wikipedia, so that must mean he's right.
But wasn't he "tapping" it, making the glass and liquid as a whole the vibrating body, as opposed to "blowing" into the glass? So theoretically the pitch will go higher after pouring out some liquid? (Correct me if I'm wrong >
@@tusitaida3330 I thought it'd be practical to provide timestamps to directly compare:
7:10 vs 7:41
now u can listen to which sounds higher. i wonder if the shape of the glass affects it, cause more water should produce lower pitch if tapping the glass.
but if it's blowing, then more water should produce higher pitch.
@@黃聖堯-s9d I don't have perfect pitch but felt latter one was lower (and i could be wrong too lol).
@@tusitaida3330 good point. However, my understanding is that the liquid acts as a dampening agent. When you hit the glass, the part of its body that is free (same length as the air column) will vibrate.
Edit: in fact, when you try to make sound, you generally hit the glass near where it’s empty.
You don't need perfect pitch to transpose on the spot, but if you know what keys are good for an artist (ie you know their range) then you have an aid in transposing. Makes you a hair quicker at finding notes outside of range in a transposed key to know if a given key will work
Brett got to flex his perfect pizz. It’s Eddy’s turn (aGain).
tbh? I think they played the wrong sound afterwards(in post production), because getting a note wrong once is one thing.
But, someone with perfect pitch who gets the wrong note twice and doesnt notice seems pretty weird to me
Yeah thats actually what happend
7:49, but that shouldn't be the case actually. Less water increases the pitch, so if it was F before it should get closer to F sharp.
It's literally become the perfect pitch battle between Eddy and Charlie and Brett was just : "Don't look at me, I don't have perfect pitch."
It's sad, but watch your videos it makes me feel less alone. And motivates me to re-start on music. Thank you so much guys, you don't know how much I really appreciate your work. I wish you read this comment, you makes me laugh when the only thing I want is cry. Thank you with all my heart.
damn why am i the first person to like this, this is so sad 😭😭
@@yona7256 Omg don't worry!!!! Thank you for read me oh my gosh 😱😱🥺 you are very kind
@@celiaandreualiaga616 Tysm, I wish you good luck on your musical journey💞💞
Me too, they make me happy and motivates me to continue music❤️
It's pretty undisputable that Eddy has perfect pitch. Unfortunately, the Wikipedia battle was over whether or not Eddy counted as "notable" in the eyes of Wikipedia editors 🥲
*We* all think you're notable, Eddy 💕
Exactly! Hopefully,once they get more subscribers,Eddy will be counted as "notable"
Yeah, I assumed that, too
Wikipedia main editors are very pissy about internet celebrities notability. But Eddy’s time will come.
I put his name on, only to find that it was taken down 20 minutes later T^T
@Kanpindon You are correct; I did not read the "talk" section of the page. Thanks for the correction
I love how brett doesn't even process what he says sometimes until after he says it and then confuses himself 😂
I like this about him 😌
Roasting an artiste known globally. Classic Two-Sets
“He wandered into no pitch land. I know what it feels like.”
Brett was full of perfect one-liners today!
Eddy just highkey lowkey salty that a pop musician got recognised over him for perfect pitch smh 😂 and Brett’s just being the supportive bestie going along with his schemes hahaha
I heard somewhere that since the boat sound is so weird, it was distorted. So the sound we hear in the video is distorted from what was actually played in the studio for Charlie to hear. I think Charles Cornell did a video on it.
the reason it seems like his not right alot of times is because of post production issus and the audio got slightly messed up but he was always correct
For the boat horn yeah but he really did mess up on the glass cuz removing the water always makes it go down so the note should have really been from in between an f# and an f to closer to an f instead of going higher to an f#
Exactly what I was thinking
Except for when he poured water out of the glass. That one he provably got wrong. You pour water out of the glass, the pitch goes down. It's just physics. You could have lost your hearing and still called it out based on him saying the pitch went up.
@@VrIgHtEr yeah but that is acceptable that he messed up, because the tension and it is not exactly so clear note like the boat. But that boat has to be mistake of production...
@@lenochod6 Agreed. I don't have perfect pitch and I still recognized that as a B (first note of a piece I've played recently). He definitely wouldn't have gotten that one wrong.
"Brett also doesn't know"
Savage editor san
Perfect pitch plus perfect relative pitch allows you to transpose in your head very easily. I think that might be what Charlie was talking about when he meant “analysis.” I had to do this when I sang in acapella choir as they would start to lose pitch and slide down the scale. As I sang a harmony part, I either had to learn the song in several chromatically descending keys, or transpose in my head as we were singing it.
It's funny how Brett kept on doing that action with his hands when he "analyzed" the pitch haha.
eddy's over here really trying to get back on that perfect pitch wikipedia page lmao
I can't with brett doing an analysis everytime 🤣🤣
Eddy = Needs to be on Wikipedia
TWOSETTERS UNITE
LING LING!
literally no pls
LING LING WANNABES UNITE!
Yessssssss... For our perfect pitch boiii...
“Maybe the tuners wrong” 😭 I’m dead they’re savage.
He has great note recognition, he has trouble with high initial notes (note heard upon contact between spoon and glass) that overlap into a gradual quick decline that then straighten out into a harmonic.
Also the slight vibration felt coming from the spoon held in his hand being of a different material might have thrown his judgment a bit.
then the sound of the two materials coming in contact might have thrown his brain off by a bit -assuming he has such a sensitivity to resonance.
Basically he hears *tink* (of contact between glass and metal)
Then *harmonic traveling from initial contact area of glass then reverbing around rim to meet dying harmonic pitch*
How he heard a higher pitch from the fog horn could be explained by him hearing the initial split second sound of the horn before the vibrational device within the horn that causes the lower distorted pitch kicked in and quickly tick between two different pitches one high and one low pitch.
The rubber duck is expessially difficult to explain as its a high initial sound that dies at a constant due to the material contracting where the air escapes,so an extremely smooth decline transition between notes sharp,regular and flat resulting in a overlapping combo of the three pitches while transitioning into the next octave then the inhalation starts with flat then normal then sharp so its essentially reversed.
Monkey is just duel notes that transition quickly from eachother then jump to another slightly different pair then a very different duo.Its mostly just alot to reconise all at once in a short amount of time.
Cody:does an whole analysis and gets 4 likes
Others: one joke is all it takes
About the ship horn thing, it might have been an editing mistake where the actual sound played was C# (and Charlie was correct) but the editors used the wrong E flat sound when editing. Another youtuber, Charles Cornell, talked about it
So rather than just play the native audio that captured the entire conversation, the editing team created a new note, different from the original note, in a video that's testing a precise ability to distinguish musical notes? Sure.. that's plausible.
I love how people fabricate nonsensical excuses rather than coming to the easy and obvious opinion that this guys a self conceited twat that lies about having perfect pitch to get attention from little kids who think that's special.
@@xXxXcrosbykidXxXx wow, that is an incredibly harsh judgement on puth considering this is just a fun video on pitch. Its also rude to say op is fabricating info when they're just restating information from Charles' video and sharing an opinion on something not even that serious.
@@mildly_edgy4210 bring your hurt feelings elsewhere. I don't care if it's "rude", I'm trying to be factual, not polite. If you disagree with my take on the situation, feel free to present a logical rebuttal that reasonably explains the shortcomings of the original bullshit "explanation". Are you familiar with the idea of Occam's razor?
@@xXxXcrosbykidXxXx "when you dont have any talent just call anyones talent is fake." I can see you say that to your sons/daughters in the future... what a joke
@@xXxXcrosbykidXxXx But you're not being factual. You're presenting an opinion and fluffing it up with theoretical "bullshit" to stroke your own ego. This is RUclips, not Philosophy-101, and Puth has repeated demonstrated his prowess in recognizing notes. Why the hell would anyone need to consider Occam's razor? You're an actual 🤡
Unless you have physical evidence that Puth, not the editing team, made a mistake (subsequently turning your opinion into a fact), Cornell's excuse is entirely plausible. Although it's more complex, it is definitely more logical than Puth lying about having perfect pitch, as actual musicians would have called him out.
When Charlie Puth 'slipped up', I don't think he actually did, the sound in the studio and the post production sound where 2 different notes, must've been
Wouldn't explain the "corrections" in his humming
I see somebody from Charles Cornell’s video
@@PJBoyYT yep, it's clearly stated here that Charlie did in fact match the pitch of the horn, then changed it to C#. Charlie continued to change and lose his pitches later on as well. Charles Cornell didn't notice these things at all and he was just assuming, but twoset here pointed out all of Charlie's mistakes, so if we had to make an educated guess, there is actually nothing pointing at the production crew. Even Charles did not even have the slightest hint to blame the production crew, he just blamed them cause he assumed Charlie can't make mistakes. But in this video, we know for a fact charlie continued to make mistakes. So it was a miss by Charles.
Not me pulling out my tuner to double check everything👀
Eddy: perfect pitch
Brett: perfect pizz
TwoSet Apparel: perfect fits
Don’t worry Eddy, Wikipedia was never really a credible platform of information. So, the absolute pitch that you’ve long had and practiced isn’t really discredited.
Wikipedia is credible exactly because it does not list everyone under the sun that claims to have perfect pitch.
Lmao Anirudh, listen to your teachers when they say citing Wikipedia is NOT credible. go back to school kid
I think he was most likely taken off the list not because they don’t believe that he has perfect pitch, but instead because they don’t think he belongs on the list of “notable musicians.”
@@stephendonovan9084 It was the contrary actually, or so they claim. They kept pushing that Eddy wasn't particularly notable, even giving an example of why some kid with perfect pitch wasn't let in despite having articles written about him because he wasn't a notable example, but when someone mentioned how twoset is a massive influence in the Classical world, they have sellout concerts everywhere and even featured in the front page of strad, the editors switched their tune and started saying that all the sources weren't credible or were self-claimed.
@Kanpindon another proof of how wikipedia editors are just bunch of people with too much free time and have nothing better to do. Yes I’m talking to you too, a member of wikipedia cult
So funny!! They changed the boat sound effect in post editing 😂😂 so it’s not the same sound we’re hearing that he’s hearing
4:50 Brett perfectly vocalizes in between C and C#. Not sure if on purpose or not.
LOL, Editor-san coming out with the quips straight away.
Editor-san back on form! Or it’s our old friend comic-sans Editor-san, returned from leave.
Looks like I'm not the only one mixing up C and F when doing this. I don't claim to have perfect pitch though.
I want it