@@sheap3871 it is not. When you are not in your home then it is not an invasion of your privacy. People assume that no one can take pictures of you out and about but that is not true. Your privacy is within the 4 walls of your home.
I understand what you're saying as I was in that boat with a couple jobs myself but she was only working part time of such and such hours or so since they've never stated she went full time at the job and if the pay was around $540/wk. I'm pretty sure she must've had something else going on that helped her afford living so she wouldn't have had to work the 2 years there. Because if that pay was what she was getting weekly at the end and it was increasing over time that means it was less near the start and all. As soon as it started happening she should've been looking for another job and then when she found one hand in her two week's notice. That's how I was raised. You don't like the job start searching for another while you're working there and when you find and get another then you're free of that terrible job you're at.
Usually I feel like I wouldn't believe someone when it comes to getting more money from employers and maybe the harassment wasn't as bad. But I do think there was some harassment and this guy was so wrong. Also about them not sure if she got paid that s bull
This is literally why victims don't say things sooner. Everyone gets the gist of what happened here and the law does nothing to protect her or punish garbage scumbags like the defendant who even admitted to this behavior.
At the very end when his daughter said 'this has been very embarrassing..' I thought she was referring to her father, but how shocking to hear she was talking about the plaintiff. That daughter should be ashamed of herself for defending her pervert father...
I really regret saying this because it’s despicable to even entertain, but it seems he is not only perverse but perhaps incestuous considering his daughter’s nonchalant attitude! On what planet does the daughter deem his behavior normal and acceptable????
99 percent of the time I agree with Judge Milian, but this case makes me so upset. This is definitely a hostile work environment. If he didn’t even think to not comment on her rear end in his answer to a JUDGE, what makes you think there was any restraint in person with no witnesses.
It's so opposite for me... 99 percent of the time I do not agree with her, and this case is no exception... smh she bases alot of her rulings on "her experience" which seems so biased to me.. but at any rate
It is a shame. I have seen women being sexually harassed at work and nothing is done about it. The only time HR got involved was when an employee was fired because she said no. I think if this happened to this lady then the judge would have sided with her. UNLESS, this is not a civil case but a criminal case.
@@alicia113006 sexual harassment is not protected speech lol Sorry to burst your freedom bubble, there are plenty of things you can say in the US that are in fact illegal.
@@alicia113006 Exactly... I'd have asked if I could pull that hair in a very special way. You're allowed to ask once for peeling the panties- after that it's a different issue.
The judge picking apart her sexual harassment claim... Even though her employer has remarked about her weight gain and sent inappropriate pictures. Im sure the judge will not rule in her favor for the entire amount. Edit: wow she didn't get a dime. Interesting
@J J But why do I feel like he was also the person sending them. That person clearly knew there wouldn’t be any repercussions for sending that stuff to a business email... cause who does that. And why would he defend the person sending them. Yeah he definitely was harassing her...
@@Channel-JJ yes another person sent it but that's still his fault because he was using her computer which I think he did that on purpose if defendant was using his on computer she would have never seen it
Victim shaming! The judge seriously asked why the plaintiff didn’t tell him to pick it up the piece of paper? Perhaps because it was her boss and she did not want to get fired? 🤷🏾♀️ Then the judge question the plaintiff as to why she waited so long to file a claim of sexual harassment? Perhaps because she needed her income and had a fractured hand that may have prevented her from working anywhere else?🤷🏾♀️ This case was an EXCELLENT example of how not to treat a victim of sexual harassment. Makes me even sicker that the judge is a female.
@@FilmerOfBobcats jj does not play the feminism card. Unless he was cornering her in the room and telling her how sexy she looked and blowing her kisses jj would have done the same as jm. By the looks of it most of you women define almost any interaction with a man you dont like as sexual harassment.
The judge has 3 daughters too. What the hel was the judge thinking, she was wrong not giving her compensation for being treated like that. This was a terrible out come in every way. The defendant got away with it
That's what I was thinking. How lucky the judge is, that she never had to put up with a horrible work environment in order to make ends meet. Some of us don't have the luxury.
Wow! The ending with his daughter, he raised a "winner." Sad, that he's raised/trained a daughter to think sexual harassment is okay. And he has a grand daughter...coming up behind this mess.
I think she should have been awarded a small fee for having to work in a hostile work environment. The judge could have said, this isn't 'sexual harassment', but it's just not right to treat an employee like this.
That’s not how the law works. I agree with the judge. While the defendant comes off as a creep, nothing brought forth rises to an actionable legal judgment level.
no he wasnt up to anything . the guy simply grew up in a totally different era where stuff like that in the workplace was common and she did too as a matter of fact because she is not young either . she appears to have been a young woman in the 1970s where sexual harassment was a typical day at the office and nobody made a big deal about it like all the woke social justice warriors do today and our whole society is breaking down with a young generation that does not even know what gender they are for f**k sake .
@@marleonetti7 I grew up that long ago too. He,s a grown ass man and knows the difference between right and wrong in the workplace. She needed her job to keep money flowing. Yes she should have quit but I've been in that situation and worked till I couldn't stand it anymore at that job. Don't give excuses for bad actions. He wasn't born a caveman. He knew better.
@@patim5953 u say he knew better but again , in his generation they did not think that type occasional humor in the workplace was a immoral thing. today it has become like that for purely political and financial reasons where politicians ran campaigns on that to get female votes and lawyers needed money for lawsuits so they came up with sexual harassment lawsuits and it was about money not morals.
Wow I can't believe the Judge let him get away with this! She has no idea what a person who doesn't know the law can through in these types of situations
He wasn’t there for the harassment. The case was about her commission. She did cuss him out about commenting on the lady’s body but she couldn’t penalize him because that’s not what the suit is about. Logic over emotions.
If he feels comfortable to comment on someone’s rear-end and admit to that in court, imagine what he said and how he acted in the office?? I 100% believe the plaintiff. That’s a hostile environment, period! And there’s a lot of people who work in environments that they can’t immediately get out of. Ugh 😑 the entitlement.
The senior guy did sexually harass the employee..he would have been fired on the emails alone..only issue is most federal and state statutes apply to companies with more than 50 or so employees..but she was sexually harassed..toxic work environment..she needed an attorney
I think she proved sexual harassment. Even the judge felt it was inappropriate and it was persistent. Lots of people say why didn't you do this but the fact is that he knew she was in desperate straights and couldn't easily find another source of income and used it too...I don't want to say coerce her into something but how else can you look at.
Narrator: "The plaintiff is accusing the defendant of sexual harrassment" Me: Oh that's interesting. I wonder how that's gonna play o- Narrator: "The defendant says he didn't because she gained 25 pounds." ... He did it.
This plaintiff was very clearly sexually harassed and the defendant even admitted to actions that would be a legally hostile environment. This was an incredibly bad judgement. Judge Milian seems to almost always call these incorrectly but I know she probably has little to no experience in employment law. It was pervasive harassment.
Sexual harassment cases have a tricky process. First, you have to tell the offending person their behavior is creating a toxic workplace. She kind of did that with the emails from his friend, but they weren't sent directly to her from her boss. The other incidents she never said anything about. Also, you have to submit a sexual harassment claim to a government agency like the EEOC. They will conduct an investigation and if they find a legitimate claim, they issue a notice to the victim that allows them to sue for sexual harassment. That didn't happen here, and doesn't happen in most cases. This is one of those cases that feels clean-cut but the law lags behind common sense.
Nah, he's full of it. How do you just so happen to have pictures of her while "testing" out your new iPad and she has no knowledge of the pictures? Creepy ass.
Oh, I feel so bad for the plaintiff. I'm sure it was tough for her to quit her job, but I wish she had walked away from that horrible Jerk and job much, much earlier. What she needed was belief in herself, and someone to tell her to believe in herself. She was afraid that no one would hire her because of her hand injury so she just sucked it up week after week for a paycheck. I'm sure she would've been able to get another job if she had left.
I had to re-listen to the intro 3 times cause I couldn't believe he ACTUALLY said that about gaining weight...who says that??? I can't wait to hear this ... 🤣🤣🤣
He brought his daughter because he knew she was going down the sexual harassment road, so wanted someone beside him to try and make him look less of a creep. It failed miserably.
“Grievous or persistent,”. It was both! It absolutely was sexual harrasment. She was in a position where she could not afford to make money, and he consistently verbally and physically violated her boundaries. This is much bigger than small claims court and I hope she can take this somewhere else.
Milian chastised the defendant for victim blaming, but she did the same thing by saying the plaintiff stayed so she couldn't have been that miserable. It's obvious that the defendant is a creep who took advantage of a person who needed the money, and had no other good options. The plaintiff got harrassed and ripped off by her boss, for the same reason she was railroaded by Milian; she's not very good at sticking up for herself.
She wasn’t “railroaded”. JM is a judge and she’s pointing out something completely obvious. How do you take sexual harassment for 2 years? I mean, she couldn’t find another job? I would haul a$$ and find another job immediately to avoid that abuse. It’s not victim blaming, it’s pointing out the lack of care and responsibility that we owe ourselves, that she did not give herself. That a lot of us don’t seem to give ourselves, especially as women. I agree she doesn’t seem like she can defend herself. That guy and his daughter are scum. And people like them are a dime a dozen. But how do we protect ourselves if we can’t even fight for ourselves first?
@@ChasRiaStJohn The huge mistake that you and Milian are making is assuming that everybody behaves as you would. Just like how staying in an abusive relationship doesn't mean a woman is happy with her marriage, people accept workplace harassment and abuse for a number of reasons related to desperation, financial hardships, and a poor sense of self-worth. But the abuser or harasser - who has purposely preyed on a vulnerable person - shouldn't get to benefit off of those circumstances. This woman entered that job believing she didn't have a lot of options because she had been out of the work force for too long, she invested a lot of time and money into the position making it harder to walk away from, she had a severe injury while she was there that required several surgeries and physio (all of which is expensive), and an illness that needed to be managed with medication (another expense), and being berated and denigrated by her boss on a regular basis likely chipped away at her already not so great self esteem. So it's kind of irrelevant what the average person would do, if the plaintiff had a mindset and circumstances that were worse than that of the average person.
She needs some assertiveness training. Her voice is very soft and tentative. She needs to stand up straight, look you in the eye, and make firm declarative statements. T hat doesn't in any way excuse the creep. He deserved to have his butt kicked. But she will remain a target for bullying behavior unless she learns to assert herself firmly and directly. I was grabbed by the breast in the company parking lot by a pervert from another country who was working with us. I decked him - knocked him down, broke his nose - in one hard punch. He never bothered any of us women again.
He’s LITERALLY the reason (type of guy) why harassment policies are implemented in corporations across the US. He’s the reason we have mandatory trainings to attend every year.
He's the reason I spent 4 hours today at work "learning" a concept I already knew in kindergarten: 1. Keep your hands to yourself. 2. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
Defendant was right about one thing. That he can't change who he is for anyone not even for court. He is who he is. Look at him smile the whole time about it.
I work in a restaurant and must say that I have so many older men that believe this is ok. They constantly harass waitresses everywhere they go and think it's cute or funny. Just disgusting that they believe because they are past a certain age that they can act inappropriate.
This is probably the first time judge Milian IMHO was totally wrong. This lady had some guts coming in front of a room full of strangers opening up about a very sensitive and personal issue. I think the defendant was nothing but a dirty old man and I'm shocked the judge didn't see that! This one dropped my opinion of the judge down a notch to be sure. Sorry judge but you ef'd this one up.
Everything but the pictures was he said / she said. Statements made in testimony do not equal proof. The guy is a creep, but like others have said, you need to get outside agencies or documented evidence for a judge to rule in your favor
Wow he said twice in his answer to the female judge that he watched her ass grow & she didnt think to hold him accountable for sexual harassment? Disgusting
This case right here is why a lot of women and men get sexual harassed and keep it to themselves and suffer in silence. Guess you have to wait until the person have you pinned down and screaming for someone to believe you. It's a sad world.
This case is more reason to open your mouth and say something. Not show up for work for two years then try to prove it. Self advocacy is key. Dont tolerate bs. I’ll never understand allowing someone to make you uncomfortable. Even when my job was on the line I made it clear I will not tolerate disrespect
Can't believe JM didn't at least award the plaintiff sexual harassment! Everything about the defendant screams CREEP & he admitted to having pictures of her on his iPad! Like what more evidence do you need?!
This case was so sad, I feel so much sorry for her. At my place of employment this is grounds for dismissal, unacceptable behavior. Judge Milian was so wrong. This wasn't only sexual harassment but also hostile work environment.
I work in HR and this case is definitely sexual harassment. Just the emails alone qualify as a sexual harassment/hostile work environment case. Everything else was additional layers. The plaintiff didn't get into the details of each incident and was timid about saying on national TV, but she definitely has a case and I'm surprised at the judge.
There was no sexual harassment at all! I'm so sick of people saying literally everything is sexual harassment! How do people think they get a date!? How did their parents get together? How did you find your partner? Compliments, being friendly, looking at someone! Is ALL Normal human behavior!!! Anyone who says otherwise is insane. If he was grouping her then thats way over the line but holy crap this world is so backwards
@@lohman15 According to the definition for sexual harassment that is used for most workplace policies, yes it is. I understand what you mean about us living in a super sensitive society, but it is what it is. Everyone's tolerance levels are different.
Wow, you are the third fellow HR professional I have seen in these comments. I've disagreed with the judge on many occasions, but this case resonates with me more strongly than others because as an HR professional I probably have more knowledge of employment law than she does as that is not her area of expertise. All of us who work in HR probably have more understanding than she does.
Yes! It's not always that simple. I was stuck at a job I couldn't afford to quit for a year and a half. I was miserable and killing myself over it, but I didn't have a choice.
...You can tell that he's used to dominating and intimidating her by of the way that he kept 'staring her down.' You could tell that he was trying to give her the same 'mean, unapproving look' that he used to control her when she was his employee.
I am so disappointed in Judge for not punishing the defendant for sexual harassment. I understand this was ten years ago, but JM owes this woman an apology.
I think she should’ve gotten something, I think she had enough evidence to at least get sexual harassment compensation in whatever amount the judge deemed, but at least sommmmethiinnngggg
I agree. She seemed genuinely traumatized by the experience, and the defendant didn't deny a thing, and actually seemed to be getting off on hearing about it again. He was like if a character from Mad Men was alive today.
Sad that the judge, being a woman herself, had no real empathy for this lady having to work under that creep. How easy for the judge to sit and shout "why did you keep working there" - something to that effect. As if jobs grow on trees!! She mostly blames and shames victims, not the shameful lecherous perpetrators.
Judge should have punished the creepy perp for his despicable behaviour, & compensated at least 1000 dollars to the lady. THEN the creeps would think twice about commenting on rear ends etc. and stop sending foul jokes and pics on a lady's computer. He was misusing his power and taking advantage of her having to work even after 4 surgeries. She did not use her power for another hurting woman.
@@mel...s Absolutely I agree. And many times I watch her attack the kind folk and don't let them even finish their sentences. Why does she ask questions at all if she is not going to listen? !! If someone gets duped she blows the smithereens out of their already suffering selves, & says nothing to cheating perps.
I used to be a fan of this judge. I only watch to be knowledgeable. She is trying to replace Judge Judy’s success and personality. She has become partial, rude, loud, unsympathetic and even more rich. As a survivor, this is why so many people who are harassed in any form DON’T speak up. To any person who doesn’t want to now, send me a message. I will support you.❤
Unfortunately, my father acts the same way as the defendant. My father makes raunchy jokes, and has pictures on his computer of naked women. It's uncomfortable, and I hate having to tell him to stop, because he usually gets upset.
i TRY! my best to take advice/criticism from Family/Friends BECAUSE a stranger may not be as thoughtful with their reply, may be Your father will get a rude "heads up" when he gets a response from someone who doesn't care about his feelings.
@@lashundavis156 Yea, I was just curious if it was a work environment thing like the case. Now I don't know why I was ever curious in the first place 😊
I feel she selected the wrong show to go to, she should have gone to JJ she will put him in his right place. I don’t understand JM asking for specific situations where defendant’s demeanor was vulgar and his smirk makes me feel uncomfortable and I am just watching this smh.
She is a terrible Judge she clearly does not understand sexual harassment and hostile work environment policies and procedures. This lady should have filed a claim with EEOC
Anyone else super surprised she didn't get SOMETHING for the sexual harassment? He wrote inappropriate comments IN HIS WRITTEN TESTIMONY for court! 🤦🏻♀️ God only knows what he said in a small office!
I think it was tough to prove sexual harassment, but she should have been awarded at minimum the 2 weeks as there was a lot of proof for hostile working environment. Probably should have given her something for punitive damages as well.
He is the 9 to 5 boss Mr. Hart! I totally believe he didn’t give her commissions because she didn’t put out lol. He does not respect woman. Ten bucks says he has never had a male assistant lol.
I don’t understand how she couldn’t tell he was a sexist & probably did sexual harass her, his answer to the complaint he talked about her weight. What does weight have to do with the case & if she was happy or not? SMH
Really amazed that this judge is essentially rolling her eyes at this woman's claims. This is so sad. I have been treated similarly at work when I was a teenager/young adult and it's heartbreaking to see her treated like she is crazy or delusional.
The judge clearly forgot what it’s like being a normal employee. This happens far too often. And there are employers that go on power trips to make themselves feel better. If I told my boss to pick something up they would look at me crazy.
I'm disappointed the judge didn't award anything for the sexual harassment. It's not the daughter's job to check her dad. The judge is the authority figure in a position to enact change.
I think the plaintiff was in an abusive relationship with her ex which set her up for the harassment by the defendant. He knew exactly what he was doing and had no remorse for what he did or said until JM rammed him for his answer to the complaint.
Yes, it is sexual harassment. You are 💯 correct. They have you watch videos and tell you unwanted contact is sexual harassment. Yet nothing happens. 🙄🙄🙄
Judge should understand that all women aren't as strong to speak out as she or I and that when you are alone in a low traffic office with a man it can be intimidating even if he is a tiny douche bag
He definitely sexually harassed her. And it sounds like he was a jerk in other ways too, as a boss. I can’t believe that he got away with laughing and smiling when accused of harassment and evidence being shown. Anyone who would react that way when facing a judge does not care about offending his employee or creeping her out. The fact that he brought his daughter to court with him when he knew he was being accused of sexual harassment shows just how little he cares about anyone else’s feelings. He has no shame and doesn’t even understand that he should be embarrassed. I hope the plaintiff reports the sexual harassment to whichever department in her state handles that. I think she could win in a lawsuit that just focuses on that. She needs to get some help with representing herself though. She is timid and doesn’t describe things very well. She needs to look for an organization that helps people with sexual harassment complaints. Even if she doesn’t win her case or if the statute of limitations has passed at least his actions would be on the record. It could possibly help a future victim of his.
You can tell the plantiff is uncomfortable. Any unwanted touch, being photographed without knowledge, any salty remarks, inappropriate joking, can be construed as harassment. This is absolutely a harassment case!
So, in one sentence, he said he issued her a check every Friday. However, two minutes later, he said it was direct deposited. Also, the things he did, and said to her totally qualify as sexual harassment.
@@Pippiko I never said this guy was a saint,he def might be an old head with a sexual sense of humor but honestly some of y'all act like y'all don't have dark humor around your friends and such it's only when y'all want to make a statement y'all against us
Should of gave her money for true sexual harassment! He even said he was harassing her! Now he will think his actions are justified and will continue doing it to other female workers!
That was sexual harassment, and be proved it in his own answer! She was absolutely entitled to that. He was hostile and ignorant towards her on top of being inappropriate in a sexual manner. He should be paying! I disagree with this ruling
She should have won her sexual harassment part of the case… He definitely a creep and crossed several lines…Not everyone is in a predicament to stop working
What a jerk, he should know better. Sexual harassment is NEVER Ok. Give her some money for the sexual harassment, I’ve been in this situation, some 40 years ago. It is awful. I was only 17, so I was young and did nothing. Pay the lady!!!!
The guys is obviously a huge creep and the outdoor audience as well as the defendants daughter are all example of why woman do not say anything about being sexually harassed
Judge he clearly invaded her privacy! Come on. He took pictures of her without her knowledge. He’s a creep.
Rubbish.
You don't need permission to take pictures of anyone, unless it is on your property.
@@devianadkar7969 it’s still an invasion of privacy plain and simple.
@@sheap3871 it is not. When you are not in your home then it is not an invasion of your privacy. People assume that no one can take pictures of you out and about but that is not true. Your privacy is within the 4 walls of your home.
@@devianadkar7969 that’s your opinion.
Not everyone can afford to quit their job when they are being harassed at work. She did what she had to do.
I understand what you're saying as I was in that boat with a couple jobs myself but she was only working part time of such and such hours or so since they've never stated she went full time at the job and if the pay was around $540/wk. I'm pretty sure she must've had something else going on that helped her afford living so she wouldn't have had to work the 2 years there. Because if that pay was what she was getting weekly at the end and it was increasing over time that means it was less near the start and all. As soon as it started happening she should've been looking for another job and then when she found one hand in her two week's notice. That's how I was raised. You don't like the job start searching for another while you're working there and when you find and get another then you're free of that terrible job you're at.
Usually I feel like I wouldn't believe someone when it comes to getting more money from employers and maybe the harassment wasn't as bad. But I do think there was some harassment and this guy was so wrong. Also about them not sure if she got paid that s bull
but in this case she wasnt really making a good case that he actually harrased her and it sounded more like exaggeration than actual real harassment .
@@marleonetti7 She wasn't harassed at all. What man would be interested in her. She's not exactly a sex goddess.
I totally Agree
This is literally why victims don't say things sooner. Everyone gets the gist of what happened here and the law does nothing to protect her or punish garbage scumbags like the defendant who even admitted to this behavior.
This judge always tends to blame the victims. It’s gross.
Facts
He made a joke about her butt. GET OVER IT
Na. You’re a female so you believe her no matter what.
@@BigPercyMiller One time it's a joke, multiple times it's harassment.
At the very end when his daughter said 'this has been very embarrassing..' I thought she was referring to her father, but how shocking to hear she was talking about the plaintiff. That daughter should be ashamed of herself for defending her pervert father...
Yes that was disgusting… I feel bad because she probably thinks this is normal.
She’s a narcissist and most definitely is her fathers child but karma is a bitch and they both will face her if they haven’t already
I really regret saying this because it’s despicable to even entertain, but it seems he is not only perverse but perhaps incestuous considering his daughter’s nonchalant attitude!
On what planet does the daughter deem his behavior normal and acceptable????
The apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree…. she should be ashamed and embarrassed
She didn't say VERY she said A LITTLE.
The creep factor is off the charts 😳.
His stupid smirk…
Agreed!
Came here to see if anyone else thought he was a creep. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
IKR you can tell he was manipulative
He really thinks with that smirk to match
99 percent of the time I agree with Judge Milian, but this case makes me so upset. This is definitely a hostile work environment. If he didn’t even think to not comment on her rear end in his answer to a JUDGE, what makes you think there was any restraint in person with no witnesses.
It's so opposite for me... 99 percent of the time I do not agree with her, and this case is no exception... smh she bases alot of her rulings on "her experience" which seems so biased to me.. but at any rate
That's exactly what I said judge is wrong on this case
This upset me too. I thought she should’ve gotten something for sexual harassment
JM got it right. The lady got her feelings hurt. Damn. Too bad we don´t live in fantasy world where everyone loves each other.
It is a shame. I have seen women being sexually harassed at work and nothing is done about it. The only time HR got involved was when an employee was fired because she said no. I think if this happened to this lady then the judge would have sided with her. UNLESS, this is not a civil case but a criminal case.
I can't believe she didn't award her anything. Particularly the fact he commented on her rear end in the answer itself.
It's freedom of speech honey that's America.
@@alicia113006 sexual harassment is not protected speech lol
Sorry to burst your freedom bubble, there are plenty of things you can say in the US that are in fact illegal.
@@alicia113006 freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequence. Sexual harrasment has consequences in a work place
@@maxc.2411 That trick is a troll... I already let her have it earlier
@@alicia113006
Exactly...
I'd have asked if I could pull that hair in a very special way.
You're allowed to ask once for peeling the panties- after that it's a different issue.
The judge picking apart her sexual harassment claim... Even though her employer has remarked about her weight gain and sent inappropriate pictures. Im sure the judge will not rule in her favor for the entire amount.
Edit: wow she didn't get a dime. Interesting
not taking his side but he didn't send the picture another person did.
@J J But why do I feel like he was also the person sending them. That person clearly knew there wouldn’t be any repercussions for sending that stuff to a business email... cause who does that. And why would he defend the person sending them. Yeah he definitely was harassing her...
@@imartinist you may be right
The judge is an idiot
@@Channel-JJ yes another person sent it but that's still his fault because he was using her computer which I think he did that on purpose if defendant was using his on computer she would have never seen it
Victim shaming! The judge seriously asked why the plaintiff didn’t tell him to pick it up the piece of paper? Perhaps because it was her boss and she did not want to get fired? 🤷🏾♀️ Then the judge question the plaintiff as to why she waited so long to file a claim of sexual harassment? Perhaps because she needed her income and had a fractured hand that may have prevented her from working anywhere else?🤷🏾♀️ This case was an EXCELLENT example of how not to treat a victim of sexual harassment. Makes me even sicker that the judge is a female.
I agree 💯percent just so disappointing for the questioning her like that .... computer pictures was good enough to prove the case. Smh😏
In this case Judge Judy would have been a better choice.
@Filmer. Judy would have been the same as Milian.
@@FilmerOfBobcats jj does not play the feminism card. Unless he was cornering her in the room and telling her how sexy she looked and blowing her kisses jj would have done the same as jm. By the looks of it most of you women define almost any interaction with a man you dont like as sexual harassment.
The judge has 3 daughters too. What the hel was the judge thinking, she was wrong not giving her compensation for being treated like that. This was a terrible out come in every way. The defendant got away with it
The fact that he started his defense by fat shaming her tells me all i needed to know about this disgusting defendant!
Fat shame lol
Exactly!!
Horrible and unnecessary.
You can hear the entitlement in judges response’s. How many ppl work jobs that they are miserable in. Not everyone can up and leave when they want.
Exactly!
No doubt I hate my job but I keep doing it because the bills need to be paid.
She also glossed over the hostile work environment. He can't be pointing his finger in her face.
I know right, my cat once worked in the testing section of a water hose manufacturer. Worst 3 hours of her life.
That's what I was thinking. How lucky the judge is, that she never had to put up with a horrible work environment in order to make ends meet.
Some of us don't have the luxury.
Wow! The ending with his daughter, he raised a "winner." Sad, that he's raised/trained a daughter to think sexual harassment is okay. And he has a grand daughter...coming up behind this mess.
Aww she should have at least won (even if not financially compensated) the case for the sexual harassment alone! I feel so bad for her.
I think she should have been awarded a small fee for having to work in a hostile work environment. The judge could have said, this isn't 'sexual harassment', but it's just not right to treat an employee like this.
Sounds like a baby crying when she doesn’t get what she wants, this is why men make more money then women
That’s not how the law works. I agree with the judge. While the defendant comes off as a creep, nothing brought forth rises to an actionable legal judgment level.
The defendant knew exactly what he was doing. He would have deleted them after reviewing his emails. He was up to something that's for sure.
He’s a crook and a perv. 😬
no he wasnt up to anything . the guy simply grew up in a totally different era where stuff like that in the workplace was common and she did too as a matter of fact because she is not young either . she appears to have been a young woman in the 1970s where sexual harassment was a typical day at the office and nobody made a big deal about it like all the woke social justice warriors do today and our whole society is breaking down with a young generation that does not even know what gender they are for f**k sake .
@@marleonetti7 I grew up that long ago too. He,s a grown ass man and knows the difference between right and wrong in the workplace. She needed her job to keep money flowing. Yes she should have quit but I've been in that situation and worked till I couldn't stand it anymore at that job. Don't give excuses for bad actions. He wasn't born a caveman. He knew better.
@@patim5953 u say he knew better but again , in his generation they did not think that type occasional humor in the workplace was a immoral thing. today it has become like that for purely political and financial reasons where politicians ran campaigns on that to get female votes and lawyers needed money for lawsuits so they came up with sexual harassment lawsuits and it was about money not morals.
I hate the way he stood there and smirked. He was a jerk. Worse than a jerk - outrageous.
She absolutely was harassed. He needs to be reported.
LOL...just the intro alone...he said he know she enjoyed working there because she gained weight...WHO SAYS THAT
gotta love Curt !
A chovanist pig... lol
An A-hole?
More likely it was stressful if she gained weight...
a disgusting sicko thats who
ONLY on the People's Court!!! Lol
Wow I can't believe the Judge let him get away with this! She has no idea what a person who doesn't know the law can through in these types of situations
wrong court for civil suit.
He wasn’t there for the harassment. The case was about her commission. She did cuss him out about commenting on the lady’s body but she couldn’t penalize him because that’s not what the suit is about. Logic over emotions.
If he feels comfortable to comment on someone’s rear-end and admit to that in court, imagine what he said and how he acted in the office?? I 100% believe the plaintiff. That’s a hostile environment, period! And there’s a lot of people who work in environments that they can’t immediately get out of. Ugh 😑 the entitlement.
The senior guy did sexually harass the employee..he would have been fired on the emails alone..only issue is most federal and state statutes apply to companies with more than 50 or so employees..but she was sexually harassed..toxic work environment..she needed an attorney
For sure!
He didn't send thr email.
If you think someone can ne fired for an email that is sent TO them, you are a moron.
I think she proved sexual harassment. Even the judge felt it was inappropriate and it was persistent. Lots of people say why didn't you do this but the fact is that he knew she was in desperate straights and couldn't easily find another source of income and used it too...I don't want to say coerce her into something but how else can you look at.
She didn’t
*straits
Narrator: "The plaintiff is accusing the defendant of sexual harrassment"
Me: Oh that's interesting. I wonder how that's gonna play o-
Narrator: "The defendant says he didn't because she gained 25 pounds."
...
He did it.
This plaintiff was very clearly sexually harassed and the defendant even admitted to actions that would be a legally hostile environment. This was an incredibly bad judgement. Judge Milian seems to almost always call these incorrectly but I know she probably has little to no experience in employment law. It was pervasive harassment.
Just point to where he hurt your feelings on this little stick figure
The problem is that this is civil court for sexual harassment you have to go to criminal court. So the best thing she can do is keep it for record.
Sexual harassment cases have a tricky process. First, you have to tell the offending person their behavior is creating a toxic workplace. She kind of did that with the emails from his friend, but they weren't sent directly to her from her boss. The other incidents she never said anything about. Also, you have to submit a sexual harassment claim to a government agency like the EEOC. They will conduct an investigation and if they find a legitimate claim, they issue a notice to the victim that allows them to sue for sexual harassment. That didn't happen here, and doesn't happen in most cases. This is one of those cases that feels clean-cut but the law lags behind common sense.
Did you all forget the greatest amendment ever freedom of speech that's all it is and we all have it in this great American.
@@alicia113006 that's not even close to the greatest amendment! 🙄
Nah, he's full of it. How do you just so happen to have pictures of her while "testing" out your new iPad and she has no knowledge of the pictures? Creepy ass.
Totally!
Oh, I feel so bad for the plaintiff. I'm sure it was tough for her to quit her job, but I wish she had walked away from that horrible Jerk and job much, much earlier.
What she needed was belief in herself, and someone to tell her to believe in herself. She was afraid that no one would hire her because of her hand injury so she just sucked it up week after week for a paycheck. I'm sure she would've been able to get another job if she had left.
I had to re-listen to the intro 3 times cause I couldn't believe he ACTUALLY said that about gaining weight...who says that??? I can't wait to hear this ... 🤣🤣🤣
He's smiling while she's talking about sexual harassment. Clearly she's telling the truth.
Why bring your daughter to a case like this that alone shows his character
He brought his daughter because he knew she was going down the sexual harassment road, so wanted someone beside him to try and make him look less of a creep.
It failed miserably.
@@b8nnytez true
“Grievous or persistent,”. It was both! It absolutely was sexual harrasment. She was in a position where she could not afford to make money, and he consistently verbally and physically violated her boundaries.
This is much bigger than small claims court and I hope she can take this somewhere else.
Milian chastised the defendant for victim blaming, but she did the same thing by saying the plaintiff stayed so she couldn't have been that miserable. It's obvious that the defendant is a creep who took advantage of a person who needed the money, and had no other good options. The plaintiff got harrassed and ripped off by her boss, for the same reason she was railroaded by Milian; she's not very good at sticking up for herself.
She wasn’t “railroaded”. JM is a judge and she’s pointing out something completely obvious. How do you take sexual harassment for 2 years? I mean, she couldn’t find another job? I would haul a$$ and find another job immediately to avoid that abuse. It’s not victim blaming, it’s pointing out the lack of care and responsibility that we owe ourselves, that she did not give herself. That a lot of us don’t seem to give ourselves, especially as women. I agree she doesn’t seem like she can defend herself. That guy and his daughter are scum. And people like them are a dime a dozen. But how do we protect ourselves if we can’t even fight for ourselves first?
@@ChasRiaStJohn The huge mistake that you and Milian are making is assuming that everybody behaves as you would. Just like how staying in an abusive relationship doesn't mean a woman is happy with her marriage, people accept workplace harassment and abuse for a number of reasons related to desperation, financial hardships, and a poor sense of self-worth. But the abuser or harasser - who has purposely preyed on a vulnerable person - shouldn't get to benefit off of those circumstances.
This woman entered that job believing she didn't have a lot of options because she had been out of the work force for too long, she invested a lot of time and money into the position making it harder to walk away from, she had a severe injury while she was there that required several surgeries and physio (all of which is expensive), and an illness that needed to be managed with medication (another expense), and being berated and denigrated by her boss on a regular basis likely chipped away at her already not so great self esteem. So it's kind of irrelevant what the average person would do, if the plaintiff had a mindset and circumstances that were worse than that of the average person.
@@AishaBrownIsMe well said
She needs some assertiveness training. Her voice is very soft and tentative. She needs to stand up straight, look you in the eye, and make firm declarative statements. T hat doesn't in any way excuse the creep. He deserved to have his butt kicked. But she will remain a target for bullying behavior unless she learns to assert herself firmly and directly. I was grabbed by the breast in the company parking lot by a pervert from another country who was working with us. I decked him - knocked him down, broke his nose - in one hard punch. He never bothered any of us women again.
@@ChasRiaStJohn JM is a clown judge !! Don’t know what type of law school she went to. Clearly one that tells you to show emotions.
He’s LITERALLY the reason (type of guy) why harassment policies are implemented in corporations across the US. He’s the reason we have mandatory trainings to attend every year.
He's the reason I spent 4 hours today at work "learning" a concept I already knew in kindergarten:
1. Keep your hands to yourself.
2. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
Defendant was right about one thing. That he can't change who he is for anyone not even for court. He is who he is.
Look at him smile the whole time about it.
Yep. Yucko
A true narcissist
He look like a pervert
Judge was wrong wrong wrong on this one!! If anything she should have gotten something for harassment. This old man was a CREEP!!!!
I work in a restaurant and must say that I have so many older men that believe this is ok. They constantly harass waitresses everywhere they go and think it's cute or funny. Just disgusting that they believe because they are past a certain age that they can act inappropriate.
She should have sued him for falling in front of his establishment and contacted her Human Rights Commission to report the harassment.
Lol did the defendant say she came in late "9 out of 10 days a week" in his exit interview? May be time to retire there, my friend! 😂
This is probably the first time judge Milian IMHO was totally wrong. This lady had some guts coming in front of a room full of strangers opening up about a very sensitive and personal issue. I think the defendant was nothing but a dirty old man and I'm shocked the judge didn't see that! This one dropped my opinion of the judge down a notch to be sure. Sorry judge but you ef'd this one up.
Everything but the pictures was he said / she said. Statements made in testimony do not equal proof. The guy is a creep, but like others have said, you need to get outside agencies or documented evidence for a judge to rule in your favor
That was absolutely sexual harassment! I’m disappointed in this ruling….
Wow he said twice in his answer to the female judge that he watched her ass grow & she didnt think to hold him accountable for sexual harassment? Disgusting
This case right here is why a lot of women and men get sexual harassed and keep it to themselves and suffer in silence. Guess you have to wait until the person have you pinned down and screaming for someone to believe you. It's a sad world.
had the same thing happened to me smh
This case is more reason to open your mouth and say something. Not show up for work for two years then try to prove it. Self advocacy is key. Dont tolerate bs. I’ll never understand allowing someone to make you uncomfortable. Even when my job was on the line I made it clear I will not tolerate disrespect
Can't believe JM didn't at least award the plaintiff sexual harassment! Everything about the defendant screams CREEP & he admitted to having pictures of her on his iPad! Like what more evidence do you need?!
This case was so sad, I feel so much sorry for her. At my place of employment this is grounds for dismissal, unacceptable behavior. Judge Milian was so wrong. This wasn't only sexual harassment but also hostile work environment.
JM was wack for this verdict. Clearly, this guy was a self entitled jerk. That harassed this lady. Sad. Smh.
I'm SO disappointed in JM for this judgement. It was VERY clear that this man sexually harassed the plaintiff. So baffled by this one... 😒
I work in HR and this case is definitely sexual harassment. Just the emails alone qualify as a sexual harassment/hostile work environment case. Everything else was additional layers. The plaintiff didn't get into the details of each incident and was timid about saying on national TV, but she definitely has a case and I'm surprised at the judge.
There was no sexual harassment at all! I'm so sick of people saying literally everything is sexual harassment! How do people think they get a date!? How did their parents get together? How did you find your partner? Compliments, being friendly, looking at someone! Is ALL Normal human behavior!!! Anyone who says otherwise is insane. If he was grouping her then thats way over the line but holy crap this world is so backwards
@@lohman15 According to the definition for sexual harassment that is used for most workplace policies, yes it is. I understand what you mean about us living in a super sensitive society, but it is what it is. Everyone's tolerance levels are different.
@@lohman15if someone is making unwanted passes at someone it’s sexual harassment honey
Wow, you are the third fellow HR professional I have seen in these comments. I've disagreed with the judge on many occasions, but this case resonates with me more strongly than others because as an HR professional I probably have more knowledge of employment law than she does as that is not her area of expertise. All of us who work in HR probably have more understanding than she does.
@@lohman15 you do not have to touch someone to sexually harass them. it is not limited to just groping. that’s a delusional statement.
This judge FAILED miserably on this ruling and she should be ashamed of herself!!!!!!!!!!!
Geez. What more does the woman have to do to prove sexual harassment?
It’s very entitled to think people can just up and leave their jobs.
Yes! It's not always that simple. I was stuck at a job I couldn't afford to quit for a year and a half. I was miserable and killing myself over it, but I didn't have a choice.
...You can tell that he's used to dominating and intimidating her by of the way that he kept 'staring her down.' You could tell that he was trying to give her the same 'mean, unapproving look' that he used to control her when she was his employee.
I am so disappointed in Judge for not punishing the defendant for sexual harassment. I understand this was ten years ago, but JM owes this woman an apology.
I wish she went to judge Mathis, he wouldn’t stand for it.
I think she should’ve gotten something, I think she had enough evidence to at least get sexual harassment compensation in whatever amount the judge deemed, but at least sommmmethiinnngggg
I agree. She seemed genuinely traumatized by the experience, and the defendant didn't deny a thing, and actually seemed to be getting off on hearing about it again. He was like if a character from Mad Men was alive today.
Sad that the judge, being a woman herself, had no real empathy for this lady having to work under that creep. How easy for the judge to sit and shout "why did you keep working there" - something to that effect. As if jobs grow on trees!!
She mostly blames and shames victims, not the shameful lecherous perpetrators.
@@sudhakhristmukti1930 she's trying to seem tough in a male dominated profession. JM really disgusted me today
Judge should have punished the creepy perp for his despicable behaviour, & compensated at least 1000 dollars to the lady. THEN the creeps would think twice about commenting on rear ends etc. and stop sending foul jokes and pics on a lady's computer. He was misusing his power and taking advantage of her having to work even after 4 surgeries. She did not use her power for another hurting woman.
@@mel...s Absolutely I agree. And many times I watch her attack the kind folk and don't let them even finish their sentences. Why does she ask questions at all if she is not going to listen? !!
If someone gets duped she blows the smithereens out of their already suffering selves, & says nothing to cheating perps.
This is sexual harassment plain and simple! Judge needs to take some corporate sexual harassment training.
I used to be a fan of this judge. I only watch to be knowledgeable. She is trying to replace Judge Judy’s success and personality. She has become partial, rude, loud, unsympathetic and even more rich. As a survivor, this is why so many people who are harassed in any form DON’T speak up. To any person who doesn’t want to now, send me a message. I will support you.❤
Unfortunately, my father acts the same way as the defendant. My father makes raunchy jokes, and has pictures on his computer of naked women. It's uncomfortable, and I hate having to tell him to stop, because he usually gets upset.
i TRY! my best to take advice/criticism from Family/Friends BECAUSE a stranger may not be as thoughtful with their reply, may be Your father will get a rude "heads up" when he gets a response from someone who doesn't care about his feelings.
Oh gawd, how awful. He may get defensive and upset, but you are right to call him out because it's in everyone's best interest!
how do you know what's on his computer?
@@Channel-JJ Because she probably was being nosey or he probably showed her
@@lashundavis156 Yea, I was just curious if it was a work environment thing like the case. Now I don't know why I was ever curious in the first place 😊
Good afternoon everyone!!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 She was happy while she worked there, because she gained 25 lbs. This old geezer has some nerve!! 😂😂😂
The judge should read up more on sexual harassment.
There was sufficient amount of sexual harassment evidence
The plaintiff should have took him to Judge Mathis… she would have been compensated for the sexual harassment at least. I pray she is doing well
Bad, nasty old man!!! Glad they said the name of the insurance company. Won't be going there!
I feel she selected the wrong show to go to, she should have gone to JJ she will put him in his right place. I don’t understand JM asking for specific situations where defendant’s demeanor was vulgar and his smirk makes me feel uncomfortable and I am just watching this smh.
Would love to see how JJ would have handled it. I think she would at least wiped that smirk off his creepy face!
She is a terrible Judge she clearly does not understand sexual harassment and hostile work environment policies and procedures. This lady should have filed a claim with EEOC
Anyone else super surprised she didn't get SOMETHING for the sexual harassment? He wrote inappropriate comments IN HIS WRITTEN TESTIMONY for court! 🤦🏻♀️ God only knows what he said in a small office!
This is ALL typical sexual harassment and for the judge not to give her a penny?!
She should have gotten some kind of compensation, she was agreeing the whole time that this man was a creep. I'm not sure what happened here
I think it was tough to prove sexual harassment, but she should have been awarded at minimum the 2 weeks as there was a lot of proof for hostile working environment. Probably should have given her something for punitive damages as well.
How, how did she not find him guilty of sexual harassment? His answers literally prove his guilt, and she ruled against her?
He is the 9 to 5 boss Mr. Hart! I totally believe he didn’t give her commissions because she didn’t put out lol. He does not respect woman. Ten bucks says he has never had a male assistant lol.
Or one he'd give commission
I don’t understand how she couldn’t tell he was a sexist & probably did sexual harass her, his answer to the complaint he talked about her weight. What does weight have to do with the case & if she was happy or not? SMH
Maybe it’s time for Judge Milian to retire. She’s becoming very hostile 😅
Facts
Why nothing for sexual harassment?
Really amazed that this judge is essentially rolling her eyes at this woman's claims. This is so sad. I have been treated similarly at work when I was a teenager/young adult and it's heartbreaking to see her treated like she is crazy or delusional.
The judge clearly forgot what it’s like being a normal employee. This happens far too often. And there are employers that go on power trips to make themselves feel better. If I told my boss to pick something up they would look at me crazy.
I'm convinced that she was harassed. On the other hand, I also feel that she was over paid. Therefore the judge's verdict was fair.
I'm disappointed the judge didn't award anything for the sexual harassment. It's not the daughter's job to check her dad. The judge is the authority figure in a position to enact change.
He made a dig about her weight and thinks he doesn't harrass women? Guilty, and the case hasn't even begun yet.
I hope she can present her case to EEOC...The defendant is one creepy old man...
I think the plaintiff was in an abusive relationship with her ex which set her up for the harassment by the defendant. He knew exactly what he was doing and had no remorse for what he did or said until JM rammed him for his answer to the complaint.
It DEFINITELY rised to the legal standard of sexual harassment!!!
Yes, it is sexual harassment. You are 💯 correct. They have you watch videos and tell you unwanted contact is sexual harassment. Yet nothing happens. 🙄🙄🙄
Judge should understand that all women aren't as strong to speak out as she or I and that when you are alone in a low traffic office with a man it can be intimidating even if he is a tiny douche bag
He definitely sexually harassed her. And it sounds like he was a jerk in other ways too, as a boss. I can’t believe that he got away with laughing and smiling when accused of harassment and evidence being shown. Anyone who would react that way when facing a judge does not care about offending his employee or creeping her out. The fact that he brought his daughter to court with him when he knew he was being accused of sexual harassment shows just how little he cares about anyone else’s feelings. He has no shame and doesn’t even understand that he should be embarrassed.
I hope the plaintiff reports the sexual harassment to whichever department in her state handles that. I think she could win in a lawsuit that just focuses on that. She needs to get some help with representing herself though. She is timid and doesn’t describe things very well. She needs to look for an organization that helps people with sexual harassment complaints. Even if she doesn’t win her case or if the statute of limitations has passed at least his actions would be on the record. It could possibly help a future victim of his.
There is no reason for a boss to ever comment on an employees clothing. As long as it is appropriate, there is nothing more to be said about it.
That stupid, I’ve told co workers I like there shirt, shoes, pants all the time. Regardless of sex. Not everyone is a creep. That’s nonsense
@@dontcare696 I agree. That woman probably liked the attention. She knew he wasn't a threat to her as he is too old to even get it up.
@@travis8665 no what he did was creepy
I always say judge milian was definitely too privileged to deal with these kinds of cases
If you are being harassed at work there are hidden cameras you can buy on eBay that you can purchase to help prove your case.
It's illegal to install hidden cameras in a work place.
You can tell the plantiff is uncomfortable. Any unwanted touch, being photographed without knowledge, any salty remarks, inappropriate joking, can be construed as harassment. This is absolutely a harassment case!
She went to the wrong judge. This is so cheap and doesn’t give anything
So, in one sentence, he said he issued her a check every Friday. However, two minutes later, he said it was direct deposited. Also, the things he did, and said to her totally qualify as sexual harassment.
I don’t get how the judge calls him creepy and gross, knows he’s creepy and gross but doesn’t rule for her on the harassment
Because justice is unbiased if your creepy it doesnt justify wronging you if nothin is owed to other person
@@doeboydroid the pictures and remarks about her weight saying “I watched your rear end grow” is more than enough for a sexual harassment claim
@@Pippiko did you not hear the judgment? It was a no go so I think your wrong or next your gonna tell me your a judge
@@Pippiko I never said this guy was a saint,he def might be an old head with a sexual sense of humor but honestly some of y'all act like y'all don't have dark humor around your friends and such it's only when y'all want to make a statement y'all against us
There was no harassment. I agree he shouldn't have had those emails on her computer but he must have thought it was a joke. No damage.
What a scumbag. I hope his cleints fire him, And I hope he is embarassed in front of his family and friends for his actions.
(not a lawyer) I’m a minute in and i say GUILTY!
Should of gave her money for true sexual harassment! He even said he was harassing her! Now he will think his actions are justified and will continue doing it to other female workers!
He proved sexual harrass ment for her in his answer
That was sexual harassment, and be proved it in his own answer! She was absolutely entitled to that. He was hostile and ignorant towards her on top of being inappropriate in a sexual manner. He should be paying! I disagree with this ruling
This is like if Michael Scott and Pam Beesly were the only two coworkers at Dunder Mifflin 😂
The Michael Scott paper company lol
She should have won her sexual harassment part of the case… He definitely a creep and crossed several lines…Not everyone is in a predicament to stop working
Soon as I heard that I thought “yea whatever she said he did, he did that sh*t”
Taking the pics of her secretly crosses the line. I find people at work can get too friendly. That's where work husband or work wife came from.
Correct verdict...Both leave with nothing.
DAMN JM LET HER ANSWER THE QUESTION STOP CUTTING HER OFF SHE DOES THIS ALL THE TIME ITS SO RUDE
wow. bad ruling
What a jerk, he should know better. Sexual harassment is NEVER Ok. Give her some money for the sexual harassment, I’ve been in this situation, some 40 years ago. It is awful. I was only 17, so I was young and did nothing. Pay the lady!!!!
The guys is obviously a huge creep and the outdoor audience as well as the defendants daughter are all example of why woman do not say anything about being sexually harassed
Defendant is sick and disgusting.