i know it's repetitive but it never ceases to amaze me how much activity is going on at any one time, and how they always seem to have the right kit in the right place, hats off to the staff who make all this happen.
Great photography from Jack, Mary and Sean. Mary has great close-ups, Sean is so artistic. Jack is a reliable, dependable professional photographer. Keep it up. And the scripted podcasts are top-notch. I'll pass on the livestreams, but that's my personal take. Thank you all for the content.
I expect on the next tower, the BQD will be part of the tower and not the OLM, and retract well out of the way prior to launch, otherwise repairs after each launch will slow down the expected reusability rate. One thing about SpaceX, they learn and improve everything with each launch. Great video NSF.
Personally i think it will be a similar setup. I really dont think during normal operations they will be doing the pad avoidance maneuver which is why the BQD gets blasted like that. Thats not a normal thing for launches and is done because they arent confident enough that the rocket wont turn off and fall straight down onto the pad right after launch. I think it might be time on flight 4 for them to start going straight up and spare that QD for such punishment now that they have shown they can get all engines working properly. If not on flight 4 then i expect it soon.
They are replacing the BQD hoses again because they have to make them flex fast when they are super cold. Super cold and flexible materials don’t exist. They would need to make a series of right angle parallelogram joints in rigid tubing to have a chance of re-usability, and even that would be an expensive long-shot, but better than this.
Yep! I have never known anything like it, in all my years! Just how fast things are moving. Even, NASA cannot comprehend. They are so way behind. And they know it🙂🙃
Those lifts (buckets) are used for wind turbines and the like. These here reach 90m, but I know of those that reach 115m too. They are made by engineers that are experts at this kind of thing. You really need to do something very intentionally stupid to have any accident happen. I think working with scaffolding is much scarier.
Pulling apart the ( relatively ) old boosters and ships, I wonder if during scrapping they just look at them and shake their heads "We actually thought this was good design at one point?!"...I mean, considering all the changes they've made since 4 was built that sucker is a dinosaur
Yeah they have been doing a pad clearance maneuver on take off for all three launches since they dont trust it not to fall straight back onto the pad yet. This makes it blast that side of the OLM directly. So its been damage from all three launches building up there. With two perfect lights of all 33 and engines running full duration on the second and third flights, i think it might be time to start going straight up and sparing the poor OLM and BQD..
@@Vatsyayana87 I am not sure they don't have to do that every time for other reasons. They might blast the BQD a bit less if they are vertical, but not by much. The plume widens a lot on take off so the BQD would still be roasted. It needs better insulation and maybe a bit of LN2 sprayed inside and maybe water on top. It becomes an oven (from ~ -200°C), which does the hoses no favors. The sound vibrations must rattle just about everything inside it too.
Can you think of another reason to do it? I cant really. Its inefficient and damaging to lean over immediately after liftoff. Would be kind of foolish to design a system like that. Also the plume doesnt widen a a lot, Its pretty much the same width as the rocket all the way through the plume, sure a meter or two of soft stuff on either side but the energetic high velocity stuff is very well maintained even when its higher and twice as long as the rocket. Yeah the vibration is pretty extreme on its own for sure but nothing compares to a direct blast of the booster pointing straight at it right after lift off. Flight 1 showed whats that is like pretty comprehensively.@@knowledgeisgood9645
I hope they are going to design the new launch tower where it is more resistant to damage from the launches. Seems like it needs to be farther away from the launch mount, but that would create some different problems. They are smart people and will figure it out.
The launch tower won't be farther away because the chop sticks need to be able to reach the OLM when transferring vehicles to and from it. In fact in a new iteration of the chop sticks planned for the 39 A pad the chop sticks were much shorter. Whether that design is used here remains to be seen. Personally the idea of the booster being caught closer to the tower seems . . . .dangerous! Either way we won't know for a while.
9:07 Despite the very strong winds blowing from the ocean shore, the S 20 did not move despite having its flaps open! 18:44 Where did the front reflectors go?
No space agency progresses as fast as SpaceX does. They're not afraid of making mistakes because they learn from them and then improve what they do. I is sad to see Booster 4 getting demolished but that is the how progress works. Too bad they couldnt keep it for posterity.
People have a very short attention span nowadays... I think there are too many other distractions. Thank Heaven there are still some single-minded adventurous types left to do these small things like: take us to Mars. We Love you, SpaceX, from Great Britain.
It's a shame that they are scrapping Booster 4. Maybe they could have donated it to an aerospace museum in the US. I wonder if they are going to add an extra tower section to OLM-2 when they build it. Maybe double up on a section around say sections four or five four or five. This would allow for any projected increase in Booster and / or ship height.
always shocks me that they don't have a better solution for this stuff but then I realize that a: this is the most powerful rocket ever b: the OLM is in test phase too
About 4 are built, in different stages of finished of course. The time changes quite a lot due to so many things from upgrades to back logs to work being done on the site and such to give a real time frame. Once the factory is running and they decide on how they want it be done it will be a little more predictable. But i feel like it only took about a month to make one of the early ships when they were doing high alt test flights. Things are always changing everywhere here but you can say this, much faster then any other rocket that comes anywhere close to the lift class or even a class or two below.
Thats kind of what i was alluding to. They are proper rapid when they focus one down none stop but so many things around the vehicles force them to take several breaks in the process.@@knowledgeisgood9645
Is there any news on whether Flight 3 lost attitude control in space? And therefore with the next ship rolled out already, will that potentially have the same system on board?
Yes it did, from what i recall that is both why the vehicle refused to attempt lighting the engine for a "deorbit" burn and obviously why it re entered in an uncontrolled fashion. Out of the types of isses that come up in these flights they were probably like "easy fix, what else went wrong?" Its just that an "easy fix" problem in this game can still have 100% the consequence.
they angle the lift off to avoid the tower, but if they angled the lift off toward the tower they would burn less kit surely? as long as they are physically clear the flames would just be aimed at concrete and not the chopsticks?
Well they angle away from the tower exactly for that reason lol. They do not want to spend another year or two replacing it because they trusted the vehicle during the first few flights. Since both flight 2 and 3 were the first and second time they have ever gotten all 33 engines to light and stay lit, i think it is time to start going straight up as it should be and spare the OLM/QD.. Fingers crossed flight 4 is that time.
@@Vatsyayana87 good thinking. i don't know how (!) but the OLM really could be a less labour intensive design, if they want to throw two ships a day every day they can't spend weeks cleaning up.
Why gimbal the rocket so hard at lift-off? Saturn 5 did gimbal away from the tower but Starship should liftoff straight up, it clears the tower faster than Saturn 5 anyway… no problemo.
i know it's repetitive but it never ceases to amaze me how much activity is going on at any one time, and how they always seem to have the right kit in the right place, hats off to the staff who make all this happen.
So cool to watch boosters and ships roll past “Gateway To Mars” sign. Fitting somehow!!!!
Turn around time will only get better from here, cant wait for flight 4!!!
I always find these updates very relaxing to watch. Anyone else?
same a good cup of horlicks shortbread biscuits and these updates is heaven for a space nerd like me
Thanks Mary 🌷 , Jack and Sean. I really appreciate the close ups.
Can’t wait for flight 4!
same
Rest in pieces booster 4, 2021-2024, you will be missed😢
rest in pieces booster 4 we hardly knew ye
Another GREAT sequence (13:56 -15:30) showing us just how big these SHBs really are. Brilliant shot NSF, maximal kudos!!
Great footage Mary, Jack, Sean, and NSF, Thank you so much!!
The amount of work happening there is staggering! Amazing they are even able to find that many workers.
We were onsite before #3 last week, and it is amazing the pace they are working at..
Great photography from Jack, Mary and Sean.
Mary has great close-ups, Sean is so artistic. Jack is a reliable, dependable professional photographer. Keep it up. And the scripted podcasts are top-notch. I'll pass on the livestreams, but that's my personal take.
Thank you all for the content.
Love the up-close footage! Thank you!
Its interesting how rudimentary and heavy industrial all the infrastructure is for what is a high-tech endeavor.
I WOULD APPOSULUTLY LOVE WORKING ON THESE HEIGHTS LIKE THE LAUNCH TOWER
NSF: Comment if this is a job you'd do
Me: Not a snowball's chance in Hades
*Raises hand*. Yes, please. Elevator keys ftw. Far as I know, no one has ever BASE jumped the OLIT, and that's just a dang shame.
wow!
I expect on the next tower, the BQD will be part of the tower and not the OLM, and retract well out of the way prior to launch, otherwise repairs after each launch will slow down the expected reusability rate. One thing about SpaceX, they learn and improve everything with each launch. Great video NSF.
Personally i think it will be a similar setup. I really dont think during normal operations they will be doing the pad avoidance maneuver which is why the BQD gets blasted like that.
Thats not a normal thing for launches and is done because they arent confident enough that the rocket wont turn off and fall straight down onto the pad right after launch.
I think it might be time on flight 4 for them to start going straight up and spare that QD for such punishment now that they have shown they can get all engines working properly. If not on flight 4 then i expect it soon.
They are replacing the BQD hoses again because they have to make them flex fast when they are super cold. Super cold and flexible materials don’t exist. They would need to make a series of right angle parallelogram joints in rigid tubing to have a chance of re-usability, and even that would be an expensive long-shot, but better than this.
Flight 4 soon🔥
Yep! I have never known anything like it, in all my years! Just how fast things are moving. Even, NASA cannot comprehend. They are so way behind. And they know it🙂🙃
@@flips300021 if you were to show the starship program to nasa during the shuttle era they wouldn’t believe you
And its not their fault..@@flips300021
Anyone else realize that SpaceX is literally creating a small city in the timespan of months? It is amazing to see this development happen so rapidly.
space x has A LOT of work to do to make its stage 0 rapidly reusable. Keep up the great work! They will get it figured out.
I would love to see a video from inside the launch table during liftoff
There's no way I'd go up in one of those ultra tall buckets...No way
Those lifts (buckets) are used for wind turbines and the like. These here reach 90m, but I know of those that reach 115m too. They are made by engineers that are experts at this kind of thing. You really need to do something very intentionally stupid to have any accident happen.
I think working with scaffolding is much scarier.
@@knowledgeisgood9645 It would scare the bejeebies out of me no matter how many 4 year sheepskin wonders engineered it!
Oh you mean the sky lifts lol, my apologies and 100% agree. I would shake too much to operate.
Pulling apart the ( relatively ) old boosters and ships, I wonder if during scrapping they just look at them and shake their heads "We actually thought this was good design at one point?!"...I mean, considering all the changes they've made since 4 was built that sucker is a dinosaur
for all the britsh guys, when u saw booster 4 rollout and saw the scaffold boards platform round it, did u also think about fred dibnah
was imagining Fred hammering dogs straight into the booster to tie his ladders to it.
"Did ya liiike that?"
Incredible noise level 😮
Looks like the OLM and BQD took a hit this time…😢
Thanks for the great views Mary and Sean!!!!!
Yeah they have been doing a pad clearance maneuver on take off for all three launches since they dont trust it not to fall straight back onto the pad yet. This makes it blast that side of the OLM directly. So its been damage from all three launches building up there.
With two perfect lights of all 33 and engines running full duration on the second and third flights, i think it might be time to start going straight up and sparing the poor OLM and BQD..
@@Vatsyayana87 I am not sure they don't have to do that every time for other reasons. They might blast the BQD a bit less if they are vertical, but not by much. The plume widens a lot on take off so the BQD would still be roasted. It needs better insulation and maybe a bit of LN2 sprayed inside and maybe water on top. It becomes an oven (from ~ -200°C), which does the hoses no favors. The sound vibrations must rattle just about everything inside it too.
Can you think of another reason to do it? I cant really. Its inefficient and damaging to lean over immediately after liftoff. Would be kind of foolish to design a system like that.
Also the plume doesnt widen a a lot, Its pretty much the same width as the rocket all the way through the plume, sure a meter or two of soft stuff on either side but the energetic high velocity stuff is very well maintained even when its higher and twice as long as the rocket.
Yeah the vibration is pretty extreme on its own for sure but nothing compares to a direct blast of the booster pointing straight at it right after lift off. Flight 1 showed whats that is like pretty comprehensively.@@knowledgeisgood9645
Stunning video you guys!
Imagine when there is a shed full of these consumable parts ready to bolt up after every launch..
I hope they are going to design the new launch tower where it is more resistant to damage from the launches. Seems like it needs to be farther away from the launch mount, but that would create some different problems. They are smart people and will figure it out.
The launch tower won't be farther away because the chop sticks need to be able to reach the OLM when transferring vehicles to and from it.
In fact in a new iteration of the chop sticks planned for the 39 A pad the chop sticks were much shorter. Whether that design is used here remains to be seen. Personally the idea of the booster being caught closer to the tower seems . . . .dangerous! Either way we won't know for a while.
9:07 Despite the very strong winds blowing from the ocean shore, the S 20 did not move despite having its flaps open! 18:44 Where did the front reflectors go?
No space agency progresses as fast as SpaceX does. They're not afraid of making mistakes because they learn from them and then improve what they do. I is sad to see Booster 4 getting demolished but that is the how progress works. Too bad they couldnt keep it for posterity.
Calling it now 4-20 for next launch!😂
I agree and said it as ift3 was still in the air
The long kiss goodnight for booster 4.
Beautiful tilling features on the front edge of the forward fins of Ship 31! Awesome! Like a lizard skin.
estupendo y extenso reportaje
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People have a very short attention span nowadays... I think there are too many other distractions. Thank Heaven there are still some single-minded adventurous types left to do these small things like: take us to Mars. We Love you, SpaceX, from Great Britain.
Thx
It's a shame that they are scrapping Booster 4. Maybe they could have donated it to an aerospace museum in the US.
I wonder if they are going to add an extra tower section to OLM-2 when they build it. Maybe double up on a section around say sections four or five four or five. This would allow for any projected increase in Booster and / or ship height.
33 Raptors are a hard thing to contain huh lol!
Especially when you point them directly at the QD on purpose. This wont be a thing soon, i think on the next launch personally but we will see.
always shocks me that they don't have a better solution for this stuff but then I realize that
a: this is the most powerful rocket ever
b: the OLM is in test phase too
That OLM realignment pin reinstallation at the end looked like a mess.
It would not surprise me if the brackets on the pad got a bit out of shape and no longer fit the realignment mechanism.
These things always explode!
BQD has incurred damages after every launch so far. Maybe it requires a redesign.
When is it flying I was to go see in person
Nothing like sending a $50M booster to the scrap yard!
Good morning guys...😎😎😎
Thank you for the content.
Stay with the name Pad B? I doubt we will ever see launches from it.
How many are built and waiting? How long does it take to build?
About 4 are built, in different stages of finished of course.
The time changes quite a lot due to so many things from upgrades to back logs to work being done on the site and such to give a real time frame. Once the factory is running and they decide on how they want it be done it will be a little more predictable.
But i feel like it only took about a month to make one of the early ships when they were doing high alt test flights.
Things are always changing everywhere here but you can say this, much faster then any other rocket that comes anywhere close to the lift class or even a class or two below.
They don't work on a ship/booster 24/7. Many times they just sit there because the teams are off doing something else. This is still the R&D stage.
Thats kind of what i was alluding to. They are proper rapid when they focus one down none stop but so many things around the vehicles force them to take several breaks in the process.@@knowledgeisgood9645
More videos of this stuff of SpaceX?
Is there any news on whether Flight 3 lost attitude control in space? And therefore with the next ship rolled out already, will that potentially have the same system on board?
Yes it did, from what i recall that is both why the vehicle refused to attempt lighting the engine for a "deorbit" burn and obviously why it re entered in an uncontrolled fashion.
Out of the types of isses that come up in these flights they were probably like "easy fix, what else went wrong?" Its just that an "easy fix" problem in this game can still have 100% the consequence.
No news about IFT3 yet from SpaceX. All you might see is speculation. We will not have to wait that long for SpaceX' report.
they angle the lift off to avoid the tower, but if they angled the lift off toward the tower they would burn less kit surely? as long as they are physically clear the flames would just be aimed at concrete and not the chopsticks?
I think it is likely because of the trajectory of the rocket and not so much what happens to the pad.
Well they angle away from the tower exactly for that reason lol.
They do not want to spend another year or two replacing it because they trusted the vehicle during the first few flights.
Since both flight 2 and 3 were the first and second time they have ever gotten all 33 engines to light and stay lit, i think it is time to start going straight up as it should be and spare the OLM/QD..
Fingers crossed flight 4 is that time.
@@Vatsyayana87 good thinking. i don't know how (!) but the OLM really could be a less labour intensive design, if they want to throw two ships a day every day they can't spend weeks cleaning up.
This, Phoenix, Will be the best yet. Unfurl your feathers and fly.
Every day on this stuff?
Why gimbal the rocket so hard at lift-off? Saturn 5 did gimbal away from the tower but Starship should liftoff straight up, it clears the tower faster than Saturn 5 anyway… no problemo.
🥂🥂
Finally we can put IFT3 to rest and start focusing on IFT4 ! Yee Haw ! 🍺
is ship 29 the same as SN 29?
Yes.
SN, S or Ship is the Starship. B is the Booster.
SpaceX stopped using SN (serial number) after SN15 and has since called them S (ship) as @Vatsyayana said.
Already getting ready for a starship?
👀🤳💪👍
Rapid reusability! Not with this stage zero design.